For the guys who say LJ is being run into the ground...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I agree with you. The Chiefs are overworking him, and I felt strongly enough about it to write an article.

http://chiefs.scout.com/2/594480.html

Larry Can't Do Everything

It’s been a long week for Larry Johnson. The Chiefs ran 119 plays from scrimmage against the Raiders and Broncos. Johnson touched the ball on 55 percent of those plays.

Is that too much? The next closest player, other than quarterback Trent Green and center Casey Wiegmann, was Johnson’s backup, Michael Bennett, with nine touches.

You might have heard of the Randy Ratio. In Kansas City, the Chiefs have their own version: the LJ ratio.

Johnson has touched the ball on nearly 48 percent of the Chiefs’ offensive plays this year. That’s far and away the heaviest burden shouldered by any offensive player in the NFL this season.

For comparison’s sake, let's consider the percentages among other top running backs. San Diego’s LaDanian Tomlinson stands at about 41 percent, as does San Francisco’s Frank Gore and Minnesota’s Chester Taylor. New York’s Tiki Barber gets the ball about 38 percent of the time.

Is there really a need for the discrepancy between Johnson and these other running backs? With Bennett available on the sideline, absolutely not. The Chiefs are overworking Johnson.

After 34 carries against the Broncos, Johnson is now on pace for 410. That would tie the NFL single-season record set by Jamal Anderson in 1998.

Anderson was fantastic that year, running for 1,846 yards and leading the Falcons to the Super Bowl.

But he was never the same player after that record-setting season. He cranked out one final 1,000-yard effort in 2000, but blew out his knee in two of his last three seasons. He barely totaled 350 carries combined after 1998.

And it’s not just Anderson. The same thing happened to Eddie George after 403 carries for the Titans in 2000. Sure, George never had a serious injury, but his yards per carry permanently dipped below 3.5 after 2000.

Tampa Bay’s James Wilder had a fine 1985 season after carrying the ball 407 times in 1984. But after that season, it was all downhill. He never again sniffed 1,000 yards and missed time due to injury in every year until retirement.

Eric Dickerson is arguably the only exception among 400-carry running backs, but there’s more to this discussion than merely the 400 number.

Earl Campbell’s highest carry total in one season was 373. He burned bright, but extremely fast.

The same thing has happened to a number of running backs: Barry Foster, Terrell Davis, Jamal Lewis…take your pick.

There’s no need for the Chiefs to give Johnson this workload. People want to compare him to Jim Brown, but Brown was never forced to shoulder such an enormous amount of Cleveland’s offense.

Brown never even came close to 400 carries in a season. His largest total was 305 in 1961, and even though he played shorter seasons, if you extrapolate his largest per-game average (from 1959), it still only works out to 386 carries.

Brown, by the way, had his own capable backup running back who kept him fresh. Bobby Mitchell carried the ball at least 100 times in three of Brown’s nine seasons. Over the rest of Brown’s career, Cleveland had a stable of backups who replaced Mitchell.

Just because Johnson is another power back doesn’t mean he has to burn out like one. Jerome Bettis lasted 13 years in the NFL and never once carried the ball 400 times. The Steelers always had someone to share the load.

The Chiefs have that with Bennett. They need to start using him. There is no good reason to deny Bennett the seven percent of the touches that separate Johnson from Tomlinson, Gore and Taylor.

After the Denver game, head coach Herm Edwards said that Johnson was actually behind schedule in carries. That’s just insane. The Chiefs will be a better offense with a fresh Johnson late in the year, and hopefully, the playoffs.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I think Papa Johns pizza is the shiznit... extra cheese and fresh tomato...

Discuss

[bloodsunday]

Hey, in truth I'd love to have LJ on my team. Denver fans are wishing like hell right now we had a good #1 back.

We saw first hand what 400 carry seasons do to RBs (TD and Jamal Anderson). You don't just want him fresh late in the season, you want him for more than just 3 or 4 seasons over his career.

[Bronx33]

And KC can't afford to let off the pedal because their running game is pretty much their entire offensive output, if you shut down LJ the cheaps are toast. Now it appears herm is more than willing to burn out LJ for a shot at a ring but LJ is not getting any younger so why not.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And KC can't afford to let off the pedal because their running game is pretty much their entire offensive output, if you shut down LJ the cheaps are toast.

Did you read the article? There's no reason to give LJ this load. Michael Bennett is more than capable.

[Bronx33]

Did you read the article? There's no reason to give LJ this load. Michael Bennett is more than capable.


Did you read the end of my post?

Now it appears herm is more than willing to burn out LJ for a shot at a ring but LJ is not getting any younger so why not.

[Dudeskey]

I think Papa Johns pizza is the shiznit... extra cheese and fresh tomato...

Discuss

Rod told me to stick w/ the home team, so I ordered Black Jacks

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Did you read the end of my post?

Now it appears herm is more than willing to burn out LJ for a shot at a ring but LJ is not getting any younger so why not.

I did. That's not a good reason.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Rod told me to stick w/ the home team, so I ordered Black Jacks

Can you order online like Papa Johns? I love teh interweb....

[Spider]

I think Papa Johns pizza is the shiznit... extra cheese and fresh tomato...

Discuss

we still have God fathers here ........ that is the best .....

[Sodak]

I think Papa Johns pizza is the shiznit... extra cheese and fresh tomato...

Discuss


I had a Papa John's pizza at Mile High last weekend. That was the worst pizza I've ever had. I thought I was going to throw up in the pom-pon holder...

[Dudeskey]

"Can you order online like Papa Johns? I love teh interweb...."

Unfortunatley no, but I don't mind picking up a phone...

[Dr. Broncenstein]

we still have God fathers here ........ that is the best .....

Yeah, well... in Oklahoma the pizza choices aren't that great. The mexican food however, is another story. We've got a kick-ass little mom/pop place on every corner these days.

[Bronx33]

I did. That's not a good reason.

Guess one would have to ask herm why then, me and you can only speculate (is is a fatal mistake) by herm? probably. All i have to say is losing LJ due to injury vastly increases with this workload he is givin, Bennett IMO is good after a D is worn out not before and that's why LJ is the meat and potato RB.

[Spider]

Yeah, well... in Oklahoma the pizza choices aren't that great. The mexican food however, is another story. We've got a kick-ass little mom/pop place on every corner these days.

Man thats heaven there , there is a place outside of Guyman that has some kick ass mex food , cant remember the name but it is a yellow building ;D

[BigPlayShay]

we still have God fathers here ........ that is the best .....

Are you serious? I use to love that place. Don't they have something called the Taco Pizza?

[elsid13]

I don't have good delievery pizza place around here. It sucks, I like pizza

[Popps]

I think Papa Johns pizza is the shiznit... extra cheese and fresh tomato...

Discuss

Tough to get good pizza in LA. Dino's in Burbank is pretty good, though.

Papa John's isn't bad for a chain. Dominos is attempting to improve themselves with the "Brooklyn" style pizza. I tried it. Not horrible. Certainly an upgrade over what they had, but it's still Dominos.

Crust and sauce... screw those up, and forget about it. Both have to be right.

[azbroncfan]

I think Papa Johns pizza is the shiznit... extra cheese and fresh tomato...

Discuss

The ice cream with the cookie dough is pretty good?

[Florida_Bronco]

The same thing has happened to a number of running backs: Barry Foster, Terrell Davis, Jamal Lewis…take your pick.

Terrell Davis's production didn't drop because he was run into the ground. It dropped because of his blown out knee and degenerative knee condition.

[Spider]

Are you serious? I use to love that place. Don't they have something called the Taco Pizza?

man that stuff is good ..... `we go to godfathers alot ...... Place is packed in the evening , and God Fathers delievers ........

[Bronx33]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm pizza.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

The ice cream with the cookie dough is pretty good?

Three words: Mint. Chocolate. Chip.

[Broncoman13]

I think Papa Johns pizza is the shiznit... extra cheese and fresh tomato...

Discuss


I love Papa Johns Pizza! We used to always order in Houston. Since we've moved to Amarillo we usually go for LaBella's. I can get two large (14") pizzas with two toppings for $12! Or, I can stop by when I grab a movie (next door to the local Blockbuster) and get a X-Large (16") for $5.99, take out only though. It's not quite as good as PJs and they don't have the awesome chicken bytes, but it's good and well priced!

[Spider]

Tough to get good pizza in LA. Dino's in Burbank is pretty good, though.

Papa John's isn't bad for a chain. Dominos is attempting to improve themselves with the "Brooklyn" style pizza. I tried it. Not horrible. Certainly an upgrade over what they had, but it's still Dominos.

Crust and sauce... screw those up, and forget about it. Both have to be right.

Agreed ruin a pizzia with cardboard crust and runny sauce ........

[Broncoman13]

Terrell Davis's production didn't drop because he was run into the ground. It dropped because of his blown out knee and degenerative knee condition.


Don't feed the trolls!

[Bronx33]

Wazees white pizza rocks!

[Spider]

we have a Papa Murphys here also .... Pizzia you take home to bake , those are pretty good also

[Dudeskey]

This thread is making me hungry

[Spider]

This thread is making me hungry

me too , but I dont dare tell the wife , she will shove more turkey at me ;D

[Dr. Broncenstein]

we have a Papa Murphys here also .... Pizzia you take home to bake , those are pretty good also

That's like the worst of both worlds... go get the pizza, and cook it yerself?

[Broncoman13]

The Mexican Food Chain in these parts is probably On the Border. Pretty good, but pricey. Love the Empenadas!!!

In Panama City we had a place that was great, (can't remember the name of it) but we used to hit it atleast twice a month. AWESOME! It was something like La Fiesta... I know that's not it though.

There's a hole in the ground here in Amarillo. They make tortillas and for lunch will throw together a burrito or taco. Green Chili burritos from Lupy's in Ama are damn good!

[Spider]

That's like the worst of both worlds... go get the pizza, and cook it yerself?

yeah but you tell them how you want your Pizzia topped ,from the sauce all the way up to your 7 th layer of cheese ;D
not as good as Godfathers but it will do

[Broncoman13]

That's like the worst of both worlds... go get the pizza, and cook it yerself?


LMAO!!! I bet you can't even select your toppings online either!

[Spider]

The Mexican Food Chain in these parts is probably On the Border. Pretty good, but pricey. Love the Empenadas!!!

In Panama City we had a place that was great, (can't remember the name of it) but we used to hit it atleast twice a month. AWESOME! It was something like La Fiesta... I know that's not it though.

There's a hole in the ground here in Amarillo. They make tortillas and for lunch will throw together a burrito or taco. Green Chili burritos from Lupy's in Ama are damn good!

I dont eat in Amarillo much .. the Hungry Texan is about the only place I realy know outside of a truck stop

[Dr. Broncenstein]

The Mexican Food Chain in these parts is probably On the Border. Pretty good, but pricey. Love the Empenadas!!!

In Panama City we had a place that was great, (can't remember the name of it) but we used to hit it atleast twice a month. AWESOME! It was something like La Fiesta... I know that's not it though.

There's a hole in the ground here in Amarillo. They make tortillas and for lunch will throw together a burrito or taco. Green Chili burritos from Lupy's in Ama are damn good!

I like the little family joints... but they just built a Los Cabos right down the street. Tasty eats right there.....

[Bronx33]

I like the little family joints... but they just built a Los Cabos right down the street. Tasty eats right there.....


I agree, i had a anthonys pizza down the street from my old house that was really good.

[Sodak]

The Dr. is right. You guys should really forgoe the franchise pizza joints and try to find a locally owned pizza restaurant. The quality will undoubtedly be much, much better than the value menu crap they push with the chain stores. I thought I didn't even like pizza until I discovered a local place that really puts effort into food quality instead of making cheap, crappy food...

[Circle Orange]

Sardine and chocolate chip pizzas = the bomb

[Sodak]

If cheap food is your bag you're much better off with a can of dog food.

[Spider]

what kind of Dogfood ? ;D

[Kaylore]

I just found out Little Caesar is still in Colorado. They closed all the ones in south Denver, but since I didn't see them I figured they had left Colorado. It wasn't the best pizza but it was cheap.

[spdirty]

I agree, i had a anthonys pizza down the street from my old house that was really good.

Oh man...Like every military base had Anthony's. I wish we had one here. Get 2 slices of pepperoni, then cover it with parmesan and that spicy stuff. Oh man that's good. Always got the hiccups afterwards though.

Wish we had an Anthony's around here.

[spdirty]

I just found out Little Caesar is still in Colorado. They closed all the ones in south Denver, but since I didn't see them I figured they had left Colorado. It wasn't the best pizza but it was cheap.

Yeah, the crazy bread is great too. 5 dollar pizzas baby!

There's one on Federal right by Bowles in that King Soopers shopping center that I always go to.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I agree with you. The Chiefs are overworking him, and I felt strongly enough about it to write an article.

http://chiefs.scout.com/2/594480.html

Larry Can't Do Everything

It’s been a long week for Larry Johnson. The Chiefs ran 119 plays from scrimmage against the Raiders and Broncos. Johnson touched the ball on 55 percent of those plays.

Is that too much? The next closest player, other than quarterback Trent Green and center Casey Wiegmann, was Johnson’s backup, Michael Bennett, with nine touches.

You might have heard of the Randy Ratio. In Kansas City, the Chiefs have their own version: the LJ ratio.

Johnson has touched the ball on nearly 48 percent of the Chiefs’ offensive plays this year. That’s far and away the heaviest burden shouldered by any offensive player in the NFL this season.

For comparison’s sake, let's consider the percentages among other top running backs. San Diego’s LaDanian Tomlinson stands at about 41 percent, as does San Francisco’s Frank Gore and Minnesota’s Chester Taylor. New York’s Tiki Barber gets the ball about 38 percent of the time.

Is there really a need for the discrepancy between Johnson and these other running backs? With Bennett available on the sideline, absolutely not. The Chiefs are overworking Johnson.

After 34 carries against the Broncos, Johnson is now on pace for 410. That would tie the NFL single-season record set by Jamal Anderson in 1998.

Anderson was fantastic that year, running for 1,846 yards and leading the Falcons to the Super Bowl.

But he was never the same player after that record-setting season. He cranked out one final 1,000-yard effort in 2000, but blew out his knee in two of his last three seasons. He barely totaled 350 carries combined after 1998.

And it’s not just Anderson. The same thing happened to Eddie George after 403 carries for the Titans in 2000. Sure, George never had a serious injury, but his yards per carry permanently dipped below 3.5 after 2000.
Cool. Guess you better think about drafting another RB next year then.

[spdirty]

Cool. Guess you better think about drafting another RB next year then.

Dude please! Ignore the title and first post. This is a pizza discussion thread.

[Spider]

Yeah, the crazy bread is great too. 5 dollar pizzas baby!

There's one on Federal right by Bowles in that King Soopers shopping center that I always go to.

I used to live off of 92 nd and Federal , drove for DIX back then great job , i regret quitting it

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Dude please! Ignore the title and first post. This is a pizza discussion thread.

and mexican food... and ice cream

[footstepsfrom#27]

Dude please! Ignore the title and first post. This is a pizza discussion thread.
My bad...I like sausage/double mushroom/black olives and a Corono w/lime. Mmmm...good.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

My bad...I like sausage/double mushroom/black olives and a Corono w/lime. Mmmm...good.

Don't. Fruit. The. Beer.

[Bronx33]

My bad...I like sausage/double mushroom/black olives and a Corono w/lime. Mmmm...good.


If i didn't have so much f**** leftover turkey i would order that very pizza but add some jalapenos.

[spdirty]

I used to live off of 92 nd and Federal , drove for DIX back then great job , i regret quitting it

So why did you move to Wyo? Job opportunity you couldnt pass up?

[Spider]

Don't. Fruit. The. Beer.

but it prevents scurvey ;D

[Spider]

So why did you move to Wyo? Job opportunity you couldnt pass up?

no , just too many people , way too much crime , remember when the Kid Geromino Mestas was killed for his Bronco coat ? My Kids wasnt going to be raised in that ........ I wanted a place where my kids could grow up , be happy and presue a future ...... if i didnt have a family I probably would still be in Denver / Greeley

[spdirty]

no , just too many people , way too much crime , remember when the Kid Geromino Mestas was killed for his Bronco coat ? My Kids wasnt going to be raised in that ........ I wanted a place where my kids could grow up , be happy and presue a future ...... if i didnt have a family I probably would still be in Denver / Greeley

So you moved to a Red state.LOL

Thats cool. I totally understand. Moving my kids out of Denver and up to Evergreen come March/April for the very reason youve stated.

[2KBack]

Terrell Davis's production didn't drop because he was run into the ground. It dropped because of his blown out knee and degenerative knee condition.


There may be a lot of reasons behind it, but the truth of the matter is, TD had 500 touches (couting postseason) in 1998, and was averaging 3 yards per carry before his injury in 1999. The reason may be debatable but there is a correlation.

[Spider]

So you moved to a Red state.LOL

Thats cool. I totally understand. Moving my kids out of Denver and up to Evergreen come March/April for the very reason youve stated.

nice country there .............. yeah Wyoming is a red state , but a guy with my skills can make a fortune here ;D didnt plan on having so many kids though

[Florida_Bronco]

I wish we had Goodrich Ice Cream down here in Florida. We had them up in Omaha and I loved to go there.

[penguintheory]

Nico's: California Burrito.