View Full Version : One thing George Foster (and almost our entire O-line) is missing...
Taco John
11-24-2006, 06:28 AM
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A mean streak.
OrangeShadow
11-24-2006, 06:50 AM
i completely agree, foster seems like a pansy. I dont know what it is but losing lepsis hurt big time
watermock
11-24-2006, 07:02 AM
That would be cool if it showed something from Foster
fontaine
11-24-2006, 08:17 AM
A mean streak?
The only guy that realistically has the size to maul/pancake DL is Foster and he's not doing it.
Not sure how a 280 lb Guard or C is supposed to body slam bigger DL. They're plenty mean considering they play on the edges of unwritten football rules regarding cut blocking.
Losing Lepsis was was the back breaker for us on O.
atomicbloke
11-24-2006, 08:45 AM
The loss of Lepsis hurt us more than people think.
Keep in mind that McNeil of the Chargers was also playing with two broken hands in that clip which makes him even more nasty.
I think our line will be fine. I really like Pears, I think he and Meadows should vie for the starting RT position next year. Lepsis will come back and man the LT. I think it is not unreasonable to think that Kuper CAN win the RG spot and then Ham and Nails at the C and LG positions.
We'll be fine on the OLine, it just sucks to know that Foster is a piece of crap. That is what you get though when you draft a guy who had 6 or 7 career starts on the offensive line. Tenacity is not something that is developed... usually a player already has it or not. FOSTER never had it. Not at George, definitely not in Denver.
rugbythug
11-24-2006, 11:11 AM
That slam would not be that hard. Like a wwf move. Watch the clip. EE jumps to block the pass. This allows the LT to get under him.
-Slap-
11-24-2006, 11:25 AM
We'll be fine on the OLine, it just sucks to know that Foster is a piece of crap. That is what you get though when you draft a guy who had 6 or 7 career starts on the offensive line. Tenacity is not something that is developed... usually a player already has it or not. FOSTER never had it. Not at George, definitely not in Denver.
I hate anytime we draft anybody who hasn't produced much in college. Every time we draft based on potential we get screwed. Chris Cole and Paul Toviessi are prime examples.
Arkansas Bronco
11-24-2006, 11:44 AM
Holding!!!!!
spdirty
11-24-2006, 11:48 AM
Someone watch Foster in that game last night. I could swear whenever Jake would drop back in 5 or 7 steps, he didnt have any time because Hali was on his ass the whole game. 3 step drops were the only time Foster didn't let his man by him in pass protection.
The guy is horrible. Hopefully will play in 10 days or Cutler is gonna be screwed.
-Slap-
11-24-2006, 11:54 AM
Not to excuse Foster's failures, but a bunch of us predicted Hali would be an excellent defensive lineman. That was the guy I wanted us to draft before all the tradeups.
spdirty
11-24-2006, 11:59 AM
Not to excuse Foster's failures, but a bunch of us predicted Hali would be an excellent defensive lineman. That was the guy I wanted us to draft before all the tradeups.
Not that I care to watch Mullet games, but Id like to see what he does against a competent RT. I know this...the guy was lookin like Taylor out there last night.
-Slap-
11-24-2006, 12:01 PM
He's having a strong rookie season.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/412000
spdirty
11-24-2006, 12:04 PM
damn.
bloodsunday
11-24-2006, 12:30 PM
This whole team needs a mean streak right now. The D had one earlier in the season.
Hali brings it... Foster does not. Bad situation for us.
You would think a guy playing for his job would play a little harder or better...
NOPE!
manchambo
11-24-2006, 01:11 PM
I think Foster showed his heart last night: i.e., that he completely lacks one. Guy gets a little more than a game to watch and get real pissed that he got benched, get a chance to come back and redeem himself, and comes in and plays with less intensity than he did before he got benched.
Popps
11-24-2006, 01:17 PM
Add to the wish list a D-Tackle with one of those mean streaks, as well.
We should have signed Rod Coleman when we had a chance to. That guy had a mean streak and has played well for the Falcons through his first two years there.
Foster is a bust. It is worst when you consider LJ, who ran all over us yesterday and basically every game he has started against us, was drafted 7 spots after George Foster. (By the way, never draft a OT who has knock knees!)
Other plays we could have had besides LJ: Willis McGahee, Anquan Boldin, Pisa Tinoisamoa, LJ Smith, Dewayne White, Jason Witten, Angelo Crowell,
AlphaOmega
11-24-2006, 01:45 PM
A mean streak.
The loss of Coach Gibbs has impacted the O-line the most! We have slowly declined without him! He brought the attitude to that unit! :egbgb:
Popps
11-24-2006, 01:54 PM
We should have signed Rod Coleman when we had a chance to. That guy had a mean streak and has played well for the Falcons through his first two years there.
Foster is a bust. It is worst when you consider LJ, who ran all over us yesterday and basically every game he has started against us, was drafted 7 spots after George Foster. (By the way, never draft a OT who has knock knees!)
Other plays we could have had besides LJ: Willis McGahee, Anquan Boldin, Pisa Tinoisamoa, LJ Smith, Dewayne White, Jason Witten, Angelo Crowell,
Add Foster to the many weird picks from that era like Terry Pierce.
How about Tommie Harris? We would have had to bump up a few spots, but that's a guy we were in range to get.
Don't get me started on all the d-line talent we've passed on for second rate CBs, WRs and other various washouts.
elsid13
11-24-2006, 01:57 PM
Add Foster to the many weird picks from that era like Terry Pierce.
How about Tommie Harris? We would have had to bump up a few spots, but that's a guy we were in range to get.
Don't get me started on all the d-line talent we've passed on for second rate CBs, WRs and other various washouts.
If the stories from Dove Valley are true, they tried to trade up for Harris, but couldn't
-Slap-
11-24-2006, 02:04 PM
I think Foster showed his heart last night: i.e., that he completely lacks one. Guy gets a little more than a game to watch and get real pissed that he got benched, get a chance to come back and redeem himself, and comes in and plays with less intensity than he did before he got benched.
Sadly, I believe you're right. A guy with pride would have taken the field like a man possessed last night. I think George has either quit on Denver or he's one of those guys who's content to be a backup. Mark Cooper Disease.
Mile High Shack
11-24-2006, 02:06 PM
there were some black years in drafting from about 1999 to 2003, very very strange occurences.
George Foster is just another in the long line of busted "talent" that was drafted that year
I'm just glad people finally realize what those of us who have seen it for 2 years saw :)
Foster sucks
-Slap-
11-24-2006, 02:10 PM
Fortunately, the front office has learned their lesson. The last three drafts have been productive and each one has been better than the last.
Mile High Shack
11-24-2006, 02:13 PM
Fortunately, the front office has learned their lesson. The last three drafts have been productive and each one has been better than the last.
totally agree
from 2003 to the current, we have finally drafted some good players
it is a shame, however, that in those drafts we couldn't find some legitimate defensive line players
Kaylore
11-24-2006, 02:21 PM
Sadly, I believe you're right. A guy with pride would have taken the field like a man possessed last night. I think George has either quit on Denver or he's one of those guys who's content to be a backup. Mark Cooper Disease.
And he looks like he gained a few. Could be wrong but it appears he's overweight. Either way he sucks and his suckage goes beyond not having a mean streak. I think when Taco says Foster doesn't have a mean streak what he should be saying is Foster doesn't really try very hard.
As for the rest of our o-line playing without a mean streak, that's a pretty hilarious charge to make - especially considering what just happened against the Chargers.
There's a reason Olshansky went postal and started punching people in the kidneys. Our O-line is hated across the league and while it is because they are good at what they do, it is also because they are nasty SOB's at the line. Nalen, our two guards and even Meadows have been pretty ferocious. Pears looks more timid and is just trying not to make a mistake but you can't really fault him because he's been thrown into the fire mid season and been awesome for someone with hardly any pro experience.
footstepsfrom#27
11-24-2006, 02:21 PM
A mean streak?
The only guy that realistically has the size to maul/pancake DL is Foster and he's not doing it.
Not sure how a 280 lb Guard or C is supposed to body slam bigger DL. They're plenty mean considering they play on the edges of unwritten football rules regarding cut blocking.
Bingo. We want to keep drinking the koolaid and thinking that we can keep fielding these munchkin O-lines while every year the defenders on the other side keep getting bigger and stronger...and at the same time they're faster and quicker than they used to be at that size. Cut blocking for the run is one thing but the pass blocking is inadequate at best and if Plummer weren't as mobile as he is he'd have twice the number of sacks. You don't find the big nasties who have size and quickness in round 5 most of the time. We need to invest some high picks in 320 pounders who can still run and block in space while also working in a stretch zone but they're not going to get dominated by big bull rushers against the pass. And I don't see the mean streak either...Nalen has it...who else? Nobody that I see. It's time for Shanny to start using #1's and #2's on big guys on both sides of the line who bring some serious attitude.
footstepsfrom#27
11-24-2006, 02:28 PM
And he looks like he gained a few. Could be wrong but it appears he's overweight. Either way he sucks and his suckage goes beyond not having a mean streak. I think when Taco says Foster doesn't have a mean streak what he should be saying is Foster doesn't really try very hard.
As for the rest of our o-line playing without a mean streak, that's a pretty hilarious charge to make - especially considering what just happened against the Chargers.
There's a reason Olshansky went postal and started punching people in the kidneys. Our O-line is hated across the league and while it is because they are good at what they do, it is also because they are nasty SOB's at the line. Nalen, our two guards and even Meadows have been pretty ferocious. Pears looks more timid and is just trying not to make a mistake but you can't really fault him because he's been thrown into the fire mid season and been awesome for someone with hardly any pro experience.
Is it because they're nasty and vicious or just that they're technique angers the opposition? I don't see Carlyle or Foster in that vein...certainly not Georgina Foster. Remember Conrad Dobler? He had a screw loose...I wish we had a couple just like him.
I know he didn't have a big game last night but if we draft more football players cut from the Elvis Dumervil cloth, we'll be better off.
Foster was a soft player who hardly started in college but had "great" feet. Give me a hard nosed m'fer who plays his a$$ off for 60 minutes who has "good" feet. Usually you will get more out of the latter. Measurables are nice but they don't win football games. You can't measure heart, or tenacity. If you could, Foster probably wouldn't have been drafted. The guy is a coward afraid to step up to any challenges or adversity. It was a breath of fresh air just to see Meadows play last week. That guy probably doesn't have a 1/3 of the talent Foster does... but he played better at RT then I have seen in a long time.
Bob's your Information Minister
11-24-2006, 05:11 PM
Wow. How can anyone defend this clown anymore? After Meadows left the game, Hali started abusing Foster. That was rewarding to see after Foster got the better of him in September. Last laugh I guess.
Anyway...Foster is a bust. Congrats.
kmartin575
11-24-2006, 05:18 PM
I just don't think he fits in that scheme. I think he could fit at right tackle in another offense, or maybe he could even switch to guard and do a solid job there.
GonzoLays
11-24-2006, 05:27 PM
Foster is a bust in any system in any league.
TheReverend
11-24-2006, 05:28 PM
Nope. Bob's right... he's a bust... an enormous talented bust that doesn't want to work to use any of it. Oh well... Cutler's still gonna get some playoff experience.
jimmy_jim420
11-24-2006, 05:28 PM
re: Bobo
How can anybody be as fat as he is? After he leaves his mom's basement, he'll still be a 27 year old virgin with no friends. It's rewarding to see such a worthless piece of trash get all of his jollies on an opposing teams message board, since he's not going to get them with a real, actual human being any time soon (other men don't count).
Anyways, bobo is a fat, 27 year old virgin with no friends and 16,000 posts ON AN OPPOSING TEAM'S MESSAGE BOARD. Congrats. I guess.
Arkansas Bronco
11-24-2006, 05:30 PM
Has he ever played Guard? he has the body for it.
Foster shouldn't even be playing in the Arena Football League.
We need to cut ties with him.
A memo for how bad of a pick he was... LJ was taken six or seven picks after him.
Yep, passed up the closest thing I've seen to TD for a piece of crap who can't even stand on the sidelines correctly.
DomCasual
11-24-2006, 05:53 PM
He just looks like he has no fire. You see him on the sideline or in the huddle, and he just has a tired, dopey look on his face. Maybe it's just not in him. But when you get benched mid-season for a guy who's been out of football for two year, you should be breathing fire the next time you get a chance to play.
GonzoLays
11-24-2006, 05:54 PM
Some people thought his benching would "light a fire under his ass." Maybe it did, but a benching does not give you talent. He's just fat and uncoordinated. No two ways about it.
I say we move his ass to DT and play him on 3rd and 1s. He could just fall down and occupy space.
DomCasual
11-24-2006, 05:56 PM
Some people thought his benching would "light a fire under his ass." Maybe it did, but a benching does not give you talent. He's just fat and uncoordinated. No two ways about it.
I say we move his ass to DT and play him on 3rd and 1s. He could just fall down and occupy space.
We should move him to WR, like we did with Deltha O'Neal.
backup qb
11-24-2006, 06:22 PM
if memory serves correctlly that whole draft class bombed. I believe that was the one with Terry Pierce, Griffin, Nick Eason, Mcneal, etc. Ouch!
TheDave
11-24-2006, 06:25 PM
any chance he can play gaurd?
kmartin575
11-24-2006, 06:28 PM
To be fair to Foster, Tamba Hali was consistently beating Adam Meadows as well.
OrangeShadow
11-24-2006, 06:31 PM
I think the orginization sees the writing on the wall. The times are changing. The league isnt built for small o lines and running qbs. Its built for being able to drop back and pass which small offensive lines arent good for.
SDfaiderhater
11-24-2006, 06:52 PM
there were some black years in drafting from about 1999 to 2003, very very strange occurences.
George Foster is just another in the long line of busted "talent" that was drafted that year
I'm just glad people finally realize what those of us who have seen it for 2 years saw :)
Foster sucks
i think your worst pick was Clarrett in the 3rd...he was on the verge of going undrafted.
Kaylore
11-24-2006, 07:27 PM
I think the orginization sees the writing on the wall. The times are changing. The league isnt built for small o lines and running qbs. Its built for being able to drop back and pass which small offensive lines arent good for.
Our worst lineman is our biggest. Size helps and anymore big guys are athletic enough to be successful in this scheme, but size doesn't always = good.
ludo21
11-24-2006, 07:36 PM
I think the orginization sees the writing on the wall. The times are changing. The league isnt built for small o lines and running qbs. Its built for being able to drop back and pass which small offensive lines arent good for.
The tackles simply just have to move their feet faster to beat those edge rushers.
The amazing thing is, these days, BIG guys, are fast!! So in the next 5 years we gotta start drafting again, although we look to be pretty deep actually.
And Khans right, the league HATES our OL cause of their nastiness. Foster just sucks, as did Pears last night.
-Slap-
11-24-2006, 07:52 PM
Our worst lineman is our biggest. Size helps and anymore big guys are athletic enough to be successful in this scheme, but size doesn't always = good.
Now would be a good time to scrap the zone blocking scheme and start bringing in some drive blockers. Kuper and Pears will do well in that scheme and we can build around that. I'm tired of getting shoved around at the goalline all the time.