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Taco John

11-20-2006, 06:24 AM

Here are a couple of video post game reactions from Plummer.

http://www.cbs4denver.com/video/?id=24660@kcnc.dayport.com

http://www.cbs4denver.com/video/?id=24657@kcnc.dayport.com

HEAV

11-20-2006, 09:15 AM

Try watching Al Wilson's movie. You will hear the real reason the Broncos lost. Four straight drives for touchdowns!

F you and your Plummer bashing TJ. Get a clue.

OrangeShadow

11-20-2006, 09:25 AM

when the offense goes 3 and out so many times including their first two offensive possesions how the hell is it not jakes fault? Heav you are way off base there.

Turf Shaman

11-20-2006, 10:36 AM

Both Jake and the defense contributed to this loss. Everyone say it all together now. Jake has just been sucking far more consistently this season than the defense has, so there is more reason to believe he is a bigger problem.

Broncos4tw

11-20-2006, 10:43 AM

Yea.. because it's our defenses job to stop their O no matter what right? Even when they are on the field for almost an entire half eh? I'm sure our D hates playing with Jake. They know they have a few minutes tops to rest, and they are right back out there. And then again. And again. Yea.. it's all our defenses fault, Jake's incredibly crappy play has nothing to do with it.

And when in the hell is our offense going to pull one out for our defense? It's the DUTY of our defense to win all these guys? How about some offensive accountability? And Jake just flat out sucks. Used to be ok, this year, he is terrible.

Bashing Jake? Try stating obvious facts. Try listening to the AM radio shows in the morning. EVERY ANALYST to a man says the same thing: JAKE STINKS!

Wake up and take off the blinders.

Taco John

11-20-2006, 11:31 AM

Try watching Al Wilson's movie. You will hear the real reason the Broncos lost. Four straight drives for touchdowns!

F you and your Plummer bashing TJ. Get a clue.

Screw you. Plummer sucks. I was right all this time.

Hotrod

11-20-2006, 11:33 AM

Try watching Al Wilson's movie. You will hear the real reason the Broncos lost. Four straight drives for touchdowns!

F you and your Plummer bashing TJ. Get a clue.

Sorry Heav I'm usually with you but its over man. Jake is done in Denver. Hes a joke

Rohirrim

11-20-2006, 11:33 AM

What about STs? Talk about coughing up the field position game. Here, I'll spot you a couple of Bishops and we'll play some chess. Right.

Mile High Shack

11-20-2006, 11:34 AM

Screw you. Plummer sucks. I was right all this time.

at this point I'd say option b

everyone is right ;)

Plummer sucks and so does our D

Play2win

11-20-2006, 11:36 AM

When in crunch time, a player is given opportunity after opportunity to come through, and all he does is fold like a wet noodle, time and time again- all in the same game; It is time for the guy to go.

Jake cracked under pressure in so many different ways at the end of the chargers game, it isn't even funny. He wasn't getting overly pressured by the charger's defense, it was all just jake. He was nervous, rattled and it showed. Jake flubbed this one up but good. It reminds me of a DREW LITTON cartoon.

wolf754life

11-20-2006, 11:39 AM

HEAV, stop being a homer, take off the orange and blue goggles, its over............................

Plummer is playing so terribly, its big boy football, the chargers bring so much to the table on O....

LT is the next barry sanders type, Rivers is quickly entering his own, 11 for 13 in the second half, Gates is an impact TE, and a great big O-Line.

To win in the NFL sometimes you have to outscore the other team, last night was a prime example...........

The mistake has to go bye bye now!

Taco John

11-20-2006, 11:42 AM

at this point I'd say option b

everyone is right ;)

Plummer sucks and so does our D

Nah. I think our defense is championship calibre. I think you're wrong about them. They struggled for sure, but they were also facing the best runningback in the league, in one of the best offenses in the league. We're not going to win many games against teams like the Colts and the Chargers if we can't get any passing efficiency going to take pressure off the defense and put it on the opposing offense. Plummer had a chance to step on their throats, and couldn't do anything with the opportunity. Our offense took exactly two minutes off the clock in the first half. That's a joke!

We absolutely need to address the defensive line situation. But there's nothing wrong with the coach that adding talent wont fix. The guy has done everything that's been asked of him short of suiting up.

Mile High Shack

11-20-2006, 11:46 AM

Nah. I think our defense is championship calibre. I think you're wrong about them. They struggled for sure, but they were also facing the best runningback in the league, in one of the best offenses in the league. We're not going to win many games against teams like the Colts and the Chargers if we can't get any passing efficiency going to take pressure off the defense and put it on the opposing offense. Plummer had a chance to step on their throats, and couldn't do anything with the opportunity. Our offense took exactly two minutes off the clock in the first half. That's a joke!

We absolutely need to address the defensive line situation. But there's nothing wrong with the coach that adding talent wont fix. The guy has done everything that's been asked of him short of suiting up.

I appreciate your position TJ, I just can't agree

I've seen 2 defenses the past 2 weeks shut down Payaton, while we couldn't

I've also seen Bmore shut down SD, while we couldn't

the fact remains (at least in my eyes) that Coyer is not the answer, he is constantly over matched against good offenses

I know our dline sucks, but c'mon, try something different.

ScottXray

11-20-2006, 12:00 PM

I appreciate your position TJ, I just can't agree

I've seen 2 defenses the past 2 weeks shut down Payaton, while we couldn't

I've also seen Bmore shut down SD, while we couldn't

the fact remains (at least in my eyes) that Coyer is not the answer, he is constantly over matched against good offenses

I know our dline sucks, but c'mon, try something different.

Bmore didn't shut down SD...Marty did. Since he let Rivers go crazy the cahargers have been mauling everyone.

We DO have problems on D...lack of a pass rush is the biggest, and yes some of the defensive calls were WTF????, Also the ST have sucked, except Elam. But the OFFENSE is the part of the team that has not done ITS job...SCORE.

kamakazi_kal

11-20-2006, 12:06 PM

im more confident the defense can bounce back..........does anyone think JOKE can?

Taco John

11-20-2006, 12:12 PM

As far as the videos go, Jake seems to have lost his fire. The guy sits there looking like a beat down dog, absolutely listless, and doesn't seem to have any fire in him at all. He is truly a lame duck at this point. He knows it's over for him in Denver. He's just going through the motions.

Mile High Shack

11-20-2006, 12:14 PM

Bmore didn't shut down SD...Marty did. Since he let Rivers go crazy the cahargers have been mauling everyone.

We DO have problems on D...lack of a pass rush is the biggest, and yes some of the defensive calls were WTF????, Also the ST have sucked, except Elam. But the OFFENSE is the part of the team that has not done ITS job...SCORE.

Plummer is only 1/2 of the equation that isn't working right now

seeing Indy get shut down by 2 mediocre defenses the past 2 weeks really points out the flaws with our team

Rascal

11-20-2006, 12:50 PM

TheDave

11-20-2006, 12:57 PM

People will realize it's not just Plummer when our defense continues to give it up like cheap whores against better then average offenses. Maybe then they will realize it...or they will ask for Jake again. LOL

Where do people get this from.... SD is the number 1 offense in the NFL with the offensive MVP of the league playing for them. The other offense we "laid down" for was Peyton Manning who is occasionaly being called the best that ever played. The 2 best offensive weapons in the NFL had career days against us... Some times you need to match points in this league and our offense once again stalled at 17.

Taco John

11-20-2006, 12:59 PM

Mile High Shack

11-20-2006, 01:00 PM

Where do people get this from.... SD is the number 1 offense in the league with the offenseive MVP of the league playing for them. The other offense we "laid down" for was Peyton Manning who is occationly being called the best that ever played. The 2 best offensive weapons in the NFL had career days against us... Some times you need to match points in this league and our offense once again stalled at 17.

and if you can't see that our defense continues to struggle against good offenses, then you have your blinders on

I think everyone agrees it's time to move on from Plummer, but for these defensive apologists to keep trying to defend our _efense is really quite laughable

titan

11-20-2006, 01:01 PM

The broncos pass D was exposed in the AFC championship game last year, and despite the impressive record of not giving up alot of td's early this season those flaws are still there. A good qb can pick apart this secondary. The cornerback opposite Champ (be it Williams or Foxworth) can't cover one on one and the safeties are too slow to help much in coverage. The team can't generate enough of a pass rush to compensate for the weak (other than champ) secondary.

This D is good but not great - no way as good as the Orange Crush D in the 70's.

Shanahan in his post game talk to the team did not look happy (if you saw it on Channel 4's 10:30 pm show last night). I don't see any major changes this week because of the short week but can see changes coming for the Seattle game.

TheDave

11-20-2006, 01:03 PM

and if you can't see that our defense continues to struggle against good offenses, then you have your blinders on

I think everyone agrees it's time to move on from Plummer, but for these defensive apologists to keep trying to defend our _efense is really quite laughable

Before last nights game we were the #1 Defense in the league in the only stat that matters... POINTS

Now we are #2... Please explain to me how that is "struggling"

Rascal

11-20-2006, 01:05 PM

How many teams have held the colts under 30? How many under 17? You guys act like it's impossible and we should expect our defense to give up 30 points, sorry if I expect more from a unit that we have spent a considerable number of FA signings and draft picks on.

Popps

11-20-2006, 01:06 PM

Mile High Shack

11-20-2006, 01:06 PM

Before last nights game we were the #1 Defense in the league in the only stat that matters... POINTS

Now we are #2... Please explain to me how that is "struggling"

when you play the Raiders 2xs
the Browns once
the chiefs with Huards first start
the Rams before they changed their offense to something Bulger was more familiar with (1st game of season)
a bad Bmore offense before they switched to Billick calling plays

it all adds up dude

add in the fact that all the game film is in, people know what to do against our _efense and Coyer CAN NOT adjust now...you have what you have

ludo21

11-20-2006, 01:09 PM

Rascal

11-20-2006, 01:09 PM

Before last nights game we were the #1 Defense in the league in the only stat that matters... POINTS

Now we are #2... Please explain to me how that is "struggling"

Playing Cleveland, Oakland twice, and Baltimore you should be near the top.

Ignoring Oakland our defense has given up 89 points in three games.

Mile High Shack

11-20-2006, 01:11 PM

ok, I'm going to say something almost blasphemous here

but

I'd rather have the chiefs defense than ours at this point

how about that?

Taco John

11-20-2006, 01:15 PM

ok, I'm going to say something almost blasphemous here

but

I'd rather have the chiefs defense than ours at this point

how about that?

That sounds about right. I knew you were out there, but I didn't think you had gone completely bananas. But apparently, you have.

That explains a lot.

Mile High Shack

11-20-2006, 01:19 PM

That sounds about right. I knew you were out there, but I didn't think you had gone completely bananas. But apparently, you have.

That explains a lot.

chiefs can get pressure on QB, we can't

maybe I'm being extreme here, but, besides that 45 point game against Pitt, they have been pretty solid really

that is just how much less I think of Coyer at this point

I think the man is a baffoon

Rascal

11-20-2006, 01:23 PM

BTW the person that said our defense was second is wrong, it's fourth.

TheDave

11-20-2006, 01:28 PM

when you play the Raiders 2xs
the Browns once
the chiefs with Huards first start
the Rams before they changed their offense to something Bulger was more familiar with (1st game of season)
a bad Bmore offense before they switched to Billick calling plays

it all adds up dude

add in the fact that all the game film is in, people know what to do against our _efense and Coyer CAN NOT adjust now...you have what you have

I love how both the guys from Oklahoma have a "reason" for our defensive stats but the fact that we played a Chargers defense with out their 2 best players and a secondary that Palmer just carved up for 450 yards doesn't come into play. Our offense has had sevewral chances to get fat on sub-par D's and hasn't done it. On the other hand our D has bailed us out all year long and as soon as they need our offense to score more than 17 we put the blame on them... Nice double standard guys

Taco John

11-20-2006, 01:32 PM

BTW the person that said our defense was second is wrong, it's fourth.

So we have a top five defense against scoring in the league, and a bottom half scoring offense, and the problem is our defense?

Why can't the offense help out the defense in the second half and step on SD's throat with a big play? You know how many incomplete passes Plummer threw to Walker? Five of them. What happens if the QB is accurate and three of those get completed?

Our offense had plenty of opportunity to step on their throats, and instead, they went for their own, choking.

Mile High Shack

11-20-2006, 01:49 PM

I love how both the guys from Oklahoma have a "reason" for our defensive stats but the fact that we played a Chargers defense with out their 2 best players and a secondary that Palmer just carved up for 450 yards doesn't come into play. Our offense has had sevewral chances to get fat on sub-par D's and hasn't done it. On the other hand our D has bailed us out all year long and as soon as they need our offense to score more than 17 we put the blame on them... Nice double standard guys

I think you aren't getting my point

Jake Plummer is a joke at this point...I'm done with him, he needs to go, he has no confidence and I think the team is going to turn on him soon...so yes, a change needs to be made there.

but until we fix our defensive woes, we are in trouble anyway and it won't matter if Elway is playing for us (ok..well maybe him ;) ) we are still going to give it up like cheap whores against better than average offenses

Rascal

11-20-2006, 01:55 PM

We scored 89 points in the same time frame BTW.

You look at it as our offense should have done more, well I realize that our offense did more then their average this season in each of those games but our defense failed to step up.

DeusExManning

11-20-2006, 02:01 PM

Unfortunately Jake played OK in the Indy and New England games and this gave us the false sense that we could stick with him. The time is now. Surprise the Chiefs, what do we have to lose. We are not going to win the super bowl anyway.

Rascal

11-20-2006, 02:10 PM

I love how both the guys from Oklahoma have a "reason" for our defensive stats but the fact that we played a Chargers defense with out their 2 best players and a secondary that Palmer just carved up for 450 yards doesn't come into play. Our offense has had sevewral chances to get fat on sub-par D's and hasn't done it. On the other hand our D has bailed us out all year long and as soon as they need our offense to score more than 17 we put the blame on them... Nice double standard guys

LOL

Shack says go ahead and replace him now, whereas I say replace Jake after the KC game. I didn't say our offense played well, I'm just not accepting the status quo from most people here about the defense not being the problem. Our defense has given up 89 points in the past three games (not counting Oakland) whereas we have scored 89 points in the same three games. Yet everybody blames Jake, who needs to be replaced, without considering that if our defense hadn't played like **** two of those three games we probably would have won.

If Dallas and for crying out loud the ****ing bills and Titans can keep the Colts under 20, why can't our supposedly awesome defense? Because it's overrated.

Unfortunately I honestly believe the rest of you will finally catch on after Cutler starts at QB and we continue to have the same problem.

TheDave

11-20-2006, 02:14 PM

Guys I don't disagree that our defense has a serious hole in it... PASS RUSH! But it is solid enough to get us where we want. No team in the NFL is perfect... Problem is our O is simply not scoring enough points. We have a top 5 running attack, Javon Walker and a still serviceable Rod Smith to work with here. The problem is our QB can't hit the broad side of a barn this year. Until I got to see first hand how good SD is no one in the nfc scarred me much. Now that i know how good their offense is we are never going to be able to keep this team to under 17 pts.... and with our offense that is the only way to win.

Rascal

11-20-2006, 02:14 PM

The recriminations, of course, will wash over them all.
The offense went off and on and off again when it counted most. The special teams were a disaster, suddenly drawing attention to the fact that they have been a disaster all year, camouflaged only by a stubborn defense.

But make no mistake: This one is on the headliners who have been catching rose petals all season.

A dominant defense, which the Broncos thought they had, does not blow a 24-7 second-half lead. It is that simple.

The Broncos tumbled from the top of the defensive mountain, and not only figuratively. They entered the game against San Diego with the best scoring defense in the NFL, having surrendered 111 points in nine games.

This morning, they are fourth, their 35-point self-immolation having dropped them behind Chicago and New England - both of which threw shutouts Sunday - as well as Jacksonville, which plays tonight.

Among good teams, sometimes you must go this deep into the season to figure out how good you are. In retrospect, a lot of that sterling early defense can be attributed to the competition. The defense looked wonderful against Kansas City with Damon Huard making his first start, against New England with Tom Brady adjusting to new receivers, against Baltimore, Oakland and Cleveland, mediocre offenses all.

But finally forced to play truly accomplished offenses, the Broncos, playing at home, have given up 34 points to Indianapolis and 35 to San Diego. This is understandable, these being the highest-scoring teams in the AFC, but it's not what a dominant defense does.

Nor does it lose its composure with bad penalties in crunch time, as it did in this one.

So I asked Mike Shanahan if he was surprised the defense he painstakingly built did not do a better job of controlling the game once the offense gave it a 17-point lead.

"Yeah, I thought we did at times," Shanahan said. "We gave them some life with the field position a couple of times after we did score. You give them the ball at midfield, they don't have that far to go.

"We did have our opportunities and they came up with a couple big plays and found a way to get it done in the second half. I've got to take my hat off to them because we had them really out of the game, if we'd have played our normal game, 24-7 there in the third quarter. Had the momentum and couldn't put 'em away."

Shanahan's reference to field position was just one of several expressions of disgust for his special teams, which have been waiting to sabotage the rest of his team for weeks.

You never notice special teams until they do something special, one way or the other, but the Broncos came into Sunday's game last in the NFL in kickoff returns and 29th - third from the bottom - in covering kickoffs.

And so it was that early in the fourth quarter, after a Jason Elam field goal had extended their lead to 27-21, the kickoff team gave up a 44-yard return to San Diego's Michael Turner, who went around outside containment as if it was there to watch.

If kicker Paul Ernster hadn't pushed him out of bounds, Turner might have gone all the way.

Then, with just over a minute left and the Chargers up eight, fullback Cecil Sapp inexplicably dove to catch Nate Kaeding's kickoff at the Broncos 2-yard line, guaranteeing the worst possible starting point for a final, desperate drive.

Sapp is not a kick returner. Neither is Mike Bell, who shared the duty. Neither, it is increasingly obvious, is Darrent Williams, who was drafted as a return man but developed into a starting cornerback instead.

The two men on the roster primarily to return kicks - Quincy Morgan and Brian Clark - were both inactive for Sunday night's game because they don't do much of anything else and neither had proven indispensable returning kicks.

So it should come as no surprise that the Broncos' average starting field position was their own 21, while the Chargers' was their 36. Drive by drive, that's a pretty big handicap.

Jake Plummer had another poor game, and it is almost impossible now to dispute that Shanahan's decision to draft his successor last spring sapped enough of Plummer's confidence to leave him a shell of the signal caller that put up generally excellent numbers a year ago.

But let's be honest about this: Shanahan has been investing in the other side of the ball for several years, having convinced himself that scoring defense was the NFL's holy grail in the new millennium.

History certainly backed him up. Of the six Super Bowl champions since 2000, three have led the league in scoring defense. None finished lower than sixth.

Just this year, he began to invest again in his neglected offense, drafting his quarterback of the future in Jay Cutler and making a brilliant trade with Green Bay for receiver Javon Walker.

Those investments will pay off down the line. But for now, this is a football team built to rely on its defense. And when a football team built to rely on its defense gives up 35 points at home to a division rival, that defense just isn't good enough.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/sports_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_83_5157370,00.html

Finger Roll

11-20-2006, 02:33 PM

It looked like he was about to cry in the second video.

Dagmar

11-20-2006, 02:39 PM

I don't understand it, everyone is arguing that it wasn't all on Jake. No Shlt guys, the D and special teams sucked.

But SO DID JAKE AGAIN! If the D, or special teams could be fixed by changing one player, we would be calling for that. But they can't.
However, the worst QB in the league CAN BE REPLACED.

Mile High Shack

11-20-2006, 02:42 PM

Ratboy

11-20-2006, 02:48 PM

Remember last season? I called for a replacement for Plummer and people thought i was nuts. Glad to see i'm not just 1 of a few.

Hotrod

11-20-2006, 02:57 PM

who isn't calling for plummer to get yanked at this point?

The rest of the AFC ;D

Bronco Bob

11-20-2006, 03:57 PM

Where do people get this from.... SD is the number 1 offense in the NFL with the offensive MVP of the league playing for them. The other offense we "laid down" for was Peyton Manning who is occasionaly being called the best that ever played. The 2 best offensive weapons in the NFL had career days against us... Some times you need to match points in this league and our offense once again stalled at 17.

And sometimes you need to do what Dallas did. Hold Peyton to 14 points
and then 21 points is more than enough to win the game, let alone the
31 points Denver scored against Indy. If Denver could have just gotten
Peyton off the field once before the ball got into the endzone the second
half, Denver would have won. If Denver could have gotten Tomlinson
off the field before he got into the endzone, Denver would have won.
Sure, it would be nice if Plummer got his head out of his ass and scored
more points last night. But it would have also been nice if a defense
built to stop the run would have stopped the run.

BigBad

11-20-2006, 03:59 PM

Mile High Shack

11-20-2006, 04:05 PM

Jetmeck

11-20-2006, 04:12 PM

Try watching Al Wilson's movie. You will hear the real reason the Broncos lost. Four straight drives for touchdowns!

F you and your Plummer bashing TJ. Get a clue.

You got a real problem with reality ? NO ONE has said it is acceptable for the defense to play like they did.

If you take your blinders off you'll see Plummer was just as bad. Missing open receivers, fumbling twice at very bad times and throwing a pick to end the game. He had 137 yards before the SD prevent D gave him a few more yards at the VERY END OF THE GAME.

How can you defend JAKE THE FAKE's ineptitude ?

dbfan4life

11-20-2006, 04:16 PM

at this point I'd say option b

everyone is right ;)

Plummer sucks and so does our D

The best explanation I've seen all day. Plummer bashers have a point, do those who blame the D.

Here's a stat that will blow all of you defenders of our D away.

Time of Possesion
Den - 30:49
SD - 29:11
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20061119_SD@DEN

Some does this reflect our D being tired because they we on the field for an entire half? I think not. Next excuse please.

Jetmeck

11-20-2006, 04:17 PM

You have to lose alot of respect for Plummer. Brees didnt run from a challenge when we drafted Rivers. In fact he had his best year. Some guys have a fire in their belly and some dont.

You guys need to cut your losses with Jake and move on.

I'll have to agree with you on Plummer. But Rivers is not
P.Mannings second coming like you believe. LT is what makes him.

Your team is very beatable as has been shown the last couple of weeks by being behind by double digits ?

How long do you think they can keep coming back like that ? Be honest ?

Congrats and enjoy your lead we'll be coming for it in three weeks.....hopefully with Jay Cutler behind center.

BigBad

11-20-2006, 04:23 PM

But Rivers is not
P.Mannings second coming like you believe. LT is what makes him..

You had to be impressed with his ability to shake off his mistakes and lead us back though.

Congrats and enjoy your lead we'll be coming for it in three weeks.....hopefully with Jay Cutler behind center.

Thanks and see you in 3 weeks.

fontaine

11-21-2006, 05:14 AM

People will realize it's not just Plummer when our defense continues to give it up like cheap whores against better then average offenses. Maybe then they will realize it...or they will ask for Jake again. LOL

Better than average offenses? This defense has played poorly against the Colts/Chargers. The top two offenses in the league.

Yes the Defense/ST played very poorly, but what I find interesting is that when it comes to defensive failures we're really talking about our front four and some of the secondary players, and we all know the dynamic of lack of pass rush = poor secondary play.

But on the other side Jake, singlehandedly manages to be a one man wrecking crew when it comes to stinkin' up the offense even though he has WRs, a solid Running game, and good protection. I still can't understand how he can consistently be the worst QB in the league even with a great running game, Walker/Smith, and a solid OL? It boggles the mind.

Kaylore

11-21-2006, 06:10 AM

Here are a couple of video post game reactions from Plummer.

http://www.cbs4denver.com/video/?id=24660@kcnc.dayport.com

http://www.cbs4denver.com/video/?id=24657@kcnc.dayport.com

Wow. Did anyone even watch these? I know this has become another "Blame Jake/Blame Defense" thread but therthey're worth a watch. The second one he's almost in tears. He knows it's over. That's the only thing that could make someone like that. I think we forget that Jake grew up a Broncos fan. That's pretty tough to have to watch your dream job fade away. I still think Jay should start but I feel sorry for Jake. It's sad to have been so high and fallen so low.

HEAV

11-21-2006, 09:37 AM

fontaine

11-21-2006, 10:07 AM

Funny thing is the Bears offense struggles yet they win?

The Dolphins offense struggles yet they play close with teams.

Jake at the offense scored verse the Colts, but the defense had zero sacks and zero turn overs. Anyone see the Cowboys getting pressure on Manning?

Anyone see the Super bowl where the Steelers QB was piss poor yet they won with defense?

Rex Grossman has played much better than Stink Plummer. Grossman only sucks when he gets hit hard and sacked this year. Unlike Plummer who sucks, well, all the time.

The Dolphins also keep losing. Next.

The Running Game had more TDs and more rushing yards than Stink Plummer did passing or TDs against the Colts. So much for "Jake and the offense"

Yes the Cowboys got pressure on Manning. Our pass rush sucks. But Romo has looked twice the QB that Joke has been all season.

Roethlisberger? He had a playoff stretch of 3 awesome individual performances and one lousy one in the SuperBowl.

We're still waiting for our 10 year vet to have two mediocre games back to back. His latest achievement was looking the other way when the ball was snapped in a shot gun formation.

You can lead a Bronco to water, but you can't stop Joke from choking on it.

dbfan4life

11-21-2006, 10:16 AM

This D was supposed to be put together to stop these potent offenses. I see several other teams that played well against Indy and SD, why couldn't we. Seriously, how can we sit back and watch this team give up 30+ in two losses against teams out D is supposed to be able to stop or at least slow down. 28 point in the second half is just plain pathetic and inexcusable. Blame Jake for his play, I'm right with you. But, the D deserves its lions share of the blame for that loss.

fontaine

11-21-2006, 10:18 AM

This D was supposed to be put together to stop these potent offenses. I see several other teams that played well against Indy and SD, why couldn't we.

Because those teams weren't tied down with a ball and chain called Joke Plummer.

HEAV

11-21-2006, 10:20 AM

Ya Font,

That's why the Phins have won 3 striaght games.

Have you watch a Bears game? Grossmen has been average. Only thing that saves him is the long ball.

Did you notice Big Ben ripped our great pass defense apart in the AFC game and a few weeks ago in Pittsburgh?

If Romo had the Broncos pass defense last Sunday he would have lost.

Rex Grossman has played much better than Stink Plummer. Grossman only sucks when he gets hit hard and sacked this year. Unlike Plummer who sucks, well, all the time.

The Dolphins also keep losing. Next.

The Running Game had more TDs and more rushing yards than Stink Plummer did passing or TDs against the Colts. So much for "Jake and the offense"

Yes the Cowboys got pressure on Manning. Our pass rush sucks. But Romo has looked twice the QB that Joke has been all season.

Roethlisberger? He had a playoff stretch of 3 awesome individual performances and one lousy one in the SuperBowl.

We're still waiting for our 10 year vet to have two mediocre games back to back. His latest achievement was looking the other way when the ball was snapped in a shot gun formation.

You can lead a Bronco to water, but you can't stop Joke from choking on it.

HEAV

11-21-2006, 10:23 AM

Because those teams weren't tied down with a ball and chain called Joke Plummer.

WTF

That's talkign out of you ass right their!

Jake may play bad. But christ, have you watch the DL? Or seen D-Will give up TD's in the red zone?

Ya Replacing Jake will solve the SP teams and Defensive issues.

Get a clue.

Hotrod

11-21-2006, 10:24 AM

Rex Grossman has played much better than Stink Plummer. Grossman only sucks when he gets hit hard and sacked this year. Unlike Plummer who sucks, well, all the time.

The Dolphins also keep losing. Next.

The Running Game had more TDs and more rushing yards than Stink Plummer did passing or TDs against the Colts. So much for "Jake and the offense"

Yes the Cowboys got pressure on Manning. Our pass rush sucks. But Romo has looked twice the QB that Joke has been all season.

Roethlisberger? He had a playoff stretch of 3 awesome individual performances and one lousy one in the SuperBowl.

We're still waiting for our 10 year vet to have two mediocre games back to back. His latest achievement was looking the other way when the ball was snapped in a shot gun formation.

You can lead a Bronco to water, but you can't stop Joke from choking on it.

Correct on all accounts.

The thing that amazes me is the 10 year vet part. How many excuses have we heard since Jake came to Denver??? Its his first year in the system. It takes a QB 3 years to pick up Shannys offense. Dont worry he always bounces back after a bad game

Face it Jake still does not grasp the system. The O has never been so trimmed down in all my years of watching my Broncos. Jake simply cant read the whole field. Its over Jake is finished in Denver

I like Jake the person but something happened this year. Prolly the Cutler pick I dont know. In the past when we lost or Jake looked like **** he seemed to care atleast a little. He wanted to go to battle with the team....I just dont get that feeling at all this year. His heart is already in another NFL city.

Hotrod

11-21-2006, 10:29 AM

WTF

That's talkign out of you ass right their!

Jake may play bad. But christ, have you watch the DL? Or seen D-Will give up TD's in the red zone?

Ya Replacing Jake will solve the SP teams and Defensive issues.

Get a clue.

Actually it could not hurt the Dline/ST/defensive issues if we had a QB that had some chance of making an occassional 3rd down in an important situation. Instead Jake fumbles or throws a pass thats no where near a wr. Jakes a joke. Oh how I miss the good old days when our O could run some time off the clock in the 4th qtr. Welcome to the Jake Plummer offense. 3 and out is the special of the year.

fontaine

11-21-2006, 10:37 AM

WTF

That's talkign out of you ass right their!

Jake may play bad. But christ, have you watch the DL? Or seen D-Will give up TD's in the red zone?

Ya Replacing Jake will solve the SP teams and Defensive issues.

Get a clue.

Yeah the DL sucks at pressure, and DWill has played poorly.

SO WHAT? When did I say:

DWill shouldn't be benched.
The DL is great.
We're winning with that DL/DWill so please don't make a change.

When did I ever say that?

I have the same damn standard for most starters. If you think DWill should be benched. Fine. If you want to bench players on the DL and put in the rookie Dumervil or Engleberger? Fine.

Any long time starter who is hurting this team rather than contributing over the course of many games deserves to be benched. What's so hard to understand about that. What I don't understand is being selective about it when it comes to QB.

Joke Plummer has stunk all season long, so he deserves to be benched. The only reason he wasn't out on his a$$ a long time ago is that we have an unkown rookie back there who probably couldn't play any better.

And ofcourse benching Jake won't solve the issues at DL/ST. I've already said that.

fontaine

11-21-2006, 10:51 AM

But here's the biggest kick in the balls:

1. Yeah ST sucks.

So what does the team do?

We pick up Quincy Morgan, activate Brian Clark, and try others at return duties. WE DON'T EVEN ACTIVATE DUMERVIL/WEBSTER at the start of the season because they don't play ST.

2. Yeah Pass rush sucks.

So what does the team do?

Give more snaps to a situational rusher in Lang, we're desperate so we activate a rookie in Dumervil, we activate Antwan Burton and give him a shot, Coyer allows his DL to rush upfield instead of just holding their blocks even though LBs are missing some tackles.

3. Yeah Plummer has sucked this season?

So what does the team do?

Nothing. We're handcuffed to this bastard because we have a rookie unkown at the QB spot.

So don't tell me that no one is blaming ST/D.

The problem is we're still getting crappy play at the one position where it counts the most on offense and Shanahan's hands are tied. The guy is a damn genious but even he can't bring Cutler up to speed in his rookie season.

Rascal

11-21-2006, 10:56 AM

Actually it could not hurt the Dline/ST/defensive issues if we had a QB that had some chance of making an occassional 3rd down in an important situation. Instead Jake fumbles or throws a pass thats no where near a wr. Jakes a joke. Oh how I miss the good old days when our O could run some time off the clock in the 4th qtr. Welcome to the Jake Plummer offense. 3 and out is the special of the year.

It would be nice if the defense could make a stop in the fourth quarter, but I guess that's just asking for to much. But I guess we blame that on Jake as well somehow.

Hotrod

11-21-2006, 11:02 AM

It would be nice if the defense could make a stop in the fourth quarter, but I guess that's just asking for to much. But I guess we blame that on Jake as well somehow.

Nope just saying it could not hurt if Jake could make a freaking play on 3rd down.

You ramble away about the D but without it we would be 4-6 right now. They have played pretty ****ty of late but Jakes been a turd since late last year.

Mile High Shack

11-21-2006, 11:04 AM

Nope just saying it could not hurt if Jake could make a freaking play on 3rd down.

You ramble away about the D but without it we would be 4-6 right now. They have played pretty ****ty of late but Jakes been a turd since late last year.

our D was the most over rated unit in the NFL

we finally got exposed and hopefully Shanny sees this and makes changes

Hotrod

11-21-2006, 11:07 AM

our D was the most over rated unit in the NFL

we finally got exposed and hopefully Shanny sees this and makes changes

I agree 100% and have been screaming for upgrades for 2 years now. Hopefully the Dline gets an injection of talent this offseason. Im certainly not defending the D but it changes nothging in the Jake debate. The guy is a bad joke and must go.

dbfan4life

11-21-2006, 11:18 AM

The D has been putting the offense in terrible field postion all year with that bend but don't break attitude. If the D's performance reflect upon Jake and the offense's production then the same should be said of the O's performance. Near the bottom in the league in starting field postion is a reflection of both units.

Taco John

11-21-2006, 11:44 AM

It's not the D's job to worry about field position. It's their job to keep other teams from scoring. Field position is the concern of special teams.

12th man

11-21-2006, 12:32 PM

Wow. Did anyone even watch these? I know this has become another "Blame Jake/Blame Defense" thread but therthey're worth a watch. The second one he's almost in tears. He knows it's over. That's the only thing that could make someone like that. I think we forget that Jake grew up a Broncos fan. That's pretty tough to have to watch your dream job fade away. I still think Jay should start but I feel sorry for Jake. It's sad to have been so high and fallen so low.

yup. you could tell he was ready to burst into tears. You could hear it in his voice, see it in his eyes, see the redness on his face, and see it in his facial expression. He was holding the tears back.

He knows he is this close to losing his job, he knows, as well as most everybody watching the game, that for the most part it was his fault we lost. I know, I know, the D played like poo for the last part of the game. That is not acceptable for our D to do. But, our offesne just didn't do anything with the ball at the time and the D was on the field to long trying to stop, probably a future hall of fame rb, and a pretty darn good offense.

But at the end of the game, we had a chance to win this thing. This is where Jake needed to step up, be that clutch qb and lead us to the endzone. That's what good qb's do against good teams to take the division lead. They put the team on his shoilders and find a way to win. Jake had 2 chanches to do this. on the 4th down play, where it seemed like he threw it right to the defender and it was intercepted, and then LT scored. The second came on the last drive. He hit walker for a good gain, chargers get two big penalties, we are in striking distance, and Im thinking, alright. Some strange stuff is happening in the final seconds at mile high stadium against a marty shotenheimmer (sp) team! Im thinking we are going to win. But seriously, we had a chance to score right there, and he fumbles, game over.

That's why jake was almost in tears. He blamed the loss on himself, he knew he had chances to win the game late in the 4th and blew it, and he knows, that his playing time in Denver is down to possibley one more game, and even just 2 quarters away from starting here.

yes, I said 2 quarters. I think shanny goes the pacells way on turkey day. Not against the seahawks. I think if Jake has a sh1t first half, I really truly believe the Cutler era begins in the start of the third quarter. No doubt, jake will start this game, but if he plays like crap, I think we see cutler.

Also, I realy do feel sorry for the guy. He's a good person, and can be a pretty good qb, and it just isn't happening for him this year. I know he wants to win badly, and he's a good competiter and this season he is having is probably killing him. Add that to our Denver media and fans who can be pretty darn hash on our qb's, and it's tough on him.

Mile High Shack

11-21-2006, 12:42 PM

It's not the D's job to worry about field position. It's their job to keep other teams from scoring. Field position is the concern of special teams.

they sure as crap can help special teams by possibly forcing some 3 and outs

that too much to ask?

OrangeShadow

11-21-2006, 01:32 PM

BigBad

11-21-2006, 01:49 PM

I may be right but I am enjoying watching Jake taking your team down with him.

snowspot66

11-21-2006, 03:50 PM

You guys who keep attacking the D keep forgetting how the offense effects defenses. It's not just about time of possession. It's about field position and momentum. I fully expect the defense to give up points to some of the better offenses in the league. But when the defense does make a big stop the offense more often than not has sputtered and blown any momentum the D may have generated. THere is no way you can't say that momentum doesn't play a part in it. Remember the Elway years when you knew we were going to score? I haven't felt that way since he retired unless it was about the other teams offense. I find I don't say lets get a TD but instead say don't turn it over here just get a first down. The Defense has played lights out in the first half of every game this year and yet our biggest lead was what? 14-7 at half? We come out and lay an egg for 5 or 10 minutes into the third and whatever momentum we may have had at the half is long gone. The defensive hole is obviously in the pass rush but I think you are all too quick to throw the whole unit under the bus.

Kaylore

11-21-2006, 04:41 PM

they sure as crap can help special teams by possibly forcing some 3 and outs

that too much to ask?

They did that multiple times on Sunday. The problem with a fast, smaller defense is that if you leave them on the field they wear out. Our defense is good unless they're on the field the whole game. It's not unlike the Dolphins game last year where it was close until our d wore down and then the hemorrhaging began. That's why this defense is a good fit for a grind it out offense because they can feed each other. Unfortunately if you go three and out over and over there is only so many times you can ask them to stop them. Especially against the number one scoring offense.

Rascal

11-21-2006, 04:52 PM

Kaylore

11-21-2006, 04:58 PM

They were on the field for freaking 30 minutes. If our defense gets worn down that easily then they need to run sprints for about an hour every damn practice. That is one of the biggest BS's responses I've heard. I thought you were smarter then that. We had FOUR three and outs. That's just plain stupidity.

Four three and outs, two interceptions and they even scored for us. Hey Rascal, why don't you tell me how many points the defense should have allowed? What do you feel the score should have been?

Rascal

11-21-2006, 05:01 PM

26 or under.

Kaylore

11-21-2006, 05:12 PM

26 or under.

You're in a fantasy land. This team is seriously hanging close to fifty points on good defenses on the road. The way you stop them is by staying on the field and not giving them touches. We couldn't stay on the field against their backups. Jake couldn't complete a pass to save his career. And surprise: Our defense has had four bad quarters all year. Sometimes good defenses just get beat and our offense needs to step up.

I'll say it again: The '85 Bears let the Miami Dolphins hang 38 points on them. The 2000 Baltimore Ravens let the Jags hang 36 on them. And neither of them was the number on scoring offense when they did it.

Guess they suck too, huh?

The only one who is acting stupid is you pretending that our banged-up defense is going to be perfect all year and rail on them for four bad quarters, when we have a borderline retarded quarterback that has sucked all year and you don't utter a peep.

Mile High Shack

11-21-2006, 05:15 PM

LOL

did you just compare the 85 Bears and 2000 Ravens to our defense?

wow

fontaine

11-22-2006, 06:38 AM

Winning is what it's all about.

We have to improve as a football team in order to win consistently against the top teams.

Defense is top 5 in scoring. It's too late to trade/draft for immediate pass rush.

STs suck. Fine we can bench Ernster and bring in Saurbruin.

Passing offense sucks. Guess who needs to be replaced?

Running Game is fine.

Where is the biggest scope for improvement? Where does Shanahan invest his time and attention the most for the next few weeks?

It's time for people to get over the blame game. It's been fun acting like children argueing over nothing but the best way to kickstart the biggest problem on this team is at the QB position.

Plummer is nearly out the door and the only reason why anyone will be talking to him now is that it's a short week. Get them both ready for the KC game as much as you can. Plummer gets the start but if he's choking and continues on his stink routine then give the ball to the rookie.

OrangeShadow

11-22-2006, 07:19 AM

I may be right but I am enjoying watching Jake taking your team down with him.

Im just poking a little fun at you its all good