Now I'm pissed at NFL Network...

[That One Guy]

I've been paying $8 a month just to get NFL Network just to find out on Thanksgiving morning that I'm paying for a version that wont be running any primetime games? There's a bar running across NFL Network saying I'm not getting the game tonight and my guide confirms. No Broncos despite subscribing to their channel? Anyone heard anything about this stuff?

[ludo21]

As far as i know their is only 1 nfl network channel, how could you be getting NFL Net and not be getting the game?

[Northman]

Yea, now you have me worried. im going to check.


Just checked. Im getting the game.

[That One Guy]

This is off the NFL Network site. Others may want to check to be sure they are actually getting the games and not the half assed channel I'm getting at http://www.iwantnflnetwork.com/e.html. Just look up your provider and it'll say if you're getting games. If you're not listed, you may get the channel but not the games. This is a little blurb from the site.

(If your cable company does not appear on this list, you may not be getting NFL Network or you may get NFL Network but your video provider has opted to not carry the live NFL Network games this fall.)


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[Northman]

Mine is on there, im guessing yours isnt?

[That One Guy]

Nope, mine isn't there and it's too late to get sattelite today. If I'd known this earlier in the week I wouldn't have cable. I'll definitely have some words for the cable company on Monday though. I'm so F'in pissed right now. Cutler better not start tonight...

[rbackfactory80]

212 baby bring it on

[Northman]

180 here. :)

[Broncoman13]

I dropped Cable just before the season began and brought in Dish Network... THE GAME WILL BE ON IN HIGH DEF! SWEET!

[gunns]

That's pretty sneaky, plus the fact I'm paying 3 dollars less than you are and I'm getting it.

[smalltowngrll]

I called last week to get dish network.... in order to do it they wanted a 2 year contract, no On Demand, no NFL Sunday ticket.... Not worth it!

But, I found a bar that will open just for the game!!! :) That's where I"ll be. :)

[Kaylore]

That's pretty sneaky, plus the fact I'm paying 3 dollars less than you are and I'm getting it.

Ouch.

[Circle Orange]

212.

[GreatBronco16]

Does direct tv have NFL Network HD? If so, what channel is it on?

[elsid13]

Does direct tv have NFL Network HD? If so, what channel is it on?

The HD broadcast is on channel 95.

[TexanBob]

NFL Network has tried to play hardball with cable operators so I guess some of them must have agreed to an "NFL Lite" that blacks out live programming. That sucks.

Time Warner Cable still hasn't agreed to carry NFL Network at all - so at least their subscribers aren't deceived about what they'll get (except possibly those who used to be Adelphia or Comcast subscribers).

I guess the NFL Network is just generating more bad will for themselves by making these games unavailable to so many.

[spdirty]

heh...I have dish and have the game on either channel 154, or 31. I get to pick what channel Im watching it on, because KDVR picked it up. Man, decisions decisions.???

[SureShot]

212 baby bring it on

Same here. Get Directv, cable sucks.

[yerner]

that is some bs, bro. sorry man. the nfl is an evil empire.

[azbroncfan]

It sucks I can't be home as I setup my TV and DTV for this game so I could have a party and watch game in highdef and I'm out of town on Reserve. At least I can go to sportsbar and watch.

[Hogan11]

NFL Network has tried to play hardball with cable operators so I guess some of them must have agreed to an "NFL Lite" that blacks out live programming. That sucks.

Time Warner Cable still hasn't agreed to carry NFL Network at all - so at least their subscribers aren't deceived about what they'll get (except possibly those who used to be Adelphia or Comcast subscribers).

I guess the NFL Network is just generating more bad will for themselves by making these games unavailable to so many.

Not only that, but the NFL Network is only reaching 40 million out of 111.4 million homes....that cannot be good for the Network nor can it be good with the fans since most will be excluded from getting the games. Unless something changes, I can't see this broadcasting games exclusively on the NFL Network as anything but a ill-conceived, short-lived concept.

[Garcia Bronco]

Leave these companies and get the dish...it's really simple. **** Comcast and Tit warner...and I hope this helps put them out of business.

[Hogan11]

Leave these companies and get the dish...it's really simple. **** Comcast and Tit warner

That's what the NFL Network is counting on...unfortunately, I don't think it'll happen to their satisfaction. I'll give it two to three years tops before they shut the idea down if nothing changes with the cable companies.

[Garcia Bronco]

That's what the NFL Network is counting on...unfortunately, I don't think it'll happen to their satisfaction. I'll give it two to three years tops before they shut the idea down if nothing changes with the cable companies.

I doubt that...the cable companies are the one's with the problem...not the NFL Network.

[Hogan11]

I doubt that...the cable companies are the one's with the problem...not the NFL Network.

When you're only reaching 40 million out of 111.4 million homes and irritating your fan base because of it....that's not good for the bottom line, period.

[Los Broncos]

If you have directv do you automatically get netnetwork or do you have to pay extra?

[Garcia Bronco]

When you're only reaching 40 million out of 111.4 million homes and irritating your fan base because of it....that's not good for the bottom line, period.

Well...are you going to quit watching it? Doubt it...and that goes along with most of the rest. You'll watch...you'll follow it. Time Warner and other will just lose customers until they decide to pick up the product. It's their problem. Not the NFL's. I doubt the NFL is losing money on the network and the programing is weak to begin with. What are the showing all day today? Cheerleader playoffs. Yay.

[alanm]

From what I've heard the NFL wants the channel placed on a basic tier on the cable providers. The cable companies want to put it on a sports tier or premium tier so they can charge more money for it the greedy bastiges.:cuss: :cuss:

It's the cable companies who are at fault.
But I'll be tuned in on 212:thumbsup:

[Hogan11]

Well...are you going to quit watching it? Doubt it...and that goes along with most of the rest. You'll watch...you'll follow it. Time Warner and other will just lose customers until they decide to pick up the product. It's their problem. Not the NFL's. I doubt the NFL is losing money on the network and the programing is weak to begin with. What are the showing all day today? Cheerleader playoffs. Yay.

Kinda hard to watch the NFL network when it's not available to you and no place in your town has it. I know some here have switched to the dish, but assuming the public at large is going to do that for a handful of games at the end of the season isn't very realistic if you ask me. The losses to the cable companies will be minimal, it's the NFL that's really going to lose cash on the deal when they compare the ratings of these games to those shown on the major networks. How long do you think they'll put up with that if the cable companies don't cave?

[ozomulsion]

There wouldn't have even been a 3rd Thanksgiving day game if not for the NFL network. I'm pretty sure of that.

[That One Guy]

From what I've heard the NFL wants the channel placed on a basic tier on the cable providers. The cable companies want to put it on a sports tier or premium tier so they can charge more money for it the greedy bastiges.:cuss: :cuss:

It's the cable companies who are at fault.
But I'll be tuned in on 212:thumbsup:

The issue is that the NFL Network is trying to force them to put it on basic so that every single cable subscriber is paying for it. They should put it on a Tier as they're talking, that way the bill stays cheaper for folks that don't want it. What I'd give to knock off $.05 or $.10 for the lifetime channel, scifi network, and all that other BS that fattens my cable bill. They should start a thing where you pay for every channel you want... if noone wants to watch the channel, they go outta business. Sounds like capitalism to me.

EDIT: I forgot, in my researching, I also saw that since they were adding games this year they upped the charge for the channel from $.20 per subscriber to $.70 per subscriber. Think of the NFL Network revenues if they could force EVERY household in America to take it in their basic cable bill. No wonder they're pushing harder for companies to put it on this year, since they raised the NFL Network fee %350.

[Garcia Bronco]

Kinda hard to watch the NFL network when it's not available to you and no place in your town has it. I know some here have switched to the dish, but assuming the public at large is going to do that for a handful of games at the end of the season isn't very realistic if you ask me. The losses to the cable companies will be minimal, it's the NFL that's really going to lose cash on the deal when they compare the ratings of these games to those shown on the major networks. How long do you think they'll put up with that if the cable companies don't cave?

They aren't losing anything. The contracts with the networks are already there. What are you talking about? The NFL doesn't lose money. And they aren't losing customers. Time Warner is losing customers and any other cable carrier that won't do business. It's really simple and I think it's awesome. The networks make money on the ratings....not the NFL...the NFL is already paid...and people will still watch..and the netwroks will still pay to show the games.

[That One Guy]

If you have directv do you automatically get netnetwork or do you have to pay extra?

It appears the DirecTV folks get it in their basic package. At least that's what the website says.

[alanm]

The issue is that the NFL Network is trying to force them to put it on basic so that every single cable subscriber is paying for it. They should put it on a Tier as they're talking, that way the bill stays cheaper for folks that don't want it. What I'd give to knock off $.05 or $.10 for the lifetime channel, scifi network, and all that other BS that fattens my cable bill. They should start a thing where you pay for every channel you want... if noone wants to watch the channel, they go outta business. Sounds like capitalism to me.

I seem to recall that a bill of some sorts making channels ala cart on the cable and satelite-sp carriers going to the house this coming term.
I think that's a good thing but I could see the cost of channels going skyhigh.

[That One Guy]

I seem to recall that a bill of some sorts making channels ala cart on the cable and satelite-sp carriers going to the house this coming term.
I think that's a good thing but I could see the cost of channels going skyhigh.

I don't have any background in the inner workings of it all... but in my limited comprehension of it all, if say... ESPN wanted to charge $3 a month for it... that may be expensive for a single channel so they'd get less subscribers than if they charged $1.50 per person. In the end, I'd pay a little more to only get the 10-20 channels I want rather than the however many I have for $70something a month.

Just looking in my first 15 channels, I have Shopping Kentuckiana, Today in Washington, Reading Rainbow, History on Book TV (WTF?! on book... on TV?), paint paper and crafts... that's within like a 10 channel spread. That's what I'm paying for. That drives me crazy

[Sodak]

The NFL Channel added a sur-charge to the cable operators after the cable company's agreed to the contract. Charges to the cable companies have increased 200-1000% (depending on the information source) after NFL Channel decided to carry the games. This sounds like a bait and switch scam to me. I'm pissed at both the cable companies for not absorbing the cost for their customers who should expect the games to be shown, and the NFL Channel for being schyster greedy corporate ufcks.

I'm going to call it now. I can see the day when the Super Bowl is pay per view, and includes commercials.

[Hogan11]

They aren't losing anything. The contracts with the networks are already there. What are you talking about? The NFL doesn't lose money. And they aren't losing customers. Time Warner is losing customers and any other cable carrier that won't do business. It's really simple and I think it's awesome. The networks make money on the ratings....not the NFL...the NFL is already paid...and people will still watch..and the netwroks will still pay to show the games.

People will watch the games they get...and some 71 million people are not getting the games on the NFL Network. Does that mean fans are going to stop watching the NFL altogether? No. Does that mean the public in masse is going to drop cable companies for dish networks just to obtain the NFL Network? No.
What it means is that fans are going to be left out in the cold and it's already causing some animosity towards both the league and the cable companies that I really expect to snowball in the coming weeks.

[Dudeskey]

I've been paying $8 a month just to get NFL Network just to find out on Thanksgiving morning that I'm paying for a version that wont be running any primetime games? There's a bar running across NFL Network saying I'm not getting the game tonight and my guide confirms. No Broncos despite subscribing to their channel? Anyone heard anything about this stuff?

That wasn't ****ing comcast was it?

[Garcia Bronco]

People will watch the games they get...and some 71 million people are not getting the games on the NFL Network. Does that mean fans are going to stop watching the NFL altogether? No. Does that mean the public in masse is going to drop cable companies for dish networks just to obtain the NFL Network? No.
What it means is that fans are going to be left out in the cold and it's already causing some animosity towards both the league and the cable companies that I really expect to snowball in the coming weeks.

Anyone angry at the league has their anger misplaced....direct it where it belongs....the cable company that won't carry it

[smalltowngrll]

Either way...I like my cable better. I don't like the fact that the satelite companies want you to sign a contract with them. Screw that...I have no clue where my life will lead me in two years and if I'm required to pay a cancellation fee of upwards of 150-200 that's just worthless. Plus, I love the On Demand feature I have with Cable. And, it's the same cost. More features, less money...only thing, I miss a Broncos game here or there. That's where Sports Bars come in handy!

[Sodak]

The NFL owns the NFL Channel. If they get everything they want, eventually they will control the product from the beginning to the consumer. A great way to homogenize the market, ensuring complete control.

[That One Guy]

That wasn't ****ing comcast was it?

No, in my case it was Insight. At least I'll have the Orangemane chatroom... My how that chatroom has saved me this year.

[Hogan11]

That's where Sports Bars come in handy!

if you're lucky enough to have one with a dish in your town, that is.

[Sassy]

Thank God...I have friends with a big screen that are getting the game.

[smalltowngrll]

if you're lucky enough to have one with a dish in your town, that is.

Very true. I'd be up a creek without a paddle if not.

[Garcia Bronco]

if you're lucky enough to have one with a dish in your town, that is.

There is one everywhere unless you live in the sticks...in which case you should have dish yourself in that case.

[That One Guy]

The NFL owns the NFL Channel. If they get everything they want, eventually they will control the product from the beginning to the consumer. A great way to homogenize the market, ensuring complete control.

I heard there was a bit of curiousity towards the NFL Network broadcasting games and anti-trust issues. All this hardcore marketing of the NFL takes even more of the focus from the fans to $$$$ and there's noone involved with the NFL that's running short on $ so I hope they get nailed for making me miss Broncos games someday.

[Hogan11]

There is one everywhere unless you live in the sticks...in which case you should have dish yourself in that case.

I only wish that was true......but it is not the case.

[DeusExManning]

If you have the NFL network, you will get it.

[Los Broncos]

It appears the DirecTV folks get it in their basic package. At least that's what the website says.

Thanks man!

[chadta]

up here in canuckistan (just out side of toronto) the maple leafs have leaftv, its similar to the nfl network, you pay extra for it, and this year they are showing 10 leaf games that you cant get anywhere else, there is talk that this number will increase and that the ultimate goal is to have every game on PPV. I only hope that the nfl dosent go this route as well. That or i hope that the p4 cards get hacked wide open again.

[MileHighMagic]

I just got HD and this will be my first Broncos game in high definition. I am so fired up! DirecTV channel 95 baby!! :sunshine:

[TexanBob]

They aren't losing anything. The contracts with the networks are already there. What are you talking about? The NFL doesn't lose money. And they aren't losing customers. Time Warner is losing customers and any other cable carrier that won't do business. It's really simple and I think it's awesome. The networks make money on the ratings....not the NFL...the NFL is already paid...and people will still watch..and the netwroks will still pay to show the games.

You couldn't be more wrong. The hard-core NFL fans have already left the cable companies because of Sunday Ticket. Games on NFL Network will not add much to that exodus. Ask *anyone* in broadcasting and they will tell you that the NFL is a "loss leader". It costs more in rights fees than they make back in ad revenue. Why do you think ABC bailed out of MNF? They were getting their ass kicked by shows like "24".

So why carry the NFL at all? 1) For the Super Bowl which is among the top watched events every year and does make money for the network that carries it. 2) As an advertising vehicle for the rest of their show lineup. This was Fox's strategy when they first acquired the NFC package - as a way to draw attention to the rest of their programming. 3) Prestige. Sort of like having an NBA or NHL team in your town, carrying the NFL separates you from the WBs and UPNs of the world.

When the NFL's exclusivity contract with DirectTV expired in 2004, the league offered Sunday Ticket to a host of cable and satellite companies. Nobody wanted it - the league wanted too much money and the companies would not have made any money on it. They eventually went back to DirectTV which might go broke if they couldn't hold football fans hostage with Sunday Ticket.

Hogan is right that, eventually, NFL Network will have to give up carrying live games unless they get the cable companies to cave. Taking 6-8 games out of their other packages costs the NFL money they could have forced out of Fox, CBS or ESPN.

Plus, the NFL arrogantly acts like an 800-lb gorilla insisting not only that they be carried but also carried on the tier that makes the cable companies the least money. The end result of caving would be rate increases, this while the cable companies have competition on prices from satellite and from AT&T.

I haven't even gotten to the utter stupidity of scheduling a third game on Thanksgiving when most restaurants and bars are going to be CLOSED. Outside of the mountains and the plains, most businesses are not going to open their doors and drag in disgruntled employees just so folks with no NFL Network can watch Broncos-Chiefs. The NFL Network would have been smarter to start this the week after Thanksgiving but "smart" has not been the way this channel has operated from the very beginning.

[CBF1]

154 here in SoCal..... Lets kick some azz

[Garcia Bronco]

Wrong....they can do what ever they want and the won't lose a thing. Check the last record TV contract. Like I said. The cable company is the one with the problem and they will cave. And the NFL is not losing money which is what really matters.

"The hard-core NFL fans have already left the cable companies because of Sunday Ticket. Games on NFL Network will not add much to that exodus. Ask *anyone* in broadcasting and they will tell you that the NFL is a "loss leader". It costs more in rights fees than they make back in ad revenue. Why do you think ABC bailed out of MNF? They were getting their ass kicked by shows like "24"."

Not true there are many hardcore fans that do not have direct TV. Especially if they don't need it. As far as AD space. The NFL netwrok doesn't offer enough variety to make serious AD money. So if it is in fact a loss leader, but one that servers a purpose of exposure for a robust product..then it hardly matters

"So why carry the NFL at all? 1) For the Super Bowl which is among the top watched events every year and does make money for the network that carries it. 2) As an advertising vehicle for the rest of their show lineup. This was Fox's strategy when they first acquired the NFC package - as a way to draw attention to the rest of their programming. 3) Prestige. Sort of like having an NBA or NHL team in your town, carrying the NFL separates you from the WBs and UPNs of the world."

Yes this is why networks carry the product.

"When the NFL's exclusivity contract with DirectTV expired in 2004, the league offered Sunday Ticket to a host of cable and satellite companies. Nobody wanted it - the league wanted too much money and the companies would not have made any money on it. They eventually went back to DirectTV which might go broke if they couldn't hold football fans hostage with Sunday Ticket."

If so those comapnies screwed themselves out of subscribers...pure and simple and if they couldn't close the deal that's their problem and their customers problem. I highly doubt what you say is true.

"Hogan is right that, eventually, NFL Network will have to give up carrying live games unless they get the cable companies to cave. Taking 6-8 games out of their other packages costs the NFL money they could have forced out of Fox, CBS or ESPN."

The NFL still got plenty of capitial out of those networks. The bottom line on the contracts just doesn't fall in line with your and hogans argument

"Plus, the NFL arrogantly acts like an 800-lb gorilla insisting not only that they be carried but also carried on the tier that makes the cable companies the least money. The end result of caving would be rate increases, this while the cable companies have competition on prices from satellite and from AT&T.
"

No it wouldn't if the cable companies marketed a proper product. They raise rates all the time for no reason what-so-ever other than material greed. They should be offering channels al-carte anyway.

"I haven't even gotten to the utter stupidity of scheduling a third game on Thanksgiving when most restaurants and bars are going to be CLOSED. Outside of the mountains and the plains, most businesses are not going to open their doors and drag in disgruntled employees just so folks with no NFL Network can watch Broncos-Chiefs. The NFL Network would have been smarter to start this the week after Thanksgiving but "smart" has not been the way this channel has operated from the very beginning."

I take it then you won't be watching it tonight. Well...tune in here and there should be some updates.

[That One Guy]

I read somewhere that when this 8 game package was suggested, the highest bidder for the package was $400M so the NFL decided to keep it itself. While a bid in any sense was likely just for fun and the NFL planned on keeping the games anyhow, if the NFL nets less than $400M by keeping the games, they have theoretically taken a loss. I will be cancelling my NFL network on Monday and hoping to contribute to that loss.

[ZachKC]

The NFL is one of the most premiere entertainment products in the world.

They are holding the cards. Resistance is futile.

You people are hooked. I won't stop watching the Chiefs and you won't stop watching the Broncos.

[jgraves31]

cah412:

i have insight cable as well and just found out I won't be getting the game either

[TexanBob]

Here's a fairly balanced account of the impasse from ESPN:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2672291

Sometimes football fans are so egocentric that they can't believe there are people who don't watch pro football because it matters so much to them. The truth is more people will be watching Survivor than watching Broncos-Chiefs.

Ask yourself a simple question, Garcia. If carrying the NFL Network was an easy moneymaker, why are the top cable providers all resisting the NFL Network's demand? Who doesn't want to make money?

Perhaps the cable companies know they will lose more customers who are pissed over a 50-cent per month rate increase over a channel many do not care about than they will pissing off football fans by not carrying eight games.

This is business. Everybody is in it to make money. The NFL is basically demanding more money than it makes business sense for the cable providers to pay. The NFL thinks they have such a fan base that the cable companies will be deluged with complaints and capitulate. I think they've overplayed their hand.

Cable companies have made room for NBA,MLB,NHL,college football and college basketball PPV. The only one they don't make room for is the NFL and that's because the NFL prices itself in a way that the cable companies know they won't make any money. Just because a certain percentage of NFL fans will jump through hoops and pay hostage prices doesn't mean everybody will.

[That One Guy]

cah412:

i have insight cable as well and just found out I won't be getting the game either

That sucks. I'd rather have taken a shot to the nads every hour on the hour than to flip on the TV this morning and find out I wouldn't be able to see this game after thinking I would all week.

[That One Guy]

Here's a fairly balanced account of the impasse from ESPN:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2672291

Sometimes football fans are so egocentric that they can't believe there are people who don't watch pro football because it matters so much to them. The truth is more people will be watching Survivor than watching Broncos-Chiefs.

Ask yourself a simple question, Garcia. If carrying the NFL Network was an easy moneymaker, why are the top cable providers all resisting the NFL Network's demand? Who doesn't want to make money?

Perhaps the cable companies know they will lose more customers who are pissed over a 50-cent per month rate increase over a channel many do not care about than they will pissing off football fans by not carrying eight games.

This is business. Everybody is in it to make money. The NFL is basically demanding more money than it makes business sense for the cable providers to pay. The NFL thinks they have such a fan base that the cable companies will be deluged with complaints and capitulate. I think they've overplayed their hand.

Cable companies have made room for NBA,MLB,NHL,college football and college basketball PPV. The only one they don't make room for is the NFL and that's because the NFL prices itself in a way that the cable companies know they won't make any money. Just because a certain percentage of NFL fans will jump through hoops and pay hostage prices doesn't mean everybody will.

Today is bringing a sad reality for me. For years I have bought the shirts, hats, coats... all sorts of random Broncos gear as well as watched religiously when the Broncos were on and, quite often, no matter who was on. (The last few MNFs have been the exception). But, apparently, all this has done no more than make the NFL even more greedy and consumed with squeezing out every last penny. I'm not against the NFL Network in any sort or fashion, I'll be cancelling and demanding my money back on Monday. I'm so pissed about this game tonight and when I read into the background of the situation, the NFL folks just piss me off completely. Now I just wish I weren't just one of about 300,000,000 people in this country because maybe then my opinion would matter.

[Garcia Bronco]

Here's a fairly balanced account of the impasse from ESPN:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2672291


Ask yourself a simple question, Garcia. If carrying the NFL Network was an easy moneymaker, why are the top cable providers all resisting the NFL Network's demand? Who doesn't want to make money?

Perhaps the cable companies know they will lose more customers who are pissed over a 50-cent per month rate increase over a channel many do not care about than they will pissing off football fans by not carrying eight games.

This is business. Everybody is in it to make money. The NFL is basically demanding more money than it makes business sense for the cable providers to pay. The NFL thinks they have such a fan base that the cable companies will be deluged with complaints and capitulate. I think they've overplayed their hand.

Cable companies have made room for NBA,MLB,NHL,college football and college basketball PPV. The only one they don't make room for is the NFL and that's because the NFL prices itself in a way that the cable companies know they won't make any money. Just because a certain percentage of NFL fans will jump through hoops and pay hostage prices doesn't mean everybody will.


the main reason is the NFL network ties into a product they can't provide in direct ticket. That's what Time Warner even said originally. I can tell you another thing too....there is market for this stuff...obviously...that's why the networks pay the money. Ergo, the cables companies can make money on the NFL network in basic cable they just refuse to and hold people like hogan hostage in the process. Which is why they're a bunch of bastards.

[Garcia Bronco]

Today is bringing a sad reality for me. For years I have bought the shirts, hats, coats... all sorts of random Broncos gear as well as watched religiously when the Broncos were on and, quite often, no matter who was on. (The last few MNFs have been the exception). But, apparently, all this has done no more than make the NFL even more greedy and consumed with squeezing out every last penny. I'm not against the NFL Network in any sort or fashion, I'll be cancelling and demanding my money back on Monday. I'm so pissed about this game tonight and when I read into the background of the situation, the NFL folks just piss me off completely. Now I just wish I weren't just one of about 300,000,000 people in this country because maybe then my opinion would matter.


Blame your cable company. They're the ones putting the screws to you. They decide what channels they'll carry.

listen to it on www.850koa.com...it's still a ton of fun

[That One Guy]

Blame your cable company. They're the ones putting the screws to you. They decide what channels they'll carry.

listen to it on www.850koa.com...it's still a ton of fun

I only blame my cable company for making me think I was getting the game just to give me a fake NFL Network channel. I blame the NFL Network for taking games and cutting off anyone not willing to pay extra for em. The games used to be on basic channels but where does it end? Someone else suggested that eventually the SB will be PPV only. Does it stop there or once they see the marketability, do all playoff games follow suit? Then do all games with playoff implications become NFL Network games and basic TV channels just get the sub-.500 showdowns? Plain and simple, the NFL is squeezing every last dime out of this stuff and this is either the beginning or the end. If this idea fails miserably for the NFL Network, they'll go back to licensing out the games to other channels. If this idea succeeds, the NFL will take more and more games until they've milked every penny and screwed every fan that they possibly could.

[ludo21]

This is only the beginning unfortunately Cah imo.

Games will ALL be on NFl network in anothe 10 or so years probably.

I feel ya man tho, i had NO idea their was a 'fake' nfl channel.

[Garcia Bronco]

I only blame my cable company for making me think I was getting the game just to give me a fake NFL Network channel. I blame the NFL Network for taking games and cutting off anyone not willing to pay extra for em.

What do you mean pay extra? You can watch the game tonight...you just need to find a place where it's on. It's what I would do.

[Natedogg]

You could watch an internet video stream. Worse quality than tv though. I'm still very pissed that our stadium is named after a corporation that can be politely described as shady. I'll pry get crusified on this board, but I really dont like the ultra capitalism of the nfl. That goes for the ludacris salarys of the players as well.

I still watch every game though. I'm an addict.

[ludo21]

You could watch an internet video stream. Worse quality than tv though. I'm still very pissed that our stadium is named after a corporation that can be politely described as shady. I'll pry get crusified on this board, but I really dont like the ultra capitalism of the nfl. That goes for the ludacris salarys of the players as well.

I still watch every game though. I'm an addict.

same here, they are a greedy, greedy league for sure.

Players get paid MILLIONS for a sport that most of us would play for thousands, or for fun!!

And yet, i love it too much to ever give it up. ;D

[That One Guy]

What do you mean pay extra? You can watch the game tonight...you just need to find a place where it's on. It's what I would do.

I considered that but the outskirts of Fort Knox, KY don't offer much in the way of reputable sports bars. I know of a really nasty looking one up north but it's hardly the way I wanna be spending my Thankgiving when I could be at home with my family. Maybe this game wouldn't bug me so much if it weren't one of only three being played on Thanksgiving. I dunno

[Atlas]

I know Time Warner here isn't televising the game. They said the NFL Network wanted too much money..... god forbid they have to drop the food channel or something like that.

I love Direct TV.

[Garcia Bronco]

I considered that but the outskirts of Fort Knox, KY don't offer much in the way of reputable sports bars. I know of a really nasty looking one up north but it's hardly the way I wanna be spending my Thankgiving when I could be at home with my family. Maybe this game wouldn't bug me so much if it weren't one of only three being played on Thanksgiving. I dunno

you got broad band...listen to KOA...it's better than nothing and you can stay home. Some place streams it but I can't remember where

[Garcia Bronco]

There is a bw3 19 miles toward louisville

19 NE
Buffalo Wild Wings
502.935.1997
6801 Dixie Highway
Louisville, KY 40258

and

30 NE
Buffalo Wild Wings
502.499.BFLO (2356)
Stonybrook Shopping Center
9134 Taylorsville Road
Jeffersontown, KY 40299

[Natedogg]

you got broad band...listen to KOA...it's better than nothing and you can stay home. Some place streams it but I can't remember where

I agree listening to Dave Logan is not bad at all. In fact it could make for a great thanksgiving. Hook up the speakers.

www.850koa.com streams it in the us.

Overseas, use this link:

http://www.thegamelive.com/

[That One Guy]

You could watch an internet video stream. Worse quality than tv though. I'm still very pissed that our stadium is named after a corporation that can be politely described as shady. I'll pry get crusified on this board, but I really dont like the ultra capitalism of the nfl. That goes for the ludacris salarys of the players as well.

I still watch every game though. I'm an addict.

I don't really look down on the salaries of the players because it's something these people work their whole lives to get to. People work and train every day for years through high school and college to be the best to get to this level and reap the benefits. These people also destroy their bodies to do it. I'm 20 years old in the military and there's days where I wake up sore as hell if I've put in a hard day's work. I can only imagine how people like Rod Smith feel on Monday mornings when they've been out there getting smacked around and they're working on 40 years old. I think these people earn their money much more than the folks that sit behind desks and market them.

But I still agree with you that the NFL overall is getting so rediculously obsessed with making money that it's getting out of hand. I guess that a shade of respect is due to those stadiums that haven't sold the naming rights. I know Arrowhead and Texas stadium... That's about all I know of off the top of my head. I miss the days of Three Rivers and Mile High...

[Garcia Bronco]

I know Time Warner here isn't televising the game. They said the NFL Network wanted too much money..... god forbid they have to drop the food channel or something like that.

I love Direct TV.

I mean really.

[That One Guy]

There is a bw3 19 miles toward louisville

19 NE
Buffalo Wild Wings
502.935.1997
6801 Dixie Highway
Louisville, KY 40258

and

30 NE
Buffalo Wild Wings
502.499.BFLO (2356)
Stonybrook Shopping Center
9134 Taylorsville Road
Jeffersontown, KY 40299


Hmm... guess I didn't look hard enough. Never been there but the name does sound familiar. I guess I'll have to go check it out sometime. For tonights game, I'll likely be going with the KOA and the OM Chat for play by play. Thanks though, I didn't know that place was up there, I'm relatively new still.

[Disco Man]

I think the NFL network is not showing the game only to those who don't have digital cable. I read an article this week in the Post saying something along those lines, some of the smaller markets in Colorado wont get to see the game. Places like Grand Juntion and even Colorado Springs don't get Fox 31 out of Denver. They are showing it local.......for out of towners I would go to a sports bar and tell them to get the Fox feed from Denver, if they tell you thet they can't get the game on NFL network.

[Natedogg]

I don't really look down on the salaries of the players because it's something these people work their whole lives to get to. People work and train every day for years through high school and college to be the best to get to this level and reap the benefits. These people also destroy their bodies to do it. I'm 20 years old in the military and there's days where I wake up sore as hell if I've put in a hard day's work. I can only imagine how people like Rod Smith feel on Monday mornings when they've been out there getting smacked around and they're working on 40 years old. I think these people earn their money much more than the folks that sit behind desks and market them.

But I still agree with you that the NFL overall is getting so rediculously obsessed with making money that it's getting out of hand. I guess that a shade of respect is due to those stadiums that haven't sold the naming rights. I know Arrowhead and Texas stadium... That's about all I know of off the top of my head. I miss the days of Three Rivers and Mile High...


Well I don't agree with you on the salaries. Dont really want to get into the whole argument but i think teachers, servicemen and social workers, firemen, construction workers, etc. often work just as hard and sarcafice just as much.

And thefollowing is about to really hurt me:

I respect the chiefs for not selling their stadium name to a here today, merged tomorrow corporation. Keep the tradition guys.

:blueflame

[TexanBob]

I guess that a shade of respect is due to those stadiums that haven't sold the naming rights. I know Arrowhead and Texas stadium...

The Cowboys are building a new stadium...that's why they haven't sold the name to the old one.

As for Narrowhead, who knows? Maybe nobody wants to associate their good corporate name to the Queefs! Ha! ROFL!

[Garcia Bronco]

Hmm... guess I didn't look hard enough. Never been there but the name does sound familiar. I guess I'll have to go check it out sometime. For tonights game, I'll likely be going with the KOA and the OM Chat for play by play. Thanks though, I didn't know that place was up there, I'm relatively new still.

And Bw3 has an atmosphere were you can take the kids if you wanted.

http://buffalo.know-where.com/buffalowildwings/cgi/selection?mapid=US&lang=en&design=default&place=fort+knox%2C+ky

[TexanBob]

Hmm... guess I didn't look hard enough. Never been there but the name does sound familiar. I guess I'll have to go check it out sometime. For tonights game, I'll likely be going with the KOA and the OM Chat for play by play. Thanks though, I didn't know that place was up there, I'm relatively new still.

The real question, of course, is whether they are open on Thanksgiving night. Not to mention how you explain to your family that your priorities are so askew as to favor football in a bar for Thanksgiving instead of spending time with your family.

[Garcia Bronco]

The one in downtown Richmond is open tonight...as are many bars. Just like on Christmas Day

[That One Guy]

The one in downtown Richmond is open tonight...as are many bars. Just like on Christmas Day

HaHa... Going to watch football, especially a Broncos game, on Thanksgiving I can understand. I can't imagine going to a bar on Christmas Day though.

[Garcia Bronco]

HaHa... Going to watch football, especially a Broncos game, on Thanksgiving I can understand. I can't imagine going to a bar on Christmas Day though.

We go out for a movie and then for drinks every christmas day.

If you decide to go tonight call bw3's first to make sure they're open.

[missingnumber7]

Our local cable company, Cable One told customers that they were looking into getting the NFL network this summer. Then in August said that all the talk about that had gone through and they weren't going to get it this season. Then two weeks after the season started they said that they would look into it for next season. After some disgust I called Cable One. After much disgust and asking for supervisors I finally spoke to a manager who told me that Cable One would never get the NFL Network. I told him that their many lies and deceit would cost them more than one customer. He proceeded to tell me that their loyal customers wouldn't leave. I would be willing to bet that the monopoly over the cable competition in fargo has been surpassed recently by Dish network, especially with qwest working with the Dish network for a bundle package. I know that I switched and got my sunday ticket for free when I had to get the biggest tv package, but it was cheaper for the rest of the football season. NFL Network has changed some things in recent years and it is now getting better so you can have a cable tv and see it, Its time for cable networks to do the same.

[spdirty]

Now that I think about it, you guys that arent getting the game are lucky.

[ol number 7]

I think the NFL network is not showing the game only to those who don't have digital cable. I read an article this week in the Post saying something along those lines, some of the smaller markets in Colorado wont get to see the game. Places like Grand Juntion and even Colorado Springs don't get Fox 31 out of Denver. They are showing it local.......for out of towners I would go to a sports bar and tell them to get the Fox feed from Denver, if they tell you thet they can't get the game on NFL network.

Ahh, you remember the ol days at Ozzies. Give me the damn remote and go get me another Southern Comfort. Scanning the skies waitin for a hit.
Finally bingo !!! Game on !!! Now get me another Southern Comfort! On the House.