Orange Mane / SteveTensi13 / Associated Press

[Blueflame]

I won't be posting in this forum ever again and I'm strongly considering not posting on the mane either.

To think that there is at least one member here who would do that is not something I want to be around.

It could have been anyone... not necessarily a member, Rascal. But you have to do what you have to do... if you do decide to leave, a lot of us here would miss you.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I won't be posting in this forum ever again and I'm strongly considering not posting on the mane either.

To think that there is at least one member here who would do that is not something I want to be around.

Understand Rascal. too bad one a-hole has to spoil it for everyone. Good luck if we don't see you. You are one of the best

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I won't be posting in this forum ever again and I'm strongly considering not posting on the mane either.
To think that there is at least one member here who would do that is not something I want to be around.
You get people excited saying this kind of sh*t all the time but unfortunately, you never carry out your threats.

[-Slap-]

Frankly taken by themself steve's statements made here would hardly be grounds for dismissal of an 18 year veteran if he was in good standing.


With the local media bringing heat on the department?

I could easily see a veteran patrolman with a spotless record going down under those circumstances.

[GonzoLays]

I want to let all of my fellow Broncomaniacs know, I love all of you and I would never do anything to hurt any of you.

Yea, right. You once sent me a rep saying, "if I saw you getting beat down by a bunch of Raider fans, I would just walk away."

That's love. :peace:

[baja]

With the local media bringing heat on the department?

I could easily see a veteran patrolman with a spotless record going down under those circumstances.

While i readily admit I have very little experience as to what his superiors would do in this situation I find it very hard to believe a guy that they have worked with, likely in many a tight spot, over 18 years would give up on the brother in their fraternity of law enforcement if he has an otherwise good record.

If you are correct than there is a bleak future for the United States. If this is a good cop and he goes down for this act alone than this country will consume itself with it's political correctness. Maybe this is how Empires fall?

[Pezman]

Yea, right. You once sent me a rep saying, "if I saw you getting beat down by a bunch of Raider fans, I would just walk away."

That's love. :peace:

Brutal! The least he could do would be to try and throw in some Grandma Al smack or something ;D

[GonzoLays]

I won't be posting in this forum ever again and I'm strongly considering not posting on the mane either.

To think that there is at least one member here who would do that is not something I want to be around.

Well, number one, you just posted in this forum.

And number two, please leave. All this drama queen "I'm strongly considering not posting on the mane either" is a bunch of BS. If this incident effected you so much, you wouldn't be posting here right now.

Grow some nads and leave. I would actually respect you more for it. If I see you posting here again, then I know you are one pansy ass poster.

Look on the bright side, since you are 6'4", 275 pounds and run the forty in 4.5, you can spend all your free time trying to get in the NFL. With your speed, you could possibly be a first round draft pick!!

[-Slap-]

While i readily admit I have very little experience as to what his superiors would do in this situation I find it very hard to believe a guy that they have worked with, likely in many a tight spot, over 18 years would give up on the brother in their fraternity of law enforcement if he has an otherwise good record.

If you are correct than there is a bleak future for the United States. If this is a good cop and he goes down for this act alone than this country will consume itself with it's political correctness. Maybe this is how Empires fall?

The media ruins people all the time. Without remorse. Maybe a retraction on page 12A.

Anybody remember Richard Jewell?

Jewell: "My name is ruined forever" (http://www.cnn.com/US/9701/08/jewell.lkl/index.html)

[-Slap-]

Yea, right. You once sent me a rep saying, "if I saw you getting beat down by a bunch of Raider fans, I would just walk away."

That's love. :peace:

I would sell popcorn.

:D

[Tredici]

[QUOTE=Anubis;1378050]Again, if Steve didnt broadcast that he was a officer of the law no one would have thought twice about it. And because this forum isnt private, ANYONE could have seen that and turned him in. People visit this site a lot and dont post so who knows who saw it and reported it.[/QUOTE

That's just it. It wasn't reported. If it was someone who actually saw some misbehavior and reported it, they have my support. But someone, anyone, reading posts in a forum and then tipping off a newspaper isn't anyone to applaud either.

Once this was all over the press with everyone free to supply their own context it wouldn't just be the one poster taking the heat. That whole police department is being scrutinized and public pressure being brought to bear.

Over what? Someone pulling the tail of some sensitive Democrat?

I bet every one in here has typed in a post they wouldn't want sent to their boss, their spouse, their parents, etc. So much for the illusion of community.

[Northman]

[QUOTE=Anubis;1378050]Again, if Steve didnt broadcast that he was a officer of the law no one would have thought twice about it. And because this forum isnt private, ANYONE could have seen that and turned him in. People visit this site a lot and dont post so who knows who saw it and reported it.[/QUOTE

That's just it. It wasn't reported. If it was someone who actually saw some misbehavior and reported it, they have my support. But someone, anyone, reading posts in a forum and then tipping off a newspaper isn't anyone to applaud either.

Once this was all over the press with everyone free to supply their own context it wouldn't just be the one poster taking the heat. That whole police department is being scrutinized and public pressure being brought to bear.

Over what? Someone pulling the tail of some sensitive Democrat?

I bet every one in here has typed in a post they wouldn't want sent to their boss, their spouse, their parents, etc. So much for the illusion of community.



And again i ask you, what if Tensi Pm'd someone a threat? What if it goes deeper than whats on public view? We can only speculate but no one knows what was said behind closed doors. If Tensi posted those comments and someone engaged him via Pm or neg rep who knows what was said there. I find it odd that Steve isnt at least making a post of a apology to anyone who was offended by those comments. I would take a apology as Steve trying to clear his name. Yet, no word.

[baja]

The media ruins people all the time. Without remorse. Maybe a retraction on page 12A.

Anybody remember Richard Jewell?

Jewell: "My name is ruined forever" (http://www.cnn.com/US/9701/08/jewell.lkl/index.html)

ya the media sure no arguement there. I'm talking about the guys he has worked with these last 18 years, no way they throw him under the bus for this bull shiit story unless it has some truth to it.

No way a good cop gets railroaded by this weak shiit by itself. If he really got canned where is the story, they (media) would be all over this story and you know it.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

ya the media sure no arguement there. I'm talking about the guys he has worked with these last 18 years, no way they throw him under the bus for this bull shiit story unless it has some truth to it.

No way a good cop gets railroaded by this weak shiit by itself. If he really got canned where is the story, they (media) would be all over this story and you know it.

It happens all of the time so that someone can save face - In public jobs and in private industry.

[baja]

It happens all of the time so that someone can save face - In public jobs and in private industry.

I haven't lived in the United States for a long time now so it is possible I am naive about this but I have a hell of a hard time believing that a cop in the brotherhood of cops would be sacrificed for this message board incident, if it is true then God help the USA.

[ZachKC]

That's just it. It wasn't reported. If it was someone who actually saw some misbehavior and reported it, they have my support. But someone, anyone, reading posts in a forum and then tipping off a newspaper isn't anyone to applaud either.

Once this was all over the press with everyone free to supply their own context it wouldn't just be the one poster taking the heat. That whole police department is being scrutinized and public pressure being brought to bear.

Over what? Someone pulling the tail of some sensitive Democrat?

I bet every one in here has typed in a post they wouldn't want sent to their boss, their spouse, their parents, etc. So much for the illusion of community.
I didn't know the Mane was so "anti personal responsibility"

[Atlas]

Can a bigot, who says he's a police officer, sue a website for posting his comments? Are you really that dense?

You keep saying bigot, all I ever heard him say bad was about Mexicans. Since he is hispanic can he be a bigot? Maybe he is just honest? Wow, there is an idea.

[Atlas]

[QUOTE=Anubis;1378050]

I bet every one in here has typed in a post they wouldn't want sent to their boss, their spouse, their parents, etc. So much for the illusion of community.

Oh yeah...... like the time I said abortion she be legal up until two years after birth.

That could get me in trouble. Hilarious!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I haven't lived in the United States for a long time now so it is possible I am naive about this but I have a hell of a hard time believing that a cop in the brotherhood of cops would be sacrificed for this message board incident, if it is true then God help the USA.

I have 80+ employees, foretunately I seldom have to fire one, but at least once a month I need to move/hide one because of something they have said or something that has been misinterpeted by a client.

Think about politics. No matter how incompetent an elected official is, they will have some honest, competent people working for them that take the fall when an issue arises.

Scapegoats are everyplace.

[Spider]

what a bunch of candy asses . he flamed me , he hurt my feelings , wha whaa whaaaaaaa ..... Freaking grow a pair or quit being stupid .........
as fopr Steve , cry all you want about trust , and brotherhood , Simple fact is Steve posted that **** on his own , joking or not he should know better , Het try this on for sizew , get pulled over for speeding , say I was`just trying to show the guy in the other car he isnt so fast , see how fast you get a ticket .......

[Spider]

poor ****ing steve huh ? so why dont we all post racial shít ....according to some of you numb nutted dip****s , it is ok there is a unwritten rule about trust .......... goofy bastards

[Atlas]

as fopr Steve , cry all you want about trust , and brotherhood , Simple fact is Steve posted that **** on his own

Yep and somebody here anonomously reported it on their own.

[BroncoBuff]

Is this forum even worth it anymore?

Don't even start with that again.

[ZachKC]

Yep and somebody here anonomously reported it on their own.
Eh, the person who reported it prob believed that what Steve was saying had truth to it in real life. If I believed some of the things he said had truth do them in real life then it prob wouldn't be a bad idea to that anonymously.

Its not like another user can single handedly kill someone's career...

It was brought to people's attention...they obviously felt in was, at the very least very inappropriate

[gunns]

It's too bad it came to this for ST13... a law enforcement officer should have known better than to post such stuff on a public forum, though... even if it's tongue-in-cheek or just messing around.

Hopefully another job offer is just around the corner for him. Best wishes to him.


What? You mean some random poster on the internet claims to be someone or something they're not?? :P

I have to agree. And I hate to see anyone lose their job. But he didn't lose it because someone revealed what he was doing, it was because of what he was doing. Like I tell my kids, if you're going to be embarrassed by what you do, don't do it. Don't ever rationalize that you won't get caught because in the end, if you do, you have no one to blame but yourself.

[Crushaholic]

Saying you're going to do something and actually DOING it are two different things. IMO, he was letting off some steam from the election and shouldn't have come CLOSE to losing his job over this...

[gunns]

Saying you're going to do something and actually DOING it are two different things. IMO, he was letting off some steam from the election and shouldn't have come CLOSE to losing his job over this...

Well I'm wondering about that. I work with police officers and brought this up to them. They said that if he was saying things he shouldn't and using the computer while on duty it would probably be disciplinary action and would go on his record but he wouldn't be fired if they had no evidence he had actually done anything he said. Makes me wonder why he's stepping down, were there incidents in the past?

[Spider]

Well I'm wondering about that. I work with police officers and brought this up to them. They said that if he was saying things he shouldn't and using the computer while on duty it would probably be disciplinary action and would go on his record but he wouldn't be fired if they had no evidence he had actually done anything he said. Makes me wonder why he's stepping down, were there incidents in the past?

I am in Utah now ,Coalville watching the snow come down ......... dont have to be in SLC untill 2 :pm tommorrow .............if Parselys isnt cleared up , I will back track to 85 over to 15 and down that way , I probably should have pushed on but i am empty didnt want to risk it

[gunns]

I am in Utah now ,Coalville watching the snow come down ......... dont have to be in SLC untill 2 :pm tommorrow .............if Parselys isnt cleared up , I will back track to 85 over to 15 and down that way , I probably should have pushed on but i am empty didnt want to risk it


Parley's is nasty when it snows. Good you didn't risk it. Even though they are probably working on clearing it it can still be treacherous. It's suppose to snow till tomorrow afternoon. Be careful when you do come down.

[Northman]

Saying you're going to do something and actually DOING it are two different things. IMO, he was letting off some steam from the election and shouldn't have come CLOSE to losing his job over this...


But thats your interpretation though Crush. Someone else may have thought differently and since Steve hasnt been on here to explain it one way or another than we really dont know.

[elsid13]

the real question was he using his offical work system to post. That is going to be the real issue, everything else is can be written off as him being an idiot, as long as he didn't actually act on what he was saying.

[Northman]

the real question was he using his offical work system to post. That is going to be the real issue, everything else is can be written off as him being an idiot, as long as he didn't actually act on what he was saying.


Thats very true too.

[Orange_Beard]

There is no question that he is an idiot.

[Taco John]

This has apparently been a hot topic on radio this morning in the Denver news. Does anyone have Dateline TIVOed from this week? Someone told me that they thought they heard that it was on there too...

[Rohirrim]

Oh crap! The last thing you want is a media feeding frenzy. The hyenas of the press don't care what they eat - as long as it's fresh.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

This has apparently been a hot topic on radio this morning in the Denver news. Does anyone have Dateline TIVOed from this week? Someone told me that they thought they heard that it was on there too...
What stations?

[patteeu]

Hey look who's back :) I've already said I'm not saying either way but I don't deny one bit I threw it out there (parodied Tensi's post) for a reason. And I like the fact that certain people believe I did.

So where have you been, everything OK in your life?

Everything's been great, except for the recent election of course. It saddens me to see that you are prime suspect #1 in the case of the secret snitch. I'd rather have thought it was some dope like LABF.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Everything's been great, except for the recent election of course. It saddens me to see that you are prime suspect #1 in the case of the secret snitch. I'd rather have thought it was some dope like LABF.
Don't let it bring you down too much, I kinda like being labeled a "snitch" by the "above all that crowd" here when it comes to questioning the reasoning for having ignorant, stupid and possibly corrupt police patrolling the nation's state highways.

[bendog]

the real question was he using his offical work system to post. That is going to be the real issue, everything else is can be written off as him being an idiot, as long as he didn't actually act on what he was saying.

But you could say that of meeeeee toooooooo.

I don't care if the guy's an idiot. If he used his power to screw some poor bastard that's one thing, but whoever did this is a real bastard in that it's frugging Christmas and the idiot may have a family. It just sucks. Very uncool.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

But you could say that of meeeeee toooooooo.

I don't care if the guy's an idiot. If he used his power to screw some poor bastard that's one thing, but whoever did this is a real bastard in that it's frugging Christmas and the idiot may have a family. It just sucks. Very uncool.
I doubt an idiot like Tensi is married and has a family. The only "very uncool" thing that I can see is somehow this bigot and racist idiot is patrolling state highways as police officer.

[bendog]

I doubt an idiot like Tensi is married and has a family. The only "very uncool" thing that I can see is somehow this bigot and racist idiot is patrolling state highways as police officer.

But it's impossible to say he wasn't a parody, or even a cop doing a Mad Max personna. I used to kid another poster who is a cop about tasering faider fans. Actually I think I asked if I could borrow his taser and taser EyePatch to death. It'd be uncool if my employer found that out. Damn, I just got an email. this is making ME paranoid, and I'M ALREADY PARANOID

[Bronco_Beerslug]

But it's impossible to say he wasn't a parody, or even a cop doing a Mad Max personna. I used to kid another poster who is a cop about tasering faider fans. Actually I think I asked if I could borrow his taser and taser EyePatch to death. It'd be uncool if my employer found that out. Damn, I just got an email. this is making ME paranoid, and I'M ALREADY PARANOID
Well, according to Buff, Tensi emailed him and said he was resigning so it looks like he is. And it's not something Tensi just started doing here lately. I did some keyword searches today and found hundreds of posts over the years where this "police officer" brags of his racism and bigotry.

[TailgateNut]

Tensi made it very clear he could and would use his position to damge the lives of people who did nothing more than have different views than his, or their skin color was different, or the were muslim, or...........
I wouldn't want to be subjected to a police officer who uses his biased thoughts to influence investigations, just because he can! A bad cop is also a criminal. In fact, maybe worse because he holds a position of trust. I personally applaud the person who took the time to make someone aware of this loose cannon!

[Spider]

Parley's is nasty when it snows. Good you didn't risk it. Even though they are probably working on clearing it it can still be treacherous. It's suppose to snow till tomorrow afternoon. Be careful when you do come down.

made it in , slick as hell this morning ......good thing I love my job ;D

[bendog]

Tensi made it very clear he could and would use his position to damge the lives of people who did nothing more than have different views than his, or their skin color was different, or the were muslim, or...........
I wouldn't want to be subjected to a police officer who uses his biased thoughts to influence investigations, just because he can! A bad cop is also a criminal. In fact, maybe worse because he holds a position of trust. I personally applaud the person who took the time to make someone aware of this loose cannon!

There's nothing there I disagree with, of course. However, I question how big the NM state police organization is. Sure, there are places where it's so corrupt and huge it's out of control - LA. But if Tensi was truly acting on corrupt moves, I'd think it obvious to his fellows.

Here in Jackson MS we had corruption in the narc and homcide detectives branches. The federal prosecutor cleaned them out w/o too much trouble. However the irony has been that the cops now doing time were the ONLY COMPETENT ONES. We're left with honest, but incompetent guys. LOL

I have no way of knowing whether tensi was a home with the simi valley dudes, or whether he was joking around. I never took him very seriously, because from my experience, had he pulled that ****, he'd have been left bleeding out on some dark lonely NM highway w/o backup.

It sucked to out him before Christmas to boot. My wife's co-worker just got fired yesterday. He prolly deserved it, but it still sucks. they got a kid and it's Christmas for God's sake. Some **** you just don't do. My chuch fired our priest two years ago right after the holidays. He had one kid left in high school with a semester to go. I told two people on the vestry it sucked, and was not professionally handled.

Now if anyone had actual knowledge Tensi was getting bj's for speeding fines or something ..... different story.

[TailgateNut]

http://www.abqjournal.com/santafe/516178north_news11-29-06.html

Here's a story regarding the resignation.

[bendog]

http://www.abqjournal.com/santafe/516178north_news11-29-06.html

Here's a story regarding the resignation.

It's just showing the subscription page. I googled but didn't see anything. I was surprised by that.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

http://www.abqjournal.com/santafe/516178north_news11-29-06.html

Here's a story regarding the resignation.
I'm not getting to the link, did the free pass thing but it says I followed an outdated link?

[baja]

link not successful.

[TailgateNut]

http://www.abqjournal.com/santafe/516178north_news11-29-06.htm

That's all I could find!

[alkemical]

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[Bronco_Beerslug]

http://www.abqjournal.com/santafe/516178north_news11-29-06.htm

That's all I could find!
Here it is. He quit before being investigated.

---------------------------------------------------
Wednesday, November 29, 2006
Inquiry Target Quits State Police

By Kate Willson
Journal Northern Bureau
A State Police officer from Española has resigned after he became the focus of an investigation of inflammatory comments about Muslims, Hispanics and undocumented immigrants posted on a Web site for Denver Broncos fans.
Officer Joe Griego resigned Tuesday evening, according to Department of Public Safety spokesman Peter Olson.
Earlier in the day, Griego had been reassigned to administrative duties while the DPS investigated posts on The Orange Mane Web site.

A Web poster going by the name of SteveTensi13— after 1960s Broncos quarterback Steve Tensi— and claiming to be a State Police officer has posted 1,770 messages since joining the "Orange Mane" site in 2003.
SteveTensi13 gives his age and birth date, says he's Hispanic and provides other personal details on the Web site. He's often made reference to police work, including a description of using a Taser on suspects.
"I like to call it 'ride the lightning,' '' he wrote. "50,000 volts of persuasion."

The Web poster says he lives in Española, "Armpit of the Southwest," and describes himself as a "conservative, born-again Christian, gun-toting, homophobic, meat eating, 4X4 driving all American."
The information about SteveTensi13 on the Web site is close to Griego's personal data, Olson said.
Olson said Griego is a longtime State Police officer, but he couldn't provide details Tuesday night about Griego's tenure with the agency.

The Journal interviewed Griego in April 2005 about the death of a respected female officer who had died of cancer. Griego had been her training officer. In 2001, he arrested a fellow State Police officer who had backed his patrol car into another car while intoxicated and with an empty vodka bottle under the patrol unit's driver's seat.
Olson said the DPS found out about the postings on The Orange Mane site last week after someone sent one of SteveTensi13's commentaries to a newspaper.

Most of SteveTensi13's postings are about the Broncos and football. But during political discussions on the site, he refers to Arabs as "diaper heads" who should be shot and said that, while he's Hispanic, all countries run by Hispanics are "a complete mess."
In another posting, he wrote, "I always considered Palestinians sort of like roaches, shine the light on them and they scatter."

On immigrants, he wrote, "If you are here illegally, you have no rights. I believe it's called the AMERICAN Bill of Rights!"
The day after the Nov. 7 election, SteveTensi13 also suggested that he would stop the next vehicle with a pro-Democrat bumper sticker he saw and plant drugs in the car.
Olson said Tuesday that State Police employees "are held to a very high standard of conduct, and we take this responsibility seriously."

"A threat of planting evidence, acting against a particular group of people or other inappropriate, inflammatory and derogatory comments are unacceptable and will not be tolerated," Olson said.

[bendog]

I got it via the free trial, and imo it still sucks.

[Rohirrim]

The Journal interviewed Griego in April 2005 about the death of a respected female officer who had died of cancer. Griego had been her training officer. In 2001, he arrested a fellow State Police officer who had backed his patrol car into another car while intoxicated and with an empty vodka bottle under the patrol unit's driver's seat.

While his postings didn't reveal it, sounds like it's just possible that this guy was a good cop. Maybe he just used the Mane to vent? I guess we'll never know. I sure hope this guy doesn't lose his pension over this. It feels like the sense of community has been violated.

[TailgateNut]

While his postings didn't reveal it, sounds like it's just possible that this guy was a good cop. Maybe he just used the Mane to vent? I guess we'll never know. I sure hope this guy doesn't lose his pension over this. It feels like the sense of community has been violated.

Sorta, kinda agree with you. The question remains as to why he resigned over some BS postings. I know I will watch what I say. You just might piss off the wrong person. Maybe it's time to move on!

[bendog]

They let him resign, so I'd think he'd get to keep his years in the pension program, but he can kiss goodbye to getting more years in, and most likely the best offer he has now is Wackenhut. Merry Christmas, Joe.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

While his postings didn't reveal it, sounds like it's just possible that this guy was a good cop. Maybe he just used the Mane to vent? I guess we'll never know. I sure hope this guy doesn't lose his pension over this. It feels like the sense of community has been violated.
Uh, yeah, venting. A police officer suggesting people should be shot by race and or political affiliation among many other statements of bigotry, racism and hatred.

He has BIG problems and has no business patrolling state highways as a police officer. In no way could he be trusted to enforce laws in a fair and balanced manor.

[Rohirrim]

I just hope whoever turned him in wrote him a PM first and at least told him, "I'm taking your posts seriously and intend to do something about it unless you tell me it's all BS." Damn! This really gets me down. And I didn't even like the guy. How could a bunch of bs on a message board ruin someone's life?

[patteeu]

Uh, yeah, venting. A police officer suggesting people should be shot by race and or political affiliation among many other statements of bigotry, racism and hatred.

He has BIG problems and has no business patrolling state highways as a police officer. In no way could he be trusted to enforce laws in a fair and balanced manor.

I suspect, based on the cops I've known, that if we fired every cop who crossed those lines in terms of what they say or write when they think they are among friends, we'd live in a far more dangerous, less well policed world.

[Hotrod]

While his postings didn't reveal it, sounds like it's just possible that this guy was a good cop. Maybe he just used the Mane to vent? I guess we'll never know. I sure hope this guy doesn't lose his pension over this. It feels like the sense of community has been violated.

Thats exactly what has happened. You wont find me voicing my personal opinons in this forum again. I would like to think the person who did this atleast felt at the time they were doing the "right" or "moral" thing but surely they understand they have imploded someones life (very possible many peoples) over a very real possiblity it was a joke/blowing off steam kind of thing.

Happy Holidays to the low life who was tuff enough to turn him in yet chicken**** enough to hide from his/her own actions.

Oh **** I just gave another personal opinon.........Im out for real.

[Northman]

If people consider that kind of behavior " venting " than we have a real problem here at the mane. There is nothing whatsoever funny about any of what he said. Its worse than i initially even thought. He actually owes this board an apology for even making those remarks.

[Pezman]

I'm pretty saddened that it happened this way. A man's livelyhood has been taken away because of some bull**** scribblings on a football forum. I sincerely hope he never did anything more than vent here by the way.

Might as well flush this entire part of the forum. Obviously somebody has taken it too far and it has cost a man his future. Pretty sickening day for the Mane IMO regardless of what he posted in here.

[patteeu]

If people consider that kind of behavior " venting " than we have a real problem here at the mane. There is nothing whatsoever funny about any of what he said. Its worse than i initially even thought. He actually owes this board an apology for even making those remarks.

You do realize that venting is not another word for comedy, don't you?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I'm pretty saddened that it happened this way. A man's livelyhood has been taken away because of some scribblings on a football forum. I sincerely hope he never did anything more than vent here by the way.

Might as well flush this entire part of the forum. Obviously somebody has taken it too far and it has cost a man his future. Pretty sickening day for the Mane IMO regardless of what he posted in here.
Amazing, people calling his remarks "venting"!! More amazing is people willing not to hold this disturbed individual responsible for his own comments and actions as a "police officer" because he's a Bronco fan!!!

[Crushaholic]

If people consider that kind of behavior " venting " than we have a real problem here at the mane. There is nothing whatsoever funny about any of what he said. Its worse than i initially even thought. He actually owes this board an apology for even making those remarks.

I've put people on ignore for making outrageous statements before. It's not that big of a deal. If it is a registered poster on this forum, why couldn't the anonymous snitch do the same?

[Northman]

You do realize that venting is not another word for comedy, don't you?


I dont want to read some rants by a racist on this board. Jokingly or not.

[Northman]

I've put people on ignore for making outrageous statements before. It's not that big of a deal. If it is a registered poster on this forum, why couldn't the anonymous snitch do the same?



He probably could of but maybe by the time he read what Tensi had wrote it was too late. I could easily understand why someone would turn him in if they felt uncomfortable with someone like that on the forum. Especially making those kinds of statements. Im even more offended that some people are defending a racist.

[smalltowngrll]

I've always lived by the motto that you can never take back anything that you say. You can apologize for it, you can truly be sorry for it, but you can never take it back! Flaming threats, however meaningful they were meant, or not meaningful at all, can ALWAYS be used against you. The one thing that never dies are the things you say...or in other words, the things you write! What one person takes as a joke, another person may take seriously! I guess if a person takes responsiblity for what comes out of their mouth (or in this case, keyboard) we wouldn't have things like this happening!!

[Pezman]

You know Slug, I dont think his statements here were anything less than disgusting and I couldnt agree less with what he posted here. But the fact of the matter is, we see a ton of freeform propoganda posted on this war forum from all walks of life. I agree he was out of line with what he said, but to translate that into his real life? Its not like the guy posted from his workplace (as far as I can tell).

I am just sickened by the method the guy is losing his job. We are a ****ing internet board, not some racist newsletter or something like that. This forum is freeform for a reason. All I know is, at the end of the day, we are not judged by our actions on an obscure part of this message board, but what we do in our real lives.

Its time to shut down this forum IMO. Be done with it. We obviously cant get any lower than we have here today.

By the way, that is what the REPORT a bad post is for people. If you dont like what is posted here, send a note to the moderator community first.

[patteeu]

He probably could of but maybe by the time he read what Tensi had wrote it was too late. I could easily understand why someone would turn him in if they felt uncomfortable with someone like that on the forum. Especially making those kinds of statements. Im even more offended that some people are defending a racist.

That's because deep down inside, you're a snitch too. Racism is pretty bad, but if I had to choose between an internet racist and a real life snitch, give me the racist. Words may sting if you have thin skin, but real life snitches screw with people's real lives.

[Rohirrim]

Uh, yeah, venting. A police officer suggesting people should be shot by race and or political affiliation among many other statements of bigotry, racism and hatred.

He has BIG problems and has no business patrolling state highways as a police officer. In no way could he be trusted to enforce laws in a fair and balanced manor.

You sound pretty sure of yourself. I have no knowledge that his rants crossed into action. I once lived with a woman who was a spanish interpreter for the court. We used to have sheriffs and cops over for BBQs and whatnot every once in a while. The sheriffs were mellower than the L.A. cops, but still, they all have a real different way of expressing themselves. Definitely not PC. But most of them believe deeply in upholding the law. So, regardless of what they might say, they would not violate the law.

I know, when I got home from the Army, even my friends used to say, "Man, you've got to cool the cussing." I was saying "fk" just about every other word. It's kind of the clannishness of being in the army. I'm guessing the police force has the same kind of cultural language. I know those cops I knew used some of the ugliest racial language you ever heard, between each other, and they were a mix of races - white, black, hispanic and oriental. Maybe Tensi had been doing it for so long he no longer knew where the line was? I didn't appreciate it and put him on ignore. I never investigated his background or anything. Maybe you did. I didn't have enough info to be his judge. Maybe you did.

[bendog]

Venting, schmenting. The fact is that in this Country we're supposed to have a right to say ugly crap that is obnoxious, so long as it doesn't likely hurt anyone. That is, after all, what the guys in IRaq are supposedly doing ... protecting "our freedoms."

One one thread you have people saying "sure, just ask me for ID without any reason to suspect me of anything while I'm sitting here minding my own biz ... or better yet, taser me after I'm complying with being told to leave."

On this thread it's ok to ruin a guys career for what he supposedly ananomously posted without any actual knowledge the fool did any of the stupid crap he posted about. And, in fact, from the article where it said he was being put on leave just for suggesting evidence was planted, it sure looks like the NM state cops were policing themselves ok. (And yes I know personally that cops set up known bad actors all the time, and the courts do a wink and a nod, but it also becomes apparant when the set ups involve not known bad actors. The real problem is when the cops take money from the bad actors, which sure wasn't something Tensi was 'bragging on.)

The FUnny thing, if anything's funny about this, is that those posters whose political leanings are a bit left of center AGREEING with losing freedoms, while those of us more of the rabid right wing frothing gun owning libbie hating kill a commie for Christ view are sayign WTF?

[Northman]

I've always lived by the motto that you can never take back anything that you say. You can apologize for it, you can truly be sorry for it, but you can never take it back! Flaming threats, however meaningful they were meant, or not meaningful at all, can ALWAYS be used against you. The one thing that never dies are the things you say...or in other words, the things you write! What one person takes as a joke, another person may take seriously! I guess if a person takes responsiblity for what comes out of their mouth (or in this case, keyboard) we wouldn't have things like this happening!!



Excellent post, obviously we must have a lot of cowardly racist on this board who seem to think that poor steve got the shaft for posting that bull**** on here to begin with.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You know Slug, I dont think his statements here were anything less than disgusting and I couldnt agree less with what he posted here. But the fact of the matter is, we see a ton of freeform propoganda posted on this war forum from all walks of life. I agree he was out of line with what he said, but to translate that into his real life? Its not like the guy posted from his workplace (as far as I can tell).

I am just sickened by the method the guy is losing his job. We are a ****ing internet board, not some racist newsletter or something like that. This forum is freeform for a reason. All I know is, at the end of the day, we are not judged by our actions on an obscure part of this message board, but what we do in our real lives.

Its time to shut down this forum IMO. Be done with it. We obviously cant get any lower than we have here today.

By the way, that is what the REPORT a bad post is for people. If you dont like what is posted here, send a note to the moderator community first.
Actually, we can, by condoning threats by a government official in a position of power to affect many, many lives because he is a "part of a community" AKA a Bronco fan.

[Rohirrim]

By the way, that is what the REPORT a bad post is for people. If you dont like what is posted here, send a note to the moderator community first.

That's the key, right there.

[Northman]

That's because deep down inside, you're a snitch too. Racism is pretty bad, but if I had to choose between an internet racist and a real life snitch, give me the racist. Words may sting if you have thin skin, but real life snitches screw with people's real lives.



Racist cops screw with people's lives too. Ironic aint it?

[Rohirrim]

Excellent post, obviously we must have a lot of cowardly racist on this board who seem to think that poor steve got the shaft for posting that bull**** on here to begin with.

Please PM me. I need some water turned into wine. ;D

[Northman]

Please PM me. I need some water turned into wine. ;D



Red or white? :thanku:

[patteeu]

Racist cops screw with people's lives too. Ironic aint it?

Link to SteveTensi's real life racism?

[Blueflame]

Some of the stuff ST13 posted... it's unfortunate enough that a law enforcement officer thinks those bigoted things... it's worse when he puts his fingers on the keyboard and publicly... proudly... expresses them.

[TailgateNut]

Link?

....are you actually gullible enough to believe in the Barney Fife theory (all cops are good cops)? I want to believe that the majority (over 50%) are good
enforcers of the law, as it is written, but on the other hand no one can convince me that they are any different than the rest of the general populace. (othe than they have daily access to weapons and the power to affect your freedom with the swipe of a pen or a simple misjudgement, or planting evidence, or..........

[Northman]

Link to SteveTensi's real life racism?



Link to Steve's real life that he is not? My evidence is what he has posted on this forum. Whats yours?

[patteeu]

Some of the stuff ST13 posted... it's unfortunate enough that a law enforcement officer thinks those bigoted things... it's worse when he puts his fingers on the keyboard and publicly... proudly... expresses them.

And worse yet when someone on the internet decides to take it upon themselves to jack with a guy's real life because he expresses racist thoughts. The thought police are proud of you, Blue.

[bendog]

Some of the stuff ST13 posted... it's unfortunate enough that a law enforcement officer thinks those bigoted things... it's worse when he puts his fingers on the keyboard and publicly... proudly... expresses them.

How do you know he wasn't just jerking you around? On another board I frequent when avoiding this place, there's this obnoxious NYC racist guy who hates southerners. He's most likely a parody. And I parody him. Not the persona I mentioned with the redneck, but the anti-semite, racist he portrays all southerns as being.

Basically, the position appears to be "better to ruin a guy's career, over the holidays no less, than to take a chance he might not be parodying ... on the internet." I'm glad y'all are so sure of yourselves, but I shave every morning (realizing you don't Blue, no offense ... at least I hope you don't have to) and the eyes that look back have made a lot of moral compromises that I'm glad only I know about.

[patteeu]

Link to Steve's real life that he is not? My evidence is what he has posted on this forum. Whats yours?

This post is my evidence that you don't know jack about SteveTensi's real life.

[BroncoInferno]

I think Tensi was just jerking chains with most of his comments. I doubt he was serious much of the time.

[Requiem]

Justice has been served.

[Northman]

And worse yet when someone on the internet decides to take it upon themselves to jack with a guy's real life because he expresses racist thoughts. The thought police are proud of you, Blue.



Guess your a racist too huh Pat? Must make you proud.

[baja]

If this were you would you resign after 18 years if you had nothing to hide?

i wouldn't and not for the money i would want to clear my name.

[Northman]

This post is my evidence that you don't know jack about SteveTensi's real life.



Like you do? lmao!

[Northman]

If this were you would resigne after 18 years if you had nothing to hide?

i wouldn't and not for the money i would want to clear my name.



Ooops. I think i just heard Pat get flushed.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You sound pretty sure of yourself. I have no knowledge that his rants crossed into action. I once lived with a woman who was a spanish interpreter for the court. We used to have sheriffs and cops over for BBQs and whatnot every once in a while. The sheriffs were mellower than the L.A. cops, but still, they all have a real different way of expressing themselves. Definitely not PC. But most of them believe deeply in upholding the law. So, regardless of what they might say, they would not violate the law.

I know, when I got home from the Army, even my friends used to say, "Man, you've got to cool the cussing." I was saying "fk" just about every other word. It's kind of the clannishness of being in the army. I'm guessing the police force has the same kind of cultural language. I know those cops I knew used some of the ugliest racial language you ever heard, between each other, and they were a mix of races - white, black, hispanic and oriental. Maybe Tensi had been doing it for so long he no longer knew where the line was? I didn't appreciate it and put him on ignore. I never investigated his background or anything. Maybe you did. I didn't have enough info to be his judge. Maybe you did.
I know nothing of his background but from his words here he doesn't possess enough intelligence to carry a firearm and enforce law in this country. It's one thing to think something completely stupid, racist, etc.. it's entirely something else to wear it proudly on your sleeve.

[Blueflame]

And worse yet when someone on the internet decides to take it upon themselves to jack with a guy's real life because he expresses racist thoughts. The thought police are proud of you, Blue.

Whatever, Patteeu. While I'm realistic enough to know that bigots and racists do exist, even in positions of authority like law enforcment, that kind of bias still appalls me and you won't find me expressing approval of it or saying it's OK. But you're still free to tacitly condone it.

[patteeu]

If this were you would you resign after 18 years if you had nothing to hide?

i wouldn't and not for the money i would want to clear my name.

You don't think many deep thoughts do you, baja?

[Rohirrim]

Some of the stuff ST13 posted... it's unfortunate enough that a law enforcement officer thinks those bigoted things... it's worse when he puts his fingers on the keyboard and publicly... proudly... expresses them.

I have really mixed feelings on this one. On the one hand, I despised the guy. On the other, I believe in the sanctity of free speech, however reprehensible. I can understand your argument, Blue, that we are each responsible for the repercussions of our own posts, but the punishment of losing a career of 18 years over some posts on this board, seems like overkill to me.

[Blueflame]

How do you know he wasn't just jerking you around? On another board I frequent when avoiding this place, there's this obnoxious NYC racist guy who hates southerners. He's most likely a parody. And I parody him. Not the persona I mentioned with the redneck, but the anti-semite, racist he portrays all southerns as being.

Basically, the position appears to be "better to ruin a guy's career, over the holidays no less, than to take a chance he might not be parodying ... on the internet." I'm glad y'all are so sure of yourselves, but I shave every morning (realizing you don't Blue, no offense ... at least I hope you don't have to) and the eyes that look back have made a lot of moral compromises that I'm glad only I know about.

I'd like to believe he was just joking, Bendog. But he had to have known that posting such hateful, bigoted sentiments would violate his agency's rules. My position is that perhaps he should have thought of all possible consequences that could result from those posts before clicking on "submit reply".... or he should have been less truthful with the personal information provided either in the posts or in his profile... or simply give no publicly-accessible personal info at all.

[patteeu]

Whatever, Patteeu. While I'm realistic enough to know that bigots and racists do exist, even in positions of authority like law enforcment, that kind of bias still appalls me and you won't find me expressing approval of it or saying it's OK. But you're still free to tacitly condone it.

Funny how you have trouble distinguishing between condemning actions aimed at damaging a poster's real life and expressing approval for the things that that poster posts. There is quite a bit of middle ground between the two.

[Northman]

Funny how you have trouble distinguishing between condemning actions aimed at damaging a poster's real life and expressing approval for the things that that poster posts. There is quite a bit of middle ground between the two.


Thats because the only person responsible is Steve Tensi. He brought it on himself.

[bendog]

I'd like to believe he was just joking, Bendog. But he had to have known that posting such hateful, bigoted sentiments would violate his agency's rules. My position is that perhaps he should have thought of all possible consequences that could result from those posts before clicking on "submit reply".... or he should have been less truthful with the personal information provided either in the posts or in his profile... or simply give no publicly-accessible personal info at all.

Well, last year on SSJ's board I posted a mysogninist parody on a television show similar to survior or whatever that stupid show is called about voting people off the island. It definitely offened TJ's rules for a family site. I wrote most of it on my own time, but some at work, and at the time I had slow internet at home, sooooooo I did violate some rules, I'm sure. I was going to copy one of the tamer holiday jingles over here in a week or two, but I sure don't want to get fired and lose my retirement, and my kid's tuition.

[Blueflame]

I have really mixed feelings on this one. On the one hand, I despised the guy. On the other, I believe in the sanctity of free speech, however reprehensible. I can understand your argument, Blue, that we are each responsible for the repercussions of our own posts, but the punishment of losing a career of 18 years over some posts on this board, seems like overkill to me.

The agency he works for no doubt holds him to a higher standard than what was displayed here, Roh. IMO, he must have thought the investigation would yield something of substance and that some form of disciplinary action would be forthcoming or he would not have resigned, right?

That said, if the resignation "heads off" any "letters of reprimand" or negative job references, I'm sure he will easily find another job in law enforcement or related security (based on 18 years of experience).

[alkemical]

Karma police, arrest this man, he talks in maths
He buzzes like a fridge, hes like a detuned radio
Karma police, arrest this girl, her hitler hairdo, is making me feel ill
And we have crashed her party
This is what you get, this is what you get
This is what you get, when you mess with us

Karma police, Ive given all I can, its not enough
Ive given all I can, but were still on the payroll
This is what you get, this is what you get
This is what you get, when you mess with us
And for a minute there, I lost myself, I lost myself
And for a minute there, I lost myself, I lost myself

For a minute there, I lost myself, I lost myself

[baja]

I have really mixed feelings on this one. On the one hand, I despised the guy. On the other, I believe in the sanctity of free speech, however reprehensible. I can understand your argument, Blue, that we are each responsible for the repercussions of our own posts, but the punishment of losing a career of 18 years over some posts on this board, seems like overkill to me.

Ro it's an assumption on your part that Joe lost his career solely because of his postings. If that was the case than it truly is unfortunate.

It is just as possible that he actually did the things he claimed on the job and hurt many innocent people over the years.

The thing is we just don't know.

If he was a good cop I have to believe he would not have lost his job over this. It makes no sense to terminate a good cop over something like this.

I wonder why he agreed to resign, I would think he would insist on an investigation so that his name could be cleared.

[alkemical]

I'd rather have people talking about racism, than doing racism.

[patteeu]

I'd like to believe he was just joking, Bendog. But he had to have known that posting such hateful, bigoted sentiments would violate his agency's rules. My position is that perhaps he should have thought of all possible consequences that could result from those posts before clicking on "submit reply".... or he should have been less truthful with the personal information provided either in the posts or in his profile... or simply give no publicly-accessible personal info at all.

You have no problem with posters taking it upon themselves to interfere with other posters' real lives any time they feel justified as long as their targets have foolishly given too many hints about their identity? If I had a big problem with people who waste their employers' time by posting from the job site are you going to defend me when I start contacting people's bosses and tipping them off?

FTR, I would never do such a thing.

[bendog]

I'd rather have people talking about racism, than doing racism.

That's what I tell my wife, "let's just talk about having sex first" ... usually I can have a drink and go to sleep early that way.

[Rohirrim]

Ro it's an assumption on your part that Joe lost his career solely because of his postings. If that was the case than it truly is unfortunate.

It is just as possible that he actually did the things he claimed on the job and hurt many innocent people over the years.

The thing is we just don't know.

If he was a good cop I have to believe he would not have lost his job over this. It makes no sense to terminate a good cop over something like this.

I wonder why he agreed to resign, I would think he would insist on an investigation so that his name could be cleared.

It's my liberal failing to stand up for free speech and bend over backwards in an attempt to understand others. Ha!

[Northman]

I'd rather have people promoting racism, than doing racism.



Fixed it for ya.

[bendog]

Ro it's an assumption on your part that Joe lost his career solely because of his postings. If that was the case than it truly is unfortunate.

It is just as possible that he actually did the things he claimed on the job and hurt many innocent people over the years.

The thing is we just don't know.

If he was a good cop I have to believe he would not have lost his job over this. It makes no sense to terminate a good cop over something like this.

I wonder why he agreed to resign, I would think he would insist on an investigation so that his name could be cleared.

???? If I posted that stuff I'd be fired. I'd prolly be fired for that thing on SSJ's board last year. Are you forgetting what Wags did vis a vis JustinCase?

[Blueflame]

Funny how you have trouble distinguishing between condemning actions aimed at damaging a poster's real life and expressing approval for the things that that poster posts. There is quite a bit of middle ground between the two.

I have no trouble distinguishing cause and effect, Patteeu. No one is responsible for ST13's posts except ST13 himself. Now, I don't know and don't much care who read those posts, was offended by them, and told the media/his bosses. It's unfortunate for ST13, but when he clicked "submit reply", he should have known that his bosses might not find the public expression of those sentiments acceptable.

It appears that you're condemning "the snitch"... while I'm saying that ST13 knew his situation and his agency's rules and policies and therefore should not have made those posts in the first place. Then there would be nothing to investigate.

[TailgateNut]

Ro it's an assumption on your part that Joe lost his career solely because of his postings. If that was the case than it truly is unfortunate.

It is just as possible that he actually did the things he claimed on the job and hurt many innocent people over the years.

The thing is we just don't know.

If he was a good cop I have to believe he would not have lost his job over this. It makes no sense to terminate a good cop over something like this.

I wonder why he agreed to resign, I would think he would insist on an investigation so that his name could be cleared.

I tend to agree with your post. If I were charged with a crime, and did not commit said crime, I would not plead guilty (resign), unless there were some other/additional items which could be reavealed during an investigation which would result in a convicton (firing) upon completion of the investigation.

[Rohirrim]

The agency he works for no doubt holds him to a higher standard than what was displayed here, Roh. IMO, he must have thought the investigation would yield something of substance and that some form of disciplinary action would be forthcoming or he would not have resigned, right?

That said, if the resignation "heads off" any "letters of reprimand" or negative job references, I'm sure he will easily find another job in law enforcement or related security (based on 18 years of experience).

I guess that's logical. That was a pretty quick resignation. I actually enjoy these ethical dilemnas. Makes me confront what I believe.

[Northman]

???? If I posted that stuff I'd be fired. I'd prolly be fired for that thing on SSJ's board last year. Are you forgetting what Wags did vis a vis JustinCase?



Firstly, you dont put yourself out there to be a public servant. Secondly, you dont post like that so no you would not get fired.

[patteeu]

The agency he works for no doubt holds him to a higher standard than what was displayed here, Roh. IMO, he must have thought the investigation would yield something of substance and that some form of disciplinary action would be forthcoming or he would not have resigned, right?

That said, if the resignation "heads off" any "letters of reprimand" or negative job references, I'm sure he will easily find another job in law enforcement or related security (based on 18 years of experience).

There is no reason to think it would take anything more than the posts themselves for a police officer to be fired. The guy's resignation is no reason to think that there was any reality behind his rants. All we know for sure is that someone responded to his OrangeMane post by going offline and putting his job in jeopardy.

[alkemical]

Fixed it for ya.



Sorry anubis -

I hate racism myself as well (hmm, am i racists towards racists?) - however i understand it won't 'go away' - even sea sponges are racist.

If we move from action to thought/speak - we've accomplished alot.

[patteeu]

I tend to agree with your post. If I were charged with a crime, and did not commit said crime, I would not plead guilty (resign), unless there were some other/additional items which could be reavealed during an investigation which would result in a convicton (firing) upon completion of the investigation.

Would your answer change if you knew you could be fired on the basis of the posts alone and that if you were fired, you would have a harder time finding another job and/or lose your pension?

[TailgateNut]

You have no problem with posters taking it upon themselves to interfere with other posters' real lives any time they feel justified as long as their targets have foolishly given too many hints about their identity? If I had a big problem with people who waste their employers' time by posting from the job site are you going to defend me when I start contacting people's bosses and tipping them off?

FTR, I would never do such a thing.


How in the hell is that (posting during work hours) the same as threatening bodily harm and incarceration by planting evidence. Unbelieveable. You sure haven't increased your IQ since the verbal battles prior to the election. Who-ever tipped off the police about this issue must have believed that it was the proper thing to do.
If someone were to come here boasting of molesting children, I'd do my best to have them checked out. How 'bout you?

[alkemical]

How in the hell is that (posting during work hours) the same as threatening bodily harm and incarceration by planting evidence. Unbelieveable. You sure haven't increased your IQ since the verbal battles prior to the election. Who-ever tipped off the police about this issue must have believed that it was the proper thing to do.
If someone were to come here boasting of molesting children, I'd do my best to have them checked out. How 'bout you?



What about my comments that although non-violent - i do wish to alter the form of gov't in office? (Like how carefully i worded that).

Anyway, i'm off to go get my new khaki suit and swear my allegience to my country.

[TailgateNut]

Would your answer change if you knew you could be fired on the basis of the posts alone and that if you were fired, you would have a harder time finding another job and/or lose your pension?


If I'm right, I'm right.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
I damn sure will not stop fighting to the bitter end if I did no wrong!

[Northman]

Sorry anubis -

I hate racism myself as well (hmm, am i racists towards racists?) - however i understand it won't 'go away' - even sea sponges are racist.

If we move from action to thought/speak - we've accomplished alot.


Alright, let me ask you this then. Say one of your loved ones got murdered ( just hypothetical ). And the killer was never caught but one day i notice on a random forum some guy claiming to be the killer. And lets just say there is no real way to tell if he is joking or not. Lets also say that he is the killer but i dont know what to do because ive got a dilemma. Do i turn him in and ruin his life or do i take a chance and see if i can get this guy caught? Steve posted some things that some people will believe to be joking while others believe to be inappropriate of someone in his position. Remember, this isnt some random joe, this is a guy who serves the people and should behave accordingly.

No one forced this guy to say those things or to put it out there. Only he is responsible for putting his career and family at risk and he should be held accountable for it. If all this was a joking matter he would still have his job and all of this would have already been cleared up. Instead, he chose to resign which means there is something more to the story in my opinion. Not saying he has set someone up but maybe those racial comments hold more truth than people want to believe. And you cant have someone like that holding a job like that. Wrong is wrong no matter how you slice it.

[TailgateNut]

What about my comments that although non-violent - i do wish to alter the form of gov't in office? (Like how carefully i worded that).

Anyway, i'm off to go get my new khaki suit and swear my allegience to my country.


Come on, be realistic, and don't "write between my lines". I think there are certain thresholds to patience and acceptance.

[alkemical]

Alright, let me ask you this then. Say one of your loved ones got murdered ( just hypothetical ). And the killer was never caught but one day i notice on a random forum some guy claiming to be the killer. And lets just say there is no real way to tell if he is joking or not. Lets also say that he is the killer but i dont know what to do because ive got a dilemma. Do i turn him in and ruin his life or do i take a chance and see if i can get this guy caught? Steve posted some things that some people will believe to be joking while others believe to be inappropriate of someone in his position. Remember, this isnt some random joe, this is a guy who serves the people and should behave accordingly.

No one forced this guy to say those things or to put it out there. Only he is responsible for putting his career and family at risk and he should be held accountable for it. If all this was a joking matter he would still have his job and all of this would have already been cleared up. Instead, he chose to resign which means there is something more to the story in my opinion. Not saying he has set someone up but maybe those racial comments hold more truth than people want to believe. And you cant have someone like that holding a job like that. Wrong is wrong no matter how you slice it.



Really Anubis - i'd love to live in that world - and i'm not condoning racism one bit - but your hypothetical doesnt' fly with me -

mostly because i've said lots of dispariging comments about myself, what i've done and politiks - i'd sure hate to have the FBI at my door because of what i've said.

[bendog]

Firstly, you dont put yourself out there to be a public servant. Secondly, you dont post like that so no you would not get fired.

Pubic service or not (-: some of the stuff I posted on the dpo forum on "around the league in 60 secs" would get me fired.

[alkemical]

Come on, be realistic, and don't "write between my lines". I think there are certain thresholds to patience and acceptance.

I am, i've recieved a few emails in my time telling me that i should be watched, and a few publik comments leading to such - not from here mostly -

the only thresholds to paitence and acceptance are the rules you impose upon yourself.

[Northman]

Really Anubis - i'd love to live in that world - and i'm not condoning racism one bit - but your hypothetical doesnt' fly with me -

mostly because i've said lots of dispariging comments about myself, what i've done and politiks - i'd sure hate to have the FBI at my door because of what i've said.



Ok, let me put this another way then. If Steve really was a racist and a bad cop would you still feel sorry for him? The thing is no one here really knows if he is guilty of it or not but if he really is a bad cop would you feel the same way?

[baja]

???? If I posted that stuff I'd be fired. I'd prolly be fired for that thing on SSJ's board last year. Are you forgetting what Wags did vis a vis JustinCase?

I haven't worked in the United States for about 20 years except for an acting job about 4 years ago so it is very possible I am out of touch with how the work place fuctions these days but if ST13 can lose a career that spaned 18 years solely for what he posted here than that is down right scary.

I really need to know Dog you could actually be fired for things you have posted?

[TailgateNut]

I haven't worked in the United States for about 20 years except for an acting job about 4 years ago so it is very possible I am out of touch with how the work place fuctions these days but if ST13 can lose a career that spaned 18 years solely for what he posted here than that is down right scary.

I really need to know Dog you could actually be fired for things you have posted?


I think there are some other factors which are different when dealing with a person who is considered a public servant and in addition a person charged with upholding the law. So it's not quite "cut and dry" as it sounds.

[Blueflame]

There is no reason to think it would take anything more than the posts themselves for a police officer to be fired. The guy's resignation is no reason to think that there was any reality behind his rants. All we know for sure is that someone responded to his OrangeMane post by going offline and putting his job in jeopardy.

We don't know what the investigation would or would not have found, Patteeu. Nor do we know what, if any, disciplinary action ST13's agency would have taken. What we do know is that he must have thought there was a possibility he could be fired or why else would he have resigned?

One can "muddy the waters" by trying to point the finger in other directions, but ultimately, no one forced ST13 to post those bigoted statements... nor did anyone force him to provide enough accurate personal information to easily identify himself. No one except ST13 is responsible for the content of his posts and he should have known that the internet is not private, nor is it secure. One's IP can easily be identified by any post made on any public messageboard. ST13... and no one else... put his job in jeopardy.

[Traveler]

We don't know what the investigation would or would not have found, Patteeu. Nor do we know what, if any, disciplinary action ST13's agency would have taken. What we do know is that he must have thought there was a possibility he could be fired or why else would he have resigned?

One can "muddy the waters" by trying to point the finger in other directions, but ultimately, no one forced ST13 to post those bigoted statements... nor did anyone force him to provide enough accurate personal information to easily identify himself. No one except ST13 is responsible for the content of his posts and he should have known that the internet is not private, nor is it secure. One's IP can easily be identified by any post made on any public messageboard. ST13... and no one else... put his job in jeopardy.

HERE ENDETH THE LESSON!

[Blueflame]

Would your answer change if you knew you could be fired on the basis of the posts alone and that if you were fired, you would have a harder time finding another job and/or lose your pension?

If I knew I could be fired based on the content of posts I make on a public internet messageboard, I would self-censor all of my posts... making sure nothing I said could possibly come back to bite me in the butt.

[alkemical]

Ok, let me put this another way then. If Steve really was a racist and a bad cop would you still feel sorry for him? The thing is no one here really knows if he is guilty of it or not but if he really is a bad cop would you feel the same way?



Do the ends justify the means to you?

They don't for me. (at least all the time)

[alkemical]

I haven't worked in the United States for about 20 years except for an acting job about 4 years ago so it is very possible I am out of touch with how the work place fuctions these days but if ST13 can lose a career that spaned 18 years solely for what he posted here than that is down right scary.

I really need to know Dog you could actually be fired for things you have posted?

Yes you can be fired for what you post on the net....

http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Anonymity/blog-anonymously.php

Blog Without Getting Fired
A handful of bloggers have recently discovered that their labors of love may lead to unemployment. By some estimates, dozens of people have been fired for blogging, and the numbers are growing every day.

The bad news is that in many cases, there is no legal means of redress if you've been fired for blogging. While your right to free speech is protected by the First Amendment, this protection does not shield you from the consequences of what you say. The First Amendment protects speech from being censored by the government; it does not regulate what private parties (such as most employers) do. In states with "at will" employment laws like California, employers can fire you at any time, for any reason. And no state has laws that specifically protect bloggers from discrimination, on the job or otherwise.

One way to make sure your blog doesn't earn you a pink slip is to make sure that you write about certain protected topics. Most states have laws designed to prevent employers from firing people who talk openly about their politics outside of work, for example. Be warned that laws like this do vary widely from state to state, and many are untested when it comes to blogging.

[Crushaholic]

He apparently resigned and that leads me to believe there was more to the story. That STILL doesn't change the fact that somebody should rat him out because of words he typed on a keyboard. I'm standing up for the right to post on a messageboard, not the content itself...

[baja]

I guess that's logical. That was a pretty quick resignation. <B> I actually enjoy these ethical dilemnas. Makes me confront what I believe.

WORD!

[Traveler]

TJ,

Kill this forum please! Whatever comfort level that was here is now gone.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

TJ,

Kill this forum please! Whatever comfort level that was here is now gone.

Amen

[patteeu]

We don't know what the investigation would or would not have found, Patteeu. Nor do we know what, if any, disciplinary action ST13's agency would have taken. What we do know is that he must have thought there was a possibility he could be fired or why else would he have resigned?

One can "muddy the waters" by trying to point the finger in other directions, but ultimately, no one forced ST13 to post those bigoted statements... nor did anyone force him to provide enough accurate personal information to easily identify himself. No one except ST13 is responsible for the content of his posts and he should have known that the internet is not private, nor is it secure. One's IP can easily be identified by any post made on any public messageboard. ST13... and no one else... put his job in jeopardy.

What a moronic analysis, but thankfully I've learned not to expect any better from you, Blue. The same argument can be used to blame a woman for the harassment and fear she experiences at the hands of a lonely internet weirdo turned real-life stalker if she foolishly posts her address and picture online. No one except the woman is responsible for the content of her posts and she should have known the internet is not private, nor is it secure. You don't seem to be able to recognize that there is another actor involved here and that that actor is responsible for his/her own actions.

I agree that SteveTensi13 was foolish to expose himself to this kind of thing, but the snitch is solely responsible for taking this internet relationship offline by firing off that email.

[Blueflame]

What a moronic analysis, but thankfully I've learned not to expect any better from you, Blue. The same argument can be used to blame a woman for the harassment and fear she experiences at the hands of a lonely internet weirdo turned real-life stalker if she foolishly posts her address and picture online. No one except the woman is responsible for the content of her posts and she should have known the internet is not private, nor is it secure. You don't seem to be able to recognize that there is another actor involved here and that that actor is responsible for his/her own actions.

I agree that SteveTensi13 was foolish to expose himself to this kind of thing, but the snitch is solely responsible for taking this internet relationship offline by firing off that email.

Totally different scenario, Patteeu. But then you knew that.

[patteeu]

Totally different scenario, Patteeu. But then you knew that.

Duh. That's the point. You aren't expressing a principle when you put all the blame on SteveTensi13 for exposing himself to this consequence, you are expressing a bias.

[alkemical]

it's not all that different actually.

Both are vindictive actions.

[Blueflame]

Duh. That's the point. You aren't expressing a principle when you put all the blame on SteveTensi13 for exposing himself to this consequence, you are expressing a bias.

It's called personal accountability, Patteeu. Again, one can muddy the waters by pointing fingers at others, but it boils down to this: ST13 came to a public messageboard and posted remarks for which he was called to account. Rather than allow the investigation to run its course, ST13 chose to resign. End of story.

[Blueflame]

it's not all that different actually.

Both are vindictive actions.

From my perspective there is a world of difference between a whistleblower asking for the investigation of a possibly problematic officer of the law and a (criminal) stalker victimizing an innocent but stupid woman.

[alkemical]

There was no proof that tensi was abusing his job, someone had it out for him and snitched on him. They used the avail means to get his info (he gave) and make a bigger deal about it than it was.

Mind you, this is coming from me - the most anti-authorty person on the mane probably - but i defend his right to say dumb **** - even if he is 'authority'.

You guys don't really get it do ya?

They are working on passing legislation that you can be prosocuted for stuff you do/say online. they are working on legislation that your online ID would have to be 'verified' so they can find out who you are.

It's not anon anymore, it's not 'fun' anymore. it's real, it's dirty and it's a bit scary.

I will side on civil liberties and cite my precautions until i have further evidence.

The internet has so much potential, unfortunatley what is equally good, is equally bad.

[patteeu]

It's called personal accountability, Patteeu. Again, one can muddy the waters by pointing fingers at others, but it boils down to this: ST13 came to a public messageboard and posted remarks for which he was called to account. Rather than allow the investigation to run its course, ST13 chose to resign. End of story.

You like to think you are championing personal accountability here, but you only apply it to one of the two OrangeManers involved in this tango. ST13 was foolish to trust the people around here and to put himself in a position to have his posts exposed to his employer. Snitching on ST13 was irresponsible and meanspirited. End of the full story.

[patteeu]

From my perspective there is a world of difference between a whistleblower asking for the investigation of a possibly problematic officer of the law and a (criminal) stalker victimizing an innocent but stupid woman.

No one said anything about the stalker being a criminal. I used the word "stalker" only to convey the meaning without a longwinded description. It's certainly possible to be annoying and perhaps even frightening or creepy without violating any stalking laws. But another simple analogy would be someone who takes the woman's picture and personal information and posts the all over the internet instead of in the remote corner where she posted, thereby increasing the chances of some freak seeing them and acting on them without coming close to violating any law at all.

[Blueflame]

There was no proof that tensi was abusing his job, someone had it out for him and snitched on him. They used the avail means to get his info (he gave) and make a bigger deal about it than it was.

Mind you, this is coming from me - the most anti-authorty person on the mane probably - but i defend his right to say dumb **** - even if he is 'authority'.

You guys don't really get it do ya?

They are working on passing legislation that you can be prosocuted for stuff you do/say online. they are working on legislation that your online ID would have to be 'verified' so they can find out who you are.

It's not anon anymore, it's not 'fun' anymore. it's real, it's dirty and it's a bit scary.

I will side on civil liberties and cite my precautions until i have further evidence.

The internet has so much potential, unfortunatley what is equally good, is equally bad.


The proof is in his prompt resignation, isn't it?

[Blueflame]

You like to think you are championing personal accountability here, but you only apply it to one of the two OrangeManers involved in this tango. ST13 was foolish to trust the people around here and to put himself in a position to have his posts exposed to his employer. Snitching on ST13 was irresponsible and meanspirited. End of the full story.

Please post the proof that it was an OM'er (a registered member here) who blew the whistle.

[alkemical]

The proof is in his prompt resignation, isn't it?

Blue,

I once made a joke at a job - someone asked me that since i was in IT i made all the big bucks - i told them that's because we sell all the good **** on ebay and take the money.

I got pulled into my boss's office the next day and was told to quit or i'd be fired.

[alkemical]

Please post the proof that it was an OM'er (a registered member here) who blew the whistle.


Prove the opposite.

[Blueflame]

No one said anything about the stalker being a criminal. I used the word "stalker" only to convey the meaning without a longwinded description. It's certainly possible to be annoying and perhaps even frightening or creepy without violating any stalking laws. But another simple analogy would be someone who takes the woman's picture and personal information and posts the all over the internet instead of in the remote corner where she posted, thereby increasing the chances of some freak seeing them and acting on them without coming close to violating any law at all.

First off, show me a woman who's stupid enough to post her home address on the internet. You did say "stalker" and the commonly recognized definition of that word is a man whose pursuit of said female is ardent enough to be against the law, or criminal.

[Blueflame]

Blue,

I once made a joke at a job - someone asked me that since i was in IT i made all the big bucks - i told them that's because we sell all the good **** on ebay and take the money.

I got pulled into my boss's office the next day and was told to quit or i'd be fired.

In ST13's case, his resignation probably is the easiest solution to the problem for both him and the NM state patrol. But if that's the option he exercised, it suggests that the investigation might have found grounds for his dismissal anyway.

[Blueflame]

Prove the opposite.

The burden of proof is not on me; it's on Patteeu, who stated definitively that the whistleblower is an OM'er. My position is that we do know the person visited the Orangemane WRP forum but do not know if it was a member or a guest.

[W*GS]

Are you forgetting what Wags did vis a vis JustinCase?

It would be interesting to read your take...

[elsid13]

Well it now official. As much as I will miss this section of the mane, it time for it to go or TJ needs to tighten access to it, and ensure that only vetted folks get the option to play. On well it been fun boys and girls.

I still think Spider is Hotrods and Pez' lovechild, and that not an opinion but a fact....

[Spider]

Well it now official. As much as I will miss this section of the mane, it time for it to go or TJ needs to tighten access to it, and ensure that only vetted folks get the option to play. On well it been fun boys and girls.

I still think Spider is Hotrods and Pez' lovechild, and that not an opinion but a fact....

thats ok little trooper , dry them eyes , be brave and venture out into the bold new world .......

[elsid13]

thats ok little trooper , dry them eyes , be brave and venture out into the bold new world .......

http://www.madisonwest61.com/images/7-taps.jpg

[Spider]

too soon they grow up and leave the nest ................dont forget to send money .......

[elsid13]

too soon they grow up and leave the nest ................dont forget to send money .......

Man isn't the Errand Welfare check enough ??? -

[Bronx33]

Guess this is a lesson to everyone to whatch what they say.... Damn

I just came back to this forum (wow!) this read simply blew me away.

[Spider]

Man isn't the Errand Welfare check enough ??? -

I got 6 kids to feed man

[elsid13]

I got 6 kids to feed man

Due the "crime", face the time my man ;D

[Spider]

Due the "crime", face the time my man ;D

LOL all kidding aside , the boy Dyllan was having serious problems , breaking out in Rashes so bad`his face was bloody , loosing wieght , not breathing right , after a battery of test we found out he is allergic to formula , not to worry though they have a formula he can have , cant remember the name of it , but it is 50.00 per can , a can last 2 days, but it is worth it seeing him happy instead of pain ...........Drive by your local Wal Mart , I will be the one holding the sign saying this is my second job , please help out ;D

[baja]

many kids do well on goats milk.

No pun intended...

[elsid13]

LOL all kidding aside , the boy Dyllan was having serious problems , breaking out in Rashes so bad`his face was bloody , loosing wieght , not breathing right , after a battery of test we found out he is allergic to formula , not to worry though they have a formula he can have , cant remember the name of it , but it is 50.00 per can , a can last 2 days, but it is worth it seeing him happy instead of pain ...........Drive by your local Wal Mart , I will be the one holding the sign saying this is my second job , please help out ;D

Spider

Glad to hear they figure it out. Things usually work out like they should.

[Spider]

many kids do well on goats milk.

No pun intended...

I looked into that , still might go that route , wife freaked when I mentioned it , but we may have to ,just to help on the cost ...... the girls are fine on thier special formula @12.00 a can ........

[Spider]

Spider

Glad to hear they figure it out. Things usually work out like they should.

thanks ....... I cant wait to get home and hold him , and the girls ......

[Taco John]

TJ,

Kill this forum please! Whatever comfort level that was here is now gone.


I'm unhappy with this situation, but I don't believe the correct course of action is to disband the sub-community here over it. I don't believe the correct thing to do to punish everybody here for the actions of two thoughtless individuals.

[JCMElway]

I'm unhappy with this situation, but I don't believe the correct course of action is to disband the sub-community here over it. I don't believe the correct thing to do to punish everybody here for the actions of two thoughtless individuals.

I totally agree TJ. While it is unfortunate that ST13 lost his job over this, it would be unfair to the may posters here who appreciate the forum if it was taken away.

And I can see both sides of this issue. It is true it's an open forum and it is just talk. It sucks that Steve was punished for what may amount to empty chatter on a message board. On the other hand, it is a public forum and everyone has control over the thoughts they write here. If you are in a career where public image is really an issue (and who isn't?) you ought to put some thought into what you write in a public forum because those words may come back to haunt you.

It may not have been a nice thing to do for someone to turn Steve in, but, ultimately, he is responsible for the ideas he expresses in the public domain.

[JCMElway]

He apparently resigned and that leads me to believe there was more to the story. That STILL doesn't change the fact that somebody should rat him out because of words he typed on a keyboard. I'm standing up for the right to post on a messageboard, not the content itself...

Of course you have the right to post on a messageboard. No one is arguing that. However, everyone here should expect to be held accountable for the words that they type and say.

[JCMElway]

TJ,

Kill this forum please! Whatever comfort level that was here is now gone.

I disagree. I'm totally comfy here. One of the reasons that I'm cofortable is that all of the opinions I express here I would say to anyone I meet on a daily basis face to face. If someone wants to dig into my posts, find out where I work and call my boss and tell them what I post, it would be a non-issue because I don't post racist garbage like ST13 did.

[baja]

Pubic service or not (-: some of the stuff I posted on the do forum on "around the league in 60 secs" would get me fired.

I read everyone of those they were hilarious but if you think that would get you fired than you need to get a better job with better people or get help for your drinking cause that's just nuts dog.

[-Slap-]

Pubic service or not (-: some of the stuff I posted on the dpo forum on "around the league in 60 secs" would get me fired.

That was some good internet.

[Atlas]

Sorta, kinda agree with you. The question remains as to why he resigned over some BS postings. I know I will watch what I say. You just might piss off the wrong person. Maybe it's time to move on!
Joe said it was like a witch hunt and he would resign as to give in to them. I imagine if he resigns his benefits are still intact.

[Atlas]

You know Slug, I dont think his statements here were anything less than disgusting and I couldnt agree less with what he posted here. But the fact of the matter is, we see a ton of freeform propoganda posted on this war forum from all walks of life. I agree he was out of line with what he said, but to translate that into his real life? Its not like the guy posted from his workplace (as far as I can tell).

I am just sickened by the method the guy is losing his job. We are a ****ing internet board, not some racist newsletter or something like that. This forum is freeform for a reason. All I know is, at the end of the day, we are not judged by our actions on an obscure part of this message board, but what we do in our real lives.

Its time to shut down this forum IMO. Be done with it. We obviously cant get any lower than we have here today.

By the way, that is what the REPORT a bad post is for people. If you dont like what is posted here, send a note to the moderator community first.


I'm as far left as there is on this board and I would never think of turning Joe in for those statements. I made a couple of games for Joe and we emailed each other. He is a good guy and he is a die hard Bronco fan.

I take back everything I have ever said in this forum and I just want people to know now that I was just JOKING!!!!!!!!! I was trying to get a reaction from Tensi and all the other far righters! BUT it was just talk.

[Atlas]

many kids do well on goats milk.

No pun intended...


Not really Baja, they just like the nipple

[patteeu]

The proof is in his prompt resignation, isn't it?

Not at all. The negative publicity alone could be enough to make the guy quit even if his employer was willing to weather the storm and it's very possible that the employer was in no mood to weather the storm leaving SteveTensi with the choice of resigning or being fired.

[patteeu]

First off, show me a woman who's stupid enough to post her home address on the internet. You did say "stalker" and the commonly recognized definition of that word is a man whose pursuit of said female is ardent enough to be against the law, or criminal.

There were stalkers before there were ever stalker laws. But even if we accept that the commonly recognized definition of a stalker implies illegal activity, I've already revised the analogy to cleans it of that problem and you simply dodge that inconvenient truth by clinging to your first interpretation.

[patteeu]

Please post the proof that it was an OM'er (a registered member here) who blew the whistle.

You jump to a completely illogical conclusion based on a "prompt resignation" but yet you want proof for this? LMAO

You and I both know that this was more likely than not a registered OMer.

[alkemical]

Considering when you come to http://www.orangemane.com/BB - you are prompted for a login page, and you can't browse the forums.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Considering when you come to http://www.orangemane.com/BB - you are prompted for a login page, and you can't browse the forums.From what I've seen that's not always the case, some days it is, some it isn't (as evidenced by the number of members and number of guests count at the bottom of the pages).

[Taco John]

You jump to a completely illogical conclusion based on a "prompt resignation" but yet you want proof for this? LMAO

You and I both know that this was more likely than not a registered OMer.


Perhaps... But according to Google Analytics, our IP address serves over 25,000 unique visitors a month. The folks you see registered are the tip of the iceberg. New Mexico is Broncos country. It could very well have been a case of the wrong lurker at the wrong time sending an email to a reporter friend after seeing the wrong post.

[alkemical]

From what I've seen that's not always the case, some days it is, some it isn't (as evidenced by the number of members and number of guests count at the bottom of the pages).

This is true, and it reduces the #'s of some random poster filing an anon beef against steve tensi, and it would also reduce that unless you know stevetensi13 was making said posts - you wouldn't know how to google it and find the posts through the cached system.

I'm not saying there aren't ways - but i'm gambling with human nature - and i'll say the % is greater is was an OM poster than a 'lurker'.

[smalltowngrll]

not to mention if you google certain words, there are quite a few threads that pop up from this forum in searches. Just stick your user name in the google search engine.... (even when it's set to prompt for a password)

[Taco John]

Considering when you come to http://www.orangemane.com/BB - you are prompted for a login page, and you can't browse the forums.


That didnt' start until the day the AP story hit, and the traffic load increased here to the point that everything slowed to a crawl. Prior to that, the forum was open to anyone.

[alkemical]

That didnt' start until the day the AP story hit, and the traffic load increased here to the point that everything slowed to a crawl. Prior to that, the forum was open to anyone.

I wasn't sure when that want 'full time' TJ.

[TailgateNut]

So if New Mexico is also part of Bronco's Country, and a resident of Espinola visits this site, he/she just happens to read some of Tensi's posts, and either has had some run in with the state police (a grudge) or is just concerned about public safety (a good samaritan), which in turn prompts that person to notify the State Police of the posts. Possible. Or it was a member of the OM who either "had it out for Tensi" or was truly concerned. Who the hell knows the true story? Only the recipient and the sender. I would tend to think the recipient knows the e-mail of the sender, but the sender may have requested to be kept anonymous!

[patteeu]

Perhaps... But according to Google Analytics, our IP address serves over 25,000 unique visitors a month. The folks you see registered are the tip of the iceberg. New Mexico is Broncos country. It could very well have been a case of the wrong lurker at the wrong time sending an email to a reporter friend after seeing the wrong post.

Could be, but it's got to be a pretty low probability that someone either comes here looking for Broncos info and somehow finds their way into that particular discussion in the WRP thread or even that someone with some random google search ends up targeting that thread and reads enough to come across Tensi's post. It's possible, but surely you'd agree that it's more likely than not an OrangeManer.

[W*GS]

New Mexico is Broncos country.

When I lived there, it was Cowboys Country.

[Tredici]

The proof is in his prompt resignation, isn't it?


Well that's one way of having a nice, tidy ending. The other might be because public pressure came in the form of the newspaper dispensing what was essentially gossip there could've been so much heat put on the entire police department that leaving immediately was the honorable thing to do to prevent his colleagues from being subjected to further fallout.

No one knows what actually happened here. To use the word "proof" is foolhardy at best. Or an example of the incredible arrogance of people who don't have enough information to make a judgement call, but do so anyway.

But what the heck. This situation just equates to poking at a Chief or Raider fan anyway.

[Taco John]

Could be, but it's got to be a pretty low probability that someone either comes here looking for Broncos info and somehow finds their way into that particular discussion in the WRP thread or even that someone with some random google search ends up targeting that thread and reads enough to come across Tensi's post. It's possible, but surely you'd agree that it's more likely than not an OrangeManer.



Indeed... But Google spiders pick up our politics pages as well as Broncos pages. I'd wager that a citizen looking for information on the Espanola police force could conceivably be sent directly to a Griego post.

For what it's worth, I also believe the probability is low that it was an outsider... But since we're considering all the possibilities and all.

[Crushaholic]

Of course you have the right to post on a messageboard. No one is arguing that. However, everyone here should expect to be held accountable for the words that they type and say.

Actually, no you don't. There have been all sorts of things said on this forum without consequences. They are just words. There is no proof that anything happened beyond that.

[-Slap-]

Well that's one way of having a nice, tidy ending. The other might be because public pressure came in the form of the newspaper dispensing what was essentially gossip there could've been so much heat put on the entire police department that leaving immediately was the honorable thing to do to prevent his colleagues from being subjected to further fallout.

No one knows what actually happened here. To use the word "proof" is foolhardy at best. Or an example of the incredible arrogance of people who don't have enough information to make a judgement call, but do so anyway.

But what the heck. This situation just equates to poking at a Chief or Raider fan anyway.

No sense trying to reason with a lynch mob.

[Northman]

Actually, no you don't. There have been all sorts of things said on this forum without consequences. They are just words. There is no proof that anything happened beyond that.



Just like there's no proof that it didnt happen.

[Rohirrim]

No sense trying to reason with a lynch mob.

I tried that argument, but I ended up feeling like one of those ACLU attorney's arguing for the KKK's right to march in Skokie. The defendant is not a savory client, so to speak.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I tried that argument, but I ended up feeling like one of those ACLU attorney's arguing for the KKK's right to march in Skokie. The defendant is not a savory client, so to speak.

The KKK comparison is over the top, but Griego surely didnt make any friends here.

This thing looks like the result of a vendetta by a specific poster or posters to inflict hardship on this guy at whatever the cost. I've seen the idea bandied about that it could have been a random visitor, but that is highly unlikely. You always look at the person's immediate surroundings first. A random act of violence is usually not the case. It is a possibility, but to completely ignore "incriminating" evidence that is here on the board isnt any way to come to a conclusion.

I dont agree much with Griego's opinions, but the undertaking of such a tedious and blatantly malicious campaign never crossed my mind. You know what type of poster this guy was (shock value/confrontational), and you take it in stride or ignore it.

I come off as passionate about my own convictions and ideas here, but if you ever meet me in the real world, you'll meet someone with a much different social approach. You probably wont here my opinions on social issues or politics. I enjoy the internet because of the exchange of ideas. You get raw ideas and less social interaction. I enjoy that because you can check in and check out pretty quickly and rejoin a conversation at your leisure.

For guys like Griego, the internet can be a sounding board for the ideas and emotions that they cant express at work. Cops live under pressure all of the time, and they know that most of us dont care and furthermore are critical of them for the job that they do. Policemen can be embittered by the problems that they are subjected to everyday. I would venture to say that most of them are. It's like being in the military. You see things that upset you and you have to handle the pressure so that you can resolve the problem.

Another poster mentioned a "lynch mob" chasing after Griego. I have to say that I agree with that assessment.

I see his resignment as nothing more than a political move to save the department some face and for his superiors to allow him to keep his pension if he is rehired.

Sorry Joe, this sucks.

[-Slap-]

I tried that argument, but I ended up feeling like one of those ACLU attorney's arguing for the KKK's right to march in Skokie. The defendant is not a savory client, so to speak.

Yeah, and he probably thought this was America.

[TailgateNut]

Yeah, and he probably thought this was America.

.........it IS America, and most Americans do not respect a crooked cop, just like crooked politicians. It's not Mexico where crooked cops are the norm!

[alkemical]

.........it IS America, and most Americans do not respect a crooked cop, just like crooked politicians. It's not Mexico where crooked cops are the norm!

Uhm, i seriously differ.

If a crooked cop is killed in the line of duty he still a hero.

[TailgateNut]

Uhm, i seriously differ.

If a crooked cop is killed in the line of duty he still a hero.


In whos' mind! A good cop deserves respect, a crooked cop deserves to rot with the criminals in prison. Depending on the crime, possibly more than the criminals, because he has abused his position of trust to commit crimes against those who have paid his salary!

[alkemical]

In whos' mind! A good cop deserves respect, a crooked cop deserves to rot with the criminals in prison. Depending on the crime, possibly more than the criminals, because he has abused his position of trust to commit crimes against those who have paid his salary!

read the papers and watch the news you'll see what i mean.

[TailgateNut]

read the papers and watch the news you'll see what i mean.

I know: it's a "what happens here stays here brotherhood", but there are exceptions to the rule. Here in Denver, Ritter basically absolved any and all police officers which were subjected to internal investigations of wrongdoing, during his stint as DA.

[Blueflame]

Not at all. The negative publicity alone could be enough to make the guy quit even if his employer was willing to weather the storm and it's very possible that the employer was in no mood to weather the storm leaving SteveTensi with the choice of resigning or being fired.
The newspaper articles indicated that the investigation was in progress... there was no indication (at least in the ones linked here) that ST13 was pressured into the resignation. This is not to say it couldn't have been the case; just that there is no evidence to support that conclusion.

There were stalkers before there were ever stalker laws. But even if we accept that the commonly recognized definition of a stalker implies illegal activity, I've already revised the analogy to cleans it of that problem and you simply dodge that inconvenient truth by clinging to your first interpretation.
Oh, so you've revised the analogy... but it's still flawed.

You jump to a completely illogical conclusion based on a "prompt resignation" but yet you want proof for this? LMAO
You and I both know that this was more likely than not a registered OMer.
Neither you nor I know who it was; that's the point I was trying to make. And really, what does it matter who blew the whistle? None of this would have happened if ST13 had self-censored his posts, leaving racism and bigotry out of the discussion. What's the point in publicly declaring oneself to be a racist and a bigot anyway? It's not like it was likely to have a positive effect on anyone who read the posts.

[baja]

.........it IS America, and most Americans do not respect a crooked cop, just like crooked politicians. It's not Mexico where crooked cops are the norm!

Hey! They got to feed their kids too.

[BroncoBuff]

The newspaper articles indicated that the investigation was in progress... there was no indication (at least in the ones linked here) that ST13 was pressured into the resignation. This is not to say it couldn't have been the case; just that there is no evidence to support that conclusion.

From what Steve told me, he and his bosses decided he should resign before he was fired, so that he could obtain employment elsewhere, with another force, without the taint of a dismissal.

[baja]

From what Steve told me, he and his bosses decided he should resign before he was fired, so that he could obtain employment elsewhere, with another force, without the taint of a dismissal.

Do you know if he was asked to resign because of what he posted only?

[Bronco LB 59]

Another update

http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/52895.html

An investigation into disturbing comments about police work on a Web site for Denver Broncos fans has not found a link between the remarks and any specific crimes or events.

Peter Olson, the state Department of Safety spokesman, said the investigation has not turned up evidence that anyone -- including former Officer Joe Griego, who resigned Tuesday -- fulfilled any of the comments that a writer identified as SteveTensi13 made on the Orange Mane Web site.

Griego, who worked in Espanola, resigned after the department placed him on administrative duty while officers investigated the Web site posts.

Griego's brief, four-sentence resignation letter, released Wednesday, does not shed light on whether he posted the comments.

``It has been indeed a deep honor and privilege to serve this department and the State of New Mexico for the last 18 years,'' Griego wrote in his letter to state police Chief Faron Segotta. ``It is with a heavy heart that I take this action and (it is) not one taken lightly.''

Griego could not be reached for comment.

The SteveTensi13 author stated he was a state police officer in Espanola and had been an officer for 18 years.

But Olson said the department has not conclusively determined Griego made the posts. Olson also said Griego has not committed any crimes as far as the department has been able to determine.

Whoever made the comments ripped into Hispanics and illegal Mexican nationals, threatened to frame people for drug possession and discussed the effectiveness of Taser stun guns.

Steve Tensi is a former Broncos quarterback who wore jersey No. 13 and last played in 1970.

In an entry on Nov. 8, the day after Election Day, SteveTensi13 wrote: ``When I go back to work, the first vehicle I see with a pro-democrat bumper sticker will get a nice visit from the friendly policeman and that friendly policeman just might find some incriminating drugs in said vehicle. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.''

In another entry on Taser stun guns, SteveTensi13 wrote: ``I like to call it `ride the lightning!' 50,000 volts of persuasion. Do as I say or suffer the consequences.''
SteveTensi13 made 1,773 posts over the past three years, according to the site.
He has not posted since Friday.

SteveTensi13 posted his most controversial comments on the site's ``war, religion and politics thread,'' and on Wednesday, people continued to post comments in that section on two threads dedicated to SteveTensi13's situation.

The number of comments topped 660, with some saying they didn't have sympathy for SteveTensi13 and others bemoaning the fact that someone on the site had sent an anonymous e-mail to the press about his comments.

Contact Wendy Brown at 986-3072 or wbrown@sfnewmexican.com.

[Crushaholic]

http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/52895.htmlThe number of comments topped 660, with some saying they didn't have sympathy for SteveTensi13 and others bemoaning the fact that someone on the site had sent an anonymous e-mail to the press about his comments.

Interesting. "They" are still monitoring this site...:welcome:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Another update

http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/52895.html

An investigation into disturbing comments about police work on a Web site for Denver Broncos fans has not found a link between the remarks and any specific crimes or events.

Peter Olson, the state Department of Safety spokesman, said the investigation has not turned up evidence that anyone -- including former Officer Joe Griego, who resigned Tuesday -- fulfilled any of the comments that a writer identified as SteveTensi13 made on the Orange Mane Web site.

Griego, who worked in Espanola, resigned after the department placed him on administrative duty while officers investigated the Web site posts.

Griego's brief, four-sentence resignation letter, released Wednesday, does not shed light on whether he posted the comments.

``It has been indeed a deep honor and privilege to serve this department and the State of New Mexico for the last 18 years,'' Griego wrote in his letter to state police Chief Faron Segotta. ``It is with a heavy heart that I take this action and (it is) not one taken lightly.''

Griego could not be reached for comment.

The SteveTensi13 author stated he was a state police officer in Espanola and had been an officer for 18 years.

But Olson said the department has not conclusively determined Griego made the posts. Olson also said Griego has not committed any crimes as far as the department has been able to determine.

Whoever made the comments ripped into Hispanics and illegal Mexican nationals, threatened to frame people for drug possession and discussed the effectiveness of Taser stun guns.

Steve Tensi is a former Broncos quarterback who wore jersey No. 13 and last played in 1970.

In an entry on Nov. 8, the day after Election Day, SteveTensi13 wrote: ``When I go back to work, the first vehicle I see with a pro-democrat bumper sticker will get a nice visit from the friendly policeman and that friendly policeman just might find some incriminating drugs in said vehicle. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.''

In another entry on Taser stun guns, SteveTensi13 wrote: ``I like to call it `ride the lightning!' 50,000 volts of persuasion. Do as I say or suffer the consequences.''
SteveTensi13 made 1,773 posts over the past three years, according to the site.
He has not posted since Friday.

SteveTensi13 posted his most controversial comments on the site's ``war, religion and politics thread,'' and on Wednesday, people continued to post comments in that section on two threads dedicated to SteveTensi13's situation.

The number of comments topped 660, with some saying they didn't have sympathy for SteveTensi13 and others bemoaning the fact that someone on the site had sent an anonymous e-mail to the press about his comments.

Contact Wendy Brown at 986-3072 or wbrown@sfnewmexican.com.


Wendy Brown, please give the man a fair shake. We're not "bemoaning" the fact that someone turned him in, we're "bemoaning" the irresponsible job of playing judge, jury, and executioner when there has been no proof of any crime committed. You and the rest of the regional press are partly to blame.

[Northman]

Interesting. "They" are still monitoring this site...:welcome:



They are watching you. 8')

[baja]

Wow! This really sucks. I would never dream Joe could lose his job for his postings alone but it looks like that is what has happened, without an investigation we will never know. If Joe is innocent of actually doing those things I wonder why he did not stay and get his name cleared maybe it's like some said they had decided to fire him because of the postings alone and gave him the option of resigning to save his pension. This has been a huge eye opener for me. This has caused me to change my mind. If a person can lose his job on hearsay than one needs to be very careful about giving out personal information.

Joe, I was appalled by the things you said as Stevetensi13 but if you never did those things you claimed I really hate that you got railroaded because of all this. At least you will be able to get out of the "Armpit of New Mexico" Hopefully you will get a much better job. I am a firm believer in what goes around comes around so maybe this will turn out to be a blessing for you.

[ZachKC]

I am a firm believer in what goes around comes around

Seems as though this is a great example of that.

[Blueflame]

From what Steve told me, he and his bosses decided he should resign before he was fired, so that he could obtain employment elsewhere, with another force, without the taint of a dismissal.

So ST13 will be OK.... his career isn't ruined because he'll be a "lateral" transfer to another department with good references from the NM State Patrol based on his 18 years of experience and all will end up well. It will mean a change of scenery, but he'll still be able to pay his bills and go on with his life.

[TheDave]

So ST13 will be OK.... his career isn't ruined because he'll be a "lateral" transfer to another department with good references from the NM State Patrol based on his 18 years of experience and all will end up well. It will mean a change of scenery, but he'll still be able to pay his bills and go on with his life.

I honestly hope you are right...

[epicSocialism4tw]

I honestly hope you are right...

No doubt. Good luck Joe.

[baja]

I honestly hope you are right...

It has come to our attention you sir are misrepresenting yourself as my client by posting his image as your own on the Orange Mane . My client has asked me to inform you to cease and desist from using his image as your identity forthwith. Be advised a lawsuit (case number 000777) has been filed at 9:43 AM the 1st day of December 2006.

[TheDave]

It has come to our attention you sir are misrepresenting yourself as my client by posting his image as your own on the Orange Mane . My client has asked me to inform you to cease and desist from using his image as your identity forthwith. Be advised a lawsuit (case number 000777) has been filed at 9:43 AM the 1st day of December 2006.

Damn I knew this nolte thing was going to catch up with me at some point... Looks like i'm going to have to find something in-offensive to use as an avatar.

Would anyone be offended by a picture of wheat?

http://www.conejobread.com/images/wheatfield.jpg

[baja]

Damn I knew this nolte thing was going to catch up with me at some point... Looks like i'm going to have to find something in-offensive to use as an avatar.

Would anyone be offended by a picture of wheat?

http://www.conejobread.com/images/wheatfield.jpg

http://www.conejobread.com/images/wheatfield.jpg

Now that really chafes my ass "thedave"

[elsid13]

The disclaimer is sweet idea.

[baja]

TheDave

Mr. Nolte has read many of your posts and thinks you are a very funny guy so he has agreed to allow you to use this, shall we say, more faltering image of him as your identify. He only asks that you reframe from going to the store in your pajamas.

http://www.my-wc.com/celebs/nick_nolte/top.jpg

[Northman]

Damn I knew this nolte thing was going to catch up with me at some point... Looks like i'm going to have to find something in-offensive to use as an avatar.

Would anyone be offended by a picture of wheat?

http://www.conejobread.com/images/wheatfield.jpg



I dont know, when i look at it i start thinking about beer. Is that bad? :rofl:

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Damn I knew this nolte thing was going to catch up with me at some point... Looks like i'm going to have to find something in-offensive to use as an avatar.

Would anyone be offended by a picture of wheat?

http://www.conejobread.com/images/wheatfield.jpg

My wife is gluten intollerant. If she catches me looking at pictures of wheat that will give her one more excuse to say NO.

[baja]

<b>My wife is gluten intollerant. </b> If she catches me looking at pictures of wheat that will give her one more excuse to say NO.

Well you could always drop back to a less demanding position.

[-Slap-]

Amazing, people calling his remarks "venting"!! More amazing is people willing not to hold this disturbed individual responsible for his own comments and actions as a "police officer" because he's a Bronco fan!!!

I could give a rat's ass if he's Bronco fan or not. Only a complete moron truly thinks one person is better than another based on what football team they favor. People here are simply disgusted because someone chose to carry out a personal vendetta against an individual they've never even met.

By the way, if Griego wrote up a fellow patrolman for drunk driving, its extremely likely he followed a much stricter code of conduct than the average police officer.

[-Slap-]

In ST13's case, his resignation probably is the easiest solution to the problem for both him and the NM state patrol. But if that's the option he exercised, it suggests that the investigation might have found grounds for his dismissal anyway.

It means the media destroyed the guy and you think its great.

Merry ****ing Christmas.

[Northman]

It means the media destroyed the guy and you think its great.

Merry ****ing Christmas.



No. He destroyed himself.

[-Slap-]

So ST13 will be OK.... his career isn't ruined because he'll be a "lateral" transfer to another department with good references from the NM State Patrol based on his 18 years of experience and all will end up well. It will mean a change of scenery, but he'll still be able to pay his bills and go on with his life.

Nice rationalization. You're a really disgusting person.

[-Slap-]

No. He destroyed himself.

You are completely useless to me and you're going to be one of the incredibly rare individuals who actually finds my ignore list.

I think its sad the media harpy comes out after the man is fired and admits he was cleared of any wrongdoing.

I think its even more sad the only member of the Orange Mane lynch mob to admit this guy got railroaded was Baja.

This place is a toilet.

[Northman]

You are completely useless to me and you're going to be one of the incredibly rare individuals who actually finds my ignore list.

I think its sad the media harpy comes out after the man is fired and admits he was cleared of any wrongdoing.

I think its even more sad the only member of the Orange Mane lynch mob to admit this guy got railroaded was Baja.

This place is a toilet.




Well, i guess im just not allowed to state my opinion without finding your ignore list. So be it, i like your posts although i dont always agree with them. But, had Joe just not posted that racial garbage to begin with he would still be working at his department. Had Joe came out and made some sort of statement ( anything ) regarding this to help clear it up would have saved him some grief in all aspects. I agree with you that this will follow him wherever he goes because he hasnt stated what his intentions were with the posts. If he was joking it sucks that he lost his job over it but it doenst exclude the fact that he posted something that he shouldnt have. If i were in his position, i would be fighting tooth and nail to clear my name whether i lost my pension or not. For me its all about pride and i wouldnt let anyone tarnish that.

[-Slap-]

Well, i guess im just not allowed to state my opinion without finding your ignore list. So be it, i like your posts although i dont always agree with them. But, had Joe just not posted that racial garbage to begin with he would still be working at his department. Had Joe came out and made some sort of statement ( anything ) regarding this to help clear it up would have saved him some grief in all aspects. I agree with you that this will follow him wherever he goes because he hasnt stated what his intentions were with the posts. If he was joking it sucks that he lost his job over it but it doenst exclude the fact that he posted something that he shouldnt have. If i were in his position, i would be fighting tooth and nail to clear my name whether i lost my pension or not. For me its all about pride and i wouldnt let anyone tarnish that.

For him, its probably all about feeding his family.

If you were really concerned about the man's pride, you wouldn't be calling for him to apologize to the very people who wrecked his career.

Anyway, internal investigations cleared the man's name. There's nothing left to say about this.

[Spider]

No. He destroyed himself.
that he sure did .............The New Mexico Media didnt give Steve a Fair shot , but there has to be a past history with ST13 or he wouldnt have been asked to resign, so quickly ............take the 50 bullets shooting , none has been forced to resign or be fired yet ............

[Bronco_Beerslug]

For him, its probably all about feeding his family.

If you were really concerned about the man's pride, you wouldn't be calling for him to apologize to the very people who wrecked his career.

Anyway, internal investigations cleared the man's name. There's nothing left to say about this.
That's BS.
Anyone who thinks there was an "investigation" is ignorant. That's why the NM State Patrol told him to resign and refused to admit Tensi was Greigo. They didn't want one nor did Tensi.

[SPfloppy]

Ummm...if he was cleared let it drop dude. In this country when someone is given a fair trial or in this case an administrative process to find evidence of wrong doing is found with no fault than there is no fault. Let him go man. Let it drop

[ZachKC]

That's BS.
Anyone who thinks there was an "investigation" is ignorant. That's why the NM State Patrol told him to resign and refused to admit Tensi was Greigo. They didn't want one nor did Tensi.

Seems pretty obvious. You would think...

[Blueflame]

Nice rationalization. You're a really disgusting person.

This isn't about me, Slap. To be honest, if I'd seen the racist postings ST13 put on this board, he would have been warned and possibly banned. Some of what he posted is more offensive than posts that have resulted in vacations for others. Such content is unwelcome on the Orangemane forums.

[Atlas]

This isn't about me, Slap. To be honest, if I'd seen the racist postings ST13 put on this board, he would have been warned and possibly banned. Some of what he posted is more offensive than posts that have resulted in vacations for others. Such content is unwelcome on the Orangemane forums.
\

That might be the best avatar ever! Sure gets me in the Christmas spirit.

[bendog]

This isn't about me, Slap. To be honest, if I'd seen the racist postings ST13 put on this board, he would have been warned and possibly banned. Some of what he posted is more offensive than posts that have resulted in vacations for others. Such content is unwelcome on the Orangemane forums.

He should've been banned. But outing him to an employer is truly a cowardly act, esp before Christmas. If one really thought he might actually be serious about some of that stuff, the honorable thing would be to PM him, or even open a thread, demanding he ask his commander for some kind of psychological help, and requiring him to pony up proof that he'd done so ... and failing that, then out him.

[Spider]

He should've been banned. But outing him to an employer is truly a cowardly act, esp before Christmas. If one really thought he might actually be serious about some of that stuff, the honorable thing would be to PM him, or even open a thread, demanding he ask his commander for some kind of psychological help, and requiring him to pony up proof that he'd done so ... and failing that, then out him.

blackmail never fails ;D

[loborugger]

Joe said it was like a witch hunt and he would resign as to give in to them. I imagine if he resigns his benefits are still intact.


That, and when he applies for a new job, he can say, "I quit", instead of "I was fired." Huge difference.

And, where do you think an 18 yr vet of the NM SP will apply for a job? My guess is he will start with any SO or PD in NM that is hiring.

So, Beersnitch will probably not even achieve his initial hope of getting rid of a evil man.

All you did was embarass the man, his family, and the NM SP for you five seconds of glee in your otherwise unhappy life.

[Atlas]

That, and when he applies for a new job, he can say, "I quit", instead of "I was fired." Huge difference.

And, where do you think an 18 yr vet of the NM SP will apply for a job? My guess is he will start with any SO or PD in NM that is hiring.

So, Beersnitch will probably not even achieve his initial hope of getting rid of a evil man.

All you did was embarass the man, his family, and the NM SP for you five seconds of glee in your otherwise unhappy life.

He can make $188,000.00 if he goes to Iraq and works security.

[JCMElway]

That, and when he applies for a new job, he can say, "I quit", instead of "I was fired." Huge difference.

And, where do you think an 18 yr vet of the NM SP will apply for a job? My guess is he will start with any SO or PD in NM that is hiring.

So, Beersnitch will probably not even achieve his initial hope of getting rid of a evil man.

All you did was embarass the man, his family, and the NM SP for you five seconds of glee in your otherwise unhappy life.

Has it been stated for sure that beerslug turned him in? Or is that just supposition?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Has it been stated for sure that beerslug turned him in? Or is that just supposition?

Look at my sig and consider things for a minute.

[baja]

Look at my sig and consider things for a minute.

Yes you are quite the crusader

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Look at my sig and consider things for a minute.So you added a partial quote of mine to your signature. Unlike you (the liar and hypocrite you are) I stated my reasoning for parodying Tensi's threat of manufacturing evidence to jail people for exercising free speech. But what I won't do is give your sorry lying ass satisfaction of any confirmation one way or the other.

But I sure revel in the fact I was right from the beginning about you posing as a "good Christian".


on 11-22-2006: Yeah, Im not pointing fingers. This guy is pretty far out there, and has some obvious control issues. He is potentially dangerous by what we've all seen here.

[epicSocialism4tw]

So you added a partial quote of mine to your signature. Unlike you (the liar and hypocrite you are) I stated my reasoning for parodying Tensi's threat of manufacturing evidence to jail people for exercising free speech. But what I won't do is give your sorry lying ass satisfaction of any confirmation one way or the other.
But I sure revel in the fact I was right from the beginning about you posing as a "good Christian".

That's not a partial quote chief. there's no reason to lie about it.

[kaytlynnbroncofan]

I am very dissappointed with whom ever turned in SteveTensi13. It was cowardly, but remember, what goes around comes around. We all have a right to our opinion. Arent our troops fighting and risking their lives for our safety and freedom?

[kaytlynnbroncofan]

Unless you work for or have family/friends who work for any of these, you could never know what these people go through. Most people are quick to judge and criticize, but yet those judge and complain couldnt go out and do any of these jobs. Yet have no hesitation to dial 911 to get help to save our lives or the lives of those we love. Please, show respect for these people. Dont be so quick to judge. For these people give up so much of themselves and their own lives, to make everyone elses safer.
Please read this....


***What I wish people knew about
>
>
>
>EMS, Firefighters , Dispatchers, & Law Enforcement***
>I wish you could know what it is like to search a burning bedroom for
>trapped children at 3 AM, flames rolling above your head, your palms
and
>knees burning as you crawl, the floor sagging under your weight as
the
>kitchen below you burns.
>I wish you could comprehend a husband's horror at 6 in the morning as
I
>check his wife of 40 years for a pulse and find none. I start CPR
anyway,
>hoping to bring her back, knowing intuitively it is too late. But
wanting
>her husband and family to know everything possible was done to try to
save
>her life.
>I wish you knew the unique smell of burning insulation, the taste of
>soot-filled mucus, the feeling of intense heat through your turnout
gear,
>the sound of flames crackling, the eeriness of being able to see
absolutely
>nothing in dense smoke-sensations that I've become too familiar with.
>I wish you could read my mind as I respond to a building fire "Is this
a
>false alarm or a working fire? How is the building constructed? What
>hazards await me? Is anyone trapped?" Or to call, "What is wrong with
the
>patient? Is it minor or life-threatening? Is the caller really in
distress
>or is he waiting for us with a 2x4 or a gun?"
>I wish you could be in the emergency room as a doctor pronounces dead
the
>beautiful five-year old girl that I have been trying to save during
the
>past 25 minutes, who will never go on her first date or say the words,
"I
>love you Mommy" again.
>I wish you could know the frustration I feel in the cab of the engine
or
>unit the driver with his foot pressing down hard on the pedal, my arm
>tugging again and again at the air horn chain, as you fail to yield
the
>right-of-way at an intersection or in traffic. When you need us
however,
>your first comment upon our arrival will be, "It took you forever to
get
>here!"
>I wish you could know my thoughts as I help extricate a girl of
teenage
>years from the remains of her automobile. "What if this was my
daughter,
>sister, my girlfriend or a friend? What is her parent's reaction
going to
>be when they open the door to find a police officer with hat in
hand?"
>I wish you could know how it feels to walk in the back door and greet
my
>parents and family, not having the heart to tell them that I nearly
did not
>come back from the last call.
>I wish you could know how it feels dispatching officers, firefighters
and
>EMT's out and when we call for them and our heart drops because no one
>answers back or to here a bone chilling 911 call of a child or wife
needing
>assistance.
>I wish you could understand how taking a code blue on a 6 year old
child
>affects someone and then the very next call how it is to get screamed
at
>because they have had to wait for a responder for 20 minutes for a
minor
>accident.
>I wish you could feel the hurt as people verbally, and sometimes
>physically, abuse us or belittle what I do, or as they express their
>attitudes of "It will never happen to me."
>I wish you could realize the physical, emotional and mental drain or
missed
>meals, lost sleep and forgone social activities, in addition to all
the
>tragedy my eyes have seen.
>I wish you could know the brotherhood and self-satisfaction of helping
save
>a life or preserving someone's property, or being able to be there in
time
>ofcrisis, or creating order from total chaos.
>I wish you could understand what it feels like to have a little boy
tugging
>at your arm and asking, "Is Mommy okay?" Not even being able to look
in his
>eyes without tears from your own and not knowing what to say. Or to
have to
>hold back a long time friend who watches his buddy having CPR done on
him
>as you take him away in the Medic Unit. You know all along he did not
have
>his seat belt on. A sensation that I have become too familiar with.
>Unless you have lived with this kind of life, you will never truly
>understand or appreciate who I am, we are, or what our job really
means to
>us...I wish you could though.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

That's not a partial quote chief. there's no reason to lie about it.You're a liar "God's child".


Originally Posted by SteveTensi13
I'll tell you one thing. When I go back to work, the first vehicle I see with a pro-democrat bumper sticker will get a nice visit from the friendly policeman and that friendly policeman just might find some incriminating drugs in said vehicle. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

I'll tell you one thing, when I get off work, every New Mexico newspaper, every Democratic office holder in the state, every PD and every judiciary in the state (with special emphasis on the Espanola area) will get a copy of this post mailed and emailed to them. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

Tensi didn't have much to say after that very bad one. Bad time to post that. I saw that post not long after Steve posted it, and thought to myself, "I'd like to reply to that, but I think I'll just relax and see what pops up later."

I notice Beerslug posted, "You need to take that back." And then events just rolled on. What a bad patch. Best of luck to all. I notice Atlas egged Steve on:

Atlas: HAHA..... That's my kinda cop. You come to Texas for a vacation and we'll go get drunk!!! Pull over some wetbacks and take all their money!

So, best of luck to all and one thing that I always think about is, "What goes around, comes around."

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I am very dissappointed with whom ever turned in SteveTensi13. It was cowardly, but remember, what goes around comes around. We all have a right to our opinion. Arent our troops fighting and risking their lives for our safety and freedom?No, they're not, not in Iraq. And your "remember what goes around" little diddy is most appropriate.....in Tensi's case.

[JCMElway]

Thank you for posting your parody of Tensi's post Beerslug. You may have turned him in or not, but I think the tenor of your post is not indisputable evidence if you did. And you did try and get Tensi to slow down on his racist rant, I will give you credit for that.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You're a liar "God's child".

It's astonishing to note that your post is the only one that came true in reality. What a coincidence.

[loborugger]

Has it been stated for sure that beerslug turned him in? Or is that just supposition?

Well, no one has fessed up to the dirty deed. However, for money it was the beersnitch.

Most times when asked if he did the dirty deed, he doesnt answer. then on occasion, he comes up with the ever clever "I aint saying I did it, and I aint saying I didnt." Everyone else can come up with "it wasnt me" but, this one, he is ever so clever.

Reading his posts, he consistently down plays the devastation of the event. When asked "what if he is a real cop, what happens then." "He's not really a cop," says the omnipresent snitch. Then he declares, "there is no way he has a family," when people ask about the devastation to the man's loved ones. It wasnt really a crummy thing he did if it doesnt hurt the guy too much.

Yet, there is a smugness in his postings. He thinks that diming out ST13 was a good thing, and he wants you to think it, too. I am gonna guess that if this action was received with the heroic accolades he expected, he would gladly step forward and claim the glory due him. Instead, he is confused by the revulsion of the average OM reader.

Oh, and of course, there is the fact that he stated he was going to do what happened.

My money is on Beersnitch either being the rat, or having put someone else to it. Either way...

Tell me, beersnitch (or whoever the dime dropper was, wink wink), when you sent off the e mail to the reporter at the New Mexican, did you give her the full story? Did you tell her how debates very often breakdown into personal attacks, with you, beersnitch, leading the charge to the bottom of the barrel? Did you mention that posters on here often say outrageous crap just to get a responses? Did you mention that you often antagonize posters of a different political ilk than your own? Did you put events into perspective, or did you just point her to a few of his most inflammatory posts?

Beersnitch trumpets ST13's bigotry as a reason that he deserved to be dimed out. Yet he is as much of a bigot as ST13. (Bigot defined as stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. ) Wow, that sounds extraordinarily like your reaction to anyone who posts something in support of a right wing position or a belief in God. Too bad we cant get you canned, too.

I have for about a week avoided this thread because this whole thing angers me, and I cant dont a thing to fix it, which in turn creates stress. When Bob hijacks thread after thread about Denver and turns it into a preseason promise that the Chef's have a D, that irritates me. When someone responds to my opinion with "Hey Jackass", that kinda makes me laugh. I dont allow things on here to bother me, cuz its only pretend land. If I never logged into the Mane again, nothing anyone on here ever posted would ever matter - I keep it in perspective. However, when someone takes crap outta here into the real world, they have stepped so far beyond the boundary, its hard to comprehend. Its like setting Crazyhorse's mustang on fire just cuz he started another thread goating Broncos fans for responses or seeking out LABF to punch his lights out just cuz he comes time and again to Chavez's defense.

Its like I tell my kids. If you leave your bike out in the front yard, come inside for hours to play, only to find the next day that your bike was stolen, then it is partially your fault. You made it easy for the thief to make off with your possession. However, it never alleviates the thief of stealing your stuff. Never. Its just a shame that ST13 left his bike out there where everyone could see it and someone (wink, wink, beersnitch) took off with it.

I am gonna leave this thing alone for awhile. It gets my blood up and makes the Mane no fun for me. And that is damn shame, cuz I have enjoyed the Mane now for 4 or 5 years.