Shanahan Didn't Give The Broncos a Chance To Win This Game

[Bronco_Beerslug]

One of the worst coaching decisions I've ever seen.
Yeah, Plummer was sh*tty....again, but with 3 minutes and two TOs left he goes for a 4th and 4 on OUR own 38. What's worse is if you've decided you're not going to punt the ball to them again, why do you call a deep pass attempt to a rookie on 3rd and 4?

Shanahan's end game play calling and use of the clock has pissed me off before (Colts game the last time) but this was one the worst calls I've seen by a Broncos coach, ever.

[riiiiick]

up 24-7, then 24-14, we had 2 3 and outs (?) with 5 passes called (i think?)? 5 run plays take at least 2+ mins off the clock and the run game was busting some runs. that was the worst 2 series of play calling, imo, we took what 10 secs off the clock w/ a 10 pt lead!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

up 24-7, then 24-14, we had 2 3 and outs (?) with 5 passes called (i think?)? 5 run plays take at least 2+ mins off the clock and the run game was busting some runs. that was the worst 2 series of play calling, imo, we took what 10 secs off the clock w/ a 10 pt lead!
Even with that it's still a one point game with over 3 minutes to play. Shanahan needs new glasses or a some time some where to get his head right (maybe someone else to call plays).

[Drek]

One of the worst coaching decisions I've ever seen.
Yeah, Plummer was sh*tty....again, but with 3 minutes and two TOs left he goes for a 4th and 4 on OUR own 38. What's worse is if you've decided you're not going to punt the ball to them again, why do you call a deep pass attempt to a rookie on 3rd and 4?

Shanahan's end game play calling and use of the clock has pissed me off before (Colts game the last time) but this was one the worst calls I've seen by a Broncos coach, ever.

You can't be serious. Your example is horrible. Marshall was open, Plummer flat out missed him on a throw high school QBs could make.

Shanahan's decision to pass three straight downs on two different drives was the one bad decision he made. As for coaching decisions as a whole, not covering LT in the passing game, putting Foxworth on Gates, and not letting Tomlinson score on SD's last drive much sooner were our big **** ups.

What ultimately killed us though is the same thing that ultimately killed us against Indy. Jake just can't handle 3rd downs or consistent 4th quarter play anymore.

[fontaine]

up 24-7, then 24-14, we had 2 3 and outs (?) with 5 passes called (i think?)?


Yeah, imagine that. Asking a starting QB to throw the ball f-o-r-w-a-r-d in this day and age!

I'm telling you more and more offenses will catch on to this so called "forward handoff" or p-a-s-s philosophy and ask their QBs to actually p-a-s-s the ball once in a while!

What an ingenious concept!

-Edit-

I just had a quick look around the rest of the games this weekend. And you'll never believe it! Other QBs are passing the ball forward too! And believe it or not on 3rd downs as well! Especially when defenses are "stacking the box" against the run, whatever that is.

I'll have to check the league rules to make sure this "forward pass" isn't a fumble or something the refs are overlooking. But if it's true and you are actually allowed to throw the ball forward then it could revolutionize the QB position forever!

Question: Do you think Plummer has what it takes to you know, p-a-s-s the ball foward?

[NaptownChief]

Shanny didn't give you guys a chance the moment he decided to put Plummit under center again this year. That guy is woeful. He is Ron Mexico without the really strong arm and great speed.

[Hugga Bunch]

He is Ron Mexico without the really strong arm and great speed.

Or the herpes (allegedly);)

[rugbythug]

shanny was playing to win, You prefer him to "Play not to Loose".

[fontaine]

Or the herpes (allegedly);)

We don't know that about Plummer for sure!

As a matter of fact, it looks more and more like Plummer is playing with some kind of mental or physical affliction anyway.

:rofl:

[NaptownChief]

Or the herpes (allegedly);)


I'll take your word for it cause I don't won't to find out first hand whether Jake has them or not. ;D

[Orange_Beard]

I agree. I think Shanny is vexed. He does not trust Plummer and he has too much pride to put in Cutler.
It really shows, his play calling looks confused.

[Mile High Shack]

www.fireshanahan.com for you slug

also, would you trust Coyer to make any adjustements to stop SD???

[cmhargrove]

I would like to have seen more Nash in the second half - I don't think we really played out our run game. We were starting to put together our best running game of the year, then we quit.
However, i don't fault the play calling one bit. I believe Shanahan called plays, the guys were open where they were supposed to be, and the ball didn't get there.
Playoff teams need to be able to convert on 3rd downs on the ground, or in the air depending on the competition. The plays were there, the calls would have won us the game if they were properly executed. A starting NFL QB has to make those throws.
The question you must ask yourself, were receivers open and available on those key plays? I believe that for the most part the answer was yes (except for a couple of the deep balls to Walker where he was double covered). Once again, I believe that it is the QB's job to identify that double coverage and hit the open guys on shorter routes to keep the drive going.

[watermock]

Calling passing plays wasn't the problem. It's that Jake can't hit the broad side of a barn half the time.

[Rohirrim]

IMO, Shanahan made some excellent calls. I don't think he has the players to execute those calls - starting at the QB position. Frankly, I can't remember ever seeing an NFL QB who throws so badly as Jake.

[Drek]

www.fireshanahan.com for you slug

also, would you trust Coyer to make any adjustements to stop SD???

Coyer's done just fine against SD every other time he faced them. When a team is starting near the 50 for almost every drive (thanks to the offense and STs) it gets really easy for them to work a couple first downs and hand off to Tomlinson.

Coyer lost his primary weapon against SD though, Sam Brandon. The Big Nickle was crucial to defending them well, as it let us take Gates largely out of the game. Foxworth wasn't up to the task and as a result Gates came up huge in the 4th quarter.

Can't blame Coyer for the offense leaving his boys with their backs to a short field and missing some reliable veterans.

[Mile High Shack]

Coyer's done just fine against SD every other time he faced them. When a team is starting near the 50 for almost every drive (thanks to the offense and STs) it gets really easy for them to work a couple first downs and hand off to Tomlinson.

Coyer lost his primary weapon against SD though, Sam Brandon. The Big Nickle was crucial to defending them well, as it let us take Gates largely out of the game. Foxworth wasn't up to the task and as a result Gates came up huge in the 4th quarter.

Can't blame Coyer for the offense leaving his boys with their backs to a short field and missing some reliable veterans.


99 yard TD drives are short drives?
and 28 2nd half points is good?

interesting

[fontaine]

99 yard TD drives are short drives?
and 28 2nd half points is good?

interesting

The D gave up ONE td drive in the first half and it was from the SD 1.

The rest of the four TDs came:
SD 40 Touchdown
SD 42 Touchdown
SD 45 Touchdown
DEN 23 Touchdown

Guess who coughed up the ball near/in the red zone again?

It must be Larry Coyer and the D's fault that 4/5 San Diego TD drives started almost at midfield or better right?

After all, I'm sure some of those D players also play in ST right! And Coyer must watch the ST practices right?

IT'S COYER'S FAULT!
:clown:

By the way, in case you want to stop the bs for a while take a look at when our D shut down SD:

SD 22 Punt
SD 49 Interception
SD 36 Punt
SD 41 Punt
SD 20 Interception

Guess what? When SD didn't get primetime field position, our D shut them down, and in one case got a key Int and in another forced a punt!

Overall, our D did play poorly in the 2nd half but they were backed into a corner with crappy field position or Plummer sabotaging this team again.

[Mile High Shack]

The D gave up ONE td drive in the first half and it was from the SD 1.

The rest of the four TDs came:
SD 40 Touchdown
SD 42 Touchdown
SD 45 Touchdown
DEN 23 Touchdown

Guess who coughed up the ball near/in the red zone again?

It must be Larry Coyer and the D's fault that 4/5 San Diego TD drives started almost at midfield or better right?

After all, I'm sure some of those D players also play in ST right! And Coyer must watch the ST practices right?

IT'S COYER'S FAULT!
:clown:

By the way, in case you want to stop the bs for a while take a look at when our D shut down SD:

SD 22 Punt
SD 49 Interception
SD 36 Punt
SD 41 Punt
SD 20 Interception

Guess what? When SD didn't get primetime field position, our D shut them down, and in case got a key Int and in another forced a punt!

it's a combination of Coyer and Jake's fault, to pin this one soley on one player is laughable

why couldn't the special teams play better and stop SD from getting better field position???

why couldn't just ONCE we stop the SD offense from driving it down our throats in the 2nd half (besides the INT), so they have it at the 40 yard line...can we not force a 3 and out..maybe just ONCE????????????

heaven forbid the defense do anything

look at this point, it's obvious Jake is not a good QB, he has lost any confidence he ever had, changes need to be made

but for you defensive apologists to keep trying to defend Coyer is about as bad as someone trying to say Jake is a good QB.

[Drek]

99 yard TD drives are short drives?
and 28 2nd half points is good?

interesting

You mean one 99 yard drive right? Only one. Everything else (as was just pointed out) had SD starting near the 50.

We run a bend but don't break D. It allows us to cause turnovers and prevent red zone touchdowns. To that extent our D need breathing room for that strategy to be effective. The offense had too many 3 and outs, the STs weren't tackling anybody. Together they put us in poor field position all night long against a team that can pound away with Tomlinson when they get close to the endzone.

The D wasn't great by any stretch, not having Brandon let Gates run wild in the 4th quarter, Darrent Williams is getting owned week after week and Coyer still isn't making the adjustment, there are obviously problems and I think sometimes Coyer gets too cute trying to mask them. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, we have a solid unit that could be great if Williams steps up, we address our weak pass rushing DL (Dumervil might help down the road there) and find a safety who is active in making plays to take Ferguson's place.

[Rascal]

One of the worst coaching decisions I've ever seen.
Yeah, Plummer was sh*tty....again, but with 3 minutes and two TOs left he goes for a 4th and 4 on OUR own 38. What's worse is if you've decided you're not going to punt the ball to them again, why do you call a deep pass attempt to a rookie on 3rd and 4?

Shanahan's end game play calling and use of the clock has pissed me off before (Colts game the last time) but this was one the worst calls I've seen by a Broncos coach, ever.

Because he knew the defense could not stop the chargers. They would have marched right down the field using all the time and still scored.

[Mile High Shack]

You mean one 99 yard drive right? Only one. Everything else (as was just pointed out) had SD starting near the 50.

We run a bend but don't break D. It allows us to cause turnovers and prevent red zone touchdowns. To that extent our D need breathing room for that strategy to be effective. The offense had too many 3 and outs, the STs weren't tackling anybody. Together they put us in poor field position all night long against a team that can pound away with Tomlinson when they get close to the endzone.

The D wasn't great by any stretch, not having Brandon let Gates run wild in the 4th quarter, Darrent Williams is getting owned week after week and Coyer still isn't making the adjustment, there are obviously problems and I think sometimes Coyer gets too cute trying to mask them. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, we have a solid unit that could be great if Williams steps up, we address our weak pass rushing DL (Dumervil might help down the road there) and find a safety who is active in making plays to take Ferguson's place.

I appreciate your view and I can see your point, but I simply can't agree with you.

The past 4 years we have drafted and got FAs basically mainly on defense...we are suppose to be a defensive first team, but that has NEVER happened.

the one constant?

Larry Coyer

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I appreciate your view and I can see your point, but I simply can't agree with you.

The past 4 years we have drafted and got FAs basically mainly on defense...we are suppose to be a defensive first team, but that has NEVER happened.

the one constant?

Larry Coyer

Doesn't matter if they go get CBs and LBs, Shanahan still nickel and dimes the DL by trying to go with castoffs and low picks. I count 5 Day 1 picks used on DL the entire time Shanny has been here (Pryce, Reagor, Toviessi, Heyward, and Davis). Nothing will change until Shanahan finds a pass-rusher.

[Mile High Shack]

Doesn't matter if they go get CBs and LBs, Shanahan still nickel and dimes the DL by trying to go with castoffs and low picks. I count 5 Day 1 picks used on DL the entire time Shanny has been here (Pryce, Reagor, Toviessi, Heyward, and Davis). Nothing will change until Shanahan finds a pass-rusher.

that I can agree with you on

our Dline is pretty bad

[Rascal]

Doesn't matter if they go get CBs and LBs, Shanahan still nickel and dimes the DL by trying to go with castoffs and low picks. I count 5 Day 1 picks used on DL the entire time Shanny has been here (Pryce, Reagor, Toviessi, Heyward, and Davis). Nothing will change until Shanahan finds a pass-rusher.

Hopefully this is the year where that changes.

With the play of our RB's and tackles I think it's clear we no longer need to address those positions. We could possibly use another WR, safeties are a definant need, but other then that I think it's obvious that the weakest point on this team is the d-line.

I hate to say it, but it's becoming obvious how much we miss Trevor Pryce. They ran on the edge of our defense all game long and we couldn't stop it.

[Traveler]

IMO, Shanahan made some excellent calls. I don't think he has the players to execute those calls - starting at the QB position. Frankly, I can't remember ever seeing an NFL QB who throws so badly as Jake.

I can...and his name is SOB!:yayaya:

[broncosteven]

Shanny didn't give you guys a chance the moment he decided to put Plummit under center again this year. That guy is woeful. He is Ron Mexico without the really strong arm and great speed.

REP!

We will lose to Cheefs because of Blunder not because the D will let LJ run free for 150 yards & 3 TDs. Blunder will have a chance to win it late & crap down his leg & give the game away.

I still do not see how Shanny cannot see just how innaccurate Blunder is & still allow him to go out & play! Shanny is at fault for this season.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

www.fireshanahan.com for you slug

also, would you trust Coyer to make any adjustements to stop SD???
Do be an asshole. Shanahan is brilliant most of the time. Think about that play calling logically. It's an absolute loss if we didn't convert 4th and 4. If you've decided not to punt then why not run on 3rd down and 4th if needed instead of passing DEEP down field to a rookie? That was horrible game management!

Punting was the right thing to do though even if the D wasn't stopping them in the second half. You have them back in the other end of the field with two TO's left and the the 2 minute warning. Anything can happen from that point, a fumble, INT, we stop them or we don't but we at least give ourselves a chance.

[Mile High Shack]

Do be an a-hole. Shanahan is brilliant most of the time. Think about that play calling logically. It's an absolute loss if we didn't convert 4th and 4. If you've decided not to punt then why not run on 3rd down and 4th if needed instead of passing DEEP down field to a rookie? That was horrible game management!

Punting was the right thing to do though even if the D wasn't stopping them in the second half. You have them back in the other end of the field with two TO's left and the the 2 minute warning. Anything can happen from that point, a fumble, INT, we stop them or we don't but we at least give ourselves a chance.

you seem to be constantly ripping shanny lately, so I was trying point you to a good website you might like :)

but seriously though, do you think, even if we did punt, based on how our D and special teams was playing...that we would've stopped SD from running out the clock on us?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

you seem to be constantly ripping shanny lately, so I was trying point you to a good website you might like :)

but seriously though, do you think, even if we did punt, based on how our D and special teams was playing...that we would've stopped SD from running out the clock on us?
I don't know but putting the game on Plummer's shoulders on a fourth and 4 at our own 38 was the worse, by far, choice!!!

[Mile High Shack]

I don't know but putting the game on Plummer's shoulders on a fourth and 4 at our own 38 was the worse, by far, choice!!!

I think that shows you just how much Shanny doesn't trust our _efense

[broncosteven]

I don't know but putting the game on Plummer's shoulders on a fourth and 4 at our own 38 was the worse, by far, choice!!!

Who's shoulders should it have been on? The D could not stop any one. were you going to run for 4 on 4th down or Punt?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Who's shoulders should it have been on? The D could not stop any one. were you going to run for 4 on 4th down or Punt?
What? I explained this more than once already.

[DHBRONCO]

I have been disapointed with the play calling in particular, this game and against the Colts. This game, not one bootleg. In the old days with TD, he ran it down there throats when the running game was producing. In this game, it was producing and what do we do, come out throwing and to many two three and outs. Unbelievable to me. That defense was sucking wind at the end of the first half, plus they were banged up. The second half should have been totally committed to the run. Old days, run run run, control the clock, put the other team one dimensional. Instead the come out passing. To call a pass play on third and four, when you are planning on going for it on fourth, horrible call to pass. Run the ball on third down and then see where you are at. Pretty sure you would have at least got two to three yards and could call any play you wanted on fourth. To me the play calling is totally different the last year. They are not playing into Jake strenghths of moving outside the pocket. He is not a drop back quarterback and to me it seems like they are preparing the line for that type of a quarterback which will be Cutler. If that is the case, let Cutler play. And are special teams sucks.

[cmhargrove]

The D wasn't great by any stretch, not having Brandon let Gates run wild in the 4th quarter, Darrent Williams is getting owned week after week and Coyer still isn't making the adjustment, there are obviously problems and I think sometimes Coyer gets too cute trying to mask them. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, we have a solid unit that could be great if Williams steps up, we address our weak pass rushing DL (Dumervil might help down the road there) and find a safety who is active in making plays to take Ferguson's place.

2 things about Darrent. Didn't he get a pick six??? That was 100% individual effort and Darrent's speed. You could see he had studied the situation and was reacting aggressively - it's hard to teach that.
Second, you tell me which CB in the league can defend a pass and catch like that one? It was nearly perfect, high ball thrown to a spot for the receiver only, feet barely touch in bounds. I can't say Darrent was "owned" in this game. I think the only one who has owned him was Manning/Wayne.
Our D-backs are fine if we generate more pressure up front.