Orange Mane / SteveTensi13 / Associated Press

[Sideburn]

Not sure if this has been discussed yet, if not, have at it. Sorry, there wasn't a link in the original post and I don't care enough to go searching. Just thought some here would find this interesting.
http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/52498.html

[scorpio]

http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/52498.html

Long article, don't want to post the whole thing. I bet Beerslug turned him in. :D

[ClevelandBronco]

From the article:

"The site would not allow a reporter to send SteveTensi13 an e-mail message through the site, and the site's webmaster did not return an e-mail seeking a comment and SteveTensi13's e-mail address. Several phone calls made in an attempt to determine SteveTensi13's identity were unsuccessful."

Taco, you are now officially a hero as far as I'm concerned.

[alkemical]

Dude, this has got legs:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Steve+Tensi13&hl=en&lr=&filter=0


Also - makes me a bit nervous on how not anon the internet is, sort of confirms my paranioa.....

[epicSocialism4tw]

Who contacted the paper? LABF?

"The New Mexican learned of the posts after an anonymous e-mailer, concerned in particular about the comment about planting drugs in a Democrat's car, suggested a reporter investigate the person's identity"

[alkemical]

No-one will cop to it - and for better or worse - there's a merit to report abuse of power.

[Rohirrim]

Oh crap, Slug. Now you've gone and done it. ;D

[ClevelandBronco]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/TONMON/cap320.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

No-one will cop to it - and for better or worse - there's a merit to report abuse of power.


Yeah, Im not pointing fingers. This guy is pretty far out there, and has some obvious control issues. He is potentially dangerous by what we've all seen here.

[Spider]

whoa , this has gotten out of hand ........it is obvious who did it to anyone that can read , so it is no wonder angry LLama went after LABF ..........
I dont think Steve meant what he posted , he was just trying ot get a rise out of people ,well looks like he did what he wanted .........

[Rohirrim]

Now that I think about it, right around the time this started, LABF disappeared - AND HASN'T BEEN SEEN SINCE! (cue the CSI music) ;D

[alkemical]

Yeah, Im not pointing fingers. This guy is pretty far out there, and has some obvious control issues. He is potentially dangerous by what we've all seen here.

Yes and No. I believe that he's yanking chains to be honest. However, this proves that there are reprocussions to what you do.

[ClevelandBronco]

whoa , this has gotten out of hand ........it is obvious who did it to anyone that can read , so it is no wonder angry LLama went after LABF ..........
I dont think Steve meant what he posted , he was just trying ot get a rise out of people ,well looks like he did what he wanted .........

I agree with almost all of the above. (I don't know anything about Yak and LAFF.)

[Spider]

LOL Steve didnt like Dems before this , I bet he loves the hell out of em now .......

[epicSocialism4tw]

I am the man in black. Meet me in the alley, eagle, on the sound of the crow.


KAAAAAAAAA!! KAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!

[Spider]

I am the man in black. Meet me in the alley, eagle, on the sound of the crow.


KAAAAAAAAA!! KAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!

wasnt that from scooby doo ;D ?

[BroncoInferno]

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

This can't be for real. It's just too good.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yes and No. I believe that he's yanking chains to be honest. However, this proves that there are reprocussions to what you do.

I believe that Tensi is a big talker. That doesnt mean that he abuses his power all day long. His behavior here shows alot of character issues that would scare me about him in a position of authority though.

[epicSocialism4tw]

wasnt that from scooby doo ;D ?

eagle? The time is now.

[alkemical]

I believe that Tensi is a big talker. That doesnt mean that he abuses his power all day long. His behavior here shows alot of character issues that would scare me about him in a position of authority though.



That's where i saw the root cause of the problem being. yeah it's done in jest - but - where or when does he go "kramer" on someone?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Alright Tensi, we know that you're on the site today. What's the real story here, dude?

[TheDave]

http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/52498.html



Someone who claims to be a state police officer in Española has become the target of an investigation after leaving disturbing messages on a Web site for Denver Broncos fans called The Orange Mane.

Peter Olson, spokesman for the state Department of Public Safety, said department officials do not believe the person is a state police officer, but if he is, "he won't be a police officer for long."

The person who has made the comments goes by the online identity of SteveTensi13. Steve Tensi is a former Broncos quarterback who wore jersey No. 13 and last played in 1970.

"I'll tell you one thing," SteveTensi13 wrote Nov. 8, the day after Election Day. "When I go back to work, the first vehicle I see with a pro-democrat bumper sticker will get a nice visit from the friendly policeman and that friendly policeman just might find some incriminating drugs in said vehicle. I'm not saying, I'm just saying."

Some of the attributes given on the Web site match a particular officer, Olson said, but investigators do not believe that officer would make those comments.

Olson said he did not know whether the officer who matches some of the attributes knows of the investigation, which he expects to be completed today.

When Republicans lost many gubernatorial and congressional seats throughout the nation, SteveTensi13 noted frequently that he supports Republicans.

"Thank God I'm a cop just in case Martial law is called for!" SteveTensi13 wrote in another comment. "It's good to have power over the little people!" Other comments made derogatory statements about illegal Mexican nationals and Hispanics.

SteveTensi13 claims to be a 42-year-old state police officer in Española who is Hispanic, served in the U.S. Air Force and has been a police officer for 18 years, according to posts. His profile says he has posted nearly 1,800 comments on the site since 2003, but only comments dating back to September are available.

In his profile, SteveTensi13 describes himself as a "conservative, born again Christian, gun toting, homophobic, meat eating, 4 X 4 driving all American." He says he is located in Española, "the armpit of the southwest."

The person also stated that he got married in late September, had two tort claims filed against him in late August, isn't very tall, played high-school football, wears glasses and contacts and was stationed in North Dakota while in the Air Force in 1984.

The New Mexican informed state police of the comments Thursday, and SteveTensi13 continued to post comments on the Web site through Monday afternoon, including posts in which he talks about state police work and Tasers.

The site would not allow a reporter to send SteveTensi13 an e-mail message through the site, and the site's webmaster did not return an e-mail seeking a comment and SteveTensi13's e-mail address. Several phone calls made in an attempt to determine SteveTensi13's identity were unsuccessful.

The New Mexican learned of the posts after an anonymous e-mailer, concerned in particular about the comment about planting drugs in a Democrat's car, suggested a reporter investigate the person's identity.

Olson said if the person making the comments is not a police officer, or is a police officer trying to get another officer in trouble, the decision about whether to prosecute that person for impersonating a police officer would be up to the District Attorney's Office.

The department "certainly" has disciplinary recourse, Olson said, and that includes termination.

The site, at www.orangemane.com, contains a variety of forums where Broncos fans can post comments. It bills itself as the "online tailgate party that never ends." Most of the forums are about the Broncos and football, but there is also a "war, religion and politics thread," and that is where SteveTensi13 makes many of the troubling statements.

In regard to police work, SteveTensi13 wrote that he once arrested a man for shooting at a family of Mexican nationals, has made more than 200 drunken-driving arrests, retrieved thousands of dollars of stolen property and investigated several child molestation cases.

SteveTensi13 wrote Friday that in the two years that he has had a Taser, he has used the prongs that shoot out from the gun twice. "I use the 'dry stun' method more often," he continued. "Which means you take off the cartridge and ram the Taser into someone's gut and pull the trigger."

Steve Tuttle, vice president of communications for Taser International, said SteveTensi13 is correct that a Taser can be used with or without the prongs, but when it is used without the prongs, it is properly called the "drive stun" method. People frequently mispronounce the method and call it the "dry stun" method, he said.

To use the drive stun method, it is necessary to push the gun firmly into a person's skin and pull the trigger, Tuttle said.

SteveTensi13 also uses 10 codes, the codes emergency personnel use when speaking on radios. For example, at one point SteveTensi13 says he is leaving a forum for the night by saying he is going "10-7," the 10 code police use when they go out of service.

In another instance, SteveTensi13 says he would deal with a combative person by using a Taser, cuffing him or her up and being "10-98," the 10 code for having a call completed and being available for another.

On Friday, SteveTensi13 told another person on the site that he should ride with a police officer to see what police work is like. "Police humor can be kinda harsh and gallow and sometimes offensive to civilians," SteveTensi13 wrote. "Unless you're there you wouldn't understand. We joke about suicides, fatal car crashes, shootings, etc., helps to take the edge off."

Contact Wendy Brown at 986-3072 or wbrown@sfnewmexican.com.

WEB POSTING EXCERPTS

These messages were posted by SteveTensi13 on The Orange Mane Web site:

“I like to call it ‘ride the lightning!’ 50,000 volts of persuasion. Do as I say or suffer the consequences,” Steve- Tensi13 wrote about Taser stun guns Nov. 16.

“You wanna know what’s sad? I’m Hispanic and even I don’t want Hispanics running this country. Just look at Mexico, central and South America, Spain. All countries ruled by Hispanics and they are all a completemess!! Even here in New Mexico, places that are predominantly Hispanic controlled are corrupt, dirty and behind the times. Places like Los Alamos (white republican) are clean, low crime rate and function smoothly. I hate to say it, but we Hispanics like stabbing each other in the back if we see one of our own being successful,” read a Sept. 22 SteveTensi13 post.

“I do not dis-like Mexicans per se. I dislike ILLEGAL Mexicans. I also dislike illegal Canadians, Hondurans, Cubans, Nicaraguans and Martians. However, as it stands llegal Mexicans outnumber the other named groups 100 to 1, ergo my wrath!” read a Sept. 22 SteveTensi13 post.

“… I seriously doubt you have EVER hung around an area saturated with illegals. The crime rate jumps 10 fold, property value drops through the floor. If you ever decide to leave your ivory tower take a trip to your local WALMART (I know in your world they are a bigger threat to America than Al Quaida) or try ordering at Furrs cafeteria or Taco Bell, good luck if you don’t speak Spanish. I refuse to point to what I want to eat, get me the … manager and he can fetchmy order!” the Sept. 22 post continues.

“I stopped a young Mexican national this morning, speeding 51/35 mph zone. I asked or his license, insurance and registration. His reply? “No licensia” and he threwhis hands up and smiled a **** eating grin like “What are you going to do about it?” I romptly removed him from his car and towed it away and told Pedro to start walking. Made my day!” read an unconfirmed Aug. 30 SteveTensi13 post sent to The New Mexican by e-mail. Comments made before Sept. 8 are not available on the site.

[TheDave]

Guess this is a lesson to everyone to whatch what they say.... Damn

[alkemical]

"they" are watching.......

[Iowanian]

I think its pretty sad when something posted on a football message board is worthy of AP news distribution.

[The Lone Bolt]

All I have to say is Yikes! zowie! :o

[Spider]

I think its pretty sad when something posted on a football message board is worthy of AP news distribution.

finaly we agree ..........but Steve did say some things that if he were a cop doing this , could ruin someones life , seriously .........

[Blueflame]

Alright Tensi, we know that you're on the site today. What's the real story here, dude?

Um... my guess is that he probably shouldn't... and/or isn't allowed to... comment if there's an ongoing investigation.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Um... my guess is that he probably shouldn't... and/or isn't allowed to... comment if there's an ongoing investigation.

Um...you're probably right.

[Spider]

do you realy think there is an investigation ?
I think all that is needed is Steve chief to call steve to the carpet and say , please tell me you are not this stupid .............

[alkemical]

lol, if steve opened his mouth he'd remove all doubt.

[Spider]

lol, if steve opened his mouth he'd remove all doubt.

LOL what would be even funnier is if his Chief is a democrat

[alkemical]

hahahaha!

[BroncoBuff]

Damn, this is really wild.

I never thought he was particularly serious about all that stuff, I just figured he was blowing off steam. Does enybody think he reallyu meant to plant drugs? Naaah.

[Taco John]

Remember folks: What ye reap, so shall ye sow.

[smalltowngrll]

I knew that WRP forum was bad news....juuuust baaaaad!!! ;)

[Hotrod]

Were famous Ha!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Some of the attributes given on the Web site match a particular officer, Olson said, but investigators do not believe that officer would make those comments.

Well, it appears Tensi will be held accountable for his words, threats, bigotry, etc... if he is even a NM police officer. That's a big if IMO, I can't imagine a state trooper ever spouting the crap that he has.

[baja]

NORMALLY I WOULD SAY THIS SUCKS, but Steve by claiming to be an officer of the law, a state trooper no less, he opened himself up to this investagation and it is good that the New Mexican followed up on this story. If it turns out that Steve is a cop than he needs to be relieved of duty until an investagation is conducted to see if he does the things he claimed to do in his posts here on the Mane.

[Rohirrim]

I just want to tell everybody that my former comments were a complete joke, and nothing but a joke, so help me God. I swear. I actually think Cheney is the best VP America ever had, and I think George Bush is a great president. I'm behind him 100%. That's all I have to say.

[Spider]

I just want to tell everybody that my former comments were a complete joke, and nothing but a joke, so help me God. I swear. I actually think Cheney is the best VP America ever had, and I think George Bush is a great president. I'm behind him 100%. That's all I have to say.

LOL I wouldnt worry to much about it , some guy back in 2000 Drove his pick up into our goverment building here when iot was changed to the dick cheney building ......... he is now off bread and water and is on a steady diet of rat , and rice ;D

[baja]

I just want to tell everybody that my former comments were a complete joke, and nothing but a joke, so help me God. I swear. I actually think Cheney is the best VP America ever had, and I think George Bush is a great president. I'm behind him 100%. That's all I have to say.
Remember Ro you were warned, "Either you are with us or you are against us".

[TheDave]

Well Steve was posting here today...


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1367744&postcount=14

[spdirty]

damn Steve!

[Pendejo]

Who ratted on him?

[loborugger]

Um... my guess is that he probably shouldn't... and/or isn't allowed to... comment if there's an ongoing investigation.


BINGO!

[loborugger]

Honestly, I hope that Steve was talking outta his ass. Cuz this stuff stands to impact his career otherwise. And as much as I dislike some of the stuff on here, I wouldnt want to see anyone loose their job for the crap they say on here as most folks I think talk outta their ass on the internet anyways. What a shame.

[loborugger]

Remember folks: What ye reap, so shall ye sow.


I hope that the spirit of that post was not only intended for Steve "I cant get my size 12s outta my mouth" Tensi, but whoever the snitch is. Of course, the snitch doesnt even have to be one of us, as this forum is open to any visitor.

[spdirty]

If he was completely honest about his background, (Im pretty sure he is)and he was just screwin around when he made those comments (which Im pretty sure he was), damn, I sure as hell hope they don't find him out, which would be pretty damn hard to not be able to do, given all the personal info he let out.

Just a bad bad deal all around.

[ClevelandBronco]

So what's up Slug? It was your idea.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1348375&postcount=67

Did you do the hit on Tensi?

[Taco John]

I'm having a hard time believing that Slug would be that petty. Surely he wouldn't mess with a man's livelihood over some political smack on a football message board.

Tell us you didn't do this Slug.

[BroncoBuff]

do you realy think there is an investigation ?
I think all that is needed is Steve chief to call steve to the carpet and say , please tell me you are not this stupid .............

Yeah, it does seem stupid now.

Maybe I'm naive, but I read every one of those posts, and I thought he was just Bull-S'ing. I never thought he meant any of it literally, and I'll bet that they don't find any such cases.

[baja]

I hope that the spirit of that post was not only intended for Steve "I cant get my size 12s outta my mouth" Tensi, but whoever the snitch is. Of course, the snitch doesnt even have to be one of us, as this forum is open to any visitor.

When someone that claims to be an officer of the law and claims to do the things that Steve owned than the person that is responsible enough to ask someone to look into the situation is not a "snitch" but a responsible and good citizen. We don't need cops like steve portrayed himself to be. If he is just running his mouth than he will not have a case against him but if his claims are true than he will be removed from his position of authority and I applaud the person that was concerned enough to to ask someone to look into this. Like I said before I dislike snitches but this case does not qualify.

[baja]

I'm having a hard time believing that Slug would be that petty. Surely he wouldn't mess with a man's livelihood over some political smack on a football message board.

Tell us you didn't do this Slug.

TJ when a guy claims to be a cop and also claims that he plants drugs on people who's political opinions he disagrees with than that should be looked into. Did you ever read Steve? He was claiming he routinely used his position of authority to do all sorts of outrageous things. The way he portrayed himself he was clearly a bad cop and that is not a petty thing. The whole picture that steve portrayed is quite disconcerting and if Slug sent that email than I applaud him and I'm a guy that scores 10 out of 10 on a Libertarian political test. Not saying steve is guilty of what he claimed but it sure needs to be checked out. If he does do those things how would you like to be one of his victims?

[BroncoBuff]

I agree, baja .... if it's true. If it's even partially true, he should never wear a badge again, even at the Galleria Mall.


But if they find no such cases, then he was simply blowing off steam. Imo, he was never serious, just conver-sating and expressing his anger and frustration.

And you're right - the term "snitch" NEVER APPLIES to law enforcement, mostly because when you get right down to it - they are 'snitches' for a living, literally.

[baja]

Who ratted on him?

Steve claimed to use his position of authority to screw around with people for his own agenda and pleasure. Not good and should have been reported.

Let's say someone posts that he likes to have sex with 13 year olds and grabs one off the street from time to time would you complain if he were snitched on. That is different by degree of outrage only both cases are serious crimes.

[baja]

I'm having a hard time believing that Slug would be that petty. Surely he wouldn't mess with a man's livelihood over some political smack on a football message board.

Tell us you didn't do this Slug.

I wish I had thought to do it and I hate Big Brother shiit with a passion.

[BroncoBuff]

The weird part in all this is that LABF is not around to weigh in on SteveCoulter13.


I wonder what the 2nd greatest Bronco QB ever thinks of this? I'm talking about Las Cruces, New Mexico resident Charley Johnson. He's a NMSU professor, which means he's automatically a "liberal New Mexico Democrat."

[baja]

Ya where is LABF???

[BroncoBuff]

Ya where is LABF???

Out of deference to LABF, this is his response:
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/897/labfhv1.png (http://imageshack.us)


Truth is, he had an illness/death in the family and hasn't posted since 11/11. Kinda ironic he spent every day around here hammering the GOP, and when his dream-election finally happened, he was called away on other things.

[Barry Ramey]

I'm having a hard time believing that Slug would be that petty. Surely he wouldn't mess with a man's livelihood over some political smack on a football message board.

Tell us you didn't do this Slug.

It wouldn't surprise me he would be this petty. He's the same guy that has challenged me to a physical fight on at least five different occassions and even wanting to give me his home address(probably would give a fake one anyway). He has shown me he takes this stuff too seriously and already made threats, so this wouldn't surprise me at all. Maybe his posts making threats should be sent to his local police dept. as well if this is the type of crap he wants to pull.

[baja]

It wouldn't surprise me he would be this petty. He's the same guy that has challenged me to a physical fight on at least five different occassions and even wanting to give me his home address(probably would give a fake one anyway). He has shown me he takes this stuff too seriously and already made threats, so this wouldn't surprise me at all. Maybe his posts making threats should be sent to his local police dept. as well if this is the type of crap he wants to pull.

Difference is he is not an officer of the law breaking the law.

Do you really not get the difference?

[Spider]

It wouldn't surprise me he would be this petty. He's the same guy that has challenged me to a physical fight on at least five different occassions and even wanting to give me his home address(probably would give a fake one anyway). He has shown me he takes this stuff too seriously and already made threats, so this wouldn't surprise me at all. Maybe his posts making threats should be sent to his local police dept. as well if this is the type of crap he wants to pull.
Here we go barrey Playing the victim again , so then email the local Police dept Beerslugs post .........No need to get on here with a whoa poor pityifull me attitude ........

[Spider]

Difference is he is not an officer of the law breaking the law.

Do you really not get the difference?

Barry loves to play the role of victim .. he has got some presicution complex or somthing , dont know for sure , but it is clear Barry doesnt hit on all cylinders

[baja]

There is a police officer that posts on south stands junkie's board called CAL. He posts tongue in cheek stuff that he does as a cop but it is clear he is not serious and his posts taken collectively one can tell he is a damn good cop. With Steve on the other hand it is hard to tell if he is joking or serious. Personally I think some of the time he is just trying to yank someone's chain but there is enough other instances where the posts he makes are quite troubling as to cause one to have real concerns that this guy might be a rouge cop and that should be checked out. If he is just blowing shiit out his butt than there will be no real harm just a ass chewing but if he really does these things he should be removed from his position of authority.

[baja]

It wouldn't surprise me he would be this petty. He's the same guy that has challenged me to a physical fight on at least five different occassions and even wanting to give me his home address(probably would give a fake one anyway). He has shown me he takes this stuff too seriously and already made threats, so this wouldn't surprise me at all. Maybe his posts making threats should be sent to his local police dept. as well if this is the type of crap he wants to pull.

There is nothing petty about turning in a bad cop. Not much of a history buff are you.

[Barry Ramey]

Difference is he is not an officer of the law breaking the law.

Do you really not get the difference?

And there's proof he's an officer breaking the law? Making personal threats to people over the net is against the law however and it wasn't long ago someone posted a story of two people fighting over things said over the net, so this stuff can get out of hand to say the least. Just found it ironic if he indeed did the reporting of this guy, which he threatened to do(hmm, I see a pattern with this guy) and he posts the kind of junk he does himself.

[Barry Ramey]

There is nothing petty about turning in a bad cop. Not much of a history buff are you.

Neither is turning in someone who makes personal threats over the net to the FBI.

[Spider]

There is nothing petty about turning in a bad cop. Not much of a history buff are you.

shoot low Sherriff , Barry is on a shetland

[baja]

And there's proof he's an officer breaking the law? Making personal threats to people over the net is against the law however and it wasn't long ago someone posted a story of two people fighting over things said over the net, so this stuff can get out of hand to say the least. Just found it ironic if he indeed did the reporting of this guy, which he threatened to do(hmm, I see a pattern with this guy) and he posts the kind of junk he does himself.

No there is no proof Steve is a cop but that does not mean the possibility, given the seriousness of the claims he has made, should be over looked.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So what's up Slug? It was your idea.
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1348375&postcount=67
Did you do the hit on Tensi?
I parodied Tensi's post for a couple reasons. One, to see if he would come back and comment on it one way or the other and two, to put that idea (contacting the press about his threats against citizens as a police officer) on the table.

It's pretty simple to me, if he isn't a state trooper (which I doubt he is), he has nothing to fear. If he is, the entire NM state police hiring and training policies need to be revaluated and Tensi, as a public sevant, needs to be held accountable and responsible for his actions and words, no matter his intent.

And there's proof he's an officer breaking the law? Making personal threats to people over the net is against the law however and it wasn't long ago someone posted a story of two people fighting over things said over the net, so this stuff can get out of hand to say the least. Just found it ironic if he indeed did the reporting of this guy, which he threatened to do(hmm, I see a pattern with this guy) and he posts the kind of junk he does himself.

And in chimes Mary Ramey, who herself, is in the same class as a Tensi.
Here's a "person", not unlike Tensi, who calls people cowards based on their political affiliation. When called to the mat, Mary Ramey exhibits the same trait she accuses 50% of this board of.

[baja]

Wonder why we have not heard from Steve?

If we don't hear from him pretty soon we may be left to wonder that he is a trooper and is under investigation. We may never know what happened but there is never a problem in looking into police corruption.

[spdirty]

wow baja. good posts. pretty muched changed my mind on the whole deal. I do think that Tensi is a cop and was just screwing around when he made those comments. If he actually followed through on all the stuff he said, damn. I just hope this all gets ironed out the right way and Tensi does not get screwed simply for making posts (which I thought of as jokes) on a message board (assuming he didn't do the things he claimed).

[defenseman]

It's obvious to me one needs to be careful about what one says on a discussion board on the internet. I'll not be posting in the politics section but at the very minumum from here forward. It's obvious to me, someone forwarded Tensi's comments for their own reasons. And, it's obvious the same could happen to anyone of us given an individual here does not agree with you and your take. Of course, that never happens. See you later, maybe..dman

[TheDave]

Wonder why we have not heard from Steve?

If we don't hear from him pretty soon we may be left to wonder that he is a trooper and is under investigation. We may never know what happened but there is never a problem in looking into police corruption.

He was posting on the main forum yesterday evening... not sure if that has any baring one way or another

[TheDave]

It's obvious to me one needs to be careful about what one says on a discussion board on the internet. I'll not be posting in the politics section but at the very minumum from here forward. It's obvious to me, someone forwarded Tensi's comments for their own reasons. And, it's obvious the same could happen to anyone of us given an individual here does not agree with you and your take. Of course, that never happens. See you later, maybe..dman

I don't disagree with you at all... Personally if someone did turn him in i think it's a chicken$hit thing to do. Steve is/was a moron but no one deserves to lose their livelihood based on something they say on a message board.

Something interesting (to me atleast)... If he really is a cop, and this leads to a suspension/termination, how long before this ends up as in the courts debating the extent of freedom of speech.

[baja]

I don't disagree with you at all... Personally if someone did turn him in i think it's a chicken$hit thing to do. Steve is/was a moron but no one deserves to lose their livelihood based on something they say on a message board.

Something interesting (to me atleast)... If he really is a cop, and this leads to a suspension/termination, how long before this ends up as in the courts debating the extent of freedom of speech.

What if someone posts how much he likes to have sex with very young girls and that they really love him because he is a tender lover. And goes on tho claim how many dozens of these girls he has lured into his car over the years. Would it be chicken shiit to report that poster in the hopes he might be investagated?

[loborugger]

I don't disagree with you at all... Personally if someone did turn him in i think it's a chicken$hit thing to do. Steve is/was a moron but no one deserves to lose their livelihood based on something they say on a message board.

Something interesting (to me atleast)... If he really is a cop, and this leads to a suspension/termination, how long before this ends up as in the courts debating the extent of freedom of speech.


As I think about this - assuming that he really is a cop - all you have here is the ravings of a malcontent. Its hearsay - a first year law student could get this crap thrown out court. If there is no act to back up the rantings, there is no crime. He will be made to look a fool amongst the members of his outfit which I think was the intent of the snitch to begin with.

Baja quoted me a while back regarding the need to rat out bad cops. Ya, I can see that. But again - we have witnessed crime zero. I havent seen Tensi (Hell, I dont even know the dudes name) abuse a suspect, plant evidence, or anything. I couldnt pick him out in a line up, couldnt ID his voice on tape, couldnt describe his vehicle But yet, someone took it upon themselves to not only inform his supervisors (which maybe could be defended), but the media. They just sullied the name of the whole NM SP just to blacken one oaf's eye - who again may or may not actually be a member of the NM SP. Life isnt like Hollywood. If this dude actually had spent 18 years on the force abusing minorities, planting evidence, etc, etc, he woulda gotten caught - caught by someone who witnessed something first hand. Ask the guys who thumped Rodney King, or the NYPD officers that shoved a plunger up their suspect's butt.

And I got hand it to the New Mexican. Boy, this is some hard hitting journalism that will ferret out public corruption and will bring this reporter a pultizer. This is right up there with Bob Woodward exposing Watergate. What a joke. This kind of second hand ramblings of a malcontent is more worthy of a paper like the National Enquirer.

Who ever the snitch is, I think you have about as much class as Tensi - maybe less.

[baja]

As I think about this - assuming that he really is a cop - all you have here is the ravings of a malcontent. Its hearsay - a first year law student could get this crap thrown out court. If there is no act to back up the rantings, there is no crime. He will be made to look a fool amongst the members of his outfit which I think was the intent of the snitch to begin with.

Baja quoted me a while back regarding the need to rat out bad cops. Ya, I can see that. But again - we have witnessed crime zero. I havent seen Tensi (Hell, I dont even know the dudes name) abuse a suspect, plant evidence, or anything. I couldnt pick him out in a line up, couldnt ID his voice on tape, couldnt describe his vehicle But yet, someone took it upon themselves to not only inform his supervisors (which maybe could be defended), but the media. They just sullied the name of the whole NM SP just to blacken one oaf's eye - who again may or may not actually be a member of the NM SP. Life isnt like Hollywood. If this dude actually had spent 18 years on the force abusing minorities, planting evidence, etc, etc, he woulda gotten caught - caught by someone who witnessed something first hand. Ask the guys who thumped Rodney King, or the NYPD officers that shoved a plunger up their suspect's butt.

And I got hand it to the New Mexican. Boy, this is some hard hitting journalism that will ferret out public corruption and will bring this reporter a pultizer. This is right up there with Bob Woodward exposing Watergate. What a joke. This kind of second hand ramblings of a malcontent is more worthy of a paper like the National Enquirer.

Who ever the snitch is, I think you have about as much class as Tensi - maybe less.

Nobody is accusing Steve of anything! He claims to be a State Trooper, he further claims enjoying abusing his authority in many many posts. I applaud the fact that someone is looking into the possible validity of these statements. If Steve is guilty of only internet bullshiit than no harm no foul. If he in fact does the thing he claims be does than get him out on that position of power.

How about the guy that outed Ken Haggard is he a scum ball for doing it?

[TheDave]

What if someone posts how much he likes to have sex with very young girls and that they really love him because he is a tender lover. And goes on tho claim how many dozens of these girls he has lured into his car over the years. Would it be chicken shiit to report that poster in the hopes he might be investagated?

When steve says he is/was a child molester I'll agree with you. What i read was the poorly thought out ramblings in an effort to counter act the liberal leaning of some posters. Night and day from your analogy.

[Garcia Bronco]

A completely seperate comment..I find it amazing the way the thing is worded. Throw that guy under the jail. And for all intents and purposes, the guy might have just been blowing off steam. On the surface it seems justified...but deep down...it might be a little unfair. It's just a message board. It's not real life.

[Hogan11]

This is interesting to say the least.

[TheDave]

How about the guy that outed Ken Haggard is he a scum ball for doing it?


You're not having a good day with the analogies Baja... The guy who "outed" ken haggard had first hand knowledge of his acts. All we have are rants, rants that could make someones life real difficult whether true or not...

[bfoflcommish]

Now I know why I don't post down here...waa I don't agree with you and I am going to turn you in..waaaa waaa I am a crybaby that can't handle internet chat waaa waaaa Everyone better agree with me and only me or they will get told on, waa waa I'm telling on you.

I hope to god it was noone on here and it was just someone lurking in.

If it was in fact someone on here I think you really need to look at yourself as well. If you cannot go to a sports message board and say things where can you go?

Like mentioned above, unless we witnessed first hand WE HAVE NOTHING!

What if I said I ran over a dog this morning are you going to automatically believe me and call the cops? What if I said someone I know has first hand knowledge of a murder...uhh ohh better go tell someone even though I could be lying out my ass!

But at least whoever it was told like the child they are, instead of manning up like the adult they should be.

[baja]

When steve says he is/was a child molester I'll agree with you. What i read was the poorly thought out ramblings in an effort to counter act the liberal leaning of some posters. Night and day from your analogy.

Actually the difference is only a matter of degree.

Maybe you think that a cop planting drugs on someone driving a car with a democratic party bumber sticker is no big deal but if you were in the car and went to jail over the matter or lost you job because of the accusation you might feel the allegory was closer than you do now. Remember I never said Steve was guilty but he did make the statements and did claim to be a state trooper. I contend the allegory is appropriate.

[baja]

You're not having a good day with the analogies Baja... The guy who "outed" ken haggard had first hand knowledge of his acts. All we have are rants, rants that could make someones life real difficult whether true or not...

I was speaking to the connotation attached to one that "rats" another to the authorities. Again no one is proclaiming Steve guilty but what makes this different is the fact he claims to be a state trooper and he claims to plant drugs on innocent people to punish them for their political affiliation. Glad someone is asking that this be looked into and if Steve did not do these things than he has nothing to be worried about.

[Spider]

This is why I dont post anything I cant back up ........... alo9t of people say Spider you are angry , mean , Plain nasty , but everything I post , I can back up ....... i dont have to worry about people turning me in

[TheDave]

http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/52532.html

Police step up Web site probe

State police became "more concerned" Tuesday about an investigation into a person who has been posting disturbing comments on a Web site for Denver Broncos fans but could not elaborate because of the investigation.

Peter Olson, spokesman for the state Department of Public Safety, said the investigation is not yet conclusive, and he expects it will not end in the immediate future because it will be painstaking and thorough.

The investigation concerns someone who goes by the moniker SteveTensi13 on The Orange Mane Web site, which contains online discussion forums for Broncos fans. Steve Tensi is a former Broncos quarterback who wore No. 13.

SteveTensi13 has stated in the forums that he is a state police officer in Española. "I'll tell you one thing," he wrote Nov. 8, the day after Election Day. "When I go back to work, the first vehicle I see with a pro-democrat bumper sticker will get a nice visit from the friendly policeman and that friendly policeman just might find some incriminating drugs in said vehicle. I'm not saying, I'm just saying."

Olson said he could not talk about the investigation except to say investigators are checking to see if any state computers have accessed The Orange Mane.

[Spider]

Now I know why I don't post down here...waa I don't agree with you and I am going to turn you in..waaaa waaa I am a crybaby that can't handle internet chat waaa waaaa Everyone better agree with me and only me or they will get told on, waa waa I'm telling on you.

I hope to god it was noone on here and it was just someone lurking in.

If it was in fact someone on here I think you really need to look at yourself as well. If you cannot go to a sports message board and say things where can you go?

Like mentioned above, unless we witnessed first hand WE HAVE NOTHING!

What if I said I ran over a dog this morning are you going to automatically believe me and call the cops? What if I said someone I know has first hand knowledge of a murder...uhh ohh better go tell someone even though I could be lying out my ass!

But at least whoever it was told like the child they are, instead of manning up like the adult they should be.
would be just blowing off steam if I was posting about running cars off the road in my rig ?
running red lights ?
How about if I had said , first car I see with a pro republican sticker , they will get ran off the road ?
Tell me you wouldnt be concerned every time a 18 wheeler .........

[TheDave]

How about if I had said , first car I see with a pro republican sticker , they will get ran off the road ?
Tell me you wouldnt be concerned every time a 18 wheeler .........

Actually i think you have said that...:)

[Spider]

Actually i think you have said that...:)

;D if I did I dont remember it .... there was that Condi 08 sticker on a car in Utah where I was tempted , but harrassed them in a different way

[Sideburn]

;D if I did I dont remember it .... there was that Condi 08 sticker on a car in Utah where I was tempted , but harrassed them in a different way
I think you told me you were gonna run me over one time. We were "discussing" something about bad drivers at the time. I think we ended up taking our frustration out on phinheaven though.!Booya!

[Spider]

I think you told me you were gonna run me over one time. We were "discussing" something about bad drivers at the time. I think we ended up taking our frustration out on phinheaven though.!Booya!

I seriously doubt that , when we got into to it , I was retired from trucking trying my hand at real estate ;D

[bfoflcommish]

would be just blowing off steam if I was posting about running cars off the road in my rig ?
running red lights ?
How about if I had said , first car I see with a pro republican sticker , they will get ran off the road ?
Tell me you wouldnt be concerned every time a 18 wheeler .........

honestly I wouldn't be concerned, unless I heard or read on the news that a similar situation happend and it was near where you say you are at the time.

If you say you are in for example green river utah, and then 9news shows an accident where they say an 18 wheeler was part of it, then it could be a concern, but if there is nothing then there is nothing.

[Spider]

honestly I wouldn't be concerned, unless I heard or read on the news that a similar situation happend and it was near where you say you are at the time.

If you say you are in for example green river utah, and then 9news shows an accident where they say an 18 wheeler was part of it, then it could be a concern, but if there is nothing then there is nothing.

but you would still relate the accident with my post ........
Now place me as a cop , you would have to question every arrest

[baja]

Does the absence of Steve indicate some truth to this matter.

[bfoflcommish]

but you would still relate the accident with my post ........
Now place me as a cop , you would have to question every arrest

you would have to question every arrest if after that Tuesday a person arrested came on the news saying the truth...but did you hear of any such thing...nope, becasue it didn't happen. blowing off steam, big talk on the internet, call it what you want. But to turn someone in for something that is more than likely false shows how well some people handle being argued with, or disagreed with.

The internet is not for everyone...lol

[Spider]

you would have to question every arrest if after that Tuesday a person arrested came on the news saying the truth...but did you hear of any such thing...nope, becasue it didn't happen. blowing off steam, big talk on the internet, call it what you want. But to turn someone in for something that is more than likely false shows how well some people handle being argued with, or disagreed with.

The internet is not for everyone...lolRealy havent heard too much either way ............But the Police found it worthy of investigation .........
I dont think Steve was turned in for arguing , he was turned in for posting doing some questionable things while in power ..........

[JCMElway]

Does the absence of Steve indicate some truth to this matter.

He just posted in the main forum.....

[Blueflame]

Does the absence of Steve indicate some truth to this matter.

If he really is a state trooper, then it's very likely his bosses told him/advised him to stay off the WRP forum until the investigation is complete, Baja. Then again, if he's just BS'ing, he could just be embarrassed that he's gonna be caught in a fib. My own take is that he probably really is a cop and could genuinely be in trouble over it all. :(

Sucks that it all came down right at the holidays, too....

[Old Dude]

Were famous Ha!

Since we are under the scrutiny of the press and God knows who else, I would just like to state for the record:

1. I am 14 years old, have no political opinions about anything, have never done drugs or even shoplifted, and am in no position of authority over anyone except maybe my pet guinea pig and he seldom pays me any attention.

2. Any comments I might have ever made about explosives, demon-summoning, sexual improprities, secret sub-basements in my house or Tatum Bell's blitz recognition skills were just harmless fantasies drawn from my adolescent imagination, and I would never consider acting on any of them.

3. I do not live anywhere near the state of Colorado, despite what my profile indicates. I actually live in Tokyo, Japan.

4. In a really big building in a crowded neighborhood, so don't bother looking.

5. I think the FBI is really cool, and I just hope that some day, some way, I can help them out with catching terrorists or something. I admire our government and everyone in it even when I might not agree with every decision that it makes, and I would probably be even more amenable if I was a mature adult or had the slightest idea of anything going on outside the parameters of my weekly Dungeons and Dragons game.

6. I have never cheated on my taxes because I am a complete nobody who doesn't make enough to pay taxes and I overpay anyway, just to stay out of trouble.

7. I have no idea who any of these other posters are and never read anything they write, and would probably be appalled if I did. In particular, I have never read anything posted by Slap, Beerslug, TheDave, and especially not Hotrod or Clavica-clamicul--clavki--whatever the hell his name is.

That is all.

[Old Dude]

And I don't know anyone named Rascal or Sideburn or Mile High Shack, either. I think they all live in Boston, or something.

[elsid13]

Can we turn this into a marketing opportunity???

I think it might turn out better then Hotrod Swimsuit calender

[baja]

Since we are under the scrutiny of the press and God knows who else, I would just like to state for the record:

1. I am 14 years old, have no political opinions about anything, have never done drugs or even shoplifted, and am in no position of authority over anyone except maybe my pet guinea pig and he seldom pays me any attention.

2. Any comments I might have ever made about explosives, demon-summoning, sexual improprieties, secret sub-basements in my house or Tatum Bell's blitz recognition skills were just harmless fantasies drawn from my adolescent imagination, and I would never consider acting on any of them.

3. I do not live anywhere near the state of Colorado, despite what my profile indicates. I actually live in Tokyo, Japan.

4. In a really big building in a crowded neighborhood, so don't bother looking.

5. I think the FBI is really cool, and I just hope that some day, some way, I can help them out with catching terrorists or something. I admire our government and everyone in it even when I might not agree with every decision that it makes, and I would probably be even more amenable if I was a mature adult or had the slightest idea of anything going on outside the parameters of my weekly Dungeons and Dragons game.

6. I have never cheated on my taxes because I am a complete nobody who doesn't make enough to pay taxes and I overpay anyway, just to stay out of trouble.

7. I have no idea who any of these other posters are and never read anything they write, and would probably be appalled if I did. In particular, I have never read anything posted by Slap, Beerslug, TheDave, and especially not Hotrod or Clavica-clamicul--clavki--whatever the hell his name is.

That is all.
You silly old fool, do you not realize how suspicious you have made yourself now.

[Old Dude]

I don't know anything about baja, either.

I like jelly beans and sunflowers. But I would change my mind if anyone objected.

[elsid13]

I don't know anything about baja, either.

I like jelly beans and sunflowers. But I would change my mind if anyone objected.

Coward ;D

[theAPAOps5]

This website probably is now on the CIA watch list, LOL.

[Spider]

This website probably is now on the CIA watch list, LOL.

Concider yourself framed and turned in mister ;D

[Atlas]

When steve says he is/was a child molester I'll agree with you. What i read was the poorly thought out ramblings in an effort to counter act the liberal leaning of some posters. Night and day from your analogy.

I agree. Tensi, was just saying that sh!t to get a rise out of us. Hell, I do the same thing. Whoever reported this should be ashamed of themselves. I think it's disgraceful.

This sh!t would only happen here in the politics forum. People are so petty.

[Atlas]

Nobody is accusing Steve of anything! He claims to be a State Trooper, he further claims enjoying abusing his authority in many many posts. I applaud the fact that someone is looking into the possible validity of these statements. If Steve is guilty of only internet bullshiit than no harm no foul. If he in fact does the thing he claims be does than get him out on that position of power.



The fact is that even if he never did these things and was just talking out his ass to get a rise out of us he could still get fired. That's BS.

[baja]

The fact is that even if he never did these things and was just talking out his ass to get a rise out of us he could still get fired. That's BS.

And you know that how????

[Atlas]

And you know that how????
Know that he could get fired for what he was saying?? She he could. What he said could upset people and even with no proof of him actually doing these things they could still fire him.

[Barry Ramey]

I've seen this kind of thing happen before. A few years ago in a basketball forum I believe it was, a couple of guys, well actually, it was more got into it with posting attack type posts at each other, filled with profane language and stuff. One guy was sending these messages from a work computer, I don't remember how this was known, but anyway, someone found out where the guy worked and contacted his place of work and boss and I guess sent copies of the messages to his boss and the guy was fired from his job.

[loborugger]

This is interesting to say the least.

A lot of people in this thread have thrown out the "Big Brother" notion. Its really a misnomer, IMHO.

There wasnt a secret agent spying here. The Patriot Act wasnt involved. The CIA wasnt doing domestic surveillance.

Further, if you look at Bush as "Big Brother" then its ironic to note that Tensi was one of the "good guys" and about the furtherest right poster on here - so far out there it was almost a parody.

Nope, what it boils down to is this - one of our own gave him up. Maybe, possibly it was an unregistered lurker, but more than likely, it was one of us.

[freak6]

I just want to tell everybody that my former comments were a complete joke, and nothing but a joke, so help me God. I swear. I actually think Cheney is the best VP America ever had, and I think George Bush is a great president. I'm behind him 100%. That's all I have to say.

Ditto. Viva la Bush!!!

I was OBVOUSLY <b>sarcastic</b> in my criticism of the <b>GREATEST</b> Administration in the history of the country.

[Old Dude]

... Nope, what it boils down to is this - one of our own gave him up. Maybe, possibly it was an unregistered lurker, but more than likely, it was one of us.

God, don't you love this Survivor Game?

















...oops, wrong subforum ...

[TheDave]

God, don't you love this Survivor Game?


Damn everything i said in that damn survivor game could get my ass fired... well... not right now, but it sure as hell would of if i were still teaching

[Old Dude]

Just reading that thread would be enough to get most people fired.

[baja]

Know that he could get fired for what he was saying?? She he could. What he said could upset people and even with no proof of him actually doing these things they could still fire him.

Dude, Steve has said he has served on the NM state police force for 18 years do you really think he would be fired because of some internet hearsay?

[TheDave]

Dude, Steve has said he has served on the NM state police force for 18 years do you really think he would be fired because of some internet hearsay?

Peter Olson, spokesman for the state Department of Public Safety, said department officials do not believe the person is a state police officer, but if he is, "he won't be a police officer for long."


In this rediculous PC world we live in... Yeah I do.

[theAPAOps5]

I blame boob

[GonzoLays]

Shame on anyone insinuating that someone turned in Steve Tensi. For all you guys know, SteveTensi is the one that turned in SteveTensi and he is just having one big huge laugh about it. So unless you know firsthand who turned in who, I suggest we keep Beerslugs and LABFs name out of this. LABF is not even here to defend himself.

People say all kind of crazy **** about themselves on a message board, doesn't mean its true. Take the poster known as 'Rascal' for instance. He claims that as a 6'4" 275 pound lineman, he once ran the 40 in 4.5. Does that make it truthful? Hell no? Does he look like a clown for saying it? Sure he does. He might be the fatest, fastest message board poster in the WORLD!!

[Crushaholic]

I blame boob

Ordinarily, I would agree with you on giving him the blame. However, I've never seen him in this particular forum...

[-Slap-]

Not sure if this has been discussed yet, if not, have at it. Sorry, there wasn't a link in the original post and I don't care enough to go searching. Just thought some here would find this interesting.
http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/52498.html

First I've seen of this, but the thread from which most of his quotes were pulled was from a conversation with me about tasers. I actually thought I gave him a chance to sound less cavalier after his initial post on the thread and he took it.

Don't the newspapers know that various police forums exist where cops, real and internet, exchange war stories, trash talk and gripes about their respective precincts?

Finally, if Tensi was really performing corrupt abuses of power, would that be his dark little secret or something he brags about to strangers on a message board?

I think he just talks a lot of smack to get under people's skin and someone decided to run with it.

[-Slap-]

A lot of people in this thread have thrown out the "Big Brother" notion. Its really a misnomer, IMHO.

There wasnt a secret agent spying here. The Patriot Act wasnt involved. The CIA wasnt doing domestic surveillance.

Further, if you look at Bush as "Big Brother" then its ironic to note that Tensi was one of the "good guys" and about the furtherest right poster on here - so far out there it was almost a parody.

Nope, what it boils down to is this - one of our own gave him up. Maybe, possibly it was an unregistered lurker, but more than likely, it was one of us.

I once posted I thought Tensi was a made up persona a few right wingers on the board cooked up to have fun with the left wingers.

[gunns]

Some of the attributes given on the Web site match a particular officer, Olson said, but investigators do not believe that officer would make those comments.

He won't lose his job, look who's investigating him.

[Southern Bronco]

You're close, Slap. My theory is it's a Moby job by a left winger who also served in the Air Force in No Dak. And you know who you are.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/165111p-144622c.html

[-Slap-]

You're close, Slap. My theory is it's a Moby job by a left winger who also served in the Air Force in No Dak. And you know who you are.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/165111p-144622c.html

That story you linked would have to be bogus. W had a card at a different clinic that gave him every twelfth abortion free.

[Northman]

Now I know why I don't post down here...waa I don't agree with you and I am going to turn you in..waaaa waaa I am a crybaby that can't handle internet chat waaa waaaa Everyone better agree with me and only me or they will get told on, waa waa I'm telling on you.

I hope to god it was noone on here and it was just someone lurking in.

If it was in fact someone on here I think you really need to look at yourself as well. If you cannot go to a sports message board and say things where can you go?

Like mentioned above, unless we witnessed first hand WE HAVE NOTHING!

What if I said I ran over a dog this morning are you going to automatically believe me and call the cops? What if I said someone I know has first hand knowledge of a murder...uhh ohh better go tell someone even though I could be lying out my ass!

But at least whoever it was told like the child they are, instead of manning up like the adult they should be.




Talking garbage on a message board is one thing. But talking about performing a criminal act is a whole different story. There are a lot of predators who use messageboards to attract young kids. So any mention joking or not about doing a criminal act should be taken seriously. There are some things you just dont joke about and this would be one of them.

[Northman]

The fact is that even if he never did these things and was just talking out his ass to get a rise out of us he could still get fired. That's BS.



Accountabilty. Its not rocket science. If you make statements that could come back to haunt you dont make them. Jokingly or not.

[watermock]

I just hit the Big One in SE Arkansas.

If they want to investigat the SteveTensi13 guy it's fine with me. Something apparently isn't kosher.

[Pezman]

I blame that whore skank Heather Wilson for this ;D

[Bronco_Beerslug]

All I've got to say is that Tensi claims he was in the AF in North Dakota in the early 80's, and there is another poster who claimed the same thing.

I think Southern Bronco nailed it.
Who was that?

[banyon]

Lousy Chiefs fans' opinions:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=153055

Even though it might mean the incarceration of a Bronco Fan, I think we're mostly of the anti-investigation bent.

[alkemical]

All I've got to say is that Tensi claims he was in the AF in North Dakota in the early 80's, and there is another poster who claimed the same thing.

I think Southern Bronco nailed it.

yeah i've been thinkin' the same thing latley

[-Slap-]

Alright, its time I came clean. Back in my younger days, I played for the Broncos under the name Bo Hickey.

[Atlas]

Alright, its time I came clean. Back in my younger days, I played for the Broncos under the name Bo Hickey.

Bo?? I was a big fan of yours!
As long as everyone is coming clean I was the original #53.
Sincerley, Ken Criter

[BroncoBuff]

I received a note from Steve .... it looks like he will resign before they can terminate him.

It's too bad. If anybody wants to write a letter of support for his personnel file, PM me and I'll give you the address.



I understand your point completely, baja, and if there was any evidence he actually DID any of the crazy things he talked about, then I would agree with you. But this should be a free-form discussion board, and anybody should be free to post whatever they like. ACTIONS matter, WORDS should mean nothing.

For example, I was a criminal defense attorney for 10 years in LA ... what if I had said, "that 18th street gang-banger deserved what he got. I just let it happen - I said 'let him spend a few years in Corcoran to think about what he did.'" Would that mean I should be disbarred? What if they took a look at the case and found I that I had gone the extra mile for the guy at every turn - more than any lawyer would have? Should I still be disbarred? Just for my words?

In another example, I happen to know two users on this board who purport to be something they are not (three counting Pat Bowlen :~ohyah!: where has he been anyway?) Their fraud might be their identity, job, location, personal data, but they are presenting falsehood and defrauding everybody here. But should any of us really care?

[alkemical]

interesting.

and no, i don't really care in some ways.

[defenseman]

I received a note from Steve .... it looks like he will resign before they can terminate him.

It's too bad. If anybody wants to write a letter of support for his personnel file, PM me and I'll give you the address.



I understand your point completely, baja, and if there was any evidence he actually DID any of the crazy things he talked about, then I would agree with you. But this should be a free-form discussion board, and anybody should be free to post whatever they like. ACTIONS matter, WORDS should mean nothing.

For example, I was a criminal defense attorney for 10 years in LA ... what if I had said, "that 18th street gang-banger deserved what he got. I just let it happen - I said 'let him spend a few years in Corcoran to think about what he did.'" Would that mean I should be disbarred? What if they took a look at the case and found I that I had gone the extra mile for the guy at every turn - more than any lawyer would have? Should I still be disbarred? Just for my words?

In another example, I happen to know two users on this board who purport to be something they are not (three counting Pat Bowlen :~ohyah!: where has he been anyway?) Their fraud might be their identity, job, location, personal data, but they are presenting falsehood and defrauding everybody here. But should any of us really care?

Really sad. And, it apparently is NOT a free form posting area. Seeing as Tensi's "free posting" has apparently cost him his employment. Damn sad to hear. Well, I guess the head hunting will continue here I can only assume, on that note, I am outta here...dman

[Rohirrim]

In another example, I happen to know two users on this board who purport to be something they are not (three counting Pat Bowlen :~ohyah!: where has he been anyway?) Their fraud might be their identity, job, location, personal data, but they are presenting falsehood and defrauding everybody here. But should any of us really care?

Depends on who it is. Come on, BB. Snitch 'em off. Does this mean you are using your lawyer powers to investigate other posters? Man. This place is getting spooky. ;D

Seriously, though I found many of Tensi's remarks reprehensible and had him on ignore, I still think a guy losing his job over some message board bs is just sad.

[BroncoBuff]

Yup. Sad is the right word here.


I'm a true liberal, and free speech means just that - unless your speech infringes on another's rights, say whatever you like. W*GS is even more liberal in this area, believe it or not.

BUT ALSO, if he had made those statements in person to somebody while wearing the uniform, that would be punishable.

But on the Orange Mane? Puh-leeeeez.

[TailgateNut]

Really sad. And, it apparently is NOT a free form posting area. Seeing as Tensi's "free posting" has apparently cost him his employment. Damn sad to hear. Well, I guess the head hunting will continue here I can only assume, on that note, I am outta here...dman


You better watch it, or you could end up being a land-lubber;D ! Hurry up and delete all prior questionable posts immediatly!
It just goes to show you, if you are going to post ****, be very sure you are willing and able to back up or discount those comments and claims if and when the **** hits the fan!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I received a note from Steve .... it looks like he will resign before they can terminate him.
Are you saying he actually is a police officer?

It's too bad. If anybody wants to write a letter of support for his personnel file, PM me and I'll give you the address.
Are you kidding? Support of what, his bigotry, racial hatred, what exactly would one want to endorse of his?


I understand your point completely, baja, and if there was any evidence he actually DID any of the crazy things he talked about, then I would agree with you. But this should be a free-form discussion board, and anybody should be free to post whatever they like. ACTIONS matter, WORDS should mean nothing. For the average Joe on the street, possibly, for police officers they mean much more.

For example, I was a criminal defense attorney for 10 years in LA ... what if I had said, "that 18th street gang-banger deserved what he got. I just let it happen - I said 'let him spend a few years in Corcoran to think about what he did.'" Would that mean I should be disbarred? What if they took a look at the case and found I that I had gone the extra mile for the guy at every turn - more than any lawyer would have? Should I still be disbarred? Just for my words?If you didn't fulfill your oath, absolutely!!!

In another example, I happen to know two users on this board who purport to be something they are not (three counting Pat Bowlen :~ohyah!: where has he been anyway?) Their fraud might be their identity, job, location, personal data, but they are presenting falsehood and defrauding everybody here. But should any of us really care?If they are in positions of power and threatening other people, yeah we probably should.

[Spider]

I received a note from Steve .... it looks like he will resign before they can terminate him.

It's too bad. If anybody wants to write a letter of support for his personnel file, PM me and I'll give you the address.


well if they do terminate him or he resigns they should seal the case , and let him seel employment else where ........

[Rohirrim]

well if they do terminate him or he resigns they should seal the case , and let him seel employment else where ........

Maybe in Cheyenne? ;D

[TailgateNut]

Yup. Sad is the right word here.


I'm a true liberal, and free speech means just that - unless your speech infringes on another's rights, say whatever you like. W*GS is even more liberal in this area, believe it or not.

BUT ALSO, if he had made those statements in person to somebody while wearing the uniform, that would be punishable.

But on the Orange Mane? Puh-leeeeez.

Maybe the issue isn't what what said. Maybe it's when and which computer was used and if the person is supposed to be on the job, not on the net! I would go out on a limb and guess there are many posters here who access the net while on the job.
We can all guess until the cows come home and still be clueless to the actual facts surrounding this situation.

Who knows???

[epicSocialism4tw]

Man...this is really unfortunate.

[Spider]

Maybe in Cheyenne? ;D

LOL Casper needs cops ........ err wait that would be a bad idea ;D

[alkemical]

Not the first time someone got fired over what they write on the internet.

People have been fired for their blog entries as well.

[OrangeShadow]

wow this thing grew legss and ran fast

[smalltowngrll]

I don't understand why people would WANT to claim to be someone or something they are not!? That's what fantasy forums are for...right?

[Spider]

Man...this is really unfortunate.

yeah it is sad ,I wish steve didnt make those comments , but he did , and now there is a price to pay.........................I have paid my dues for my past deeds , no one showed me mercy or lienency ......... Steve is no different ....... and before yo usay freedom of Speech , I stood in court and told 1 armed Judge Hayes in Greeley colo all he was good for was raising Fags ........ I got time added for that 1 .........

[epicSocialism4tw]

and before yo usay freedom of Speech , I stood in court and told 1 armed Judge Hayes in Greeley colo all he was good for was raising Fags ........ I got time added for that 1 .........

Goodness, Spider. I think that I would call that "dumb". ;D

[alkemical]

i'm just glad people only know i'm craaaazy

[Spider]

Goodness, Spider. I think that I would call that "dumb". ;D

;D it wasnt one of my better moments ......... but I did it

[Crushaholic]

yeah it is sad ,I wish steve didnt make those comments , but he did , and now there is a price to pay.........................I have paid my dues for my past deeds , no one showed me mercy or lienency ......... Steve is no different ....... and before yo usay freedom of Speech , I stood in court and told 1 armed Judge Hayes in Greeley colo all he was good for was raising Fags ........ I got time added for that 1 .........

You have foot-in-mouth disease, Spider? Say it 'aint so...ROFL!

[Meck77]

Hmm lost his job. That's unfortunate.

If any of you want to get me fired for something I said on here just email my boss at admin@orangeforceone.com. Don't be suprised if you get a response that goes something like this "FU".;D

[Spider]

You have foot-in-mouth disease, Spider? Say it 'aint so...ROFL!

;D I have changed alot since I got a family , but that wasnt my only mishap in court ;D

[Spider]

Hmm lost his job. That's unfortunate.

If any of you want to get me fired for something I said on here just email my boss at admin@orangeforceone.com. Don't be suprised if you get a response that goes something like this "FU".;D

dear orangeforceone.com ....... Fire that prick , have a nice day ;D

[TailgateNut]

Hmm lost his job. That's unfortunate.

If any of you want to get me fired for something I said on here just email my boss at admin@orangeforceone.com. Don't be suprised if you get a response that goes something like this "FU".;D


Ditto. Please feel free to complain to MGT. :thumbsup: You may not like the response! Just ask my employees and sub-contractors. I do have an open door policy, but be prepared to hear the bitter truth when you dare to enter!:wiggle:

[Spider]

Ditto. Please feel free to complain to MGT. :thumbsup: You may not like the response! Just ask my employees and sub-contractors. I do have an open door policy, but be prepared to hear the bitter truth when you dare to enter!:wiggle:

Dear MGT , please fire that prick , have a nice day ;D

[TailgateNut]

Dear MGT , please fire that prick , have a nice day ;D

Thank you. Now I can shut down and go to the watering hole! If my guys screw up while I'm gone, they'll be history tomorrow!

[Spider]

Thank you. Now I can shut down and go to the watering hole! If my guys screw up while I'm gone, they'll be history tomorrow!

;D thats the spirit

[TailgateNut]

;D thats the spirit

Hey, I'm good employer, unless you step on my toes! Then I become one hell of a bastard! You'ld be better off grabbing a rhino by the horn!

[Spider]

Hey, I'm good employer, unless you step on my toes! Then I become one hell of a bastard! You'ld be better off grabbing a rhino by the horn!

LOL , I worked for a guy in Denver , nice guy , one day he said , my wife will ride with you on this run, somthing to do with the COD charge ( just going outside of Denver 30 miles max) so this woman climbs up in the cab and away we went , then she started asking questions , I turned the truck around went back to the yard , marched into the office and said , if I drive that truck I am going alone , she isnt invited , he got mouthy , I got mouthy , got fired ;D but other then that he was a nice guy

[TailgateNut]

That wasn't me. The only time I deal with Truckers is when the get lost making delivering, or when they get stuck on my jobsites. F-ing non-driving MF's!;D

[Spider]

That wasn't me. The only time I deal with Truckers is when the get lost making delivering, or when they get stuck on my jobsites. F-ing non-driving MF's!;D

LOL , I love getting stuck on Job sites ........... last time I was stuck was on Sandy Draw road 17 hours got paid 28.50 an hour to play x box ;D

[TheDave]

I received a note from Steve .... it looks like he will resign before they can terminate him.

It's too bad. If anybody wants to write a letter of support for his personnel file, PM me and I'll give you the address.





I got a PM from him also... Seriously messed up situation... Do me a favor BroncoBuff and PM me that address.

[Spider]

I got a PM from him also... Seriously messed up situation... Do me a favor BroncoBuff and PM me that address.

I dont Hate Steve, but I cant support him either , no one forced him to post what he did

[alkemical]

Ditto - i'll write a letter for him as well.

[Blueflame]

I received a note from Steve .... it looks like he will resign before they can terminate him.
It's too bad it came to this for ST13... a law enforcement officer should have known better than to post such stuff on a public forum, though... even if it's tongue-in-cheek or just messing around.

Hopefully another job offer is just around the corner for him. Best wishes to him.

In another example, I happen to know two users on this board who purport to be something they are not (three counting Pat Bowlen :~ohyah!: where has he been anyway?) Their fraud might be their identity, job, location, personal data, but they are presenting falsehood and defrauding everybody here. But should any of us really care?
What? You mean some random poster on the internet claims to be someone or something they're not?? :P

[TheDave]

I dont Hate Steve, but I cant support him either , no one forced him to post what he did

and that's fair... but i can't just stand by and watch a man and his family lose their livelihood over a couple of questionable posts. Think about all the BS we posted in that Survivor game... any of that could be used against us. Maybe not in your career, but in the ridiculously PC world of govt paid jobs it sure can.

Really a sad situation, I won't post much in this forum from now on... Too bad.

[alkemical]

Damn dave, i'll miss ya.

[Rohirrim]

What? You mean some random poster on the internet claims to be someone or something they're not?? :P

Of course, Blue, this has nothing to do with the fact that I'm 6'1" and look like a young Sean Connery. ;D

[Spider]

and that's fair... but i can't just stand by and watch a man and his family lose their livelihood over a couple of questionable posts. Think about all the BS we posted in that Survivor game... any of that could be used against us. Maybe not in your career, but in the ridiculously PC world of govt paid jobs it sure can.

Really a sad situation, I won't post much in this forum from now on... Too bad.

more then Fair , I dont question your support for him , you have your reasons , and you are not Idiot ,I felt you had a good reason ........... My problem stems alot deeper then just a posting , Ihave issues with the police , and I know they dont hesitate for a second to bust me , so if one goes down all the better in my way of thinking .......

[Spider]

Of course, Blue, this has nothing to do with the fact that I'm 6'1" and look like a young Sean Connery. ;D

you also ? ;D

[Blueflame]

Of course, Blue, this has nothing to do with the fact that I'm 6'1" and look like a young Sean Connery. ;D
you also ? ;D

Of course! ;) :wiggle:

[Taco John]

Is this forum even worth it anymore?

[alkemical]

Seriously though -

I'll write a letter for Mr. Tensi.

I just want to let it known to he and his superiors that i think a charge like this has no merit and in any due process the defendant gets to meet his accuser.

End of story.

[alkemical]

Is this forum even worth it anymore?



TJ -

That's your call. I've enjoyed most of my time here. I feel so aggrivated with humans though. it just goes to show that it seems no one on this f'ing planet is an adult. Which really explains why everything is so f'd up in this world.

Do what though wilst TJ, do what though wilst.

It's your party, i just spike the punch is all.

~josh

[epicSocialism4tw]

Is this forum even worth it anymore?

You know, if this isnt here then these subjects end up impeding on the sports topics, but I really wonder if this place is more trouble than it's worth anyhow.

I can say this tough, if people here have to worry about losing their livelyhood for their opinions (radical or otherwise) or their ramblings, then it becomes really difficult to have a forum like this.

[TailgateNut]

Isn't that a decision the "Decider" needs to make. I would miss the "wonderful" interaction, but could live without it! (at least until the next election):~ohyah!:

[Taco John]

All I know is that I'm heartbroken over this.

[Rohirrim]

Is this forum even worth it anymore?

It's always seemed to me that just one or two ruin it for everybody else. Kind of like KC trolls on the main forum.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

All I know is that I'm heartbroken over this.Why is that? What about the bigot and racist Tensi's situtation who claimed he's a police officer, hired to protect and serve the public (all of the public) breaks your heart?

[epicSocialism4tw]

All I know is that I'm heartbroken over this.

Not your fault, Taco.

You trusted the people here to act like adults.

[alkemical]

I'm pretty pissed off.

I think whomever 'sold out' needs to come forward and state it.

If you are chicken **** enough to make anon tips to rat someone out - how do i know you won't do the same to anyone of us.

You of course don't have to, and i can't make you.

But i will tell you this - F U

If freedom of speech is that dangerous to you, get the hell out of here - and not just the forum on the OM - leave the country.

You have infringed upon a civil liberty with no proof of infractions done by a poster.

I didn't like him, i didn't agree with him - but it's his right to say what he says.

With all my slanderous allegations towards religion, gov't, and having people tell me i'm dangerous - how do i know some of you MF's haven't sold anyone else out.

[TailgateNut]

Being an un-moderated forum it opened the doors to interactions which at times got out of hand (I know I'm guilty of stepping across the line at times regarding true political issues) , but that should be expected when dealing with such sensitive issues, especially considering the current state of affairs.
On the other hand there are many great informational posts and posters here which keep us informed of the daily news regarding current events!

[Taco John]

Why is that? What about the bigot and racist Tensi's situtation who claimed he's a police officer, hired to protect and serve the public (all of the public) breaks your heart?

I can't explain it. It's probably not nearly as rational as turning a guy in for trying to get a rise out of liberals.

[Rohirrim]

I think what it boils down to is one individual on this forum violated a trust. Maybe an unspoken trust, but a trust nonetheless. It would be a shame if everyone had to be penalized for that person's act.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I can't explain it. It's probably not nearly as rational as turning a guy in for trying to get a rise out of liberals.Really, is that what happened? Nothing else to it, eh?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Really, is that what happened? Nothing else to it, eh?

You might want to back off for a little while, Beerslug.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You might want to back off for a little while, Beerslug.A liar and hypocrite telling me that I might want to back off what?

[ZachKC]

I am trying to conjure up some sympathy and I am coming up short.

[epicSocialism4tw]

A liar and hypocrite telling me that I might want to back off what?

Ah...right to the slander. That didnt take long.

Look, I was trying to give you a hint.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I am trying to conjure up some sympathy and I am coming up short.
You heartless bastard!
Ah...right to the slander. That didnt take long.
Look, I was trying to give you a hint.
Slander? Hardly, and what kind of possible "hint" would you have that I'd be interested in?

[ZachKC]

You heartless bastard!

I guess so. A little personal responsibility is a good thing.

[Blueflame]

Is this forum even worth it anymore?

As noted above, the only problem with torpedoing the WRP forum would be that without the subforum, political topics would get posted on the main forum. Perhaps not so many now that the midterm elections are over, but as the 2008 election topics start to come up, people will want to discuss them.

Given that posts on any open internet forum are, by nature, not private, I really don't understand the notion that conversations posted here would be regarded as confidential... that isn't true on any public messageboard. I don't know if it would be possible to make this forum... or a part of it... private and password-protected so that only registered members can read or post, but perhaps that might be an option...

I, too, am quite dismayed with the career repercussions that ST13 is facing and wish him well.

[Taco John]

Really, is that what happened? Nothing else to it, eh?


As far as I know. Do you have evidence otherwise?

[alkemical]

Be a man about it.

come on who are you mr. pandis?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Given that posts on any open internet forum are, by nature, not private, I really don't understand the notion that conversations posted here would be regarded as confidential... that isn't true on any public messageboard.



Blueflame, the propblem that I have with the situation is that this place is only as "secure" as it's members make it. That means that for every Tensi, there is a potential Beerslug, and that makes the place scary. We dont know if Tensi displayed similar behavior on the job. All it took was an accusation and the mailing of some radical opinions.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Another thing...

If a person in Tensi's current situation takes legal action, can they go after the website?

That scares me about all of this as well. Are there any legal scholars schooled in slander or work-related lawsuits here?

[GonzoLays]

Wow, somebody lost their job over what they said at the Orangemane. That is some crazy ****.

Just crazy.

[Northman]

Is this forum even worth it anymore?



Personally, no. All you get is flame wars.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

As far as I know. Do you have evidence otherwise?I have no evidence of anything, that was my question, how do you know that?
Another thing...
If a person in Tensi's current situation takes legal action, can they go after the website?
That scares me about all of this as well. Are there any legal scholars schooled in slander or work-related lawsuits here?
Can a bigot, who says he's a police officer, sue a website for posting his comments? Are you really that dense?

[Northman]

Why is that? What about the bigot and racist Tensi's situtation who claimed he's a police officer, hired to protect and serve the public (all of the public) breaks your heart?



What i dont understand is why people think it was ok for him to post that. Would it have been ok if he posted something racist? Or hate speech? What about molesting children? What exactly is over the top? People keep saying that the snitch should have handled it like an adult. But being an adult is being accountable for what you type on a forum or blog. Its too bad they guy is losing his job but i cant feel sorry for someone was naive enough to post something like that.

[Northman]

As noted above, the only problem with torpedoing the WRP forum would be that without the subforum, political topics would get posted on the main forum. Perhaps not so many now that the midterm elections are over, but as the 2008 election topics start to come up, people will want to discuss them.

Given that posts on any open internet forum are, by nature, not private, I really don't understand the notion that conversations posted here would be regarded as confidential... that isn't true on any public messageboard. I don't know if it would be possible to make this forum... or a part of it... private and password-protected so that only registered members can read or post, but perhaps that might be an option...

I, too, am quite dismayed with the career repercussions that ST13 is facing and wish him well.



Actually, i believe you can make this forum password protected.

[Blueflame]

Blueflame, the propblem that I have with the situation is that this place is only as "secure" as it's members make it. That means that for every Tensi, there is a potential Beerslug, and that makes the place scary. We dont know if Tensi displayed similar behavior on the job. All it took was an accusation and the mailing of some radical opinions.

That's true of any public forum... but none are truly secure. Posting too much personal information on any publicly accessible internet forum is very, very risky, a fact of which most law enforcement officers are acutely aware. When one is in a profession that requires maintaining maximum credibility (as ST13 apparently was), making politically-incorrect statements, even in jest, is incredibly unwise. Even if no actual crime... or malfeasance... is committed, such a remark could (probably would) violate the policies and procedures of one's employer, who most likely won't be amused by the joke.

The bottom line is this... apparently ST13 wasn't lying about being a law enforcement officer. So... the question is, was he joking in some of the over-the-top posts or was he really a badge-heavy rogue cop who selectively enforced the law? If it was choice "B", then he really needs to be in another profession, imho. If it was choice "A", making those posts was a very unwise, foolhardy decision on his part.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Actually, i believe you can make this forum password protected.You possibly could but it wouldn't do anything as far as keeping anything "secret". There really is nothing posted on the Internet that is.

[epicSocialism4tw]

That's true of any public forum... but none are truly secure. Posting too much personal information on any publicly accessible internet forum is very, very risky, a fact of which most law enforcement officers are acutely aware. When one is in a profession that requires maintaining maximum credibility (as ST13 apparently was), making politically-incorrect statements, even in jest, is incredibly unwise. Even if no actual crime... or malfeasance... is committed, such a remark could (probably would) violate the policies and procedures of one's employer, who most likely won't be amused by the joke.

The bottom line is this... apparently ST13 wasn't lying about being a law enforcement officer. So... the question is, was he joking in some of the over-the-top posts or was he really a badge-heavy rogue cop who selectively enforced the law? If it was choice "B", then he really needs to be in another profession, imho. If it was choice "A", making those posts was a very unwise, foolhardy decision on his part.


Those decisions are unwise for any person.

It has become evident that this is more of a case of embittered rivals one-upping one another on a message board than a cop showing how dangerous of a person that he is. I thought that Tensi was over the top, but I have no idea what his behavior is like in the workplace. He worked 18 years at his post.

There are several other posters here who make a living out of shock-value fueled politically incorrect and insensitive posts. Should we begin policing their posts?

[defenseman]

Personally, no. All you get is flame wars.

Unfortunately, Anubis is pretty much spot on. The rhetoric can get heated, and most likely lead to the events that motivated this thread even existing. In any case, I can do without it, just MHO. It's occassionally interesting, but a far cry from being necessary...dman

[Meck77]

Really, is that what happened? Nothing else to it, eh?

I'm sure there is more to the story.

[defenseman]

I'm sure there is more to the story.

Maybe, maybe not. But we aren't getting answers here, nor should we..dman

[Northman]

Those decisions are unwise for any person.

It has become evident that this is more of a case of embittered rivals one-upping one another on a message board than a cop showing how dangerous of a person that he is. I thought that Tensi was over the top, but I have no idea what his behavior is like in the workplace. He worked 18 years at his post.

There are several other posters here who make a living out of shock-value fueled politically incorrect and insensitive posts. Should we begin policing their posts?



probably not, but then again if no one knew that Tensi was a cop there probably wouldnt have been anything too it. I know Steve would use his job as a angle of how he looks at society but i think the fact that he was a cop is what raised the alarm. Again, it could have been someone here who snitched on him or it simply could have been a lurker. We just dont know.

[Mile High Shack]

Is this forum even worth it anymore?

no
all this place is, is flame wars

kinda pointless and takes up database space needed for the real reason for this board

you could blow this whole forum up and you wouldn't lost anything valuable at all

might make the regular section go faster too, give us a lot more database space

[Northman]

Unfortunately, Anubis is pretty much spot on. The rhetoric can get heated, and most likely lead to the events that motivated this thread even existing. In any case, I can do without it, just MHO. It's occassionally interesting, but a far cry from being necessary...dman


Its exactly why i stopped coming in here. The only reason why i even posted in this thread is because it caught my attention on the main forum. But, i used to get into heated arguements with other guys and gals on here and it just made it uncomfortable for me. I like a lot of the people on here and i was just getting angry over their opinions and viewpoints on politics. So, i left and stuck to football talk. ;D

[Blueflame]

Those decisions are unwise for any person.

It has become evident that this is more of a case of embittered rivals one-upping one another on a message board than a cop showing how dangerous of a person that he is. I thought that Tensi was over the top, but I have no idea what his behavior is like in the workplace. He worked 18 years at his post.

There are several other posters here who make a living out of shock-value fueled politically incorrect and insensitive posts. Should we begin policing their posts?

While a politically-incorrect post could have consequences for "any person", they are likely to have more serious consequences for a poster who, in real life, is in a position of authority. ST13 knew... or should have known... that he was taking a big risk when he made those posts.

I'm not advocating that "we" should police anyone's posts... rather that ST13 (hindsight being 20/20) should have "self-policed" his posts and not left his own butt hanging out with a "kick me" sign on it.

[Northman]

no
all this place is, is flame wars

kinda pointless and takes up database space needed for the real reason for this board

you could blow this whole forum up and you wouldn't lost anything valuable at all

might make the regular section go faster too, give us a lot more database space



I pray for the day that after a game i can actually log onto the orangemane for discussions. But, until that day arrives i will have to live with " database error " forever. :D

[Bronco LB 59]

I want to let all of my fellow Broncomaniacs know, I love all of you and I would never do anything to hurt any of you.

[alkemical]

yep for those of you that abuse it you have turned into flame wars

[Mile High Shack]

I pray for the day that after a game i can actually log onto the orangemane for discussions. But, until that day arrives i will have to live with " database error " forever. :D

LOL
no kidding
besides I'd rather flame you for your views on our defense ;)
hehe :thumbs:

seems to me, this forum is only used by about 10 people with about 15000 posts over and over again

maybe we could actually log on after games if we could save some database space by just nuking this forum?

just a thought

[baja]

I received a note from Steve .... it looks like he will resign before they can terminate him.

It's too bad. If anybody wants to write a letter of support for his personnel file, PM me and I'll give you the address.



I understand your point completely, baja, and if there was any evidence he actually DID any of the crazy things he talked about, then I would agree with you. But this should be a free-form discussion board, and anybody should be free to post whatever they like. ACTIONS matter, WORDS should mean nothing.

For example, I was a criminal defense attorney for 10 years in LA ... what if I had said, "that 18th street gang-banger deserved what he got. I just let it happen - I said 'let him spend a few years in Corcoran to think about what he did.'" Would that mean I should be disbarred? What if they took a look at the case and found I that I had gone the extra mile for the guy at every turn - more than any lawyer would have? Should I still be disbarred? Just for my words?

In another example, I happen to know two users on this board who purport to be something they are not (three counting Pat Bowlen :~ohyah!: where has he been anyway?) Their fraud might be their identity, job, location, personal data, but they are presenting falsehood and defrauding everybody here. But should any of us really care?

How do you know you are not being lead further down the path with this email. This Steve Tenisi 13 guy might be laughing his ass off at all this or maybe it's LABF or some other poster.

Frankly taken by themself steve's statements made here would hardly be grounds for dismissal of an 18 year veteran if he was in good standing.

I don't believe this story as it stands.

[alkemical]

LOL
no kidding
besides I'd rather flame you for your views on our defense ;)
hehe :thumbs:

seems to me, this forum is only used by about 10 people with about 15000 posts over and over again

maybe we could actually log on after games if we could save some database space by just nuking this forum?

just a thought

Yep, you'd have so much more room to post duplicate threads.....

[epicSocialism4tw]

While a politically-incorrect post could have consequences for "any person", they are likely to have more serious consequences for a poster who, in real life, is in a position of authority. ST13 knew... or should have known... that he was taking a big risk when he made those posts.

Has anyone turned this guy in yet?
Subpoena the entire Whitehouse. Fry them ALL!!!
FK BUSH

"FK YOUR GOD!!!!"


Posted by Blueflame: I'm not advocating that "we" should police anyone's posts... rather that ST13 (hindsight being 20/20) should have "self-policed" his posts and not left his own butt hanging out with a "kick me" sign on it.

Sure. He should have been smarter. No doubt about that. That doesnt make this any less petty though.

[alkemical]

Anyone that believes in freedom of speech, and the due process and agrees with what happened to Tensi -

You are all selling out.

[Mile High Shack]

Yep, you'd have so much more room to post duplicate threads.....

or talk about football rather than

bush sucks

no he doesn't

bush sucks

no he doesn't

bush sucks

no he doesn't

[epicSocialism4tw]

or talk about football rather than

bush sucks

no he doesn't

bush sucks

no he doesn't

bush sucks

no he doesn't


You forgot all of the personal attacks.

[alkemical]

or talk about football rather than

bush sucks

no he doesn't

bush sucks

no he doesn't

bush sucks

no he doesn't


hmmm

So replace bush with plummer and cite the personal attacks that take place as equally "above" as they do down here "below" and i think it's the same thing.

so what it really boils down to - is we are all miserable SOB's and we can't get along.

In the words of the great philosopher Mock

STFU

LOL j/k ;)

[Mile High Shack]

You forgot all of the personal attacks.

aaa yeah
ok

here ya go

bush sucks ahole

no he doesn't you liberal queer

bush sucks you nazi

no he doesn't you communist

bush sucks you neocon POS

no he doesn't you liberal hippy POS

more like that?

[Old Dude]

aaa yeah
ok

here ya go

bush sucks ahole

no he doesn't you liberal queer

bush sucks you nazi

no he doesn't you communist

bush sucks you neocon POS

no he doesn't you liberal hippy POS

more like that?

Yeah, but I'd toss in a comment about Chris Chambers somewhere, that worthless piece of fantasy dung.

[alkemical]

Notice how all those that want to shut down this part of the board, ignore my points about the football side of it.

I see yellow runs rampant.

[Northman]

LOL
no kidding
besides I'd rather flame you for your views on our defense ;)
hehe :thumbs:

seems to me, this forum is only used by about 10 people with about 15000 posts over and over again

maybe we could actually log on after games if we could save some database space by just nuking this forum?

just a thought



Amen to that! ;)

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yeah, but I'd toss in a comment about Chris Chambers somewhere, that worthless piece of fantasy dung.

Im feelin ya.

[Sideburn]

hmmm

So replace bush with plummer and cite the personal attacks that take place as equally "above" as they do down here "below" and i think it's the same thing.

so what it really boils down to - is we are all miserable SOB's and we can't get along.

In the words of the great philosopher Mock

STFU

LOL j/k ;)

Quoted for truth. Also to quote the great philosopher Mock
"Amusing"

[epicSocialism4tw]

hmmm
So replace bush with plummer and cite the personal attacks that take place as equally "above" as they do down here "below" and i think it's the same thing.
so what it really boils down to - is we are all miserable SOB's and we can't get along.
In the words of the great philosopher Mock
STFU
LOL j/k ;)


'Tis true my man.

[Northman]

hmmm

So replace bush with plummer and cite the personal attacks that take place as equally "above" as they do down here "below" and i think it's the same thing.

so what it really boils down to - is we are all miserable SOB's and we can't get along.

In the words of the great philosopher Mock

STFU

LOL j/k ;)



Actually, it gets a hell of a lot nastier in the Politics forum than it does with the football talk. Honestly, if there isnt a lot of people who use this part of the forum than why not do away with it? You can find politics forums anywhere on the net.

[patteeu]

Why is that? What about the bigot and racist Tensi's situtation who claimed he's a police officer, hired to protect and serve the public (all of the public) breaks your heart?

So did you do it, Beerslug? I wouldn't have guessed it would be you even after seeing the post where you came up with the idea, but the lack of a denial in this thread makes it look like I'm wrong.

[Blueflame]

Has anyone turned this guy in yet?

Sure. He should have been smarter. No doubt about that. That doesnt make this any less petty though.

I have no clue who posted those quotes... much less if the poster has been reported.

Petty or not, the point remains that if ST13 had exercised more discretion before hitting "submit reply", none of this would ever have happened.

[patteeu]

What i dont understand is why people think it was ok for him to post that. Would it have been ok if he posted something racist? Or hate speech? What about molesting children? What exactly is over the top? People keep saying that the snitch should have handled it like an adult. But being an adult is being accountable for what you type on a forum or blog. Its too bad they guy is losing his job but i cant feel sorry for someone was naive enough to post something like that.

If it was such a respectable thing to do to turn ST13 in, why hasn't anyone taken credit for doing it? Leaving aside the miniscule chance that a lurker did it, it appears that the poster responsible for turning Tensi in isn't very proud of his/her actions.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I have no clue who posted those quotes... much less if the poster has been reported.

Petty or not, the point remains that if ST13 had exercised more discretion before hitting "submit reply", none of this would ever have happened.

With petty people around, something like this was bound to happen. Whether it was Tensi or someone else.

[Tredici]

While a politically-incorrect post could have consequences for "any person", they are likely to have more serious consequences for a poster who, in real life, is in a position of authority. ST13 knew... or should have known... that he was taking a big risk when he made those posts.

I'm not advocating that "we" should police anyone's posts... rather that ST13 (hindsight being 20/20) should have "self-policed" his posts and not left his own butt hanging out with a "kick me" sign on it.

On the other hand if you see a person with a Kick Me sign on his butt do you feel obligated to run over and kick it?

How many wrongs do make a right?

I've tried posting in a civil manner on different topics in this forum. Fact is, the regulars in here don't like it and inevitably someone takes exception and resorts to rudeness and goes into total attack mode. This particular forum is run more like an exclusive club.

Look at the population of the people who sign on to the Mane every day and look at how many post in this forum regularly. At some point it shouldn't be that hard to figure out why.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So did you do it, Beerslug? I wouldn't have guessed it would be you even after seeing the post where you came up with the idea, but the lack of a denial in this thread makes it look like I'm wrong.Hey look who's back :) I've already said I'm not saying either way but I don't deny one bit I threw it out there (parodied Tensi's post) for a reason. And I like the fact that certain people believe I did.

So where have you been, everything OK in your life?

[baja]

That's true of any public forum... but none are truly secure. Posting too much personal information on any publicly accessible internet forum is very, very risky, a fact of which most law enforcement officers are acutely aware. When one is in a profession that requires maintaining maximum credibility (as ST13 apparently was), making politically-incorrect statements, even in jest, is incredibly unwise. Even if no actual crime... or malfeasance... is committed, such a remark could (probably would) violate the policies and procedures of one's employer, who most likely won't be amused by the joke.

<b>The bottom line is this... apparently ST13 wasn't lying about being a law enforcement officer. So... the question is, was he joking in some of the over-the-top posts or was he really a badge-heavy rogue cop who selectively enforced the law? If it was choice "B", then he really needs to be in another profession, imho. If it was choice "A", making those posts was a very unwise, foolhardy decision on his part.</b>


Good post Blue this is about it in a nutshell except we have no real way of knowing if Steve is a real cop and has been dismissed except the email of the same guy that may be a figment of someone's imagination. Folks here are way too ready to accept this email as gospel.

[Northman]

If it was such a respectable thing to do to turn ST13 in, why hasn't anyone taken credit for doing it? Leaving aside the miniscule chance that a lurker did it, it appears that the poster responsible for turning Tensi in isn't very proud of his/her actions.



Or....... they could be worried about repercussions. Whoever did it may not want to be hassled or maybe even banned. Not saying TJ would do that but who knows who else is lurking on the site. When it comes to authority figures they are a close knit and who knows what could happen to someone who crosses one of their own.

[Northman]

On the other hand if you see a person with a Kick Me sign on his butt do you feel obligated to run over and kick it?

How many wrongs do make a right?

I've tried posting in a civil manner on different topics in this forum. Fact is, the regulars in here don't like it and inevitably someone takes exception and resorts to rudeness and goes into total attack mode. This particular forum is run more like an exclusive club.

Look at the population of the people who sign on to the Mane every day and look at how many post in this forum regularly. At some point it shouldn't be that hard to figure out why.



Again, if Steve didnt broadcast that he was a officer of the law no one would have thought twice about it. And because this forum isnt private, ANYONE could have seen that and turned him in. People visit this site a lot and dont post so who knows who saw it and reported it.

[Meck77]

I want to let all of my fellow Broncomaniacs know, I love all of you and I would never do anything to hurt any of you.

Oh go **** yourself LB...This is the war forum. lol jk dude

[Blueflame]

On the other hand if you see a person with a Kick Me sign on his butt do you feel obligated to run over and kick it?

How many wrongs do make a right?

I've tried posting in a civil manner on different topics in this forum. Fact is, the regulars in here don't like it and inevitably someone takes exception and resorts to rudeness and goes into total attack mode. This particular forum is run more like an exclusive club.

Look at the population of the people who sign on to the Mane every day and look at how many post in this forum regularly. At some point it shouldn't be that hard to figure out why.

Hmmm... that depends. Is there a Raiders or Chefs jersey hanging from the shoulders above that butt with the "kick me" sign? If so, then yeah, I'd probably feel morally obligated to run over and kick it. This is particularly true if said butt belongs to Bobo....

All kidding aside, I realize this forum can get rough-and-tumble and downright hostile at times, so it probably isn't everyone's cup of tea. It seems to me that the question of whether or not to keep the WRP forum was put to a vote a while back and the consensus was that the OM community wanted to keep it. At some point it just may become more of a headache than TJ cares to deal with, though... and it's possible that we've reached that "tipping point".

[Rascal]

I won't be posting in this forum ever again and I'm strongly considering not posting on the mane either.

To think that there is at least one member here who would do that is not something I want to be around.

[Northman]

I won't be posting in this forum ever again and I'm strongly considering not posting on the mane either.

To think that there is at least one member here who would do that is not something I want to be around.



Well, if i dont see ya again have a good life and take care Rascal. :thumbs: