Who do you think Rod is talking about

[baja]

http://cbs4denver.com/video/?id=24660@kcnc.dayport.com

Who are the slackers?

Who are the guys leaving it all on the field?

[baja]

I'm guessing Foster and Warren for starters.

[atomicbloke]

I think he means the entire D barring Champ.

I don't know if you got to watch the game. But I watched every play and I can tell you the D looked like a bunch of clowns out there. On one play, Al Wilson runs into the back of his own man and gets knocked to the ground. On another play, Gold and another Bronco run into each other and LJ runs past them. At times it looked like a slapstick comedy sequence out there. I wonder what on earth happened to that record breaking D of ours :(

[elsid13]

Smith sounded pissed. And he should be. I think it Dwill, foster and one or two of the rookies.

[Bighorn]

I believe he was talking about the whole team you win as a team you lose as a team.The media is the devil always stirring up crap.I dont know about everybody else on this board.But when it is late in the game like in the past two games and they have the opportunity to make a drive to possibly take the lead I have absolutly noo confidence in Plummer.

[Ray Finkle]

1. Warren
2. Kircus
3. Nash
4. Mike Bell
5. Ernster
6. The special teams....

[NYBronco]

Jay looked uncomfortable during the questioning...

[elsid13]

How about old Tatum Bell, that hasn't play since ???

I don't think it either Nash or Mike Bell. Both played well in the LIMITED attempt Dinger decide to run for them last night. And Mike Bell had awsome pass block that help lead to the TD on that drive

[Ray Finkle]

How about old Tatum Bell, that hasn't play since ???

I don't think it either Nash or Mike Bell. Both played well in the LIMITED attempt Dinger decide to run for them last night. And Mike Bell had awsome pass block that help lead to the TD on that drive

true but both butter fingered catches.....and let "yards on the field"...

[baja]

<b>I believe he was talking about the whole team </b>you win as a team you lose as a team.The media is the devil always stirring up crap.I dont know about everybody else on this board.But when it is late in the game like in the past two games and they have the opportunity to make a drive to possibly take the lead I have absolutly noo confidence in Plummer.

You didn't watch the clip did you.

[elsid13]

true but both butter fingered catches.....and let "yards on the field"...

Mike Bell drop was bad, but Nash needed to be 7 feet tall and Olympic gymnast to catch that ball on the third down pass

[-Slap-]

We get this same comment from Rod every season and it doesn't do a goddamn bit of good. That stuff should all stay in the lockerroom in my opinion. Basically, Rod is saying I played hard and Jake played hard, these other 51 guys, well, some of them aren't packing the gear. Seems to be more self serving than an actual attempt at leadership. If he really think these guys are going to read the paper and suddenly have an epiphany, he's greatly overestimating his influence.

[rugbythug]

We get this same comment from Rod every season and it doesn't do a goddamn bit of good. That stuff should all stay in the lockerroom in my opinion. Basically, Rod is saying I played hard and Jake played hard, these other 51 guys, well, some of them aren't packing the gear. Seems to be more self serving than an actual attempt at leadership. If he really think these guys are going to read the paper and suddenly have an epiphany, he's greatly overestimating his influence.

I doubt Rod is someone who won't say it to a players face. Some people need preassure different ways.

[-Slap-]

I doubt Rod is someone who won't say it to a players face. Some people need preassure different ways.

Would he?

Nobody remembers the TO discussions during the off season?

Rod Smith said you can't tell a grown man how to act and its true.

[Rascal]

Damn.

Sounds like Shanny needs to make some serious personnel moves.

I agree with Rod though, even when Jake may suck it up he always gives 110%, to bad some people on this team don't give even close to 50%.

Foster, Warren, DJ, RB's, etc.

[Rascal]

Mike Bell drop was bad, but Nash needed to be 7 feet tall and Olympic gymnast to catch that ball on the third down pass

It was barely over his head and he touched it with hands.

[Rascal]

Anybody see Champs response?

"I don't really know what's going to happen, and at this point I don't really care."

Ouch.

[Rascal]

We get this same comment from Rod every season and it doesn't do a goddamn bit of good. That stuff should all stay in the lockerroom in my opinion. Basically, Rod is saying I played hard and Jake played hard, these other 51 guys, well, some of them aren't packing the gear. Seems to be more self serving than an actual attempt at leadership. If he really think these guys are going to read the paper and suddenly have an epiphany, he's greatly overestimating his influence.

While that might be true, it's pretty obvious IMO that several players were walking through the emotions.

[2Times3233]

I have loved Rod Smith since the first day he put on a Bronco jersey.
I really thought it was telling when he talked about how he had been coming to Arrowhead his entire career and dealing with the very tough atmosphere.

"I told them the first seven or eight minutes of that game was going to be a nightmare"

And it was.

We just have to stop contributing to making that nightmare worse.

I want these clowns in Arrowhead in a playoff game again.
I'm still reminding Chief fan about the playoff loss in '97and they still hate even the mention of it.

[bloodsunday]

I agree with Rod though, even when Jake may suck it up he always gives 110%, to bad some people on this team don't give even close to 50%.

Exactly. That's why putting Cutler is a risk, the players know he gives a 100%. However, at this point it could only make things better.

I don't want to comment on individuals because its hard to do so in an objective manner because of personal circumstance (injuries for example). I really think the D and special teams as a whole deserver to be admonished. Special teams and defense are about hustle and attitude. We have enough talent to be a better team then we have been the past 5 weeks in both areas. Maybe injuries have taken their toll. Maybe the D is sick of picking up the slack for the O. I don't know. But I definitely see them missing too many tackles and not making enough "effort" plays.

If the O is guilty of anything, its just poor play and maybe poor talent. I think they are playing hard.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Anybody see Champs response?

"I don't really know what's going to happen, and at this point I don't really care."

Ouch.
Champ was talking about Shanny's decision on the starting QB. I think he was responding out of frustration with the media asking him a question he doesn't want to answer, not giving his attitude on the team in general.

[kamakazi_kal]

well all in all we need some kind of spark............

OL has been moved around, RB have been in and out, #3 WR have been switched, KR people have been changed..............we still cant manage more then 17pts on a good day (save 2 games) damn near bottom of the league

The defense has played better then an average D and is still in the top 5 in scoring Defense and you gotta feel for them they must feel like if they even give up 1 TD we are going to lose, you cant shut out every team you have to score every now and then ...........time to shake the O a little more...........

hell if romo and huard and harrington can put up more points we have to give jay at least a look............right?

[riiiiick]

walker. i think walker would much prefer jay and i think he shows displeasure (i didn't see the game last night, i have seen this in other games) when the pass isn't right. that's wrong and feeds like a cancer on a team. well he should have jay soon enough, now.

[Sodak]

There's no such thing as 110%.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Anybody see Champs response?

"I don't really know what's going to happen, and at this point I don't really care."

Ouch.

I said already that Champ looks pissed. And he should be, he's playing like a hall of famer and the rest of the team just doesn't give a 100% like they should.

I think it's a disrespect to him that players like Warren, DJ Williams, Gold, etc. aren't giving their best effort out there.

You can tell that Walker wants a QB change too. I noticed him looking at Plummer like he wanted to throw a punch at him. I don't care for that attitude but it's true that Javon is capable of doing WAY more that he's doing and he just needs to get some accurate balls thrown his way. If Cutler can do that, put him in there.

I bet Rod is thinking about retiring and he's as pissed as anyone about the effort of the team.

And you are right, at least Jake puts 100% percent when he plays. (sucking or not)

[GonzoLays]

We get this same comment from Rod every season

End thread.

He said the samething after both of Indy playoff blowouts. We lose two in a row, and Rod says it again. I don't know if he said it last year, but last season we didn't really have any adversity.

Look at who we played in back to back contests, Rod. These guys aren't exactly chop liver. We win next week and we are 8-4.

Rod is just as reactionary as any fan. Plus, in a way, I think he believes these comments make him look good. Just like at the beginning of the season when he wasn't catching any balls and was asked by a reporter if he was getting enough attention in the offense and he said, "No comment. I just work here." Then, after catching like 6 balls in one game (it might have been the next game) he said, "It ain't about the stats, its about winning." Good one, Rod.

[Mile High Shack]

and cue the credits....the season is almost officially over

to say Bronco games will be fun to watch just b/c a rookie is in there is crazy.

fact is, looks like 1/2 of the defense as quit on us and along with people on offense as George Foster and Tatum Bell.

[Circle Orange]

Rod's angry because his career is winding down, and he sees the team going down without a fight.

Shanahan orchestrated this mess.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I agree with Rod, but disagree with some of you. The first guy I would fire this morning would be Nash. The guy can't block, he can't see the holes and he doesn't know the pass routes. Then he goes to the sidelines and pouts. Obviously both lines sucked and many players didn't even want to be there last night.

I am hopeful that Champs comments were taken out of context and that what he meant was that he is not going to dwell on what happened but will be getting ready for Seattle.

[Mile High Shack]

Rod's angry because his career is winding down, and he sees the team going down without a fight.

Shanahan orchestrated this mess.

I somewhat agree

He is the best coach in the league, but some of his personnel moves he oversaw leave a lot to be desired

not drafting a better starting RB (after Clinton left)
not drafting better defensive lineman
drafting George Foster
drafting Ashley Lelie and not Javon to begin with OR Ed Reed
bringing in some questionable guys like Nitro in my veins man.

d'oh well

it is what it is

we have a somewhat young team, we just need to draft some Dlineman and get some dlineman in the offseason (besides BROWNS), need some safeties
and finally a stud RB in the draft, not some reach, but a genuine stud this time.

we are an average team at this point, there is no championship caliber side of the ball. 9-7, 8-8 probably, but ya know what

I'll still root for them and have hope

[AFCWestFan]

I sit right behind visitors bench and saw right in front of us how Rod Smith quit on more than one play....I know a lot of guys think he hung the moon but man last night he looked more like Moss. That last pass to him was perfect and he couldn't care a damn he missed it. Rod should beware of throwing stones.

[Mile High Shack]

I sit right behind visitors bench and saw right in front of us how Rod Smith quit on more than one play....I know a lot of guys think he hung the moon but man last night he looked more like Moss. That last pass to him was perfect and he couldn't care a damn he missed it. Rod should beware of throwing stones.

whatever dude

that pass was terrible, wasn't even close

[Popps]

I agree with Rod, but disagree with some of you. The first guy I would fire this morning would be Nash. The guy can't block, he can't see the holes and he doesn't know the pass routes. Then he goes to the sidelines and pouts. Obviously both lines sucked and many players didn't even want to be there last night.

I am hopeful that Champs comments were taken out of context and that what he meant was that he is not going to dwell on what happened but will be getting ready for Seattle.

Nash is wildly talented, but that's been the knock on him.... that his head isn't in it. Sure looked like that last night.

I just heard some of Champ's bytes and he's just pissed about the defense. Lynch was the same. They're embarrassed that they were manhandled in the run game.

Again, guys like Bailey, Wilson and Lynch don't live in the message board world where they just blame other things for their shortcomings. They take their own success and failures personally. Al Wilson isn't worried about the quarterback today, he's worried about his defense getting pushed to the ground like pop warner kids on every running play. He's worried about 330 yards rushing allowed in two weeks.

Listen to the quotes. Lynch said it flat out... "we didn't do the fundamental football things."

Those guys are hurting from this loss, and it's nothing to do with what Jake, Jay or any other offensive player did.

[Mile High Shack]

exactly Popps
and eventually, some of that has to fall on our joke of a defensive coordinator

we don't have scrubs (besides our dline) out there, no excuse to get manhandled by a very average offensive line

[-Slap-]

I agree with Rod, but disagree with some of you. The first guy I would fire this morning would be Nash. The guy can't block, he can't see the holes and he doesn't know the pass routes. Then he goes to the sidelines and pouts. Obviously both lines sucked and many players didn't even want to be there last night.


I do agree with you about Nash. Its very clear this kid is a head case. He criticized his college coaches at Tulane and got released from Tennessee because of his attitude, so something like this wasn't completely unexpected.

I hate when athletes use their body language to convey their displeasure with teammates or coaches. Its bad enough coming from the $10 million prima donnas, but utterly intolerable from street free agent scrubs. Lose him.

[freak6]

WAFI. Yeah, Larry Coyer is the problem? Our first 5 wins are all because of the defense. Unfortunately that level of play was painfully and obviously unsustainable to anyone with objective mind and some sort of Football I.Q.

But as soon as the defense comes down to Earth, now you are calling for Coyer's head when our defense is still 5th in the NFL in def scoring? What else should I expect from dribbling buffoon like you.

How many of those points given up are directly attributable to Plummer turnovers?

33%

The Chiefs should have only put up 15 pts if that, it was stupid penalties that got them that TD. That must be Coyer's fault too.

To what Rod said, he is more frustrated than anyone seeing as this is his last year in the league. I wish he would have done this behind closed doors, because a vet pointing fingers in front of the media could hurt more than help imo.

[freak6]

and eventually, some of that has to fall on our joke of a defensive coordinator



You are the joke. K N O W L E D G E

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-SCORING/2006/regular?sort_col_1=3

[AFCWestFan]

Didn't Nash Graduate from Mizzou?

[Atwater His Ass]

There's no such thing as 110%.

You don't invest much do you?

[Popps]

exactly Popps
and eventually, some of that has to fall on our joke of a defensive coordinator

we don't have scrubs (besides our dline) out there, no excuse to get manhandled by a very average offensive line

Even when things were going well, over half of the forum voted Coyer to be average to below average with regards to his results. I mean, it's no secret at this point that the guy may be looking for a job soon if he doesn't turn it around.

I hope he does. I like him, and I think he's had to coach around a lack of talent, to some extent. Still, 330 rushing yards in two weeks?

It's like teams can just line up against us and do whatever they want. Yea, we make red zone stops from time to time, but when you allow teams to march 70 yards on every drive and eat up clock, you wear yourselves down. We saw it in the 2nd half. Our guys were worn out.

Given, some of that was our inability to sustain drives on offense. But, even after halftime when we had a little momentum and they should have been rested, they just got pushed around out of the gate.

It boils down to a lack of playmakers up front. We pad our stats against weak offenses and get pushed around by the good ones.

Coyer is getting this heat for a reason. When his squad comes out and shuts down a big offense, people will start buying into him again.

[-Slap-]

Didn't Nash Graduate from Mizzou?

You're right. My bad.

[Dudeskey]

http://cbs4denver.com/video/?id=24660@kcnc.dayport.com

Who are the slackers?

Who are the guys leaving it all on the field?

Thats easy- the d-line and Foster

[freak6]

Even when things were going well, over half of the forum voted Coyer to be average to below average with regards to his results.
http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=30410

Nothing but more lies and BS from someone whose arguments aren't worth the bandwidth he wastes with them.

Is having the top 5 scoring defense in the NFL average. I think average by definition would put him in the bottom 16 teams. Not #5. Hmmm....

Good take though.

Popps continously posts weak takes like this. Notice he says <b>MAY</b> after this very strong statement, so he can back out of it later. Popps is the definition of super weak flip flopping hypocrite fan.

I mean, it's no secret at this point that the guy <b>may</b> be looking for a job soon if he doesn't turn it around.

I'd love to see your sources on that btw, oh wait, they came from your ass as usual, pathetic.

[Sodak]

You don't invest much do you?

When you give all that you can give, it's 100%. There is no more.

If you give 110%, that would imply that you're giving less than the full amount.

[jimmy_jim420]

Is having the top 5 scoring defense in the NFL average. I think average by definition would put him in the bottom 16 teams. Not #5. Hmmm....

Nope. Just admit you know nothing about math or what the term "average" means and get on with it, k?

[rovolution]

I somewhat agree

He is the best coach in the league, but some of his personnel moves he oversaw leave a lot to be desired

not drafting a better starting RB (after Clinton left)
not drafting better defensive lineman
drafting George Foster
drafting Ashley Lelie and not Javon to begin with OR Ed Reed
bringing in some questionable guys like Nitro in my veins man.

d'oh well

it is what it is

we have a somewhat young team, we just need to draft some Dlineman and get some dlineman in the offseason (besides BROWNS), need some safeties
and finally a stud RB in the draft, not some reach, but a genuine stud this time.

we are an average team at this point, there is no championship caliber side of the ball. 9-7, 8-8 probably, but ya know what

I'll still root for them and have hope


i agree somewhat as well. the move that disturbed me the most was resigning Ian Gold instead of signing Reggie Hayward to a big deal and not letting him get away.

[Popps]

exactly Popps
and eventually, some of that has to fall on our joke of a defensive coordinator

we don't have scrubs (besides our dline) out there, no excuse to get manhandled by a very average offensive line

I wouldn't call him a joke, but he's underperformed... depending on what you think of our talent. Like I said, even around here... where his support is pretty high, less than half of the respondents voted his performances as "above average" or better. More than 50% voted that his results have average or worse.

I do think it's unfair to ask the guy to achieve without a top notch defensive linemen. But, I don't know... that unit really quit last night. The leaders even said so. At a certain point, you have to point to THEIR leader.

Tough to say how much is him and how much is his talent, or lack thereof. But, he'd better figure out something quickly, or the rumblings are going to start growing louder. That's life in the modern NFL.

[Northman]

We get this same comment from Rod every season and it doesn't do a goddamn bit of good. That stuff should all stay in the lockerroom in my opinion. Basically, Rod is saying I played hard and Jake played hard, these other 51 guys, well, some of them aren't packing the gear. Seems to be more self serving than an actual attempt at leadership. If he really think these guys are going to read the paper and suddenly have an epiphany, he's greatly overestimating his influence.



No kidding. I want to see Rod explode out on the field. Get in some of these guys faces. The fire from within does you know good after the game is over. Get in those guys grills during the game, dont talk **** to the media afterword when all is said and done.

[Kaylore]

Did anyone actually watch the clip? I'm amazed at how many people here will read the title of a thread that features an article or a video clip and post on the title without actually reading or viewing the piece. All he said was that players need to be ready to play from the time they get off the bus and that you need to give your best in practice all week. I think it's hard for Rod, who wasn't the most talented player in the world, to see guys with real talent and yet try half as hard. He appreciates what he's been given because he's worked harder for it.

[broncsyanks]

I sit right behind visitors bench and saw right in front of us how Rod Smith quit on more than one play....I know a lot of guys think he hung the moon but man last night he looked more like Moss. That last pass to him was perfect and he couldn't care a damn he missed it. Rod should beware of throwing stones.

perfect pass?? sorry but i dont know what game you were watching it was hish and way out in front of him. he was lucky he got a hand on it

[broncsyanks]

WAFI. Yeah, Larry Coyer is the problem? Our first 5 wins are all because of the defense. Unfortunately that level of play was painfully and obviously unsustainable to anyone with objective mind and some sort of Football I.Q.

But as soon as the defense comes down to Earth, now you are calling for Coyer's head when our defense is still 5th in the NFL in def scoring? What else should I expect from dribbling buffoon like you.

How many of those points given up are directly attributable to Plummer turnovers?

33%

The Chiefs should have only put up 15 pts if that, it was stupid penalties that got them that TD. That must be Coyer's fault too.

To what Rod said, he is more frustrated than anyone seeing as this is his last year in the league. I wish he would have done this behind closed doors, because a vet pointing fingers in front of the media could hurt more than help imo.

i agree here but there is one thing that is missing i would like to add. look at time of possesion. jake has faultered the offense so much that the defense cannot even get there breath. they are tired by the 4th quater. they stop them in the 1st drive punts it to us we get the ball around our 20 get 6-8 yards and then jake throws his bad pass and then we punt it to there 40 and they start on there 45 and then its a half field possesion and the defense cannot stop the field goal or a TD at that point, scenario has been repeated almst every game except the last 2. he threw int's to end the 1st possesion drives. its the same start all the time. except maybe the running game might get it going.

[Rock Chalk]

Our defense in the first five games was going against sub-par opponents or offenses that were working with new OCs and or new personell.

THe moment our defense faces playoff quality offenses, you know, offenses we will have to shut down in the playoffs to make the superbowl, they fold like bitches. This is partially due to the D-line, but this is mostly to do with Coyer's piss poor playcalling. Zone coverage against accurate QBs does you no good with no pass rush. Its clear to anyone with a ****ing brain we have no pass rush or limited pass rush. As such, we have to play press, we have to be physical with receivers, and we have to take our chances on exotic blitzes. WHats the worse that could happen? Our defense gives up a big play for a TD? Big deal, better than them giving up a 90 yard 12 play drive for a TD that wears them out for later in the game.

Our defense did OK last night, but would have done much much worse had KC receivers not actually dropped balls right in their hands. Kennison had a TD on us but dropped it. People say "We only gave up 19 points, 16 if you count the first FG against Jake for being a dumbass", but really, they should have given up 23 (26 total) points if not for an idiot WR named QUitterson.

These are the breaks our defense has gotten and it has made Coyer look better than he actually is. THe fact that Champ has 5 picks all in the red zone tell you how many times we have dodged bullets. LJ in the first game fumbles in the red zone, what the **** are they doing in our red zone anyway? Force a three and out, like their defense does to our offense, you know, from time to time. That'd be nice. Get a 3rd down sack or force a ****ing incompletion for once. Oh, and stop the run while you are at it. I dont care if its LJ or LT, "great" defenses can at least LIMIT "great" RBs.

Our defense, when faced against great competition, is shown to be just average.

Furthermore, these 7 play drives that stall at midfield for our opposistion only do one thing, pin us deep in our own territory making it harder for our already styruggling offense.

Cutler isnt going to help us. Though Im ready for Cutler to play, we are going to lose 2 of the next 3 with him in there.

[cdesignmaster]

Rod Smith has been great for the Broncos, but has clearly lost a step or two, it's time for him to sit the pine with Plummer and let the new kids finish the season. After that, say their good-byes. Smith isn't good enough to be a third receiver any more, yet he's our number two because of his history. He's done, just as Jake is done. Bring on all the new kids and let's get ready for next year.

[Guessed]

Being with the team on a day to day basis, Rod has a much greater perspective on the effort and preparation issue more than any of us. He probably sees certain players not giving it their all during the week and then make mistakes during game situations as a result. Being a player who's had to work hard for everything he's acheived, this has to make him boil. I salute Rod for his statement and by the way, he didn't exclude himself as someone that could or should be axed.

[bendog]

I really don't know about the dissing on Big Money. Even Grads had trouble playing with a bad toe. He's had a nasty injury all year, and it's just going to get worse.

[Boogerboots]

All I know that is that if and when Rod does retire, we give him a coaching spot somewhere. With his work ethics and dedication to the game, he could set alot of younger players on the right path... if they care to listen.

[OrangeShadow]

it all starts in the trenchs and we got owned on both sides of the line. You arent going to win football games getting pushed around like that.

[~Crash~]

I wouldn't call him a joke, but he's underperformed... depending on what you think of our talent. Like I said, even around here... where his support is pretty high, less than half of the respondents voted his performances as "above average" or better. More than 50% voted that his results have average or worse.

I do think it's unfair to ask the guy to achieve without a top notch defensive linemen. But, I don't know... that unit really quit last night. The leaders even said so. At a certain point, you have to point to THEIR leader.

Tough to say how much is him and how much is his talent, or lack thereof. But, he'd better figure out something quickly, or the rumblings are going to start growing louder. That's life in the modern NFL.

heck popps the D line is tired I think freak6 is a ahole but for once he is gulp right on the money . Our D has took to many snaps they have played with grace with all the time they have been on the field ! this season can be saved but the O side needs to start pulling there side of the wagon and you will see the back biteing stop. in the end Mike waited to long to make the change to cutler and he also under minded the team by letting out a demotion before a game it IMO cost us the game.

[Cito Pelon]

Man, I'd post some rants of my own, but everything has been covered! This team looks like it's just about ready to be KO'd.

I think it's time for Shanny to either say Jake is definitely starting, or say Jay is definitely starting.

[-Slap-]

I really don't know about the dissing on Big Money. Even Grads had trouble playing with a bad toe. He's had a nasty injury all year, and it's just going to get worse.

Its a tough situation. Given his history, people are going to be quick to judge him, fairly or not. This is bad because he doesn't generally respond positively to criticism. We can only hope he rebounds next season. We need him and he's taking up a decent chunk of cap space.

[Paladin]

I think freak6 is a ahole, too, but the game was not loast because of a singel factor. The entire team tok a powder earaly, but even then, they had a chance to get back just before the last drive by the mullets. One series was extended because of an offsides call and a questionable head slap call. Stop those seven points and the game is different.

But we can say those things all the time. Jake this, D line that, STs and the WRs not gettting the ball....... This has been a disppointing season, no doubt. But the Broncos are not out of the whole enchilada, so, I keep thinking that a win against Seattle and they would be right back in the game.....