NFL network - Jay likely to start against Seattle

[DB84FAN]

Listening the way the players are talking and media is coming up with comments, it looks like jay might start. Did anyone here anything about this ? Is he going to start from the seattle game going forward ?

[Kaylore]

I think that they feel that would be the best time to do it. I predicted that that is when it will happen but Shanahan wisely hasn't said anything yet. The only way we start Jay is if Jake plays lights out and we win this Thanksgiving. The odds of that happening are next to zero.

[Darkhawk24]

I personally don't think so unless Plummer is just plain horrible. I am just about ready to see the kid play. I was hoping Plummer could play good enough this year to keep the controversy away.

It's tough watching Plummer QB this team there is no doubt about that. Ugh!

[Clockwork Orange]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=49617

Khan called it.

[Kaylore]

I personally don't think so unless Plummer is just plain horrible.
Um, are you a time traveler from 2005?

[Kaylore]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=49617

Khan called it.

No I haven't called anything yet. We are two games away from that, so just sit tight. I will say that I'm pretty convinced media folks read this site. Actually I knew that, but I mean more than the ones I know of.

[Darkhawk24]

Um, are you a time traveler from 2005?

Okay maybe I deserved that. I mean REALLY bad. I don't think Shanny is ready to put a rookie in there in the middle of the year with a veteran team. I understand what you are saying and I have been ready for awhile now to make the change. I just don't think Shanny is ready. Meh.

[Popps]

Still think it would be a weird play on Shanahan's part to wait a week, just because the chances are decent that we could win. Again, let's say Jake plays mediocre Thus and we still get it done. How does he explain to his team that he's pulling an 8-3 QB after a win? Jokes aside, that's a bit of a sticky situation.

Then, if Jake plays well and we lose... well, that's a tough time for a switch-out, too.

Too many weird scenarios. If I'm Shanny, I'd start Cutler this week if I were really serious about the idea. Then again, if I was Shanny, I would have gotten this team some friggin' d-line help!

He'll do the right thing. I'm confident of that.

[Popps]

I'm still digging for any decent quotes/bytes from the staff on this situation. Can't really find anything.

[toad]

I think it will take a loss at KC which directly correlates to a poor Plummer performance.

If we win you can't pull him...he he plays well and we lose its still tough to pull. It has to be a loss and poor performance, IMO.

[DB84FAN]

if we win, the seattle and kc game.. we can be back in the hunt.. 9 -3 before going to sd again.. and with them playing so well. i dont think we can win the game with the team we saw in the last quater of the sunday night game. So i consider if that is how it turns out it will be 9 - 4, with cinccy, sf and arizona. where we can take a chance as i think 10 will do it. i want to see the kid play a game before we go into the playoffs.

If we lose 2 out of the next three.. then we will be 8 - 4, struggling for playoff lives. at which point i dont think shanny will give the kid any chance. But it will be good to see just before the getting into the playoff cutler play and see if that ignites jake to do something before he departs as a bronco.

[DB84FAN]

. If I'm Shanny, I'd start Cutler this week if I were really serious about the idea. Then again, if I was Shanny, I would have gotten this team some friggin' d-line help!

He'll do the right thing. I'm confident of that.

I dont think this week is/was possible because of short week. but again by now, i am sure jay has his own set of plays and he has memorized the plays well enough too. But i really think, it will be better to start him at home. And seattle game before national audience will be a good opening for him... to start his career as a bronco. So win or lose, i think seattle game is the game he should be in.. if not that for he should start the final game of the season.

[broncofan2438]

Well hopefully Plummer trips over his dog and falls down the stairs, then we can see Cutler

[DB84FAN]

how many of you think, our play calling was bad after we took a 17 pt lead last week. i thought we had them under control and then once we gave the 3 and out, it changed to disaster. Do you think apart from plummer we are missing kubes as well and that is the problem here ?

[broncogary]

how many of you think, our play calling was bad after we took a 17 pt lead last week. i thought we had them under control and then once we gave the 3 and out, it changed to disaster. Do you think apart from plummer we are missing kubes as well and that is the problem here ?

No.

[Darkhawk24]

how many of you think, our play calling was bad after we took a 17 pt lead last week. i thought we had them under control and then once we gave the 3 and out, it changed to disaster. Do you think apart from plummer we are missing kubes as well and that is the problem here ?

I wish we kept with the run more. We were killing them on the run and it seemed Shanny started adding a lot more passing on 1st and 2nd downs. Also thought a few of the pitches we got burnt on was unnecessary. Overall I wasn't too upset with it if Plummer would have executed better we wouldn't be thinking much about it.

[spdirty]

Well hopefully Plummer trips over his dog and falls down the stairs, then we can see Cutler

That'd be the perfect scenario.

[WoodMan]

I don't think you will see Jay Cutler, unless the Broncos are mathematically eliminated from the playoff hunt. That isn't likely this year with the last two games being very winnable and putting us in the playoffs. Would I rather see Jay Cutler or make the playoffs this year. Make the playoffs! Next year will get here when it does.

[smalltowngrll]

I can't believe some of you wishing injury on someone for a sport! Idiots!

[broncogary]

I can't believe some of you wishing injury on someone for a sport! Idiots!

Maybe he'll just have his period.

[hades]

I think it will take a loss at KC which directly correlates to a poor Plummer performance.

If we win you can't pull him...he he plays well and we lose its still tough to pull. It has to be a loss and poor performance, IMO.


If the defense scores enough for us to win with Plummer playing bad, I think we see Cutler make his start.

[~Crash~]

That'd be the perfect scenario.

I hope you both are joking ! if not I hope you both see just how ****ed up you are !!!!!!!!!!!!

[DB84FAN]

I don't think you will see Jay Cutler, unless the Broncos are mathematically eliminated from the playoff hunt. That isn't likely this year with the last two games being very winnable and putting us in the playoffs. Would I rather see Jay Cutler or make the playoffs this year. Make the playoffs! Next year will get here when it does.

I hope that is the case and we will make it to the playoffs. but if we get to know for sure before the last game that we are in... i think it will be a great scenario in which jay can play the full game and also everyone would know how well he plays in regular season and then that would add.. some fire (thinking positevly) to plummer and his atitude to prove a point before he leaves.

I still think plummer is a fighter and he has the drive to win. but lacks the skill and he most of times plays like a college qb inspite of being in nfl for 10 yrs. But he sure will find a home somewhere else... but i dont think it is denver and i think there is a full game for sure jay will play this regular season

[Bronco Bob]

I see only one scenario where Cutler plays against Seattle.

If Plummer plays well, and the Broncos win, obviously Plummer stays.
If Plummer plays well, yet the Broncos still lose, Plummer stays.
If Plummer plays bady, but the Broncos win, most likely Plummer still stays.
Only if Plummer plays badly and the Broncos lose because of it does Cutler go in.
(If Plummer is injured, then obviouly Cutler starts no matter what)

[Man-Goblin]

I think it will take a loss at KC which directly correlates to a poor Plummer performance.

If we win you can't pull him...he he plays well and we lose its still tough to pull. It has to be a loss and poor performance, IMO.

I agree. There's no way Plummer plays well and they lose.

[SportinOne]

I agree. There's no way Plummer plays well and they lose.

Funny how that works... just goes to show how much he ties this team down...

We are also missing good punts too. When you combine 3 and outs and bad punts, that is just trouble for your defense.

[penguintheory]

How does he explain to his team that he's pulling an 8-3 QB after a win? Jokes aside, that's a bit of a sticky situation.

Decide already. Is Jake really a 8-3 QB or is this an 8-3 team?

[Kaylore]

Decide already. Is Jake really a 8-3 QB or is this an 8-3 team?

Won't happen. Popps will squirm and twist everything he can, fighting tooth and nail before he ever admits that he's wrong about anything. Even after Plummer is gone he'll still try to convince people that things were better with Plummer than they actually were.

[SureShot]

Decide already. Is Jake really a 8-3 QB or is this an 8-3 team?

Correction. 8-0 qb and 0-3 dline.

[Crushaholic]

Who needs rival trolls here when we have Broncos fans wishing injury on our QB?

[-Slap-]

Well hopefully Plummer trips over his dog and falls down the stairs, then we can see Cutler

I can tell you're 100% serious about this comment by the dog tripping reference. What an evil person you must be. This Thursday I will give Thanks that I'm more evolved than you as a human. You're a bad man, a very bad man. Boooooooo!

[Popps]

Decide already. Is Jake really a 8-3 QB or is this an 8-3 team?

Well, we're 7-3, and Jake is the QB. So, make of that what you want. That's kind of old news, at this point.

My point was just that I think this week would be the time to make a move because of the ramifications of potentially pulling your starter after a win. Shanahan has clearly stated that he wasn't going to make the Griese mistake again and lose his team. Winning on the road at K.C. and then pulling the starter in favor of a rookie would just be an odd message to the team.

YES, I understand that many of you can justify why it's NOT odd, but you're not Shanahan and he's got reasons for what he's doing.

I DO understand the short week thing. But, if we're only running like 7 of or 1000 plays in the playbook, couldn't Jay just learn those same few plays and run them more effectively?

That's been the argument, right? So, why would we need two extra days for that?

[Taco John]

I'm still digging for any decent quotes/bytes from the staff on this situation. Can't really find anything.

This is about all Shanahan has said on it publically:

On QB Jake Plummer’s performance in the past two games“We are just going to keep on working to get better. That’s what you practice for. We have had some good games, we have had some average games, and we have had some poor games on offense. We are going to keep on working and hopefully we will get on the positive side.”

On what exactly Plummer is struggling with“I am not going to go into those details. You can ask Jake or you come up with your theories but the bottom line is that it is a group of people working together, as we talk about each week. The quarterback usually gets the glory or a lot of the criticism but it has got to work together. A lot of people, a lot of components that make it work and hopefully we can improve a little bit in that area because we are off a little bit especially in our drop-back passing.”

[theAPAOps5]

A little off in Drop Back Passing! I would say the Broncos are a more than a little off in that area. That is the area Idiot is worst at.

[penguintheory]

Correction. 8-0 qb and 0-3 dline.

Surely you jest. Yes the D-line has been bad, but we're playing with what we've got: the most talented players we've got on the roster. They may not be great, but that's to be expected from a bunch of ex-Brown scrubs. Is that true with the QB situation? Last I heard we found ourselves some pretty decent talent right there on our roster...

[penguintheory]

YES, I understand that many of you can justify why it's NOT odd, but you're not Shanahan and he's got reasons for what he's doing.

This is something I can agree with you on. At this point I can only conclude there are unseen factors allowing Jake to continue as starter.

[Popps]

This is about all Shanahan has said on it publically:

On QB Jake Plummer’s performance in the past two games“We are just going to keep on working to get better. That’s what you practice for. We have had some good games, we have had some average games, and we have had some poor games on offense. We are going to keep on working and hopefully we will get on the positive side.”

On what exactly Plummer is struggling with“I am not going to go into those details. You can ask Jake or you come up with your theories but the bottom line is that it is a group of people working together, as we talk about each week. The quarterback usually gets the glory or a lot of the criticism but it has got to work together. A lot of people, a lot of components that make it work and hopefully we can improve a little bit in that area because we are off a little bit especially in our drop-back passing.”

So, I'm guessing no reporter has had the gonads to just ask him.... "HEY, when are you going to stick Cutler in there, dude?!"

[Taco John]

So, I'm guessing no reporter has had the gonads to just ask him.... "HEY, when are you going to stick Cutler in there, dude?!"


Oh hell no.

[JDB7821]

This is something I can agree with you on. At this point I can only conclude there are unseen factors allowing Jake to continue as starter.

Experience is the sole reason. It's extremely hard to win a Super Bowl with an unproven quarterback.

[fontaine]

Still think it would be a weird play on Shanahan's part to wait a week, just because the chances are decent that we could win. Again, let's say Jake plays mediocre Thus and we still get it done. How does he explain to his team that he's pulling an 8-3 QB after a win? Jokes aside, that's a bit of a sticky situation.

Then, if Jake plays well and we lose... well, that's a tough time for a switch-out, too.

Too many weird scenarios. If I'm Shanny, I'd start Cutler this week if I were really serious about the idea. Then again, if I was Shanny, I would have gotten this team some friggin' d-line help!

He'll do the right thing. I'm confident of that.

If Jake plays well, we're not going to lose.

[fontaine]

How does he explain to his team that he's pulling an 8-3 QB after a win?

Easy. Because he sucks a$$. Just like he cut a 13-3 DE in Trevor Pryce last year, or a 13-3 Jeb Putzier.

Well, we're 7-3, and Jake is the QB. So, make of that what you want. That's kind of old news, at this point.


Yeah the DL is also 7-3.

Those guys rule!
Hilarious!

[OrangeShadow]

thats what im thinking,the long week to prep jay.

[Barry Ramey]

If the Chargers were geared to stop the rollouts and some suggest, then one expect the Broncos to run the ball more. When they had the 24-14 lead and that one possession, 3 pass plays and the Chargers had them all covered.

One thing I believe this offense is missing is another TD at RB. This rotating thing can work here and there, but they need a big-time back that can run tough between the tackles and break long ones when there. Tatum is not a tough runner. Mike Bell is a tough runner, but no break away speed. Cobbs and Nash I doubt are the answers as well. RB is a need area on this team. A true #1 guy.

[Mile High Shack]

it's all on Jake tomorrow

the chiefs will load the box and try to stop the run and the bootleg and single cover wrs if you ask me

Jake will be forced to beat the chiefs, which scares me, but I think he has a bad game, so Shanny has the excuse to start Jay for good

[CBF1]

Am I the only one that cringes on every pass attempt hoping it is not an INT?

[Spider]

it seems to me , that Jake doesnt prepare well for the games .........

[Arkansas Bronco]

Am I the only one that cringes on every pass attempt hoping it is not an INT?

Trust me you arnt the only one. I have the same reaction.

[Broncoman13]

I'd love to see Jay start this week, but KC is one of the toughest places to play in the entire league. Couple that with a short turn, quick game plan, and Cutler not getting many reps and I think you have to start Jake tomorrow. Too many reasons not to start Cutler. Shanny won't come out and say anything until after the game tomorrow if he's planning on playing Cutler vs Seattle. Jake has to think he's the man still so we get a good effort from him tomorrow... at this point though, I don't think Shanny will stick with Jake, regardless of the outcome. It was said about 6 weeks ago that Shanny was waiting to see if Jake could be the AFC powerhouses. The likes of Indy and San Diego (at home mind you), and if he couldn't beat them during the regular season, there was no reason to believe he could do it during the playoffs.

[fontaine]

it's all on Jake tomorrow

the chiefs will load the box and try to stop the run and the bootleg and single cover wrs if you ask me


It won't be as bad. The chefs can't load the box to stop the run AND contain the bootleg.

If you want to contain the bootleg then you commit OLB/DE to stay disciplined for the perimeter to contain the rollout. That leaves runs inside.

If you commit the DL/LBs to contain the run then they have to protect the middle and focus there leaving the outside open to boots.

It's not quite as simple as that I know, but the only way to do both is to have two powerhouse DTs inside that can snuff the run without much help.

[Mile High Shack]

I'd love to see Jay start this week, but KC is one of the toughest places to play in the entire league. Couple that with a short turn, quick game plan, and Cutler not getting many reps and I think you have to start Jake tomorrow. Too many reasons not to start Cutler. Shanny won't come out and say anything until after the game tomorrow if he's planning on playing Cutler vs Seattle. Jake has to think he's the man still so we get a good effort from him tomorrow... at this point though, I don't think Shanny will stick with Jake, regardless of the outcome. It was said about 6 weeks ago that Shanny was waiting to see if Jake could be the AFC powerhouses. The likes of Indy and San Diego (at home mind you), and if he couldn't beat them during the regular season, there was no reason to believe he could do it during the playoffs.

that's exactly right

which is why we won't start Jay this week, Shanny will give Jake enough rope to hang himself

in fact, it won't surprise me to see a heavy dose of passing to see if Jake will fail, so he won't have any reason not to start Jay

[Mile High Shack]

It won't be as bad. The chefs can't load the box to stop the run AND contain the bootleg.

If you want to contain the bootleg then you commit OLB/DE to stay disciplined for the perimeter to contain the rollout. That leaves runs inside.

If you commit the DL/LBs to contain the run then they have to protect the middle and focus there leaving the outside open to boots.

It's not quite as simple as that I know, but the only way to do both is to have two powerhouse DTs inside that can snuff the run without much help.

they'll have an outside LB for contain on the weak side all game long if you ask me...they'll do exactly what SD did, to take away the threat of a bootleg.

then they'll put the rest in the box...but Law on Javon....they aren't worried about Rod beating press coverage either...and we have no threat of hitting our TEs...so they don't worry about that...they'll roll Surtain over to Javon's side every time

jake won't know what to do, he can't bootleg, he can't hand the ball off and he can't hit Javon

couple that with a defense who will bend over for LJ and Tony G all game long.......this game could get ugly fast

[fontaine]

they'll have an outside LB for contain on the weak side all game long if you ask me...they'll do exactly what SD did, to take away the threat of a bootleg.

then they'll put the rest in the box...but Law on Javon....they aren't worried about Rod beating press coverage either...and we have no threat of hitting our TEs...so they don't worry about that...they'll roll Surtain over to Javon's side every time


That's why Shanahan went 3 wide for a lot of the game which put SD into their nickel package and our OL is good enough so that guys in the interior will get to the LBs to block them out. Bell is pretty good in getting those tough kind of yards. Even with an extra LB we were able to run on SD with the 3 wide set.

Our running game will be ok. Just like the SD game it'll be up to them to get 3/4/5 yards a pop on 1st and 2nd and leave the offense in 3rd and short situations. Depending on the D formation we either ran on 3rd and short or passed it. Plummer will just have to convert some 3rd and short passes and occasionally throw it on 1st/2nd to keep the D honest on screens/short TE passes etc. That will be up to him allright.

It's about as insulated our offense can be from the QB position.

[Mile High Shack]

That's why Shanahan went 3 wide for a lot of the game which put SD into their nickel package and our OL is good enough so that guys in the interior will get to the LBs to block them out. Bell is pretty good in getting those tough kind of yards. Even with an extra LB we were able to run on SD with the 3 wide set.

Our running game will be ok. Just like the SD game it'll be up to them to get 3/4/5 yards a pop on 1st and 2nd and leave the offense in 3rd and short situations. Depending on the D formation we either ran on 3rd and short or passed it. Plummer will just have to convert some 3rd and short passes and occasionally throw it on 1st/2nd to keep the D honest on screens/short TE passes etc. That will be up to him allright.

It's about as insulated our offense can be from the QB position.

and that what scares me my friend........

Plummer has no confidence at all right now and looks scared

[fontaine]

and that what scares me my friend........

Plummer has no confidence at all right now and looks scared

I know. But in reality you can't make it more simpler than that unless you want to hand the ball off 50 times a game.

It really is an eye opener to see our pop warner passing offense and the problem is because it's that simple, it's so much easier to figure out and stop. That's why SD were able to halt our screens and after that we had no answers at all.

Can you imagine how mind numbingly painful it must be for an offensive guru like Mike to scale down an encyclopedia like playbook/offense to goo-goo ga-ga?

[Mile High Shack]

I know. But in reality you can't make it more simpler than that unless you want to hand the ball off 50 times a game.

It really is an eye opener to see our pop warner passing offense and the problem is because it's that simple, it's so much easier to figure out and stop. That's why SD were able to halt our screens and after that we had no answers at all.

Can you imagine how mind numbingly painful it must be for an offensive guru like Mike to scale down an encyclopedia like playbook/offense to goo-goo ga-ga?


so what changed? why did we look good on offense last year?

is it Heimerdinger?

I know this has been talked about on other threads, but I thought Dinger had the same offensive philosophy as Mike

and why doesn't Mike just take over the play calling totally

[bloodsunday]

It's pretty simple at this point, IMO. Jake appears to be down to single elimination. Win and you keep your job. I don't think Shanny makes a move after a KC win. A KC loss? Different deal.

[55CrushEm]

Am I the only one that cringes on every pass attempt hoping it is not an INT?

No, you're not. My brother and I were saying the exact same thing. Jake drops back and releases, and the first thing I do is wince/cringe. It is pure nervousness practically every time he throws the ball beyond 15 yards.

[bloodsunday]

so what changed? why did we look good on offense last year?

is it Heimerdinger?

I know this has been talked about on other threads, but I thought Dinger had the same offensive philosophy as Mike

and why doesn't Mike just take over the play calling totally

Who knows?
- Dinger? No kubiak to be the buffer?
- Cutler? Causing more pressure and a loss of confidence in Plummer?
- Fewer turnovers on D? (less chances for the O)
- The disappearing act the TE's have done?
- The inconsistency in the run game?
- The slowing of Jake's woobie (Rod)? Although he and Javon are clicking, he still locks into Rod in key situations.

A lot has changed. I was willing to give Jake a pass on some early season rust. But at this point he almost seems like he's resigned to the inevitable. That is the only reason I would be in favor of the move.

[ColoradoDarin]

Am I the only one that cringes on every pass attempt hoping it is not an INT?

No, you aren't the only one. I am usually relieved when the duck bombed into triple coverage isn't picked off. Or it's picked off on 3rd down and it was a 25+ pass/int so it's the same yardage as a punt as of late. I cringe expecting a fumble every time a DL gets near Jake too.

[fontaine]

so what changed? why did we look good on offense last year?

is it Heimerdinger?

I know this has been talked about on other threads, but I thought Dinger had the same offensive philosophy as Mike

and why doesn't Mike just take over the play calling totally

What changed?

The way defenses play us.

Going back to the Patriots game in the regular season and again in the playoffs. Bellicheck concentrated on keeping Plummer in the pocket at the expense of the run up the middle. Without Seymour we destroyed them against the run, but with Seymour back in the playoffs Jake badly struggled when he couldn't roll out and Rod was doubled since Lelie was dirt.

Bellicheck pretty much owned up and said we can't stop the Broncos running game so why spend so much energy trying to do it? Let's put pressure on Plummer instead by making him beat us as a drop back passer.

This is the way teams have been playing us all the time. So much so that the Rams who barely played a 3-4 look in preseason went that way to open up the season to take away Jake from his comfort zone.

We all knew deep down last year that Jake in the pocket was a different QB that Jake on the rollout/on the run.

Add the fact that he never really got going this season. Never got into a groove and gained confidence. It's clear he's shook up and having a blue chip prospect looking over his shoulder is really screwing with his poise.

All the playcalling in the world isn't going to make Jake execute from the pocket. That's up to him and him alone.

[WoodMan]

that's exactly right

which is why we won't start Jay this week, Shanny will give Jake enough rope to hang himself

in fact, it won't surprise me to see a heavy dose of passing to see if Jake will fail, so he won't have any reason not to start Jay

Are you serious? Do you really think shanahan wants to see jake fail (hang himself) in one of the most imporrtant games of the year?:loopy:

[bloodsunday]

What changed?

The way defenses play us.

Going back to the Patriots game in the regular season and again in the playoffs. Bellicheck concentrated on keeping Plummer in the pocket at the expense of the run up the middle. Without Seymour we destroyed them against the run, but with Seymour back in the playoffs Jake badly struggled when he couldn't roll out and Rod was doubled since Lelie was dirt.

Bellicheck pretty much owned up and said we can't stop the Broncos running game so why spend so much energy trying to do it? Let's put pressure on Plummer instead by making him beat us as a drop back passer.

This is the way teams have been playing us all the time. So much so that the Rams who barely played a 3-4 look in preseason went that way to open up the season to take away Jake from his comfort zone.

We all knew deep down last year that Jake in the pocket was a different QB that Jake on the rollout/on the run.

Add the fact that he never really got going this season. Never got into a groove and gained confidence. It's clear he's shook up and having a blue chip prospect looking over his shoulder is really screwing with his poise.

All the playcalling in the world isn't going to make Jake execute from the pocket. That's up to him and him alone.

I see this point and I clearly think it speaks to the need to get a more complete QB in the spot. But are we overestimating the completeness of Cutler right now? Is really capable of coming in and performing better than Plummer? I am not talking about stats. I am talking about W/Ls and offensive execution. I'll take a few more INTs (although its hard to imagine he can be more mistake prone than Jake) in return for a more consistent offensive and more playmaking. I am just not convinced a rookie can deliver this offense to the promise land, even if we accept his mistakes.

[fontaine]

I see this point and I clearly think it speaks to the need to get a more complete QB in the spot. But are we overestimating the completeness of Cutler right now? Is really capable of coming in and performing better than Plummer? I am not talking about stats. I am talking about W/Ls and offensive execution. I'll take a few more INTs (although its hard to imagine he can be more mistake prone than Jake) in return for a more consistent offensive and more playmaking. I am just not convinced a rookie can deliver this offense to the promise land, even if we accept his mistakes.


Repeat after me:

"If Jay starts, then all I expect is for the kid to get some experience in live games."

8')

Anything else is folly.

[DHBRONCO]

On CNN sports in there score card area under truth & rumor, they put in there "could Jake be heading to Philly". That is all they said about this. Has anyone heard anything else from creditable sources?

[bloodsunday]

Repeat after me:

"If Jay starts, then all I expect is for the kid to get some experience in live games."

8')

Anything else is folly.


But I want to win. I still view a playoff berth and an outside shot at the division as makable. We have two TOUGH games remaining -- division road games. If good Jake shows up for those two games, we should be in those games. I think its more likely that this team could run the table with Jake then that Cutler comes in and pulls a Big Ben. No disrespect to Cutler. But hey Leinhart was said to be the most NFL ready QB in the draft and look at his situation now.

As I say this I do realize that it may be moot as Jake's comments make me wonder if he isn't throwing in the towel.

[bloodsunday]

On CNN sports in there score card area under truth & rumor, they put in there "could Jake be heading to Philly". That is all they said about this. Has anyone heard anything else from creditable sources?

Schefter said that on the NFL Network. He is speculating that if McNabb isn't helathy in training camp they will want a starting caliber guy to get their season started.

There will be several teams interested in Jake. As limited as he is, he is an established starter in this league. Teams like Minnesota, Tampa, Oakland, etc... that have QB issues will consider him.

[Rock Chalk]

If Jake plays well, we're not going to lose.

Yeah, keep thinking that. If the defense doesnt stop LJ we will lose regardless if Jake plays well or not.

They couldnt stop LT and they really didnt stop LJ in the first game either.

The whole team needs to play well in the toughest stadium in America in prime time for us to win.

[bloodsunday]

The whole team needs to play well in the toughest stadium in America in prime time for us to win.

This is true. But I expect them to be a little extra jacked for this. A little more violent and pissed off after Sunday's debacle. If there is a good time to catch KC on the road, this could be it.

I also think playing at Arrowhead every season is a bit of an advantage as its not quite as intimidating. I actually find a place like Heinz field more intimidating just becuase we don't go there every year. And hey, we played one our better games of the year there.

This team went on the road to a tough environment last Thx Giving and found a way to win.

[Old Dude]

how many of you think, our play calling was bad after we took a 17 pt lead last week. i thought we had them under control and then once we gave the 3 and out, it changed to disaster. Do you think apart from plummer we are missing kubes as well and that is the problem here ?

Just wanted to mention that I was sitting there, watching the game with my wife at that point and she says something to the effect that we're looking pretty good. As soon as we went three and out on that series, I turned to her and said. "We're dead."

She didn't believe me, but she does now.

That series might have been the whole season. The play calling was strange and the execution was slop.

[Hotrod]

I can't believe some of you wishing injury on someone for a sport! Idiots!

What are you a girl or something ;)

Actually I agree as much as I want Jake on the bench I certainly dont want him to get hurt.

[smalltowngrll]

What are you a girl or something ;)

Actually I agree as much as I want Jake on the bench I certainly dont want him to get hurt.

LOL....last time I checked, I was! ;)

[DomCasual]

Okay, first, I have no idea where this comes from. I have not read or heard a thing that would indicate Cutler starting against Seattle.

That being said, I actually really like the idea. If I was Shanahan, I would announce it. It would 1) give Cutler almost two weeks to prepare; and 2) take a lot of pressure off Plummer for Thursday.

On the other hand, it could piss the whole team off, and Plummer could implode. But I really don't think so. After the Chargers game, Plummer seemed like a broken man. I honestly felt bad for the guy. I think getting out of Denver at this point is the best thing for Plummer the person. He's been playing with the weight of the world on his shoulders all season, and he's not the kind of person that seems to handle that well. I would bet that seeing light at the end of the tunnel - even if it isn't the light for which he had hoped - might feel pretty good.

[Mile High Shack]

I am truly worried about Cutler, I hope he can handle the brunt of a whole city depending on him

we have killed our last two QBs...Jake and SOB

hopefully we don't go 0-3 soon

[bloodsunday]

I am truly worried about Cutler, I hope he can handle the brunt of a whole city depending on him

we have killed our last two QBs...Jake and SOB

hopefully we don't go 0-3 soon

Amen! I used to think that if we got about 2 QBs beyond Elway it would get better. I was wrong. Between our whinning for a good QB and Cutler's high pick status I think we are making it an obsession.

He better light it up or the pressure on everyone will be intense. If we thought it was bad when Deltha O'Neal didn't pan out.... God forbit if Cutler turns out to be the next JP Losman or Chad Pennington.

[Hotrod]

Amen! I used to think that if we got about 2 QBs beyond Elway it would get better. I was wrong. Between our whinning for a good QB and Cutler's high pick status I think we are making it an obsession.

He better light it up or the pressure on everyone will be intense. If we thought it was bad when Deltha O'Neal didn't pan out.... God forbit if Cutler turns out to be the next JP Losman or Chad Pennington.

I dont know about this. Hell we gave Jake 3 1/2 years after hearing excuse after excuse after excuse. I think the fan base will give a rook more time. :)

[atomicbloke]

BREAKING NEWS:

Jay Cutler to start against Seattle.

Just saw it announced on NFL Network.

[Hotrod]

BREAKING NEWS:

Jay Cutler to start against Seattle.

Just saw it announced on NFL Network.

Dont get all excited the NFL Network gets most of its dirt from the Mane.

[atomicbloke]

Dont get all excited the NFL Network gets most of its dirt from the Mane.

Apparently, Adam Schefter (sp) got this infor from Shanny.

[Hotrod]

Apparently, Adam Schefter (sp) got this infor from Shanny.

Of course he did and where do you think Shanny gets most of his ideas from....hmmmmm ;D

Someone confirm this please.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

It's going across the bottom on NFLN right now.

However, it says Cutler will "most likely" start against Seattle, not definitely start.

[deputyorange]

Adam Shefter is reporting that Jay Cutler is likely to start vs. the Seahawks. Plummer still set to start vs. Chiefs. Just saw it on the NFL network "breaking news" ticker.

[cabronco]

If its true that is awesome !! Especially being able to see Cutler live in San Diego..Woot woot

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Doubt someone with as many connections to the Broncos would go on record with that if there wasn't a significant chance of it happening.

[Hotrod]

Im calling BS on Shanny its a ploy to make Jake pull his head out his.......

[Hotwheelz]

There Is A God!

[philiptr2]

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/5813/tomoprahexaltingol5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[B-Love]

This is a very logical situation, and even though it's reported as "breaking news", it just follows a very logical thought process.

And knowing Jake Plummer, this may actually make him feel a little less pressure tomorrow night. I know that sounds strange, but Jake has been feeling a TON of pressure.

[alkemical]

I hopped on here to validate the rumor -

[DomCasual]

If it's true, that game will be the most anticipated regular season Broncos game since - well, I can't remember when. It'll be a fun game to watch.

[ClevelandBronco]

I hopped on here to validate the rumor -

So... that makes it a real rumor then?

[ludo21]

WOW!!

I am shcoked they are announcing it this early.

Will it really happen tho?

[BigPlayShay]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1367538&postcount=110

[Circle Orange]

This makes no sense. What's the purpose of announcing a qb switch NEXT week?! What's that supposed to do, say the season is over? I just don't follow the logic. http://scosoft.com/s/g/2067cbb.gif

[Taco John]

I'm not going to get my hopes up. Need to concentrate on Jake winning this game... and whoever leaked it to Adam made a serious mistake that has divisional implications that could cost us a wild card spot.

Then again, I guess the argument could be made that Jake improved when Mortensen was saying similiar things, so who knows. Either way, I don't like the leak.

[Crushaholic]

If this is true, Shanahan must be writing off the KC game. I don't believe that for a second...

[Hotrod]

The real question that just begs to be asked...

"Is Jake the least bit surprised?"

[Rascal]

Just to throw some gasoline on the fire....

Wasn't it a couple of weeks ago that Cutler said he was getting more and more reps in practice?

Could Shanny be playing cat and mouse with the chiefs? Could he play this week? Notice how the story didn't break till the chiefs had probably walked off the practice field?

[Clockwork Orange]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[Rascal]

Or Scheffter go the leak but Shanny convinced him it was for Seattle's game instead of this game?

[Hotrod]

Someone get O4L off the window ledge quick.

[smalltowngrll]

I'll believe it when the broncos organization actually verifies this. I believe our team takes things ONE game at a time. Why would Shanny release info on another game while preparing for a sooner one. Doesn't make sense. Not to mention all the info we have is only supported by the numerous rumors floating around on the internet...and the many articles speculating it.

[ludo21]

I'll believe it when I see it.


Yep.

I just dont understand the leak 2 weeks early.

[DomCasual]

This makes no sense. What's the purpose of announcing a qb switch NEXT week?! What's that supposed to do, say the season is over? I just don't follow the logic. http://scosoft.com/s/g/2067cbb.gif

I'll say what I said in the other thread - I actually really like the idea. If I was Shanahan, I would announce it early. It would 1) give Cutler almost two weeks to prepare; and 2) take a lot of pressure off Plummer for Thursday. After the Chargers game, Plummer seemed like a broken man. I honestly felt bad for the guy. I think getting out of Denver at this point is the best thing for Plummer the person. He's been playing with the weight of the world on his shoulders all season, and he's not the kind of person that seems to handle that well. I would bet that seeing light at the end of the tunnel - even if it isn't the light for which he had hoped - might feel pretty good.

Plummer is a good QB when he can go out and just throw it around. It's why he did so well with comebacks in Arizona, I think. There is nothing to lose when you're down by a bunch. If you bring them back, you're a hero. If you lose - well, what do you expect when you're down by so much? This year, it's seemed like you could see the noose getting tighter on Plummer's neck from game to game. Having closure might just loosen it and allow him to go out and chuck it around tomorrow night.

I hope so, anyway.

[Elway 4 Life]

Hopefully we see him tomorrow. I cant imagine how explosive this offense will be with a QB that can actually hit an open receiver more than 4 times a game.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Ditto.

[Taco John]

Just to throw some gasoline on the fire....

Wasn't it a couple of weeks ago that Cutler said he was getting more and more reps in practice?

Could Shanny be playing cat and mouse with the chiefs? Could he play this week? Notice how the story didn't break till the chiefs had probably walked off the practice field?



QUIT TOYING WITH MY HEARTSTRINGS!

[orangeatheist]

There Is A God!

No, there isn't.















Sorry. Just couldn't help myself. ;D

[55CrushEm]

It's going across the bottom on NFLN right now.

However, it says Cutler will "most likely" start against Seattle, not definitely start.

I'll kill someone if you guys are pulling my leg......if this is true, I think I'm gonna go rub one out....IT'S ABOUT FRIGGIN TIME !!

[broncosteven]

This is turning into a Joke of a season. Shanny did not prep himself or his team to start Jay this year. Now his staff is leaking rumors. Only good thing is that we will get to see if Jay is for real sooner than later.

[Kaylore]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Yeah. Let's wait and see. Maybe Jake will have another good game knowing he has to win.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

If this is true, Shanahan must be writing off the KC game. I don't believe that for a second...

Agree. He could have that thought in mind, but there is no way he would let it out until shortly ( a couple of days) before the game.

[brother love]

He can't play worse than Jake has lately?
Its like having Plummer in there except he can throw deep and we can now run the whole play book!:wiggle:

[Hotrod]

The more I think about it Rascal maybe on to something. Hell that the only way this makes sense IMO

Maybe it leaked that Jay was getting more reps and Shanny covered the fact hes starting tomarrow by throwing out the seahag junk. It would also serve the purpose of not making Jay the center of attention all this week.

[Kaylore]

This is turning into a Joke of a season. Shanny did not prep himself or his team to start Jay this year. Now his staff is leaking rumors. Only good thing is that we will get to see if Jay is for real sooner than later.

Good or bad, we still won't know for sure until '08. We will get to see how much he needs to develop, though. Also he will get more reps. Oddly enough, the practice squad QB gets more reps than the second string QB because the PS quarterback runs the scout team and preps the defense every week. If Jay starts he'll have the opportunity of going through practices as the starter and getting reps with our receivers. Also, it will allow him to practice taking the exchange from Nalen - more important than you think.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

They're replaying the Schefter interview on NFLN now.

-more and more signs are pointing to Cutler starting against Seattle
-chance Jake could still save his job if he's exceptional tomorrow
-Shanny not afraid to bench his starters (Ex: the RBs, Foster, and Scheffler)
-JP has been very, very subpar
-Cooper is questionable b/c of a kidney punch from Olshansky on Sunday night
-Broncos loved both Cutler and Leinart before the draft, hoped one would be there at #15. Tried to trade up to #8 and #9 before the Rams bit.
-Lots of people around the league think JC will be the best QB of the 3 1st round QBs this year

[alkemical]

So... that makes it a real rumor then?

more or less - it was present to me by a chorf fan - so you know - i had to at least come to gossip central to see if it had legs.

[DomCasual]

This is turning into a Joke of a season. Shanny did not prep himself or his team to start Jay this year. Now his staff is leaking rumors. Only good thing is that we will get to see if Jay is for real sooner than later.

I would agree, if I had any hope of Plummer turning it around. He's dead in the water, though. The interview he did in the locker room after the Charger's game was just sad. Check out his voice between that interview, and the one a few minutes later when he's in studio with Dave Logan. In just that few minutes, he regained a lot of his composure. In the locker room interview, his voice was cracking - he just sounded like a guy with the weight of the world on him. That's only going to get worse as the playoffs draw closer.

Drafting Cutler killed Plummer this year. I wouldn't change it, because I'm glad we have Cutler long-term. But there's no fixing it - it's all or nothing, at this point.

[Hotrod]

They're replaying the Schefter interview on NFLN now.

-more and more signs are pointing to Cutler starting against Seattle
-chance he could still save his job if he's exceptional
-Shanny not afraid to bench his starters (Ex: the RBs, Foster, and Scheffler)
-JP has been very, very subpar
-Cooper is questionable b/c of a kidney punch from Olshansky on Sunday night
-Broncos loved both Cutler and Leinart before the draft, hoped one would be there at #15. Tried to trade up to #8 and #9 before the Rams bit.
-Lots of people around the league think JC will be the best QB of the 3 1st round QBs this year

I knew Igor was an asshat. Nails should have drilled that cheap no good chugger.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

They're replaying the Schefter interview on NFLN now.

-more and more signs are pointing to Cutler starting against Seattle
-chance he could still save his job if he's exceptional
-Shanny not afraid to bench his starters (Ex: the RBs, Foster, and Scheffler)
-JP has been very, very subpar
-Cooper is questionable b/c of a kidney punch from Olshansky on Sunday night
-Broncos loved both Cutler and Leinart before the draft, hoped one would be there at #15. Tried to trade up to #8 and #9 before the Rams bit.
-Lots of people around the league think JC will be the best QB of the 3 1st round QBs this year

Schefter is on the cutting edge once again :o

[Taco John]

They're replaying the Schefter interview on NFLN now.

-more and more signs are pointing to Cutler starting against Seattle
-chance Jake could still save his job if he's exceptional tomorrow
-Shanny not afraid to bench his starters (Ex: the RBs, Foster, and Scheffler)
-JP has been very, very subpar
-Cooper is questionable b/c of a kidney punch from Olshansky on Sunday night
-Broncos loved both Cutler and Leinart before the draft, hoped one would be there at #15. Tried to trade up to #8 and #9 before the Rams bit.
-Lots of people around the league think JC will be the best QB of the 3 1st round QBs this year



:approve:

[Arkansas Bronco]

They're replaying the Schefter interview on NFLN now.

-more and more signs are pointing to Cutler starting against Seattle
-chance Jake could still save his job if he's exceptional tomorrow
-Shanny not afraid to bench his starters (Ex: the RBs, Foster, and Scheffler)
-JP has been very, very subpar
-Cooper is questionable b/c of a kidney punch from Olshansky on Sunday night
-Broncos loved both Cutler and Leinart before the draft, hoped one would be there at #15. Tried to trade up to #8 and #9 before the Rams bit.
-Lots of people around the league think JC will be the best QB of the 3 1st round QBs this year
I bet this is the reason Nail's went after him.

[Play2win]

Well with the roster shake ups a few weeks ago, you can see Shanny is easing into this. Announcing it early allows Shanny to pull JAKE at halftime if he is costing us the game. Shanny can put JAY in there in the second half, and JAY will still start his 1st NFL game at HOME on SUNDAY NIGHT...

[smalltowngrll]

LOL....all this hype and nothing is even official!

[Clockwork Orange]

-Broncos loved both Cutler and Leinart before the draft, hoped one would be there at #15. Tried to trade up to #8 and #9 before the Rams bit.

Thank goodness that didn't happen. I still think Leinart would have been a bad fit for this offense.

[Taco John]

Thank goodness that didn't happen. I still think Leinart would have been a bad fit for this offense.


Yeah, but Shanny doesn't.

[Play2win]

I wouldn't be surpised at all if JAY starts the 3rd Quarter.

[Clockwork Orange]

Yeah, but Shanny doesn't.

Yeah, he once thought Brian Griese was a great fit for this offense, too.

[SteveTensi13]

If Jay start I dont think there will be a measurable drop off in performance anyways. Plummer is for all intents a 10 year rookie!

[Rock Chalk]

Yeah, he once thought Brian Griese was a great fit for this offense, too.

Careful, you are talking about Isaac's boyfriend.

[Kaylore]

They're replaying the Schefter interview on NFLN now.

-more and more signs are pointing to Cutler starting against Seattle
-chance Jake could still save his job if he's exceptional tomorrow
-Shanny not afraid to bench his starters (Ex: the RBs, Foster, and Scheffler)
-JP has been very, very subpar
-Cooper is questionable b/c of a kidney punch from Olshansky on Sunday night
-Broncos loved both Cutler and Leinart before the draft, hoped one would be there at #15. Tried to trade up to #8 and #9 before the Rams bit.
-Lots of people around the league think JC will be the best QB of the 3 1st round QBs this year
Olshansky is a total douche bag. Kind of makes you wonder if Nalen wasn't jsut reacting to Olshansky sucker punching guys in the pile. I hope Carlisle gets better soon, but maybe we get to see Kuper!

Also, Jim Mora and Sterling both reported a few weeks ago that Jay Cutler wasn't just their highest rated QB, he was the number one player on their draft board. That says something.

Man if we get to see Kuper and Jay play in the next few weeks I'll crap my pants! i don't want to get started.

[Taco John]

Yeah, he once thought Brian Griese was a great fit for this offense, too.



Either way, I'm glad it turned out like it did. But I'd have (obviously) been happy with Leinart.

[Clockwork Orange]

Also, Jim Mora and Sterling both reported a few weeks ago that Jay Cutler wasn't just their highest rated QB, he was the number one player on their draft board. That says something.

The thing that was really interesting back around the draft was that while most analysts were debating Leinart/Young as the top QB, the former NFL QB's turned TV analysts (Jaworski, Young, Simms) all rated Cutler as the best QB in the draft. The theme was pretty much the same, they all fell in love with him after watching his game films from Vandy.

[Clockwork Orange]

Either way, I'm glad it turned out like it did. But I'd have (obviously) been happy with Leinart.

I don't have anything against Leinart, I just believe that any QB who plays here needs to be mobile due to the average pass blocking of the O-line.

Vince Young was my top choice of the QB's back at the draft. I'm thrilled with what I've seen out of Cutler, but I'd still be happy to have Young if it'd turned out that way.

[bronco_diesel]

I'll crap my pants! i don't want to get started.


careful now. nobody wants to see that!

[theAPAOps5]

Man omane is running slow and now I see why. Rumors are rumors they could be gone like a fart in the wind any moment. But Schefter reporting makes it a little more intriguing.

[12th man]

If this story is true, why not put Cutler in right now? I understand it's a short week and all, but now that the story is out there, and if it's true, how do you think this affects Jakes performance this week? Would he play even worse now that he knows it aint his job anymore knowing it's Cutlers next week? I would not be suprised at all to see cutler play tomorrow.

[Hotrod]

If this story is true, why not put Cutler in right now? I understand it's a short week and all, but now that the story is out there, and if it's true, how do you think this affects Jakes performance this week? Would he play even worse now that he knows it aint his job anymore knowing it's Cutlers next week? I would not be suprised at all to see cutler play tomorrow.

Its the only thing that makes any sense at all. Its actually quite beautiful IMO

He gets ZERO media attention before his first start.

Now the chefs have thier game plan to force Plummer to stay in the pocket and throw down field.......it plays more into Jays hands.

[TheDave]

All right since it looks like it is finally going to happen, can we all agree to give Jay Cutler 2 full seasons before anyone starts calling him a bust. We all know that he is going to have moments of greatness followed closly by moments of absolute idiocy... Lets give the kid a chance before we start begging to draft a replacement.


How 'bout it, Mane Law.... Mane Law :)

[Hotrod]

All right since it looks like it is finally going to happen, can we all agree to give Jay Cutler 2 full seasons before anyone starts calling him a bust. We all know that he is going to have moments of greatness followed closly by moments of absolute idiocy... Lets give the kid a chance before we start begging to draft a replacement.


How 'bout it, Mane Law.... Mane Law :)

Mane law it is :thumbs:

[Play2win]

The only time anyone is going to be calling Jay Cutler a bust is when they are visiting the Pro Football HALL OF FAME.

[Circle Orange]

Wait. I'VE FIGURED IT OUT!

It's a mad plan, one that could backfire. But I got it. Now Shanny knows Jake responds poorly to pressure, despite the laid back stuff (I had a 'laid back' supervisor who was on antidepressants!). Now, say Jake cracks against the Chiefs. Bingo! Insert rookie here. Mike's on with a "we were looking to change directions and get a spark". He looks like a hero with an ingenious move. Meanwhile, Jake takes all the heat and the team is confused by the direction of the season. And Jay? He's just happy to play.


Ignore spin, http://scosoft.com/s/j/71f3c77a.gif this is what's going to happen.

[TheDave]

Mane law it is :thumbs:

Great now we need to get the old guy to write it in the book

[Arkansas Bronco]

All right since it looks like it is finally going to happen, can we all agree to give Jay Cutler 2 full seasons before anyone starts calling him a bust. We all know that he is going to have moments of greatness followed closly by moments of absolute idiocy... Lets give the kid a chance before we start begging to draft a replacement.


How 'bout it, Mane Law.... Mane Law :)

I 3rd this Mane Law.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Great now we need to get the old guy to write it in the book

That would be Old Dude. Now where is he?

[Circle Orange]

All right since it looks like it is finally going to happen, can we all agree to give Jay Cutler 2 full seasons before anyone starts calling him a bust. We all know that he is going to have moments of greatness followed closly by moments of absolute idiocy... Lets give the kid a chance before we start begging to draft a replacement.


How 'bout it, Mane Law.... Mane Law :)

Better make that "Mob" Law. :pimp: Clip and save this thread. I think you're gonna need it later.

[DeusExManning]

All right since it looks like it is finally going to happen, can we all agree to give Jay Cutler 2 full seasons before anyone starts calling him a bust. We all know that he is going to have moments of greatness followed closly by moments of absolute idiocy... Lets give the kid a chance before we start begging to draft a replacement.


How 'bout it, Mane Law.... Mane Law :)

I am willing to amend Mane Law and allow for 3 seasons.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Don't play him! He's a BUST!! A BUST I TELL YAA!!!

[BlaK-Argentina]

Now seriously... we should expect to see him tomorrow if we're down by more than 14 at halftime. If Jake isn't getting it done I don't think Shanahan will let him lose the game. The "we needed a spark" thingy makes perfect sense.

[TheDave]

Better make that "Mob" Law. :pimp: Clip and save this thread. I think you're gonna need it later.

It's got it's own thread now.... I think Taco may want to sticky this one

[alkemical]

Mane Law!

[55CrushEm]

I still have no doubt in my mind that when Cutler throws his 1st career INT, that many of the Plummer nut-swingers will say, "SEE !! I told you a rookie QB couldn't play well!"

[sisterhellfyre]

I would bet that seeing light at the end of the tunnel - even if it isn't the light for which he had hoped - might feel pretty good.

The light at the end of the tunnel is The Turk with a flashlight.

Regards,
m.

[theAPAOps5]

He'll throw interceptions probably more than we will want. I also think that for every INT those passes that are over thrown by Jake or underthrown or not made will be made more frequently.

Still I am not trying to get excited by this as its speculation.

[-Slap-]

Am I the only one that cringes on every pass attempt hoping it is not an INT?

For me its like the nightmare where you feel like you're falling.

[WABronco]

I still have no doubt in my mind that when Cutler throws his 1st career INT, that many of the Plummer nut-swingers will say, "SEE !! I told you a rookie QB couldn't play well!"

...that or "SEE HE'S NOT ELWAY LIKE YOU WANT HIM TO BE WHAT'S UP NOW?"

That's a load of bull, as well.

[WABronco]

Seattle's secondary is weak, and their D as a whole is having serious trouble getting up for road games. We should be able to run on them, fairly easily. If we get in long passing situations he could have trouble facing that pass rush though...they are an attacking defense when you let them be.

Good place to start though, IMO.

[RMT]

Elway threw 5 INTs in his 1st NFL start and was yanked in the 2nd half.

[WABronco]

Elway threw 5 INTs in his 1st NFL start and was yanked in the 2nd half.

...well then my quote is correct, isn't it? HA!

[Wes Mantooth]

I predict he will pull Plummer if he plays bad before it gets bad.

[-Slap-]

Elway threw 5 INTs in his 1st NFL start and was yanked in the 2nd half.

You yanked this whole post right out of your patoot.

Elway made his first NFL start on opening day in 1983 against the Steelers in Pittsburgh. He was 1 for 8 for 14 yards passing. He was intercepted once and sacked four times. He was replaced by Steve DeBerg and the Broncos went on to win the game.

John said he took one look at toothless Jack Lambert, snarling and drooling all over himself across the line of scrimmage, and he was ready to give back the signing bonus and become an accountant.

[Cito Pelon]

Well, I don't know about rumors and such, but anytime Shanny is ready to put Jay in is fine with me. Jake's game is going nowhere. And the chances of it going somewhere positive I don't think are real good. Hell, seems like he's on the verge of a mental breakdown.

[Jetmeck]

I wish we kept with the run more. We were killing them on the run and it seemed Shanny started adding a lot more passing on 1st and 2nd downs. Also thought a few of the pitches we got burnt on was unnecessary. Overall I wasn't too upset with it if Plummer would have executed better we wouldn't be thinking much about it.


Exactly

[oubronco]

cutler will have a learning curve but he can make all the throws with some heat on them and can throw the deep ball accurately

[TheDave]

Any chance this is a ploy to keep the cheifs in the dark and he starts tomorrow ???

[Play2win]

Any chance this is a ploy to keep the cheifs in the dark and he starts tomorrow ???

I could care less about the qweefs. What I care about is for our stud to get behind center to forward this organization and team towards ongoing success.

The qweefs will do what they always do, barely miss the playoffs...

[fontaine]

But I want to win. I still view a playoff berth and an outside shot at the division as makable. We have two TOUGH games remaining -- division road games. If good Jake shows up for those two games, we should be in those games. I think its more likely that this team could run the table with Jake then that Cutler comes in and pulls a Big Ben. No disrespect to Cutler. But hey Leinhart was said to be the most NFL ready QB in the draft and look at his situation now.

F**k Matt Leinhart. The Arizona cardinals are exactly who we thought they were. A dysfunctional team with no leadership, the worst OL, no running game and average Defense.

The minute Jay steps on the field, he'll be in the best situation a rookie QB could ask for. Two solid WRs, a great OL/Running Game, and a top 5 D.

[fontaine]

Yeah, keep thinking that. If the defense doesnt stop LJ we will lose regardless if Jake plays well or not.

They couldnt stop LT and they really didnt stop LJ in the first game either.

The whole team needs to play well in the toughest stadium in America in prime time for us to win.

Yeah the whole team needs to play well. But guess what player in the team hasn't been playing well all season long?

That's why I said Jake.

[fontaine]

Either way, I'm glad it turned out like it did. But I'd have (obviously) been happy with Leinart.

I'm blaming you for all of this Taco!

You said getting a real QB prospect would fire up and get the best out of Jake, and you constantly quoted the Drew Brees/Rivers situation!

It's your fault Jake is struggling!

:giggle: :rofl:

[BroncoBuff]

I still have no doubt in my mind that when Cutler throws his 1st career INT, that many of the Plummer nut-swingers will say, "SEE !! I told you a rookie QB couldn't play well!"

Yeah, there's a good chunk of myopia concerning Cutler around here.

Everyone remembers, and waxes rhapsodically about that amazing bomb to Kircus in Arizona during pre-season. BUt very few remember one or two possesions later, it was the dreaded INT-RET-TD.