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Kaylore
11-24-2006, 02:39 PM
Frustration growing for Broncos
Questions abound, especially at QB, as Broncos stumble on both sides of ball in loss to Chiefs
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5166909,00.html

By Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News
November 24, 2006

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Joe Mahoney © Rocky Mountain News

Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer picks himself up after a sack and recovered fumble for a 7-yard loss in the fourth quarter against the Kansas City Chiefs. The Broncos’ Thanksgiving Day defeat at Arrowhead Stadium added to speculation about whether Plummer or backup Jay Cutler will start for the next game, against Seattle on Dec. 3. Coach Mike Shanahan wouldn’t say Thursday.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Broncos can feel free to dig in, buckle up and hang on, because here comes the extra helping of Thanksgiving leftovers in the coming days.

As in leftover, still unanswered, questions about a defense that hasn't kept the points off the board, questions about an offense that certainly isn't helping that defense's cause and, probably most topical to those who fill the seats at Invesco Field at Mile High for each home date, questions about just exactly who will be the Broncos quarterback when it's time to play the Seattle Seahawks in 10 days.

And all of that sits squarely under the umbrella of the Broncos having now slapped a rather large question mark next to their own postseason hopes with a 19-10 loss Thursday night to the Kansas City Chiefs in Arrowhead Stadium.

"Whatever happens, happens," quarterback Jake Plummer said. "(Thursday) we lost, I didn't make some plays. I can't say what's going to happen. All I know is I'm getting on the plane, take a few days off and if I'm still behind the trigger I'm going to play my (butt) off, hard as I can, like I always have."

The loss dropped the Broncos to 7-4, where they now sit tied with the Chiefs in the AFC West standings. The front-running Chargers (8-2) have a chance for a two-game lead Sunday when they face Oakland.

"It's disappointing," Broncos safety John Lynch said. " . . . We're accustomed to having more success. Now we're facing some adversity. I don't have a magic answer. We have to look at ourselves in the mirror and as a team decide what kind of team we want to be."

Yet, even with the other blemishes around him, rest assured all eyes, both near and far, will be looking behind center now as the Broncos' patience with Plummer appears to have run out. Broncos coach Mike Shanahan has given Plummer only lukewarm public endorsements in recent weeks and the Broncos are now in possession of a two-game losing streak that has put them squarely on the back end of the AFC playoff race.

After the game, Shanahan took a brief pause after asking for questions following his opening statement as a signal to leave the podium and return to the Broncos locker room with his plan at quarterback still publicly unanswered.

Then asked as he walked into the locker room what he planned to do at quarterback, Shanahan said, "You guys had your chance."

Asked again, about 45 minutes later inside the Broncos locker room, Shanahan said; "In 12 years I've answered questions, you guys had your chance, that was it, I'm not going to answer it now."

But the feeling among many in the organization is that Shanahan is ready to make the move to rookie Jay Cutler, who was the team's first-round pick in April to be the franchise quarterback of the future.

With the Broncos' growing frustration with their offensive output and consistency, the future is believed to be a week from Sunday against the Seahawks. The offense gained only 244 yards, was 4-for-12 on third-down conversions and, for the seventh time this season, ran fewer than 60 plays.

"I can try to control what I do on the field," Plummer said. "(I) battled (hard), just didn't make a few plays. I feel like I let the guys down, but a lot of guys feel that way so frustrated yeah, but don't quit. Keep pushing, keep fighting."

Plummer and Cutler said they had not been told of an impending change at quarterback. The Broncos players won't return to the practice field until Monday and won't have a team meeting until Monday as well.

"The media's going to come at it," Cutler said. "I just deal with it and move on."

Cutler did say he thought he could be ready if he was asked to play against the Seahawks.

"You don't get a lot of reps every day in practice. I haven't played since the preseason. If I do get in there I'll have to knock the rust off," Cutler said. "But it'll slow down as the game goes on."

Said Plummer: "I'm the starter right now. But if Mike wants to put Jay in there, then my play hasn't warranted him to not do it . . . (then) I have to go with it."

Plummer threw an interception — it was his 12th of the season compared with three interceptions at the same point last season — to end the Broncos' first possession of the game. Tight end Stephen Alexander tipped the pass, thrown behind him, Chiefs cornerback Ty Law snared the ball at the Broncos 46-yard line, and the Broncos never seemed to regain their balance.

But the Broncos still were in the hunt for a hard-earned win until Chiefs backup running back Michael Bennett's cracked off a 41-yard run with 4:39 to play in the game. That run finally snapped a Broncos defense that spent much of the second half on the field as the Chiefs held the ball for 35:02 in the game, 19:12 in the second half.

The Chiefs passed the 200-yard mark rushing on that battered Denver defense with more than 2 minutes to play, finished with 223 yards, with 157 of those coming from Larry Johnson.

"Missed tackles, missed assignments, it was all there," linebacker Al Wilson said. "It was all there."

Denver also had narrowed the gap to 13-10 earlier in the second half with a 1-yard touchdown pass from Plummer to Alexander with 6:21 left to play in the third quarter.

During that drive Plummer appeared to have thrown his second interception of the game with 10:01 left in the quarter — Patrick Surtain snagged the errant throw. But the Broncos got a reprieve when former Denver cornerback Lenny Walls was called for illegal contact on Broncos wide receiver David Kircus on the other side of the field.

So, the Broncos got the ball back, got the automatic first down and Plummer then tossed a 36-yard completion to Kircus on the next play — against Walls — and Denver scored eight plays later on a 1-yard pass from Plummer to Alexander.

The Broncos, though, got no closer as kicker Paul Ernster followed that with a kick out of bounds, which gave the ball to the Chiefs on their 40-yard line. Kansas City turned that into another field goal for a 16-10 lead and added their final field goal in the fourth quarter on what was their fourth drive of the night of at least 10 plays.

"We're still 7-4, which a lot of teams would like to be," Lynch said. "But momentum is not going our way; we have to do something to turn that."

Kaylore
11-24-2006, 02:41 PM
I saw that and I was shocked no one had the balls to ask him. It would have been the first question out of my mouth and the rest of the journalists just stood their with their jaws hanging open.

Dudeskey
11-24-2006, 02:44 PM
Collinsworth & Gumbel sure gave him the buisness last night... I was like, damn

freak6
11-24-2006, 02:48 PM
He gave his statement, asked for questions, and as the press was putting up thier hands or cautiously waiting for someone to ask the obvious question, he bolted!!! lol.

Popps
11-24-2006, 02:59 PM
I saw that and I was shocked no one had the balls to ask him. It would have been the first question out of my mouth and the rest of the journalists just stood their with their jaws hanging open.

Shocking... reporters with no balls?


Anyway, this team just has holes. It's a nice, B+ team that could go somewhere if we get some bounces and stay healthy. But, no one can be so blind as to think this is SOLEY QB-related at this point.

Jay Cutler is going to need help, too. Let's hope we get it for him.

Dudeskey
11-24-2006, 03:02 PM
Schefter's out there generating this buzz about Cutler possibly starting... why wasn't HE in the pressrom?

NFLBRONCO
11-24-2006, 03:14 PM
Shocking... reporters with no balls?


Anyway, this team just has holes. It's a nice, B+ team that could go somewhere if we get some bounces and stay healthy. But, no one can be so blind as to think this is SOLEY QB-related at this point.

Jay Cutler is going to need help, too. Let's hope we get it for him.

Nice post Popps I agree. I think why frustrations happen is QB issues and weaknesses in key areas. Our D needs DL and a S badly. Offense needs a STUD RB and TE.

24champ
11-25-2006, 02:50 AM
I saw that and I was shocked no one had the balls to ask him. It would have been the first question out of my mouth and the rest of the journalists just stood their with their jaws hanging open.

I just read this, I am stunned nobody asked the obvious question...

footstepsfrom#27
11-25-2006, 03:05 AM
The fact that he refused to answer the question when he got it later is a pretty good indication of what that answer is.

kappys
11-25-2006, 03:10 AM
Shocking... reporters with no balls?


Anyway, this team just has holes. It's a nice, B+ team that could go somewhere if we get some bounces and stay healthy. But, no one can be so blind as to think this is SOLEY QB-related at this point.

Jay Cutler is going to need help, too. Let's hope we get it for him.

I agree, but if Jay really is a diamond in the rough type of QB that could push this team to A level play. A defense can only play for so long before they wear down, and a injuries to guys on the line and to Fergueson + Brandon do little to help the situation. I have to believe some of the missed secondary assignments stemmed from that. You get a QB that can convert a few more third downs, maybe hold the ball an extra 5-10 minutes on offense and that can make all the difference in the world.

penguintheory
11-25-2006, 03:25 AM
if Jay really is a diamond in the rough type of QB

Ehh... I think it's safe to say that Jay has been expected to be a diamond, and certainly didn't come from "the rough"... but I agree with the rest of your post. God (Shanahan) knows what a few extra 3rd down conversions and a better TOP ratio would do for us.

Kaylore
11-25-2006, 03:42 AM
Ehh... I think it's safe to say that Jay has been expected to be a diamond, and certainly didn't come from "the rough"... but I agree with the rest of your post. God (Shanahan) knows what a few extra 3rd down conversions and a better TOP ratio would do for us.

I don't think you get the saying. All Diamonds are found in kimberlite pipes, huge columns of once molten rock that have cooled leaving shafts of carbon. Within in these carbons exists tremendous amounts of pressure and heat that over thousands of years compresses the carbon into a crystalline form we know as diamonds.

Out of the ground they look no different than quartz.
http://www.california-gold-rush-miner.us/images/diamond-3.07c.jpg
This is a rough diamond, or "diamond in the rough."

From there they are taken to a person that preps the stones with a very raw cut that features broad cuts in triangular shapes:
http://www.diamondsourceva.com/Education/images/rough-diamonds.jpg

After that they are taken to a master cuter, usually an old Jewish craftsman that further cuts the stones to maximize the number of stones that can be sold from the one. After careful crafting you will get a traditional diamond:
http://www.24carat.co.uk/images/diamond113cert92940gsi1roundbrilliant240.JPG

By this point the diamond has lost two thirds of its original weight by the end of each cutting process.

The point of this aside from educational purposes is that since all diamonds were rough at one time, a diamond in the rough is a saying for anything that is already of high value, but with care, has potential to be more.

Popps
11-25-2006, 04:03 AM
I agree, but if Jay really is a diamond in the rough type of QB that could push this team to A level play. A defense can only play for so long before they wear down, and a injuries to guys on the line and to Fergueson + Brandon do little to help the situation. I have to believe some of the missed secondary assignments stemmed from that. You get a QB that can convert a few more third downs, maybe hold the ball an extra 5-10 minutes on offense and that can make all the difference in the world.

No question, improved offensive output is going to help out the D. It did last year. But, at some point... our defense is still going to have to line up face to face with a top notch offense and shut them down... EVEN IF OUR OFFENSE STARTS OUT SLOWLY, as the Superbowl winning Steelers did last year.

I think THAT is what a lot of people worry about. I don't think anyone here has ever said that we're not headed for an eventual QB upgrade with Jay, at least potentially. But, there are some areas that Jay simply won't be able to help.

Shanahan knows it, and that's why you've seen him tinkering with the STs, OL and starting RBs all year long. We don't have many options on defense, so we're sort of stuck with the guys we have playing. (As far as mixing things up.)

This is still a good team, and some confidence will certainly help. Cutler will be good for the three-game-spark, at minimum... and I think that gets us the playoffs, where anything can happen.

broncsyanks
11-25-2006, 09:28 AM
is it just me or does anyone see shanny not making the position change just to say he has the power to not do what the reporters say or ask>?
i can honestly see him not making the change now. although i think its needed. i dont understand the whole shceffler thing though, please explain that

defenseman
11-25-2006, 09:38 AM
I think shanahan has problems coaching right now, just like his team has problems executing. All in all, crappy coaching, crappy execution. They all need to grow up, and go do their damn job. It's obvious to me all their heads are else where with a few exceptions....champ would be one of them..dman

*Their collective "focus", players and coaches is pretty much fubar for most of them. Again, watch champ, he has incredible focus and knows how to channel it to his play.

That One Guy
11-25-2006, 10:11 AM
First off, I'd put my paycheck on it that Shanny wouldn't have answered the million dollar question if they had asked, he just used their silence as an excuse to keep quiet.

Secondly, the changes at QB, if everything went absolutely perfect, could improve every aspect of our team except maybe special teams. They're screwed. A good passing game will obviously open up the running game. Look back at the '04 Vikings... they had a 3 man rotation that year and every one of em averaged 6 YPC because of their passing game until the passing game started to fail later on in the season. Then the run game struggled as well.

Once the running game is rolling and we can avoid 3 and outs, not only will that give the defense time to rest but it'll put opposing teams into constant passing, catch-up situations. Our rush D wasn't too great last year either (despite the stats) because noone ever ran on us. When teams are passing more, that leads to all those INTs we saw last year and, this year, could cause more 3 and outs for opposing teams as our rush D is caving to any respectable RB.

Once again, STs are screwed.

cabronco
11-25-2006, 12:02 PM
I think frustration has infiltrated the entire team. From the Qb position to rb, to the O-line, to the receivers, defense weakness has been exposed ( front four), special teams looks lost, Ernster quickly forget how to punt after the competition left, and this has been the worst year of coaching/ play calling from Shanny I've ever seen. But that being said, Shanny still is a good coach and should be able to get these guys back on track.

Rohirrim
11-25-2006, 12:23 PM
Cutler did say he thought he could be ready if he was asked to play against the Seahawks.

"You don't get a lot of reps every day in practice. I haven't played since the preseason. If I do get in there I'll have to knock the rust off," Cutler said. "But it'll slow down as the game goes on."

I like this kid already. ;D