Can we end the F*ing Plummer Game now?

[Dedhed]

It's about time all the knobbers fess up and admit that Jake is taking this team nowhere but a modest playoff run. If we were the Chiefs or Chargers that would be something to be proud of, but we're talking about the Broncos here. Aren't we better than that?

[snowspot66]

I've been a supporter of Jake but we aren't winning anything with him. I'm officially no longer able to say start Jake. Every win from here out with him at the helm is just a lower draft spot cause if Jake is the QB throughout the rest of the year that's all we have to play for.

[ludo21]

lol @ peoples ignorance.

The D let in 28 points in the 2nd half!!!

Sry, thats not good enough. Im not saying Jake played great, but if Jay was the guy, he wouldnt have overcame a STOOOOPID play by Cecil to lead the team 90 + yards.

[Sassy]

Sapp...and not to mention Darrent...Our whole team sucked tonight. That includes our coaching staff.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Sapp...and not to mention Darrent...Our whole team sucked tonight. That includes our coaching staff.
Yes...but Fake sucks every game. Time for him to go.

[Kaylore]

Yes...but Fake sucks every game. Time for him to go.

You clearly didn't get the memo:

1. Only Jake is allowed to have multiple bad games.

2. Whenever Jake and another team/player performs badly, point to the other areas that could be improved first.

3. Poor play from other areas of a team = Jake can't be criticized.

[Sassy]

You clearly didn't get the memo:

1. Only Jake is allowed to have multiple bad games.

2. Whenever Jake and another team/player performs badly, point to the other areas that could be improved first.

3. Poor play from other areas of a team = Jake can't be criticized.

How come the Cutler SUPPORTERS then can't put any criticism on any other part of the team! I have never said that Jake hasn't played crappy when he has...and I have never said he isn't to blame...but yet you that support JAY are so sure that he can do better and for the most part the blame is ALWAYS JUST ON JAKE.

[Atwater His Ass]

Jake is a huge problem, granted.

However, our 2nd half D sucks balls in these big games. We let Indy and SD put up something close to 31 and 28 points on us in the 2nd half. What does that tell you? We game plan teams, most for the most part, very well. However, our quaility of coaching severly goes down in the 2nd half as the other team makes adjustments and we as a coaching staff can't cope. It's been going on this way for years in Denver. Pathetic really; espeacially with all the talent we have on this team.

[Turf Shaman]

lol @ peoples ignorance.

The D let in 28 points in the 2nd half!!!

Sry, thats not good enough. Im not saying Jake played great, but if Jay was the guy, he wouldnt have overcame a STOOOOPID play by Cecil to lead the team 90 + yards.

Why do people always insist on taking one angle and lashing out at people who happen to be making comments reflecting another angle? See, in the real world, there is usually more than one legitimate angle to look at on any given situation.

Just because someone makes a comment about Jake's play, doesn't mean they are discounting the defense's failure. But why does it always have to be on the defense to win the game. The defense has been bailing out the offense all season. And guess what, it's actually possible for the offense to bail out the defense. It's tough when you've got a QB who isn't performing worth crap though.

Fix the defense. Fix the offense. It isn't either/or. If the Broncos want to be a legitimate Super Bowl contender, better fix both. And part of doing that is cutting ties with Jake. The sooner the better.

[footstepsfrom#27]

How come the Cutler SUPPORTERS then can't put any criticism on any other part of the team! I have never said that Jake hasn't played crappy when he has...and I have never said he isn't to blame...but yet you that support JAY are so sure that he can do better and for the most part the blame is ALWAYS JUST ON JAKE.
It doesn't matter if he can do better. He can hardly do worse. And we need to get him on the field so he's not a starter in the first game next season with no game experience. This offense is pathetic and he's the #1 reason why.

[Kaylore]

How come the Cutler SUPPORTERS then can't put any criticism on any other part of the team! I have never said that Jake hasn't played crappy when he has...and I have never said he isn't to blame...but yet you that support JAY are so sure that he can do better and for the most part the blame is ALWAYS JUST ON JAKE.
I'll answer this question.

1. Because Jake has been the only consistently bad player. Every other problem has been mostly good.

2. Because there is nothing we can do about the other two areas. We don't have a pass rush. What do we do about it? We can't genetically engineer Reggie White in the middle of the season. We can't just put in some special teams players that don't suck. We CAN replace Plummer with Cutler though. While the play level might not change too much (though I think it would) at least we wouldn't be wasting our time on a guy playing like ass who won't even be on the team next year.

Now I'll ask you a question. Why won't you admit that Jake is a big problem? You're obviously in denial. I mean you've started one thread wondering if our whole team is a bunch of frauds and another thread questioning if Rod Smith can even produce. Just admit it: Jake sucks.

[ClevelandBronco]

Jake is not taking this team to a modest playoff run. The Broncos could very well end up 10-6 and miss the the playoffs.

And you can jump up and down and scream yourself blue about Jake while you watch him play the rest of this season.

Enjoy!

[Atwater His Ass]

I honestly believe that Jake cannot win us a SB. That means, to me, it's time to start Cutler and get some experience. Shanny however sees it different as long as he lets Jake continue to play.

What really sucks about this whole thing is that Jake played so well last year. I was behind him 100% and honestly thought he could do it for us. I don't know if it's having Cutler sitting there that has him rattled or if last year was just a complete fluke.

[snowspot66]

lol @ peoples ignorance.

The D let in 28 points in the 2nd half!!!

Sry, thats not good enough. Im not saying Jake played great, but if Jay was the guy, he wouldnt have overcame a STOOOOPID play by Cecil to lead the team 90 + yards.

Defense was on the field some 13 minutes of the first quarter alone. They defense may have given up some points but if the offense wasn't going 3 and out numerous times to start each half then maybe the D would be giving up fewer points.

The other teams players get paid too and the Chargers just happen to have some guys earning their dollars. They're gonna score some points. A good offense doesn't just put up points but it keeps the opposing offense off the field. Something ours hasn't been doing.

[Sassy]

Now I'll ask you a question. Why won't you admit that Jake is a big problem? You're obviously in denial. I mean you've started one thread wondering if our whole team is a bunch of frauds and another thread questioning if Rod Smith can even produce. Just admit it: Jake sucks.

I have admitted Jake is a problem...but you guys are also ignoring other parts of this team that are having just as big problems...OUR ST suck, Our D has sucked...given up way to many yards and TD's, I'm throwing stuff out there...wondering what everyone thinks...You guys that are looking at the "Jake supporters" aren't reading the rest of our posts...you are stuck in the Jay can do better or he can't do any worse and thats ALL YOU SEE while telling us ALL WE SEE is everything but Jake. It's just not true. What happens if the Broncos put Jay in and he gets hurt...which is very possible with lack of NO PASS RUSH...then what happens..w.e are screwed next year as well.

[Atwater His Ass]

Now I'll ask you a question. Why won't you admit that Jake is a big problem? You're obviously in denial. I mean you've started one thread wondering if our whole team is a bunch of frauds and another thread questioning if Rod Smith can even produce. Just admit it: Jake sucks.
I have admitted Jake is a problem...but you guys are also ignoring other parts of this team that are having just as big problems...OUR ST suck, Our D has sucked...given up way to many yards and TD's, I'm throwing stuff out there...wondering what everyone thinks...You guys that are looking at the "Jake supporters" aren't reading the rest of our posts...you are stuck in the Jay can do better or he can't do any worse and thats ALL YOU SEE while telling us ALL WE SEE is everything but Jake. It's just not true.

You're right about the D. Bend but don't break can only get you so far.

Our D was somewhat overrated at the beginning of the year because they played out of this world in the red zone. It simply wasn't fair to expect them to play that well in the red zone for an entire season. It's catching up with us now.

[ClevelandBronco]

Now I'll ask you a question. Why won't you admit that Jake is a big problem? You're obviously in denial. I mean you've started one thread wondering if our whole team is a bunch of frauds and another thread questioning if Rod Smith can even produce. Just admit it: Jake sucks.
I have admitted Jake is a problem...but you guys are also ignoring other parts of this team that are having just as big problems...OUR ST suck, Our D has sucked...given up way to many yards and TD's, I'm throwing stuff out there...wondering what everyone thinks...You guys that are looking at the "Jake supporters" aren't reading the rest of our posts...you are stuck in the Jay can do better or he can't do any worse and thats ALL YOU SEE while telling us ALL WE SEE is everything but Jake. It's just not true.

Exactly! This team has coaching problems, pass rush problems, coverage problems, rushing problems, receiving problems, pass blocking problems, kick coverage problems, possibly a developing punting problem, and a HUGE ongoing field general problem.

But if we just change out one guy, we're Super Bowl bound, baby!

[footstepsfrom#27]

I have admitted Jake is a problem...but you guys are also ignoring other parts of this team that are having just as big problems...OUR ST suck, [B]Our D has sucked...given up way to many yards and TD's
The D entered the game giving up the fewest points in the league. Jake entered the game ranked near the bottom of the NFL in passer ratings. Which one do you think deserves criticism the most?...the defense that has carried us all year or the QB who has screwed us all year?

[ScottXray]

Sassy, Jay could get hurt on any play..this year, next year..whatever. That kind of thing is just fate. The Offensive line has done enough to protect Jake..they'll protect Jay too.

And Yeah, there are a LOT of things Wrong with the team....And Jake is ONLY one of them.

But frankly HE is the single biggest thing wrong with the offense. He is responsible for not performing and he is the on field person that handles the ball on EVERY offensive play. He hands off okay....
Its when he passes that he isn't getting the job done. Our offense doesn't work right now...and Jake is at least 80% of the reason why.

We won't do any worse with Jay in there..and frankly most of us that support Cutler think our offense will do a LOT better. There is no point in not finding out. And we should do that THIS year.

Maybe Jake should start against KC ...It is a short week...
But frankly , even if we win that game and Jake plays well....Cutler should start the next game 10 days later.

Jake is not capable of taking this team anywhere. He is just too inconsistent....

[Sassy]

This is absolutely stupid...I'm going to bed. You guys argue it out again for the rest of the SEASON...you'll do it anyway. Have fun ragging on the people that aren't in agreement with starting Jay...Guess we can't have an opinion around here...It sucks to see Bronco fans fighting among themselves...

[Kaylore]

Exactly! This team has coaching problems, pass rush problems, coverage problems, rushing problems, receiving problems, pass blocking problems, kick coverage problems, possibly a developing punting problem, and a HUGE ongoing field general problem.

But if we just change out one guy, we're Super Bowl bound, baby!

Who here has suggested that Cutler will take us to the super bowl? Well just so you know I am doing it right now!

Ok, seriously a lot of the problems you listed aren't even there. Our blocking is better than it was at the start of the season. The coaching is fine. If we've as many problems as you listed and we're 7-3 then the coaches should get medals. I need to make a good-things post to balance the "everyone sucks" effect that people have after losses.

[Turf Shaman]

Now I'll ask you a question. Why won't you admit that Jake is a big problem? You're obviously in denial. I mean you've started one thread wondering if our whole team is a bunch of frauds and another thread questioning if Rod Smith can even produce. Just admit it: Jake sucks.

I have admitted Jake is a problem...but you guys are also ignoring other parts of this team that are having just as big problems...OUR ST suck, Our D has sucked...given up way to many yards and TD's, I'm throwing stuff out there...wondering what everyone thinks...You guys that are looking at the "Jake supporters" aren't reading the rest of our posts...you are stuck in the Jay can do better or he can't do any worse and thats ALL YOU SEE while telling us ALL WE SEE is everything but Jake. It's just not true. What happens if the Broncos put Jay in and he gets hurt...which is very possible with lack of NO PASS RUSH...then what happens..w.e are screwed next year as well.

Okay, let's just start speaking for ourselves. I've been ripping on Jake but I know there were other factors today. And I would guess that you are incorrectly presuming that others ripping on Jake are ignoring the other factors. Yes, there is more attention focused on Jake, but it shouldn't be that difficult to understand why. He's been bad just about all season, save for three games. The defense has been bailing him out most of the season. The defense has played very good except for three games. So, when you have a player who has performed badly for 70% of the games and a defensive unit that has performed well for 70% of the games, and then there is a game where both of them perform badly, it's perfectly legitimate to be more frustrated with the player who has been performing badly all season.

As for Jay getting hurt, you are really straining for a reason not to switch to him. Jay could get hurt this year, he could get hurt next year. On any given play when he goes out there, he could get hurt. That's football. Maybe we should never play him, so he never gets hurt?

Getting him experience so he can start next season with some seasoning is very good reason to make the switch now. He can handle it

[Sassy]

Oh come on...Why can't people have their own opinion around here...I don't think it's a wise decision to start Jay...can't I go with that? Why do I have to have you guys tell me I need to get on the Jay bandwagon...I don't need to get slammed for what I think.

[ScottXray]

Oh come on...Why can't people have their own opinion around here...I don't think it's a wise decision to start Jay...can't I go with that? Why do I have to have you guys tell me I need to get on the Jay bandwagon...I don't need to get slammed for what I think.

Who slammed you?...If you think Jake is Okay then ok...Or if you think the other problems are the problem then okay...Nobody is saying the team is perfect except for Jake. You are VERY right about those other things.

This was SUCH a disappointing loss...because it didn't have to be one...for a lot of what you mentioned. Defense, play calls, all bad.

Maybe it isn't wise to start Jay.
And Maybe its LESS wise to keep running Jake out there.

We won't know until it happens.

[ClevelandBronco]

I need to make a good-things post to balance the "everyone sucks" effect that people have after losses.

Not everyone sucks. Javon is making catches he has no business making, but we still have serious receiver problems. Our backers are playing very well. Champ is just beyond outstanding. Run defense is very good in certain spots, even though it disappears now and again.

Bottom line, I just don't think this is a very good team overall. I do think that Shanny has made the best possible record appear from thin air, but our coaching problem extends beyond him.

[goldengopher1976]

All I know is that the person I was most pissed at tonight, was Jake. The D's inability to stop the bolts in the second half was maddening. Our D's inability to get pressure, and the reluctance on behalf of our coaching staff to blitz or make any perceptable adjustments was befuddling. Watching SD run every kickoff to the 45, while we screwed them up, was difficult to swallow. But, at the end of the game, the one thing I was most mad about? Jake Plummer.

Fumbled snap on 3rd down in the RZ. INT late in the game. Holding the ball too long on the last play of the game...and this is a week-after-week phenomenon. Hell, just look at Rivers, when the game's in the balance, he gets better with the ball.

The question at this point is: is another trip to the playoffs, and maybe the AFC championship good enough for us this year? If so, keep Jake. If, on the other hand, we are willing to sacrifice some short-term pleasure (another playoff season) for long-term gain (Culter game experience), we should make the switch.

If Jake loses one more for us, I think Shanny switches.

[Kaylore]

Oh come on...Why can't people have their own opinion around here...I don't think it's a wise decision to start Jay...can't I go with that? Why do I have to have you guys tell me I need to get on the Jay bandwagon...I don't need to get slammed for what I think.

No one is slamming you, Sassy. But they are arguing with you and they will continue to do so as long as they disagree with you. That's what a message board is for.

[Sassy]

The way Jake is playing is NOT ok...I just don't believe in starting Jay this year.

[ClevelandBronco]

The way Jake is playing is NOT ok...I just don't believe in starting Jay this year.

I concur. I just don't see the point, but I do see the risk.

Rivers sat for two seasons. How does that translate to Jay's situation? Maybe it doesn't.

Some here think it does.

[snowspot66]

Brady, Rothlisbuwhatever, Manning (both), McNabb, all guys who were put into the starting job as rookies I believe? And all some of the top QBs in the past 10 years (except young Manning but he's done well, far better than his brothers first years). I don't believe sitting a QB out has anything to do with his success at all. I used to believe that but now I think it's entirely about how the player handles himself and the coaches/management putting the young QB in a situation where they are almost sure of succeeding (much like Kubes did with Jake last year).

Yeah Palmer and Rivers sat and have had success but Palmer has been shakey this year same as big ben so it's not exactly a clean record on either side of the argument. How many other guys have sat and turned out to be amazing? Did young QBs even sit before Palmer and Rivers? I can't name another QB to add to this list.

Bottom line. I think if a guy is gonna be a superstar QB then it doesn't matter if he sits or not as a rookie. As long as he stays healthy he'll get there. If he's not gonna make it then he won't, no matter what you do. In that case you have no choice but to prop him up with talent at other positions (Hassleback, Bledsoe, any Ravens QB)

[fontaine]

The SD pass defense gave up 13 TDs in the air prior to this game and they were pretty much average. Without Merriman I thought this was just what Jake Plummer needed.

A soft passing defense.

I even said that if our running game stepped up and gave us 3rd and short situations then Plummer would step up and complete those.

How wrong I was. Jake was awful on 3rd downs. Not only that but he did his best to put this team in a hole with Int, fumbles, and sheer lack of accuracy.

When you're QB can't complete a 3rd and 4 pass against an average secondary with no real pass rush then how do you expect to win. To make it worse our defense gave up big plays as well. Our defense played like crap but then again they were up against a hall of fame RB and great TE with a REAL QB.

I wonder how our offense would look if we had even an average QB in there instead of a bumbling fool who folds like used up toilet paper.

[Northman]

lol @ peoples ignorance.

The D let in 28 points in the 2nd half!!!

Sry, thats not good enough. Im not saying Jake played great, but if Jay was the guy, he wouldnt have overcame a STOOOOPID play by Cecil to lead the team 90 + yards.


And scoring 6 offensive points in the second half is acceptable?

[Northman]

The SD pass defense gave up 13 TDs in the air prior to this game and they were pretty much average. Without Merriman I thought this was just what Jake Plummer needed.

A soft passing defense.

I even said that if our running game stepped up and gave us 3rd and short situations then Plummer would step up and complete those.

How wrong I was. Jake was awful on 3rd downs. Not only that but he did his best to put this team in a hole with Int, fumbles, and sheer lack of accuracy.

When you're QB can't complete a 3rd and 4 pass against an average secondary with no real pass rush then how do you expect to win. To make it worse our defense gave up big plays as well. Our defense played like crap but then again they were up against a hall of fame RB and great TE with a REAL QB.

I wonder how our offense would look if we had even an average QB in there instead of a bumbling fool who folds like used up toilet paper.


Thats the part that hurts us the worse. He doesnt hit any receiver in stride on a consistent basis. Always throwing behind his receivers. Javon made a excellent grab but had it been ahead of him instead of behind him he would have scored a TD. The defense got pressure on Rivers, sacked him, forced him to make 2 TO's and even scored on one and yet the offense still could only muster 6 Points. Its disgraceful.

[elsid13]

Maybe the defense fell apart last night is because they where tired from spend all thier efforts in the first qtr.

[fontaine]

Maybe the defense fell apart last night is because they where tired from spend all thier efforts in the first qtr.


I don't know. I don't really believe that. The thing about good offenses like SD is that they will always find ways to score points. Our defense got caught out in a few big plays in the 2nd half where LT got a huge play against Ekuban etc. But you can't make it easy for them.

Like this crap: SD got excellent field position their last 4 TDs:

SD 40 7 60 Touchdown
SD 42 3 58 Touchdown
SD 45 7 55 Touchdown
DEN 23 5 23 Touchdown

They were literally starting at midfield on three of those TDs and the last one was a freakin' gift courtesy of Plummer who ONCE AGAIN turned the ball over in his own 20 yard area. THAT'S FOUR TIMES THIS SEASON U FREAKING' TRAITOR!

Yikes!

STs buried our D, and Plummer put the final nail in the coffin.

[Liebs]

I love Jake, I've always supported him, but he's not playing well for many reasons. QB is the one position that if played well it can make all the other short comings have less of an impact. rather than doing this, jake is making things considerably worse.

He has no pocket presence right now, not making reads, he throws picks, and finally, the worst thing of all, he has NO accuracy.
Cinci put up over 400 yards passing, jake 183? If you take away the two screens and the garbage yards on the last drive, he may be near 100 yards passing on a poor secondary.

Time for a change

[clarkster]

Sapp...and not to mention Darrent...Our whole team sucked tonight. That includes our coaching staff.

agreed. no one person can take credit for that loss. it was a collective effort, fomr the HC on down to spec teams. Looked good for a while, but it seemed like the coaching staff wasnt dynamic enough, and jake looked mediocre at best. i dont completely blame him completely however, we all know hes not a drop back passer. and as far as the start jay cutler now ****, dont start. flat out, SD is playing good ball right now, DEN is not.

[riiiiick]

plummer could have stepped up, even when ST,D,play calling (i hate the short slant, this is not 20yrs ago,D's take that away from the WCO now) was horrid in the second half and could have won the game for us, BUT he didn't! start cutler? not sure, but as a jake supporter it wouldn't bother me to sit him down. until then, were 7-3, lost a huge game, no time to cry with the short week.

[Jetmeck]

The D entered the game giving up the fewest points in the league. Jake entered the game ranked near the bottom of the NFL in passer ratings. Which one do you think deserves criticism the most?...the defense that has carried us all year or the QB who has screwed us all year?


I gotta say that sums it up the best I have ever heard !
Sure there are other areas we could improve on but the single most important one is JAKE.

[elsid13]

I don't know. I don't really believe that. The thing about good offenses like SD is that they will always find ways to score points. Our defense got caught out in a few big plays in the 2nd half where LT got a huge play against Ekuban etc. But you can't make it easy for them.

Like this crap: SD got excellent field position their last 4 TDs:

SD 40 7 60 Touchdown
SD 42 3 58 Touchdown
SD 45 7 55 Touchdown
DEN 23 5 23 Touchdown

They were literally starting at midfield on three of those TDs and the last one was a freakin' gift courtesy of Plummer who ONCE AGAIN turned the ball over in his own 20 yard area. THAT'S FOUR TIMES THIS SEASON U FREAKING' TRAITOR!

Yikes!

STs buried our D, and Plummer put the final nail in the coffin.

This defense on the whole has been on the field to much this year and had ****ty field position to defend. ST is a joke.

[Dedhed]

How come the Cutler SUPPORTERS then can't put any criticism on any other part of the team! I have never said that Jake hasn't played crappy when he has...and I have never said he isn't to blame...but yet you that support JAY are so sure that he can do better and for the most part the blame is ALWAYS JUST ON JAKE.

BEcause we look at the #4 Scoring defense in the league, and the #4 overall rushing attack in the league, and the WORST RATED QB in the league, and we have the ability to figure out what's holding this team back.

[broncosteven]

Maybe the defense fell apart last night is because they where tired from spend all thier efforts in the first qtr.

TOP was just about even, why wasn't SD's D tired at end of game also? Our D had most of 2nd Q, 1/2 time & almost 5 min of 3rd quarter to reenergize. if you get wipped after 13 min of play in 1st half then you are not in shape or prepared to play.

[smalltowngrll]

I'm certainly disheartened about losing this game, no doubt. But, in no way will I put this loss solely on Jake. Yes, he made some mistakes....but, so did Walker, so did Smith, and so did several others on the team. Again, I'm not happy with our performance yesterday because I felt that we could have won that game. We are good enough. We just didn't play to the level we should have. I will continue to support every player on this team that our coaching staff feels should be out there on the field. If that makes me a "knobber" then so be it!

[Taco John]

There's no point in throwing away the season on Jake, and wasting any of Cutler's development time. We can win with Jay if we can win with Jake.

[Dedhed]

I'm certainly disheartened about losing this game, no doubt. But, in no way will I put this loss solely on Jake. Yes, he made some mistakes....but, so did Walker, so did Smith, and so did serveral others on the team. Again, I'm not happy with our performance yesterday because I felt that we could have won that game. We are good enough. We just didn't play to the level we should have. I will continue to support every player on this team that our coaching staff feels should be out there on the field. If that makes me a "knobber" then so be it!

Jake hasn't played to the level he should at all this year. The defense is directly resposible for all 7 wins, and outscored the Broncos offense in the 2nd half.

SDs defense has given up more points in the last two weeks than the Broncos D in any two games this year, and yet they're 2-0 in those games because they have gotten very good play from their first year starter.

[dbfan4life]

I'm not outright calling for the rook but I agree with the consensus that the offense can't be worse with Culter in. If he's the QB OTF, then might as well get him is playing time and yes I thought the D sucked balls last night and am not basing my decision on the loss but the play of the QB and the offense overall. No denying Jake is a huge reason that unit is underperforming.

[Malcontent]

There's no point in throwing away the season on Jake, and wasting any of Cutler's development time. We can win with Jay if we can win with Jake.

That sounds like a campaign slogan!

" WE CAN WIN WITH JAY, IF WE CAN WIN WITH JAKE"

[ludo21]

And scoring 6 offensive points in the second half is acceptable?



that doesnt help my case. shhhhhhhhhh ;D


My thing is, if Shanny isnt going to play Jake to his strengths, then put JC in. Jake isnt a pocket QB, and altho he makes throws time to time, he is inconsistent, i agree.

I would say that Shanny needs to let the reins on jake loose, but he might have loosened them too much vs SD.

Too many 3 n outs!

Im running out of things to defend my guy on, and so is Shanny i would assum.e

[DenverBrit]

I don't know. I don't really believe that. The thing about good offenses like SD is that they will always find ways to score points. Our defense got caught out in a few big plays in the 2nd half where LT got a huge play against Ekuban etc. But you can't make it easy for them.

Like this crap: SD got excellent field position their last 4 TDs:

SD 40 7 60 Touchdown
SD 42 3 58 Touchdown
SD 45 7 55 Touchdown
DEN 23 5 23 Touchdown

They were literally starting at midfield on three of those TDs and the last one was a freakin' gift courtesy of Plummer who ONCE AGAIN turned the ball over in his own 20 yard area. THAT'S FOUR TIMES THIS SEASON U FREAKING' TRAITOR!

Yikes!

STs buried our D, and Plummer put the final nail in the coffin.

I couldn't agree more.
STs have always been a weak link, Sun night, they were consistent....terrible for all 4 qtrs.
Bradford needs replacing in that position. Maybe he's like Dennison, can't coach ST, but can do better elsewhere.

The chemistry on offense just isn't there. Jake is a 'lame duck' QB who I think
IS affected by Cutler waiting in the wings....and the loss of Kubes is also affecting him.
The disappearance of the TE play is a major problem this year, and takes away an important safety valve for plummer.
The running game has been hit and miss.
An every down power runner in the mold of Anderson and TD is what works with this offensive scheme.
Maybe one of the guys on the roster, M Bell, Cobbs or Nash could be the guy. Shanahan seems to still be looking for one of the guys to step up.

The D has played well against poor or average offensive teams and that has skewed the stats.
Against the Bolts & Colts, they couldn't stop either in the second half, giving up points on EVERY possession.
The concept of 'bend but don't break' seems bogus to me.
Anytime a team is allowed to march up and down the field, it gives up a lot;
poor field position has been a problem all year, time of possession affects the D in the second half, which may account for some of the problems, but not all.
The fact is, the front four can't get it done against good offensive lines, and if there is an accurate QB who is given all day to pick apart the secondary, he does.

Nothing that hasn't been discussed before, but we are looking at a transition year.

[Jetmeck]

There's no point in throwing away the season on Jake, and wasting any of Cutler's development time. We can win with Jay if we can win with Jake.

I agree, for the most part Shanny is protecting JAKE and leaning on the run game although he should leaned more
on the run game last night. So if your not expecting much from your QB except some timely short throws and a couple of shots down field.....isn't Cutler up to that and handing the ball off ?

Shanny has even taken out the roll outs so the mobility isn't in Jakes favor either, although I don't know for sure but Cutler may be very mobile also.

[Northman]

that doesnt help my case. shhhhhhhhhh ;D


My thing is, if Shanny isnt going to play Jake to his strengths, then put JC in. Jake isnt a pocket QB, and altho he makes throws time to time, he is inconsistent, i agree.

I would say that Shanny needs to let the reins on jake loose, but he might have loosened them too much vs SD.

Too many 3 n outs!

Im running out of things to defend my guy on, and so is Shanny i would assum.e




All i know is its sad watching Jake now a days. I watched this guy in College and then in Az and said " man, if only he played on a decent team like Denver ". Then when he came here i was really excited and thought he would be the missing piece. Sometimes he looked like that guy but most of the time it was the mistake guy who showed up. Its just a shame that Jake didnt turn out to be the Qb everyone thought he would be. You can tell he wants to win and is a competitor but he just doesnt have " it " to get it done when necessary. I dont know what the future holds for him but i hope that someday he can hold that trophy. I just know it wont be with us.

[Little44]

SIX MORE GAMES!!!

Left in Jake's career with the Broncos

LOL