Prediction: Cutler will start against the Seahawks [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Kaylore

11-20-2006, 03:02 AM

Orange4Life

11-20-2006, 03:05 AM

I agree, if we lose Thursday Cutler will start the next game.

SureShot

11-20-2006, 03:07 AM

Screw it. Start him thursday.

Hercules Rockefeller

11-20-2006, 03:08 AM

Hope they win, not expecting it to happen. If Jake is the starter against Seattle, even after a loss @KC, I will forego my usual Bailey jersey and wear my Cutler jersey to the game. Hopefully Shanahan will look to the nosebleeds, realize that I am wearing a different jersey, and note my protest to his QB decision accordingly.

Taco John

11-20-2006, 03:19 AM

I hope Shanahan starts Jay immediately and doesn't wait another minute. Jake doesn't deserve the starting spot any longer. It's clear that he doesn't have what it takes to lead us through a tough playoff schedule. Why waste a minute more of our player's time with Jake at the helm?

Short week or not, Jake should be yanked and Cutler should be given the opportunity. And if Cutler stinks it up out there, Jake can come in and play saviour. Maybe it'll snap it out of him and he can rally after that.

Personally, I think Cutler could handle the KC lights just fine. It's not like Arrowhead is any noiser than FSU.

Clockwork Orange

11-20-2006, 03:24 AM

I agree with not running Cutler in there with only four days to prepare. I also agree with the idea that you let him know he's got two weeks from right now to be ready because he's getting his first start when Seattle comes to town.

Jake piddling down his leg in KC practically feels inevitable.

SoCalBronco

11-20-2006, 03:33 AM

Shanahan isn't going to give Cutler his first start on a short week in Arrowhead. I suspect that unless somehow we win this Thursday, Shanahan will use the long week to make a change that should have been made in week one. I think that long week the team will evaluate where they're at and what they need to do to win and that Jay starting will be one among a number of changes that will surprise people.

I agree. Either way, I think Shanahan will go to Cutler starting with Seattle, even if we beat the Chiefs with a so-so Jake performance.

wolf754life

11-20-2006, 03:39 AM

unbelievable............

the people on this board that defend #16 time and time again. Those people think that somehow it wasn't the qb's fault when he overthrows the out on 3 and 5, or when he fumbled the snap on 3rd and 7, or when he doesn't read defenses pretty much all the time.

THE GUY DOESN"T READ DEFENSES, HE GUESSES!!!! and most of the time he Guesses WRONG! The line blocked well tonight, but plummer just closes his eyes and throws to spots. I was at the St. Louis game, and how similar was that final pick to the one he threw in week 1 to Tye Hill of the Rams? 10 weeks later, same mistake, against the same blitz! He isn't getting better, he is getting WORSE!!!

Does he ever read his progressions?" How many times does he look left, look middle, and then look right, or check down? How come he can't throw between the hashes, how come he can't throw between zones? We all know why, because he sprays the ball, he doesn't know where its going.

All season long on critical 3rd downs or in the Red Zone he has to call a timeout so shanny can tell him what to do. Think we could use those timeouts better? absolutely....

Everyone talks about his win loss record, everyone says he is a winning qb, not so fast my friends, he has relied on shanny to reign him in with safe calls, like screens, and one man routes in crunch time, relied heavily on a terrefic run game.

THE BOOK IS OUT, teams know exactly how to beat him, there is absolutely NOTHING, ZERO, 00000, to gain by leaving him in........

The CUTLER era has to begin NOW! A real quarterback who plays the position, who brings AWARENESS to the position, who understands progression, who understands the playbook (yes I think cutler in 14 games knows the playbook better than Jake does in 4 years being here)

You have to make throws to win in the NFL, its big boy football, see Phillip Rivers, 11/13 in the second half on the road. Why do we suck so bad on 3rd down? hmmmmmmmmm.

We deserve to have our hearts broken as long as we support Jake the mistake.....................

Play2win

11-20-2006, 03:40 AM

At this point, they should CUT Jake Tomorrow.

ClevelandBronco

11-20-2006, 03:41 AM

I agree. Either way, I think Shanahan will go to Cutler starting with Seattle, even if we beat the Chiefs with a so-so Jake performance.

If you're right, I just hope he doesn't get beat to hell out there.

wolf754life

11-20-2006, 03:45 AM

Beat to hell? Wow, do you know anything about Jay Cutler? Ask him about playing behind a 1-AA offensive line in the SEC for 4 YEARS! Toughness is not a problem. We protect Jake, we certainly can protect Cutler.

THE KID IS READY, for GOD sakes people, stop worrying, he will be fine!
Jay has the moxy, the balls, whatever you want to call it. This team isn't going anywhere near where they wanted to, ie the superbowl, so get him reps and send mistake packing....

Kaylore

11-20-2006, 03:46 AM

SoCalBronco

11-20-2006, 03:47 AM

If you're right, I just hope he doesn't get beat to hell out there.

From a physical standpoint, I don't think he'll get beat to hell. He's pretty tough physically and the OL has been pretty decent in pass protection. He is also elusive, similar to Jake. I had hoped that he could sit and learn in peace this year without the weight of the franchise on his back (immediately). I think that would have been the better approach. However, I erroneously assumed that Shanahan was giving him actual reps in practice to help further this steady and pressureless development. Unfortunately, in an article from the DPO a few weeks ago, it was revealed that Jay is getting VIRTUALLY NO REPS in practice which is ****ing ridiculous. Regardless of Jake's play, if elevating Cutler to the starter's position is the only way to get him those reps, then I am all for it.

Kaylore

11-20-2006, 03:49 AM

Personally, I think Cutler could handle the KC lights just fine. It's not like Arrowhead is any noiser than FSU.

I agree. 100,000 Vol fans seem an adequate enough test and it's not like he'll get pressured any more than he was in college.:~ohyah!:

Popps

11-20-2006, 03:53 AM

I'm basically indifferent about the QB position, at this point. Plummer looks like he's totally lost confidence.... and his "gameness" has always been one of his best attributes.

If the defense would have shown up in either of our "test" type games this year, I might be more concerned. But, they look like the same lay-down bunch we saw the past few years in big games.

So, if Shanahan wants to start getting the kid reps, so be it. I think he's going to be a great one. It's all sort of secondary when your defense can't hold decent teams under 30 points, anyway.

Kaylore

11-20-2006, 03:56 AM

CBF1

11-20-2006, 03:59 AM

This thread rocks. I sure hope Kaylor is right on this one. It is time to change it up. Let the future begin!

theAPAOps5

11-20-2006, 04:04 AM

Plummer lost it tonight plain and simple. If shanny can't see that then he needs to up the reading glasses. I was all for waiting but man Plummer just pissed the division away tonight.

Kaylore

11-20-2006, 04:05 AM

I would also like to add that I predict Jay's first 8 games to be pretty rough and that he'll put up average numbers and make some bad decisions...but that he'll make enough good throws to scare defenses and he will get better from game to game very quickly.

ClevelandBronco

11-20-2006, 04:08 AM

From a physical standpoint, I don't think he'll get beat to hell. He's pretty tough physically and the OL has been pretty decent in pass protection. He is also elusive, similar to Jake. I had hoped that he could sit and learn in peace this year without the weight of the franchise on his back (immediately). I think that would have been the better approach. However, I erroneously assumed that Shanahan was giving him actual reps in practice to help further this steady and pressureless development. Unfortunately, in an article from the DPO a few weeks ago, it was revealed that Jay is getting VIRTUALLY NO REPS in practice which is ****ing ridiculous. Regardless of Jake's play, if elevating Cutler to the starter's position is the only way to get him those reps, then I am all for it.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I think it's a mistake to put the chance of making or losing a playoff position on the shoulders of the kid, especially if he hasn't been getting reps.

There's getting beat to hell physically, and there's getting beat to hell psychologically, and then there's getting beat to hell both ways because you're a virtually stranger to the guys around you.

You've forgotten more about football than I'll ever know, but I just don't want to risk this kid.

theAPAOps5

11-20-2006, 04:10 AM

ClevelandBronco

11-20-2006, 04:12 AM

At this point I think cutler can man up better than plummer can. Plummer has lost his swagger plain and simple.

I'm behind the quarterback on the field.

Popps

11-20-2006, 04:16 AM

I'm not sure anyone has held the Chargers under 30 points.

Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Oakland, Kansas City.

4 teams have, given... Oakland lost in a blowout.

if you think the team we played tonight was merely "decent" you're fooling yourself.

They had the same record as us, no?

They lost to a team we beat, no?

My point wasn't that they're just decent, it's that any time we face a top offense, our defense absolutely lays down. Tonight, like the Indy game was just another painful bit of proof.

You're right in your theory, though. Cutler could play if Jake keeps this up.

Our defense will still be laying down in big games, but we could have a new QB... you're right.

theAPAOps5

11-20-2006, 04:16 AM

So was I but then I Plummer just imploded. From here on out if Plummer starts I am for the backup. When Cutler starts he has my full support.

azbroncfan

11-20-2006, 04:35 AM

I'm behind the quarterback on the field.

Don't be a follower, make up your own mind. I hate the mentality I follow whoever is the leader, boss, cool guy, captain, etc even if you think it is wrong. I have been behind Jake and this team will make playoffs and get bounced right away. Might as well get Cutler the reps as Plummer is playing like a rookie. Look at the young QB's making impacts, Big Ben, P. RIvers, Romo saving Dal season, etc.

theAPAOps5

11-20-2006, 04:37 AM

Cutler saves all. Plummer kills drives. Plain and simple

Kaylore

11-20-2006, 04:42 AM

Maybe I'm crazy, but I think it's a mistake to put the chance of making or losing a playoff position on the shoulders of the kid, especially if he hasn't been getting reps.

There's getting beat to hell physically, and there's getting beat to hell psychologically, and then there's getting beat to hell both ways because you're a virtually stranger to the guys around you.

You've forgotten more about football than I'll ever know, but I just don't want to risk this kid.

I know you're talking to SoCal, but I wanted to chime in on this.

This is football and you have to be deal with it. I'm not someone who believes that these players are weak-minded babes that need to be coddled and nursed. They've been playing football for a long a time and the only way that they will learn is through playing the game.

Cutler wants to play. Does that mean he fully understands what he'll be facing? Probably not, but he's a fighter and he isn't going to break down and throw a hissy-fit when he faces the struggles of a rookie season. He's going to have to fight through them. I don't believe delaying that experience can help that.

azbroncfan

11-20-2006, 04:49 AM

I know you're talking to SoCal, but I wanted to chime in on this.

This is football and you have to be deal with it. I'm not someone who believes that these players are weak-minded babes that need to be coddled and nursed. They've been playing football for a long a time and the only way that they will learn is through playing the game.

Cutler wants to play. Does that mean he fully understands what he'll be facing? Probably not, but he's a fighter and he isn't going to break down and throw a hissy-fit when he faces the struggles of a rookie season. He's going to have to fight through them. I don't believe delaying that experience can help that.

That is the truth, That's how life is I know at my job even if I am more experienced than someone I have produce if not I'm gone. That is probably what most people would say about their job too.

OrangeShadow

11-20-2006, 07:23 AM

i agree with the fact that you dont start jay on a short week at kansas city. But against seattle, yes.

eddie mac

11-20-2006, 07:34 AM

The defense cant carry Jake every week. That much we've seen. Shanahan needs to grow a set of balls quickly and give into the masses and give this kid a shot. How much worse can he perform??? IMHO based on current form Jake is the worst starting QB in the NFL, how can Cutler fall below them standards???

fontaine

11-20-2006, 07:50 AM

One good thing about Joke Plummet right now is that he's making it very easy for Jay whenever he does start.

50% completion rate, fumbles, ints, no TDs? Jay could play like crap and still look better than Joke Plummet.

clarkster

11-20-2006, 08:09 AM

what kills me is all the people that think Cutler is the second coming of #7. Has he ever played in a regualr season game? Are we seriously basing all of this on some college ball and preseason? need I remind you all of SOB? Im not saying the kid wouldnt be good, all im saying is the guy hasnt played anyone anywhere at anytime, how can everyone here be so sure that hes the answer right now? Im not saying Jakes the answer because hes certainly got some issues to deal with, but ill be damned if i sit here and call cutler the savior of all that is orange and blue. not without seeing him play in a real game.
that said, i hope im wrong i hope that jay is answer, and blah blah blah, but unless someone here can bring something better than "blah blah college" "blah blah preseason", i say stuff it. last i checked nobody here is getting paid to make these decisions, thus nobody here is qualified. and unless someone has some kind of insider info, then nobody knows anything other than the broncos lost and it hurt, and jake didnt play well. thats about it.

fontaine

11-20-2006, 08:18 AM

what kills me is all the people that think Cutler is the second coming of #7. Has he ever played in a regualr season game? Are we seriously basing all of this on some college ball and preseason? need I remind you all of SOB? Im not saying the kid wouldnt be good, all im saying is the guy hasnt played anyone anywhere at anytime, how can everyone here be so sure that hes the answer right now?

Dude that a reach. Most people have been saying that putting in a rookie won't make a difference because our 10 year vet is playing like a rookie right now. Everyone is NOT sure he's the answer right now.

Most here are NOT calling him a saviour either. Whatever that means. I think the common perception is that if we have to watch Jake piss the season away, why not let a rookie have at it and get some valueable experience?

I don't know who to start because I don't know enough about Cutler in practice. I'll let the coaches decide. But I do know we're not going to beat KC away, SD away, Seattle at home with the recent QB play we've gotten.

Florida_Bronco

11-20-2006, 08:28 AM

I think we're ready for a change as well. The rest of the offense has started to step up and perform and Jake hasn't.

Barry Ramey

11-20-2006, 08:31 AM

With the playcalling going on, people really want Cutler in there when he can't even possibly be ready to play in this offense since it took Elway himself, a 10 year vet, to get comfortable in it? Considering how Griese and Plummer have looked in this offense, I don't want Shanahan screwing this guy up at least until he's ready mentally to handle the idiotic playcalling.

broncogary

11-20-2006, 08:31 AM

last i checked nobody here is getting paid to make these decisions, thus nobody here is qualified...

Hey, Art Shell and his staff are getting paid. :wiggle:

That One Guy

11-20-2006, 08:33 AM

People continue to talk about how we should continue to sit Cutler but... am I the only one that saw Rivers last year when Brees went out? Rivers had sat almost two years at the point and looked like straight @ss... now, once he got in as the starter in practice and played some... well, let's just say he doesn't seem half bad.

I don't know that I really buy into the benefits of watching football from the sidelines. I've been watching pro-football for years, I don't seem to get any better at it.

SteveTensi13

11-20-2006, 08:35 AM

Cutler will not save the season. He will not be the second coming of the Duke when he sets foot on the field. However, he will make rookie mistakes and may even cost a couple of games. Thats alright, for me, because its coming from a rookie. I cannot accept that from a 10 year vet who is surrounded by a talented team. Plummer has regressed so far I cannot understand it.

Earlier on the game thread I posted "Uh oh, bad jake in the house" half joking, this was the first offensive series! I'm no Shanahan, but if I saw it surely Shanahan and the rest of the staff saw it as well.

The time is now for Cutler. Shanahan knows damn well we are not going to the big game. Too many holes offensively, starting with the QB position, defensively and special teams are a joke. Ronnie Bradford needs to be fired along with Coyer. I know a lot of fans dont like to use the term "rebuild" but guess what? It's here.

Me thinks Rod, Lynch, Nalen will leave after the season. This was to be thier final ride into the sunset with the trophy glinting off the setting sun. Plummer has put the brakes on that scenario and they will instead limp off with a first round playoff exit. Sigh... I'm going to bed dammit!

Traveler

11-20-2006, 08:46 AM

clarkster

11-20-2006, 08:48 AM

sorry, in a cranky mood this am, and frankly tired of the Jake vs Jay talk. Im not saying he isnt the answer, im not saying jake is or vice versa, im not saying this team doesnt need a change, but i for one dont know enough about cutler to say hes the one that should be here, on the same note, nobody will know until he gets in the game, but as for me personally, we all know what jake CAN do if hes confident and the play calling is compatible. what we DONT know is what cutler will do. Alot of QBs look real good in college, and practice and preseason only to get freaked out in a real game. again, not saying he isnt, i for one am not ready to put a 7-3(ouch) record on the line on something as uncertain.

-Slap-

11-20-2006, 09:04 AM

broncogary

11-20-2006, 09:18 AM

Is the idea now to let him completely **** all over whatever meager trade value he might still have remaining?

How could any team with hopes of contending have any interest in this clown?

I didn't know high school teams could trade with the NFL. :wiggle:

bloodsunday

11-20-2006, 09:19 AM

What if Denver wins?

bloodsunday

11-20-2006, 09:21 AM

Cutler will not save the season. He will not be the second coming of the Duke when he sets foot on the field. However, he will make rookie mistakes and may even cost a couple of games.!
Exactly. And it took Elway several years to mature into a complete QB. Although that was without a particularly good offensive staff.

Thats alright, for me, because its coming from a rookie. I cannot accept that from a 10 year vet who is surrounded by a talented team. Plummer has regressed so far I cannot understand it.
As long as you are willing to acknowledge that he may struggle. Most people are certain that he will play better than Plummer. I don't know if he will.

Man-Goblin

11-20-2006, 09:23 AM

Jake's two best games have been on the road when the noose around his neck was the tightest...

But I do agree; if the Broncos lose or if Jake doesn't play lights out Cutler will be in against Seattle.

fontaine

11-20-2006, 09:24 AM

All the Plummer defenders said Jake had to start actually costing us games before he would get the gate. Well, after being bailed out by the defense a half a dozen times, he's now officially costing games.

Is the idea now to let him completely **** all over whatever meager trade value he might still have remaining?

How could any team with hopes of contending have any interest in this clown?

Well according to the Plummer homers, Dallas will certainly need Plummer, since you know how they all said Parcells ended the Cowboys' season when he started Romo.

ROFL!

Rohirrim

11-20-2006, 09:26 AM

As terribly as Jake has played this season, Shanahan really has no choice but to stay with him. Everyone here knows that the Cutler era will begin in 07. Let's just let the season play out and start from scratch next year.

As much as I hate to say it, next year the team should actually start to reload. We have a nice core group of younger players to build around.

If Shanahan was coaching Sandy Eggo, they'd be a lock for the SB. Just imagine this: Merriman and Trujillo didn't even play. The Broncos suck at the QB position. No doubt. They also need a major upgrade at the RB position, the D Line, WR and the entire STs. What I saw last night was not just a lousy QB blowing a game. It was a team that has major holes in a lot of positions that has been using coaching to mask those holes. The closer we get to the playoffs, and the bigger the games get, the less the coaching can make the difference. You got to have the playas.

fontaine

11-20-2006, 09:27 AM

What if Denver wins?

Then we'll be one game closer to ending our suffering this clown.

watermock

11-20-2006, 09:42 AM

We as a vast majority, or at least SOME of us, remember the Duke's struggles early, including the humorus lineup under guard. I'm not saying John was stupid, and I don't think Jay is either...Jay is quite bright. (sans haircut). With the season rapidly going down the toilet, isn't it time to season the kid for next year?

I've said this a million times...the kid has been here half a year learning the ropes. The only way to season him now if to get him inside them.

watermock

11-20-2006, 09:46 AM

I'm now in my 5th week of the Jake death march. And I'm not sending in an appeal.

Hell...his swagger is even gone now. There is nothing left to see here people...move along.

I'm not saying Jay will be the next Tony Romeo, but we won't find out unless we put a toe in the water.

Mile High Shack

11-20-2006, 09:51 AM

you think it really matters with our defense at this point?

fontaine

11-20-2006, 09:58 AM

you think it really matters with our defense at this point?

Sure. Our defense/RB/OL carried this loser to a 7-3 record and WE WERE STILL IN WITH A CHANCE IN EVERY LOSS.

It gives me hope that we've got a good enough D/RB/OL to carry a promising rookie as well.

Mile High Shack

11-20-2006, 09:59 AM

Sure. Our defense/RB/OL carried this loser to a 7-3 record and WE WERE STILL IN WITH A CHANCE IN EVERY LOSS.

It gives me hope that we've got a good enough D/RB/OL to carry a promising rookie as well.

against teams with good offenses we aren't very good

you don't see that by now?

10 games into the season if you can't see our D is a fraud, then I don't know what to tell you

we have to get rid of this guy AND Jake Plummer

fontaine

11-20-2006, 10:03 AM

against teams with good offenses we aren't very good

you don't see that by now?

What I do see is that our Defense isn't good enough to beat the top two scoring offenses in the league AND Joke Plummer at the same time.

Like the current joke goes, the only QBs that can beat Denver are Peyton Manning and Jake Plummer.

Well, at least Jake can beat a nfl caliber defense, even if it's own I guess.

Mile High Shack

11-20-2006, 10:05 AM

What I do see is that our Defense isn't good enough to beat the top two scoring offenses in the league AND Joke Plummer at the same time.

Like the current joke goes, the only QBs that can beat Denver are Peyton Manning and Jake Plummer.

Well, at least Jake can beat a nfl caliber defense, even if it's own I guess.

Jake is only 1/2 of the problem with this team

the other half is a an old codger who can't make adjustments to good offenses in the 2nd halves of games

Rascal

11-20-2006, 10:09 AM

Traveler

11-20-2006, 10:21 AM

Hercules Rockefeller

11-20-2006, 10:25 AM

My prediction is that Cutler will be the starter soon, and only after we continue to lose to teams with good offenses will people finally realize that it wasn't all Jake's fault.

There are less people here who think it is all Jake's fault than there are people who only see the defensive deficiencies and overlook Jake's problems.

ND Bronco Fan

11-20-2006, 10:37 AM

Is Sandy Clough that hooked into the Broncos organization because I have heard him in his loud know it all voice at least 3 times on 950 the Fan this morning say "YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW CLOSE THEY HAVE BEEN TO PULLING THE PLUG AND PLAYING CUTLER". "IT WILL HAPPEN" BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

fontaine

11-20-2006, 10:52 AM

the other half is a an old codger who can't make adjustments to good offenses in the 2nd halves of games

Prove it! Go ahead I'm challenging you.

I'm not sure you understand the concept of adjustments a defense can make. They rely on personnel.

What half time adjustments Coyer could have made against the Colts/Chargers?

You can't manufacture consistent pass rush from your front four with just adjustments.

At halftime we had given up 6 points to the Colts. What adjustments do you make on a defense that's just held Mannings and co to 6 points in the first half?

At halftime we had given up 7 points to the Bolts. What adjustments do you make on a defense that's just held the top offense to one TD in the first half?

This half time adjustment thing is BullShiat. A more accurate picture would be that at halftime the other team's high flying offense has seen what poor pass rush we have and have adjusted to it to pass the ball better and Coyer doesnt' have the front four to counter it.

In truth THE ONLY THING that can stop a high scoring offense is to put pressure on the QB. Coyer has attempted it with blitzes in the 2nd half only to get burned so what else can he do? Pull a Reggie White from this a$$? It was a desperate blitz that resulted in the LT touchdown!

Everyone in the league has been passing on DWill since we have no consistent pass rush. The only other adjustment option coyer has for pass rush is to line up his pass rushers in better situations/stunts/twists etc to get after the QB but in case you forgot our best pass rusher is a rookie and the Colts/Chargers offense simply doesn't give up sacks.

Rascal

11-20-2006, 10:54 AM

Mile High Shack

11-20-2006, 10:57 AM

then Coyer needs to make adjustments to what adjustments he is seeing...duh, you don't keep trying to force a square peg into a round hole

if Dwill is so bad, why isn't the old codger benching him?

fontaine

11-20-2006, 11:01 AM

Well for one we failed to make an adjustment in the Colts game (we continued to play a soft zone), and for two we did make an adjustment in the chargers game and it was a horrible one (ie we stopped blitzing).

I can't remember the Colts game and how often we played soft vs other zone coverage in the 2nd half.

But we did stop blitzing the chargers when they got LT on a pass play and got him out against Ekuban. That resulted in a 51 yard TD. But according to you it was a horrible adjustment because we "stopped" doing it.

Right, ok.

Broncos4tw

11-20-2006, 11:02 AM

No way.. start Cutler IMMEDIATELY. We will NOT win this next game if Jake starts, no way in hell. KC smells blood. Jake is looking worse each week. He has NO confidence. I doubt he is magically going to get it in four days.

Start the rookie. KC will have to change their gameplan to adjust, and then at least I feel we have some chance.

Put it this way: Why in the hell would you start a player you KNOW will choke, vs. one you don't know? Cutler might.. or he might not, he could have a great game. KC having never played against him, has nothing to go on. Cutler could generate enough offense, to go along with our defense, to win the thing.

All I can see Jake doing is fumbling or throwing a pick at a crucial moment.

To put it in perspective: I'd rather have a QB on our team that is throwing picks because he is just new and learning the system, than a QB that is throwing picks at crucial times because of his inaccuracy and lack of confidence. If Cutler throws a pick, it will NOT be because of his arm or confidence, it will be because he didn't pick up that safety coming across the field. Jake? He'll just toss it up for grabs and hope for the best.

Start Cutler! Schlereth was saying the same on the radio this morning. He said: Start Cutler TODAY! I couldn't agree more.

-Slap-

11-20-2006, 11:04 AM

You know what cracks me up?

We didn't blitz on DW's interception for six. Gold showed blitz and backed off.

We did get caught in a blitz later that yielded a 51 yard touchdown, though.

Rascal

11-20-2006, 11:05 AM

I can't remember the Colts game and how often we played soft vs other zone coverage in the 2nd half.

But we did stop blitzing the chargers when they got LT on a pass play and got him out against Ekuban. That resulted in a 51 yard TD. But according to you it was a horrible adjustment because we "stopped" doing it.

Right, ok.

We stopped blitzing long before that, and it's a horrible scheme to ever think that D-lineman is going to cover LT.

Plus we were overloading one side of the offense for way to many freaking times in a row, we kept running the same blitz pattern and it was only a matter of time before they figured out a way to stop it. I don't think we had a single LB on our left side on that play.

fontaine

11-20-2006, 11:09 AM

then Coyer needs to make adjustments to what adjustments he is seeing...duh, you don't keep trying to force a square peg into a round hole

Duh, no pass rushers. God, how many times do I have to freakin' say it?

No adjustments (apart from blitzing) is going to prevent a 2nd year CB/3rd string safety from being shredded by elite offenses when QBs have time in the pocket. And when we do try to blitz, teams have a year's worth of film study done from our games last year so they know what to expect.

eddie mac

11-20-2006, 11:12 AM

last i checked nobody here is getting paid to make these decisions, thus nobody here is qualified.

Plummer's getting paid plenty, that's more than enough to make the angry glands swell more.

fontaine

11-20-2006, 11:13 AM

We stopped blitzing long before that, and it's a horrible scheme to ever think that D-lineman is going to cover LT.

Dude, we blitzed on that play. Anything else is your opinion.

Plus we were overloading one side of the offense for way to many freaking times in a row, we kept running the same blitz pattern and it was only a matter of time before they figured out a way to stop it. I don't think we had a single LB on our left side on that play.

No kidding. You keep running blitzes and sooner or later the offense will find a way to stop it? That's why defenses still prefer passrushers and not just blitz all the time. Except Coyer doesn't have that luxury of choice.

Either way, you're complaining now about specific shemes. Not adjustments, but keep spinning.

Dedhed

11-20-2006, 11:17 AM

I'm not sure anyone has held the Chargers under 30 points, and if you think the team we played tonight was merely "decent" you're fooling yourself.
What he means by decent is the two best offenses in the league. And of course to spin things so he doesn't have to admit that he's been dead a$$ wrong all year.

Rascal

11-20-2006, 11:20 AM

Dude, we blitzed on that play. Anything else is your opinion.

No kidding. You keep running blitzes and sooner or later the offense will find a way to stop it? That's why defenses still prefer passrushers and not just blitz all the time. Except Coyer doesn't have that luxury of choice.

Either way, you're complaining now about specific shemes. Not adjustments, but keep spinning.

LOL

It's not my opinion that it's ludicrous to expect a D-lineman to cover LT. That's common knowledge.

no-pseudo-fan

11-20-2006, 06:32 PM

If Shanahan was coaching Sandy Eggo, they'd be a lock for the SB. Just imagine this: Merriman and Trujillo didn't even play. The Broncos suck at the QB position. No doubt. They also need a major upgrade at the RB position, the D Line, WR and the entire STs. What I saw last night was not just a lousy QB blowing a game. It was a team that has major holes in a lot of positions that has been using coaching to mask those holes. The closer we get to the playoffs, and the bigger the games get, the less the coaching can make the difference. You got to have the playas.

I disagree, somewhat. WR looks bad because Jake cannot get them the ball. He locks onto Javon, which is a great option, but lets other WR's wide open underneith. Imagine Marshall going against a Safety over the middle, how about getting the TE into the game. Plummer can not do this. 3 and out's are Jake signature move. Leaving the defense on the field is going to kill you everytime.

Cito Pelon

11-20-2006, 07:09 PM

I think it's time to start Cutler. And do it now. No point in waiting until an ideal time. I've advised patience, just recently I said to be patient to see what happens in the 3 game stretch SD/KC/SEA. Just the first game of that 3-game stretch was enough for me.

Malcontent

11-20-2006, 07:16 PM

If you're right, I just hope he doesn't get beat to hell out there.

The problem then becomes....What if Jake plays lights out at KC and goes 24-30 for 336 and 4 tds. Can Shanny yank him then?? Lets hope both cases come true.:thumbs:

Malcontent

11-20-2006, 07:19 PM

We stopped blitzing long before that, and it's a horrible scheme to ever think that D-lineman is going to cover LT.

Plus we were overloading one side of the offense for way to many freaking times in a row, we kept running the same blitz pattern and it was only a matter of time before they figured out a way to stop it. I don't think we had a single LB on our left side on that play.

And to make matters worse, Big Al blitzed to the wrong side, and got caught in the minutia of Olinemen, when if he would of gone simply to the other side with his blitz, Shivers would be missing three teeth! Result: 23 yd pass to Gates!!

Cito Pelon

11-20-2006, 07:27 PM

Well for one we failed to make an adjustment in the Colts game (we continued to play a soft zone), and for two we did make an adjustment in the chargers game and it was a horrible one (ie we stopped blitzing).

Coyer needs to actually trust his secondary, and go back to the blitz against good offenses when it's obvious our pass rush can't get to the QB. They haven't been burned deep this season, save for one I think, and we have two fast CB's. Blitz till they force us out of it, make them make the play.

Denver got beat by a better team yesterday. Same as when Indy came to town, same as when Pitt came to town last year. Better ST's, better coaching staff, better D, better O, better Dline, better RB, better safeties, better QB, better O-line, just plain better.

titan

11-20-2006, 07:38 PM

I think having Cutler around is getting to Jake's head. He wasn't an all pro to start with, but a decent quarterback the last couple of years. This year is by far Jake's worst as a Bronco.

I agree with giving Jake the start in KC (short week of practice), and if we lose start Cutler vs Seattle with the extra 3 days of prep time.

long beach bronco

11-20-2006, 07:40 PM

People are saying how bad Elway had it during his first few years, lol. If i can remember, his first year he played half of the games sharing time with Steve Deberg and we went 9-7 and went to the playoffs and lost. The next year we went 13-3 and got upset by Pittsburgh, the next year we went 11-5 and barely lost out in the playoffs on tie breakers to the Jets and Pats, then the next two seasons went to the Super Bowl. John had a great start to his career. Cutler is a gunslinger, he's battle tested and he's hungry. He will come in and give our fan base alot of confidence. We won't be cringing every time he drops back to pass, we'll be pumped up because we know he's going to fire that sucker in there as oppose to floating it throwing up jump balls. Oh yeah, and he's smart enough to use the entire playbook and spread the field using all of his receivers unlike some people. PUT CUTLER IN.

DeusExManning

11-20-2006, 07:42 PM

Start him on a ****ing short week!!! We never win in KC anyway we need to do something!

ksBRONCOfan

11-20-2006, 08:21 PM

What if they've been prepping Cutler for KC for a while now??

I won't hold my breath though.

Kaylore

11-20-2006, 08:36 PM

What if they've been prepping Cutler for KC for a while now??

I won't hold my breath though.

I would start Jay against Kansas City. It's not like it will get any harder than in Arrowhead. The sooner he starts the sooner he gets better.

SureShot

11-20-2006, 08:42 PM

I would start Jay against Kansas City. It's not like it will get any harder than in Arrowhead. The sooner he starts the sooner he gets better.

Agreed. I would also delay the announcement until the beginning of the game, and go up top to whoever Walls is covering on the first play.

ksBRONCOfan

11-20-2006, 08:45 PM

I would start Jay against Kansas City. It's not like it will get any harder than in Arrowhead. The sooner he starts the sooner he gets better.

I agree, but I think shanahan is too stubborn.

telluride

11-20-2006, 09:38 PM

Also, it ain't a short week for Cutler. It's been a verrrrrry looooong week for him -- as in 12 weeks or so.

Garcia Bronco

11-20-2006, 09:40 PM

If we lose this weekend...it might be time to bring him in and give it a go

Bob's your Information Minister

11-20-2006, 09:45 PM

Jake piddling down his leg in KC practically feels inevitable.

Now I lay me down to sleep....

broncobum6162

11-20-2006, 10:01 PM

broncobum6162

11-20-2006, 10:09 PM

My prediction is that Cutler will be the starter soon, and only after we continue to lose to teams with good offenses will people finally realize that it wasn't all Jake's fault.

The Cowboys stopped the Colts dead in teh tracks, our defense was repeatedly owned.

That my friend............ Is called pressure on the QB(consistent pressure)
I keep scratching my head on that one, how can you call yourself a defensive coordinator and not realize that is one of the most important things in a potent NFL defense. When we play teams w top offenses our defense has a lot of trouble as we all know, but .................. that makes it all that more important that we have a QB that can consistently move the chains and keep the offenses that we can't handle collecting slivers on the pine.

broncobum6162

11-20-2006, 10:10 PM

Now I lay me down to sleep....

Boob............................. F-U and I'm not talking Fordham University.

broncobum6162

11-20-2006, 10:15 PM

I know you're talking to SoCal, but I wanted to chime in on this.

This is football and you have to be deal with it. I'm not someone who believes that these players are weak-minded babes that need to be coddled and nursed. They've been playing football for a long a time and the only way that they will learn is through playing the game.

Cutler wants to play. Does that mean he fully understands what he'll be facing? Probably not, but he's a fighter and he isn't going to break down and throw a hissy-fit when he faces the struggles of a rookie season. He's going to have to fight through them. I don't believe delaying that experience can help that.

Cutler has had 12 weeks plus training camp to get comfortable. I know he's still a rookie but ponder this. He's spent 4 years in college w/ very little talent around him in one of the if not the toughest football division in college football. The SEC. I think his time has come. It 's sooner than we all would have liked but if anyone can't see the writing on the wall after last night then you are more blind than the bats I saw in the cave we walked thru in Aruba.

ludo21

11-20-2006, 10:18 PM

IMO, NOW is the time to bring the kid in if thats what the plan is anyway.

Jake usually bounces back and plays well after poor games, and i think on Thurs. he could have a good game. If that happens, your once again stuck for a few weeks with Plummer cause you cant bench him after he plays well.

So if Shanny REALLY wants and plans to bench Jake sometime this season, now would be the best time after 2 straight bad games.

Florida_Bronco

11-20-2006, 10:25 PM

I just hope SOMEONE goes out there and lights up KC for about 300 yards, preferrably, Plummer.

Northman

11-20-2006, 10:26 PM

I just hope SOMEONE goes out there and lights up KC for about 300 yards, preferrably, Plummer.

That would be really nice to see. Either way we just need a win at this point.

ludo21

11-20-2006, 10:30 PM

I just hope SOMEONE goes out there and lights up KC for about 300 yards, preferrably, Plummer.

I can care less the stats, of we can go INTO Narrowhead and pull a win any way, ill be a VERY happy Turkey eater.

Florida_Bronco

11-20-2006, 10:40 PM

I can care less the stats, of we can go INTO Narrowhead and pull a win any way, ill be a VERY happy Turkey eater.

I agree, but I'd just like to be able to rub that in the Chiefie fan's faces for the rest of the season after all their Plummer bashing.

broncos_mtnman

11-20-2006, 10:41 PM

I feel the same way, Kaylore.

Get ready, Jay!! :strong:

ludo21

11-20-2006, 10:43 PM

I agree, but I'd just like to be able to rub that in the Chiefie fan's faces for the rest of the season after all their Plummer bashing.

Sweeping them is all the rubbing in you need my friend! !Booya!

They have every right to bash Plummer, he hasnt played well, but in spite of that, we still beat them. That might be more ammo to use there :wiggle:

ward63

11-20-2006, 10:45 PM

I agree w/all of you guys and I've been thinkin bout something ALL day and that is, we're in the same situation Dallas was in. We have to play the guy that'll help the team the most. What I'm saying is...START CUTLER!!! I'm not just saying that to say it, I'm saying it b/c Dallas had Bledsoe, but they have a bad line and needed somebody that was mobile. Well, our running game isn't that great and that means teams don't really have to worry about the bootleg, play action and roll outs, which are the best things that Plummer does. As we all know, he's not a drop back guy, so we put in the kid that is and that means, play Cutler! He's mobile, strong and has a great arm...and he's a DROP BACK PASSER! So somebody do all of us a HUGE favor and send this post to Shanny A.S.A.P.!!! Sorry if this has been posted, but I just didn't see it...

-Slap-

11-20-2006, 11:49 PM

LOL

It's not my opinion that it's ludicrous to expect a D-lineman to cover LT. That's common knowledge.

The play wasn't designed so Ekuban covers LT. That's common sense.

The zone blitz is risky, especially from the 4-3, and even more so when you just dabble in it the way we do.

Personally, I think any team who doesn't run a lot of zone blitz should strike it from their defensive playbook entirely.

Bob's your Information Minister

11-21-2006, 12:06 AM

I just hope SOMEONE goes out there and lights up KC for about 300 yards, preferrably, Plummer.

Dream on. Our secondary is rock solid this year.

Rascal

11-21-2006, 12:25 AM

The play wasn't designed so Ekuban covers LT. That's common sense.

The zone blitz is risky, especially from the 4-3, and even more so when you just dabble in it the way we do.

Personally, I think any team who doesn't run a lot of zone blitz should strike it from their defensive playbook entirely.

Sorry Slap but you are wrong.

Ekuban says it was his guy to cover in his interview in the locker room after the game. It's on the Denver CBS station website.

The guy was almost crying the lost hurt so much, and told the reporter to leave.

theAPAOps5

11-21-2006, 12:37 AM

Sorry Slap but you are wrong.

Ekuban says it was his guy to cover in his interview in the locker room after the game. It's on the Denver CBS station website.

The guy was almost crying the lost hurt so much, and told the reporter to leave.

Man just went and watched that one. Nice way to man up! But why on earth would they put him in that position FFS!

Rascal

11-21-2006, 12:39 AM

It is absolute stupidity to ever conceive of, let alone call, a defensive scheme in which LT is guarded by a d-lineman.

Guessed

11-21-2006, 01:06 AM

As you can imagine, the Mastermind wasn't in too chipper in his presser. I think the good news is that he reiterates his stance that the best players are going to be on the field irrespective of position and tenure and we also need to see improved play from the drop back passing game.

Atlas

11-21-2006, 01:11 AM

Shanahan isn't going to give Cutler his first start on a short week in Arrowhead. I suspect that unless somehow we win this Thursday, Shanahan will use the long week to make a change that should have been made in week one. I think that long week the team will evaluate where they're at and what they need to do to win and that Jay starting will be one among a number of changes that will surprise people.

You better hope Denver loses to KC thursday then. If Denver wins Shanny will stick with Jake until the next SD game. If Denver loses that one than he'll probably put in Cutler.

Los Broncos

11-21-2006, 01:14 AM

I just have a gut feeling that if Jake fails this week at KC, Mike makes the change, give CUT a chance to get his feet wet for next season, just hope he dont get hurt.

Taco John

11-21-2006, 01:17 AM

Jake is only 1/2 of the problem with this team

the other half is a an old codger who can't make adjustments to good offenses in the 2nd halves of games

I'd love to know the adjustments you would have made. This could be good for a laugh.

Atlas

11-21-2006, 01:21 AM

Man just went and watched that one. Nice way to man up! But why on earth would they put him in that position FFS!

It was just a great call by the Chuggers. Usually LT would be in the flat or stay in and block but to send him straqight up the field was just a greta call. That's why the blitz is a risky proposition.

BlueCrusher

11-21-2006, 01:34 AM

It was just a great call by the Chuggers. Usually LT would be in the flat or stay in and block but to send him straqight up the field was just a greta call. That's why the blitz is a risky proposition.

Still, even risking a DE on LT is just dumb. The ball is going to either LT or Gates.

BigPlayShay

11-22-2006, 02:58 PM

Adam Scheffter is reporting on NFL Network (Point After) that there is a real possibility that Jay starts against Seattle given the amount of preperation the Broncos will have for that game.

2KBack

11-22-2006, 03:00 PM

I personally feel that the more the media predicts this, the less likely it is to happen.

Mile High Shack

11-22-2006, 03:05 PM

I'd love to know the adjustments you would have made. This could be good for a laugh.

it's not my job to prepare the defense, I'm not smart enough football wise, or I'd be doing it for a living :)

but I can assure you, allowing Indy and SD to score 28 points in the 2nd halves of games isn't good adjustments made by our stellar _efensive coordinator

Kaylore

11-22-2006, 03:07 PM

You better hope Denver loses to KC thursday then. If Denver wins Shanny will stick with Jake until the next SD game. If Denver loses that one than he'll probably put in Cutler.

If Jake pulled a win out of KC I'd give him a two week pass. Unfotunately, I don't think he will.

Rascal

11-22-2006, 03:10 PM

Adam Scheffter is reporting on NFL Network (Point After) that there is a real possibility that Jay starts against Seattle given the amount of preperation the Broncos will have for that game.

From other MB's they seem to think he meant tomorrow's game.

bloodsunday

11-22-2006, 03:18 PM

Adam Scheffter is reporting on NFL Network (Point After) that there is a real possibility that Jay starts against Seattle given the amount of preperation the Broncos will have for that game.

Man he's fast. :rofl: He's only a month behind Mortensen -- whom many around here criticized.

Everyone on this board suspected that last Sunday night.

Rascal

11-22-2006, 03:21 PM

Apparently Tatum's job is on the line for this week as well.

Undoubtedly the team is hearing these rumors as well about Jake, makes me wonder how the team will react to it. Do they rally around him?

Hercules Rockefeller

11-22-2006, 03:26 PM

Man he's fast. :rofl: He's only a month behind Mortensen -- whom many around here criticized.

Everyone on this board suspected that last Sunday night.

But both Mort and Adam aren't going to idly speculate that it might be Jake's last game. They'll wait until they hear it from someone they trust in the organization.

bloodsunday

11-22-2006, 03:29 PM

Apparently Tatum's job is on the line for this week as well.

Undoubtedly the team is hearing these rumors as well about Jake, makes me wonder how the team will react to it. Do they rally around him?

We will find out a lot about this team this week. I see it going one of two ways: 1) we win 2) we get lit up like that 40 something debacle a few years back.

Rascal

11-22-2006, 03:29 PM

Confirmed:

Jake Plummer to start November 23rd

Jay Cutler to start on December 3rd.

This is breaking news on NFL Network.

atomicbloke

11-22-2006, 03:29 PM

BREAKING NEWS:

Jay Cutler to start against Seattle.

Just saw it announced on NFL Network.

Rascal

11-22-2006, 03:31 PM

That is stupid IMO. Jake will assuredly suck now.

cabronco

11-22-2006, 03:32 PM

Imo, they've rallied around Jake all season. I would think at this point, the team knowing Jake wont be the Qb next year, and the fact he's been playing at such a poor level , that they dont believe Jake can help the team win thru the playoffs, if they would even get the chance. Knowing that, get Cutler in there to see if he can elevate the team. If nothing else getting experience for going into next year.

DomCasual

11-22-2006, 03:32 PM

BREAKING NEWS:

Jay Cutler to start against Seattle.

Just saw it announced on NFL Network.

Dude, if you're joking, I'd change your username and start over around here.

Rascal

11-22-2006, 03:32 PM

If Jake struggles during the KC game I wouldn't be suprised to see Cutler come in during halftime.

Hotrod

11-22-2006, 03:32 PM

That is stupid IMO. Jake will assuredly suck now.

I dont buy it for a second

bloodsunday

11-22-2006, 03:33 PM

But both Mort and Adam aren't going to idly speculate that it might be Jake's last game. They'll wait until they hear it from someone they trust in the organization.

I know, I was defending Mort on that premise a month ago.

My point was really that any child of 5 could say that at this point. Shanahan got a gift, a mini-bye week in the middle of the season. It's really the only time left in the season that it makes sense to do it, unless of course we somehow drop completely out of the playoff picture.

For those of you that want to see Jay this week, how is that fair to Jay? They guy has barely played an meaningful snaps in 12 months. He's hasn't had any since what August? If this is gonna happen a nice 10 day window would be helpful. Man the media frenzy would be crazy!

bloodsunday

11-22-2006, 03:34 PM

That is stupid IMO. Jake will assuredly suck now.

Well if Jake is the fighter I think he is, he'll come out and give us all a big **** burger to eat. His competitive fire is his best quality.

And if not, then it probably is time to move on.

Hercules Rockefeller

11-22-2006, 03:36 PM

It did not say Jay will definitely start, Schefter said "most likely will start."

atomicbloke

11-22-2006, 03:38 PM

Dude, if you're joking, I'd change your username and start over around here.

Hey, I am reading it on NFL Network at this very moment.

The sticker at the bottom of the screen says that Jay Cutler, the 11th pick in the 2006 NFL draft will start for the Denver Broncos against Seattle on December 3. Jake Plummer will start against Kansas City on Thursday.

cabronco

11-22-2006, 03:40 PM

YEAH Baby !!!! Woot Woot !!

Hotrod

11-22-2006, 03:41 PM

Maybe its a really crappy motivational trick Shanny is pulling on Jake???

Either way to announce it the day before the Chefs game is pretty stupid.

dbfan4life

11-22-2006, 03:46 PM

Maybe its a really crappy motivational trick Shanny is pulling on Jake???

Either way to announce it the day before the Chefs game is pretty stupid.

Timing definitely sucks here. Why announce it now with the Chiefs very well in the thick of things (I had to choke back my laugh on that one!). Not the time to let your starter know he's not the starter past that game.

Old Dude

11-22-2006, 05:00 PM

Only reason I could think of regarding the timing of the announcement is that Shanny is sending a message that he thinks Cutler is ready, regardless of how Jake performs tomorrow. IOW, the spin is not that "Jake sucks" or that "I'm surrendering to the will of the fans and the press" but that Cutler is looking hotter than a green chili suppository and its time to unleash him on the world.

Or something like that.

What do I know about "spin" anyway?

Sassy

11-22-2006, 07:04 PM

Check out my sig...Like Blue was telling me...you can read a lot into what Rod is saying if you really want to...

On Tuesday's Practice

"The ball hit the ground one time, and that was a bad throw," Smith said. "Everybody was crisp. It was clean, no mistakes. The backs ran hard. The quarterback made the right reads and the receivers caught the ball. It was honestly, I feel, the best practice we've had all season."

Jay or Jake? THE QB...That doesn't sound like Rod...he usually says Jake when talking about him not the QB!

Smith80HOF

11-22-2006, 07:07 PM

That's practice, we know from way too many experiences that when the big game starts that yellow stuff runs down his leg.

Kaylore

11-27-2006, 03:51 PM

Hey guys ;D

cabronco

11-27-2006, 03:54 PM

Its official, Jay Cutler starts the new era !

Traveler

11-27-2006, 04:01 PM

Hey guys ;D

:notworthy Nice call! Who's your source? We know many of the players visit you work establishment. Who spilled the beans?:wiggle:

Broncoman13

11-27-2006, 04:14 PM

Hey guys ;D

I knew you'd bring this back to pat yourself on the back!!!

Now, when are we going to see your boy Kuper>?

Kaylore

11-27-2006, 04:31 PM

:notworthy Nice call! Who's your source? We know many of the players visit you work establishment. Who spilled the beans?:wiggle:

This one was actually just me guessing/predicting hence the "Prediction" title. If someone had told me I would have said I was told.

I knew you'd bring this back to pat yourself on the back!!!

Now, when are we going to see your boy Kuper>?
Not sure. Cooper Carlisle is playing very well right now so it might not be until next year.