Plumbing...(No Not a Plummer Thread) HELP!

[Sassy]

TJ you can take this off after a bit or delete it...but I have a question...Does anyone know anything about plumbing (I called the Plumber...he'll be here later this am but...) I was digging stuff out from under my stairs...and I barely bumped the pvc pipe that is connected to my sump pump...and where it was connected it totally came apart! (It looked liked it was already broken~cracked~...I stuck my finger in the top part of the pipe and water gushed out! (****!) So I figured it was a major plumbing emergency and called the Plumber...any idea what this would take to fix time and money wise? Just curious what to expect. The gal on the phone said it was 39.95 for a service fee, which is waived if they can fix it right then and there...What a way to start a day ...blah!

[Spider]

TJ you can take this off after a bit or delete it...but I have a question...Does anyone know anything about plumbing (I called the Plumber...he'll be here later this am but...) I was digging stuff out from under my stairs...and I barely bumped the pvc pipe that is connected to my sump pump...and where it was connected it totally came apart! (It looked liked it was already broken~cracked~...I stuck my finger in the top part of the pipe and water gushed out! (****!) So I figured it was a major plumbing emergency and called the Plumber...any idea what this would take to fix time and money wise? Just curious what to expect. The gal on the phone said it was 39.95 for a service fee, which is waived if they can fix it right then and there...What a way to start a day ...blah!
PCV is cheap , you could have done ityourself in a matter of minutes ........ the service call will cost the most ......... here I think you can get 10 foot of pcv , the primer , glue , for around 15.00

[Hugga Bunch]

http://www.r2-dvd.org/pics/grabs/nlcv/s1.jpg
"Sh|tter's full!"

[Sassy]

It's looks like it's the connecting piece that's broken.

[bronco militia]

TJ you can take this off after a bit or delete it...but I have a question...Does anyone know anything about plumbing (I called the Plumber...he'll be here later this am but...) I was digging stuff out from under my stairs...and I barely bumped the pvc pipe that is connected to my sump pump...and where it was connected it totally came apart! (It looked liked it was already broken~cracked~...I stuck my finger in the top part of the pipe and water gushed out! (****!) So I figured it was a major plumbing emergency and called the Plumber...any idea what this would take to fix time and money wise? Just curious what to expect. The gal on the phone said it was 39.95 for a service fee, which is waived if they can fix it right then and there...What a way to start a day ...blah!


you can you post a picture?

pvc pipe is easy to fix.....you'll pay more for the service call than you will for the materials and labor.

[Sassy]

Here...check it out!

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a128/SSundheim/100_2610.jpg

[Mile High Shack]

that doesn't look that bad at all

I'm not a plumbing expert, but that looks pretty simple if you ask me

listen to the guys here and let them tell you and DO NOT get screwed, they'll screw you faster than anything on a wed before turkey day and if you are female

[Spider]

Here...check it out!

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a128/SSundheim/100_2610.jpg

easy fix , all you need is some duct tape , Panty hose , and a sodering iron ;D
Seriously thats a 3 minute job to fix

[Sassy]

easy fix , all you need is some duct tape , Panty hose , and a sodering iron ;D
Seriously thats a 3 minute job to fix

It might be for them...but for me...since I haven't a clue...it would be a major headache...and more time wasted to find the stuff.

[Sassy]

What pisses me off...is it looks like it was already broken from before.

[Spider]

It might be for them...but for me...since I haven't a clue...it would be a major headache...and more time wasted to find the stuff.

Duct tape and Panty hoses are pretty easy to find ;)

[bronco militia]

easy fix....got to home depot and ask for a new check valve for your sump pump....

use a nut driver (5/16") or flat head screw driver to loosen the radiator clamps (the silver bands) and take the old part with you.

[rugbythug]

I have this exact thing in my house and had it break also. What that is, is a back flow valve. You need to get a new one. THen all you do is unscrew those tensioners and put on the new valve. should take less than 5 minutes. There is probably water above the valve you will want to have a bucket handy.

[Sassy]

It sounds like I could do it...but I'll probably wuss out and have them do it.

[Sassy]

I have this exact thing in my house and had it break also. What that is, is a back flow valve. You need to get a new one. THen all you do is unscrew those tensioners and put on the new valve. should take less than 5 minutes. There is probably water above the valve you will want to have a bucket handy.

There is! LOL! I stuck my finger in there and water gushed out!

[Spider]

It sounds like I could do it...but I'll probably wuss out and have them do it.
words my wife hates to hear
not a problem , trust me I know what i am doing , here watch this ..........

[bronco militia]

There is! LOL! I stuck my finger in there and water gushed out!

do you have a toilet in the basement?

[Sassy]

do you have a toilet in the basement?

Yes. (Well, half basement...it's not totally underground.)

I was just going to ask if I should be using the toilet, shower, water...
I'm pretty sure it's been broken for awhile.

[Rascal]

Based on your picture it appears the sump pump connector is what broke (the green thing). Disconnect the two parts of that connector from the PVC pipe and from the sump pump line.

Take that to your local hardware store and either look yourself in the plumbing area for a similar component, or where something skanky go to the store and ask some guy to help you.

When you do get teh part you will need some plummer's glue (some need primer some don't). You shouldn't have to worry about cutting the connector to length.

Take it home and reinstall it.

[bronco militia]

Yes. (Well, half basement...it's not totally underground.)

I was just going to ask if I should be using the toilet, shower, water...
I'm pretty sure it's been broken for awhile.

you should be fine....this looks like a pit for ground water.

some homes have a grinder pump to move the waste from the toilet and other fixtures back up to the sewer level.

maybe you should wash that finger....Ha!

[TailgateNut]

easy fix....got to home depot and ask for a new check valve for your sump pump....

use a nut driver (5/16") or flat head screw driver to loosen the radiator clamps (the silver bands) and take the old part with you.


Great advice! Sassy, if a plumber comes to fix it you'll end up paying triple for the parts plus the service fee and travel. Just do as militia said. The vertical pipe above the check valve will have water so do have that bucket ready when you loosen the clamp above the check valve.
Good luck!

[bronco militia]

Based on your picture it appears the sump pump connector is what broke (the green thing). Disconnect the two parts of that connector from the PVC pipe and from the sump pump line.

Take that to your local hardware store and either look yourself in the plumbing area for a similar component, or where something skanky go to the store and ask some guy to help you.

When you do get teh part you will need some plummer's glue (some need primer some don't). You shouldn't have to worry about cutting the connector to length.

Take it home and reinstall it.

she doesn't need any glue..

[Rascal]

probably not, but I always use glue on connectors as I've had them pop off if there is any back pressure.

[Sassy]

you should be fine....this looks like a pit for ground water.

some homes have a grinder pump to move the waste back up to the sewer level.

maybe you should wash that finger....Ha!

Great advice on the finger!...and I did! Ha!
I do think it's been broken for awhile though...it just didn't happen today. It looks like it would have taken some force for it to do that...so I'm wondering how long it's been that way.

[smalltowngrll]

Only thing I know about plumbing is how to install a new kitchen faucet and remove the old. Good luck though! ;D

[Sassy]

Great advice! Sassy, if a plumber comes to fix it you'll end up paying triple for the parts plus the service fee and travel. Just do as militia said. The vertical pipe above the check valve will have water so do have that bucket ready when you loosen the clamp above the check valve.
Good luck!

SHe said they waive the service call (39.95) if they fix it.

[bronco militia]

Great advice on the finger!...and I did! Ha!
I do think it's been broken for awhile though...it just didn't happen today. It looks like it would have taken some force for it to do that...so I'm wondering how long it's been that way.

all it takes is for someone to kick the pipe....got kids?

anway, that's why they have those black rubber bands (no-hub clamps) connecting the check valve. This part breaks all the time.

[TailgateNut]

Sassy, aside from getting the Check valve, the repair should only take a few minutes. Don't ya have a nice neighbor who can come and give ya a hand? If not, I'm sure you can handle it.

[Mile High Shack]

SHe said they waive the service call (39.95) if they fix it.

ok.........so go buy the part yourself and go here

put this in

dont let him put in his piece of plastic for 100 bucks ;)

[smalltowngrll]

easy fix....got to home depot and ask for a new check valve for your sump pump....

use a nut driver (5/16") or flat head screw driver to loosen the radiator clamps (the silver bands) and take the old part with you.

Home Depot is the best! That's how I learned to install my new kitchen faucet! BTW...two months later and it's still working mighty fine! !Booya!

Ok, sorry Sassy..back to your issue now! Let us know how it goes, though.

[Sassy]

Not to mention it would take me at least an hour to go across town to Home Depot to find something that I know nothing about...and try and put it on myself...yeah, I know, it will cost me but I think I'd rather not chance it this time around...

Plus, they call when they are on the way...and she said if I don't answer...they don't show or call back. (Yeah, I know, I should do it myself but right now I don't have the time to mess with it...you should see my disaster of a house...I hauled out the Christmas tree at midnight last night and I already pissed off my boss (maybe) by telling her I couldn't work today (I wasn't scheduled to work today) because I was up until 4...didn't tell her why! Ha!) It looks like a tornado hit right now!

[Rascal]

Get dressed and out of your PJ's and do it yourself!!!

LOL

[Sassy]

Get dressed and out of your PJ's and do it yourself!!!

LOL

Not sure that's worth it!!! ;)

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Take that to your local hardware store and either look yourself in the plumbing area for a similar component, or where something skanky go to the store and ask some guy to help you.

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Yes take the part with you.

Looks like it is easy to install if you get the part.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

probably not, but I always use glue on connectors as I've had them pop off if there is any back pressure.You don't glue those connections, geeezus. That's two hose clamp connections.

Sassy do not let a plumber fix that unless you like throwing away good money. Take a screwdriver, unscrew the two screws holding the metal bands that are holding the black hose around your broken valve. Take both pieces of the broken valve to Lowes, Home Depot, Ace, hardware store, etc..., whatever store you have around you and show them what you need to get. Installing is just the reverse, put the new valve ends back into the black hoses and tighten the metal hose clamps around them.

[Sassy]

Black hose?

[bronco militia]

Black hose?


black rubber-band connecting the white pipe to the check valve.

these are called no-hub clamps

[OrangeShadow]

its all jakes fault ROFL!

[Sassy]

all it takes is for someone to kick the pipe....got kids?

anway, that's why they have those black rubber bands (no-hub clamps) connecting the check valve. This part breaks all the time.

No kids...but I do have a lot of heavy storage containers I may have knocked against it.

[Sassy]

its all jakes fault ROFL!

Good...send him over to fix it...I 'd like to have a word or two with that boy anyway! :wiggle:

[ak1971]

burn your house down...youll get a brand new one LOL

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Black hose?

Look in the pic below, unscrew those two screws holding those metal bands around the black hose. Don't unscrew them all the way, just enough where you can easily pull the green valve parts out of the black hoses. You can leave the metal bands around the black hoses because thats what will tighten the connections on your new valve.





http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/6888/1002610tc7.jpg

[Sassy]

Ahh gotcha...that's what I thought you meant...but I was thinking maybe it could be underneath the white pipe too...(which is black...I looked at it before I stuck my finger in there! LOL!)

[OrangeShadow]

I looked at it before I stuck my finger in there! LOL!)

thats always a good step to take :spit:

[Sassy]

What happens if I wait to get it fixed? My dad will be here at Christmas...He would fix it for me...I unplugged the sump pump and there isn't any more water coming from where I stuck my finger ;D

[bronco militia]

What happens if I wait to get it fixed? My dad will be here at Christmas...He would fix it for me...I unplugged the sump pump and there isn't any more water coming from where I stuck my finger ;D


how often do you think it runs (pump)?....

also, pop the lid on the pit and tell us how much water you see?

[Sassy]

I live in a townhouse...and the one's on lower ground kick in first...I don't know if mine has ever kicked in.

[Sassy]

The lid...is bolted to the floor.

[bronco militia]

The lid...is bolted to the floor.

damn...better get it fixed

[Sassy]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a128/SSundheim/100_2611.jpg

[Sassy]

I got the sucker apart!

[Rascal]

Good job. Now it's just a matter of finding the part at a hardware store.

[Orange_Beard]

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3700/fullofshxn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Looks like the pipe is full of sh**

[Circle Orange]

Make sure you don't have any seepage...if the pipe was cracked for some time it likely was seeping somewhere. If there's no major water damage I'd agree with everyone else that it looks pretty simple (lol, provided the water is cut off first!!)

But plumbing isn't something you wing...if you're not comfortable or have enough knowledge doing it, CALL THE PLUMBER! There's enough nightmare stories out there from "Do it yourself ers" .Sounds like you already did that, tho, called for help...http://scosoft.com/s/p/355cfa13.gif

[Sassy]

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3700/fullofshxn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Looks like the pipe is full of sh**

I have the Plumber on standby...they called back and I asked if they were busy if I couldn't get it, I would call them back later. Ha!

Hey...it's pictures of Bobo, Crazyhorse and crew! Ha!

[Sassy]

Make sure you don't have any seepage...if the pipe was cracked for some time it likely was seeping somewhere. If there's no major water damage I'd agree with everyone else that it looks pretty simple (lol, provided the water is cut off first!!)

But plumbing isn't something you wing...if you're not comfortable or have enough knowledge doing it, CALL THE PLUMBER! There's enough nightmare stories out there from "Do it yourself ers" .Sounds like you already did that, tho, called for help...http://scosoft.com/s/p/355cfa13.gif

It's the sump pump...and there was no water anywhere...until I messed with it! Ha! Anyway, I'll try it with instructions from you guys...my dad said the same thing and I sent him pics. I'm off to home depot...yuck! Later! (Yes, he told me to ask for sealant too)

[Mile High Shack]

It's the sump pump...and there was no water anywhere...until I messed with it! Ha! Anyway, I'll try it with instructions from you guys...my dad said the same thing and I sent him pics. I'm off to home depot...yuck! Later! (Yes, he told me to ask for sealant too)

i'm no plummer, but even I knew that too ;)

when I helped my father in law put in a new faucet at our house we used both, clamps and sealant, it never hurts to use it

[Rascal]

It's the sump pump...and there was no water anywhere...until I messed with it! Ha! Anyway, I'll try it with instructions from you guys...my dad said the same thing and I sent him pics. I'm off to home depot...yuck! Later! (Yes, he told me to ask for sealant too)

Your dad is smart.

I'm not going to explain myself to Slug, but in areas I've worked at plumbers are required to use sealant in addition to the clamps. When I was building houses in Colorado we helped out the plumber and we did that. If their is enough back pressure, or if the clamps eat away at the rubber connector, they can leak, hence the reason why sealant is needed. But I'm just an idiot with no mechanical background at all so what do I know.

[Sassy]

Your dad is smart.

Now we'll see if I can get it back together...I had to remove two of the clamps to get it apart...

Dang...this ticks me off...what a waste of a 60 degree day...I had a ton of stuff to do...not to mention I drug all of the CHRISTMAS stuff out...

[Rascal]

If you get stuck or have a question post a picture of it and we'll help you out.

[rugbythug]

Just know if you put sealant on it, Next time it breaks it will be 5x as hard. No matter what your dad or rascal say. I have the same thing with the same connection no glue in the middle of a finished basement that moves more water with no problems. Trust do not glue it, Hose clamps are more than adequate.

[Sassy]

Thanks guys! I appreciate your help! I'll get back to ya!

[smalltowngrll]

Now we'll see if I can get it back together...I had to remove two of the clamps to get it apart...

Dang...this ticks me off...what a waste of a 60 degree day...I had a ton of stuff to do...not to mention I drug all of the CHRISTMAS stuff out...

It's time to put up the Christmas decorations anyway! ;D

[Gort]

make sure not to install the replacement upside down. it's an obvious point, but it still needs to be said. just compare the orientation against that in the photos you posted previously.

also, you'll be glad you did it yourself when done. you saved money. you learned something. you get the satisfaction of completing the job yourself.

[Sassy]

Ok...so I decide to do this myself...Go to the Hardware store in my neighborhood...they have one that might work...looks a little different...but the ends will fit a PVC pipe 1 1/4 - 1 1/2 (Mine is 1 1/2) but it already has clamps/rubber hose with it but I decide to go check out home depot...NOTHING...Lowes...the guy sells me the wrong size...after he says..this should work...it's in a box (He did compare it to the old one )...I don't look at it...it SCREWS in (I look at it halfway home!) ...blah...I go back to True Value (where I was in the first pl ace)...haven't put it on yet, but I'm hoping it works...am taking time out for lunch and going out to the garden to get some stuff done...it's 63 in ND! (what's a few more hours for it to wait) I am getting NOTHING accomplished...8 hours later from the time I first noticed the connector was broken....If it doesn't work, I'll have to call the plumber anyway since I can't find the part...I should have just got it over and done with!

Can I go back to bed and start over...or should I just swig the 3 bottles of wine I picked up on my way back home for Turkey Day tomorrow! Thank God, I'm not cooking...

Ok...I sound like Mock...RANT OVER ;D
Thanks for listening! (and for the help!)

P.S. Satisfaction from doing it myself? Next time, I think I'll waste the money...it's been nothing but a headache for a simple five minute job.

[smalltowngrll]

awwww...Sassy! So sorry it didn't work out for ya!

[Sassy]

awwww...Sassy! So sorry it didn't work out for ya!

It might still...I haven't tried the part I did get finally...I'm too stressed at the moment...so I think I'll go rake the leaves out of the garden.

[Sassy]

It's time to put up the Christmas decorations anyway! ;D

Yep...that's what I was doing at midnight last night...and that's how I discovered the broken connector on the sump pump this am (digging under my stairs for more Christmas stuff)...now I have stuff everywhere...upstairs and down. :(

[Rich Karlis]

Ok...so I decide to do this myself...Go to the Hardware store in my neighborhood...they have one that might work...looks a little different...but the ends will fit a PVC pipe 1 1/4 - 1 1/2 (Mine is 1 1/2) but it already has clamps/rubber hose with it but I decide to go check out home depot...NOTHING...Lowes...the guy sells me the wrong size...after he says..this should work...it's in a box (He did compare it to the old one )...I don't look at it...it SCREWS in (I look at it halfway home!) ...blah...I go back to True Value (where I was in the first pl ace)...haven't put it on yet, but I'm hoping it works...am taking time out for lunch and going out to the garden to get some stuff done...it's 63 in ND! (what's a few more hours for it to wait) I am getting NOTHING accomplished...8 hours later from the time I first noticed the connector was broken....If it doesn't work, I'll have to call the plumber anyway since I can't find the part...I should have just got it over and done with!

Can I go back to bed and start over...or should I just swig the 3 bottles of wine I picked up on my way back home for Turkey Day tomorrow! Thank God, I'm not cooking...

Ok...I sound like Mock...RANT OVER ;D
Thanks for listening! (and for the help!)

P.S. Satisfaction from doing it myself? Next time, I think I'll waste the money...it's been nothing but a headache for a simple five minute job.

As long as its a check valve and the ends will fit 1 1/2" pipe pick it up and do it yourself. Dont worry what it looks like they all serve the same purpose. When you install the new one make sure the arrow on the side is facing up. Before you remove the old check valve get yourself an empty pail and hold the pail under the valve and loosen the clamp on the top slowly. That vertical pipe should be full of water if the old valve was working correctly. Ive been a plumber for 11 years now and I wish I knew the pipe was full of water before doing that job for the first time. And of course it was mid 30's that day.

[Blueflame]

Good luck with the connector, Sass.

[Sassy]

Thanks...emptied it this am...found out first hand when I stuck my finger in it ...I got it disassembled fine...haven't tried to put it back together yet! LOL!

Rich, Do you recommend sealant or no sealant...I was told by Lowes and Home Depot both...no sealant as it will be harder than heck to get off if it breaks again and that the rubber will expand when wet and it will tighten it up then so it shouldn't leak.

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[Bronco_Beerslug]

Thanks...emptied it this am...found out first hand when I stuck my finger in it ...I got it disassembled fine...haven't tried to put it back together yet! LOL!

Rich, Do you recommend sealant or no sealant...I was told by Lowes and Home Depot both...no sealant as it will be harder than heck to get off if it breaks again and that the rubber will expand when wet and it will tighten it up then so it shouldn't leak.

No sealant required (these fittings, valves are made to be replaced). Anyone who says different has NO idea of what they're talking about. Think of it this way, have you ever heard of anyone gluing radiator hoses on cars to the connector housings?

[Sassy]

That makes sense! I'm thinking I wouldn't want to drive my car that way! LOL!

[ant1999e]

I've been a plumber for 11 years. Do not use glue.

[Sassy]

I've been a plumber for 11 years. Do not use glue.

Thanks! I'm not!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I've been a plumber for 11 years. Do not use glue.I always thought you were a turd chaser.












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[ant1999e]

In the Air Force we are referred to as "Turd Hurders".:thumbsup:

[Rohirrim]

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"Hell. Four pages and nobody has mentioned duct tape?"

[Meck77]

My advice Sassy. Call Hogan. He can fly over and check your plumbing.

[ohiobronco2]

In the Air Force we are referred to as "Turd Hurders".:thumbsup:

My dad owns a plumbing company. We thought this would be a catchy slogan, "If your s*** don't flow, we want to know."

[Sassy]

My advice Sassy. Call Hogan. He can fly over and check your plumbing.

:P

[Sassy]

Ok...it looks a little crooked...but it's tight. I'll have my dad check it at Christmas.

Thanks again for all the advice guys!
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