Post: Cutler gets the nod . . .

[Cito Pelon]

broncos
Cutler gets the call
Sources: Shanahan plans to start rookie at QB
By Mike Klis
Denver Post Staff Writer
Article Last Updated:11/25/2006 03:33:43 PM MST


Jake Plummer, left, and Jay Cutler warm up on the sideline before the Broncos-Chiefs game at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, Mo., on Thanksgiving night. (Post / Hyoung Chang)Heading into his coaching-staff meeting today, Mike Shanahan is planning to make Jay Cutler the Broncos' starting quarterback for the Sunday, Dec. 3 game against Seattle, sources close to the situation confirmed.

Cutler, a rookie from Vanderbilt, will replace veteran Jake Plummer, who had started the Broncos' previous 46 games, including playoffs, dating back to the 2003 season.

The immediate reasons for making the switch are hardly complicated. Despite a 7-4 overall record, the Broncos are coming off arguably their worst all-around performance this season, a 19-10 loss Thursday at Kansas City, and appear in need of a jolt after losing two in a row for the first time in two years.

The extra time to mentally regroup and prepare for the defending NFC-champion Seahawks before a nationally televised audience at home further convinced Shanahan the timing is right to end one era and begin another, according to sources.

As of today, no players had been informed of a change, most notably Plummer and Cutler, who could not be reached for comment. The players are off until they have to report back to practice on Monday.

Although starting a rookie quarterback so late in a season as the playoff race intensifies carries uncertainty and risk, the Broncos don't necessarily need Cutler to duplicate the fast starts of Dan Marino or Ben Roethlisberger. The only immediate expectation on Cutler is to outperform Plummer.

Entering games Sunday, Plummer is ranked 29th among NFL quarterbacks with a 70.5 rating. He had thrown 12 interceptions against 11 touchdown passes, and has a relatively meager 6.33 yards per pass attempt.

The plan is to make the change permanent. Plummer is expected to finish out the season as a No. 2 quarterback for the first time in his 10-year NFL career.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

It finally happened. Good luck Jay, thanks Jake for all you've done up to this point.

[FloridaResident]

time to celebrate my fellow broncos fans

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[elsid13]

well that it, the cutler experiment/era is now starting. Kid just needs to move the chains on those 3 and 5 to 6 yard situations.

[Jens1893]

Let´s hope he shows what he´s got. Good luck, kid. You´re gonna need it in this town.

[orinjkrush]

Thanks Jake. You took us out of the Brian Griese zone and made us respectable again.

And, it might even turn out that if Cutler gets hurt, then....

[CBF1]

Let the pidgeons loose and the champagne flow.

Can't wait for our next game now.

[Cito Pelon]

I'm glad he did it fast. The longer he waited, even until Monday, was unfair to Jake.

[Dudeskey]

If this is true, we as fans had better be patient w/ the kid.

Edit: And one more thing... don't be expecting a playoff run out of Cutler because if you are, you're expecting way too much from him. Best to consider our season over and look forward to the draft & '07

[2KBack]

I don't know if celebrating is what It makes me feel like. This is not the path I would have preferred the team taking. I think it's time to make the change, but I still would have preferred Jake having another good year over the turmoil of this season.

This is bittersweet at best

[footstepsfrom#27]

So what do we talk about now? ;D

[Dr. Broncenstein]

WOOT!!! I'm going to be there in person to see Cutler's first start!!!!

I wish the circumstances were different... and I wish Jake could have gone out a winner. This is a move of desperation, but I think the kid has been given enough time to at least be able to manage the game. The season is over with the team as is. Either Jay provides the needed spark for the offense... or he at least gets game experience for next year. Either way, its the right move at the right time.

[Hotwheelz]

Bright side: High draft pick.

Good luck kid.:egbgb:

[2KBack]

So what do we talk about now? ;D

seriously, this board is going to start liking each other again, where's the fun in that?

[NFLBRONCO]

I expect Cutler to show flashes and also sputter. It is great we are getting him game action this year. I don't expect much this year but, it will be exciting to see what happens. I think alot will expect him to play like Big Ben right off if he doesn't fans will scream. He needs a few years and nobody should call him a bust because he plays like Plummer. Cutler will be a great qb IN TIME.

[Pezman]

And so it begins! My expectations will be really high of course, but at least we've finally made the long-awaited transition. Its a shame that it didnt come sooner. Good luck Jay!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I'm glad this is a national game. I really want to see Cutler.

[Natedogg]

I'll eat my crow. I supported Plummer. After the Chiefs game I stopped supporting him. Lots of posters here, TJ and Kaylore in particular, were right all along.

I'm excited.

[TheDave]

How long before the first idiot calls jay a bust?

[DeusExManning]

If this is true, we as fans had better be patient w/ the kid.

Edit: And one more thing... don't be expecting a playoff run out of Cutler because if you are, you're expecting way too much from him. Best to consider our season over and look forward to the draft & '07

STFU. Seriously the season is not over, Cutler could be the first ever rookie to win it all. Jake gave him a 7-4 record as a head start. Teams will have to adjust. Shanahan's playbook will be opened up!!!

[Popps]

WOOT!!! I'm going to be there in person to see Cutler's first start!!!!

I wish the circumstances were different... and I wish Jake could have gone out a winner. This is a move of desperation, but I think the kid has been given enough time to at least be able to manage the game. The season is over with the team as is. Either Jay provides the needed spark for the offense... or he at least gets game experience for next year. Either way, its the right move at the right time.

Good take on the situation, and you're a lucky mofo to be able to see the kid's first game. I have a feeling he's going to go off.

I think Seattle is ripe for the picking, too. That franchise is in a weird place de to injuries, etc.

[elsid13]

seriously, this board is going to start liking each other again, where's the fun in that?

come are you ready for the great debate about which is more likely to get burned faster Foxworth and Dwill. Or how the heck the ST play isn't Cutler fault??? Or why did we overpay for Ian Gold, and is Lynch done??? Why Warren really is POS.

And how long do we have before the world end if bobo get live female action??? or does it prove that the Satan exists because Bobo must of sold his soul???

[The Mole]

Jay is a bust!

http://www.wearethepostmen.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/mariotti.jpg

Quid Pro Quo

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

6ix for 6ix time, bitches.

[TheDave]

Jay is a bust!

http://www.wearethepostmen.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/mariotti.jpg

Quid Pro Quo


Besides the mole...ROFL!

[Popps]

How long before the first idiot calls jay a bust?

We've already seen the back-patting threads about Cutler starting, as if anyone here had anything to do with that... and as if anyone didn't know he was a talented kid destined to take over at some point.

The next death/taxes type thing to happen is the "Bust" thread. It'll happen... trust me.

That's why I'm praying this kid doesn't start out slowly with the ridiculous expectations people are hanging on him. I just want him to stay in control and help the team win some games. He doesn't have to be Joe Montana right out of the gate.

[Clockwork Orange]

I'm expecting the kid to make mistakes, but I'm also expecting that he'll make plays. He's a rookie QB stepping into a banged up offense so I'm not expecting miracles here.

At the very least this will definitely be some valuable experience for next season when he'll be at the helm full time.

[calvinandhobbes]

is this offical?

[elsid13]

is this offical?

No it a report in the DENVER POST, from a reliable source. So it hasn't been confirmed by the team yet.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Whatever happens the next few weeks happens. They make or miss the playoffs isn't the point, it's time for Jay to get the experience he needs for '07 and beyond.

[calvinandhobbes]

No it a report in the DENVER POST, from a reliable source. So it hasn't been confirmed by the team yet.

so why post it?

[AboveAverage]

so why post it?

Because we're on a Denver Broncos fan forum?

[TexanBob]

It's time the 2007 season begin. 2006 may be salvageable but, if it is, that only proves how much Plummer was holding us back. If it isn't, we are giving Cutler a better chance to be ready out of the gate next season.

My only fear is that our injured offensive line causes Jay to get clobbered and lose confidence.

[Kaylore]

Why post any article from the Post?

[watermock]

WOOT!!! I'm going to be there in person to see Cutler's first start!!!!

I wish the circumstances were different... and I wish Jake could have gone out a winner. This is a move of desperation, but I think the kid has been given enough time to at least be able to manage the game. The season is over with the team as is. Either Jay provides the needed spark for the offense... or he at least gets game experience for next year. Either way, its the right move at the right time.

The good doctor made me chuckle...it remined me of that show HOUSE where the doc is fighting off pessimists. I've never actually watched it, just seen promos...last one had him knocking someone out.

Our offense was in a coma...maybe this will bring the team out of it.

Gawd...it was like a death vigil for awhile.

I'm not saying we will even make the wild card, but Jake wasn't getting it done...We knew, Shanahan knew...hell..Jake knew.

Time to let that cocky rooster into the hen house.

[Northman]

I'm glad this is a national game. I really want to see Cutler.



Same here.

[Cito Pelon]

so why post it?

I thought it would make me look cool. Not that there's any question about it.

[elsid13]

so why post it?

Because it from the respectable news source. And we're on the broncos board......

[Crushaholic]

I'm a Broncos fan first and foremost. If our coach wants to make the switch, I'm all for it...:thumbsup:

Go Jay and GO BRONCOS!!!!

[long beach bronco]

Now we'll get to see Marshall, Kircus, Smith, Sheff, and not to mention Walker really do his thing. I'm ready for this offense to explode. If Tatum can go, it will really be a boost. A sleeping giant has just awaken.

[watermock]

It's time the 2007 season begin. 2006 may be salvageable but, if it is, that only proves how much Plummer was holding us back. If it isn't, we are giving Cutler a better chance to be ready out of the gate next season.

My only fear is that our injured offensive line causes Jay to get clobbered and lose confidence.

Cutler took a beating at Vandy and always got up. One former teammate said he dislocated his ring finger and just popped it back in, in the huddle. Injury is a risk for every player on the field.

[Mile High Mojoe]

There is Football God after all. I'm glad that Jake Debate will no longer dominate and control this board. I was excited on draft day when they got him now we finally get to see what this kid can do. I bet people will be happy with the results later on.:yayaya:

[elsid13]

Now we'll get to see Marshall, Kircus, Smith, Sheff, and not to mention Walker really do his thing. I'm ready for this offense to explode. If Tatum can go, it will really be a boost. A sleeping giant has just awaken.


More likely you will even more conservative play calling, to protect the rookie. But then again Shanahan likes to be aggressive, and his first call for Griese was streak to Rod Smith against the Dolphins

[NFLBRONCO]

We have 5 games left with Cutler playing how many wins do you expect? Be realistic. I say 2

[long beach bronco]

We will go 11-5 and into the playoffs and SHOCK THE WORLD!!!!

[Mile High Mojoe]

We've already seen the back-patting threads about Cutler starting, as if anyone here had anything to do with that... and as if anyone didn't know he was a talented kid destined to take over at some point.

The next death/taxes type thing to happen is the "Bust" thread. It'll happen... trust me.

That's why I'm praying this kid doesn't start out slowly with the ridiculous expectations people are hanging on him. I just want him to stay in control and help the team win some games. He doesn't have to be Joe Montana right out of the gate.

Why are you turning good news into a negative spin? Let us be happy, I don't think anyone is expecting much right away, just that he play better than Jake and that shouldn't be all that difficult. I'll let go of the past if you will does that sound fair?

[HEAV]

Well I'm not going to lie. I like Jake, I'll support Jay, but Jake was my QB. I feel he got a raw deal this past off-season (draft) aside from getting Javon, no O-line help, no serious RB, more bad Browns lineman.

What I don't like is that Denver is not a drop back passing team. No lepsis, Meadows has a hammy, Foster starting....... Good luck kid!

P.S. Hope he doesn'r hurt the old man (Rod) with that gun of his!

[smalltowngrll]

Honestly, unless there are other changes on the field, I don't suspect that Jay will have too much of an effect. Our issues aren't just with QB. We'll see, though. I've been known to be wrong before.

[Mile High Mojoe]

come are you ready for the great debate about which is more likely to get burned faster Foxworth and Dwill. Or how the heck the ST play isn't Cutler fault??? Or why did we overpay for Ian Gold, and is Lynch done??? Why Warren really is POS.

And how long do we have before the world end if bobo get live female action??? or does it prove that the Satan exists because Bobo must of sold his soul???Hilarious!

[Dudeskey]

I'll agree at least in the KC game, Jake got a pretty bad rap... half the time he was running for his life or couldn't get his feet set to throw. Kc's front made our o-line look terrible

[Atwater His Ass]

My opinion has always been that I don't believe Plummer can win us a Super Bowl, so this move only makes sense to me. At the worst, we don't make the playoffs this season but Cutler gets some valuable experience for next year. The experience he's getting this year is more valuable because we are still in the playoff hunt so this isn't just mop up duty to close out the season.

As a franchise we need to look toward the future at winning championships and not just at making the playoffs for this season. This is a move in that direction.

[Stuck In Texas]

I think this team may have too many flaws to make a serious run, but if this story is accurate, I think that by playing Cutler now, it will help him to be better prepared to play next year.

[Atwater His Ass]

Well I'm not going to lie. I like Jake, I'll support Jay, but Jake was my QB. I feel he got a raw deal this past off-season (draft) aside from getting Javon, no O-line help, no serious RB, more bad Browns lineman.

What I don't like is that Denver is not a drop back passing team. No lepsis, Meadows has a hammy, Foster starting....... Good luck kid!

P.S. Hope he doesn'r hurt the old man (Rod) with that gun of his!

I don't see how Jake got a raw deal. He had every opportunity to succeed this year and step up and lead this team. His drop off from last year can't be overlooked and in this league your job is always in jeporady.

[Dudeskey]

I think this team may have too many flaws to make a serious run, but if this story is accurate, I think that by playing Cutler now, it will help him to be better prepared to play next year.

Realistically thats all we have to look forward to if we start him now. Which is fine, but people should understand he's going to be learning & getting used to the speed of the pro game.

[azbroncfan]

How long before Jakie 4 life becomes a Cutler homer and gets over his man crush on plummer??

[theAPAOps5]

Its still just a rumor. So lets not get all giddy just yet. Lets all just continue to watch the fatal attraction that is Mile High Mojo and Popps. :kiss: :yayaya: :)

[Popps]

Its still just a rumor. So lets not get all giddy just yet. Lets all just continue to watch the fatal attraction that is Mile High Mojo and Popps. :kiss: :yayaya: :)

Yikes.

http://static.firedoglake.com/2006/07/fatal_attraction.jpg

[azbroncfan]

so why post it?

Same reason you just joined looking for any info on it?

[Popps]

How long before Jakie 4 life becomes a Cutler homer and gets over his man crush on plummer??

Ahhh... he's a good fan, man. He really is. You might disagree with his takes, but that dude lives and dies with the team. He may be a little over the top, but I'll take his type in the stands any day. Like I said, he strikes me as the type that (literally) has to take a walk to cool off after losses.

I'd suspect he will support Cutler just as enthusiastically. I hope we all do.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

O4L will hold Cutler to an incredibly high standard. He will nitpick every little mistake and come up with a reason why Jake would have made this play or that play.

[FloridaResident]

hes gonna be playing better than jake plummer for sure!

[telluride]

Because we're on a Denver Broncos fan forum?
ROFL! ROFL!

[Mile High Mojoe]

Its still just a rumor. So lets not get all giddy just yet. Lets all just continue to watch the fatal attraction that is Mile High Mojo and Popps. :kiss: :yayaya: :)

This even made me laugh.

[DB Doom]

first thing, i'm not comparing him to Elway, but Elway sure as hell took a many a 'lame duck' Bronco team to a Win.
i have always wanted this team to sorta rebuild and if this is the closest thing that i'm gonna get then fine....Get him ready for next year...we are still a top 5 football team regardless and will continue to be with our new Franchise QB.:yayaya:

[theAPAOps5]

This even made me laugh.

Good because I was only just having some fun with your feud :wave:

[Hogan11]

Well, I'm not jumping up and down about this or anything because it does smack of desperation and, as of yet, I've seen absolutely no confirmation of this anywhere.

My view on all this has always been if it happens, it happens. You adjust, roll with it and hope for the best. The change is really not that big of a deal because we all knew it was coming sooner or later anyways....some can complain about it and others can go out and celebrate it but the bottom line is that it really doesn't mean much until we see what some of the results are from it.

[TexanBob]

Continuing to root for Plummer to play in 2006 is like rooting for Steve DeBerg to run the team in 1983. We need to let the kid learn.

[Kaylore]

Well, I'm not jumping up and down about this or anything because it does smack of desperation and, as of yet, I've seen absolutely no confirmation of this anywhere.

My view on all this has always been if it happens, it happens. You adjust, roll with it and hope for the best. The change is really not that big of a deal because we all knew it was coming sooner or later anyways....some can complain about it and others can go out and celebrate it but the bottom line is that it really doesn't mean much until we see what some of the results are from it.
I agree. The good news is that even if Jay plays poorly, as he probably will at first, it won't be much different than what we've seen thus far.

175 of 315 (55%) 11 TD 12 Ints 7 fumbles 1994 yards.

Yeah, it won't take too much for him to get above those herculean numbers.

[BigPlayShay]

Well, if this is true, I will be in the stands for the kid's first 5 starts. I am excited to see him play. Last night I watched a DVD of his preformance against Florida from last year . He really has a rocket.

[Paladin]

IF this turns out to be a true report and not some BS effort to sell more newspapers (we have seen that happen a couple of times this year, haven't we?) then okay, Go, Jay. Let me reiterate that the effort of the team has to be emphasized, and without improved effort and play in the other areas, Jay being there is not going to make a whole h3lla lot of difference. I am about winning, not personalities.

It is a sad commentary if Jake goes out this way. He did help win some games for the Broncso, and provided many exciting and entertaining moments along with excruciating boners along the way the past five years; he was entertaining. I respect that and I appreciate that. He was out there busting his balls the best he could, took some hits and managed to still be a good man (I am thinking of his charity work here). But he has been in the league for 10 or 11 years, and he may have reached his "wall"; maybe we'll find out if he goes to another team next year. Frankly, he might do better in a different environment, who knows?

As for Jay, if he starts, I hope he provides some spark to the O, but that still means the D needs help. WThe Broncos need an RB and the Oline needs to be strengthened. Most of all, the Dline needs serious help. Jay is not gonna make those things better.

I will, of course want him to do well, and I will celebrate his achievements and I reserve the right to boo his failures. It's what makes a fan and it is entertainment. Being a fan means you love the team always, individuals when they desreve and have earned the respect.

Now we await to see if Shanahan makes it official.

[OrangeShadow]

This team has to many injuries/problems to make a serious run with jake. Its time to play for the future Yikes! and get jay some experience for next year when hes going to need it.

[watermock]

Rumor or not...the entire media establishment is reporting it, and nothing from Shanahan or anyone else is denying it.

The lighter told me so.

[Daddy T]

I'm glad this is a national game. I really want to see Cutler.

"Fail" Bob, you forgot Fail. The Donkey have packed in the season. No playoffs for them.

[Popps]

Well, I'm not jumping up and down about this or anything because it does smack of desperation and, as of yet, I've seen absolutely no confirmation of this anywhere.

My view on all this has always been if it happens, it happens. You adjust, roll with it and hope for the best. The change is really not that big of a deal because we all knew it was coming sooner or later anyways....some can complain about it and others can go out and celebrate it but the bottom line is that it really doesn't mean much until we see what some of the results are from it.

Your posts are too good.

There should be a separate forum for posts this logical. Get that **** outta here.

[Play2win]

It will be nice to have a QB that can see his own passing lanes without having to move the pocket or run a bootleg. Everything else is gravy, and There's A LOT OF GRAVY.

[atomicbloke]

I hate it sound like an idiot, but this report tells us nothing that we dont already know. It tells us that according to sources within the Broncos organization, Shanny is expected to name Jay the starter.

We already knew this on Wednesday from Adam Schefter's report on NFL Network.

How does this report tell us anything more?

I mean, when is Shanny walking up to the podium and say: guys, Jay Cutler is now the starting QB for the Denver Broncos.

Why hasn't it happened till now. I am really confused by this "leak" and all the "drama" surrounding it. This is like a high-school love story. What was the purpose of all this?

[Mile High Mojoe]

Good because I was only just having some fun with your feud :wave:One of my biggest faults is that I take the games way to seriously, believe it or not I've gotten better since 98. I should make it a rule to never get on the computer after a loss. The Chiefs loss kicked my butt again. I just hope that we still have a shot at the playoffs. We all take for granted these winning seasons and above .500 teams but they won't last forever.

I hope Shanny coaches like there is no tomorrow and opens it up with Cutler. He'll take his lumps and make his mistakes but it's all part of the game. These are the days to go all out for the ring. In later years we may not be so lucky.

[baja]

Where does it say Shanahan has made the change???

[BroncoFiend]

How long before the first idiot calls jay a bust?

Hasn't that already happened? All the people who criticized the pick back in April right?

[atomicbloke]

Where does it say Shanahan has made the change???

It doesn't :(

[Hogan11]

Your posts are too good.

There should be a separate forum for posts this logical. Get that **** outta here.

Well thank you. I know it's like shouting into the void, especially when people are all worked into a lather over a unconfirmed possibility....but I'm tired of speculation and generally tired of the situation as a whole.

Right now, it's give me confirmation or don't waste my time..that's the mode I'm in.

[-Slap-]

We have 5 games left with Cutler playing how many wins do you expect? Be realistic. I say 2

Five.

[plummershelper]

If the change does or does not happen we have atleast 2 advantages coming our way. We have a long 10 days to prepare and Seattle has a short week due to playing Monday and having to travel.

[Los Broncos]

Better hope he dont get hurt, and if he plays bad where does that leave us?

[watermock]

Better hope he dont get hurt, and if he plays bad where does that leave us?


Well, if he does get hurt, Jake Plummer isn't going to be cut. God.

[TheDave]

and if he plays bad where does that leave us?

Hoping that he plays better next year ???

[Cito Pelon]

Anybody seen any confirmation? I watched the evening news and I didn't see any mention of this.

[Lev Vyvanse]

This thread is hilarious absolutely no proof to back it up, but everyone assumes it is fact.

[ZONA]

I don't think Jay will strugle all that much. For one, I think we will have much better sucess on long pass plays, as Cutler has a stronger and more accurate arm.

Jay is gonna be just fine. Wait and see.

[Dagmar]

How long before the first idiot calls jay a bust?

Oh it'll happen fast, don't worry!

[theAPAOps5]

Anybody seen any confirmation? I watched the evening news and I didn't see any mention of this.

There won't be any until Monday. If the change is going to happen Shanny will announce it then. Or if he wants to make Seattle guess he will say that he wants to see how practice goes.

I hope he tells the team at least and then when he feels comfortable he tells the public. The team deserves to know before any of the media, or fans. I also hope he explains why he is doing it and does his best to make the team understand because Jake is a very good teammate and the last thing the team needs is a controversy within.

[ZONA]

This thread is hilarious absolutely no proof to back it up, but everyone assumes it is fact.

Sometimes you have to read between the lines my friend. When you have this many "sources" saying it's going to happen, and the obvious heated rant between Plummer and Shanny last game, the perfect timing with 10 days to prep, it just makes sense.

[Bronx33]

Oh it'll happen fast, don't worry!



Iam going to say bobo says it first.

[broncogary]

Your posts are too good.

There should be a separate forum for posts this logical. Get that **** outta here.

The Final Word: Popps thinks you're smart, Hogan. It must be true. ROFL!

[55CrushEm]

First, let's give a big helping of crow to all those people who insisted that there was NO WAY Cutler would start this year, unless Jake got injured.....

Second.....Plummer threw 11 TD's in our first 11 games......do you think Cutler can match that in our final 5 games ? ;D

[ZONA]

There won't be any until Monday. If the change is going to happen Shanny will announce it then. Or if he wants to make Seattle guess he will say that he wants to see how practice goes.

I hope he tells the team at least and then when he feels comfortable he tells the public. The team deserves to know before any of the media, or fans. I also hope he explains why he is doing it and does his best to make the team understand because Jake is a very good teammate and the last thing the team needs is a controversy within.

Make the team understand? What's not to understand here? Jake is ranked 29th in the league and Brady Quinn could outplay him right now. I think Shanny will get very few, if any, confused looks from the team when he announces it. Proably a huge sigh would be more in line.

[Spider]

what I saw vs the Chiefs is Jake doesnt give a damn anymore , Jake doesnt have the fire like he did last year ...............and his play shows it .....

[broncogary]

what I saw vs the Chiefs is Jake doesnt give a damn anymore , Jake doesnt have the fire like he did last year ...............and his play shows it .....

I don't think it matters if he cares. He still has a hard time hitting the broad side of a barn on any pass over 15 yards. That's why the bootleg worked for him. A 10 yard pass to his side of the field.

Unfortunately, everybody knows that now, and they take it away from us.

[theAPAOps5]

Make the team understand? What's not to understand here? Jake is ranked 29th in the league and Brady Quinn could outplay him right now. I think Shanny will get very few, if any, confused looks from the team when he announces it. Proably a huge sigh would be more in line.

Oh if he uses stats the team won't even question it. But we are not on the inside we don't see what Jake says, or does for his team. Its obvious he is a team guy. In that aspect Shanny needs to make sure that doesn't backfire. I'm not saying it will happen I am just saying Coach needs to make sure there is no backlash on Cutler.

[Sassy]

what I saw vs the Chiefs is Jake doesnt give a damn anymore , Jake doesnt have the fire like he did last year ...............and his play shows it .....

Jake's fire left the day of the draft.

[55CrushEm]

what I saw vs the Chiefs is Jake doesnt give a damn anymore , Jake doesnt have the fire like he did last year ...............and his play shows it .....

Agreed.

And at the very least, it shows that Jake can't handle any sort of pressure.....whether it be in the form of a high stakes game (last year's AFCC game), or competition breathing down his neck (Cutler).....

If you can't handle pressure, you don't belong in this league....much less as the starting QB for Mike Shanahan.....

[Spider]

I don't think it matters if he cares. He still has a hard time hitting the broad side of a barn on any pass over 15 yards. That's why the bootleg worked for him. A 10 yard pass to his side of the field.

Unfortunately, everybody knows that now, and they take it away from us.

I agree , but the lack of effort was astounding ................

[Bronx33]

Whats going to be really interesting is how the rest of the team responds to the new QB.

[theAPAOps5]

what I saw vs the Chiefs is Jake doesnt give a damn anymore , Jake doesnt have the fire like he did last year ...............and his play shows it .....

He cares he just can't fix it. He is too set after 10 years and he knows that he is just keeping his head above water. I think it is just a matter of he can't rather than he won't or has quit.

[Lev Vyvanse]

Sometimes you have to read between the lines my friend. When you have this many "sources" saying it's going to happen, and the obvious heated rant between Plummer and Shanny last game, the perfect timing with 10 days to prep, it just makes sense.

Sweet. so it is a fact.:poke:

[Spider]

He cares he just can't fix it. He is too set after 10 years and he knows that he is just keeping his head above water. I think it is just a matter of he can't rather than he won't or has quit.

I gotta disagree here ............`Jake has put in a half hearted effort this season , last season Jake was on fire and it showed , he realy made alot of plays , this season he is just going through the motions

[broncogary]

STFU. Seriously the season is not over, Cutler could be the first ever rookie to win it all. Jake gave him a 7-4 record as a head start. Teams will have to adjust. Shanahan's playbook will be opened up!!!

If Jake was any kind of QB, he would be giving him a 10-1 head start.

[theAPAOps5]

Sweet. so it is a fact.:poke:

As far as I am concerned is this rumor is still just a rumor. Yeah some big names are dropping the change but it isn't fact yet. After rewatching the game, yeah I like punishing myself, Shanny was visibly upset with Jake as was Jake with coach. Things have gone south in Shanny Plummer happy land. The change just makes sense now.

[Spider]

I seriously doubt that we make the playoffs with Cutler , but we cant keep on going the way we are now , let Cutler take some hits , make some mistakes and lets see how he handles it ...... give us a much better idea of next year

[theAPAOps5]

I gotta disagree here ............`Jake has put in a half hearted effort this season , last season Jake was on fire and it showed , he realy made alot of plays , this season he is just going through the motions

I see your point but I still think it goes back to the AFC Champ. game. The Steelers found Jakes fatal flaw here in Denver and used it over and over again. Now every team is doing that. I just think Jake can't overcome the adjustments. He knows that and has resigned himself to the fact. I almost wonder whether Jay should have played Thursday night.

[theAPAOps5]

I seriously doubt that we make the playoffs with Cutler , but we cant keep on going the way we are now , let Cutler take some hits , make some mistakes and lets see how he handles it ...... give us a much better idea of next year

If they don't make the playoffs its not because of Cutler. Its because of the injuries, no pass rush, and the lack of a second WR threat. I still contend the running game drop is because teams are loading up to make Jake beat them in the air.

[Spider]

I see your point but I still think it goes back to the AFC Champ. game. The Steelers found Jakes fatal flaw here in Denver and used it over and over again. Now every team is doing that. I just think Jake can't overcome the adjustments. He knows that and has resigned himself to the fact. I almost wonder whether Jay should have played Thursday night.

that could be , I wouldnt venture a guess as to why it happened ......... I had high hopes for Jake this year ..........

[Spider]

If they don't make the playoffs its not because of Cutler. Its because of the injuries, no pass rush, and the lack of a second WR threat. I still contend the running game drop is because teams are loading up to make Jake beat them in the air.

Could be , but winning is asking alot of Cutler , just let him get a feel for the game , if cutler excells , then great .....

[broncogary]

Could be , but winning is asking alot of Cutler , just let him get a feel for the game , if cutler excells , then great .....

Relax, Spider. The kid will do great. :thumbs:

[Spider]

Relax, Spider. The kid will do great. :thumbs:

I hope so , I know I want him to excell ;D

[Lev Vyvanse]

Relax, Spider. The kid will do great. :thumbs:

That is bull****, no one can tell what he will do. He could be the second coming of ryan leaf for all we know.

[DenverBrit]

This is a great time to start Cutler.
The team needs some focus, put the 'future' in now and
hopefully the team re-dedicates itself for a playoff run.
If not, then Cutler gets the reps for the remaining games and a fast start next season instead of a 'rookie' beginning.

[Spider]

That is bull****, no one can tell what he will do. He could be the second coming of ryan leaf for all we know.

I doubt that .......... I think Cutler will bea good one , but not in his rookie year .........

[theAPAOps5]

That is bull****, no one can tell what he will do. He could be the second coming of ryan leaf for all we know.

Wow you sound like a tool. If the change is made route for the kid don't call him to be the next Leaf. Anyways that is very slim as Leaf showed signs of his impending doom while in college.

[broncogary]

I doubt that .......... I think Cutler will bea good one , but not in his rookie year .........

I think he'll be great right from the start. He looks like a Brett Favre/Dan Marino combo.

The mobility and arm strength of Favre and the quick release of Marino.

[theAPAOps5]

Compared to the way Plummer has played lately Cutler can't do much worse. And if he does the worse case scenario is that a more confident Plummer returns as he doesn't have to look over his shoulder. Of course the season will be lost but Plummer is still a decent backup to have.

[Bronx33]

People have to be care where and how high they set their expectations for this kid, i personally would like to see him start a season from day one. Verses taking on a season in progress thus adding some pressure for him to save/proform right out of the gate. I hope just like any other bronco fan he does good but iam going to keep it in perspective.

[broncogary]

People have to be care where and how high they set their expectations for this kid, i personally would like to see him start a season from day one. Verses taking on a season in progress thus adding some pressure for him to save/proform right out of the gate. I hope just like any other bronco fan he does good but iam going to keep it in perspective.

The perspective is that you'll see how bad Plummer was when you see how good Cutler is.

[Bronx33]

The perspective is that you'll see how bad Plummer was when you see how good Cutler is.

Great......but we will see.

[SportinOne]

I know that given the amount of people on this board, that opinions are going to differ. The more people, the more they differ. But really this all comes down to THREE DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES.

A. Cutler plays worse than Plummer.

B. Cutler plays better than Plummer.

C. They play about the same.

The actual outcome will all depend on the coaching.

Shanahan could play it safe and play to win, giving Jay a real limited Plummer-like playbook and have him make easy throws, relying more on the rest of the team. Or he could also open it all up now, and let the chips fall where they fall. I'm positive that if he plays it safe we will still make the playoffs. Eventually that will catch up with us unless the defense goes back to being dominate and the special teams turn it around.

If we open it up, there is less room for error, but it will give Jay some really good practice for next year. We drafted him so that we could run the entire Shanahan offense so why cut corners and cheat his development just so that we can get to the playoffs?

Either way, i think he will outperform Jake. It wouldn't be hard. The only way he could do worse is to constantly turn the ball over with stupid decisions. If it's not there and he tucks it and runs, he'll be okay. If it's not there and he throws it away, he'll be okay. The trick is, he played for Vanderbilt, a team lacking in the talent department. Up here he has Walker, he's got Trusty Rod Smith. As long as he doesn't try to do too much, and remembers that after every 1st and 2nd down there is one more, he'll be okay.

[theAPAOps5]

But if he makes mistakes fans better go easy. He is not superman and he isn't going to come in and pull a Tom Brady. Actually he could but chances of that happening are not that high. He is walking into a severly injured and reeling team. I can't wait but I think it won't always be pretty. But he does have that Laser/Rocket Arm!!!!

[Lev Vyvanse]

Wow you sound like a tool. If the change is made route for the kid don't call him to be the next Leaf. Anyways that is very slim as Leaf showed signs of his impending doom while in college.

First off **** you*(and anyone in the room with you)
I would never hope for cutler to be the next leaf, but talking in absolutes is stupid.

[Spider]

I think he'll be great right from the start. He looks like a Brett Favre/Dan Marino combo.

The mobility and arm strength of Favre and the quick release of Marino.

Lets hope you are right , and I am the one talking out of my ass .... I can live with eating crow about Cutler ;D

[Bronx33]

I know that given the amount of people on this board, that opinions are going to differ. The more people, the more they differ. But really this all comes down to THREE DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES.

A. Cutler plays worse than Plummer.

B. Cutler plays better than Plummer.

C. They play about the same.

The actual outcome will all depend on the coaching.

Shanahan could play it safe and play to win, giving Jay a real limited Plummer-like playbook and have him make easy throws, relying more on the rest of the team. Or he could also open it all up now, and let the chips fall where they fall. I'm positive that if he plays it safe we will still make the playoffs. Eventually that will catch up with us unless the defense goes back to being dominate and the special teams turn it around.

If we open it up, there is less room for error, but it will give Jay some really good practice for next year. We drafted him so that we could run the entire Shanahan offense so why cut corners and cheat his development just so that we can get to the playoffs?

Either way, i think he will outperform Jake. It wouldn't be hard. The only way he could do worse is to constantly turn the ball over with stupid decisions. If it's not there and he tucks it and runs, he'll be okay. If it's not there and he throws it away, he'll be okay. The trick is, he played for Vanderbilt, a team lacking in the talent department. Up here he has Walker, he's got Trusty Rod Smith. As long as he doesn't try to do too much, and remembers that after every 1st and 2nd down there is one more, he'll be okay.


Shanahan can't open it up with a rookie (it isn't fair to the kid) but i will almost bet bobs virginity that mike has already made the playbook for cutler based on plummers proformance this year.

[theAPAOps5]

Honestly teams are going to load up and force Cutler to beat them with his arm. If he comes out and hits Javon on the go route, or checks down and finds Rod for the 9 yard gain the team is better off. Eventually teams will back off and play the pass opening up the running game. I still contend the running game can be established. If not then we see the exact same thing we say the first 11 games. Here is to hoping Cutler is as good as thought and the Bells or whomever step up and run like hell!!!!!

[broncogary]

I know that given the amount of people on this board, that opinions are going to differ. The more people, the more they differ. But really this all comes down to THREE DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES.

A. Cutler plays worse than Plummer.

B. Cutler plays better than Plummer.

C. They play about the same.

The actual outcome will all depend on the coaching.

Shanahan could play it safe and play to win, giving Jay a real limited Plummer-like playbook and have him make easy throws, relying more on the rest of the team. Or he could also open it all up now, and let the chips fall where they fall. I'm positive that if he plays it safe we will still make the playoffs. Eventually that will catch up with us unless the defense goes back to being dominate and the special teams turn it around.

If we open it up, there is less room for error, but it will give Jay some really good practice for next year. We drafted him so that we could run the entire Shanahan offense so why cut corners and cheat his development just so that we can get to the playoffs?

Either way, i think he will outperform Jake. It wouldn't be hard. The only way he could do worse is to constantly turn the ball over with stupid decisions. If it's not there and he tucks it and runs, he'll be okay. If it's not there and he throws it away, he'll be okay. The trick is, he played for Vanderbilt, a team lacking in the talent department. Up here he has Walker, he's got Trusty Rod Smith. As long as he doesn't try to do too much, and remembers that after every 1st and 2nd down there is one more, he'll be okay.

Or, it might depend on passing accuracy and reading defenses.

[theAPAOps5]

First off **** you*(and anyone in the room with you)
I would never hope for cutler to be the next leaf, but talking in absolutes is stupid.

Wow such anger. Chill out man. I just don't think you should even bring out the Ryan Leaf comparison. No need to resort to profanity and insults thats just childish.

[Lev Vyvanse]

Wow such anger. Chill out man. I just don't think you should even bring out the Ryan Leaf comparison. No need to resort to profanity and insults thats just childish.

Whatever TOOL.

[broncogary]

Honestly teams are going to load up and force Cutler to beat them with his arm. If he comes out and hits Javon on the go route, or checks down and finds Rod for the 9 yard gain the team is better off. Eventually teams will back off and play the pass opening up the running game. I still contend the running game can be established. If not then we see the exact same thing we say the first 11 games. Here is to hoping Cutler is as good as thought and the Bells or whomever step up and run like hell!!!!!

That's exactly what we want, and it's exactly what they've been doing. The difference is that Cutler has the arm to exploit it, and Jake doesn't.

[theAPAOps5]

Whatever TOOL.

Oh come on TTO calm down. I am sorry I called you a tool. Can we move past this? :flower:

[SportinOne]

Or, it might depend on passing accuracy and reading defenses.

Of course it does, but looking at the bigger picture.... If Mike keeps the play calling the same, it will be much easier on Jay given the types of reads and throws he will be expected to make. If he tries to open it up, it will be a little more difficult, but there will be much more reward if successful obviously.

My prediction is that we will see alot of the same, but with a few more shots down the field. Just don't expect some kind of overnight transformation of this offense.

[Cito Pelon]

I know that given the amount of people on this board, that opinions are going to differ. The more people, the more they differ. But really this all comes down to THREE DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES.

A. Cutler plays worse than Plummer.

B. Cutler plays better than Plummer.

C. They play about the same.

The actual outcome will all depend on the coaching.

Shanahan could play it safe and play to win, giving Jay a real limited Plummer-like playbook and have him make easy throws, relying more on the rest of the team. Or he could also open it all up now, and let the chips fall where they fall. I'm positive that if he plays it safe we will still make the playoffs. Eventually that will catch up with us unless the defense goes back to being dominate and the special teams turn it around.

If we open it up, there is less room for error, but it will give Jay some really good practice for next year. We drafted him so that we could run the entire Shanahan offense so why cut corners and cheat his development just so that we can get to the playoffs?

Either way, i think he will outperform Jake. It wouldn't be hard. The only way he could do worse is to constantly turn the ball over with stupid decisions. If it's not there and he tucks it and runs, he'll be okay. If it's not there and he throws it away, he'll be okay. The trick is, he played for Vanderbilt, a team lacking in the talent department. Up here he has Walker, he's got Trusty Rod Smith. As long as he doesn't try to do too much, and remembers that after every 1st and 2nd down there is one more, he'll be okay.

Well, we'll have to see how it plays out. IMO, there's some inherent difficulties with how the O is run on gameday. The committee approach to how the O is run is a big deal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dinger is in the booth and suggesting a play to Shanny, who then filters and realys the play to the QB. The only constant in the situation for years is that Shanny filters the play and relays it to the QB. The team tried Kubiak on the sideline, in the booth, wristbands, and now Dinger in the booth, Dennison I don't know where, and the constant is Shanny has to be the final word and relay man to the QB. It looks like a clusterhump at times, and it's not going to change for Jay.

Denver's 2 minute O has looked like crap for years, and this I think is one reason for that. Maybe it's just a matter of inserting the kid to make the clusterhump look like a smooth O finally.

[Cito Pelon]

But if he makes mistakes fans better go easy. He is not superman and he isn't going to come in and pull a Tom Brady. Actually he could but chances of that happening are not that high. He is walking into a severly injured and reeling team. I can't wait but I think it won't always be pretty. But he does have that Laser/Rocket Arm!!!!

I've lost track - were you one of the folks saying Cutler would be the football equivalent of Alexander the Great?

[Cito Pelon]

Shanahan can't open it up with a rookie (it isn't fair to the kid) but i will almost bet bobs virginity that mike has already made the playbook for cutler based on plummers proformance this year.

Well, I think Shanny wants to see the deep middle of the field passing game work, as many people have pointed out. And also the middle of the end zone. I think many of the "conversations" Shanny and Jake have had on the sideline have been about that.

[Cito Pelon]

I know that given the amount of people on this board, that opinions are going to differ. The more people, the more they differ. But really this all comes down to THREE DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES.

A. Cutler plays worse than Plummer.

B. Cutler plays better than Plummer.

C. They play about the same.

The actual outcome will all depend on the coaching.

Shanahan could play it safe and play to win, giving Jay a real limited Plummer-like playbook and have him make easy throws, relying more on the rest of the team. Or he could also open it all up now, and let the chips fall where they fall. I'm positive that if he plays it safe we will still make the playoffs. Eventually that will catch up with us unless the defense goes back to being dominate and the special teams turn it around.

If we open it up, there is less room for error, but it will give Jay some really good practice for next year. We drafted him so that we could run the entire Shanahan offense so why cut corners and cheat his development just so that we can get to the playoffs?

Either way, i think he will outperform Jake. It wouldn't be hard. The only way he could do worse is to constantly turn the ball over with stupid decisions. If it's not there and he tucks it and runs, he'll be okay. If it's not there and he throws it away, he'll be okay. The trick is, he played for Vanderbilt, a team lacking in the talent department. Up here he has Walker, he's got Trusty Rod Smith. As long as he doesn't try to do too much, and remembers that after every 1st and 2nd down there is one more, he'll be okay.

Well, we'll have to see how it plays out. IMO, there's some inherent difficulties with how the O is run on gameday. The committee approach to how the O is run is a big deal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dinger is in the booth and suggesting a play to Shanny, who then filters and realys the play to the QB. The only constant in the situation for years is that Shanny filters the play and relays it to the QB. The team tried Kubiak on the sideline, in the booth, wristbands, and now Dinger in the booth, Dennison I don't know where, and the constant is Shanny has to be the final word and relay man to the QB. It looks like a clusterhump at times, and it's not going to change for Jay.

Denver's 2 minute O has looked like crap for years, and this I think is one reason for that. Maybe it's just a matter of inserting the kid to make the clusterhump look like a smooth O finally.

[Lev Vyvanse]

Igor is.... like a giant turkey leg. Then he's going to rip off .... Nalen.



Or mabye a headbut or a punch in the kidney?

[theAPAOps5]

I've lost track - were you one of the folks saying Cutler would be the football equivalent of Alexander the Great?

No I was one of the ones saying Cutler was the better option at this point. So what is your point. Cutler is the better QB as of now. Jake was great but has lost it. I think he is a big reason the offense is playing the way they are. Are you on track now? :ouwknow: Oh I remember you got all upset because I thought Reggie Rivers sucked at announcing games and you though he was a hero for Denver and told me to shut up. So I understand your sentiment now. Sorry Cito I really don't mean to upset you.

[Mr Chatterboodamn]

so why post it?

you need/ought to be locked up in solitary rubber room with four point...

[wabbit]

As with the Griese/Brister mess back in the day, this will have a similar effect on the vets...it's essentially telling the locker room that the rest of the season will be a growing experience for a rookie QB, so expectations should be adjusted accordingly.

I'm sure some might hope Cutler is a Roethlisberger rookie-type, but besides Marino, I can't recall another rookie QB in the modern era (post merger) who lit it up right out of the college ranks.

I'm equally certain someone will immediately throw some name out there...but it's an extreme rarity nonetheless.

Plummer wasn't taking this team anywhere. There was an argument to be made (and some did) against making this move when the team was 7 & 2, but after two critical division losses, it's not as divisive as it might've been.

Before anyone asks, I've only heard the rumors like everyone else...I think I know who the source is, but beyond that I have no way to confirm this.

I guess we'll all get the grand announcement on Monday...assuming it's true, and a lengthy record dating decades back says the Denver Post isn't one to speculate like this if there isn't very solid evidence to do so.

So, hello Jay.

[theAPAOps5]

As with the Griese/Brister mess back in the day, this will have a similar effect on the vets...it's essentially telling the locker room that the rest of the season will be a growing experience for a rookie QB, so expectations should be adjusted accordingly.

I'm sure some might hope Cutler is a Roethlisberger rookie-type, but besides Marino, I can't recall another rookie QB in the modern era (post merger) who lit it up right out of the college ranks.

I'm equally certain someone will immediately throw some name out there...but it's an extreme rarity nonetheless.

Plummer wasn't taking this team anywhere. There was an argument to be made (and some did) against making this move when the team was 7 & 2, but after two critical division losses, it's not as divisive as it might've been.

Before anyone asks, I've only heard the rumors like everyone else...I think I know who the source is, but beyond that I have no way to confirm this.

I guess we'll all get the grand announcement on Monday...assuming it's true, and a lengthy record dating decades back says the Denver Post isn't one to speculate like this if there isn't very solid evidence to do so.

So, hello Jay.

The only name either than Marino and Rothleshelmet is Brady but I think its prudent to put Cutler in that company just yet.

[El Guapo]

I feel bad for jake, but otherwise Im excited for the Cutler era to begin. I trust shannahan (i fully expect the kid to have absolutely NO butterflies starting his first game, let a lone a nationally televised monday night game. ROFL! )

Best of luck Cutler, kick their asses! :strong:

[theAPAOps5]

Igor is going to eat him up like a giant turkey leg. Then he's going to rip off Cutler's right arm and beat Nalen over the head with it.

Looking forward to that chubby cheeked doofus continuing the futility of the QB position. Bring it you rat donkey turd bastards!!! :deadhorse

Well that is what roids does to a person. What a sad sack Igor is, true definition of a hypocrite.

[Cito Pelon]

No I was one of the ones saying Cutler was the better option at this point. So what is your point. Cutler is the better QB as of now. Jake was great but has lost it. I think he is a big reason the offense is playing the way they are. Are you on track now? :ouwknow: Oh I remember you got all upset because I thought Reggie Rivers sucked at announcing games and you though he was a hero for Denver and told me to shut up. So I understand your sentiment now. Sorry Cito I really don't mean to upset you.

There wasn't a point. It was just a question. I've lost track of who hates who, who knob-slobbers who, who butt-licks who, and so on. It was just a question and not meant to push buttons. Of course, it was stupid of me to think at this point that a question that mentioned Jay or Jake would not push a button.

[theAPAOps5]

There wasn't a point. It was just a question. I've lost track of who hates who, who knob-slobbers who, who butt-licks who, and so on. It was just a question and not meant to push buttons. Of course, it was stupid of me to think at this point that a question that mentioned Jay or Jake would not push a button.

Ok Cito then I fully apologize. It seems now days that if you are for Cutler you are calling him the next great thing. I thought you were taking a dig at me like earlier this year when I was griping about Reggie River. Sorry that was wrong of me.

[24champ]

But if he makes mistakes fans better go easy. He is not superman and he isn't going to come in and pull a Tom Brady. Actually he could but chances of that happening are not that high. He is walking into a severly injured and reeling team. I can't wait but I think it won't always be pretty. But he does have that Laser/Rocket Arm!!!!

I dunno, if Cutler makes a mistake he has the ability to make up for it. That is one thing that really impressed me watching Cutler was leading the team to a TD after throwing an INT against the Cards in pre-season. Only problem I had watching him was the snaps, he fumbled a few of them in pre-season, not sure if its a timing problem or what.

[theAPAOps5]

I dunno, if Cutler makes a mistake he has the ability to make up for it. That is one thing that really impressed me watching Cutler was leading the team to a TD after throwing an INT against the Cards in pre-season. Only problem I had watching him was the snaps, he fumbled a few of them in pre-season, not sure if its a timing problem or what.

Yeah he does have that ability. He just has all this hype and expectations now.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'm excited to begin a new era of Bronco football. I have to echo the sentiment expressed by other posters there that it is a bittersweet moment though. The era that just passed wasnt bad.

Jay, you have the hopes of QB cannibal Bronco fans on your shoulders. For your sake, I hope that you tear up the league.

[maven]

So long JAKE!

ROFL! ROFL! ROFL!

Jay is here!

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

[Atlas]

We've already seen the back-patting threads about Cutler starting, as if anyone here had anything to do with that... and as if anyone didn't know he was a talented kid destined to take over at some point.

The next death/taxes type thing to happen is the "Bust" thread. It'll happen... trust me.

That's why I'm praying this kid doesn't start out slowly with the ridiculous expectations people are hanging on him. I just want him to stay in control and help the team win some games. He doesn't have to be Joe Montana right out of the gate.


He really can't be any worse than what Plummer has been. I know I kept thinking Plummer would pull out of it but he never did. Pretty hard to explain why he played so poorly this year.

[24champ]

He really can't be any worse than what Plummer has been. I know I kept thinking Plummer would pull out of it but he never did. Pretty hard to explain why he played so poorly this year.

Atlas i see you went pre-emptive on the avy war again...;D

[heydensmom]

I was going through the my pictures taken at the game, looks like someone's ready to me
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/heydensmom/100_2289.jpg

[titan]

Glad to see the change. I wonder what kind of game plan we'll see this week - a conservative run oriented one to protect the kid or will Shanahan let Cutler air it out some?

[Bronx33]

Glad to see the change. I wonder what kind of game plan we'll see this week - a conservative run oriented one to protect the kid or will Shanahan let Cutler air it out some?


Conservative is my bet but i wouldn't doubt to see mike go long here and there, the good part about having a rook in is you know the opposing D will be coming after him (and we can take advantage of that)

[Spider]

I can see Shanny telling Cutler deep to Walker a couple of times per quarter ......

[Reign-inc]

SO even if Cutler does as bad or worse than jake we can at least take solice in the fact the Jay is a rookie and not a 9 year Vet of the sport. He will get better while plummer is getting worse

[jossjeff]

Does this mean the Plummer era starts in Oaktown next season?

The scary thing is that he would be an upgrade at this point.

[elsid13]

Glad to see the change. I wonder what kind of game plan we'll see this week - a conservative run oriented one to protect the kid or will Shanahan let Cutler air it out some?

Depends. Griese first start was pretty aggressive, but that he had to do for the fact that the Fins, got up big early on that Monday night.

[Jason in LA]

Hold up a second. The article that led off the thread has no quotes, and doesn't say that anybody from the Broncos has stated this. It says that no players have been informed of this. Why would Klis know before the players, and if he was told by somebody from the Broncos, he would have mentioned the source.

I want the change to be made, but this seems like a media driven story. The media keeps saying that the change will be made, but where is that coming from? How did pure speculation turn into fact? For all we know Shanny could have the stance that Cutler will sit no matter what.

[Spider]

Does this mean the Plummer era starts in Oaktown next season?

The scary thing is that he would be an upgrade at this point.

Byron Leftwitch at your service .......... i think the Raiders make a strong move for him ........

[jossjeff]

Byron Leftwitch at your service .......... i think the Raiders make a strong move for him ........

Dude has feet of stone, but a strong arm.

At least we have a stud pass blocking line to keep him upright though.

ROFL!

No thanks.

[Spider]

Dude has feet of stone, but a strong arm.

At least we have a stud pass blocking line to keep him upright though.

ROFL!

No thanks.

oh there are several reasons why Leftwitch fits better then Plummer , 1 is being Moss 2 nd is Gallery , at least with Leftwitch Gallery will pretty much know where the QB is , and as bad as Gallery is thats a huge help .......but what you are going through with Walters , we will be going through with Cutler . if that eases the pain any ;D

[Bronx33]

I really don't know where a QB with zero touch and zero accuracy could be used other than a (cheap) backup role, no way jake starts for anybody IMO hes shown the entire league his skills.

[Spider]

I really don't know where a QB with zero touch and zero accuracy could be used other than a (cheap) backup role, no way jake starts for anybody IMO hes shown the entire league his skills.

2 places for Plummer ........ Cleveland , Tampa ....... as a starter , back up - Ari

[broncsyanks]

good luck jay bring us tot hte promise land we are all behind you

[Bronx33]

good luck jay bring us tot hte promise land we are all behind you


Folks just remember to be patient, hopefully we finish well this year (but don't expect) a whole lot the kid will have a learning curve and he will make mistakes.

[ro_50]

The thing is now, its his team now. We have to support him no matter what. I kind of feel for Jake Plummer because I know he busts his tail during the game but it was time.

This is not only for this season but for the next 10 years. The offense was stagnant and needed a boost, maybe Cutler will play solid.

I'm not expecting anything out of this world by him.

You know he's going to make mistakes as a rookie but maybe he can add another dimension to the offense with his arm and the vertical game with Javon Walker can open up the running game.

[Cito Pelon]

Hold up a second. The article that led off the thread has no quotes, and doesn't say that anybody from the Broncos has stated this. It says that no players have been informed of this. Why would Klis know before the players, and if he was told by somebody from the Broncos, he would have mentioned the source.

I want the change to be made, but this seems like a media driven story. The media keeps saying that the change will be made, but where is that coming from? How did pure speculation turn into fact? For all we know Shanny could have the stance that Cutler will sit no matter what.

The weight of everything considered, I think the controversy is over even though it has not been officially confirmed.

[DBroncos4life]

My friend who is a Vikings fan said he would luv to have Plummer this year as his QB. Brad Johnson is pretty bad this year. Jake has some teams that will give him a try.

[Natedogg]

Hold up a second. The article that led off the thread has no quotes, and doesn't say that anybody from the Broncos has stated this. It says that no players have been informed of this. Why would Klis know before the players, and if he was told by somebody from the Broncos, he would have mentioned the source.

I want the change to be made, but this seems like a media driven story. The media keeps saying that the change will be made, but where is that coming from? How did pure speculation turn into fact? For all we know Shanny could have the stance that Cutler will sit no matter what.

I see your point. But for your post to be true, the sources that Mort, Sheftner, and Klis cited would all have to be lying or completely fabricated.

My guess is it'll be confirmed at the Monday presser. (I think that's when its scheduled, right?)

[telluride]

So, who thinks we should have done this four weeks ago?

[El Guapo]

I think its perfect timing.. (considering this is true)

[Jason in LA]

I see your point. But for your post to be true, the sources that Mort, Sheftner, and Klis cited would all have to be lying or completely fabricated.

My guess is it'll be confirmed at the Monday presser. (I think that's when its scheduled, right?)

I don't think these guys have any sources. I don't think that anybody in the Broncos organization gave them this information. These guys are speculating, and they've turned their speculation into fact. That's what bugs me about these so called "insiders". They report their speculation as fact. I would be more receptive to their information if they let it be known that they are purely speculating. But read the article that started this thread. Klis is stating it as a fact. Mort has pretty much stated it as a fact. It's like the media are just running with a story that isn't there.

Shanny could be ready to make the change, which I hope is the case. But at the same time he might be ready to go the rest of the season with Plummer.

I just don't like that these guys are speculating without any confirmed information. But I guess that's what sports jounalism is now a days. Reporting opinions as facts. Throw a whole lot of sh** against the wall and see what sticks. Most of it won't, but that doesn't really matter.

[DenverBrit]

I don't think these guys have any sources. I don't think that anybody in the Broncos organization gave them this information. These guys are speculating, and they've turned their speculation into fact. That's what bugs me about these so called "insiders". They report their speculation as fact. I would be more receptive to their information if they let it be known that they are purely speculating. But read the article that started this thread. Klis is stating it as a fact. Mort has pretty much stated it as a fact. It's like the media are just running with a story that isn't there.

Shanny could be ready to make the change, which I hope is the case. But at the same time he might be ready to go the rest of the season with Plummer.

I just don't like that these guys are speculating without any confirmed information. But I guess that's what sports jounalism is now a days. Reporting opinions as facts. Throw a whole lot of sh** against the wall and see what sticks. Most of it won't, but that doesn't really matter.


How can you be sure that they are speculating?
Most sports journalists have 'sources,' or at least one source, within their local sports franchises that they can count on.
For the Post to run the story on the front page, indicates that the editor
is comfortable enough to place it there. Not every front page story is real, but Cutler is a hot topic and I doubt
everyone in the Broncos organization is being tight lipped about it.
In fact, I'd speculate that more than one source is giving out the story. ;)

[theAPAOps5]

Respected reporters don't make things up based on what the trends are looking like. Note I said respected and Shefter is very respected.

[Rascal]

Still looks like speculation to me. I'll believe it when Shanny himself says it.

[maven]

Good. Buh-bye Plummer. You'll be cut. Have fun somewhere else!

[Natedogg]

I don't think these guys have any sources. I don't think that anybody in the Broncos organization gave them this information. These guys are speculating, and they've turned their speculation into fact. That's what bugs me about these so called "insiders". They report their speculation as fact. I would be more receptive to their information if they let it be known that they are purely speculating. But read the article that started this thread. Klis is stating it as a fact. Mort has pretty much stated it as a fact. It's like the media are just running with a story that isn't there.

Shanny could be ready to make the change, which I hope is the case. But at the same time he might be ready to go the rest of the season with Plummer.

I just don't like that these guys are speculating without any confirmed information. But I guess that's what sports jounalism is now a days. Reporting opinions as facts. Throw a whole lot of sh** against the wall and see what sticks. Most of it won't, but that doesn't really matter.

Well it's writer's credibility on the line. If Jake starts on sunday, three sports journalists will have lost a lot of stature. If all three are really blowing it out of their ass es than their big gamblers.