# of Posts by Long Timers doesn't always equal intelligence

[Mile High Mojoe]

# of Posts by Long Timers doesn't always equal intelligence

I just can’t believe how many people on this site can slam the OL, slam the D, slam the running game and just dodge the whole Jake factor.

The Broncos have been carrying this bum since the AFC Championship game. IMO, they’ve carried him the whole time he’s been in Denver. We played “Good” enough to win this game except for one important exception, below average to incredibly bad QB play.

The Chiefs didn’t respect the run because they knew that Jake couldn’t make any game breaking plays in the passing game. Isn’t that obvious? How can an OL expect to open wide holes in the running game when the line of scrimmage is stacked?

It's unbelievable to see how many of these 20,000 post’s geniuses on this site are now ready to flip flop on their Hero Jake and jump on the Cutler band wagon since the Broncos could be in real danger of not making the playoffs. It’s makes my laugh and at the same it makes me want to go into a blind rage and kick someone in the backside for being so short sided and stupid on this whole Jake the Fake debate.

[ludo21]

I just can’t believe how many people on this site can slam the OL, slam the D, slam the running game and just dodge the whole Jake factor.

???

Have trouble reading? alf the threads on the front page are Jake related to sucking.

And if you though the OL and D played well you need glasses old man.

[Mile High Mojoe]

I just can’t believe how many people on this site can slam the OL, slam the D, slam the running game and just dodge the whole Jake factor.

???

Have trouble reading? alf the threads on the front page are Jake related to sucking.

And if you though the OL and D played well you need glasses old man.They didn't play well, I agree but wouldn't you agree since the Chiefs didn't have any respect for the passing game it effected the offense as a whole? I may need glasses but you are blind if you can't see that.

[ludo21]

they had 0 respect for Plummer, and he didnt do anything to change it, i agree.

As an offense, they FAILED. Would Cutler have completed some more passes? Sure he would, but would he have escaped 5 or 6 sacks like Plummer did, im not sure.

[Mile High Mojoe]

I just can’t believe how many people on this site can slam the OL, slam the D, slam the running game and just dodge the whole Jake factor.

???

Have trouble reading? alf the threads on the front page are Jake related to sucking.

And if you though the OL and D played well you need glasses old man.

BTW, read some of the other threads, many on this site have said the same you have but have ignored the really big problem we had in this game.

JAKE!

[ludo21]

read my lips - JAKE was NOT our biggest problem this game.

He missed some passes (ezpecially that open Alexander one, ugh!) but when he needed time on 3rd downs, and even on some long 2nd downs, the Tackles got flat out PWNED!!

The D didnt play well, but we still could have won, so i wont bash them too much more.

[Mile High Mojoe]

they had 0 respect for Plummer, and he didnt do anything to change it, i agree.

As an offense, they FAILED. Would Cutler have completed some more passes? Sure he would, but would he have escaped 5 or 6 sacks like Plummer did, im not sure.

Wow, now its the Jake can escape pressure excuse. What others one's can you line up Jake? They've been recycled on this site so many times it's like a bad rerun of a never ending soap opera. It makes me want to puke.

[watermock]

We scored 10 points.

[freak6]

Sure he would, but would he have escaped 5 or 6 sacks like Plummer did, im not sure.


hmm, an option QB for his first two years??

He's as mobile as Jake, with a much better arm and everything else too. Strong enough to not fumble as much either.

Benches 400 lbs!?!?! WTH is that. Unreal talent.

[ludo21]

Wow, now its the Jake can escape pressure excuse. What others one's can you line up Jake? They've been recycled on this site so many times it's like a bad rerun of a never ending soap opera. It makes me want to puke.

excuse? its a fact that the OT were terrible on passing downs!

Dont get me wrong, im in the Jay should start now side of the fence, but if our OL woes of protecting the passer dont get fixed, he wont do much better.

[watermock]

MAN LAW:Denver is the best team in the NFL no matter what!

that is priceless.

[Atwater His Ass]

I'm going to have to agree. Woulda shouda coulda. We scored 10 freaking points. End of discussion.

[Crushaholic]

This is the first game since the St. Louis game I can honestly say Jake was a huge factor in a loss. He had wide open looks to receivers and overthrew several balls. The Kansas City secondary would have been absolutely shredded if he had connected on some of those attempts.

[Mile High Mojoe]

This is the first game since the St. Louis game I can honestly say Jake was a huge factor in a loss. He had wide open looks to receivers and overthrew several balls. The Kansas City secondary would have been absolutely shredded if he had connected on some of those attempts.

Thank you that's the game I saw too. Most of the game Jake just looked to dump the ball off, he wasn't looking downfield at all. He had open guys but like in so many games this year he was running scared or didn't have the patience or enough confidence in his own ability to get the ball downfield.

[DB84FAN]

BTW, read some of the other threads, many on this site have said the same you have but have ignored the really big problem we had in this game.

JAKE!

Dude, you are a joke. your post mid way in the season about the team making playoffs as i told then was a big joke. If you thought jake was bad... you were emotional then in saying this is a playoff team.

Also the OL was terrible. let me know if u couldn't see it and i will get you glasses. The defense was shredded and Running game non existent. No trick plays or anything creative on play calling and you are sitting and still blaming a guy who already kind of lost his job last week and this week was playing because it was a short week.

Find something else that makes sense here after. And dont think you are way too intelligent in future.. as your headline above says. neither are long timers nor are short timers as you have proved time and again.

so go to sleep and keep your views coming though they are dumb

[azbroncfan]

This is the first game since the St. Louis game I can honestly say Jake was a huge factor in a loss. He had wide open looks to receivers and overthrew several balls. The Kansas City secondary would have been absolutely shredded if he had connected on some of those attempts.

I was seeing how easy Denver was passing or missing open recievers and was picturing Paymeaton or C Palmer against that D and it was ugly.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Dude, you are a joke. your post mid way in the season about the team making playoffs as i told then was a big joke. If you thought jake was bad... you were emotional then in saying this is a playoff team.

Also the OL was terrible. let me know if u couldn't see it and i will get you glasses. The defense was shredded and Running game non existent. No trick plays or anything creative on play calling and you are sitting and still blaming a guy who already kind of lost his job last week and this week was playing because it was a short week.

Find something else that makes sense here after. And dont think you are way too intelligent in future.. as your headline above says. neither are long timers nor are short timers as you have proved time and again.

so go to sleep and keep your views coming though they are dumb

The OL has not played well I'm not denying that but they've been put in a position to have to try open holes against defenses who haven't respected the passing game. I'd be willing to bet if Jake makes 1 or 2 deep throws in the game they back off and we run the ball better. Jake threw an INT in the first series then all respect was gone.

[TheDave]

maybe we should make it a 200 post rule ;)

[DB84FAN]

The OL has not played well I'm not denying that but they've been put in a position to have to try open holes against defenses who haven't respected the passing game. I'd be willing to bet if Jake makes 1 or 2 deep throws in the game they back off and we run the ball better. Jake threw an INT in the first series then all respect was gone.

agreed, and if shanny (who i think did not coach the last game properly and that is the reason we lost) had any balls.. and if he had confidence on jay cutler.. he should have thrown him in. He has spent 12 weeks here and knows the offense well enough by now.. today or next sunday wouldn't make a difference.

Look at what parcells did. He got the spark on monday night when the national audience was watching. Shanny is not coaching well either and players are not executing. this team has lost it - that is plain and simple

when winning against san diego, if shanny called passes when the run was getting 4 yards a carry... i lost my respect right there. He lost that game and today the team lost this game and i think we lost the season

[watermock]

We got the pick and did dick with it.

1-10-DEN 40 (9:27) 10-T.Green pass short left intended for 18-S.Parker INTERCEPTED by 27-Da.Williams at DEN 30. 27-Da.Williams to DEN 36 for 6 yards (26-M.Bennett).

Denver Broncos at 9:20
1-10-DEN 36 (9:20) 29-D.Nash up the middle to DEN 36 for no gain (95-R.Edwards, 91-T.Hali).
2-10-DEN 36 (8:48) 16-J.Plummer pass short left to 29-D.Nash to DEN 41 for 5 yards (99-K.Bell).
3-5-DEN 41 (8:13) 16-J.Plummer pass incomplete deep left to 82-S.Alexander.
4-5-DEN 41 (8:07) 3-P.Ernster punts 52 yards to KC 7, Center-83-M.Leach. 82-D.Hall to KC 10 for 3 yards (39-K.Johnson).

[Mile High Mojoe]

agreed, and if shanny (who i think did not coach the last game properly and that is the reason we lost) had any balls.. and if he had confidence on jay cutler.. he should have thrown him in. He has spent 12 weeks here and knows the offense well enough by now.. today or next sunday wouldn't make a difference.

Look at what parcells did. He got the spark on monday night when the national audience was watching. Shanny is not coaching well either and players are not executing. this team has lost it - that is plain and simple

when winning against san diego, if shanny called passes when the run was getting 4 yards a carry... i lost my respect right there. He lost that game and today the team lost this game and i think we lost the season^5 Shanny to me has let his ego get in the way one to many times this year. In the San Diego game he had a 17 point lead then proceeded to let Jake throw the ball.

Why? We were running ball well enough to control the clock and could have ran some time off the clock, instead we punt the ball and give it back to the most dangerous overall back in the league. The D played well enough to win that game too, it was poor game management by Shanny that lost that game. Jake's piss poor play didn't help either but I just don't get why he won't run the ball, I guess it's boring to him.

He still thinks he can't outsmart any defense in league when the truth is our O is about as vanilla as it can get right now.

[Mile High Mojoe]

I was seeing how easy Denver was passing or missing open recievers and was picturing Paymeaton or C Palmer against that D and it was ugly.^5

[Hogan11]

maybe we should make it a 200 post rule ;)

Really.

[Taco John]

Are you trying to tell me that I don't have a 33,000 IQ?

[Popps]

I just can’t believe how many people on this site can slam the OL, slam the D, slam the running game and just dodge the whole Jake factor.

Yea, because none of us have mentioned problems at the QB spot on this forum. It's almost gone unmentioned.

Great thread, though.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Are you trying to tell me that I don't have a 33,000 IQ?I actually have liked some your posts. It's some of the other guys on this site to remain nameless, because they'll attack me again if I do, that has jacked me up since I became a member of this site. BTW I really hope Shanny did leak the Culter story, anything to get him in and Jake out is okay by me.

[NFLBRONCO]

Just curious don't most offenses sputter year this first year with a new OC?

[Circle Orange]

# of Posts by Long Timers doesn't always equal intelligence

I just can’t believe how many people on this site can slam the OL, slam the D, slam the running game and just dodge the whole Jake factor.

The Broncos have been carrying this bum since the AFC Championship game. IMO, they’ve carried him the whole time he’s been in Denver. We played “Good” enough to win this game except for one important exception, below average to incredibly bad QB play.

The Chiefs didn’t respect the run because they knew that Jake couldn’t make any game breaking plays in the passing game. Isn’t that obvious? How can an OL expect to open wide holes in the running game when the line of scrimmage is stacked?

It's unbelievable to see how many of these 20,000 post’s geniuses on this site are now ready to flip flop on their Hero Jake and jump on the Cutler band wagon since the Broncos could be in real danger of not making the playoffs. It’s makes my laugh and at the same it makes me want to go into a blind rage and kick someone in the backside for being so short sided and stupid on this whole Jake the Fake debate.


That's only part of it. The O line isn't nearly as dominant anymore and a couple of guys at key positions on offense are at the end of their careers. I think the cut block scheme is no longer working because of this AND the quarterback factor.

People babble about the vaunted running game, insert BOBO THE CLOWN and you're set. But isn't it funny that NONE of these guys are true feature backs? In and out, Shanny rotates these guys for 'parts' because not one has a complete ability to run and score. None since TD, that is.

Shanahan isn't blameless here either. Who was infatuated with Jake? Who's titanic ego assumed he could remake the wheel with this guy? Who's willing to deflect blame and toss anyone and everyone overboard to preserve his 'once genius, top coach in nfl' status? Is he never wrong? Does he ever coach poorly? No, never. But if Cutler turns out well he'll take all the credit!

Maybe it's truly time for SHANAHAN to go.

The defense has two specific strengths. The linebackers and ONE defensive back. So yeah, it looks good but the structure is bad. Why? No strength in the D Line up front. No pass rush = go home. Granted, the Afc West has some badass backs, but against the better teams the broncs get gashed.

Anyone think Kubiak leaving hasn't affected Jake?


Bah...I say blow it all up. http://scosoft.com/s/e/3ab176c.gifScorched earth, baby...scorched earth.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Yea, because none of us have mentioned problems at the QB spot on this forum. It's almost gone unmentioned.

Great thread, though.

You know I've been trying to ignore you, you say I'm the one spreading hate but you're the one who just made another smart ass comment to me. You're a know-it-all and a board control freak and the only true authority when it comes to all things Broncos aren't you Pal?

I love the picture of the baby you have as a Profile Photo, you pout and go on the defensive just like a baby when anyone challenges your superior knowledge of the game of football.

BTW, from now on I'll always turn to you first before I post something and follow your threads so I can be sure to post what you think is and isn't expectable to discuss here. Sound Good Broncos Football Guru?

[Mile High Mojoe]

People babble about the vaunted running game, insert BOBO THE CLOWN and you're set. But isn't it funny that NONE of these guys are true feature backs? In and out, Shanny rotates these guys for 'parts' because not one has a complete ability to run and score. None since TD, that is.

Shanahan isn't blameless here either. Who was infatuated with Jake? Who's titanic ego assumed he could remake the wheel with this guy? Who's willing to deflect blame and toss anyone and everyone overboard to preserve his 'once genius, top coach in nfl' status? Is he never wrong? Does he ever coach poorly? No, never. But if Cutler turns out well he'll take all the credit!

Maybe it's truly time for SHANAHAN to go.


I think if Shanny would stick with one RB for a whole game maybe 2 games, maybe one of them could become a feature back. He just can't stand to run the ball even when it's working, even when one back starts to get in a groove, even when he has a 17 point lead. I hate the way he rotates them in and out it's not working.

I do agree with what you're saying about his undying love for Jake and his deflecting the blame elsewhere. I think in the last 6 years his ego has harden to the point that he just won't except the fact that maybe he could be wrong.

I don't want Shanny to go, he's the best thing to ever happen to Denver, I think he should replace Jake and move on. I can't wait to see what Cutler can do.

[Popps]

Taco, is this not the definition of a "Butt" thread?

Good lord, dude. This place is over-moderated to hell and swill like this lives on the front page?

[Mile High Mojoe]

Taco, is this not the definition of a "Butt" thread?

Good lord, dude. This place is over-moderated to hell and swill like this lives on the front page?Thank you, you just made my point you control freak.

[Popps]

Thank you, you just made my point you control freak.

Hilarious!

Should I be getting a restraining order at this point?

Good god.

Someone tell me this dude is a joke.

[Popps]

OMG!!!

I guess I should be hooking up that restraining order right about now.

Dude's private message to me:

Why don't you kiss my ass you know it all bastard? Why don't you leave my threads only. I've seen some of your posts you idiot don't accuse me of having a butt thread when you specialize in you smart SOB.

LOL

[Mile High Mojoe]

Hilarious!

Should I be getting a restraining order at this point?

Good god.

Someone tell me this dude is a joke.You're the Joke Man, crying to Taco, Come on... is that what you do every time someone has a beef with what you've said? I think whimps like you should be the ones banned from this site. You can dish it out all day long but once someone calls you on sometime you go cry to Mommie. Unreal. :vermeil:

[Blueflame]

Hey, guys... perhaps a bit of restraint with the rhetoric is in order here. If you can't address each other civilly, one or the other... or both... might just find the Mane more pleasant with the "ignore" feature utilized. Continuing to flame each other isn't solving anything.

[Popps]

Just curious don't most offenses sputter year this first year with a new OC?

Almost without exception. I've mentioned that many times. But, it's usually just taken as an excuse for Jake, which it's not. It's just one of many factors that have changed from last year, when the offense was very productive.

[Popps]

You're the Joke Man, crying to Taco, Come on... is that what you do every time someone has a beef with what you've said? I think whimps like you should be the ones banned from this site. You can dish it out all day long but once someone calls you on sometime you go cry to Mommie. Unreal. :vermeil:

No dude, it's just that when pyschos mention my children in their posts and then send me fatal attraction PMs, I figure it's worth noting to the mods in case I come up missing tomorrow or something.

I've had beef with plenty of people here. You're just a bona fide nut-case.

Seriously, dude.. up the meds and leave me out of your posts.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Hey, guys... perhaps a bit of restraint with the rhetoric is in order here. If you can't address each other civilly, one or the other... or both... might just find the Mane more pleasant with the "ignore" feature utilized. Continuing to flame each other isn't solving anything.I've disagreed with some of the things he's said and ever since he's been the one baiting me. I've got nothing to apologize for. If he gives it to me I should have ever right to give it back to him.

He'll win this one tonight because I'm tired and I'm going to bed. I'm sure he'll have the last word here because you don't get a million posts on this site by keeping your mouth mouth shut that's for damn sure. I don't claim to know everything but I know I'm right about that much with this guy.

Thanks for trying to be a peace maker, nice of you to care enough to get involved.

[Blueflame]

I've disagreed with some of the things he's said and ever since he's been the one baiting me. I've got nothing to apologize for. If he gives it to me I should have ever right to give it back to him.

He'll win this one tonight because I'm tired and I'm going to bed. I'm sure he'll have the last word here because you don't get a million posts on this site by keeping your mouth mouth shut that's for damn sure. I don't claim to know everything but I know I'm right about that much with this guy.

Thanks for trying to be a peace maker, nice of you to care enough to get involved.

We're all ticked off about the loss tonight... and the uncertainty of the team's QB situation (will Shanahan really bench Plummer in favor of the kid or is that just a rumor and the reality could be five more weeks of the same ol' same ol'?) is unsettling. Plus, it's late and many of us are tired and therefore testy. :P

Perhaps things will look better after we kick the living crap out of the Seahags.

[Atlas]

It's unbelievable to see how many of these 20,000 post’s geniuses on this site are now ready to flip flop on their Hero Jake and jump on the Cutler band wagon since the Broncos could be in real danger of not making the playoffs. It’s makes my laugh and at the same it makes me want to go into a blind rage and kick someone in the backside for being so short sided and stupid on this whole Jake the Fake debate.


Just because I defended Jake doesn't mean I'm not and haven't been ready for Cutler. I am a Bronco fan. I choose not to hate or get worked up about who is starting and who isn't. I supported Jake because he was starting and I like him as a person. I supported Jake because I'm a huge fan of Shanahan and I believe he probably has more football knoweledge than you or anyone else here on the Mane.

I will support Cutler with the same spirit and enthusiasm that I did with Jake.

It's called being a Bronco fan. The players aren't as important as the team.

Your arrogance, stupidity and the vileness of your post won't win any friends around here.

[Atlas]

I actually have liked some your posts. It's some of the other guys on this site to remain nameless, because they'll attack me again if I do, that has jacked me up since I became a member of this site. BTW I really hope Shanny did leak the Culter story, anything to get him in and Jake out is okay by me.

I bet TJ is relieved that you actually liked "some of his posts."

Taco you can take the knife away from your wrist he does like some of your posts..... good grief :thumbsdow.

[Taco John]

Mojoe, I appreciate your spirit, and know that you're heart is in the right place. But you're missing some pretty key perspective that would make your integration into the community much more smooth.

You are absolutely correct that the number of posts by long timers here doesn't equal intelligence. But it still represents something worth considering, and that's interaction, of which a by-product is respect. And I'm not talking "automatic respect" where people need to be respected for their post count. That's some BS. I'm talking about real respect, that gets built personally among posters in the good times and the bad times over multiple seasons, in agreements and disagreements, wins and losses, predictions gone good or bad, or any of the other instances that make up interaction here.

There are people on this board who have been posting on Broncos Boards with eachother on a semi-daily basis for over ten years now, each of which have a reputation and respect (or disrespect) that goes along with that reputation. And I don't want you, or anyone to read that wrong, and think that I'm saying that there is an exclusive club here and newcomers aren't welcome, because without a doubt the community likes to see new up-and-coming posters who come in and make a name for themselves (except Alec, who has been angry that I let newcomers join for years now). That's the lifeblood of this online community, and it's good stuff.

But take it easy on the fans who held out until the end with Jake, because as anyone with the experience that comes with a high post count will tell you, you might be at odds with someone now, but football has a fickle nature. The next time around you could be in the trenches right next to them defending something that you believe in, feeling like a jerk for acting like one before.

We're all here for the same reason (to talk Broncos) and the same goals (to have as much fun on the way to watching the Broncos win their next Superbowl). Just keep that in mind as you get to know the people here, and they start to get to know you.

[ZachKC]

So lets just get this out in the open. Mojoe is a pussy who belongs on MySpace. Thanks for your time.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Mojoe, I appreciate your spirit, and know that you're heart is in the right place. But you're missing some pretty key perspective that would make your integration into the community much more smooth.

You are absolutely correct that the number of posts by long timers here doesn't equal intelligence. But it still represents something worth considering, and that's interaction, of which a by-product is respect. And I'm not talking "automatic respect" where people need to be respected for their post count. That's some BS. I'm talking about real respect, that gets built personally among posters in the good times and the bad times over multiple seasons, in agreements and disagreements, wins and losses, predictions gone good or bad, or any of the other instances that make up interaction here.

There are people on this board who have been posting on Broncos Boards with eachother on a semi-daily basis for over ten years now, each of which have a reputation and respect (or disrespect) that goes along with that reputation. And I don't want you, or anyone to read that wrong, and think that I'm saying that there is an exclusive club here and newcomers aren't welcome, because without a doubt the community likes to see new up-and-coming posters who come in and make a name for themselves (except Alec, who has been angry that I let newcomers join for years now). That's the lifeblood of this online community, and it's good stuff.

But take it easy on the fans who held out until the end with Jake, because as anyone with the experience that comes with a high post count will tell you, you might be at odds with someone now, but football has a fickle nature. The next time around you could be in the trenches right next to them defending something that you believe in, feeling like a jerk for acting like one before.

We're all here for the same reason (to talk Broncos) and the same goals (to have as much fun on the way to watching the Broncos win their next Superbowl). Just keep that in mind as you get to know the people here, and they start to get to know you.

Thanks Taco,

I appreciate you taking the time to write this. To me there is enormous amount arrogance among some of the Old Timers on this Board that slaps in the face of the very point you’re trying to make here. I’ve been a fan since 1966, I’ve been on this site maybe 6 weeks. I’m not some casual fan, some Johnny Come Lately and it really gets under my hide when a guy like Popps tells me I’m a crazed fan and that my Broncos IQ doesn’t measure up to his incredible genius.

I watch the games, I’m completely aware we’ve had trouble at other positions on the team. I know that Lepsis getting hurt didn’t help and that Pears is not up to his level of play yet. I know Foster got benched and Meadows came in for him at RT because he wasn’t playing well. I know Gold has missed some tackles. I know that DJ has not always been in the right position and blown some plays. I know that the front 4 haven’t given us a good enough pass rush this season as we would have hoped for. I know that our special teams have given us poor field position. I know Champ Bailey is the best Corner in the League right now.

BTW, any fan who’d bash this D and say a thing like, “They just quit yesterday against the Chiefs” is the most retarded thing I’ve read yet on this site. They single-handedly have carried this team all year, whatever the other talking points may be this is the bottom line.

IMO, Popps and a few others on this site recite this info like we are in football class 101 and that we don’t know what some of the weakness on the team are unless they tell us These and some of the issues are worthy of discussing it just seems to me at the beginning of the season there was a group of Dominatrix on this site that could not believe that anyone would carry on and on about how lousy Jake was playing this year. If you did you were accused of treason or blaspheme for pointing a single finger at Poor Jake. You were called a non-fan, a hater, an idiot whatever you could think of.

To me the QB position sets the table for the rest of the team in both leadership and confidence. None of that has existed in Jake since he got crushed in the AFC Championship Game last year. He’s been a Dead Man Walking since then. He’s almost taken the entire team down to his bumbling, nervous and impatient level. To any fan of the Broncos it’s the single biggest story of the year. People are going to talk about it and discuss it because the QB is supposed to be the LEADER of the team.

I get on this site to see what Broncos Fans are saying about Plummer not to see how many tackles DJ missed in the 4th quarter of the Chiefs game. I’m not here to see who’s on the IR, not to read what the latest power polls are, not to get involved in a Chiefs or Chargers Fans thread. I want to read what others have been saying about Plummer. I can get all this other info from the Denver Post, ESPN or NFL.com. I can watch the NFL Network or listen to KOA all day long to follow the other stories on the Broncos.

I like coming to this site to see what the other true Bronco Fans are talking about when it comes to the single most important position player on the Broncos. We can break down the other parts of the game a million ways, study stats, talk about injuries, other teams in the division, Rookies, etc. etc. which I do all week long because I’m a fantasy junkie too.

So when a guy like Mr. Popps or one of your other Old Timers on this site tries to preach the gospel of Broncos to me maybe they don’t know that I’ve been in this church for 40 years myself. I don’t know everything either but please I’d like to be able to talk about Jake and argue with people about his game when I think they have been wrong about him since the beginning of this year.

I’ve seen some of the other guys who have posted on this site say the same things I have but they get slammed or hijacked by the likes of Poops telling us we need to look else where because there are other problems on the team. No Duh, we know this okay?

Long, long rant here I’m sorry but this has been bugging me about this site from day one. My biggest mistake last night was I should have never got on the computer after the game. I usually need a good night’s sleep to cool off after a Broncos loss and I didn’t do that last night. Popps is an easy target because his endless rants on the defense of Jake bordered on the insane to me. I’ll bury the hatchet if he does but don’t call me a hater when I get jumped with a slam, he better be prepared to get some back if does the next time.

[Crushaholic]

I get on this site to see what Broncos Fans are saying about Plummer not to see how many tackles DJ missed in the 4th quarter of the Chiefs game. I’m not here to see who’s on the IR, not to read what the latest power polls are, not to get involved in a Chiefs or Chargers Fans thread. I want to read what others have been saying about Plummer. I can get all this other info from the Denver Post, ESPN or NFL.com. I can watch the NFL Network or listen to KOA all day long to follow the other stories on the Broncos.

Interesting. You have no interest in discussing news concerning the rest of the team and the ramifications of that news?

[Popps]

Thanks Taco,

it really gets under my hide when a guy like Popps tells me I’m a crazed fan and that my Broncos IQ doesn’t measure up to his incredible genius. .

No, you're not a crazed fan. You're just crazed. Literally.

That's evident by the fact that I've never referenced your IQ, whatsoever. I haven't given you that much thought.

I have my opinions, you have yours. Sorry you don't care for mine. I obviously don't care. I stopped taking your posts seriously (as many did) after you posted your thread wishing hatred on Broncos fans.

But, nice job twisting Taco's good-will post into some kind of bizarre, twisted, 35 paragraph hate-fest.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Interesting. You have no interest in discussing news concerning the rest of the team and the ramifications of that news?Sure I do but I don't want some Blowhard telling me what I should and shouldn't talk about on this site. I read a lot of the threads that are posted here I just don't always get involved in the discussion. The Plummer story is biggest of the year, before last week if his name got brought up in a negative way on this site many wanted you to face a firing squad.

Now that the Broncos are 7-4 and could be sliding out of the playoff picture it's different story.

[TomServo]

if you can complete the following sentence you are an internet fan.
what raider fan had his sig? the raider nation shall represent?
Tacos bane was what? Buster T What?
whos ending was the same as jim rome?

[Mile High Mojoe]

No, you're not a crazed fan. You're just crazed. Literally.

That's evident by the fact that I've never referenced your IQ, whatsoever. I haven't given you that much thought.

I have my opinions, you have yours. Sorry you don't care for mine. I obviously don't care. I stopped taking your posts seriously (as many did) after you posted your thread wishing hatred on Broncos fans.

But, nice job twisting Taco's good-will post into some kind of bizarre, twisted, 35 paragraph hate-fest.

So I posted a fake thread to light a fire under guys exactly like you who have teabagged Plummer since the day he came to Denver. Maybe my thread was false but you are a complete phoney. The only one who has a high opinion about your opinion is yourself. I don't wish hatred on anyone. You're just on the defensive now that you were on the wrong side of the Jake debate.

But it doesn't stop there, you've bashed the D, the OL, the DL, the S's, CB's Shanny, I have read your posts. You backed yourself into a corner with Jake and just like Jake you're trying like hell to crawl under a rock and do damage control.

I read you insightful comment on how the Broncos D just quit in the KC game. You call the D quitters? They've been carrying a lousy QB and offensive for 11weeks playing there guts out to keep us in games.

The reason the OL and running game hasn't performed well is there has been a zero threat of a passing game, when Jake can't complete a 5 yard screen pass what happens next? They don't respect the pass anymore and all they have to do is bring there S's or CB's up and just form a simple brick wall to shut down the running game. How the hell does any OL open up holes with that kind of an offense?

If you didn't see that in the Chiefs or Chargers games which one's were you watching? Madden or maybe electric football games which was it?

[Mile High Mojoe]

I've been in a heated debate with Popps for several weeks about Jake. After the Chiefs game I started a thread that he hijacked, then he baited me. I've tried to ignore his smart ass comments and know-it-all attitude when he's posted comments about what I have said on different post's or threads.

I was then and I still am now one of the biggest critics of Jake. A couple of weeks ago when anyone who would call Jake out for his rotten play said anything on this site there was full on assault from the likes of Popps defending Jake. I called him on his defense and suddenly I'm getting knocked off the board.

I'm reposting this to see if if anyone feels the same way. It'll be interesting to see if the moderators will flog me again and send me to the gallows. If they do then I've made my point and this site is just a sounding board for a select few. If not maybe this site really is a place were some honest debate can go on among Bronco Fans.




Thanks Taco,

To me there is enormous amount arrogance among some of the Old Timers on this Board that slaps in the face of the very point you’re trying to make here. I’ve been a fan since 1966, I’ve been on this site maybe 6 weeks. I’m not some casual fan, some Johnny Come Lately and it really gets under my hide when a guy like Popps tells me I’m a crazed fan and that my Broncos IQ doesn’t measure up to his incredible genius.

I watch the games, I’m completely aware we’ve had trouble at other positions on the team. I know that Lepsis getting hurt didn’t help and that Pears is not up to his level of play yet. I know Foster got benched and Meadows came in for him at RT because he wasn’t playing well. I know Gold has missed some tackles. I know that DJ has not always been in the right position and blown some plays. I know that the front 4 haven’t given us a good enough pass rush this season as we would have hoped for. I know that our special teams have given us poor field position. I know Champ Bailey is the best Corner in the League right now.

BTW, any fan who’d bash this D and say a thing like, “They just quit yesterday against the Chiefs” is the most retarded thing I’ve read yet on this site. They single-handedly have carried this team all year, whatever the other talking points may be this is the bottom line.

IMO, Popps and a few others on this site recite this info like we are in football class 101 and that we don’t know what some of the weakness on the team are unless they tell us. These and some of the issues are worthy of discussing, it just seems to me at the beginning of the season there was a group of Dominatrix on this site that could not believe that anyone would carry on and on about how lousy Jake was playing this year. If you did you were accused of treason or blaspheme for pointing a single finger at Poor Jake. You were called a non-fan, a hater, an idiot whatever you could think of.

To me the QB position sets the table for the rest of the team in both leadership and confidence. None of that has existed in Jake since he got crushed in the AFC Championship Game last year. He’s been a Dead Man Walking since then. He’s almost taken the entire team down to his bumbling, nervous and impatient level. To any fan of the Broncos it’s the single biggest story of the year. People are going to talk about it and discuss it because the QB is supposed to be the LEADER of the team.

I get on this site to see what Broncos Fans are saying about Plummer not to see how many tackles DJ missed in the 4th quarter of the Chiefs game. I’m not here to see who’s on the IR, not to read what the latest power polls are, not to get involved in a Chiefs or Chargers Fans thread. I want to read what others have been saying about Plummer. I can get all this other info from the Denver Post, ESPN or NFL.com. I can watch the NFL Network or listen to KOA all day long to follow the other stories on the Broncos.

I like coming to this site to see what the other true Bronco Fans are talking about when it comes to the single most important position player on the Broncos. We can break down the other parts of the game a million ways, study stats, talk about injuries, other teams in the division, Rookies, etc. etc. which I do all week long because I’m a fantasy junkie too.

So when a guy like Mr. Popps or one of your other Old Timers on this site tries to preach the gospel of Broncos to me maybe they don’t know that I’ve been in this church for 40 years myself. I don’t know everything either but please I’d like to be able to talk about Jake and argue with people about his game when I think they have been wrong about him since the beginning of this year.

I’ve seen some of the other guys who have posted on this site say the same things I have but they get slammed or hijacked by the likes of Popps telling us we need to look else where because there are other problems on the team. No Duh, we know this okay?

Long, long rant here I’m sorry but this has been bugging me about this site from day one. My biggest mistake last night was I should have never got on the computer after the game. I usually need a good night’s sleep to cool off after a Broncos loss and I didn’t do that last night. Popps is an easy target because his endless rants on the defense of Jake bordered on the insane to me. I’ll bury the hatchet if he does but don’t call me a hater when I get jumped with a slam, he better be prepared to get some back if does the next time.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think you're the most annoying n00b on this site in months.

[Hotwheelz]

I agree with Bob. Go away.

[Mile High Mojoe]

I think you're the most annoying n00b on this site in months.Your opinion means nothing to me, if you were a Broncos fan maybe, so just go away and stay out this.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

What the n00b has is a very bad case of vaginal silicosis... I suggest he gets a massengil to wash out the sand.

[Natedogg]

I havn't been here too long. But I have been here long enough to not let somthing pops says get under my skin. Send this tread to the Butt please.

[orinjkrush]

There is a nugget in what you say, IMHO. There is a "good ole boy" sorta flavor to things here, sometimes. But it's not as pronounced as you feel it. Lots of us infrequent flyers on the site get to post our rantings and mostly folks talk to us not at us. Some of the old folks are really patient and will help newbies along the way. Even Mock has a soft spot now and again. But, I think it helps everyone to take a second, a deep breath and remember we all are fans of the Bronks, even though we don't know the same things or feel the same way about events. Pax vobiscum.

[2KBack]

there's an ignore feature for a reason

[CBF1]

This is a bronco forum, Not a pissing contest between posters.

Post your opinion about bronco related things and leave the other crap at home please.

[azbroncfan]

You could change the name of the thread to make it pretty funny.

[Popps]

Wow.

[rbackfactory80]

I happen to enjoy reading the work of Popps. I think he states some very important things related to Broncos football. I do read much of what he writes and never see him attacking other posters the way you say he is. You have made a big deal about nothing by starting not one thread, but two on the same subject. I do not see Popps playing this game and would go as far as to say Popps has done the exact opposite. When posters such as Freak would rag on Popps he does not even reply. So why would you be bothered by someone on this board anyway. If their post count intimidates you then so be it, otherwise just let it be. I have no problem with you, I just guess I see this site a something different then you. To me it is a source and discussion of Broncos and not a popularity contest.
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