Clairvoyant led Americans to Saddam

[alkemical]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061106/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_iraq_saddam_geller

Clairvoyant led Americans to Saddam, says Geller

HERZLIYA, Israel (Reuters) - Did a clairvoyant help U.S. commandos ferret Saddam Hussein out of his hiding place in Iraq three years ago?

Israeli-born celebrity psychic Uri Geller, best known for his spoon-bending antics, says the power of the paranormal led U.S. troops to the fugitive Iraqi ex-dictator.

"You remember when they found Saddam Hussein in Iraq? A soldier walked over to a rock, lifted it and then found a trap-door and found him in there," Geller told Reuters.

"Well, I know that that soldier walked over to that rock because he got information from a 'remote viewer' from the United States."

Geller, who says he worked for the Central Intelligence Agency during the Cold War, said his information came from a high-level source involved in U.S. paranormal programmes.

A U.S. military spokesman in Iraq had no immediate comment. At the time of his capture, U.S. commanders said a source close to the fugitive had given him up under interrogation.

A Brazilian psychic tried last year to claim a $25 million (13.2 million pound) bounty offered for Saddam's capture, saying he had described the hiding place in letters to the U.S. government.

[TheDave]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day :)

[elsid13]

What crock of BS. It was done through good intellegence gathering and analysis, plus having well trained soldiers. File this with the mini-nukes

[alkemical]

http://skepdic.com/remotevw.html

The CIA and the U.S. Army thought enough of remote viewing to spend millions of taxpayers' dollars on research in a program referred to as "Stargate." The program involved using psychics for such operations as trying to locate Gadhafi of Libya (so our Air Force could drop bombs on him) and the locating of a missing airplane in Africa. The mass media, ever watchful of wasteful government programs, did not exhibit much skepticism regarding remote viewing. Typical is the reporting in the Sacramento area. TV news anchors Alan Frio and Beth Ruyak led their nightly Channel 10 program on November 28, 1995, with a story on "exciting new evidence" that remote viewing really works. The same story had appeared that morning in the Sacramento Bee in an Associated Press article about "Stargate" by Richard Cole. "A particularly talented viewer accurately drew windmills when the sender was at a windmill farm at Altamont Pass," Cole wrote. The "talented viewer" was Joe McMoneagle, a former army psychic spy. Cole based his claim on the testimony of Dr. Jessica Utts, a statistics professor at the University of California, Davis, who was hired by the government to do an assessment of "psychic functioning." Channel 10 interviewed Dr. Utts, who confirmed that there is good reason to believe that Joe McMoneagle does indeed have psychic powers.

[alkemical]

Sorry guys, but i have to differ - i think this stuff is real. There are frauds - but i think there is a % of it that is valid.

[elsid13]

Sorry guys, but i have to differ - i think this stuff is real. There are frauds - but i think there is a % of it that is valid.

Well you have that right, but there was excellent Discovery shows that documented the capture of Saddam. It showed the long hours and hard work the Army did in breaking Saddam's network and putting the facts together to find this SOB.

[alkemical]

Well you have that right, but there was excellent Discovery shows that documented the capture of Saddam. It showed the long hours and hard work the Army did in breaking Saddam's network and putting the facts together to find this SOB.

I'm not saying that other work wasn't done - i'm saying - that if the work coincides with information given.... and it matches why not.

The CIA and DOD both had 'psychic spy' programs - so they thought there is/was some validity to it.

[alkemical]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day :)

Dave, explain to me why then - i some how projected into my friends house and saw what she was watching on TV - this happened at random - but it is verifiable.

[elsid13]

I'm not saying that other work wasn't done - i'm saying - that if the work coincides with information given.... and it matches why not.

The CIA and DOD both had 'psychic spy' programs - so they thought there is/was some validity to it.

The CIA/DOD is full of engineers and scientists that read to much SF/Fantasy when the were kids and leaders that are willing to take money to try something new and "cool". CIA and DoD try out a lot stupid things because the project has cool name.

[alkemical]

The CIA/DOD is full of engineers and scientists that read to much SF/Fantasy when the were kids and leaders that are willing to take money to try something new and "cool". CIA and DoD try out a lot stupid things because the project has cool name.

Yeah, and we all know none of that's worked out, has it.

Look i know it's difficult for me to try to explain this - but this isn't supernatural - we all can do this to some extent....

i won't argue, because it's not easy to prove -

[TheDave]

Dave, explain to me why then - i some how projected into my friends house and saw what she was watching on TV - this happened at random - but it is verifiable.

Sorry but you could never in a million years get me to buy this.... The ability to "see", even to imprint an actual image into the brain requires a series of chemical and electrical events that are only triggered through a physical experience of said event. In my opinion this "projection" was nothing more than imagination and rationalisation of this imaginary event... JMO

[epicSocialism4tw]

Sorry but you could never in a million years get me to buy this.... The ability to "see", even to imprint an actual image into the brain requires a series of chemical and electrical events that are only triggered through a physical experience of said event. In my opinion this "projection" was nothing more than imagination and rationalisation of this imaginary event... JMO


Well, that's mostly true but not entirely.

There are examples of perceptionary events that are difficult to categorize that simply. The "phantom limb" experience is common in amputees, where the neural networks that operated the sensory and motor divisions that supported the former limb create the impression to the brain that the limb is still there. Many of these involve phantom pain. You are perceiving based on the former associations of neurons that isnt there. Your brain integrates the information into normal processing functions. You are perceiving something that was once there, but is not there any longer.

You also have intuitive events that still lie uninterpreted by science. Things like shared feelings connected to emotionally charged events separated by space.

If you believe that resonances are the name of the game in the universe, you believe that brain waves (albeit weak) have a measureable effect on the rest of the matter in their environment. This leaves open the possibility of innate radio-like functions within our brains. This isnt too far fetched theoretically. We have other senses that work by harvesting information from waves.

[BroncsRule]

There is something to remote viewing.

That said, Uri Geller is a fraud. He's a self promoting street magician who claims his tricks are real.

They got Saddam through good old fashioned leg work.

[alkemical]

Sorry but you could never in a million years get me to buy this.... The ability to "see", even to imprint an actual image into the brain requires a series of chemical and electrical events that are only triggered through a physical experience of said event. In my opinion this "projection" was nothing more than imagination and rationalisation of this imaginary event... JMO



Dave, if all matter is a lower from of energy - then why would it be impossible for someone to manipulate the energy behind the matter in order to change or view events?


http://altreligion.about.com/library/texts/sealsolomon.jpg

[alkemical]

Well, that's mostly true but not entirely.

There are examples of perceptionary events that are difficult to categorize that simply. The "phantom limb" experience is common in amputees, where the neural networks that operated the sensory and motor divisions that supported the former limb create the impression to the brain that the limb is still there. Many of these involve phantom pain. You are perceiving based on the former associations of neurons that isnt there. Your brain integrates the information into normal processing functions. You are perceiving something that was once there, but is not there any longer.

You also have intuitive events that still lie uninterpreted by science. Things like shared feelings connected to emotionally charged events separated by space.

If you believe that resonances are the name of the game in the universe, you believe that brain waves (albeit weak) have a measureable effect on the rest of the matter in their environment. This leaves open the possibility of innate radio-like functions within our brains. This isnt too far fetched theoretically. We have other senses that work by harvesting information from waves.


I believe the bio-electric field around the human body, is really what others call the aura. My friend in MA and i have a bond where we can see or feel things we project to.

[alkemical]

There is something to remote viewing.

That said, Uri Geller is a fraud. He's a self promoting street magician who claims his tricks are real.

They got Saddam through good old fashioned leg work.

I'm not a fan of Uri - but it was interesting to me.

[elsid13]

I believe the bio-electric field around the human body, is really what others call the aura. My friend in MA and i have a bond where we can see or feel things we project to.

Is she good looking? because I attempting to bond to some Brazilian supermodel and just ain't working, any tips? :yayaya:

[alkemical]

Is she good looking? because I attempting to bond to some Brazilian supermodel and just ain't working, any tips? :yayaya:

lol - nah we found out we were able to talk without words.

[elsid13]

lol - nah we found out we were able to talk without words.

Oh that what you kids the days are calling it.

[alkemical]

Oh that what you kids the days are calling it.

I've known her since i was 14, we just found out one day we can actually talk without so much using words. Real conversations.

[alkemical]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day :)

Oh yeah, two more things dave - i just remembered them.

A) Not if the clock is digital

B) there is no spoon.

;)

have a good day lol

[TheDave]

Oh yeah, two more things dave - i just remembered them.

A) Not if the clock is digital

B) there is no spoon.

;)

have a good day lol

points for the matrix reset :thumbs:

[alkemical]

I know that you are very much a skeptic dave - i don't think there's a way i can really give you any proof.

To be honest, i feel there is a scientific explanation - i just don't know how to find a way to prove it. I don't believe it would be 'supernatural' - i think it's a natural way it works.

So by saying it's a brain/chemical thing - yes i do believe that - I just can't explain as to HOW or WHY it can work and does work.

I think the current modeling of science is behind a little bit on that type of 'technology'.

[TheDave]

I know that you are very much a skeptic dave - i don't think there's a way i can really give you any proof.

To be honest, i feel there is a scientific explanation - i just don't know how to find a way to prove it. I don't believe it would be 'supernatural' - i think it's a natural way it works.

So by saying it's a brain/chemical thing - yes i do believe that - I just can't explain as to HOW or WHY it can work and does work.

I think the current modeling of science is behind a little bit on that type of 'technology'.

So... for my understanding, you say that you can see and/or feel what your friend sees and/or feels from a distance. How do these images or feelings present themselves... First person (through his eyes), third person (overhead view similiar to a video game). Give me a little more detail as to how these events play out.

[alkemical]

So... for my understanding, you say that you can see and/or feel what your friend sees and/or feels from a distance. How do these images or feelings present themselves... First person (through his eyes), third person (overhead view similiar to a video game). Give me a little more detail as to how these events play out.



Ok i'll do my best for the last incident:

We were both on the phone talking. We do this thing were it's like a game. Where it's like we both talk, and we keep our eyes closed and talk to each other. Eventually it's like a picture you are looking at, but it's sort of underwater. It's a bit fuzzy (not clear) and i can make out what is going on.

So i was able to get a 'glimpse' (it's not extended, it's very short and very simple) - and i saw she was watching law & order, wearing grey sweat pants and a green shirt.

So through the convo i asked if she was wearing grey pants with a green shirt - and she was.

So it's kind of a 'swimmy' picture and very brief - 3-5 seconds.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Ok i'll do my best for the last incident:

We were both on the phone talking. We do this thing were it's like a game. Where it's like we both talk, and we keep our eyes closed and talk to each other. Eventually it's like a picture you are looking at, but it's sort of underwater. It's a bit fuzzy (not clear) and i can make out what is going on.

So i was able to get a 'glimpse' (it's not extended, it's very short and very simple) - and i saw she was watching law & order, wearing grey sweat pants and a green shirt.

So through the convo i asked if she was wearing grey pants with a green shirt - and she was.

So it's kind of a 'swimmy' picture and very brief - 3-5 seconds.


Josh, LSD is bad for your brain. ;D

[alkemical]

Josh, LSD is bad for your brain. ;D

LOL -

Nah, most of this happened when i figured out how to turn on the crown chakra at will -

[BroncsRule]

You leave that crown chakra alone!

Nasty monkey!

FWIW I have had similar experiences Ames.

[alkemical]

LOL & cool