Who's the leaker? [Archive] - The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community

Natedogg

11-25-2006, 06:05 PM

Jake Plummer, left, and Jay Cutler warm up on the sideline before the Broncos-Chiefs game at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, Mo., on Thanksgiving night. (Post / Hyoung Chang)Heading into his coaching-staff meeting today, Mike Shanahan is planning to make Jay Cutler the Broncos' starting quarterback for the Sunday, Dec. 3 game against Seattle, sources close to the situation confirmed.

Who's the leaker? Speculate. I agree with TJ that whoever leaked the info to Schefter last week really screwed over the team.

My guess is Hermdinger. 100% guess.

orinjkrush

11-25-2006, 06:41 PM

bet it was an "official" leaker. My town is full of 'em.

Crushaholic

11-25-2006, 06:44 PM

Does taking a leak count?:ouwknow:

Garcia Bronco

11-25-2006, 06:51 PM

I bet there wasn't leaker at all. It's an obvious conclusion.

Natedogg

11-25-2006, 07:05 PM

I bet there wasn't leaker at all. It's an obvious conclusion.

I think before the thanksgiving game there was a leaker. And when Mort reported it before the Pittsburg game there was probably a leak as well.

I dont think Shef and Mort just come to conclusions and tack on "sources in Dove Vally confirmed."

This isnt jetstv we're talking about.

Clockwork Orange

11-25-2006, 07:10 PM

This isnt jetstv we're talking about.

How dare you mock the credibility of jetstv. :laugh:

watermock

11-25-2006, 07:12 PM

My dead lighter leaked it.

Mile High Mojoe

11-25-2006, 07:19 PM

Jake Plummer, left, and Jay Cutler warm up on the sideline before the Broncos-Chiefs game at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, Mo., on Thanksgiving night. (Post / Hyoung Chang)Heading into his coaching-staff meeting today, Mike Shanahan is planning to make Jay Cutler the Broncos' starting quarterback for the Sunday, Dec. 3 game against Seattle, sources close to the situation confirmed.

Who's the leaker? Speculate. I agree with TJ that whoever leaked the info to Schleffer last week really screwed over the team.

My guess is Hermdinger. 100% guess.

Who cares who leaked it? I'm just glad it was leaked, we can get off Jake and get on board with Jay.

Mile High Mojoe

11-25-2006, 07:19 PM

Jake Plummer, left, and Jay Cutler warm up on the sideline before the Broncos-Chiefs game at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, Mo., on Thanksgiving night. (Post / Hyoung Chang)Heading into his coaching-staff meeting today, Mike Shanahan is planning to make Jay Cutler the Broncos' starting quarterback for the Sunday, Dec. 3 game against Seattle, sources close to the situation confirmed.

Who's the leaker? Speculate. I agree with TJ that whoever leaked the info to Schleffer last week really screwed over the team.

My guess is Hermdinger. 100% guess.

Who cares who leaked it? I'm just glad it was leaked, we can get off Jake and get on board with Jay.

Natedogg

11-25-2006, 07:22 PM

Who cares who leaked it? I'm just glad it was leaked, we get off Jake and get on board with Jay.

Well, I care. I think its an intersting Broncos topic with ramifications. That's why I started a thread on a Denver Broncos discussion board. If you don't care, then dont click the link and stay in your "OMG jake fkn blozzzzzz!!!!!!!! STart JAY now jeez!" threads.

Plus I love hearing about Moc's lighter.

Kaylore

11-25-2006, 07:35 PM

I'm 99.9% sure it was someone high up in the coaching staff.

Natedogg

11-25-2006, 07:39 PM

I'm 99.9% sure it was someone high up in the coaching staff.

Do you think it was premiditated or a slip of the tounge?

elsid13

11-25-2006, 07:41 PM

I'm 99.9% sure it was someone high up in the coaching staff.

Well we can narrow it down:

1. It on the offensive side of the staff,
2. it someone who been around long enough in Denver, to have decent ties to the local media and knows the restaurant critic, from his time around here.
3. He in Shanahan's inner circle.
4. He feels comfortable enough that he knows that his job won't be lost. or he easily get another one.
5. He knows how Plummer is grading out after the game films are reviewed.

Natedogg

11-25-2006, 07:43 PM

Well we can narrow it down:

1. It on the offensive side of the staff,
2. it someone who been around long enough in Denver, to have decent ties to the local media and knows the restaurant critic, from his time around here.
3. He in Shanahan's inner circle.
4. He feels comfortable enough that he knows that his job won't be lost. or he easily get another one.
5. He knows how Plummer is grading out after the game films are reviewed.

Mcphearson or Dennison?

smalltowngrll

11-25-2006, 07:45 PM

Until it's confirmed by the Broncos organization...it's just a rumor.

watermock

11-25-2006, 07:45 PM

Shanahan

Kaylore

11-25-2006, 07:46 PM

elsid13

11-25-2006, 07:48 PM

Mcphearson or Dennison?

Personally and this is pure speculation at this point, and is NOT base upon any knowledge, and I'm not slandering him: it is Dennison. He has the most to lose with Plummer failing it directly affects his opportunity to move up in the ranks to head coaching job or real OC position. One can see why he would willing to force a change at this point.

ludo21

11-25-2006, 07:48 PM

Shanahan was the leaker.

in the kitchen with the bitter knife.

Kaylore

11-25-2006, 07:52 PM

Personally and this is pure speculation at this point, and is NOT base upon any knowledge, and I'm not slandering him: it is Dennison. He has the most to lose with Plummer failing it directly affects his opportunity to move up in the ranks to head coaching job or real OC position. One can see why he would willing to force a change at this point.

Perhaps, but let's consider that. Dennison mostly controls the rushing game, which has been pretty good considering all the woes at the position. He seems to be pretty comfortable. But what about the other guy...

Natedogg

11-25-2006, 07:54 PM

Didn't Mcphearson break down every single play from 2004 with jake? Perhaps he's just tired.

OrangeShadow

11-25-2006, 07:56 PM

Who's the leaker? Speculate. I agree with TJ that whoever leaked the info to Schleffer last week really screwed over the team.

My guess is Hermdinger. 100% guess.

who listens or talks to a rookie backup tight end?

Atwater

11-25-2006, 07:56 PM

Does taking a leak count?:ouwknow:

LOL LOL Good one.

Hogan11

11-25-2006, 07:58 PM

Until it's confirmed by the Broncos organization...it's just a rumor.

Hey, quit bringing down the board with doses of reality...nobody wants to hear that. :nono:

Arkansas Bronco

11-25-2006, 09:11 PM

Dont know but it sounds like a serious prostate problem. We may need to get that checked out.

anthonypacino

11-26-2006, 12:36 AM

Doesnt matter who, it was a motavation tool for Jake. It didnt work. Otherwise Shanny would have just came out and said Jay's in

baja

11-26-2006, 12:42 AM

I'm 99.9% sure it was someone high up in the coaching staff.

I'm 99.9 % sure you, like the rest, of us have no clue.

Kaylore

11-26-2006, 01:26 AM

I'm 99.9 % sure you, like the rest, of us have no clue.

And I'm 100% sure that you're wrong and more than a handful of people here have a few sources of our own. :welcome:

Guessed

11-26-2006, 01:34 AM

69bronco

11-26-2006, 04:30 AM

who listens or talks to a rookie backup tight end?

He put Shefter as in Adam Shefter. The NFL journalist.

OrangeShadow

11-26-2006, 06:13 AM

He put Shefter as in Adam Shefter. The NFL journalist.

I knew what he meant i quoted him before he fixed it, i was poking fun at him

NYBronco

11-26-2006, 10:05 AM

The "leak" started when the Broncos lost in the AFC Championship last year and became more visible when Cutler was taken at the #11 pick. It was up to Plummer to perform in a manner that would benefit his career beyond the 2006 season.

Beantown Bronco

11-26-2006, 10:41 AM

Perhaps, but let's consider that. Dennison mostly controls the rushing game, which has been pretty good considering all the woes at the position. He seems to be pretty comfortable. But what about the other guy...

I usually agree with your takes, but I can't here. Dennison sucked as a special teams coach and sucks now if he indeed is the one controlling the rushing game. Seriously, this is the worst running team denver has fielded since before TD got here.....and they've dealt with more "woes" in the past (injuries, etc) than this season and were productive in the past, regardless.

Lack of talent never affected the running game before Dennison swithed gears. Something is wrong with the running game this season and it just may be coaching.

Barry Ramey

11-26-2006, 11:16 AM

I believe Dennison has nude photos of someone to keep a job on the staff for this long. I can't believe he's the best o-line coach, a former LB, they could get for this team.

Hercules Rockefeller

11-26-2006, 11:20 AM

I like Schefter and I think he's right on in most cases but I think he made an educated guess on the Cutler starting against Seattle "scoop." I mean really, chances are that Jake wasn't going to have an all world game in KC and with 10 days before the next game and the playoff position slipping out of grasp, it seems likely. If Jake had a good game, well, "they changed their mind based on Jake's performance."

A national guy like that isn't going to make something up like that. He's also too close to the team to not know what's going on, it's not like someone isn't telling him what's going on one way or the other.

elsid13

11-26-2006, 11:22 AM

I believe Dennison has nude photos of someone to keep a job on the staff for this long. I can't believe he's the best o-line coach, a former LB, they could get for this team.

He is well respected by both Shanahan and Kubicek. He has his current title because Shanahan didn't want to lose him to the Texans. I do think that he has let his duty as line coach slide, I can not image Alex Gibbs not riding Foster until he was at the top of his game. In fact I think Fosters needs to lose 30 pounds, and a lot of problems would go away.

Natedogg

11-26-2006, 12:35 PM

Even when Dennison was our Super Bowl special teams coach, I was never too impressed with him. I would give just about anything to get Alex Gibbs back. I'd take Tony Jones and Gary Zimmerman back as well.

bloodsunday

11-26-2006, 01:10 PM

Shanahan is the leaker. Stuff he doesn't want to get out, simply doesn't.

The person Schefter and/or Mort actually talked to? Probably some PR person or scouting personnel.

Circle Orange

11-26-2006, 01:31 PM

Who? Guess...

Natedogg

11-26-2006, 01:36 PM

Shanahan is the leaker. Stuff he doesn't want to get out, simply doesn't.

The person Schefter and/or Mort actually talked to? Probably some PR person or scouting personnel.

I just can't believe Shanny would leak that before the thanksginving game with the chiefs! It obiously hurt the team. If it was on purpose, it was an incredibally horrible idea. I just can't see him miscalculating that horribly.

I just can't buy it. I think some loose lips just sunk the ship. (For one week, at least)

TheDave

11-26-2006, 01:54 PM

And I'm 100% sure that you're wrong and more than a handful of people here have a few sources of our own. :welcome:

Just what we need, the birth of another OM "insider"....

Kaylore

11-26-2006, 01:56 PM

I usually agree with your takes, but I can't here. Dennison sucked as a special teams coach and sucks now if he indeed is the one controlling the rushing game. Seriously, this is the worst running team denver has fielded since before TD got here.....and they've dealt with more "woes" in the past (injuries, etc) than this season and were productive in the past, regardless.

Lack of talent never affected the running game before Dennison swithed gears. Something is wrong with the running game this season and it just may be coaching.

We're the number 7 rushing offense in the NFL with both tackles hurt and no starting running back. If you think those things are Dennison's fault, then you need to get a clue.

Kaylore

11-26-2006, 01:58 PM

Just what we need, the birth of another OM "insider"....

Why is this so hard for people to believe? There are people who are close to and members of the organization that post here. I've met and talked with some of them. There are more that I don't even know about and others do. I don't understand why people think we would make this stuff up.

Bronx33

11-26-2006, 01:59 PM

TheDave

11-26-2006, 02:01 PM

Why is this so hard for people to believe? There are people who are close to and members of the organization that post here. I've met and talked with some of them. There are more that I don't even know about and others do. I don't understand why people think we would make this stuff up.

I have no problem believing you talk to people... what i will have a problem with is you believing that your "guesses" will be any more accurate than the rest of ours... Especially when you start to back up your guesses with the phrase "I have a source"

Kaylore

11-26-2006, 02:14 PM

I have no problem believing you talk to people... what i will have a problem with is you believing that your "guesses" will be any more accurate than the rest of ours... Especially when you start to back up your guesses with the phrase "I have a source"

So you'd prefer I not ask him and just make crap up, or is it you just don't want me to mention he's there so it looks I'm a genius guesser?

TheDave

11-26-2006, 02:20 PM

So you'd prefer I not ask him and just make crap up, or is it you just don't want me to mention he's there so it looks I'm a genius guesser?

Actually i couldn't care less what you do... Guess away.

Bronx33

11-26-2006, 02:23 PM

So we can admit this post was a waste of time....

Just what we need, the birth of another OM "insider"....

TheDave

11-26-2006, 02:25 PM

So we can admit this post was a waste of time....

Just what we need, the birth of another OM "insider"....

According to my source... Yes it was ;D

Spider

11-26-2006, 02:29 PM

Idont leak , but I got a man diaper on just in case ;D

gunns

11-26-2006, 02:30 PM

Personally and this is pure speculation at this point, and is NOT base upon any knowledge, and I'm not slandering him: it is Dennison. He has the most to lose with Plummer failing it directly affects his opportunity to move up in the ranks to head coaching job or real OC position. One can see why he would willing to force a change at this point.

Oh hell no. If Bowlen ever even considered Dennison as head coach it would rank up there with drafting Maddox. I think he was a lousy special teams coach, is a lousy offensive line coach. In fact I would love to see them bring in someone else as line coach. Cut ties with this guy.

theAPAOps5

11-26-2006, 02:32 PM

I want them to make a run to get Alex Gibbs back. Work with some of the new guys waiting in wings.

DBroncos4life

11-26-2006, 02:32 PM

I talked to my source and he said it was in fact not me that leaked the story so Im in the clear.

TheDave

11-26-2006, 02:36 PM

I want them to make a run to get Alex Gibbs back. Work with some of the new guys waiting in wings.

After firing his kid at mid-season I have a feeling that relationship is shot

AFCWestFan

11-26-2006, 02:38 PM

Anyone who thinks it was not leaked with Shannys full awareness and approval should line up on the left for the free land program southeast of Miami.

Beantown Bronco

11-26-2006, 02:38 PM

We're the number 7 rushing offense in the NFL with both tackles hurt and no starting running back. If you think those things are Dennison's fault, then you need to get a clue.

Nice spin, but both tackles were healthy for the majority of the season to this point. And who exactly are you calling the starting RT? Lateral talent at best there.

And you say "no starting running back"? Is the talent not there or is the coaching not good enough to stick with one guy and game plan around him to get the job done? Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson and Reuben Droughns are not true starters in this league (and aren't any better than the guys on the current Broncos roster), yet they got it done in Denver much more so than the current Broncos RBs are this season.

#7 in the league is extremely misleading. They have been extremely inconsistent and have padded their numbers in just a few games, while getting shut down in several when it really counts. Anyone who has watched the games this year can tell the running game isn't what is has been in recent years.

TheDave

11-26-2006, 02:43 PM

Anyone who thinks it was not leaked with Shannys full awareness and approval should line up on the left for the free land program southeast of Miami.

Because it came from Schefter, I assume it was Shanahan himself. Which is why i consider this so mind numbing. What did he think was going to happen when he neutered his starting Qb less than 24 hours before such a big game...

Kaylore

11-26-2006, 03:20 PM

Nice spin, but both tackles were healthy for the majority of the season to this point. And who exactly are you calling the starting RT? Lateral talent at best there.

And you say "no starting running back"? Is the talent not there or is the coaching not good enough to stick with one guy and game plan around him to get the job done? Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson and Reuben Droughns are not true starters in this league (and aren't any better than the guys on the current Broncos roster), yet they got it done in Denver much more so than the current Broncos RBs are this season.

#7 in the league is extremely misleading. They have been extremely inconsistent and have padded their numbers in just a few games, while getting shut down in several when it really counts. Anyone who has watched the games this year can tell the running game isn't what is has been in recent years.
First of all, all those years we were good you mentioned Dennison was running the offensive line and largely in charge of the run game as a whole.

Foster is below average and Meadows is much much better. Tatum has starter potential but he can't stay healthy and the rest are too raw or just not good enough.

We were third in the league before the Colts game. Tatum led all AFC west running backs before he got hurt. And I would take Olandis Gary, Portis, and Anderson over all three guys we have right now in a second. If Tatum could stay healthy he could be a great running back but he can't.

2KBack

11-26-2006, 03:28 PM

Nice spin, but both tackles were healthy for the majority of the season to this point. And who exactly are you calling the starting RT? Lateral talent at best there.

And you say "no starting running back"? Is the talent not there or is the coaching not good enough to stick with one guy and game plan around him to get the job done? Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson and Reuben Droughns are not true starters in this league (and aren't any better than the guys on the current Broncos roster), yet they got it done in Denver much more so than the current Broncos RBs are this season.

#7 in the league is extremely misleading. They have been extremely inconsistent and have padded their numbers in just a few games, while getting shut down in several when it really counts. Anyone who has watched the games this year can tell the running game isn't what is has been in recent years.

I disagree with the list of guys that Aren't true starters. Olandis never did crap, but was often injured. Droughns became the first 1k yard back in like 20 years in Cleveland, and as pretty much the primary option. MA is on the decline, but doesn't get much of a shot in Baltimore, he has like a 6ypc average when he gets the odd carry. MA is a better back than what we have right now on pure consistancy, and thats the difference bewteen last year and this year.

Jana®

11-26-2006, 04:23 PM

I say blame it on the towel boy :D

Mile High Shack

11-26-2006, 04:38 PM

it was Kaylore

Shanny bought some jewlery from him and told him

watermock

11-26-2006, 04:58 PM

OK...I confess...I secretly work for "Unit X".

People would be VERY surprised what players, coaches, and media figures lurk around here. If they want to find the REAL pulse of the fans, they come here, not the official site IMO. That's the kiddie pool. Whenever I go there, which has been so rare it's not even in a moon cycle...I can't stand it.

It's sink or swim in the deep end of the pool here. I can't begin to count the number of thin skinned that have come here only to run away scared. It's comical. As Jimmay would say..."What a great audience"..."Timmay!"

Mort said that it was confirmed that Jay will start against Seattle (barring an assasination attempt by Jake), so it's moot anyway. I have inside information that Jake is on suicide watch too.

What do you want to bet South Park will have something on the impending Jay era?

We were patient with Jake for 3.5 years and he was a vet when he got here. He was a stopgap, nothing less, nothing more. If not for ONE outstanding game this year, he wouldn't even be on the map in rankings. I hope we can give Jay at least this last third of the season after we put up with Jake for 7 times that.

There weren't alot of options when SOB was drummed out of town. Jake was considered the best available, but there was a reason he was let go after his contract expired. What were we supposed to do? Sign Brunell (gone) Kordella (Gone) or Jeff George?

I hold no ill will towards Jake...I liked him honestly, he was just terribly inconsistent. People need to understand that we didn't exactly help Jake with any dominant players till Javon.

Natedogg

11-26-2006, 05:22 PM

Well, I've been thinking about this since the leak to Mort before the Pittsburgh game. Here are some thoughts:

I don't think the leak to Shefter before the KC game or was from or authorised by Shanny. Makes no sense flat out. The leak to Mort weeks ago: who knows? This morning's leak to the Denver Post (who reported having "sources" first) was probably from the mastermind's mouth. These reporters did not just "come to the obvious conclusion on their own," an idea like that is just silly.

Now, assuming an official other than Shanahan made the Shefter leak, we can assume some of the following things: (others have mentioned them in this thread) he had access to offensive planning, watched the film, and was close enough to Shannahan to know what decision he was going to make. I think this narrows it down to:

Shanny
Hermdinger
Mcphearson
Dennison
Jay and
Jake

Possibly: Bobby Turner, Jeremy Bates, or Steve Watson.

If someone thinks I'm missing someone, let me know. My hunch (pure speculation) is Hermdinger, maybe accidental, is the leak.

It is seems to me that this scheme is Cutler's scheme. Lots of pocket passes. And quick routes that, frankly, it is now quite clear Jake doesn't have the armstrenght to throw. My hunch is that he, being the new coordinator in town, was getting tired of people saying he sucked, was worse than Kubes, etc., and let slip, "hey just wait till Rocket Man is throwing the rock, perhaps at such and such a time." Why he would hurt the team? Absolutly no idea. Maybe a slip of the tongue? If so, the wiley Shefter made the team pay for it.

Cacophony? Maybe. But hey that's why I love the Mane. The mainstream media is certainly not talking about this aspect of the Broncos. Thanks to the Internet, fan's can. Speculating is fun.

A few more things: Klis broke this story for the record, not Burger Bill. Hermdinger likely has good national media contacts from his time in NY. And he also likely has good local ones, since his time as WR coach during the glory days here.