#2 Michigan @ #1 Ohio State

[SouthStndJunkie]

Time to get it on.

I scored a seat at face value for the game.

Time to cross enemy lines to get the victory.

Go Blue!

[TexanBob]

Now that I no longer care how Ohio St. helps Texas in the BCS rankings, I can start hating the f***eyes again.

GO BLUE!!!!

[youcandoit1687]

im in the go blue corner as well. the media sure was ready to go into full hump mode once each of these teams had a two digit lead. i hope its a blowout so that there is no talk of a rematch. it will most likely be a classic though. i think michigan wins a close one, possibly overtime. hasnt OSU had trouble with their kicker?

[SouthStndJunkie]

Michigan has the best front four in the nation. They will need those guys to play lights out to have a chance. If Michigan comes out and plays with the same intensity they did at ND, then they can win the game.

Ohio State will be well prepared as always. I hope Michigan comes up with a stellar game plan.

[Northman]

Will be a interesting game and most likely one of the best of the year. Dont really care for either team so ill jus watch in anticipation. :)

[anthonypacino]

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LET IT BEGIN...
That State up north doesn't stand a chance, not in the Shoe' not this year, nobody has the answer for Smith, Ginn, GONZO, Pittman, Wells, Hartline, Robiske. They can't defend them all, Sorry Michigan but 10-1 is pretty good and the Rose Bowl is one hell of a consolation prize (Ohio St. hasn't been to one since they beat Jake Plummer in 97)

[Garcia Bronco]

Go Hokies!!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

:wave:

[Jens1893]

Go Buckeyes!

Shame I´ll be out of town this weekend.

[missingnumber7]

I hate the fact that people think that there could be a rematch for a national championship...screw BCS...screw waiting till january...just award the damn trophy saturday.

[SoCalBronco]

I don't know who to root for. I wish we still had ties and no OT so that there could be a rematch keeping U$C out of the title game.

I really hate O$U, but if Michigan won, I think U$C could possibly beat them and I really don't want to see U$C fraud out another title. If Ohio $tate won, they would definitely ass rape U$C, because the Bucks are definitely the best team this year, but I'd still be left with the unnacceptable result of O$U winning the title.

This sucks.

[Jose Chung]

Am I the only one who thinks these teams are overrated? Just listen for a second before you bash me.

OOC: Texas (looks overrated), Notre Dame, everyone else is a joke.

Ranked teams in Big 10: 3/11, also Ohio State missed the other ranked team (Wisconsin) this year.

If I were these two teams, I wouldn't want to play USC if they win out. If they win out, they will have played 5 ranked teams and 6 road games. The Big XII North Champion (Nebraska), likely SEC West Champ (Arkansas) and rival Notre Dame, along with Oregon and Cal for conference play. So, the Trojans lost to Oregon State by 2 at least they're probably going to a bowl. The Pac-10 is not full of cupcakes this year 7/8 out of 10 teams are likely to go to a bowl game this year. Unlike Illinois and Ball State that both each gave Ohio State and Michigan a scare.

[SoCalBronco]

Am I the only one who thinks these teams are overrated? Just listen for a second before you bash me.

OOC: Texas (looks overrated), Notre Dame, everyone else is a joke.

Ranked teams in Big 10: 3/11, also Ohio State missed the other ranked team (Wisconsin) this year.

If I were these two teams, I wouldn't want to play USC if they win out. If they win out, they will have played 5 ranked teams and 6 road games. The Big XII North Champion (Nebraska), likely SEC West Champ (Arkansas) and rival Notre Dame, along with Oregon and Cal for conference play. So, the Trojans lost to Oregon State by 2 at least they're probably going to a bowl. The Pac-10 is not full of cupcakes this year 7/8 out of 10 teams are likely to go to a bowl game this year. Unlike Illinois and Ball State that both each gave Ohio State and Michigan a scare.


Michigan would struggle a little with USC, but I think OSU* would beat them handily. I don't think USC is that good at all......they continually struggle and perform like ****. I really want to see them get humiliated. They've struggled against scrubs all year, much like their 2004 team. I really hope Cal, ND or UCLA can beat them...and ****ing humiliate them. You guys almost beat them earlier this year, if your offense was just a little better you would have done it.

[Jose Chung]

Michigan would struggle a little with USC, but I think OSU* would beat them handily. I don't think USC is that good at all......they continually struggle and perform like ****. I really want to see them get humiliated. They've struggled against scrubs all year, much like their 2004 team. I really hope Cal, ND or UCLA can beat them...and ****ing humiliate them. You guys almost beat them earlier this year, if your offense was just a little better you would have done it.

You keep avoiding the fact that they haven't played anyone. Sure have you seen the scores that USC has put up on ****ty teams like Stanford. That's like Michigan or Ohio State beating Michigan State. You keep forgetting USC struggled in 2005 against Pac-10 competition, then destroyed OU in the Championship game. If they come through this 3 ranked teams stretch of (Oregon, Cal and Notre Dame) and beat UCLA. Those wins along with quality wins against Arkansas and Nebraska. I think they deserve playing for the National Championship.

Yeah, but at least we upset Cal. Arizona tends to upset someone once a year down in the Desert. Last year it was #7 UCLA, this year it was #8 Cal. At least we have a chance to go to a bowl. Last time we went to a bowl was in 1998, the end of the Desert Swarm days, a Holiday Bowl win over Nebraska.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

This sucks.

Yep, but Florida will embarass them to honor Elvis on his birthday ;D

[Jose Chung]

Yep, but Florida will embarass them to honor Elvis on his birthday ;D

Florida doesn't play a ranked team until the SEC Championship game (likely Arkansas) and they aren't guaranteed to win. Along with that they play a 1AA team too.

[anthonypacino]

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2 more days...

[anthonypacino]

The Dept. of Homeland Security has obtained these photos and have put the entire city of Columbus on high alert, apparently the Wolverines have a new leader...http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/anthonypacino/398028621_l.jpghttp://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/anthonypacino/389725246_l.jpg

[Crushaholic]

My ex-girlfriend was from Michigan. Go Ohio State!!!

[TexanBob]

The team with the best chance to destroy USC is Cal. The Bears looked ahead and forgot to take care of business. Now, they will show up mad as hell and unconcerned about their rankings or standings.

You always fear a good team with nothing to lose.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Bo passed away today.

RIP

GO BLUE!

[Rohirrim]

GO BLUE! DO IT FOR SC! (Ha! That one was for Socal)

[anthonypacino]

I am so amped for this game, I don't know if I am even able to go to sleep. This is truly a historic game and either way it will be one for the books. I just don't think the Wolverines have what it takes to stop Troy Smith, he has destroyed them in the past and he has got better every year, he has so much poise and truly can take the game into his own hands. I don't think USC can run the table either, Cal, ND, UCLA is pretty rough, WV will stop Rutgers so that will squash that talk, I don't know how ND could jump over the Wolverines with that whupping they got earlier in the year against them. If Arkansas can beat Fla. and USC loses I think they would get a shot in the title game but if USC wins out that 55 that the Trojans put on them in the first game won't allow the Backs' to get in even with a win over the Gators. After this week every other game will take care of itself. I don't think any controversy will hang over the BCS this season. I don't think anyone outside of the sports radio/writers want to see a rematch for the title game. I know other teams have to rematch for a conference title but basically that is what tomorrow's game is, no way would Nebraska have to play Texas in a bowl game, so I don't see why the Bucks and the Wolverines would have to.

[ohiobronco2]

I am so amped for this game, I don't know if I am even able to go to sleep. This is truly a historic game and either way it will be one for the books. I just don't think the Wolverines have what it takes to stop Troy Smith, he has destroyed them in the past and he has got better every year, he has so much poise and truly can take the game into his own hands. I don't think USC can run the table either, Cal, ND, UCLA is pretty rough, WV will stop Rutgers so that will squash that talk, I don't know how ND could jump over the Wolverines with that whupping they got earlier in the year against them. If Arkansas can beat Fla. and USC loses I think they would get a shot in the title game but if USC wins out that 55 that the Trojans put on them in the first game won't allow the Backs' to get in even with a win over the Gators. After this week every other game will take care of itself. I don't think any controversy will hang over the BCS this season. I don't think anyone outside of the sports radio/writers want to see a rematch for the title game. I know other teams have to rematch for a conference title but basically that is what tomorrow's game is, no way would Nebraska have to play Texas in a bowl game, so I don't see why the Bucks and the Wolverines would have to.

I live about 5 miles from the Shoe and I'm going to be attending the game today. It is about 10 A.M in Ohio right now and traffic is already backing up in front of my house. I'm going to post a link that some of you Michigan fans will surely enjoy. I think this is going to be a great game and as if both teams weren't going to be fired up enough to begin with, the passing of Bo will surely make it even more difficult for a Buckeye win. I think Ohio State has a arguably the best offense in the nation and surely the best Michigan has faced all year long. Defensively I think Michigan has a slightly better front line than OSU ( Though Pitcock, Gholston, Richardson are pretty da*n good as well), but eventhough Michigan has the Great Leon Hall, I think OSU has the better secondary.On Special teams I think we have the advantage of Ginn and Gonzalez over Just Breaston for Michigan. Michigan Has a better and more experienced kicker in Rivas. This has all of the makings of an instant classic.

I don't understand why so many teams are questioning the abilities of both of these teams. They are both undefeated to this point and in the case of OSU have only had one close game. They crushed Texas (who is not overrated, they are a good football team, they wouldn't have lost last week if not for losing McCoy.) 24-7 (Texas only score came on a BOGUS roughing the passer call) and beat two other highly ranked teams at the time. USC has had good team the last 4-5 years, but this year they are not nearly as good, either one of these teams would expose them as the frauds they really are. If USC would have a rematch against Arkansas I'd guarnatee a USC a** whooping. They have had about 5 really close games.

Here is the link I promised for you Michigan Fans

http://buckeyefansonly.com/notsun/

[Play2win]

Michigan - USC National Championship.

[Orange_Beard]

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2 more days...

Shows what that fine OSU degree is worth,
$200 a day. NICE.

[Clockwork Orange]

I figure this game is big enough to have a thread on the main page.

I have no stake in this one, so I'm just hoping for a good game to watch.

The question being, if this game is decided by three points or less, should these two have a rematch in the National Championship game?

[Northman]

I think it would be worth it. I know Bobby B. was pissed about his rematch with Florida but sometimes that is the way to go. Im pulling for Michigan but in the end it doesnt matter who wins. Like you, i want a good game. Then ill watch Wake Forest and VaTech tonight. Im still a firm believer that if Rutgers runs the table and Ohio St. or Michigan are still undefeated they should play for the Title.

[watermock]

I agree...it's a historic game.

[Clockwork Orange]

First time in the history of the rivalry that they've come into the game ranked #1 & #2.

Keep an eye on Buckeye DT Quinn Pitcock and Wolverine DE Lamarr Woodley. Both of them look like first rounders and both could be getting consideration from our very own Denver Broncos on draft day.

[watermock]

This one's for Bo.

[Clockwork Orange]

Brent Musberger has uttered the words, "You are looking live at......"

It's officially game time. :)

[epicSocialism4tw]

Alright, clam it up Musberger.

[bfoflcommish]

Alright, clam it up Musberger.


Well you know since this isn't a big game maybe you should just go mow the lawn, go grocery shopping, or do some other errands, I mean this game really means nothing since it's just a regular seson game.

[Clockwork Orange]

Nice show of class by the fans in honoring Bo Schembechler.

[Clockwork Orange]

Wow. Michigan makes it look easy on their first drive. Chad Henne is locked in early.

[Northman]

I knew Michigan could move the ball on OSU. But now im curious how Michigan's defense responds to OSU's offense.

[Clockwork Orange]

Ted Ginn vs Leon Hall is gonna be fun to watch all day.

[Northman]

Damn, Biggs with a one arm tackle. lol

[Clockwork Orange]

Ohio State comes right back. This one's living up to it's billing so far.

[-Slap-]

I waited until this morning and the number dropped to Ohio State -6.5, so I got a little bit of that.

[Clockwork Orange]

Derek Jeter is a Michigan guy? Didn't know that.

The city of Boston is now rooting for the Buckeyes.

[elsid13]

Good game so far

[-Slap-]

The Buckeyes simply have too many weapons.

[Clockwork Orange]

First huge play of the game is made by Ohio State. 52 yard TD run.

[Clockwork Orange]

Dumb, dumb mistake by Ohio State. It won't go in the stats as one, but that's a turnover.

[Northman]

It seems OSU's defense has showed up more than Michigan's. Tough game so far.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I waited until this morning and the number dropped to Ohio State -6.5, so I got a little bit of that.
Which way?


Ah, never mind, I seen which way.

[Clockwork Orange]

Buckeyes are rolling now.

[Northman]

Huge play. Wolverines are in trouble now.

[Kaylore]

The Buckeyes simply have too many weapons.

And Michigan has none. Losing your defensive tackle in the first quarter never helps.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Wolverines still in business.

[Clockwork Orange]

Michigan comes back with a big play of their own. It's still a game.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Speaking of Wolverines, hey mock, I see you lurking here, have any more of these guys been rooting around your chicken coup?


http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/collections/mammalogy/mamwash/Images/wolverine.jpg

[Clockwork Orange]

Ohio State regains their two TD lead. Michigan's defense is just getting abused.

[watermock]

It's chicken coop dimwit, not coup.

[-Slap-]

Ohio State's offense is better than the Trojan offense was the last couple years.

[watermock]

The OSU QB is outstanding. Period. He's throwing needles in a haystack, and the scheme is good.

OSU is dominating.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It's chicken coop dimwit, not coup.
The Chicken Coup (http://tinyurl.com/y2u89m)

[Spider]

The Chicken Coup (http://tinyurl.com/y2u89m)

LOL

[watermock]

A farmer goes out one day and buys a brand new stud rooster for his chicken coup.

Your an incredible idiot.

I'm not respoinsible for your stuidity and having you be such a moron that you don't know it'a coop. And I'm not a chicken farmer dickhead.

I have had chicken manure hauled from Tyson foods for fertilizer. Nasty business. Cheap tho.

You wouldn't know a weed from a bean.

[elsid13]

Surprise how OSU is moving the ball.

[Clockwork Orange]

Huge three and out for the Wolverines to start the half.

[elsid13]

Nice stop by UM defense to start the 2nd half

[Clockwork Orange]

Big momentum swing to start the half for Michigan. They get Ohio State off the field quickly and then drive right down the field and get back within 7.

I'm getting my wish on this one, it's been a hell of a game so far.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Michigan back in it again.



. And I'm not a chicken farmer dickhead.

I thought you said you had Wolverines in your chicken coup?

[elsid13]

Wow, UM looks like a different team

[Clockwork Orange]

Michigan comes up with the INT.

Ohio State had everything going their way at the half, but thisgame has done a complete 180.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Only got 3 off that TO, might come back to get em in the end.

[Clockwork Orange]

Michigan is within 4 after the FG.

Slap's Ohio State cover is looking shaky at the moment.

[-Slap-]

Michigan is within 4 after the FG.

Slap's Ohio State cover is looking shaky at the moment.

Too many weapons.......:)

[Clockwork Orange]

Damn, the Buckeyes swing things again with another huge run to take a ten point lead.

Back and forth, back and forth.

[Clockwork Orange]

Too many weapons.......:)

Oh come on, you had to get a little nervous with the way the second half started. ;D

[elsid13]

Surprised on the big runs by OSU in this game, I thought this would be a defense struggle.

[-Slap-]

Oh come on, you had to get a little nervous with the way the second half started. ;D

Not really. I know Tressel and I know what he's got.

The Auburn game has me plenty nervous, though.

[Clockwork Orange]

Not really. I know Tressel and I know what he's got.

Yeah, well, you've got Frolov on your bench and he's got a PP goal and a SH goal today. Take that, cool breeze. :wiggle:

[-Slap-]

Yeah, well, you've got Frolov on your bench and he's got a PP goal and a SH goal today. Take that, cool breeze. :wiggle:

That sucks my balls.

[-Slap-]

YES!

Touchdown Auburn!

Nice execution on the two point conversion, too.

[Clockwork Orange]

That sucks my balls.

Ryan Smyth is chained to my bench and he's netted three this week. I know the feeling.

Staying on topic, Michigan is on the move again.

[Clockwork Orange]

Michigan throws a 5 yard pass on 4th & 10. That reminds me of the Brian Griese days with the Broncos.

[Play2win]

Damn, the Buckeyes swing things again with another huge run to take a ten point lead.

Back and forth, back and forth.

HUGE, HUGE HOLD on that run. Total takedown from behind, pulling the DT down down to the ground. I just watched it on replay about 5 or 10 times, it was completely obvious.

The hold was such a big hold, it was just as bad as some of those Gerard Warren holds.

[Clockwork Orange]

Why on earth do you throw deep on 3rd & 1 when Mike Hart is killing the Buckeyes defense?

[Clockwork Orange]

Another huge momentum swing as Michigan comes up with a fumble deep in Buckeye territory.

Back and forth, all day.

[rbackfactory80]

How many chances can Michigan have

[Clockwork Orange]

TD Michigan on the end around. The Wolverines just won't go away.

[Pendejo]

TD Michigan on the end around. The Wolverines just won't go away.

I thought the knee was down.

[-Slap-]

Whoa!

:D

[Clockwork Orange]

Take it off the board, down at the 1/2 yard line. 3rd & goal coming up.

[Taco John]

This game is starting to live up to all of the hype...

[Pendejo]

They stuck it in anyway.

[Clockwork Orange]

Hart powers in for his 3rd TD of the game.

[Northman]

Go Blue!

[elsid13]

wasted TO, Michigan is looking to swing the momentum to them again

[Clockwork Orange]

What a spin move by Ginn.

[Clockwork Orange]

Another bad snap and Michigan comes up with it again!

Unbelievable.

[-Slap-]

This is getting ridiculous.

[-Slap-]

What a dumb penalty.

[Clockwork Orange]

Dumb penalty. You know they're calling those hits and you do it anyway, on 3rd & 15.

[Clockwork Orange]

And the undisciplined penalty comes back to haunt the Wolverines. Smith throws his 4th TD of the game.

[Northman]

That penalty cost them bigtime. Game over.

[Clockwork Orange]

A PI call and Michigan is still breathing.

[bfoflcommish]

HELL YES!!! I was rooting for UM but I am not mad, this was 1 helluva game!


2:30 left slim chance but still a chance...HOW CAN THEY NOT PLAY AGAIN??????

[Clockwork Orange]

Michigan scores with 2:16 to go. 2 point conversion attempt coming up.

[bfoflcommish]

Td Um!!!!

Going For 2

[Northman]

3 Pt game. But Michigan will need a onsides kick to get it back.

[Clockwork Orange]

The get the two point conversion. 42-39 with 2:16 to go.

Michigan is all out of timeouts, though.

[Clockwork Orange]

Ginn recovers the onside kick. That should just about do it.

[Northman]

This game was close. People will make a arguement that they should play again.

[CBF1]

Lets hope they do not play again. Ohio State won the game, Michigan lost and should drop down giving it to either USC, Florida or Rutgers. Anyway it goes the BCS will some how, some way F it up again.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Congrats to Ohio State! Michigan played well, they should play again for all the marbles in January.

[Northman]

Lets hope they do not play again. Ohio State won the game, Michigan lost and should drop down giving it to either USC, Florida or Rutgers. Anyway it goes the BCS will some how, some way F it up again.



Well, if there is any team of the 3 you mentioned it should be Rutgers if they win out.

[bfoflcommish]

I am just glad that the refs played no factor and both teams bruoght it, OSU just wanted it that much more!

The 2 best teams played tonight!!!

[Pendejo]

The roughing the quarterback penalty against Michigan pretty much sealed their fate.

All in all it was a pretty entertaining game.

[JCMElway]

Ah well. An OSU win. Helluva game tho'. I doubt that UM falls farther down in the BCS than 3. If they fall at all.

If USC falters, I think UM should be in the title game.

[JCMElway]

I'm probably preaching to the choir, but this is why there should be a playoff system. Both U of M and OSU deserve a shot at the title game. If there was a playoff, Michigan would get that opportunity. Being dismissed from national title contention when 2 teams are this good (or more than two teams) is just not right.

[Garcia Bronco]

this was a good game...neither team has really lived up to the hype...but what do I know

[JCMElway]

this was a good game...neither team has really lived up to the hype...but what do I know

Do you think there are other teams out there that would beat UM or OSU on a neutral field?

[freak6]

The roughing the quarterback penalty against Michigan pretty much sealed their fate.

All in all it was a pretty entertaining game.

I couldn't believe that guy hit the QB. #2. He's feeling pretty down right now. Michegan blitzed so much, but Troy Smith played outstanding football IMO. He really showed a ton of poise stepping into his throws and following through with his arm despite the pressure in his face. I am very impressed.

I don't understand why Michegan passed on that 3rd and 3 though!!! The running game was good for 5 yards per carry today. Then they had to punt and OSU took advantage.

Oh well. Great game. To bad that penalty kept it alive for OSU.

[JCMElway]

One more thought: Does anyone think that the 2pt conversion UM got may put them in the national title game? If the margin in the BCS is slim the difference between a 3 pt and a 5 pt loss could be huge.

[ohiobronco2]

Michigan - USC National Championship.

Looks like you might have just lost your job with Ms. Cleo. :thumbs:

[Sassy]

Great game....I can't believe they scored over 80 points!

[shakenbake]

One more thought: Does anyone think that the 2pt conversion UM got may put them in the national title game? If the margin in the BCS is slim the difference between a 3 pt and a 5 pt loss could be huge.

BCS doesn't compute margin of victory anymore.

[anthonypacino]

Who's Next?

[Garcia Bronco]

Do you think there are other teams out there that would beat UM or OSU on a neutral field?

absolutely

[Northman]

Who's Next?

Looks like USC although they got their hands full with Cal right now.

[Taco John]

Michigan > USC

[2KBack]

Michigan is probably better than anyone else who comes along, but OSU shouldn't have to beat them twice to earn the championship. Think about it, if they have a rematch, and then michigan wins, who is the actual national champion? Basically it would be a series tied at 1.

[ludo21]

Michigan is probably better than anyone else who comes along, but OSU shouldn't have to beat them twice to earn the championship. Think about it, if they have a rematch, and then michigan wins, who is the actual national champion? Basically it would be a series tied at 1.



i never thought about that. Great point!

But if they are the best team left, why not put them in?

[2KBack]

It's the basic flaw of college football. Without a playoff system people will always argue that their team deserves a shot at the title. Michigan just had their shot, they had the best chance (of any team) in the country to prove they should be national champions and lost. Now another team should get a shot. In the NFL you don't get the arguments becasue of the playoff system. 1998 for example, most people in the country think the Minnesota was the best team in the NFC, but Atlanta beat them. Maybe the Vickings were the best, but they failed to prove it when absolutely neccessary. The same thing just happened to Michigan, there may not be official playoffs, but as far as I'm concerned they should be out. They should have taken care of buisness today.

[ludo21]

A playoff system imo would make the same amount of moeny for schools, why not go to it, its really baffling to me.

[JCMElway]

BCS doesn't compute margin of victory anymore.

Oh. Frick.

[JCMElway]

absolutely

Care to say who they are? And would they beat both teams, or just one of them?

[ohiobronco2]

absolutely

How about some teams and reasons why they could beat OSU.

[TexanBob]

In my playoff system, you would take the top eight conference champions and use the BCS to seed the teams. No wild cards. Notre Dame (and any other independent) are treated like a conference unto themselves. If they rank higher than the eighth highest ranked conference champ, they are in.

It settles the NC question as fairly as possible. No team has a right to complain since they all had the chance to win their conference and make the rankings. It practically insures that at least one of the non-six conferences has a representative in the playoff (so, no complaining from MWC, C-USA, MAC, etc.) yet keeps the playoffs to a manageable level.

The quarterfinals would be held at the higher seed's home field so this year's entries might look like:

8) Georgia Tech* at 1) Ohio State
7) Texas* at 2) USC
6) Boise St. at 3) Notre Dame
5) Louisville* at 4) Arkansas*

* - conference champion not yet determined, subject to change.

Two Jan 1st bowls would host the semi-finals and one bowl would have the championship game at least 7 days later. All other bowl eligible teams can continue to fill the remaining bowl schedule as before.

[JCMElway]

In my playoff system, you would take the top eight conference champions and use the BCS to seed the teams. No wild cards. Notre Dame (and any other independent) are treated like a conference unto themselves. If they rank higher than the eighth highest ranked conference champ, they are in.

8) Georgia Tech* at 1) Ohio State
7) Texas* at 2) USC
6) Boise St. at 3) Notre Dame
5) Louisville* at 4) Arkansas*

* - conference champion not yet determined, subject to change.

Two Jan 1st bowls would host the semi-finals and one bowl would have the championship game at least 7 days later. All other bowl eligible teams can continue to fill the remaining bowl schedule as before.

I don't agree with that ranking system. You'd leave out a lot of high quality teams! I would not have auto bids for conferences, there are too many of them. Besides, the Big East, MAC, and WAC (or whatever the hell they're called these days) all pretty much blow. I'd say keep the BCS system and use it to rank the top eight teams.

The BCS isn't a perfect system to get #1 and #2, but it gets the top eight well enough.

[2KBack]

I don't agree with that ranking system. You'd leave out a lot of high quality teams! I would not have auto bids for conferences, there are too many of them. Besides, the Big East, MAC, and WAC (or whatever the hell they're called these days) all pretty much blow. I'd say keep the BCS system and use it to rank the top eight teams.

The BCS isn't a perfect system to get #1 and #2, but it gets the top eight well enough.


so you'd rather have 2 teams (decided by computers) with a shot at the national championship than 8?

[ludo21]

I wouldnt mind the BCS staying incolved with the top 25, and choosing the elite 8 from it, but from there, let the teams play it out for the NC.

[JCMElway]

so you'd rather have 2 teams (decided by computers) with a shot at the national championship than 8?

That's not what I'm saying. I DON'T like choosing just the top two with computers. However, I have no problem using the BCS to set the top 8. For example, Rutgers lost tonight. So let's say the BCS rankings looked like this (and for arguments sake let's say USC wins out and moves ahead of Michigan. Notre Dame falls out of the top 8 because of two losses):

1. Ohio State
2. USC
3. Michigan
4. Florida
5. Arkansas
6. West Virginia
7. Wisconsin
8. Boise State

In this scenario Bosie play OSU, USC plays Wisconsin, UM play WVU, and Arkansas plays Florida. All very interesting matchups, and more fair than just taking the top team from each conference.

[JCMElway]

I wouldnt mind the BCS staying incolved with the top 25, and choosing the elite 8 from it, but from there, let the teams play it out for the NC.

That's exactly what I'm talking about!

[NFLBRONCO]

What the BCS needs is ND to beat USC and Fl drop a game. Mich hammered ND so rematch is set.

[JCMElway]

What the BCS needs is ND to beat USC and Fl drop a game. Mich hammered ND so rematch is set.

I wouldn't worry about FL. Their schedule is pretty weak, and they may just lose to LSU.

However, does the BCS take into account one team beating another during the season? Is it possible for ND to jump Michigan if they win out?

[azbroncfan]

I wouldn't worry about FL. Their schedule is pretty weak, and they may just lose to LSU.

However, does the BCS take into account one team beating another during the season? Is it possible for ND to jump Michigan if they win out?

Doesn't ARK play FL??

[NFLBRONCO]

Doesn't ARK play FL??

Ark still has LSU and FL has Florida ST

[NFLBRONCO]

I wouldn't worry about FL. Their schedule is pretty weak, and they may just lose to LSU.

However, does the BCS take into account one team beating another during the season? Is it possible for ND to jump Michigan if they win out?

Mich stomped ND how could they jump Mich?

[JCMElway]

Doesn't ARK play FL??

Ah. Looked at the schedule wrong. The big matchups are:

Fla @ Fla State
ND @ USC
LSU @ Arkansas

and then

USC @ UCLA

And I'm not sure if any conference championships will help decide anything. Maybe the SEC championship.

And I would think MI would be always ahead of ND, I'm just not sure what the BCS takes into account to make their rankings.

Edit -- I know what I was thinking. Arkansas will probably play Florida for the SEC championship. Whoever wins that game, that will make the top 8 look very different.

[anthonypacino]

Mich stomped ND how could they jump Mich?

Stranger things have happened. The Bucks took care of business and will line up against anybody they match them with

[Taco John]

That's not what I'm saying. I DON'T like choosing just the top two with computers. However, I have no problem using the BCS to set the top 8. For example, Rutgers lost tonight. So let's say the BCS rankings looked like this (and for arguments sake let's say USC wins out and moves ahead of Michigan. Notre Dame falls out of the top 8 because of two losses):

1. Ohio State
2. USC
3. Michigan
4. Florida
5. Arkansas
6. West Virginia
7. Wisconsin
8. Boise State

In this scenario Bosie play OSU, USC plays Wisconsin, UM play WVU, and Arkansas plays Florida. All very interesting matchups, and more fair than just taking the top team from each conference.



That would be awesome, but I just don't see how anybody could have USC at the nubmer two spot after they lost to the Beavers. Michigan deserves the number 2 spot, not USC.

[theAPAOps5]

I say get rid of the ridiculous conference championship games. They are usually pretty pointless. I say you make a tournament with 32 teams. This amounts to a 5 week tourny. If you get rid of the conference championship games drop the season down by a game and play during the 3-4 week bye weeks its doable. I also think you force the indys like ND to pick a conference as that is the only way you participate. How you come up with the 32 teams takes a little more thought but 32 teams incorporates at least a few of the minor conferences and a true winner comes out. Thats just my opinion though.

[2KBack]

That's not what I'm saying. I DON'T like choosing just the top two with computers. However, I have no problem using the BCS to set the top 8. For example, Rutgers lost tonight. So let's say the BCS rankings looked like this (and for arguments sake let's say USC wins out and moves ahead of Michigan. Notre Dame falls out of the top 8 because of two losses):

1. Ohio State
2. USC
3. Michigan
4. Florida
5. Arkansas
6. West Virginia
7. Wisconsin
8. Boise State

In this scenario Bosie play OSU, USC plays Wisconsin, UM play WVU, and Arkansas plays Florida. All very interesting matchups, and more fair than just taking the top team from each conference.

I gotcha

[2KBack]

If Florida wins out, I would support them as #2

[Garcia Bronco]

I think ND, GT, VT, Fla, USC, WVU, and Louisville could all win against any Big Ten team on a neutral field. Maybe Texas as well.`

[Drek]

Mich stomped ND how could they jump Mich?

Because the BCS is largely a computer system that doesn't give a **** about previous opponents except for how they rate in the strength of schedule calculations, and the people who will take that into account (coach and AP poles) will be more concerned with the recent history, OSU beating Michigan and ND beating USC (if that doesn't happen ND isn't even in the discussion, USC is and jumps Michigan).

I could see the logic behind it myself. I watch Notre Dame pretty regularly, they're a different team now than they were earlier in the season. They were relying on a lot of underclassmen and Quinn didn't have a familiarity with McKnight like he did last year with Stovall (plus I don't think Samardjza was in football shape after playing baseball all summer). They've rounded into form now, if they prove it by beating USC on the road thats a pretty damn impressive win and one deserving of a national championship bid, assuming Florida wasn't win out, beating FSU and Arkansas along the way. Big conference fans shouldn't be hating on conference championship games. While they do put an undefeated team in jeopardy some years you also have seasons like this one where assuming Florida and Arkansas wins out the SEC championship will likely decide OSU's opponent in the championship game. Its too big a win by both the computer poles (huge strength of schedule win, plus giving them an extra game played) and coach/AP poles (as it'll be nationally televised and highly publicized) for other schools to compete with.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Arkansas has LSU @ Little Rock to wrap up the regular season... then Florida in the SEC championship. LSU will be the tougher of the two games. Oh, I would love to see us win out... and USC drop a game.

[Garcia Bronco]

Every conference should have a conference Championship. I question the strength of any team that doesn't play one.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Every conference should have a conference Championship. I question the strength of any team that doesn't play one.

This is true... and why the SEC gets routine hosed in the national championship picture.

[ohiobronco2]

I think ND, GT, VT, Fla, USC, and Louisville could all win against any Big Ten team on a neutral field.


Last year a better OSU (In my opinion) team played ND and obsolutely crushed them. The game was much worse than the actual score. Georgia Tech has a decent football team, but I'm sorry their Quarterback Ball is not a solid quarterback and I'm affraid would struggle against a team with a solid pass rush. Virginia Tech (I know you're a big fan) has had great teams over the years but both of the top teams in the big ten would defeat them. Florida, some games they look pretty good, others not so much. With the SEC I don't know if it's inconsistency on so many teams behalf or if the football is so great in that conference that every week is a tough game for even the top teams. USC would have a shot against OSU or Michigan, but they too are very inconsistent. One week they will play excellent football against a good opponent and the next week they will allow an average opponent to hang around and in the case of Oregon State, that bit them in the ***. Louisville with a healthy Michael Bush and Brohm would have a chance against any of the top teams in the country. Just my opinion.

[Garcia Bronco]

"Last year a better OSU (In my opinion) team played ND and obsolutely crushed them. The game was much worse than the actual score."

This isn't last year and I hate me some ND, but they're playing pretty good. Much like OSU, when you have a great QB you can beat anybody

"Georgia Tech has a decent football team, but I'm sorry their Quarterback Ball is not a solid quarterback and I'm affraid would struggle against a team with a solid pass rush. Virginia Tech (I know you're a big fan) has had great teams over the years but both of the top teams in the big ten would defeat them."

Anytime you have teams with great defenses you can win. This would include GT and Virginia Tech.

"Florida, some games they look pretty good, others not so much. With the SEC I don't know if it's inconsistency on so many teams behalf or if the football is so great in that conference that every week is a tough game for even the top teams."

That's exactly what it is and the same is for the ACC. Even though the ACC is a little down from most of the conference starting new QB's, still a tough game every week

"USC would have a shot against OSU or Michigan, but they too are very inconsistent. One week they will play excellent football against a good opponent and the next week they will allow an average opponent to hang around and in the case of Oregon State, that bit them in the ***."

USC has the best college coach in D1 and some great players. I'm sure he could find a way to help his team beat both Mich and/or OSU on a neutral field.

"Louisville with a healthy Michael Bush and Brohm would have a chance against any of the top teams in the country. Just my opinion."

Louisville and WVU could do that, and I think WVU is a better team even though they lost to Lousiville.

[Garcia Bronco]

This is true... and why the SEC gets routine hosed in the national championship picture.

It's why really the only championship that matters is the conference championship. The National Championship doesn't really exist in D-1 football

[anthonypacino]

No matter who goes, Ohio St. will win. Nobody can hang with them this year

[Sassy]

Seems Michigan hung with them pretty well yesterday...
Unfortunately, that penalty was huge.

[shakenbake]

As to the question of how ND could jump Michigan after Michigan beat theam earlier in the year. If you remember a few years ago Miami beat Flordia St. durring the season but at the end of the year Florida St. played in the NC game against the Hokies I believe or was that a different year when they played Oklahoma ?

[Garcia Bronco]

Seems Michigan hung with them pretty well yesterday...
Unfortunately, that penalty was huge.

I didn't like that call.

[Garcia Bronco]

As to the question of how ND could jump Michigan after Michigan beat theam earlier in the year. If you remember a few years ago Miami beat Flordia St. durring the season but at the end of the year Florida St. played in the NC game against the Hokies I believe or was that a different year when they played Oklahoma ?

Oklahoma

[anthonypacino]

Seems Michigan hung with them pretty well yesterday...
Unfortunately, that penalty was huge.

Nah, Ohio St. pretty much dominated the entire game with either a 14 or 11 point lead. The 2 botched snaps gave Michigan 10 points back. Also a uncalled facemask penalty, and the incomplete pass that wasnt reviewed that set up their last minute TD.

[anthonypacino]

I didn't like that call.

WTF? That was clear as day. Helmet 2 Helmet on the QB Smith wasnt even in a postion to defend himself

[Northman]

"Last year a better OSU (In my opinion) team played ND and obsolutely crushed them. The game was much worse than the actual score."

This isn't last year and I hate me some ND, but they're playing pretty good. Much like OSU, when you have a great QB you can beat anybody

"Georgia Tech has a decent football team, but I'm sorry their Quarterback Ball is not a solid quarterback and I'm affraid would struggle against a team with a solid pass rush. Virginia Tech (I know you're a big fan) has had great teams over the years but both of the top teams in the big ten would defeat them."

Anytime you have teams with great defenses you can win. This would include GT and Virginia Tech.

"Florida, some games they look pretty good, others not so much. With the SEC I don't know if it's inconsistency on so many teams behalf or if the football is so great in that conference that every week is a tough game for even the top teams."

That's exactly what it is and the same is for the ACC. Even though the ACC is a little down from most of the conference starting new QB's, still a tough game every week

"USC would have a shot against OSU or Michigan, but they too are very inconsistent. One week they will play excellent football against a good opponent and the next week they will allow an average opponent to hang around and in the case of Oregon State, that bit them in the ***."

USC has the best college coach in D1 and some great players. I'm sure he could find a way to help his team beat both Mich and/or OSU on a neutral field.

"Louisville with a healthy Michael Bush and Brohm would have a chance against any of the top teams in the country. Just my opinion."

Louisville and WVU could do that, and I think WVU is a better team even though they lost to Lousiville.



Great post. What do you think about the Uva/Tech game GB? Think you guys roll or does UVA keep it somewhat close? Ought to be a fun game to watch. Hope they televise it here.

[shakenbake]

Nah, Ohio St. pretty much dominated the entire game with either a 14 or 11 point lead. The 2 botched snaps gave Michigan 10 points back. Also a uncalled facemask penalty, and the incomplete pass that wasnt reviewed that set up their last minute TD.

I agree I think if you played them again you would beat them again. Tressel is one of the best coaches I've seen once he gets a lead. Even with the mistakes you guys were the better team. Congrats on the win, you need to make that drive down to Glendale and enjoy it. I just with the Longhorns didn't f-up at K st. so we could be there with you. We still need that thrid game to finish up the series.

[shakenbake]

The one thing that I think hurts tOSU and could perhaps lead to someone beating them is the 50 day lay off untill the NC game. That is a long long time to go without playing a game. But hey it didn't hurt them in the game a few years back against Miami so who knows.

[Garcia Bronco]

WTF? That was clear as day. Helmet 2 Helmet on the QB Smith wasnt even in a postion to defend himself


I thought was a spirited hit and shouldn't have drawn a flag. I don't care if the helmets touched/hit...I thought it was a lame call

[Garcia Bronco]

Great post. What do you think about the Uva/Tech game GB? Think you guys roll or does UVA keep it somewhat close? Ought to be a fun game to watch. Hope they televise it here.

It all depends on what happens with the UVA defense and the Hokie offense. If the offense plays poor and lets the UVA team stay in the game...anything can happen

[Northman]

I thought was a spirited hit and shouldn't have drawn a flag. I don't care if the helmets touched/hit...I thought it was a lame call



I think the call was legit. But i have a problem with that type of call because the Qb is scrambling out of the pocket. When players are on the run and moving around its hard to pinpoint where your head is going to be because your trying to tackle or put a pop on a guy. Good example is the Tech player last night who went head to head with the Wake Forest guy. The WF player fumbled in the process and the commentators were calling for a flag but its just too hard to gauge what the opposing player is going to do when going for the tackle. I just thought the call on Michigan was a bad one because the game was close. Should have let the players decide it on the field. Michigan's defense stopped him but OSU got off on a technicality.

[Garcia Bronco]

The one thing that I think hurts tOSU and could perhaps lead to someone beating them is the 50 day lay off untill the NC game. That is a long long time to go without playing a game. But hey it didn't hurt them in the game a few years back against Miami so who knows.

I really don't think they beat Miami in that game...the refs decided that game. I don't consider the Buckeye NC's from that year and on my Champ Board I have that year as having no Champion. It's ashame the Big 11 refuses to add a 12th team and play a true championship game. The Big Ten is by no way a weak conference, but I wish they would get a 12 th team and do it right. This would help complete a foundation for a playoff system while maintaining the respect to the athlete that's unpaid and trying to make grades.

[Northman]

I really don't think they beat Miami in that game...the refs decided that game. I don't consider the Buckeye NC's from that year and on my Champ Board I have that year as having no Champion. It's ashame the Big 11 refuses to add a 12th team and play a true championship game. The Big Ten is by no way a weak conference, but I wish they would get a 12 th team and do it right. This would help complete a foundation for a playoff system while maintaining the respect to the athlete that's unpaid and trying to make grades.



NO KIDDING. That phantom P.I call on Gamble was bogus.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think the call was legit. But i have a problem with that type of call because the Qb is scrambling out of the pocket.


If he was in the pocket I wouldn't have a problem with the call...but since he was out of the pocket and moving I didn't like the call. I mean really...the Mich defender was just trying ot get there and stop a multi-talented QB that could have taken off on them.

[Northman]

If he was in the pocket I wouldn't have a problem with the call...but since he was out of the pocket and moving I didn't like the call. I mean really...the Mich defender was just trying ot get there and stop a multi-talented QB that could have taken off on them.

Totally agree. Its just a bad rule altogether.

[watermock]

All they would have to do is seed 8 teams, use the existing bowls. Then only 4 teams would have an extra game, and only 2 Two extra games.

It's not like it involves the whole NCAA.

I could even live with the top 4 seeds and only one extra week. I don't get it. Every other division in football has playoffs.

[shakenbake]

I really don't think they beat Miami in that game...the refs decided that game. I don't consider the Buckeye NC's from that year and on my Champ Board I have that year as having no Champion. It's ashame the Big 11 refuses to add a 12th team and play a true championship game. The Big Ten is by no way a weak conference, but I wish they would get a 12 th team and do it right. This would help complete a foundation for a playoff system while maintaining the respect to the athlete that's unpaid and trying to make grades.

I agree its a shame they didn't play Wisconsin this year. They only have one loss but don't get a chance to play for the conference title. It would be nice to see them add a team and a championship game. I would like to see the Pac 10 add two teams and do the same thing.

[Arkie]

Have 32 teams playing in the inferior bowls the week after conference championships. This would start the second week in December and take 5 weeks. Use the major bowls for the last two weeks. Having 16 teams with one week off for finals would take the same schedule and may be more realistic.

[ohiobronco2]

I thought was a spirited hit and shouldn't have drawn a flag. I don't care if the helmets touched/hit...I thought it was a lame call

Let me first of all state that I'm an OSU homer. Earlier in the year against Texas Jay Richardson (I believe it was Jay) was called for a helmet to helmet hit that wasn't nearly as vicious as the hit put on Smith yesterday. While I believe that overall this penalty is very inconsistent, it was the right call yesterday.

[ohiobronco2]

Seems Michigan hung with them pretty well yesterday...
Unfortunately, that penalty was huge.

I was at the game yesterday and let me tell you, everything went michigans way. On the opening drive OSU flushed Henne out of the pocket and he threw the ball to the right side of the field and nobody was within 20 yards (Obvious, intentional grounding penalty). On the kick off Tedd Ginn had his facemask tugged on. On a crucial drive that Michigan eventually scored upon,OSU was called for pass interference when the ball was uncatchable. Also, we were called for roughing the Center on a play, do you know how often that gets called (BS call). The penalties were even, but look how many of our penalties gave Michigan 1st downs off of 3rd downs and eventually kept drives alive leading to scores. OSU turned the ball over 3 times and Michigan didn't turn it over at all. Some would say that Michigans "superior" defense (That gave up over 500 yards) forced those fumbles. I can only say that one (Interception) was a result of the Michigan D, the rest of the time OSU made stupid mistakes. Plus the Passing of BO had to have had them all FIRED up and they were playing with heavy hearts. It makes me ill that so many uninformed people think that the "Obvious" helmet to helmet call is what determined the outcome of the game. OSU overcame their mistakes and were the better team yesterday, if they play again who knows who will win, but next time around OSU has some bulletin board material as a result of Michael Hart and his big mouth. Only time will tell.

[RMANCIL]

Michigan is probably better than anyone else who comes along, but OSU shouldn't have to beat them twice to earn the championship. Think about it, if they have a rematch, and then michigan wins, who is the actual national champion? Basically it would be a series tied at 1.


The difference is the home field , if they play on a neutral site and Michigan wins I don't see it as tied.