2007 Running Backs...who will be there and what are they like?

[Florida_Bronco]

I've pretty much resigned myself, like many others here, that Tatum Bell simply isn't the long term answer for us at running back. That being said, I've talked to a couple people and the general feeling is Denver will be going after a long term running back in this draft.

So my questions for you draft experts is what running backs will likely be available on the first day and how do they break down?

[Florida_Bronco]

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[Elway777]

I think Peterson and Lynch would look good in a broncos uniform but most likely will be gone by the time the broncos pick. Michiel Bush is also a great back but has a history of injury but could be their when the Broncos pick. I also might consider trading our 2 round pick or a third round pick for Michiel Turner but would the chargers trade him to someone in their division.Koldy Smith is a sleeper and Broncos could draft him late in the 3 round.Chauncy Washington also a sleeper pick but he also have a history of injury. Irons also would be a solid pick but has not been that productive to use a first round pick and most likely will not be their in the second.

[Kaylore]

Here are the guys I've looked at and think could be good based on the little footage that I've seen as well as their other aspects. I hope it helps.

Adrian Peterson: Obviously the premiere back in the draft. We won't have a chance of sniffing him, but he is the most complete - at least I think so.

Marshawn Lynch: Perfect size (5-11, 217) has speed and power. Finishes his runs and great about using his arms. He does a good job of moving the ball from arm to the other to adjust to incoming tacklers and free up an arm to fight them off with. I think he runs too upright and his strides are kind of wide. I'd like to see him stay closer to the ground and keep his pads lower.

Antonio Pittman: I think he's really underrated. I like the way he cuts up field and doesn't dance around. Great speed and hard to arm tackle. He is more important to that offense than people realize but he plays in Troy Smith's shadow. I haven't seen him catch a lot of balls, so I don't know how that aspect of his game is, but he's pretty good in pass protection.

Garret Wolfe: He's like another Westbrook, Jones-Drew guy. Obviously smaller but awesome hands and attacks the line of scrimmage. Can really make people miss in space and has tremendous balance. He's smaller though, so I don't know if he fits our system, but I think he'll be like Jones-Drew and Westbrook and have success in the pros.

Ken Darby: I know, (Ken Darby!?) but he is the perfect size (5-11, 215) with good speed, plays low to the ground, and can catch the ball. He was outstanding last year, but he really fell off this year. I suspect that was partly to do with 'bama and losing a decent QB than him sucking, though. I think if he's there in the later rounds (when we usually pick backs up) he'd be worth it with our coaching staff if his combine numbers are satisfactory.

Guys that didn't do it for me:

Dwayne Wright: Just seemed like a big road grader to me. Pretty one dimensional I thought.

Kenny Irons: He plays well but he's kind of skinny and long and every highlight video I saw of them I kept wanting to watch Mario Fannin play and thought he was a better look pro-prospect. But what do I know? I mean someone on here said that the Broncos really like Kenny which means he's probably a hall of famer. Ha!

Anyway, I'll look at more as the draft videos come out, but hope that helps and hopefully when other people post things to add to or refute what I've written we'll get a good thread going. 8')

[bpc]

I would love to get a true game breaker back in Denver. AP would be sick... doubt he falls. Lynch would look nice as well but I don't think he has the game that AP does overall. I'm worried about Bush's long term health. I think Middlebrooks had a broken leg and that never healed completely.

I wouldn't mind taking Irons if he falls to round 3.

[Odysseus]

Don't we still have our hands on Cedric Cobbs? Isn't Cecil Sapp coming back?
Damien Nash is still on the roster right?

Our running game needs to be feared not respected. Lepsis is coming back but something needs to change on the offensive line.

FB: I was really hoping to see more out of Kyle Johnson this year. He's our only FB but isn't proving to be the clutch player I thought he would be. I wonder why the Broncos aren't using Cobbs and Nash in the FB role?

Broncos should look HARD at the running game. I don't care about the numbers. We don't have that pop like some "lesser" running teams.

[Odysseus]

Wouldn't it be nice to have a top ten running back again? It would be nice to have two 1,000 yard rushers by game 14 but here we are again waiting on Tatum. Come on little fellar! 75 more yards! You can do it!

[Requiem]

Peterson and Lynch are the only assumed long-term RB's at this time.

[youcandoit1687]

i wish i had seen wolfe against somebody besides one of the best defenses in college football so i dont really have much to base my opinions of him on.

i like both darby and irons, i would be ok with them in the third. i might be working out with marshawn lynch, desean jackson, and some other cal guys in the future so ill probably come away pretty impressed with all those guys.

[Elway 4 Life]

We have more pressing needs. D-line is more important. I think we have some great talent now. I would like to see more of Mike Bell. I think as of late he is really stepping up and he understands the cutback part of our system. I think he can become our #1 and have tatum come in and be the change of pace home run guy like he was last year.

[want2bAbronco2]

Nate Ilaoa SR RB Hawaii 5'9" 245lbs. I havent seen much, but I watched him this weekend in the Hawaii bowl. Man that guy is huge, moved very fast, cut it to the out side a lot, and just ran/stiff armed people left and right! Anyone know anything more about him? (just read an article about him, he use to be a WR at Hawaii and has amazing hands)

[youcandoit1687]

Nate Ilaoa SR RB Hawaii 5'9" 245lbs. I havent seen much, but I watched him this weekend in the Hawaii bowl. Man that guy is huge, moved very fast, cut it to the out side a lot, and just ran/stiff armed people left and right! Anyone know anything more about him? (just read an article about him, he use to be a WR at Hawaii and has amazing hands)


yeah he sure is an interesting prospect, i would like to have him here, hed be great on screens, not sure about between the tackles but he could kind of be like the jets' leon washington. get him in the open field and let him run over people(of course washington makes ppl miss but same idea). he is a bowling ball of a football player if there ever was one.

[Elway777]

Garry Russell is also entering the draft. Russell is a good short yardage back that ran for over 100 yards plus scored 18 touchdowns while running for over 6 yards a carry. He also ran in a zone blocking scheme at Minnesota. Selvin Young would also be a good second day pick. Young is a good returner plus is a great cutback runner.Lorenzo Booker has been compared to Tatum Bell and also might be a good second day pick.

[24champ]

One name not mentioned is Tony Hunt, guy is a beast. A Mike Anderson clone if you ask me.

[elsid13]

One name not mentioned is Tony Hunt, guy is a beast. A Mike Anderson clone if you ask me.

Yeah, I was going to mention him. Good size, and decent speed. And he can catch. Would be interest late round pick up.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

He's kind of flown under the radar this year, but could be rediscovered at the combine.

[youcandoit1687]

Garry Russell is also entering the draft. Russell is a good short yardage back that ran for over 100 yards plus scored 18 touchdowns while running for over 6 yards a carry. He also ran in a zone blocking scheme at Minnesota. Selvin Young would also be a good second day pick. Young is a good returner plus is a great cutback runner.Lorenzo Booker has been compared to Tatum Bell and also might be a good second day pick.

russell has the character issues but would be a great fit for us, just like maroney or barber III, fourth round gamble?
i havent seen much of tony hunt but he could come pretty cheap for his college production, id like to see his 40 time though.
my guess is that kenny irons slips after combines so he could be a possibility in the 3/4 area

[Elway777]

russell has the character issues but would be a great fit for us, just like maroney or barber III, fourth round gamble?
i havent seen much of tony hunt but he could come pretty cheap for his college production, id like to see his 40 time though.
my guess is that kenny irons slips after combines so he could be a possibility in the 3/4 area Russell does not have character issues but could not make the grades in college. He might be worth a second day pick.

[youcandoit1687]

Russell does not have character issues but could not make the grades in college. He might be worth a second day pick.

i thought there were character issues too. my bad, id spend a third on him, hes a proven commodity in our system.

[want2bAbronco2]

I really like Irons, and my friend is really big on him. I was thinking a 2nd late or 3rd, but every draft I have seen has him going as #3 RB in first round. BUT most mocks are never right, Pope TE last year was suppose to go 20 and went like 68 to the Cards in the 3rd.

[chaz]

i live in minnesota and watched gary russell play last season...he runs well and before he became academically ineligible a lot of people were predicting he would be better tahn maroney or barber III...who knows what he has been doing over the last year though...he would have to impress in workouts and prove he has been keeping in shape before i'd consider him

RB's that i like:
marshawn lynch
tony hunt
ken darby
gary russell
michael bush

[Florida_Bronco]

I really like Irons, and my friend is really big on him. I was thinking a 2nd late or 3rd, but every draft I have seen has him going as #3 RB in first round. BUT most mocks are never right, Pope TE last year was suppose to go 20 and went like 68 to the Cards in the 3rd.

I watched that guy and I don't see him being a Bronco. He's got a small frame and didn't seem to run with much power. He seems to me like a mix between Tatum and Quentin Griffin.

[youcandoit1687]

how about the other minnesota RB, anthony pinnix? we need to get one of these guys because they will do ridiculously good im sure. theyd be more familiar with the system than mike bell and he has done very well. is pinnix a senior? im going to miss having the minnesota zone blocking system pipeline to rely on.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

how about the other minnesota RB, anthony pinnix? we need to get one of these guys because they will do ridiculously good im sure. theyd be more familiar with the system than mike bell and he has done very well. is pinnix a senior? im going to miss having the minnesota zone blocking system pipeline to rely on.

Well about half of the college teams are moving to zone blocking. Michigan, Wisconsin, USC, Washington, Georgia, etc

[youcandoit1687]

Well about half of the college teams are moving to zone blocking. Michigan, Wisconsin, USC, Washington, Georgia, etc

true true, minnesota seems to have done it the best and in similar style. they dont have teh expensive(high recruit) OLinemen but are still able to achieve great running execution. michael hart would be a very interesting pick for us next year, hell be too small for most teams' liking but i like how he runs, he always seems to get atleast two yards and he falls forward every time, very underrated qualities for a RB, he may not break the long one like AD or lynch but he is consistant and would be a good compliment to bell. hart and bell, bel and hart.

[chaz]

AMIR pinnix is a junior...don't know about his speed, but has been fairly productive against big ten competition. 6'0" 205 lbs.

[bpc]

Just watched Lynch and Peterson film. Man, it is tough to choose between the two as they both should be very good. I'm concerned though about the running style of Peterson and the injuries that he has had. He is such a tough runner and really fights for every inch... that is good and bad though, I think his style is going to wear him down real quick and I'm not surprised that he has injury problems in college.

Lynch has this suddeness and a style very similar to Edgerin James. He has a silky smooth running style and I think he would be an overall better fit running in Denver.

[chaz]

Just watched Lynch and Peterson film. Man, it is tough to choose between the two as they both should be very good. I'm concerned though about the running style of Peterson and the injuries that he has had. He is such a tough runner and really fights for every inch... that is good and bad though, I think his style is going to wear him down real quick and I'm not surprised that he has injury problems in college.

Lynch has this suddeness and a style very similar to Edgerin James. He has a silky smooth running style and I think he would be an overall better fit running in Denver.

you're right it is tough to pick between them...but hopefully at our pick one will fall. and even that would be a miracle...but hopefully the choice would be made for us

[ozomulsion]

I watched that guy and I don't see him being a Bronco. He's got a small frame and didn't seem to run with much power. He seems to me like a mix between Tatum and Quentin Griffin.

Are you crazy, Irons is a 230 lb tail back. He is NOT a cross between Tatum and Griffin.

[elsid13]

Are you crazy, Irons is a 230 lb tail back. He is NOT a cross between Tatum and Griffin.

ESPN has Kenny Irons listed at 203, meaning he about 190 with way college "over" value stuff.

[ozomulsion]

ESPN has Kenny Irons listed at 203, meaning he about 190 with way college "over" value stuff.

He runs like a 230lb runningback. The kid is powerfull. He runs strait through the hole and makes good cuts. Have you seen him? No way he's 190lbs.

[Barry Ramey]

Russell fits in that he played in a similar blocking scheme the Broncos run in college. Irons is not a big back and questions are if he can really be an every down back or not.

Broncos need a runner with Tatum type of speed, but Mike Bell's toughness, so not sure who that would be in this draft.

I'm not high on Michael Bush. I think because of his size and the hits he will take being such a big target, he won't have a long career.

Wolfe will not be like the other short RB's since those guys have bulk to them, 200lbs+. Wolfe is listed at not even 180lbs, so hard to see a 5'7, 180lb or so guy being an every down back in the NFL.

[Drek]

He runs like a 230lb runningback. The kid is powerfull. He runs strait through the hole and makes good cuts. Have you seen him? No way he's 190lbs.

http://www.thecreep.com/images/au/players/kirons.jpg

Looks kinda like a CB taking a pick back, no?

I know Irons runs with power, I don't think anyone questions that, but that running style, coupled with being rail think through the midsection is causing serious doubts regarding his durability. I'd have to agree myself. He's got talent, I'd be ok with him as our 2nd round pick if he grades out well in the combine and Bush is gone, but if we really want to address RB our best choice is to package 21 overall and a 3rd to get into the mid teens if Lynch falls that far.

[Ratboy]

I would love to have AP.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Just say no to Darby and Irons unless we get them late and want to take a chance. Neither shown much last year.

[Steve Prefontaine]

One name not mentioned is Tony Hunt, guy is a beast. A Mike Anderson clone if you ask me.

Yup, I agree about Hunt. I would love to see the Broncos make a run at him.

[Kaylore]

He runs like a 230lb runningback. The kid is powerfull. He runs strait through the hole and makes good cuts. Have you seen him? No way he's 190lbs.

Irons is skinny and I'm not impressed with his running abilities.

[azbroncfan]

How about Pittman OSU?

[ozomulsion]

How about Pittman OSU?

I don't know, he was part of a RB by commitee.

[chaz]

How about Pittman OSU?

i thought i heard he wasnt coming out...i could of heard wrong tho....is he supposedly considering declaring?

[elsid13]

i thought i heard he wasnt coming out...i could of heard wrong tho....is he supposedly considering declaring?

yeah, he supposedly concerned about playing time next year.

[ozomulsion]

yeah, he supposedly concerned about playing time next year.

That's not good. I have to admit the second string runner looked better than him. I wouldn't take him.

[youcandoit1687]

dont be fooled by that, chris wells was the number one overall by scout.com i believe

[cmhargrove]

Here is a YouTube special on Lynch. I think he would be great in our system if he can block.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5kA59Xnhew

[Rohirrim]

I still say that Shanahan could turn Brian Leonard into a world class running back, on the scale of John Riggins, with all sorts of other options as well. IMO, you could almost create a new position with Leonard; Sort of an enhanced Hback. He could line up in the I and then motion out as a slot receiver. Wouldn't that mess with people's minds? Personally, I think Mike Bell will get better this year, but I don't envision him ever being a franchise back. So, the Broncos either bring in a guy like Leonard who beefs up Bell's game, or they realize Bell isn't going to cut it and trade up for Lynch or AD. Right?

[socalorado]

As stated above in this thread, Tatum Bell isnt getting it done. And as much as i like M Bell, Hmmm... not a 3rd down, get the tough yards we NEED kinda RB. All of the backs in the draft are either out of reach, (AP, Lynch) or the Broncs would have to trade up to get them. (Using a 1st or a 2nd) Right? Later round RBs are either injury prone,( BUSH ) or they are Tatum clones (Hunt, Pittman) in some way or other.
Question: Instead of trading up on a possible bust,and giving away picks in the process or picking a guy who would be just another version of "the same old thing", why not TRADE for a Turner or Betts?
These guys would be BEASTS in our system and we could simply move on to the other needs we have in the draft. I dont think we should give up a 1st if at all possible, for these guys, but i think with the trade possiblilities ( tatum,plummer,foster) and the picks we have, we should be able to get something done for at least Betts! The Deadskins always trade with us and they dont have any 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick in this years draft! I know we dont want to give SD any more ammo, but Turner is supposed to be a BETTER inside runner than LT! Jeez! imagine that guy in our system! Yeah, we give up a 2nd, but the sparklers always find a way to scew these things up anyways. So we bite the bullet and DOMINATE on the ground again!

[Drek]

I hope we add some Nasty Nate Ilaoa Powa in the 5th round. ;D

I still say that Shanahan could turn Brian Leonard into a world class running back, on the scale of John Riggins, with all sorts of other options as well. IMO, you could almost create a new position with Leonard; Sort of an enhanced Hback. He could line up in the I and then motion out as a slot receiver. Wouldn't that mess with people's minds? Personally, I think Mike Bell will get better this year, but I don't envision him ever being a franchise back. So, the Broncos either bring in a guy like Leonard who beefs up Bell's game, or they realize Bell isn't going to cut it and trade up for Lynch or AD. Right? My thoughts exactly. Leonard would be awesome here, huge upgrade to our backfield pass blocking, receiving, and I think he'd run better than any of our current RBs too. Would love to add him.

why not TRADE for a Turner or Betts?
These guys would be BEASTS in our system and we could simply move on to the other needs we have in the draft. I dont think we should give up a 1st if at all possible, for these guys, but i think with the trade possiblilities ( tatum,plummer,foster) and the picks we have, we should be able to get something done for at least Betts! The Deadskins always trade with us and they dont have any 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick in this years draft! I know we dont want to give SD any more ammo, but Turner is supposed to be a BETTER inside runner than LT! Jeez! imagine that guy in our system! Yeah, we give up a 2nd, but the sparklers always find a way to scew these things up anyways. So we bite the bullet and DOMINATE on the ground again!
Oh yeah, SD wastes first day picks all the time. Look at Merriman, Phillips, Castillo, LT, McNeil, Brees, etc. Those guys don't know how to draft.

Turner is a product of running behind a great run blocking line and FB. He's big so taking 5-6 yards from a D already worn down by LT isn't exactly asking the world of him. I wouldn't give a 3rd for Turner, no way I'd give the 1st or 2nd it'll actually require.

[socalorado]

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Oh yeah, SD wastes first day picks all the time. Look at Merriman, Phillips, Castillo, LT, McNeil, Brees, etc. Those guys don't know how to draft.

Turner is a product of running behind a great run blocking line and FB. He's big so taking 5-6 yards from a D already worn down by LT isn't exactly asking the world of him. I wouldn't give a 3rd for Turner, no way I'd give the 1st or 2nd it'll actually require.
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so you think that Turners "overrated" for the pick he would require? My thought is IF we were to draft a RB in the 1st, are they relly worth all the moving up and giving away picks and taking chances? You really think that Turner is just another guy who has just OK talent, but benefits completely from the SD system? Sort of like the Broncos huh? I am not for giving up a 1st rounder for the guy, but if were going to draft a guy in the 2nd , then yeah, bite the bullet and give it to SD. I would much rather give it to Wash. for Betts though. Betts and M Bell would be a tough duo.
Oh and i was being sarcastic with the SD wasting draft picks... Sorry should have been more clear.

[chaz]

Turner is a product of running behind a great run blocking line and FB. He's big so taking 5-6 yards from a D already worn down by LT isn't exactly asking the world of him. I wouldn't give a 3rd for Turner, no way I'd give the 1st or 2nd it'll actually require.

so if we bring in justin griffith from atlanta than he should feel right at home behind him right? ^5

[azbroncfan]

I still say that Shanahan could turn Brian Leonard into a world class running back, on the scale of John Riggins, with all sorts of other options as well. IMO, you could almost create a new position with Leonard; Sort of an enhanced Hback. He could line up in the I and then motion out as a slot receiver. Wouldn't that mess with people's minds? Personally, I think Mike Bell will get better this year, but I don't envision him ever being a franchise back. So, the Broncos either bring in a guy like Leonard who beefs up Bell's game, or they realize Bell isn't going to cut it and trade up for Lynch or AD. Right?

You have officially gone Orange4Life on this guy. He will be a FB and will have to gain the wieght back he lost. I would take him on the second day but I'm not sure he will be there.

[Rohirrim]

You have officially gone Orange4Life on this guy. He will be a FB and will have to gain the wieght back he lost. I would take him on the second day but I'm not sure he will be there.

No, I haven't gone that far. ;D I think he's a unique talent. But you're right. I have no doubt that the majority of teams out there will just draft Leonard in the third or fourth rounds to be a FB, fatten him up and forget about it. Hell, NFL coaching is like any other industry. You reach the comfort level of your competence, or incompetence as the case may be. Nobody wants to stick their neck out, try some new innovation, and then get laughed at if it fails. Leonard will probably bop around to a few teams, playing FB, and finally, some coach will see through the BS, turn him into a RB, or some kind of new hybrid Hback, and we'll see a Riggins redux. Or, he'll land on some team with a really good Oline and the same thing will happen.

People who didn't see Riggins play have forgotten something. Now we have a new RB stereotype where that kind of player just doesn't fit. I believe (if I'm not mistaken) that Riggins still holds the #2 spot for yards from scrimmage. People also forget that Gibbs had him returning kicks, which was frigging terrifying if you were playing STs. He also played him as a receiver out of the backfield and elsewhere. He had to be covered on every play. If he broke through the line into the secondary, you were in deep shiite. I think the reason people forget is that there hasn't been a player like that to come along in a a long time, where the right niche must be created for him, rather than some formulaic, stick him in the same old box, kind of thinking. I'll be interested to see if Gibbs goes after him. Of course, the Skins don't have a second, third or fourth. Maybe they'll trade out of the six spot to move down for him, plus more picks? It will interesting to see.

[Drek]

so if we bring in justin griffith from atlanta than he should feel right at home behind him right? ^5

Griffith doesn't block like Neal and our OL doesn't have the size to bust open huge holes up the gut like SD's does. Our scheme requires vision and recognition, Turner has done nothing to show me he has exceptional skills there deserving of a healthy contract along with draft pick compensation (for our most powerful division rival) to acquire him.

I'd rather pursue Ladell Betts and I think he's pretty scrubalicous as well.

The only veteran RBs we should pursue are Ricky Williams (if he's cut or we can trade a late '08 pick for him), Jamal Lewis (only if he's cut) and Dominic Rhodes. Even then any of those guys would have to be on a reasonable contract and would still only be part of the solution. The only stud feature back options out there is trading for Thomas Jones, who'd only be a three year stop gap, or drafting Peterson/Lynch, other than that we're assembling another mish mash stable and we're better off doing that without giving up picks or big long term contracts.


You have officially gone Orange4Life on this guy. He will be a FB and will have to gain the wieght back he lost. I would take him on the second day but I'm not sure he will be there.He ran in the mid 4.5's when he weighed in the high 230's/low 240s. If he can run a mid 4.4 at 229 pounds I don't see why he wouldn't be a very appealing HB option.

[socalorado]

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I'd rather pursue Ladell Betts and I think he's pretty scrubalicous as well.


i agree. Now that would be a backfield. We should pusue him simply based on the fact that Wash. Does not have a 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the draft. However they DO have Portis and Duckett, so give them a 2nd for Betts and trade Tatum to any taker for a 2nd or 3rd. ( we then have 3 3rd round picks if we got a 3rd for him.) This solves our Power RB position, and coupled with M Bell, makes a brutal 1-2 punch. I think the NYG, GB, or even DET would be willing to take Tatum for at least a 3rd?

[Drek]

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I'd rather pursue Ladell Betts and I think he's pretty scrubalicous as well.


i agree. Now that would be a backfield. We should pusue him simply based on the fact that Wash. Does not have a 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the draft. However they DO have Portis and Duckett, so give them a 2nd for Betts and trade Tatum to any taker for a 2nd or 3rd. ( we then have 3 3rd round picks if we got a 3rd for him.) This solves our Power RB position, and coupled with M Bell, makes a brutal 1-2 punch. I think the NYG, GB, or even DET would be willing to take Tatum for at least a 3rd?

I think you missed what I bolded. Betts is a scrub. Mediocrity defined. He's not worth a second, or a third for that matter. We also won't be getting a 2nd out of Tatum, best we'll get there is a mid 3rd unless Shanahan pulls off a Champ/Portis level rape job.

Just because giving a 2nd for Betts or Turner are options doesn't make them good options. They aren't exceptional players, why waste first day picks on stop gaps who Mike Bell could very likely beat out in camp? The only way we should be investing heavily in an RB is if we're getting Peterson, Lynch, or some team inexplicably decides to dump a good, proven RB. Other than that we should grab a proven vet for a reclamation project, think Jamal Lewis, Ricky Williams, or Ahman Green, with a late first/early second rookie to battle with Mike Bell, and Tatum if we can't get a 3rd out of him. See if we land a diamond in the rough with Mike or said rookie, barring that let the veteran churn out a 1K yardage season and address the position early in the '08 draft which should be much better for RBs.

[socalorado]

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The only way we should be investing heavily in an RB is if we're getting Peterson, Lynch, or some team inexplicably decides to dump a good, proven RB. Other than that we should grab a proven vet for a reclamation project, think Jamal Lewis, Ricky Williams, or Ahman Green, with a late first/early second rookie to battle with Mike Bell, and Tatum if we can't get a 3rd out of him. See if we land a diamond in the rough with Mike or said rookie, barring that let the veteran churn out a 1K yardage season and address the position early in the '08 draft which should be much better for RBs.

You have placed waaay tooo much on the shoulders of M Bell. He is not a full time 25 -30 carries a game for the season back. Guy WILL NOT get us tough yards period. Ladell Betts a scub!!! Thats funny, has great power for short yard gains, can block w the best, and can catch out of the backfield. Rushed for over a 100 yrds every game he started last year except for the last game of the season (96yrds). Yeah..... we should just go with one of the weak class of RBs that are in the draft instead of a proven POWER back. ( please dont try to sell me on the Broncos trading up for either AP or Lynch- now thats a pipe dream!)<!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->

[Drek]

Hence signing a proven veteran as our safety net.

A lot of backs can show up and have a good finish to a season, Betts has done nothing to prove himself an every down, full season, feature back worth a first day pick.

We won't be getting Peterson or Lynch, but we also won't be wasting valuable picks on mediocrity like Betts and Turner. We'll target a veteran RB early, draft a mid-round RB project, and let them work it out in camp. If we can't get the veteran we'll keep Tatum around and trot out the same backfield as last year plus the afore mentioned rookie.

[12th man]

I've pretty much resigned myself, like many others here, that Tatum Bell simply isn't the long term answer for us at running back. That being said, I've talked to a couple people and the general feeling is Denver will be going after a long term running back in this draft.

So my questions for you draft experts is what running backs will likely be available on the first day and how do they break down?

He probably won't be a first day pick, but I would love to get Brandon Jackson ad one of those late round gems that we get. You know how good he is because you are a husker fan.

For those of you who don't know, he was first team all big twelve this year, had around 980 yards rushing and 8 td's all the while sharing some time with three other backs. His best attribute has to be his power. He can run over people, break tackles, and move piles. I kind of would like for him to be a little faster but he still has pretty decent speed.

Here is a higlight video of him.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n7LqfRdnT0I

[SpringStein]

A potential FA that isn't getting much attention that I like is Marcel Shipp. He's played well when given a chance and is pretty powerful.

[mattob14]

He probably won't be a first day pick, but I would love to get Brandon Jackson ad one of those late round gems that we get. You know how good he is because you are a husker fan.

For those of you who don't know, he was first team all big twelve this year, had around 980 yards rushing and 8 td's all the while sharing some time with three other backs. His best attribute has to be his power. He can run over people, break tackles, and move piles. I kind of would like for him to be a little faster but he still has pretty decent speed.

Here is a higlight video of him.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n7LqfRdnT0I

I'm in. Watching that video, he looks to be a better fit for the Broncos offense than Lynch. I'm not saying he's a better player by any means, but his cuts kept him moving upfield, there wasn't much hesitation in his game and the speed didn't look all that bad. Definitely the North-South style Shanahan prefers. He showed pretty good hands on a couple of those plays, too. He didn't get the exposure he could have since he gained the starting job late and I don't think he'll be a combine star, but this guy could be a big-time steal if we could get him near the end of Day 1.

[DBroncos4life]

Brandon Jackson will be the second best back out of this draft. :~ohyah!:

[Barry Ramey]

Brandon Jackson is someone to look at. Has good size and enough speed I think to be very good.

Shipp is about like Mike Bell where he doesn't have geat speed, so I don't know if they need to add him to the team.

The Skins are shopping Portis, so I don't know why they would trade Betts who would be their #1 RB.

I really like Brian Leonard. I don't know if he would do well in the Bronco scheme or not, but he is impressive with his overall game and toughness.

[Broncoman13]

I'm still in favor of trading (up to) a 3rd to the Jags for Fred Taylor. He may be 30 years old, but he still has great quickness and is a big strong back. He totes the injury tag, but he most likely won't carry the ball more than 20 times a game and I have confidence that guys like Mike Bell, Nash, and Tatum can carry the load on a limited game to game basis. The only question I have about Fred Taylor is what kind of deal will he be looking for? I've heard that he wants to be in the $5m per year range.

[socalorado]

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The Skins are shopping Portis, so I don't know why they would trade Betts who would be their #1 RB.


Thats funny cause according to some, hes not worthy of the #1 spot, maybe mop up duty but thats all. Of course they also have Duckett and a nutty owner whos desperate for draft picks after all the crazy moves he made.
Betts AND Turner are both way more worthy than any of the weak Rbs in this years draft. Oh and M Bell, Ahhh no not going to get it done. Our running game seriously suffers if we go with those guys again.

[cmhargrove]

He probably won't be a first day pick, but I would love to get Brandon Jackson ad one of those late round gems that we get. You know how good he is because you are a husker fan.

For those of you who don't know, he was first team all big twelve this year, had around 980 yards rushing and 8 td's all the while sharing some time with three other backs. His best attribute has to be his power. He can run over people, break tackles, and move piles. I kind of would like for him to be a little faster but he still has pretty decent speed.

Here is a higlight video of him.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n7LqfRdnT0I

I'm not saying this kid won't be great, but the video should really be about the Nebraska offensive line. Almost every run has him running through a Mack truck sized hole, then getting taken down by the first tackler with good positioning.
The video of Lynch looks like he makes more people miss, finds more holes, and finishes better. He has a wierd bowl-legged style, but the results are there. Lynch just looks like an individual playmaker. I think you really need that quality in a feature back.

[TheChamp24]

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The Skins are shopping Portis, so I don't know why they would trade Betts who would be their #1 RB.


Thats funny cause according to some, hes not worthy of the #1 spot, maybe mop up duty but thats all. Of course they also have Duckett and a nutty owner whos desperate for draft picks after all the crazy moves he made.
Betts AND Turner are both way more worthy than any of the weak Rbs in this years draft. Oh and M Bell, Ahhh no not going to get it done. Our running game seriously suffers if we go with those guys again.

Dude, you crack me up. Why trade a 2nd round pick for guys who haven't proven they are starting RB's in the NFL? I don't think neither Turner or Betts is worth a 1st or 2nd. Maybe a 3rd if we needed a starting RB.
Don't you know you build your team THROUGH the draft? We need these picks. And I'd rather have Peterson and Lynch than Turner or Betts. Betts will be 28 by the start of the season and before last season, never even attempted 100 carries in a season. Turner benefits from LT and Neal so much.
I don't understand why you think Mike Bell is horrible. He isn't, he is actually a pretty tough runner. I think our biggest problem last year was the injury to Lepsis, as well as the injuries to our FB's, that made our running game look worse than it was.
Personally, I don't think we need to invest in a RB in the 1st or 2nd round, unless someone falls into our lap. I'd rather go DL, OT or S in the 1st 2 rounds than spend a pick on a RB, unless Peterson falls.

[socalorado]

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Dude, you crack me up. Why trade a 2nd round pick for guys who haven't proven they are starting RB's in the NFL? I don't think neither Turner or Betts is worth a 1st or 2nd. Maybe a 3rd if we needed a starting RB.
Don't you know you build your team THROUGH the draft? We need these picks. And I'd rather have Peterson and Lynch than Turner or Betts. Betts will be 28 by the start of the season and before last season, never even attempted 100 carries in a season. Turner benefits from LT and Neal so much.
I don't understand why you think Mike Bell is horrible. He isn't, he is actually a pretty tough runner. I think our biggest problem last year was the injury to Lepsis, as well as the injuries to our FB's, that made our running game look worse than it was.
Personally, I don't think we need to invest in a RB in the 1st or 2nd round, unless someone falls into our lap. I'd rather go DL, OT or S in the 1st 2 rounds than spend a pick on a RB, unless Peterson falls.


No no i dont think that M Bell is BAD! I think hes a pretty good runner who benefits from our system. ( like a few before him)
I also think that there is major issues with the only 2 worthy RBs in the draft that would be considered "franchise backs" IMHO.(AP, Lynch)
So what to do? I dont think Bell is gonna be able to get the tough yards, and his blocking is HORRIBLE!!! I mean BAD, real bad.... gets thrown around like a rag doll..
Here is my point ( if there is one) i want a POWER back who can do it all.
Someone who can RUN, CATCH, BLOCK. Blocking for our expensive QB or catching as a safety on broken plays, this to me is as important as just running up the gut ya know?
I see this in AP but jeez do you really think we can get this guy? I am warming up to Lynch, but there are all kinds of issues with him as well and we have to trade up. so i am just thinking, OK who else is out there that we can use who will excel? (run, catch, block). Others in the draft? hmmmm no we already got guys on the team with as much potential. (cobbs, nash)
So my thought is go out and get a guy like Turner. Yeah maybe he did benefit, but cmon, the guys talented, has the right size, can BLOCK, and is known to be a BETTER inside runner than LT! I dont want to give up a 1st for him, but this draft is weak and so is our running game. If we get a 3rd for Tatum/Plummer/Foster/Whatever we really didnt lose that much in the process. But yeah i guess your right, dont break the bank for the these guys, but make an attempt for sure.
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[chaz]

Brandon Jackson will be the second best back out of this draft. :~ohyah!:

he surprised a lot of people by coming out this year...a lot of draft experts had him in the top half of the first round of 08

[TheChamp24]

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No no i dont think that M Bell is BAD! I think hes a pretty good runner who benefits from our system. ( like a few before him)
I also think that there is major issues with the only 2 worthy RBs in the draft that would be considered "franchise backs" IMHO.(AP, Lynch)
So what to do? I dont think Bell is gonna be able to get the tough yards, and his blocking is HORRIBLE!!! I mean BAD, real bad.... gets thrown around like a rag doll..
Here is my point ( if there is one) i want a POWER back who can do it all.
Someone who can RUN, CATCH, BLOCK. Blocking for our expensive QB or catching as a safety on broken plays, this to me is as important as just running up the gut ya know?
I see this in AP but jeez do you really think we can get this guy? I am warming up to Lynch, but there are all kinds of issues with him as well and we have to trade up. so i am just thinking, OK who else is out there that we can use who will excel? (run, catch, block). Others in the draft? hmmmm no we already got guys on the team with as much potential. (cobbs, nash)
So my thought is go out and get a guy like Turner. Yeah maybe he did benefit, but cmon, the guys talented, has the right size, can BLOCK, and is known to be a BETTER inside runner than LT! I dont want to give up a 1st for him, but this draft is weak and so is our running game. If we get a 3rd for Tatum/Plummer/Foster/Whatever we really didnt lose that much in the process. But yeah i guess your right, dont break the bank for the these guys, but make an attempt for sure.
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One thing, I never saw Turner have to block, so I can't really comment on that. I don't think our RB situation is as bas as you may think. Most rookie RB's aren't very good blockers on pass protection. Give Bell time and he will do the job, I remember Portis used to be horrible but he came around.
And for catching, we don't use our backs for receiving, that just isn't our style. We don't need a RB who can catch really good. I think given the chance, Mike could be a good "do it all" RB, who can get the tough yards in situations. It sounds to me really you have no faith in Mike to be the starting RB. I think he may be able to get it done.
I really think unless we can get Peterson, to not get a RB on the first day. And no to trading for Turner or Betts. It would be stupid IMO to give up a 1st, 2nd or high 3rd round pick for an unproven RB when we could use those picks to spend on more pressing needs, such as DE, DT, OL and S.

[Rohirrim]

It was funny listening to that Shanahan press conference. He doesn't seem to be too tired with Tatum. In fact, he pointed out that Tatum was getting more yards per carry than Maroney. Of course, maybe that's just pump up the trade talk, but I don't know.

[elsid13]

No no i dont think that M Bell is BAD! I think hes a pretty good runner who benefits from our system. ( like a few before him)
I also think that there is major issues with the only 2 worthy RBs in the draft that would be considered "franchise backs" IMHO.(AP, Lynch)
So what to do? I dont think Bell is gonna be able to get the tough yards, and his blocking is HORRIBLE!!! I mean BAD, real bad.... gets thrown around like a rag doll..


I really confused with your statement, Mike Bell was really good in pass blocking, that reason Shanahan and Turner continue to put him as the 3rd down back. He had one bad block the 1st game of the season when broke his finger because he didn't realize how fast Little was, but beside that I really don't remember him having a bad game.

Portis said the hardest part of playing in the Bronco's offense was learning the blocking scheme as rookie, and the only reason he was successful was because Mike Anderson, knew what the RB needed to do and was in the back field with him. The guy was a rookie I don't understand why people continue to treat him like he been in the system for last 5 years.

[Rascal]

Wow. Didn't notice this before but Leonard weighed in at 224. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/weighin.html

IMO that hurts his stock because he doesn't have the quickness for a HB, and it looks like he doesn't have the size for a true FB.

[chaz]

Wow. Didn't notice this before but Leonard weighed in at 224. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/weighin.html

IMO that hurts his stock because he doesn't have the quickness for a HB, and it looks like he doesn't have the size for a true FB.

he supposedly can run in the 4.4's at 224....tahts is a big man moving pretty damn fast in my opinion....

[fontaine]

I'm not saying this kid won't be great, but the video should really be about the Nebraska offensive line. Almost every run has him running through a Mack truck sized hole, then getting taken down by the first tackler with good positioning.

Exactly. If that's his highlight video then I can see why he's not a highly touted prospect.

He's getting ankle tackled, showed ZERO open field moves, didn't break tackles and doesn't look shifty, or quick.

He does have nice vision to pick out holes but like you said the OL was creating huge gaps.

Sorry, but we've already got a better back in Mike Bell here and he's a backup.

[Drek]

Wow. Didn't notice this before but Leonard weighed in at 224. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/weighin.html

IMO that hurts his stock because he doesn't have the quickness for a HB, and it looks like he doesn't have the size for a true FB.

Thats a case of nearly year old 40's coupled with his senior bowl weigh in. For what its worth his high/low/average by NFL Draft Scout was 4.62/4.52/4.56, still old numbers though, from his old playing weight.

He's a guy to watch at the combine. He was very explosive and athletic playing at 235-240, if dropping the weight gives him better speed he could really lock up a mid 2nd round selection. I don't think his stock can take him much higher than that since there's so much DL and WR depth in this class, but if he really freaks out at the combine I could see a tail end of the first pick used on him.

It is a risk though, if he doesn't impress at the combine he'll sink like a stone now that he's below standard FB weight. But I think he's got his eyes on HB, which is more akin to the role he played in college, especially before they had Ray Rice.

[socalorado]

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I really confused with your statement, Mike Bell was really good in pass blocking, that reason Shanahan and Turner continue to put him as the 3rd down back. He had one bad block the 1st game of the season when broke his finger because he didn't realize how fast Little was, but beside that I really don't remember him having a bad game


Mike Bell GOOD in pass blocking? Hey i dont know if you watched any of our games, but our highly expensive, highly talented, full of potential QB spent most of the time on his ass! Yeah he got sacked waaay tooo much. Most of it was due to poor blocking by our RBs. Last game of the season, he suffered a freakin concussion because of this POOR pass protection. If you can just blow this off and come up with some shallow reason such as "oh Foster sucks, it was all his fault" or " we also had a rookie TE out there so.....you know sh!@t happens" That just wont do for me. Yeah Foster isnt the best, and i know that he WAS a rookie, but M Bell is not a BIG enough every down back. If we had MA back there just blocking ? we win 2 more games for sure. (not because of the running yards, but his blocking alone gives Cutler time downfield) You hit the nail on the head! MA was a GOOD blocker! Even his rookie year he was good. Remember ROOKIE OF THE YEAR? He also was a GOOD short yardage back-got the TOUGH yards period. Thats what we need.

[elsid13]

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I really confused with your statement, Mike Bell was really good in pass blocking, that reason Shanahan and Turner continue to put him as the 3rd down back. He had one bad block the 1st game of the season when broke his finger because he didn't realize how fast Little was, but beside that I really don't remember him having a bad game


Mike Bell GOOD in pass blocking? Hey i dont know if you watched any of our games, but our highly expensive, highly talented, full of potential QB spent most of the time on his ass! Yeah he got sacked waaay tooo much. Most of it was due to poor blocking by our RBs. Last game of the season, he suffered a freakin concussion because of this POOR pass protection. If you can just blow this off and come up with some shallow reason such as "oh Foster sucks, it was all his fault" or " we also had a rookie TE out there so.....you know sh!@t happens" That just wont do for me. Yeah Foster isnt the best, and i know that he WAS a rookie, but M Bell is not a BIG enough every down back. If we had MA back there just blocking ? we win 2 more games for sure. (not because of the running yards, but his blocking alone gives Cutler time downfield) You hit the nail on the head! MA was a GOOD blocker! Even his rookie year he was good. Remember ROOKIE OF THE YEAR? He also was a GOOD short yardage back-got the TOUGH yards period. Thats what we need.


Dude, Mike Bell wasn't in the SF game at that point when Cutler went down. That was on the right side of oline. Because only Steve Spurrier tries to have a constantly have RB block Defense linemen one on one in blocking scheme. Most teams expect their RB to pick up the blitzing LB and Safeties, not the DL.

Cutler went down 13 times in his starts and some of that was on the poor o-line play and some of that was on Cutler for holding the ball to long. Now, Portis wasn't the greatest blocker when he was rookie and neither was TD, or OG or MA. Both OG and Mike Anderson had Howard Griffin in the back field to help them and better oline. And Portis was able to lean on Anderson for help. It takes time for the guys to learn what to do, and pass blocking only work if the entire unit works together, especial when you run a zone blocking scheme with smaller linemen. If one piece of the unit brakes down, it really to see a problem.

And I don't real care if "That just wont do for me" because you just a fan, and the guys that know what the calls are - Turner, Dinger and Shanahan, - had faith enough to put the kid in. Or maybe your smarter then they are, in which case your genius is wasted on the mane.

It a internet message board and you have the right to your opinion, but throwing out statements like he sucks and he ain't big enough (guy is 6 foot about 210) without pointing to a game/play evidence doesn't prove your point.

[TheChamp24]

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I really confused with your statement, Mike Bell was really good in pass blocking, that reason Shanahan and Turner continue to put him as the 3rd down back. He had one bad block the 1st game of the season when broke his finger because he didn't realize how fast Little was, but beside that I really don't remember him having a bad game


Mike Bell GOOD in pass blocking? Hey i dont know if you watched any of our games, but our highly expensive, highly talented, full of potential QB spent most of the time on his ass! Yeah he got sacked waaay tooo much. Most of it was due to poor blocking by our RBs. Last game of the season, he suffered a freakin concussion because of this POOR pass protection. If you can just blow this off and come up with some shallow reason such as "oh Foster sucks, it was all his fault" or " we also had a rookie TE out there so.....you know sh!@t happens" That just wont do for me. Yeah Foster isnt the best, and i know that he WAS a rookie, but M Bell is not a BIG enough every down back. If we had MA back there just blocking ? we win 2 more games for sure. (not because of the running yards, but his blocking alone gives Cutler time downfield) You hit the nail on the head! MA was a GOOD blocker! Even his rookie year he was good. Remember ROOKIE OF THE YEAR? He also was a GOOD short yardage back-got the TOUGH yards period. Thats what we need.

So you are putting all the blame on Mike Bell? lol, that is funny. Like someone said, the concussion to Bell was NOT his fault. Good lord, get a clue. I honestly do not remember Anderson in his rookie year at blocking, that was 7 years ago. Do you have such a perfect memory or something? At the end of the year, Bell was doing an okay job. I think he could be that tough yardage back, but obviously you are so against him you don't even want him to be given the chance.

[yerner]

Kevin (San Marcos, TX): Hey Mel, do you think the Broncos will draft a full-time RB and, if so, which RBs best fit their system?

<!-- displayed mode -->http://espn-ak.starwave.com/i/sn2.gif Mel Kiper: I think Peterson would be great. He's a one-cut runner. A guy that hits it explosive. He'd be ideal for their system and I think they'll be aggressive in trying to get him. Of course, Mike Bell and Tatum Bell aren't Adrian Peterson, so when you have a chance to get a great back, you have to go for it. I think by the time we get into late March or early April, I think Peterson will be the buzz of this draft

[yerner]

Danny (Spring Hill,Florida): Hey Mel, I was wondering why Adrian Peterson's stock is higher than Marshawn Lynch's, I mean Peterson has Durability problems like you pointed out and other people would say the Falcons or another team would pounce on Peterson if he were availble, but why not for Lynch. this has been bugging me for about 2 months now. Thanks and can't wait till I start seeing you on ESPN again for draft talk

<!-- displayed mode -->http://espn-ak.starwave.com/i/sn2.gif Mel Kiper: Appreciate the comments. In terms of Peterson, he's just a better overall talent. He's going to run a 4.37 40...with a 38" vertical, 8% body fat and he's been considered the best-conditioned athlete on OU's team and he's very talented. Some guys come into the NFL with injury histories and never get hurt again. Lynch doesn't make guys miss as much. He's more of a pounder, difficult to tackle, a lot of yards after contact. His 34 receptions matched his total for the previous two seasons combined. I just think Peterson's skill level is higher. Peterson could go as early as 3 or 4, while Lynch will go in the middle of the first round, like 16 to Green Bay.

[yerner]

If Peterson runs a 4.37, WOW. Maybe trading up isn't that bad of an idea.

[Rohirrim]

If Peterson runs a 4.37, WOW. Maybe trading up isn't that bad of an idea.

The Broncos would have to pull a Ditka to get AD.

[socalorado]

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Dude, Mike Bell wasn't in the SF game at that point when Cutler went down. That was on the right side of oline. Because only Steve Spurrier tries to have a constantly have RB block Defense linemen one on one in blocking scheme. Most teams expect their RB to pick up the blitzing LB and Safeties, not the DL.

Cutler went down 13 times in his starts and some of that was on the poor o-line play and some of that was on Cutler for holding the ball to long. Now, Portis wasn't the greatest blocker when he was rookie and neither was TD, or OG or MA. Both OG and Mike Anderson had Howard Griffin in the back field to help them and better oline. And Portis was able to lean on Anderson for help. It takes time for the guys to learn what to do, and pass blocking only work if the entire unit works together, especial when you run a zone blocking scheme with smaller linemen. If one piece of the unit brakes down, it really to see a problem.

And I don't real care if "That just wont do for me" because you just a fan, and the guys that know what the calls are - Turner, Dinger and Shanahan, - had faith enough to put the kid in. Or maybe your smarter then they are, in which case your genius is wasted on the mane.


So your saying that the reason he was sacked soo much was just due to the oline and holding the ball too long. Ok with that line of thought apparently your of the opinion that RBs picking up the blitz or helping to block out DEs is just sort of optional. MA was not only known for getting tough yards and working his a$$ off (MBell is also known for a great work ethic) but MA was one of the best in pass protection, which gave all of the
no-name QBs that we've had standing "too long" back there to survey the field and make the throw. Thats what i mean when i say "that just wont do"
Any coach would demand this from his RB just as much as running for big yards in a game. NO, M Bell did not block well for our QB. Was it all his fault? Of course not, but we can sure as hell do better without breaking the bank for a RB that can do it all. I am not saying trade the guy, i never have wanted to trade M Bell. I just dont think he can do it all, Run, Catch, and Block for a whole game. There are other IMHO better options out there for the Broncos. What, just cause i disagree with the coaching staffs decision to put in another no-name scrub and get some yards in a couple of games makes my opinion better than theres? NO, Anyone can be critical of our team. Happens all day on this site. This topic has been driven into ground for ever now, and it will continue cause each person has an opinion.
Heres mine.... M Bell is not a RB that can Run, Catch and Block for a whole game on a consistent basis. (a whole season)

[Traveler]

The Broncos would have to pull a Ditka to get AD.

Or should that be the Broncos would have to take a Dicktka to get AD.ROFL!

[Drek]

Only way we should pursue Peterson is if we can get some value out of Plummer from Houston or Tampa Bay. If either one is willing to give late second/early third value for him we could potentially work a trade up that would still leave us with a 3rd rounder or two.

Then we could shop Tatum and Foster to hopefully return a late 3rd and a 4th, giving us some extra depth in the draft to address DL with.

It'll take a miracle though. Lots of teams were trying to crack the top 6 last year but no one was budging. You gotta do a move like that before a team can fall in love with their favorite picks, otherwise you're relying on someone else taking those favorites earlier on draft day.

[Dedhed]

If we're going to move up for a RB I would rather move up to 12-15 and get Lynch than I would move into the top 5-10 to get Peterson.

[Drek]

If we're going to move up for a RB I would rather move up to 12-15 and get Lynch than I would move into the top 5-10 to get Peterson.

Depends on the price difference. 12th overall is worth 1200 points on the standard DVC most use. If we got up that high somehow and Peterson slides to 7 or 8 wouldn't it be wise to use the 'skins 3rd to jump up and get the premier RB in the class?

I don't see it happening though. We just don't have the scratch to move up after Peterson and Lynch isn't worth moving up after. I'd rather sit at #21, see who falls to us, and prepare to bail out for an extra 2nd along with an '08 1st if the guys we want aren't available.