McCree's Hit on Houshmandsadeh, Dr. Z's opinion

[WoodMan]

I only post this because we play the Chugger's Sunday
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/dr_z/11/16/correctness/index.html
The health and welfare of the players risking themselves in one of America's most violent sports is, unfortunately, in the hands of a system more concerned with political correctness, with image, than with safety. But this is nothing new. Players know it. Coaches know it.

Only the foolish believe that the league, paying never-ending lip service to the politics of the rules, really has a handle on what constitutes truly dangerous fouls as opposed to cosmetic unsightliness.

In the fourth quarter of last Sunday's Cincinnati-San Diego game the Bengals' T.J. Houshmandzadeh, certainly one of the most valuable adjuncts to the team's offense, ran a pattern downfield. Before the ball ever got to him, Chargers free safety Marlon McCree got him up high with a kill shot to the head. McCree is a serious hitter. He's good at this. I've seen him deliver other blows in this manner, but this was one of his better ones because it stretched the Bengal receiver, groggy, for ... well, I didn't count for how long but it was quite a while and it looked bad.

The penalty enforced by Scott Green, the referee, was pass interference, spot foul, 18 yards. That's it. Interference. I'll say he interfered with him. Two plays later, with the Cincinnati crowd still booing, as much for the play as for the fact that McCree was still in the game, the guy knifed through and tackled Rudi Johnson for no gain. And the crowd rose up in a mighty roar. McCree, responding as an actor would on stage, pointed a finger at the stands and taunted the fans. Now the intensity of the noise went up even higher, and all the while Green and his crew, standing around with fingers up their you know whats, were spectators to this grim scene. And this is what poses as player safety.

You know how, when the defense appeals a criminal conviction, the lawyer tries to make a big thing of the remorse the perpetrator showed? Well, McCree, to his credit, resorted to none of this hypocritical nonsense. There was nothing but pure malice in this man, operating, I would assume, under the protection of some arcane set of rules that define specific instances in which a player could be thrown out of a game.

[WoodMan]

If it had been Lynch he would have been tossed.

[BigBad]

Watch the hit it was SHOULDER TO SHOULDER! Even T.J. said it was clean.

Was it early? YES
Was it helmet to helmet? NO

If you want dirty helmet leading safeties, look no furthur than your boy Lynch.

[Malcontent]

Watch the hit it was SHOULDER TO SHOULDER! Even T.J. said it was clean.

Was it early? YES
Was it helmet to helmet? NO

If you want dirty helmet leading safeties, look no furthur than your boy Lynch.

And I hope he lays a good one on any one of the Chargless Recievers.

[nickelbolt]

Even TJ admitted that after watching the tape the hit wasn't dirty. Dr. Z is a bonafide pu$ssy.

[The Lone Bolt]

Watch the hit it was SHOULDER TO SHOULDER! Even T.J. said it was clean.

Was it early? YES
Was it helmet to helmet? NO




THANK YOU!! Jeez Dr. Z is FCUKING BLIND!!

[BroncoFanCam]

Watch the hit it was SHOULDER TO SHOULDER! Even T.J. said it was clean.

Was it early? YES
Was it helmet to helmet? NO

If you want dirty helmet leading safeties, look no furthur than your boy Lynch.Who gives a crap, it was flagrant... He intentionally hit the guy early, with teh sole purpose of doing him harm. Helmet to helmet? Who gives a damn, it was as dirty a play as I have seen, and as intentional as they come.

He should have been tossed.

[2KBack]

I don't have a problem with the hit not being penalized, What I have a problem with is the inconsitancy with penalties. Lynch does not head hunt like so many believe, as a matter of fact the Mcree hit was pretty much the same hit that Lynch has been fined for so many times. Lynch keeps getting hit with the "defenseless reciever" penalties, where was that penalty on the mcree hit?

[nickelbolt]

Who gives a crap, it was flagrant... He intentionally hit the guy early, with teh sole purpose of doing him harm. Helmet to helmet? Who gives a damn, it was as dirty a play as I have seen, and as intentional as they come.

He should have been tossed.

He did not intentionally hit him early - Marlon admitted he lost sight of the ball and thought he was breaking up the pass.

Watch the video:
http://nfl.aolsportsblog.com/2006/11/13/mccree-apologized-will-pray-for-houshmandzadeh/

[400HZ]

Dr. Z is always astounding in his absolute cluelessness. McCree didn't even get a personal foul on the play. He also apologized up and down after the game for Houshmanzadeh getting hurt. Houshmanzadeh said it wasn't a dirty hit. Why are Dr. Dipsh*ts panties in a bundle?

[Boltergeist]

Dr. Z is a stupid tool. McCree mistimed the hit and the flag was correctly thrown. Whoseyomomma only got hurt from hitting Godfrey's leg as he was trying to jump over him. TJ's own analysis after watching the replay about sums it up.

CINCINNATI -- Bengals receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh forgave San Diego safety Marlon McCree for the early, high hit that left him groggy.

The former Oregon State player watched a replay of the fourth-quarter hit, which left him momentarily unconscious, and decided on Monday there was nothing wrong with it.

McCree drew a pass interference penalty for the hit in San Diego's 49-41 victory over Cincinnati. As he fell, Houshmandzadeh's head connected with the knee of linebacker Randall Godfrey.

"He was just trying to make a play on the ball," Houshmandzadeh said. "He got there a little too soon. It wasn't actually his hit that hurt me. It was the fact that the linebacker was coming so fast. He tried to jump over me but as he jumped, he kneed me in the head. It was just one of those split-second type of accidents, basically."

McCree apologized for the hit, saying he lost sight of the ball and was just trying to break up the pass. Houshmandzadeh's helmet flew off, and he lay motionless on the field for a few seconds. He was groggy when trainers helped him off the field.
Although he felt better in the game's closing minutes, the medical staff wouldn't let him return.

"He was OK the last drive, but when a guy loses consciousness, they're not going to allow him to go back in the game," coach Marvin Lewis said on Monday. "So he'll be evaluated again -- he's already had one test, he'll have the second test on Wednesday morning and should be cleared."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2660801

[Hogan11]

Totally clean hit....I had no problems with it whatsoever.

Incidently, I have no love for Housmawhatever or any of the rest of the Bengals...while it would've been great to see SD lose, I'm just as satisfied to see Sincy pushed further out of the post-season picture.

[Pendejo]

Totally clean hit....I had no problems with it whatsoever.

Incidently, I have no love for Housmawhatever or any of the rest of the Bengals...while it would've been great to see SD lose, I'm just as satisfied to see Sincy pushed further out of the post-season picture.

Ok. So if you smash someone a full second before the ball reaches them it's a clean hit? I knew you were the downer type, but I didn't figure you for an imbecile.

[ludo21]

"It was a bad play on my part. I apologized to him. I'm going to pray for him. And I'm going to call him on Monday and make sure he is okay because the last thing I want to do is end a guy's career on a cheap shot."

so which is it???

It was early and he even called it a cheap shot.

[400HZ]

"It was a bad play on my part. I apologized to him. I'm going to pray for him. And I'm going to call him on Monday and make sure he is okay because the last thing I want to do is end a guy's career on a cheap shot."

so which is it???

It was early and he even called it a cheap shot.


Obviously McCree has no idea what he's talking about ;)

[Popps]

Watch the hit it was SHOULDER TO SHOULDER! Even T.J. said it was clean.
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Oh, well... if T.J. said it, you're right... the rest of the forum is on board, then.

:rofl:

[nickelbolt]

Ok. So if you smash someone a full second before the ball reaches them it's a clean hit? I knew you were the downer type, but I didn't figure you for an imbecile.

So a Pendejo is implying that someone is an imbecile... :confuzzle :thumbsup:

[WABronco]

The only problem I had with the hit was it's obvious mis-timing.

I had more of a problem with TJ saying that him and his "boys" would go all "gang violence" on McCree. That was pretty smart.

[Dedhed]

Watch the hit it was SHOULDER TO SHOULDER! Even T.J. said it was clean.

Was it early? YES
Was it helmet to helmet? NO

If you want dirty helmet leading safeties, look no furthur than your boy Lynch.

It was a cheap a$$ chicken $hit hit regardless of whether it was h2h.

[BigBad]

Javon is Next
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/coachgrieber/TJOwned.jpg

[WABronco]

http://www.nflhs.com/images/PI/db11_JohnLynch2006-200.jpg

Whatever-scrub-receiver-you've-got-playing-now is NEXT

OWNED

[bfoflcommish]

Javon is Next
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/coachgrieber/TJOwned.jpg



you're right last TD didn't go to Javon...HE IS NEXT!

[boltaneer]

No fine or suspension yet.

I guess the NFL finds it to be a legal hit. We'll see if they take any action by Sunday.

[Pendejo]

No fine or suspension yet.

I guess the NFL finds it to be a legal hit. We'll see if they take any action by Sunday.

I don't think anyone is looking for a suspension, but there certainly should be a fine. I mean he cleaned the dude's clock well before the ball got to him. It was a cheap shot.

I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.

Charger fans wouldn't be so glib if it was Gates, ot McCardell getting slammed early.

[Garcia Bronco]

it looked helmet to helmet to me...

[watermock]

I'm as much for lettin' em' play as anyone, but that hit was extremely early and roughing. Hell, you breath on a glorious QB and they throw a 15 yarder. QB's have begun acting like kickers or worse, floppers from soccer. I saw a QB flop when he was barely touched and drew the hankie. That's the classic example of inconsistent calls. Recievers are just as vulnerable as QB's or at least close. They are expensive critters too.

If the hit had come just after the ball arrived it wouldn't of been a PF.

[boltaneer]

I don't think anyone is looking for a suspension, but there certainly should be a fine. I mean he cleaned the dude's clock well before the ball got to him. It was a cheap shot.

I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.

Charger fans wouldn't be so glib if it was Gates, ot McCardell getting slammed early.

I'm surprised there wasn't a fine but players seem to be getting off fairly easy this year. But I think the main reason there hasn't been a fine was because it wasn't a helmet to helmet shot.

No suspension for the Raider knee to the groin shot. And Hanesworth, while it was a notable suspension, I thought the guy still got off easy. The guy dug his cleats intentionally on a man's forehead.

I'd probably be angry about a shot like that if it happend to a Charger receiver, even if the guy apologized afterwards like McCree did, especially if we wound up losing the game, like the Bengals did.

[theAPAOps5]

Javon is Next
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/coachgrieber/TJOwned.jpg

So if Lynch lays some wood on one of your sorry ass recievers are you going to keep your mouth shut. Or are you one of those who will talk smack but cry fowl when their own player gets KO'd

[watermock]

I was surprised that the groin shot didn't buy a one game suspension.

All that needed to happen in the game was a PF for roughness. He decleated the guy WAY early. He's apologized for what he himself called a CHEAP SHOT, so that's cool. Haynsworth had a very shakey history of anger issues.

They just should of thrown two flags and then I wouldn't have a problem with it honestly. It was just so early. Maybe he did lose the ball...that doesn't excuse roughing.

Boltaneer, you should of seen when Denver got lazy and started walking off the field after Elam missed a very long FG...Basically what happened last week.

Ray Ray the Slasher laid a blindsided Keith Burns so damn hard I'm surprised both his cleats didn't fly off. It was completely behind the play. Burns catching the guy was about a 3 percent chance. He's not exactly an Olympic Sprinter. It just showed who Ray Ray is behind the facade. All he had to do was use a hand chuck..Burns wasn't going to run down that play.

At any rate, again, it's the inconsistency that drives me bonkers. Throw the PF flag and move on.

[-Slap-]

Lynch has earned his reputation primarily from coming up and smacking running backs square in the mouth, not from cheap shots on stretched out receivers.

[theAPAOps5]

You want to talk about dirty players you need to talk about Rodney Harrison. He is as dirty as they come. Maybe thats why the SD fans are rationalizing this latest hit. They spent so much time on Harrison its just second nature.

[boltaneer]

Boltaneer, you should of seen when Denver got lazy and started walking off the field after Elam missed a very long FG...Basically what happened last week.

Ray Ray the Slasher laid a blindsided Keith Burns so damn hard I'm surprised both his cleats didn't fly off. It was completely behind the play. Burns catching the guy was about a 3 percent chance. He's not exactly an Olympic Sprinter. It just showed who Ray Ray is behind the facade. All he had to do was use a hand chuck..Burns wasn't going to run down that play.

I didn't see that hit but that stuff disgusts me. Reminds me of the Sapp hit on Clifton, which was debated endlessly as a cheap shot or not and I'm sure most of you are aware of the Herdon shot on Jamal Williams. Both of those were total cheap shots because the guy didn't see it coming and there was no need to do it as it was completely away from the play.

[Hogan11]

So a Pendejo is implying that someone is an imbecile... :confuzzle :thumbsup:

Ironic isn't it?

I thought the hit was clean and I still do, if that makes me an idiot in the eyes of some then so be it....it's not like I'll lose any sleep over it or anything.

[fontaine]

Ray Ray the Slasher laid a blindsided Keith Burns so damn hard I'm surprised both his cleats didn't fly off. It was completely behind the play. Burns catching the guy was about a 3 percent chance. He's not exactly an Olympic Sprinter. It just showed who Ray Ray is behind the facade. All he had to do was use a hand chuck..Burns wasn't going to run down that play.

I remember that. It was a great hit. Every player, especially on ST, is told to make those blocks. I've seen Burns lay out guys just like that recently, and Lelie did it last year to some charger.

Hell, even QBs chasing down ints, and punters on kickoff returns get laid out like that.

[watermock]

It was well behind the play.

It had nothing to do with the play going the distance at all.

If Lewis had made an escort on the play I wouldn't have an issue.

He just took a cheap shot.

[fontaine]

It was well behind the play.

It had nothing to do with the play going the distance at all.

If Lewis had made an escort on the play I wouldn't have an issue.

He just took a cheap shot.


Was it cheap shot? Probably depends on which team you support.

But I don't get this "removed" from the play deal. Last year wasn't it Ben Watson that came sprinting from the other sideline 99 yards to take out Champ? I'm sure if someone had laid him out on the other sideline when Champ intercepted the ball you could make a case that it was "removed" from the play.

The point is, it's a completely legal hit. It looks vicious, hurts like hell, but in the big scheme of things an illegal horse collar tackle is much more physically dangerous because it snaps ligaments and refs are STILL letting defenders get away with it.

[Mile High Shack]

I think it was a totally classless cheap shot

even if "TJ says it's clean" (like he's the God of all bronco knowledge on this board...LOL...we are borg, we submit to the owners will)

Lynch would've been fined and probably suspended a game for that hit

[fontaine]

I think it was a totally classless cheap shot

even if "TJ says it's clean" (like he's the God of all bronco knowledge on this board...LOL...we are borg, we submit to the owners will)

Lynch would've been fined and probably suspended a game for that hit

Have you seen Mcree's hit?

Would you have called it a cheap shot if Lynch had done it instead?

[elsid13]

When I saw the hit live, I thought it was dirty and very early. And slowing it down shows that he didn't go for the head or anything else, but I don't doubt he was trying to punish TJ. IF Kennedy got suspend for his hit against the Fin WR then McCree needs to, too.

[bronco militia]

the head shot come from the 2nd charger player.....

[Dedhed]

the head shot come from the 2nd charger player.....

Nope. the crown of Mcree's helmet hits TJ right in the ear/jaw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTk0_N-RH0E

Pause it at 0:35 and you'll see Mcree's helmet right where the face mask meets the ear piece.

[doof]

Speaking of big hits that hit Lynch put on Jesse Chatman 2 years ago was absolutely devastating. Does anyone have a video of that hit? Chatman was passed out before he hit the ground.

[Mile High Shack]

Nope. the crown of Mcree's helmet hits TJ right in the ear/jaw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTk0_N-RH0E

Pause it at 0:35 and you'll see Mcree's helmet right where the face mask meets the ear piece.

exactly, TJ's head snapped back from that hit, granted most of the bad hit came from the LB's knee, but still, McCree went for his head totally

it was a bush league hit

[Mountain Bronco]

Lynch gets flagged for defenseless reciever, which doesn't matter if it is helmet to helmet. McCree should have been penalized for the same thing. I think it is a stupid penalty but if they are going to enforce it do it consistently. The NFL targets certain players and lets others go. The Cargers are the only California team worth a damn, so things get over-looked. For instance we damn near lynch bonds for steroids, but when Meriman has anabolic roids in his system, no big deal ya know he realy is a good guy, he does charitable work, its such a shame for a great Chugers team yada yada yada.... NFL is a crooked biased leauge in some instances and it will catch up.

[Electric Chair]

Ray Anderson and Mike Pereira at the NFL have determined that Marlon will not be fined: “His contact with T.J. Houshmandzadeh was properly flagged for pass interference because the contact was made prior to the attempted reception. However, McCree did not make illegal contact with his helmet or his forearm. In reviewing the play, it was clear that McCree made contact with his shoulder into Houshmandzadeh's shoulder, which is legal. Then, as Houshmandzadeh fell to the ground, his helmet made contact with linebacker Randall Godfrey's knee.”

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?p=1267330#post1267330

[Dedhed]

Ray Anderson and Mike Pereira at the NFL have determined that Marlon will not be fined: “His contact with T.J. Houshmandzadeh was properly flagged for pass interference because the contact was made prior to the attempted reception. However, McCree did not make illegal contact with his helmet or his forearm. In reviewing the play, it was clear that McCree made contact with his shoulder into Houshmandzadeh's shoulder, which is legal. Then, as Houshmandzadeh fell to the ground, his helmet made contact with linebacker Randall Godfrey's knee.”

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?p=1267330#post1267330

NOPE.

[nickelbolt]

NOPE.

Another fact presented. Another Donk fan closes his eyes to the truth. Straight denial. NON-STOP in this house.

[BigBad]

Nope. the crown of Mcree's helmet hits TJ right in the ear/jaw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTk0_N-RH0E

Pause it at 0:35 and you'll see Mcree's helmet right where the face mask meets the ear piece.


Ever studied Physics?

ACTION: The shoulder to shoulder hit.

REACTION: T.J.'s head snaps toward McCree.

There may have been some helmet contact, but HE DID NOT LEAD WITH IT!!

[Pendejo]

Ever studied Physics?

ACTION: The shoulder to shoulder hit.

REACTION: T.J.'s head snaps toward McCree.

There may have been some helmet contact, but HE DID NOT LEAD WITH IT!!

McCree definitely got his helmet on TJ's head...but it is true that he turned and hit him with his shoulder first. So it was a shoulder to shoulder/ helmet to helmet hit.

I still do not understand how people can say it was a clean hit. He hit him ridiculously early. From now on any defensive player should take a full on kill shot on any defenseless receiver...as long as it's with the shoulder, and not the head or forearm.

A spot foul is a small price to pay for eliminating a huge offensive threat. Cripes...if LT2 even looks like he's going to catch a pass...Al Wilson should stick him in the liver...even if the ball isn't close yet. It's not dirty...it's just sending a message.

[Electric Chair]

NOPE.

You should work for the NFL. They are who released that statement. :thumbsup:

"NOPE."

Deep... :notworthy

[Electric Chair]

McCree definitely got his helmet on TJ's head...but it is true that he turned and hit him with his shoulder first. So it was a shoulder to shoulder/ helmet to helmet hit.

I still do not understand how people can say it was a clean hit. He hit him ridiculously early. From now on any defensive player should take a full on kill shot on any defenseless receiver...as long as it's with the shoulder, and not the head or forearm.

A spot foul is a small price to pay for eliminating a huge offensive threat. Cripes...if LT2 even looks like he's going to catch a pass...Al Wilson should stick him in the liver...even if the ball isn't close yet. It's not dirty...it's just sending a message.

Didn't one of your POS O-lineman do that to Jamal Williams a few years back (YES)? Dislocated his ankle following a play with a cheap ass block from behind. No flag. No fine. Just sending a message, eh sport?

Whatever homer.:afro:

[BigBad]

Cripes...if LT2 even looks like he's going to catch a pass...Al Wilson should stick him in the liver...even if the ball isn't close yet. It's not dirty...it's just sending a message.

Maybe we can do you a favor and hit Plummer while he is defenseless too. Then maybe you will have a chance Sunday.

PlummerROFL!

[Electric Chair]

Maybe we can do you a favor and hit Plummer while he is defenseless too. Then maybe you will have a chance Sunday.

PlummerROFL!

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

[BigBad]

Didn't one of your POS O-lineman do that to Jamal Williams a few years back (YES)? Dislocated his ankle following a play with a cheap ass block from behind. No flag. No fine. Just sending a message, eh sport?

Whatever homer.:afro:


And dont forget the play on the COMPLETELY DEFENSELESS Bengal.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/CIN/7834442

The most telling statement from a FORMER BRONCO!

"They need to do something about it, either fine the guy or look into a team that does it a lot," said cornerback Deltha O'Neal, who played four years in Denver. "Denver is known for doing that. They need to police that."

[nickelbolt]

EC... BigBad... our powers of persuasion are useless... the FACTUAL video footage is useless... the fact that the NFL deliberated over the video footage and decided that the hit was not a fineable offense is useless...

These are Donkey fans. Many of them jackasses, actually. They don't rely on such trivial nonsense to decipher the truth. They deny until their blue in the face and convince themselves that they are right. It's gotta be pure bliss... eh?

[theAPAOps5]

A bandwagon group of fans who only spout off when they think their team can do something. Boy that makes us feel bad about ourselves.

[Electric Chair]

A bandwagon group of fans who only spout off when they think their team can do something. Boy that makes us feel bad about ourselves.

So says the guy that has been a member here all of three months! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL!

[BigBad]

I have been a member HERE longer. ROFL!

[Electric Chair]

I have been a member HERE longer. ROFL!

ALL of us have!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[BigBad]

Hey E.C werent you the guy who held the Fire Marty sign that made the game recap articles? Back in 2003 I beleive.

[Electric Chair]

Hey E.C werent you the guy who held the Fire Marty sign that made the game recap articles? Back in 2003 I beleive.

Yep. I still hate that old fossil. :thanku:

[BigBad]

Me too.

That was classic.:thumbsup:

[Electric Chair]

Me too.

That was classic.:thumbsup:

I was buzzed with the little lady the other night, and we were laughing about that. If you google "Marty Must Go! Fire Schottenheimer!!!!" it comes up.

[Florida_Bronco]

So says the guy that has been a member here all of three months! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL!

Yeah pretty interesting, you joined in December of 2004 when the Chargers last beat the Broncos and until now, I've never seen you post. Awfully quiet when your team sucks, eh?

[Pendejo]

Didn't one of your POS O-lineman do that to Jamal Williams a few years back (YES)? Dislocated his ankle following a play with a cheap ass block from behind. No flag. No fine. Just sending a message, eh sport?

Whatever homer.:afro:

Steve Herndon got his ass ridden out of town after that nonsense too. Find even one Donks fan who thinks that what he did was ok. Herndon sealed his fate with that bull sh!t. That was definitely worse than what McCree did. This board holds Jamal Williams in very high regard.

Listen mensa...if McCree would have made that play when the ball was anywhere close to TJ I don't think anyone would have a problem with it. The fact is...the ball wasn't near him yet, and the dude teed off. It was a cheap shot. We all know that he lost the ball in the sun...but it doesn't take away from the fact that he took liberties with a defenseless player well before the ball got to him.

My previous point was...that if LT or gates is running a pattern it would be to the Donks' defenders advantage to give them a shoulder in the ribs when they're vulnerable...even if the ball isn't there yet...because it sends a message, and removes said player from the game for awhile.

The NFL has deemed such hits legal.

[Garcia Bronco]

McCree definitely got his helmet on TJ's head...but it is true that he turned and hit him with his shoulder first. So it was a shoulder to shoulder/ helmet to helmet hit.

I still do not understand how people can say it was a clean hit. He hit him ridiculously early. From now on any defensive player should take a full on kill shot on any defenseless receiver...as long as it's with the shoulder, and not the head or forearm.

A spot foul is a small price to pay for eliminating a huge offensive threat. Cripes...if LT2 even looks like he's going to catch a pass...Al Wilson should stick him in the liver...even if the ball isn't close yet. It's not dirty...it's just sending a message.


best post on this thread....I agree.

[watermock]

Noone defended Herndon's cheap shot here. As noted, he was a marginal player and was shown the door. We aren't that kind of a team.

The shot was just so early it deserved a PF. It doesn't really matter if he lost the ball. That's like someone tanked up after the game going on the curb and wiping out people. Doesn't matter. Crude analogy, but applicable. Losing the ball may or may not be true, it doesn't really matter. It's over but Housh was laid out to dry and obviously recieved a concussion.

This board loves hard hitting safeties like Atwater, Smith and Lynch. Lynch has gotten several fines and only one time did I think it was over the top...barely.

I don't know why a PF flag wasn't doubled with the PI honestly. The point is it doesn't really matter if he lost the ball. I understand you watch it in slow motion it looks even earlier. It's just as rediculously early in real speed. He was at least 6 yards from even touching that ball.

I'm not calling for a fine or suspension, just that there should of been a PF called. If they didn't treat QB's like fine china I wouldn't be so pissed either. A DL can simply touch a QB now and they slop flop like a kicker, hankies fly. It's absurd...but when a defenseless WR is blindsided with a vicious high speed hit, it's let go? It's the inconsistency that buggs me. You can't breath on Golden MellonHead without getting a 15 yard hankie.

The NFL has been trying to get Indy in the SB for several years.

[BigBad]

We aren't that kind of a team. Hilarious!

What about Foster against the Bengals. Sorry man but you guys have a history of cheap shots.

[Dedhed]

Hilarious!

What about Foster against the Bengals. Sorry man but you guys have a history of cheap shots.

Does that offer validation for you? Because Foster injured a player with a questionable (yet legal) block does that mean that Mcree isn't a chicken $hit who can't put a real hit on someone?

[Florida_Bronco]

Hilarious!

What about Foster against the Bengals. Sorry man but you guys have a history of cheap shots.

Our team has no more a history of cheap shots than anyone else, and probably less.

[elsid13]

So says the guy that has been a member here all of three months! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL!

Only a band wagon fan group would equate joining a message board as becoming a fan. That is most assine post you made yet. Really I don't even think a regular Chef fan would make that statement, and I actually believe some of them think the world is flat.

[Hugga Bunch]

Only a band wagon fan group would equate joining a message board as becoming a fan. That is most assine post you made yet. Really I don't even think a regular Chef fan would make that statement, and I actually believe some of them think the world is flat.

I like pancakes, tortillas, and Kate Hudson because they are all flat.