Reason # 10341 to hate Michael Irvin...

[Elway 4 Life]

My least favorite player of all time is spouting out more garbage. Man I hate this F-ing guy.

Talking to ESPN Radio's Dan Patrick, Michael Irvin said that Tony Romo's stellar play might be attributable, not to talent and hard work, but to black heritage. Irvin suggested there might have been "some brother down in that line somewhere." Since Romo is almost as white as I am, it is possible that Irvin was joking. But Patrick apparently didn't think so and asked Irvin if black heritage was mandatory for athletic prowess. "That's not the only way, but it's certainly one way," Irvin replied. "If great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandma pulled one of them studs up out of the barn ... `Come on in here for a second,' you know ... " Joke or not, by my count, that's offensive to blacks, whites, grandmothers and humanity in general. And if it was a joke, it's as unfunny as that Michael Richards' tirade. At this point, Irvin and ESPN have been silent on the issue though one hopes that Irvin will issue an apology on Sunday's NFL pre-game show. And let's hope it's not one of those phony "if I offended anyone" apologies. But the networks who hire people like Irvin are the ones who should be apologizing, and not just ESPN.

Posted November 24, by Ben Maller
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[AFCWestFan]

He could be elected to Congress in NY or Mass.

[GonzoLays]

eh. Much ado about nothing. You guys just want a reason to hate Mike and will twist anything to fit your agenda.

It was obviously a joke. And besides, what did he say that was so bad? "He's got a little brother in him" Give me a break.

People need to loosen up their ties a little bit.

[Dukes]

eh. Much ado about nothing. You guys just want a reason to hate Mike and will twist anything to fit your agenda.

It was obviously a joke. And besides, what did he say that was so bad? "He's got a little brother in him" Give me a break.

People need to loosen up their ties a little bit.

It's a double standard that exists that is just sickening

[-Slap-]

My least favorite player of all time is spouting out more garbage. Man I hate this F-ing guy.

Talking to ESPN Radio's Dan Patrick, Michael Irvin said that Tony Romo's stellar play might be attributable, not to talent and hard work, but to black heritage. Irvin suggested there might have been "some brother down in that line somewhere." Since Romo is almost as white as I am, it is possible that Irvin was joking. But Patrick apparently didn't think so and asked Irvin if black heritage was mandatory for athletic prowess. "That's not the only way, but it's certainly one way," Irvin replied. "If great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandma pulled one of them studs up out of the barn ... `Come on in here for a second,' you know ... " Joke or not, by my count, that's offensive to blacks, whites, grandmothers and humanity in general. And if it was a joke, it's as unfunny as that Michael Richards' tirade. At this point, Irvin and ESPN have been silent on the issue though one hopes that Irvin will issue an apology on Sunday's NFL pre-game show. And let's hope it's not one of those phony "if I offended anyone" apologies. But the networks who hire people like Irvin are the ones who should be apologizing, and not just ESPN.

Posted November 24, by Ben Maller
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It does kind of harken back to Jimmy the Greek's take on eugenics. Obviously, Irvin's mood was light, but the perception that being black automatically makes you a better athlete is only tolerable in public when advanced by a black person.

This is something you might want to just get used to as part of modern culture in this country. People of color are much more free to give opinions on matters of race than white people. Especially in any forum that generates media coverage.

The usual institutionalized kinds of racism that are designed to screw minorities still exist in the real world, but the American media keeps a tight rein on our celebrities. Absurdly comical, but ultimately very sad.

[Elway 4 Life]

eh. Much ado about nothing. You guys just want a reason to hate Mike and will twist anything to fit your agenda.

It was obviously a joke. And besides, what did he say that was so bad? "He's got a little brother in him" Give me a break.

People need to loosen up their ties a little bit.

It's really not hard to hate him. I don't really need another reason to hate him he's given me so many over the years.

[Taco John]

It's stupid. Reverse the situation and have a physics professor commenting that a bright student is excelling because of the quarter Jew that is in him. They guy loses his job and tenure right quickly in that situation.

[AFCWestFan]

I dont recall many Jews in any of my Physics classes.

[Popps]

That just sounds like something you could overhear in any living room in America on any given Sunday. Didn't sound hateful in nature and was more silly, than anything.

I mean, it's not really appropriate for the forum, but c'mon, people. Get over it a little bit. Races are different and sometimes that brings out some humorous aspects.


My wife is half-Japanese, which makes my daughter 1/4th Asian. Which, means my son is 1/4th Asian, which means I'm the only white person in the house. Now, if you don't think I have a field day with that, you're crazy!

It's great, any time anyone is mad at me, I just pull the race card. :)

My wife regularly apologizes to our son for not passing on the "math" gene to him.

LOL

[GonzoLays]

It's stupid. Reverse the situation and have a physics professor commenting that a bright student is excelling because of the quarter Jew that is in him. They guy loses his job and tenure right quickly in that situation.

See, Ben Mahler has you twisted. All Irvin said was Romo has "some brother down in that line somewhere." Ben Mahler then proceeded to put thoughts in your head that Romo's stellar play has been attributed to black genes, not hard work. When did Mike say that? He didn't. When he was asked whether have black heritage is mandatory for being a great athlete he responded with, "That's not the only way, but it's certainly one way..." He didn't say "yes."

Where are you getting this "professor says a student is bright because he is a quarter jewish" crap from? You may believe that since it is coming out in your posts, but to relate that absurd statement to what Irvin said is illogical.

Besides Jew is not a race. People don't ask "is he white, black, brown, yellow or Jewish?"

[jimmy_jim420]

I dont recall many Jews in any of my Physics classes.


I'm Jewish and I've forgotten 10x more about physics than you've ever known.

Next, please.

[Northman]

eh. Much ado about nothing. You guys just want a reason to hate Mike and will twist anything to fit your agenda.

It was obviously a joke. And besides, what did he say that was so bad? "He's got a little brother in him" Give me a break.

People need to loosen up their ties a little bit.




Yea, i say the same thing when someone cracks a black joke.

[watermock]

Why bother with it. Irvin has been a complete idiot for years and can do no wrong...he gets to yell as much as Steven A. Douchebag.

[PLOWHORSE]

I'm Jewish and I've forgotten 10x more about physics than you've ever known.

Next, please.

Yeah, and that Anthony Michael Hall character in Bfast Club was Jewish too.

"What do you do in the physics club??" asked Judd Nelsons' character.

"study physics..principles of physics" he replied.

[GonzoLays]

This thread reminds of a Chris Rock skit:


Racism everywhere, everybody pissed off.
Black people yelling, ''Racism.''

White people yelling, ''Reverse racism.''

Chinese people yelling, ''Sideways racism!''

And the lndians ain't yelling ****
'cause they dead.

So everybody bitch about
how bad their people got it.

Racism everywhere.
Who's the maddest people? White people.

Not y'all. Y'all all right.

You paid money to see me, we cool.

The feud is over.

No, you watch the TV, watch Minutes.
You see white people pissed off, man.

Man, the white man thinks
he's losing the country.

You watch the news: ''We're losing
everything. We're ****ing losing.

''Affirmative action, and illegal aliens...

''and we're ****ing losing the country.''

Losing? Shut the **** up.
White people ain't losing ****.



lf y'all losing, who's winning?

[GonzoLays]

If a white man made the same comment, he would be immediately fired.

I don't remember George Bennett getting fired after this comment:

Bennett, who held prominent posts in the administrations of former presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, told a caller to his syndicated radio talk show Wednesday: “If you wanted to reduce crime, you could—if that were your sole purpose—you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down.

So where does this so-called double standard take effect? If a man can say kill all black babies and still keep his job, I say the arena to speak your mind is fair to all races.

[Kaylore]

He could be elected to Congress in NY or Mass.

:spit:

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On one hand, you have take into account the tone of the show and most radio sports shows allow a bit of latitude.

The knuckleheads on the Out Of Bounds radio show are constantly using off color racist jokes, but nobody cares because the basic premise of the show is to be somewhat shocking.

http://www.foxsportsmerced.com/images/SHEMANWASHINGTONCREW.jpg
Former Cowboy James Washington,
Eddie Garcia and Craig Shemon

Crappy radio, but only offensive if you tune in and decide you want to be offended.

I think a guy like Irvin says so many ignorant things it would be kind of cruel to call him out on every one anyway.

[-Slap-]

Who was the college football coach who recently got into hot water because he "didn't have enough fast black kids" on the roster?

Obviously, a college coach is, by extension, an educator, and should be held to a higher standard, but I would still like to refresh the particulars of that incident.

[watermock]

I don't remember George Bennett getting fired after this comment:

Bennett, who held prominent posts in the administrations of former presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, told a caller to his syndicated radio talk show Wednesday: “If you wanted to reduce crime, you could—if that were your sole purpose—you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down.

Well then he should get fired. I doesn't change Irvin's comments whatsoever...your being deflectionary.

You might put a link on that as well because I think it might have more on it. but this isn't about George Bennett.

[GonzoLays]

He could be elected to Congress in NY or Mass.

Wasn't it George Allen, a republican congressman from Virginia, that called an asian-american reporter a "monkey" twice? And no, that did not cost him the race. His constituents could care less about those comments.

[jimmy_jim420]

Yeah, and that Anthony Michael Hall character in Bfast Club was Jewish too.

"What do you do in the physics club??" asked Judd Nelsons' character.

"study physics..principles of physics" he replied.


Let's not forget about 30+ nobel prize winners in physics. Names like Einstein, Oppenheimer, Feynman, Finklestein, Kahn, etc... essentially a who's who of all disciplines of physics. But yea, since some idiot kid doesn't have any Jews in his algebra based highschool physics class, they must not be any good at physics. ****ing retard.

[GonzoLays]

Well then he should get fired. I doesn't change Irvin's comments whatsoever...your being deflectionary.

You might put a link on that as well because I think it might have more on it. but this isn't about George Bennett.

No, your comment was "If a white man said the same thing, he would fired immediately." I simply posted an instance of a white man saying kill all black babies and he kept his job. That's the only reason I posted the comment.

[watermock]

"That would be an impossibly ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down," he said.



"I was putting forward a hypothetical proposition. Put that forward. Examined it. And then said about it that it's morally reprehensible. To recommend abortion of an entire group of people in order to lower your crime rate is morally reprehensible. But this is what happens when you argue that the ends can justify the means," he told CNN.



http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/30/bennett.comments/

I'm not defending the comment at all. but put in the link, and complete his full comments.

nice paraphrasing.

[-Slap-]

Let's not forget about 30+ nobel prize winners in physics. Names like Einstein, Oppenheimer, Feynman, Finklestein, Kahn, etc... essentially a who's who of all disciplines of physics.

I would add Sandy Koufax' curveball to this list.

The standard bender deviates about 3.5 inches from a straight line, but Koufax had this 12-6 number that just fell right off the table.

The laws of physics were no match for him.

[watermock]

One other thing...he's responsible to his bosses just like Irvin.

I'm not going to defend Bennett, who is on a syndicated talk show...not the network pregame show.

You don't remember Jimmy the greek?

He basically said the same thing in shorter terms and was immediately fired.

This isn't about George Bennett anyway. He's not an announcer...he's a syndicated columnist...big difference. I'm not defending it...I'm saying that there is a difference.

[PLOWHORSE]

And don't forget Spielberg's addition to the physics question.

He made that kid fly on his bicycle in ET that defied all physics principles!:giggle:

[GonzoLays]

One other thing...he's responsible to his bosses just like Irvin.

I'm not going to defend Bennett, who is on a syndicated talk show...not the network pregame show.

You don't remember Jimmy the greek?

He basically said the same thing in shorter terms and was immediately fired.

This isn't about George Bennett anyway. He's not an announcer...he's a syndicated columnist...big difference. I'm not defending it...I'm saying that there is a difference.

But Mike said this on a radio show, not on ESPN TV.

Look at Andrew Young (african-american), who had to resign from a lucrative position at Wal-Mart for calling out Jews, Koreans and Arabs for having stores in black communities.

It's a two way street. You say something ****ed up enough in the right corporate environment, you get axed. Say something ****ed up in another arena, and you keep your job. Pretty simple.

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You don't remember Jimmy the greek?

He basically said the same thing in shorter terms and was immediately fired.


Worse than that, Jimmy the Greek was out to dinner with family and friends, and probably working on his third cocktail, when some asshole reporter stuck a microphone in his face and asked him what's the difference between white and black athletes. A much different scenario than going into a prepared radio interview. Anyway, the high school educated Snyder gave his off the cuff opinion and lost his career in 15 seconds.

Greek was fired immediately and branded a racist until the day he died. It was a disgusting spectacle.

[watermock]

Talking to ESPN Radio's Dan Patrick, Michael Irvin said that Tony Romo's stellar play might be attributable, not to talent and hard work, but to black heritage. Irvin suggested there might have been "some brother down in that line somewhere." Since Romo is almost as white as I am, it is possible that Irvin was joking. But Patrick apparently didn't think so and asked Irvin if black heritage was mandatory for athletic prowess. "That's not the only way, but it's certainly one way," Irvin replied. "If great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandma pulled one of them studs up out of the barn

Now your going to tell me Dan Patrick and Michael "crack" Irvin don't work for ESPN.

You didn't qualify where the comment came from at all. How as I to know. The fact is it WAS on ESPN Radio.

Next

[-Slap-]

I think the level of vindictiveness is pretty disappointing. A guy like Al Campanis or Jimmy the Greek can make a dumb comment and people will picket to see him lose his job. There's no reaching out to educate an uninformed person from an ignorant viewpoint. Not good enough, there must be a pound of flesh everytime.

What does anybody gain from that?

Maybe the next person in the job will be more circumspect with their racist opinions. There's progress for you.

[Priest Dante]

I think white people complaing about Irvin's racism is racist!

[Priest Dante]

Dude's a coke monkey, what do you expect?

[GonzoLays]

Now your going to tell me Dan Patrick and Michael "crack" Irvin don't work for ESPN.

You didn't qualify where the comment came from at all. How as I to know. The fact is it WAS on ESPN Radio.

Next

First of all, I don't see anything wrong with Irvin's comments. Second of all, I just showed you a prime example of a white man making a racist comment and keep his job. Remember, it was you who said:

If a white man said the samething, he would lose his job.

My quote from George Bennet proves otherwise. Plain and simple.

[watermock]

Michal Irvin's comment stands on it's own.

This is just a bunch of deflection. "It wasn't Network TV...Michael Bennett...Jimmy the Greek...ect.

It's funny, because Romo is as white as white can be...he's Italian due to the surname, but a very good and handsome man...(I'm not gay), and has played great. The insinuation Irvin made was obvious. He's not even a dark complection Italian. Whatever.

There was alot of trade between Italy and N. Africa for thousands of years...so what?

Because I'm 1/16 converted Jew make me a Hebrew?

She converted out of fear for her life.

[watermock]

First of all, I don't see anything wrong with Irvin's comments. Second of all, I just showed you a prime example of a white man making a racist comment and keep his job. Remember, it was you who said:

My quote from George Bennet proves otherwise. Plain and simple.

He's not a sports announcer dimwit.

You keep on trying to make me defend the comment. The fact is you didn't fully disclose the comment via a link proves quite a bit.

This really has nothing to do with any other comment. Every comment stands on it's own merits or dismerits.

Bennett is on a syndicated talk show dimwit...not ESPN...oh...you deflected that wasn't ESPN TV! How weak.

It was on ESPN RADIO...BFD.

[GonzoLays]

He's not a sports announcer dimwit.

Oh geez, you never said anything about sport announcers with your original comment.

If a white man said the samething, he would lose his job.

:wave:

[Barry Ramey]

Irvin is an idiot and he comes across as a stupid kid laughing at his own "jokes" on that ESPN pregame show. He's one reason why I don't watch it that much anymore, but anytime I switch to it, there's Irvin with that stupid chuckling laugh of his and blocking out what someone else is trying to say by the way. He's no funnier than Michael Richards.

[watermock]

For the last time...Bennett isn't getting my sympathy...the point is he's not a sport analyst. Or what is masquerading as one.

You don't get it. How long do you think Hannity would last as a sports analyst?

You can't defend the comment so you went to pathetic deflection and I called out out. What you were hoping for was for me to defend Bennet.

The amusing thing is you never attacked him...using the pathetic two wrongs make a right argument.

Again...Bennett is a syndicated columnist not assosiated at all with the NFL. He's a political columnist. Dimwit.

[banyon]

Well, Broncos or Chiefs fan, we can all agree that Michael Irvin may be the stupidest person ever to be handed a microphone.

[GonzoLays]

For the last time...Bennett isn't getting my sympathy...the point is he's not a sport analyst. Or what is masquerading as one.

You don't get it. How long do you think Hannity would last as a sports analyst?

You can't defend the comment so you went to pathetic deflection and I called out out. What you were hoping for was for me to defend Bennet.

The amusing thing is you never attacked him...using the pathetic two wrongs make a right argument.

Again...Bennett is a syndicated columnist not assosiated at all with the NFL. He's a political columnist. Dimwit.

If a white man said the samething, he would be fired.

:wave:

[-Slap-]

Well, Broncos or Chiefs fan, we can all agree that Michael Irvin may be the stupidest person ever to be handed a microphone.

Not with Bill Maas walking around.

[BMF Bronco]

As much as I hate Irvin, it was a ****ing joke, who cares! So considering I am a 50% mexican, 25% german and 25% Irishman, does that mean I should hate myself?! This **** is getting out of ****ing hand. **** this PC world!

[GonzoLays]

As much as I hate Irvin, it was a ****ing joke, who cares! So considering I am a 50% mexican, 25% german and 25% Irishman, does that mean I should hate myself?! This **** is getting out of ****ing hand. **** this PC world!

If it makes you feel any better BMF, if I were you, I would hate myself too! ;)

Whoomp there it is!

[-Slap-]

As much as I hate Irvin, it was a ****ing joke, who cares! So considering I am a 50% mexican, 25% german and 25% Irishman, does that mean I should hate myself?! This **** is getting out of ****ing hand. **** this PC world!

Holy ****. The three worst nationalities! No wonder you suck!

:)

[BMF Bronco]

If it makes you feel any better BMF, if I were you, I would hate myself too! ;)

Whoomp there it is!

LOL LOL LOL

You're such a prick, I don't know why I put up with your ass! 4321~ 4321~ 4321~ LOL LOL LOL

[BMF Bronco]

Holy ****. The three worst nationalities! No wonder you are such a drunk!

:)

fixed it for you

[Bronco Bob]

My least favorite player of all time is spouting out more garbage. Man I hate this F-ing guy.

Talking to ESPN Radio's Dan Patrick, Michael Irvin said that Tony Romo's stellar play might be attributable, not to talent and hard work, but to black heritage. Irvin suggested there might have been "some brother down in that line somewhere." Since Romo is almost as white as I am, it is possible that Irvin was joking. But Patrick apparently didn't think so and asked Irvin if black heritage was mandatory for athletic prowess. "That's not the only way, but it's certainly one way," Irvin replied. "If great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandma pulled one of them studs up out of the barn ... `Come on in here for a second,' you know ... " Joke or not, by my count, that's offensive to blacks, whites, grandmothers and humanity in general. And if it was a joke, it's as unfunny as that Michael Richards' tirade. At this point, Irvin and ESPN have been silent on the issue though one hopes that Irvin will issue an apology on Sunday's NFL pre-game show. And let's hope it's not one of those phony "if I offended anyone" apologies. But the networks who hire people like Irvin are the ones who should be apologizing, and not just ESPN.

Posted November 24, by Ben Maller
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If a white sportscaster had said that, he'd be in the unemployment like
as we speak.

[Bronco Bob]

He could be elected to Congress in NY or Mass.

People like you are as bad as Michael Irvin.

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fixed it for you

I'm Polish and Lithuanian. There's practically vodka in the baby bottle.

[BMF Bronco]

hmph, so much for me trying to lighten the mood around here.

How about this...

You're all a bunch of pricks?!

that better?

[Bronco Bob]

Wasn't it George Allen, a republican congressman from Virginia, that called an asian-american reporter a "monkey" twice? And no, that did not cost him the race. His constituents could care less about those comments.

Allen was a Repubican Senator, considered a good prospect to run for president
in 2008, and considered a shoe-in to win re-election to the Senate until
he made his macaca remark to a man of Indian descent. That he went
from a shoe-in to losing would seem to indicate to at least some of his
former constituents that he lacked good judgement if nothing else.