Football Outsiders Slams Broncos in Chargers matchup.

[fontaine]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6174508

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Chargers at Broncos: Marty Ball is dead. Long live Marty Ball.

Last Sunday's Tecmo Super Bowl battle against the Bengals taught the television talking heads what careful observers have always known: the Chargers' ultra-conservative offense is a thing of the past. In fact, the "run at all costs" Schottenheimer strategy was really a fiction all along. Joe Montana and Bernie Kosar were certainly allowed to air it out on Marty's watch. Heck, Drew Brees threw for 3,500 yards last year. But Schottenheimer does tend to play turtle ball when protecting a passer like Elvis Grbac or Tony Banks from himself, and when he ran the ball 40 times against the Ravens and lost early in the season, even jokers like us took shots at his close-to-the-vest tactics. But Schottenheimer has put his faith in Philip Rivers in recent weeks, and the Chargers now lead the league in points scored.

But if Marty Ball means a focus on player development and football fundamentals, then it's alive and well. Rivers, LaDainian Tomlinson, Antonio Gates, and Shawne Merriman get all of the attention, but players like Malcom Floyd, Shaun Phillips, Brandon Manumaleuna and Igor Olshansky stepped up last week when the Chargers needed to erase a 21-point deficit. Few coaches get more out of their role players and bench warmers than Schottenheimer does. The anonymity of many of the team's key contributors partially explains why the Chargers are the AFC's stealth team: everyone is talking about the Colts, the Patriots, and even the Broncos, and few have noticed the team that can whip them all.

Let's make this as clear as possible: their records may be the same, but the Chargers are a much better team than the Broncos. Their balanced offense will be able to run and pass against a very good Broncos defense. Their defense is vulnerable to spread-the-field passing attacks like Cincinnati's, but they have no fear of Denver's running and play-action interception-throwing attack. If there were no "whammy" factor, every analyst in the business would call for an easy Chargers win.

At Rundown and at Football Outsiders, we don't believe in the whammy factor. What happened in 1987 has no bearing on this game (though it makes a nice lead for an article). The Broncos have their usual home-field advantage this week, not some special "Marty has the yips" advantage. And while Denver is a tough place for any visitor, mountain air and crowd noise won't be enough this week. Take the Chargers, take the points. Yep: you even get points!


That's a pretty damning commentary. A Broncos win will mean they can take this analysis and shove it up the collective a$$e$ of football outsiders.

[BroncoFanCam]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6174508




That's a pretty damning commentary. A Broncos win will mean they can take this analysis and shove it up the collective a$$e$ of football outsiders.I may sound like a prick here, but I think we are VERY fortunate to be 7-2 at this stage.

We've gotten lucky playing some really good teams when they were nowhere near at their peak (NE looked like a girls volleyball team when we played them, KC had just lost their long-time QB, PITT had problems at QB as well, it was obvious Benji was still in a fog), I guess I don't see much reason to disagree with them. As far as I can see from the games we have played, we could EASILY be 5-4 or worse yet 4-5.

Our offense doesn't scare anyone, and a half-decent defense can make US look like the girls previously mentioned. (See Raiders), that coupled with a pretty darn good offense spells trouble for us.

In the past we have been able to go after LT and not worry a whole heck of a lot about their passing game, but Rivers changes that. We know champ can take away their #1 WR, lets hope Darrent is up to the task on the other side, and perhaps even a good QB can be taken out of the game, letting us focus on LT again.

I will be screaming "GO BRONCOS!!!" Like the rest of us, booing SD at every turn, and praying to God Almighty that we can eek this one out.

But I am not going to go into shock if we somehow don't.

If ever there was a week for the crowd to be insanely disruptive, this is it..

GO BRONCOS!!! & GO CROWD!!!

[cmhargrove]

I may sound like a prick here, but I think we are VERY fortunate to be 7-2 at this stage.

We've gotten lucky playing some really good teams when they were nowhere near at their peak (NE looked like a girls volleyball team when we played them, KC had just lost their long-time QB, PITT had problems at QB as well, it was obvious Benji was still in a fog), I guess I don't see much reason to disagree with them. As far as I can see from the games we have played, we could EASILY be 5-4 or worse yet 4-5.





Take a look at anyone's season, everyone who wins has some luck go their way. Isn't luck just "the point where preparation meets opportunity?" That's the way I heard it.
I think when you don't need just one player to succeed, you are a good team. We obviously just have one bona-fide superstar on offense (Javon) and one on defense (Champ), but the rest of the team does a great job together. I think our team is better than just lucky, I just wish our QB play was more consistent.

[TailgateNut]

In the past we have been able to go after LT and not worry a whole heck of a lot about their passing game, but Rivers changes that. We know champ can take away their #1 WR, lets hope Darrent is up to the task on the other side, and perhaps even a good QB can be taken out of the game, letting us focus on LT again.



GO BRONCOS!!! & GO CROWD!!!

So last year we were able to go after LT because they had a QB who wasn't any good??? I think Brees isn't a bottom of the barrel QB. You? The only real change I see, is that Marty is loosening the reigns a bit!

[BigBoltIke]

I think it's worth noting that since the Chargers don't have a number one receiver, Champ isn't really taking much of anything away.

[BigBoltIke]

So last year we were able to go after LT because they had a QB who wasn't any good??? I think Brees isn't a bottom of the barrel QB. You? The only real change I see, is that Marty is loosening the reigns a bit!

Marty has definitely loosened up the reigns, but Rivers has a significantly quicker release and better ball. Brees is a great QB. Rivers is an elite QB.

[BroncoFanCam]

I may sound like a prick here, but I think we are VERY fortunate to be 7-2 at this stage.

We've gotten lucky playing some really good teams when they were nowhere near at their peak (NE looked like a girls volleyball team when we played them, KC had just lost their long-time QB, PITT had problems at QB as well, it was obvious Benji was still in a fog), I guess I don't see much reason to disagree with them. As far as I can see from the games we have played, we could EASILY be 5-4 or worse yet 4-5.





Take a look at anyone's season, everyone who wins has some luck go their way. Isn't luck just "the point where preparation meets opportunity?" That's the way I heard it.
I think when you don't need just one player to succeed, you are a good team. We obviously just have one bona-fide superstar on offense (Javon) and one on defense (Champ), but the rest of the team does a great job together. I think our team is better than just lucky, I just wish our QB play was more consistent.Hopefully we get some consistency from Jakey-poo this week. If he manages things and forces nothing we win.

Take what they give you and get off the field, whether that's by scoring or getting them next time.

The "D" should keep us in the game for quite a while, we just need to offense NOT to put them in unwinable situations like giving them the ball deep in our territory.

I didn't mean to make it sound like we have no hope, 'cause playing Schittenhiney gives us a lot of hope right there. It's no secret we have his number.

We have historically played LT like no ther team, repeatedly stuffing him, and It isn't as if their receivers are all that special. Gates causes match-up problems, and hopefully the other DB's can pull their weight. I sense Darrent becoming target #1 again this week.

Here's to a most excellent game... :thumbsup:

[Rohirrim]

In the age of parity, I don't think there is any such thing as a dominating team anymore. These sportswriters keep hoping there still is such a thing, and week after week, one of them will pretend they have uncovered the real deal, but it's like chasing Sasquatch. All they have is some grainy video and some plaster footprints. The Broncos will kick the Bolts asses. ;D

[fontaine]

I think it's worth noting that since the Chargers don't have a number one receiver, Champ isn't really taking much of anything away.

Unless he's lined up against Gates on obvious passing downs. We did that at times against the Chefs last season and pretty much shut down Gonzo.

[shakenbake]

I may sound like a prick here, but I think we are VERY fortunate to be 7-2 at this stage.

Yep you sound like a prick. I could go throgh everyones schedule and find flaws or places where they could have won or loss a game. The facts are that we are 7-2, and since the first game fiasco have only lost one game to a undefeated colts team. Meanwhile we have beaten the leaders of the AFC east and North.

[BigBoltIke]

Unless he's lined up against Gates on obvious passing downs. We did that at times against the Chefs last season and pretty much shut down Gonzo.


I like Gates in that matchup if it's a play of fewer than 8 yds. <8 yds, Gates has advantage due to size. >8 Champ's speed give him the advantage.

One thing about Gates, I've only seen a ball get taken away from his hands once, and that by Zach Thomas. If Gates gets his hands on it, Champ isn't taking it away.

[shakenbake]

Here is another thing despite all of our "flaws" and how "lucky" we are to be 7-2, we have been in every single game this year. Not one team has blown us out. Not bad for a team lucky to be 7-2.

[-Slap-]

I like Gates in that matchup if it's a play of fewer than 8 yds. <8 yds, Gates has advantage due to size. >8 Champ's speed give him the advantage.

One thing about Gates, I've only seen a ball get taken away from his hands once, and that by Zach Thomas. If Gates gets his hands on it, Champ isn't taking it away.

We've already locked Champ up on Gates one on one and Bailey smothered him.

[BigBoltIke]

We've already locked Champ up on Gates one on one and Bailey smothered him.

What was the down and distance situation?

[Steve Prefontaine]

I may sound like a prick here, but I think we are VERY fortunate to be 7-2 at this stage.

We've gotten lucky playing some really good teams when they were nowhere near at their peak (NE looked like a girls volleyball team when we played them, KC had just lost their long-time QB, PITT had problems at QB as well, it was obvious Benji was still in a fog), I guess I don't see much reason to disagree with them. As far as I can see from the games we have played, we could EASILY be 5-4 or worse yet 4-5.


Great point. Although the Broncos could easily be 9-0 also.

[Mediator12]

Here is another thing despite all of our "flaws" and how "lucky" we are to be 7-2, we have been in every single game this year. Not one team has blown us out. Not bad for a team lucky to be 7-2.

And yet, we have never won by more than ten points and have a bunch of very close victories too. The no Blowouts come courtesy of the defense except in the Colts game, especially the second half when they blew a bunch of playcalls and messed up signals. It is very conceivable that this team could be 4-5 to 9-0 with the way the games have unfolded. Heck, PHI has played twice as well in all aspects of the game than DEN and they are 5-4 right now.

[BroncoMatt]

Jake won't throw any picks this week, but only because SD's secondary can't catch. Seriously though, I am putting Jake in over Carson Palmer this week in my fantasy league. SD's defense is weak.

[Mediator12]

What was the down and distance situation?

The whole game. He had two catches for 15 yards and no first downs or TD's.

Gates has never played well against DEN, and LT has struggled mightily in DEN. Those high point games are not going to be so easy in MILE High where SD averages 11 points a game.

[fontaine]

What was the down and distance situation?

who cares? The point is Gates usually has his worst games against the Broncos. Even in his breakout season his lowest game totals came against the Broncos. Our defense has been number 1 against TEs since last year.

I have no doubt that a playmaker like Gates will make some plays but I doubt that he'll run rampant against our defense simply because he hasn't done so in his previous games against us consistently.

But it all starts with LT for me. If we can slow this guy down then we have a chance. But our offense will absolutely have to start strong and not limp through the first half of the game like Jake so often does.

[shakenbake]

And yet, we have never won by more than ten points and have a bunch of very close victories too. The no Blowouts come courtesy of the defense except in the Colts game, especially the second half when they blew a bunch of playcalls and messed up signals. It is very conceivable that this team could be 4-5 to 9-0 with the way the games have unfolded. Heck, PHI has played twice as well in all aspects of the game than DEN and they are 5-4 right now.

Well thats great for PHI, too bad for them it doesn't matter what types of numbers you put up or how great your statistics are. It is about making a play at the moment it is most needed. That is what this team has done all season. When a play is needed a player steps up. That is how you win games.

[bronco militia]

the chargers are 0-2 against teams with winning records...the Broncos are 2-0 against those teams (KC, B-more)

[watermock]

Actually, Sandy Eggo's defense is ranked 5th in the AFC, ahead of Denver.

[Rock Chalk]

And yet, we have never won by more than ten points and have a bunch of very close victories too. The no Blowouts come courtesy of the defense except in the Colts game, especially the second half when they blew a bunch of playcalls and messed up signals. It is very conceivable that this team could be 4-5 to 9-0 with the way the games have unfolded. Heck, PHI has played twice as well in all aspects of the game than DEN and they are 5-4 right now.

31-20 > 10 points :P

[obediah]

Our offense doesn't scare anyone,

That is very true, but that is a good thing. That means our offense can suprise the defense that thinks we are weak.

This game is going to show if we are a playoff team or not and not just because of records. The only team that REALLY beat us this year was the Colts. St louis i think that was a bronco fug up completely. In my opinion Larry johnson is just as good of a running back as LT and the broncos shut his ass down all the time.

I think it will be close but i think the Broncos will pull it out.

And a win is a win however you want to look at it, luck, skill, whatever. I think the colts beat us do to ****ty play calling on our side and poor clock managment.

Obediah

[BroncoFiend]

I think it's worth noting that since the Chargers don't have a number one receiver, Champ isn't really taking much of anything away.

Champ never just sticks on one guy the whole game, unless that really is a team's only weapon. He has a real nose for the ball in zone, and is exceptional at covering TEs when needed.

[freak6]

Not in PPG though. If Joke Blunder shows up and the Chargers take a big lead, the Cutler era should begin, and if he comes in I think our chances of a comeback go up. If Jake Plummer shows up then we should be able to beat them. The Bolts are just as beat up defensively as we are. We should be able to run on them quite well setting up single coverage for Rod Smith and our tight ends.

Jake will have to take full advantage of our P.A. opportunities, not neccessarily for touchdowns, but at least execute for 1st downs and more.

[BroncoFiend]

Actually, Sandy Eggo's defense is ranked 5th in the AFC, ahead of Denver.

Not in PA

[Smiling Assassin27]

I may sound like a prick here, but I think we are VERY fortunate to be 7-2 at this stage.

We've gotten lucky playing some really good teams when they were nowhere near at their peak (NE looked like a girls volleyball team when we played them, KC had just lost their long-time QB, PITT had problems at QB as well, it was obvious Benji was still in a fog), I guess I don't see much reason to disagree with them. As far as I can see from the games we have played, we could EASILY be 5-4 or worse yet 4-5.

Our offense doesn't scare anyone, and a half-decent defense can make US look like the girls previously mentioned. (See Raiders), that coupled with a pretty darn good offense spells trouble for us.

In the past we have been able to go after LT and not worry a whole heck of a lot about their passing game, but Rivers changes that. We know champ can take away their #1 WR, lets hope Darrent is up to the task on the other side, and perhaps even a good QB can be taken out of the game, letting us focus on LT again.

I will be screaming "GO BRONCOS!!!" Like the rest of us, booing SD at every turn, and praying to God Almighty that we can eek this one out.

But I am not going to go into shock if we somehow don't.

If ever there was a week for the crowd to be insanely disruptive, this is it..

GO BRONCOS!!! & GO CROWD!!!


well, if it sounds like a prick...must be a prick.


what you call 'luck', others with some thread of sanity would calll 'skill'. teams line up and, unless the referees rig the game or you believe in Angels in the Backfield, they win or lose based on who's better. the pats played badly because our defense was killing marcia brady and his cast of characters. kc has larry johnson and he didn't do squat, again, because of our defense being in his face. kc never wins in denver--how is that luck? pittsburgh had us at home and our offense shredded that vaunted defense. how is that luck?

we're not lucky to 7-2. as Tuna Parcells says, 'you are what you are' and we won 7 out of 9 with skill, determination, and coaching--not luck. oh, it wasn't luck that we lost our 2 games either--the team lined up and was simply worse than the other team that day. end of story.

[bronco militia]

And yet, we have never won by more than ten points and have a bunch of very close victories too. The no Blowouts come courtesy of the defense except in the Colts game, especially the second half when they blew a bunch of playcalls and messed up signals. It is very conceivable that this team could be 4-5 to 9-0 with the way the games have unfolded. Heck, PHI has played twice as well in all aspects of the game than DEN and they are 5-4 right now.

Phili?!?!?! IMO, that's a terrible example

[Rohirrim]

LT vs. the Broncos at Mile High:

2001 14 for 75
2002 14 for 48
2003 8 for 29
2004 22 for 60
2005 19 for 53

[BroncoFanCam]

Well thats great for PHI, too bad for them it doesn't matter what types of numbers you put up or how great your statistics are. It is about making a play at the moment it is most needed. That is what this team has done all season. When a play is needed a player steps up. That is how you win games.When a good team has an "off week" and somehow, someway pulls out a game that they maybe should have lost, there is credit to be given.

I remember one of the superbowl years we were playing Cincinatti and really stinking the place up, eventually we came out on top, with many a sweaty palm, and near heart-attacks during the game.

That was a situation where "making the right play at the right time, and finding a way to win" was really something worth talking about, even if the Bengals were one of the lousiest teams in the league then.

I am yet to be convinced of ANYTHING about this team, so to say theat we are a good offense, and to say "somehow, some way" after every single game is not very comforting to me. We haven't come out and dominated anyone yet, if we had I may feel very different;y. But like I aid I am still not convinced.

Sorry if the end result just doesn't "do it" for me, but I would like to see these guys (speaking to the offense) come out and light things up. Just once would go a long way to giving me more faith in them.

[Bronco Bob]

And yet, we have never won by more than ten points and have a bunch of very close victories too. The no Blowouts come courtesy of the defense except in the Colts game, especially the second half when they blew a bunch of playcalls and messed up signals. It is very conceivable that this team could be 4-5 to 9-0 with the way the games have unfolded. Heck, PHI has played twice as well in all aspects of the game than DEN and they are 5-4 right now.

You could say the same thing about the Colts, there is only two games,
these against bottom feeders, where they were ahead by more than a touchdown.
They were a missed field goal away from losing to Buffalo last week.

[sirhcyennek81]

We'll see. SD is not that good. Not in Denver. They may put up 30 points. Denver will put up 31.

:Broncos:

[riiiiick]

their 2 losses came against 2 teams we have beat, how can they be "a much better team"? that doesn't make any sense. of course, we know the bolts are always a much better team than their record, what a joke! the game is played in the trenches, you smash the mouth of the other guy til one of you gets beat. 2 teams we beat in the trenches beat them. i like our chances sunday night.

[Mountain Bronco]

That article fails to metion that the Chargers have not beat a team with a winning record, while we have.

[RMANCIL]

This should be a great game. The Bolt defense is hurt and not playing up to the level that made it one of the best in football. Castillo missed last weeks game as did Merriman.

S.D. leading pass rusher Shawn Phillips played hurt last week but should be healthier this week. The Broncos offense while a for cry from the high octane units of the past should find easier sledding vs .S.D.

The Chargers offense is running at full speed and should be the best offense to show up since the Colts left town. The Broncos have managed to shut LT down like no other defense.

The question is will they be able to do that and control Rivers who at 6'5" has a major advantage vs Brees when it comes to quick release blitz response.

Brees struggled for passing lanes vs the Broncos when they blitzed him which was non stop in Denver last year. Rivers extra 5 inchs and quick release may be a huge difference in Denver this year.

The Chargers can expect to see the Broncos double gates and single cover the wr. Bailey is one of the best in the game but he can cover both sides of the field and that leaves a Bolt in single coverage.

The Chargers Malcom Floyd who at 6' 5" 225 is a tall order to cover or Vincent Jackson 6' 5 235 figure to test the Bronco CB in single coverage and to stretch the field while Parker and McCardell keep Champ busy.

Both Parker and McCardell get little press but put up solid numbers for the high flying Bolt offense which currently leads the N.F.L. in scoring at 33.0 per game.

The Broncos are the team to beat in the AFC best conference but this Charger team could be the one to do it. One thing for sure it will be big.

[WoodMan]

Not in PPG though. If Joke Blunder shows up and the Chargers take a big lead, the Cutler era should begin, and if he comes in I think our chances of a comeback go up. If Jake Plummer shows up then we should be able to beat them. The Bolts are just as beat up defensively as we are. We should be able to run on them quite well setting up single coverage for Rod Smith and our tight ends.

Jake will have to take full advantage of our P.A. opportunities, not neccessarily for touchdowns, but at least execute for 1st downs and more.

What is with you dude? You got a hard on for Cutler or something? Give it a rest.:loopy:

[troya900]

God this SD love is just getting even more sickening then it's been (if that's possible). I mean seriously this is the same team that just went into arrowhead and like usual LOST, even in the Bengals game they had their asses kicked 28-7 at halftime. Yeah the comeback was all nice and crap for them, but they did have to give up that lead to be able to come back. Now I'm to be told the big bad chargless are going to come into Mile High and with their superior talent they will use Denver as their personal play toy?? Give me a break SD always struggles in Mile High. Once again the superior "the sky is the limit" talent the Chargers have will come crashing down at Mile High on sunday.

[RMANCIL]

God this SD love is just getting even more sickening then it's been (if that's possible). I mean seriously this is the same team that just went into arrowhead and like usual LOST, even in the Bengals game they had their asses kicked 28-7 at halftime. Yeah the comeback was all nice and crap for them, but they did have to give up that lead to be able to come back. Now I'm to be told the big bad chargless are going to come into Mile High and with their superior talent they will use Denver as their personal play toy?? Give me a break SD always struggles in Mile High. Once again the superior "the sky is the limit" talent the Chargers have will come crashing down at Mile High on sunday.

Of course you could just totally discount the Chargers and go fly fishing. Call the mouse man and take along a few of the other coaches it will be a swell time.

[BigBoltIke]

God this SD love is just getting even more sickening then it's been (if that's possible). I mean seriously this is the same team that just went into arrowhead and like usual LOST, even in the Bengals game they had their asses kicked 28-7 at halftime. Yeah the comeback was all nice and crap for them, but they did have to give up that lead to be able to come back. Now I'm to be told the big bad chargless are going to come into Mile High and with their superior talent they will use Denver as their personal play toy?? Give me a break SD always struggles in Mile High. Once again the superior "the sky is the limit" talent the Chargers have will come crashing down at Mile High on sunday.

You shouldn't talk smack before you take your 2006 Broncos to Arrowhead, especially considering the margin of victory in your win over them earlier this season (when they were playing with a guy that hadn't thrown a pass in something like 4 years.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Rivers extra 5 inches

:wiggle: :flower: :thumbs: :notworthy :gimme: :slapsilly

[RMANCIL]

:wiggle: :flower: :thumbs: :notworthy :gimme: :slapsilly

You like that ....Bob. :~ohyah!:

[Mile High Shack]

I'm not sure why we even show up, I mean it's so obvious SD is so much a better team

[Dedhed]

Here is another thing despite all of our "flaws" and how "lucky" we are to be 7-2, we have been in every single game this year. Not one team has blown us out. Not bad for a team lucky to be 7-2.
You're not going to get blown out of many games when you have the #1 scoring defense in the league, but you have to look at the other side of the coin and say "every game we've played has been close." We haven't been able to walk over teams that should be nothing more than a blip on the radar.

San Diego hasn't been blown out in their 2 losses, and they have absolutely served the crap teams on their schedule. 27-0 Oakland, 48-19 San Fran.

This is a must win for the Broncos if they want to take the division, and they're going to have to play their best game of the year by a good chunk in order to get it.

[SprintRightOption]

If this game slips away, I'm sure we'll win in mile high west in 3 weeks. How much would it suck if routinely there were 30-60% visiting fans in our stadium like in Qualcomm over the last 10 years? There will be like 350 charger fans in mile high this Sunday. :rofl:

[Xenos]

LT vs. the Broncos at Mile High:

2001 14 for 75
2002 14 for 48
2003 8 for 29
2004 22 for 60
2005 19 for 53

What's the point of being called Rohirrim if you don't have Eomer or Eowyn or Theoden in your AV?

[-Slap-]

The Chargers have to be one of the biggest blow-smoke-up-their-fans-asses franchises in League history.

One Super Bowl appearance in over 40 years and they were down 21-0 after five minutes.

What were they calling them last year? The best seven loss team ever?

Oh, well, they'll be LA's problem again soon enough.

[boltaneer]

God this SD love is just getting even more sickening then it's been (if that's possible). I mean seriously this is the same team that just went into arrowhead and like usual LOST, even in the Bengals game they had their asses kicked 28-7 at halftime. Yeah the comeback was all nice and crap for them, but they did have to give up that lead to be able to come back. Now I'm to be told the big bad chargless are going to come into Mile High and with their superior talent they will use Denver as their personal play toy?? Give me a break SD always struggles in Mile High. Once again the superior "the sky is the limit" talent the Chargers have will come crashing down at Mile High on sunday.

Well, we all know it's disgraceful to lose at Arrowhead. I mean, teams blow out the Chiefs there all the time, right? And you guys beat them every time there, right?

And you cannot dump on the Chargers for their game last week after that pitiful showing against the Raiders. I cannot believe that game almost went down to the wire.

I think a lot of people are discounting how well Philip Rivers is playing. IMO, his play alone will be the biggest deciding factor this week. Brees was never up to the task against Denver and could not handle their blitzes. Rivers has already shown that he thrives against the blitz.

The question is, will Denver go back to their old style and blitz the hell out of San Diego or will they sit back like they did against Peyton Manning. Or will they come with a good balanced attack?

[RMANCIL]

The Chargers have to be one of the biggest blow-smoke-up-their-fans-asses franchises in League history.

One Super Bowl appearance in over 40 years and they were down 21-0 after five minutes.

What were they calling them last year? The best seven loss team ever?

Oh, well, they'll be LA's problem again soon enough.

Yea remember 1994 ,what a snappy rebuttal. :thumbsup:

[Mediator12]

Phili?!?!?! IMO, that's a terrible example

Why ??? They have two of their Losses on last second FG's by a total of 4 points and two more games where they lost on the final possession. They have played better football than the Broncos and easily could be 9-0 or at least 8-1 instead of 5-4.

The broncos survived several games where they were outgained and outplayed by creating TO's and giving FG's instead of TD's in the red Zone. NE, KC, and PIT were those types of games. They really struggled to score on the raiders Twice as well. That's five hard fought and deserving wins that could have been different if the other team made one more play or did not have timely TO's.

I fail to see the logic of "scoreboard" as scoreboard was yesterday and not indicative of the future results. Performance on the other hand is a good indicator of future results, and their performance to date is not that impressive overall.

[Mile High Shack]

Well, we all know it's disgraceful to lose at Arrowhead. I mean, teams blow out the Chiefs there all the time, right? And you guys beat them every time there, right?

And you cannot dump on the Chargers for their game last week after that pitiful showing against the Raiders. I cannot believe that game almost went down to the wire.

I think a lot of people are discounting how well Philip Rivers is playing. IMO, his play alone will be the biggest deciding factor this week. Brees was never up to the task against Denver and could not handle their blitzes. Rivers has already shown that he thrives against the blitz.

The question is, will Denver go back to their old style and blitz the hell out of San Diego or will they sit back like they did against Peyton Manning. Or will they come with a good balanced attack?


based on your tongue in cheek response, it's obvious you don't think either of those options will work against the might Chargers, eh?

yeah..we are screwed, we have no chance against the mighty Chargers?

I mean, you all have a lot of success in Denver right? errrr oops....

You all have played against good defenses this year right? errr oops

You all have your best defensive pass rusher on the field, right? errrr ooops

your corners are top notch, right? errrr oopss

yeah, seriously, Denver has zero chance of scoring even 3 points againt or OR holding your mighty offense to 40 points

[RMANCIL]

The Broncos made the sad sack Raiders look good , now that is pretty amazing feat.

[azbroncfan]

The Broncos made the sad sack Raiders look good , now that is pretty amazing feat.

SD don't know what its like to have a rivalry let alone a hated rivalry that OAK and DEN have. SHELL probably instills the hate for denver a lot more than it has been in OAK last few years. Denver gets Oaklands best effort almost everygame and they are always close, any football fan would know this.

[Dedhed]

The Broncos made the sad sack Raiders look good , now that is pretty amazing feat.

Both the Bolt losses have come against teams the Broncos have already beaten. Giving up 40 points last week was impressive.

[bloodsunday]

Marty-ball is not dead. It's dormant. San Diego does this crap every year. They beat up on the little sisters of the poor and then when a game matters....chooooooooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkeeeee eeeeeeeee. They have played two good team in two important games this season ... both losses. Both with Merriman.

As a side note, you know what's odd? Jake is the opposite. He has shown up big time against our best opponents and plays his worst against the weaklings? Wierd.

San Diego may be a better team than us on paper, but Mike Shanahan owns them. No way San Diego wins this game. The best team they actually beat may have actually been St Louis? Let's not punch their ticket to the Super Bowl just yet.

[Taco John]

I think it's worth noting that since the Chargers don't have a number one receiver, Champ isn't really taking much of anything away.



Except for the football if Rivers is stupid enough to test him.

[Taco John]

Jake won't throw any picks this week, but only because SD's secondary can't catch. Seriously though, I am putting Jake in over Carson Palmer this week in my fantasy league. SD's defense is weak.



That's crazy.

[Rascal]

Apparently Castillo is out for the chargers, so that makes it a bit easier for o-line.

[Rascal]

It's amazing seeing all the chargers fans come out of their dungeons now that their team is actually in the playoff hunt for once.

All this time I thought they were like Big Foot. I guess they do exist, but undoubtedly are bandwagoners. They better be careful though, that wagon is so old and in disrepair it might break an axle with everybody jumping on so fast.

[BigBad]

This game is going to be a MAJOR wake up call for donk fans. EVERYONE of you will be SCEAMING for Cutler after this game. You guys will see again what an ELITE QB can do for a team.

You guys will all hit your knees praying Cutler is another Elway. For your sake I hope he is because Rivers is going to be killing you guys for the next 10 years!!

[Rascal]

This game is going to be a MAJOR wake up call for donk fans. EVERYONE of you will be SCEAMING for Cutler after this game. You guys will see again what an ELITE QB can do for a team.

You guys will all hit your knees praying Cutler is another Elway. For your sake I hope he is because Rivers is going to be killing you guys for the next 10 years!!


Hey moran, we are already screaming for Cutler so I doubt this game will change that.

Rivers is elite? LOL!!!! OMG!!!!!!

[bronco militia]

The broncos survived several games where they were outgained and outplayed by creating TO's and giving FG's instead of TD's in the red Zone. NE, KC, and PIT were those types of games. They really struggled to score on the raiders Twice as well. That's five hard fought and deserving wins that could have been different if the other team made one more play or did not have timely TO's.

.

A few plays seperates the good from the bad in the NFL.

You can't tell me the Broncos have suffered from huge meltdowns like the Eagirls this year.

[The Lone Bolt]

Hey moran, we are already screaming for Cutler so I doubt this game will change that.

Rivers is elite? LOL!!!! OMG!!!!!!


Yes -- RIVERS IS ELITE!!

In case you haven't noticed he has the third highest QBR IN THE NFL in this his FIRST YEAR AS A STARTER! Where's Jakie "hands off" Snakie in that stat?

In case you haven't noticed part II: comparisons of Rivers to Marino and Fouts are being made routinely by sportswriters.

Phil is going to LIGHT UP YOUR HORSIES THIS WEEKEND!!Booya! ^5 :deadhorse

[Rascal]

Yes -- RIVERS IS ELITE!!

In case you haven't noticed he has the third highest QBR IN THE NFL in this his FIRST YEAR AS A STARTER! Where's Jakie "hands off" Snakie in that stat?

In case you haven't noticed part II: comparisons of Rivers to Marino and Fouts are being made routinely by sportswriters.

Phil is going to LIGHT UP YOUR HORSIES THIS WEEKEND!!Booya! ^5 :deadhorse

Same comparisons about Leaf to Marino?

LOL

[sirhcyennek81]

Yes -- RIVERS IS ELITE!!

In case you haven't noticed he has the third highest QBR IN THE NFL in this his FIRST YEAR AS A STARTER!* Where's Jakie "hands off" Snakie in that stat?

In case you haven't noticed part II: comparisons of Rivers to Marino and Fouts are being made routinely by sportswriters.

Phil is going to LIGHT UP YOUR HORSIES THIS WEEKEND!!Booya! ^5 :deadhorse

*Playing against Cinci, Tennesee, San Fran, Oakland. The only team with a decent secondary statistically is Oakland.

Last year, Phillip played nearly 3 qtrs against the Broncos and didnt do much. Broncos are good at stopping Tomlinson. Stop LT2, you stop San Diego. That has not changed.

:Broncos:

[BigBad]

Seriously, have you watched him play?

It is pretty easy to see.

[Mile High Shack]

This game is going to be a MAJOR wake up call for donk fans. EVERYONE of you will be SCEAMING for Cutler after this game. You guys will see again what an ELITE QB can do for a team.

You guys will all hit your knees praying Cutler is another Elway. For your sake I hope he is because Rivers is going to be killing you guys for the next 10 years!!

I know, seriously, we have no chance

we are losing 49-3

[BigBad]

Last year, Phillip played nearly 3 qtrs against the Broncos and didnt do much.


He NEVER practiced with the first team offense last year.

[BigBad]

I know, seriously, we have no chance

we are losing 49-3

Didnt say we would blow you out, just that Rivers WILL make the difference.

[MrPeepers]

Man,

Bolt Fans everywhere, looks like they left the ESPN boards and decided to come over here.

Bolts are a good team that has routinely beat up the bad teams. This is the game that will establish if the bolts are for real. If they don't show up this weekend, they are not a top AFC team.

The Comparisons to Marino and Fouts are retarded, let him play a full year. Everyone was on the Rex Grossman bandwagon earlier as well. Chuggers are a young team, Rivers is gonna be good, but don't count the chickens before they hatch.

I sincerely hope we get some crow eaters here this sunday.

Chargers 58 to -2, were that bad!

[Rohirrim]

This game is going to be a MAJOR wake up call for donk fans. EVERYONE of you will be SCEAMING for Cutler after this game. You guys will see again what an ELITE QB can do for a team.

You guys will all hit your knees praying Cutler is another Elway. For your sake I hope he is because Rivers is going to be killing you guys for the next 10 years!!

Do you really think you're the first Bolthead to do this on this board? This happens every year. The Bolts win a few games and the Boltheads come out of their cracks and start their slobbering. Then, the Broncos kick their ass and it's like throwing on the light in the kitchen; All the cockroaches go scurrying for cover and we don't hear from them again... until next year.

[RMANCIL]

SD don't know what its like to have a rivalry let alone a hated rivalry that OAK and DEN have. SHELL probably instills the hate for denver a lot more than it has been in OAK last few years. Denver gets Oaklands best effort almost everygame and they are always close, any football fan would know this.

That is funny so I guess you never heard of the holy roller play ?

Talking rivalry the Bolts and the Faiders have had a more intense rivalry than the Broncos with the Faiders for a number of years. The reality of it is however that the Faiders have been smashed by the Bolts in their house as well as getting it handed to them on the road for several seasons now.

Most good fans know this . !Booya!

[sirhcyennek81]

Didnt say we would blow you out, just that Rivers WILL make the difference.


Sure he will. *Pats charger fan on the head. Go play now. :kiss:



:Broncos:

[MrPeepers]

That is funny so I guess you never heard of the holy roller play ?

Talking rivalry the Bolts and the Faiders have had a more intense rivalry than the Broncos with the Faiders for a number of years. The reality of it is however that the Faiders have been smashed by the Bolts in their house as well as getting it handed to them on the road for several seasons now.

Most good fans know this . !Booya!


BS.

That's funny, considering your team has been winning for 3 years now and you want to come in and say the Chargers v. Raiders is a superior rivalry? Maybe gangland rivalry, but not football.

[RMANCIL]

BS.

That's funny, considering your team has been winning for 3 years now and you want to come in and say the Chargers v. Raiders is a superior rivalry? Maybe gangland rivalry, but not football.

Hey take it from the donkeys .......I mean take it from ......hey just bend over and read it from the criminal nation.


http://www.raidersonline.org/

The San Diego Chargers are perhaps the Raiders' oldest rivals, dating to the 1963 season when the upstart Raiders defeated the heavily-favored Chargers twice, in both cases come-from-behind fourth quarter victories. One of the most memorable games between these teams was the "Holy Roller" game in 1978, where the Raiders fumbled for a touchdown in a very controversial (and now illegal) play. Since 1995, this rivalry has only intensified, as Raider fans from the Los Angeles area now purchase a large percentage of the tickets to Raider-Charger games played in San Diego.

You may have missed the holy Roller game may have been played before you were born or before you got electricity. Now you know , glad to help. :thanku:

[sirhcyennek81]

San Diego has beaten Denver twice since 2002. Both of them by 3 points. Neither of those wins came in Denver.

:Broncos:

[Rascal]

Older does not mean superior dumbass.

[Florida_Bronco]

Rivers is an elite QB.

Nothing like jumping the gun on that one, eh?

[kamakazi_kal]

I think it's worth noting that since the Chargers don't have a number one receiver, Champ isn't really taking much of anything away.

i thought champ played man up on gates the last couple games.??? no?

[RMANCIL]

Older does not mean superior dumbass.

Well Mr I am extremely brilliant tell us why anyone should give a rats a z z one way or the other when in fact the real issue is the Broncos and the Chargers.


Get a clue , the Faiders are big time losers who may win the right to have the 1st choice in next seasons draft. To play it close with them is anything but a claim to fame this year.

Now dazzle me with some real football insight.

[boltaneer]

based on your tongue in cheek response, it's obvious you don't think either of those options will work against the might Chargers, eh?

yeah..we are screwed, we have no chance against the mighty Chargers?

I mean, you all have a lot of success in Denver right? errrr oops....

You all have played against good defenses this year right? errr oops

You all have your best defensive pass rusher on the field, right? errrr ooops

your corners are top notch, right? errrr oopss

yeah, seriously, Denver has zero chance of scoring even 3 points againt or OR holding your mighty offense to 40 points

Actually, I never said that Denver has no chance. I think it will be a very close game, possibly coming down to the wire.

I think if Denver does a good job of mixing up the defense, that is their best shot. If Denver sits backs in coverage, I think there is a good chance that Rivers can pick apart the zones as long as he doesn't make a mistake towards Bailey's side. If they go blitz happy like they usually do against San Diego, Rivers has already shown that he can burn you.

Both teams are in the top three in the AFC along with Indy. Both teams have lost close games and could be undefeated like Indy, if not for a play here or a play there.

[shakenbake]

San Diego is like Seattle imho. They could leave the division and no one would even notice. They really have no rivial because no one takes them seriously. Sure they have a good season or two every 10 years, but then they disappear. The best thing about having San Diego in our division is that it makes a nice place to travel to with fellow Bronco fans. Its a great city to go to and have a good time.

[Rascal]

Well Mr I am extremely brilliant tell us why anyone should give a rats a z z one way or the other when in fact the real issue is the Broncos and the Chargers.


Get a clue , the Faiders are big time losers who may win the right to have the 1st choice in next seasons draft. To play it close with them is anything but a claim to fame this year.

Now dazzle me with some real football insight.

You were the one that got bent out shape when the statement about Oakland and Denver having a bigger rivalry. Not my fault your panties got all twisted.

Who cares if we barely beat them? That's one thing you and the outsiders morons can't comprehend, how much you defeat an opponent by does not matter. Only if you won or lost.

[broncocalijohn]

Simple fact is our line doesnt get to the QB in the last two years. Gates and LT have been on this team for more than a couple of years now. We shut them down everytime. I feel we need to pressure Rivers but we swept the Bolts last year with the same type of defense. Our worry should be a productive offense. Nothing more and nothing less.

[broncocalijohn]

BTW: How is the media like ESPN darlings going to spin this game for the victors and still sneak in that they would need to step up their game to beat the New England Patriots. ESPN and ESPN radio kisses this team's A$$ every week.

[broncocalijohn]

This game is going to be a MAJOR wake up call for donk fans. EVERYONE of you will be SCEAMING for Cutler after this game. You guys will see again what an ELITE QB can do for a team.

You guys will all hit your knees praying Cutler is another Elway. For your sake I hope he is because Rivers is going to be killing you guys for the next 10 years!!

Nice to see a guy that has been at the mane since 2003 yet his remarks are as clever as a Faider fan. I had hope for all laid back Charger fans until this post. So, you have already labeled Cutler as an Elite QB, Rivers will beat the broncos the next ten years (Elway can never claim that) and Your defense, that just gave up over 40 points, will make Jake look bad. Do you even realize tha tthe Chargers havent swept the Broncos since 1982? How about the time when all the Charger bandwagoners went to the fan shop to pick up there Stan Humpries jersey after starting the season 6 and 0 and playing the hapless 2 and 4 Broncos at San Deigo. We beat you even with that bad team. Be excited about your QB as you should. You got guys shot, hurt and on drugs that wont be playing this game. Be worried that Jake will play like he did at Pitt and against the Colts.

[RMANCIL]

You were the one that got bent out shape when the statement about Oakland and Denver having a bigger rivalry. Not my fault your panties got all twisted.

Who cares if we barely beat them? That's one thing you and the outsiders morons can't comprehend, how much you defeat an opponent by does not matter. Only if you won or lost.

You need a Elvyn Woods reading comprehension course , my post was in response to another Donky fan who made claim to a exclusive rivalry with the Faiders and how that helped the Faiders in your last game.
Now why it helped them and not the Donkeys isn't clear. That said I would not be shocked that in fact the Broncos were looking past the Faiders as anyone who has the IQ above a plant knows that they don't have a pro team in Oakland at this time.

The big game is this Sunday and the Broncos must win if they have any hope to claim the AFC west crown.

That's what I am talking about. Go ahead and reread the thread take your time and get back to me before Sunday. :sunshine:

[orangenblue]

I think it's worth noting that since the Chargers don't have a number one receiver, Champ isn't really taking much of anything away.

Yeah, well he's in our secondary. He's there and can make plays. All we need is an INT from him.

[MrPeepers]

I never said it was exclusive, so perhaps you need the english comprehension course . I simply said I believed our rivalry is much more intense than san diego, and yes SD has a rivalry, but I still don't buy that it's on the same level yet as the Broncos v. Raiders or the Chiefs v. Raiders. Rivalries come with extended winning, something the Chuggers haven't done till the past few years.

I would be willing to bet if we took a national poll, the Chargers v. Raiders is not considered a major rivalry. I would however, say the Chiefs or Broncos v. Raiders would be up there.

On that website your Chuggers are listed as the last rivalry in the division as well.


The Denver Broncos (http://www.raidersonline.org/denverbroncosnews.php) and the Raiders have been divisional rivals since the two teams began play in the AFL in 1960. While the Raiders still hold a sizable advantage in regular season play (54-37-2), the Broncos have won five of the last six matchups (2003-2005). Current Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan coached the Raiders before being fired just four games into the 1989 season, which has only served to intensify this rivalry.
The Kansas City Chiefs and the Raiders have had several memorable matches and have a bitter division rivalry, which was exacerbated in 1968 when the Kansas City Athletics baseball team moved to, of all places, Oakland, and in 1969 when the Kansas City Royals expansion team was placed in the same division as the A's. It seems to have given Kansas City sports fans a bitter dislike of Oakland in general.

[BigBad]

So, you have already labeled Cutler as an Elite QB .

UHHH no I just meant Jake sure the heck isnt.

Be worried that Jake will play like he did at Pitt and against the Colts.


HAHAHA 9 games in and all you can come up with is 2 games!!!

Oh yea that Colt game. Some game winning sustained drive he lead.
LOL

[Rascal]

You need a Elvyn Woods reading comprehension course , my post was in response to another Donky fan who made claim to a exclusive rivalry with the Faiders and how that helped the Faiders in your last game.
Now why it helped them and not the Donkeys isn't clear. That said I would not be shocked that in fact the Broncos were looking past the Faiders as anyone who has the IQ above a plant knows that they don't have a pro team in Oakland at this time.

The big game is this Sunday and the Broncos must win if they have any hope to claim the AFC west crown.

That's what I am talking about. Go ahead and reread the thread take your time and get back to me before Sunday. :sunshine:


I didn't say you were the one you made the statement, I said you were the one who got bent out of shape about it.

Care to retake that IQ exam and that reading comprehension class? LOL

[bloodsunday]

Didnt say we would blow you out, just that Rivers WILL make the difference.

Saying that Rivers absolutely is the difference is just flat out dumb. First of all, implying that Rivers is the diffrerence implies that somehow he is a major upgrade over the guy you put out there against us in the past several seasons. I have a hard time comprehending that as Brees played at a Pro Bowl level -- a level high enough to keep your elite QB on the BENCH! That "sad sack" Brees that played for you the last couple seasons really sucks in New Orleans now as well. Come on, Rivers alone won't make this team any different.

Remember two things, we have a HUGE edge in coaching. It's big game, division game, and a road game, so you know Marty's gonna get conservative. We always play well against LT -- if you think he's gonna go off like he did on those blowhard's in Cincy you are crazy.

And one more thing... I'm afraid your "elite" QB is gonna do what every dumb QB we face does -- challenge the Champ. Champ knows how to bait a QB, and Rivers is a little too young to get that.

[RMANCIL]

I never said it was exclusive, so perhaps you need the english comprehension course . I simply said I believed our rivalry is much more intense than san diego, and yes SD has a rivalry, but I still don't buy that it's on the same level yet as the Broncos v. Raiders or the Chiefs v. Raiders. Rivalries come with extended winning, something the Chuggers haven't done till the past few years.

I would be willing to bet if we took a national poll, the Chargers v. Raiders is not considered a major rivalry. I would however, say the Chiefs or Broncos v. Raiders would be up there.

On that website your Chuggers are listed as the last rivalry in the division as well.


The Denver Broncos (http://www.raidersonline.org/denverbroncosnews.php) and the Raiders have been divisional rivals since the two teams began play in the AFL in 1960. While the Raiders still hold a sizable advantage in regular season play (54-37-2), the Broncos have won five of the last six matchups (2003-2005). Current Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan coached the Raiders before being fired just four games into the 1989 season, which has only served to intensify this rivalry.
The Kansas City Chiefs and the Raiders have had several memorable matches and have a bitter division rivalry, which was exacerbated in 1968 when the Kansas City Athletics baseball team moved to, of all places, Oakland, and in 1969 when the Kansas City Royals expansion team was placed in the same division as the A's. It seems to have given Kansas City sports fans a bitter dislike of Oakland in general.

This maybe a shock but they can and sometimes do in fact use the alphabet now in Oakland. The point is that the Broncos played down to the Faider level in your narrow win at home.


The Faiders offense is nothing in comparison to the Chargers. The Donkeys offense has been all but absent this year and if you don't win at your own house the odds are you won't win in S.D.

I wish the two teams were both at full strength if that were the case I don't think the Donkeys would have a chance vs this Charger team. The Chargers and the Bears when healthy are in fact the two best teams in football.

I like our odds even banged up and on the road.

[BigBad]

Saying that Rivers absolutely is the difference is just flat out dumb. First of all, implying that Rivers is the diffrerence implies that somehow he is a major upgrade over the guy you put out there against us in the past several seasons. I have a hard time comprehending that as Brees played at a Pro Bowl level -- a level high enough to keep your elite QB on the BENCH! That "sad sack" Brees that played for you the last couple seasons really sucks in New Orleans now as well. Come on, Rivers alone won't make this team any different.


This is a common mis conception about Brees from guys who dont see him play unless he plays their teams.

Look Brees is a GODD QB. Not great. He ALWAYS does bad against good defenses. Look at what you guys did everytime.

Here is how you beat Brees(which Denver knew and stuck with).

Brees can NOT throw an out beyond 10 yards and his deep ball is only good if a guy is wide open. So you squeeze the field on him. Prefably with fast LB's to cover the crossing and intermediate routes. He is a DUMP off specialist. Is it a coincedence that LT had 100 receptions and Bush leads his team in receptions this year with Brees?

The reason Rivers is the difference is that he CAN make ALL the throws. Our intermediate routes will be a little deeper which moves your LB's back. THis will bring LT back into play when we play you guys.

LT will have his best game ever in the Mile high city THIS SUNDAY.

[When Lightning Strikes]

The bolts seconday isnt weak...and you donkeys will figure that out this week. Carson Palmer is about 300 times better than Joke Plummer and between Chad Johnson Chris Henry, and TJ Whos-yo-Momma....thier recievers are about 100 times better than all your recievers combined....imo of course. Lets see Joke Plummer put up 150 yrds on us and ill be suprised.

2 INTs and 6 sacks...prediction

[When Lightning Strikes]

The only thing you guys in Denver have going for you is the lack of oxygen...Mile High is the only stadium ive seen the football with an oxygen mask...!!

[bloodsunday]

Look Brees is a GODD QB. Not great. He ALWAYS does bad against good defenses. Look at what you guys did everytime.

Right. And how many "good" defenses has Rivers beat this year? So he went off on Cincy? Big deal.

LT will have his best game ever in the Mile high city THIS SUNDAY.
So his best "best game ever in the Mile high city" gives him what, 65 yards?

[MrPeepers]

The Faiders offense is nothing in comparison to the Chargers. The Donkeys offense has been all but absent this year and if you don't win at your own house the odds are you won't win in S.D.

I wish the two teams were both at full strength if that were the case I don't think the Donkeys would have a chance vs this Charger team. The Chargers and the Bears when healthy are in fact the two best teams in football.

I like our odds even banged up and on the road. [/QUOTE]



Last year we were supposed to get our asses handed to us in San Diego. The truth is we can both homer up our teams as much as we want, but in the end...

The chargers are supposed to lose this game, if they win its a huge statement about what kind of Charger team they are. They just have to show up and play hard to be a good team in my mind. If the chuggers just fail to show up, they won't win the division.

[MrPeepers]

The only thing you guys in Denver have going for you is the lack of oxygen...Mile High is the only stadium ive seen the football with an oxygen mask...!!



um... ok:kiddingme

[epicSocialism4tw]

We've already locked Champ up on Gates one on one and Bailey smothered him.

Great gobbledeygook Batman, the Charger fans that come in here dont know anything about their team. Should we be surprised? I wonder if there depth of knowledge goes beyond "the greatest team to fail to make the playoffs."

[RMANCIL]

The Faiders offense is nothing in comparison to the Chargers. The Donkeys offense has been all but absent this year and if you don't win at your own house the odds are you won't win in S.D.

I wish the two teams were both at full strength if that were the case I don't think the Donkeys would have a chance vs this Charger team. The Chargers and the Bears when healthy are in fact the two best teams in football.

I like our odds even banged up and on the road.



Last year we were supposed to get our asses handed to us in San Diego. The truth is we can both homer up our teams as much as we want, but in the end...

The chargers are supposed to lose this game, if they win its a huge statement about what kind of Charger team they are. They just have to show up and play hard to be a good team in my mind. If the chuggers just fail to show up, they won't win the division.[/QUOTE]

Every team has a weakness a position that if you suffer injury the fall off is critical. The Chargers lost their OLT last season just after the midway point and their inability to hide their poor left tackle play was exploited by several teams including the Donkeys.

Roman Oben was added to the roster this week and will back up rookie LOT Marcus McNeil who is in the running for Offensive rookie of the year.

The Chargers must continue to get strong play from the OLT in order to protect Rivers and to force teams from loading up inside the box and blitzing every down.

That was the key for the Donkeys last year and we will see just how that works this year.

[The Lone Bolt]

Sure he will. *Pats charger fan on the head. Go play now. :kiss:


Be sure to come back for your serving of crow. I'll save you an EXTRA big slice!:~ohyah!:

[elsid13]

You like that ....Bob. :~ohyah!:

Yeah the Charger fan gave the Chef fan a woodie. Be very proud of yourself.

[400HZ]

Brees was definetely a good quarterback, but he didn't fit our system very well. Most of our offensive power is inside with LT and Gates. Therefore, good teams load up the box against us and jam up the middle of the field. Brees struggled mightily getting teams to open it back up. Rivers is taller, stronger, and has a quicker release. He is better suited to open things back up. The week will be the ultimate test of just how good he is at it. That will probably be what the game comes down to, assuming Denver follows the same gameplan that they have been using against us so effectively the last few years.

If Rivers can beat the blitz and get the ball down field to our receivers, it will create running lanes for LT. If LT has running lanes, then he's going to score, and we're going to win. Beating the Broncos' pressure is going to be key. We can't run max protect all day either. The Broncs DBs can clamp down hard if we only have 3 receivers running routes, and we don't have any advantages to work against their secondary. Rivers and our receivers just need to find a way to get it done.

[sirhcyennek81]

Brees was definetely a good quarterback, but he didn't fit our system very well. Most of our offensive power is inside with LT and Gates. Therefore, good teams load up the box against us and jam up the middle of the field. Brees struggled mightily getting teams to open it back up. Rivers is taller, stronger, and has a quicker release. He is better suited to open things back up. The week will be the ultimate test of just how good he is at it. That will probably be what the game comes down to, assuming Denver follows the same gameplan that they have been using against us so effectively the last few years.

If Rivers can beat the blitz and get the ball down field to our receivers, it will create running lanes for LT. If LT has running lanes, then he's going to score, and we're going to win. Beating the Broncos' pressure is going to be key. We can't run max protect all day either. The Broncs DBs can clamp down hard if we only have 3 receivers running routes, and we don't have any advantages to work against their secondary. Rivers and our receivers just need to find a way to get it done.


Broncos primary concern is always going to be LT, no matter who your quarterback is, and because the Broncos can shut him down, the pressure will be on Rivers, just like it was on Brees. If LT has a big day, the chargers will win, if not, Denver will win.

:Broncos:

[BigBad]

Broncos primary concern is always going to be LT, no matter who your quarterback is, and because the Broncos can shut him down, the pressure will be on Rivers, just like it was on Brees. If LT has a big day, the chargers will win, if not, Denver will win.

:Broncos:

This was right before with Brees. Im telling you if you load up on LT your going to get picked apart by Rivers ALL DAY!

Funny thing is I bet you your coaches are already seeing this. You guys will probably be more balanced defensivly against us than ever before.

[400HZ]

Broncos primary concern is always going to be LT, no matter who your quarterback is, and because the Broncos can shut him down, the pressure will be on Rivers, just like it was on Brees. If LT has a big day, the chargers will win, if not, Denver will win.

:Broncos:

That's exactly what I mean. We think Rivers is better equipped to win than Drewfus was.

[Atwater His Ass]

Rivers in no better than Brees at this point in time. He has some great potential to be much better, but he's not right now. Again, this Charger team is really no different than last year's team and we swept them.

The Chargers will live and die with LT. We shut him down and we win.

[BigBad]

You obviously havnt seen Rivers play. He completed more DEEP outs last week than Brees did his ENTIRE tenure with us.

Our offense was good with Brees, SCARY with RIVERS.

[Atwater His Ass]

You obviously havnt seen Rivers play. He completed more DEEP outs last week than Brees did his ENTIRE tenure with us.

Our offense was good with Brees, SCARY with RIVERS.

I obviously have. He's good, very good. But so was Brees. But it really doesn't matter. Stop LT, we win. Rivers can't beat us by himself.

[Broncojef]

I have tried to really stomach all of this SanDieggo love as I think the game will be close Sunday but we go through this every year. The Chargers start playing games that matter late in the season and they fall apart, period. Deeming Rivers Elite is the last straw in my mind. he has played good against some real bad teams, but Elite....give it a rest. The only Elite QB that will be in Denver at all this year left town after sqeeking out a win 34-31. I keep waiting for Jake and the Broncos to come out and just embarrass someone with all this ESPN love and hype. God do I pray its this week to stop the lie that is SanDieggo. We secretly know how bad you really suck.

[BroncoFanCam]

The only thing you guys in Denver have going for you is the lack of oxygen...Mile High is the only stadium ive seen the football with an oxygen mask...!!You're an idiot and you need to work on your observancy skills.

ROUTINELY in MOST stadiums you will see guys huffing oxygen after large runs or plays of extreme nature.

Wake up and pay attention you silly dolt.

[400HZ]

I obviously have. He's good, very good. But so was Brees. But it really doesn't matter. Stop LT, we win. Rivers can't beat us by himself.

Every team that we've played has basically tried to use that strategy, adn we're 7-2.

Rivers isn't neccesarily a better QB yet. He has a different playing style than Brees, and it fits our offense better.

[telluride]

S.D. is not a title threat because Marty self-destructs toward the end of the season.

Sadly, this is not yet the end of the season, and S.D. has proven to be a far more competent team than we have thus far. 'Fraid they'll likely win.

(Unless Cutler plays -- then we kick ass!)

[Rascal]

Look who came out of the woodshed. LOL

Amazing who shows up when doubts arise.

[BroncoFanCam]

This was right before with Brees. Im telling you if you load up on LT your going to get picked apart by Rivers ALL DAY!

Funny thing is I bet you your coaches are already seeing this. You guys will probably be more balanced defensivly against us than ever before.The same holds true for MOST teams...

The thing that helps us is, your #1 receiver (whoever we deem that to be) is effectively OUT OF THE GAME, Champ WILL make him nonexistent, that is a given. And if Rivers wouldlike to test that, i am sure all of Broncoland, and Champ himself invite his challenge with open arms.

He has shown repeatedly, what happens when you test his abilities vs our opponents best WR.

That gives us at least one more player to toss at LT. If Darrent can hold his own, we now have very good matchups for both facets (running and passing).

[400HZ]

I'm sure you will take one of our receivers out. Thank God we don't have a QB like the Plummer behind center!

[BroncoFanCam]

I'm sure you will take one of our receivers out. Thank God we don't have a QB like the Plummer behind center!If you onl;y you had more than one pass-catcher worth a damn. :welcome:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

If you onl;y you had more than one pass-catcher worth a damn. :welcome:

Are you really this dense? San Diego's offense is vastly superior to Denver's.

[BroncoFanCam]

Are you really this dense? San Diego's offense is vastly superior to Denver's.Who said anything about comparison to our's?

I said that their offense is nothing special when paired against our defense. We match-up very well with them and have, for a very long time.

[WoodMan]

S.D. is not a title threat because Marty self-destructs toward the end of the season.

Sadly, this is not yet the end of the season, and S.D. has proven to be a far more competent team than we have thus far. 'Fraid they'll likely win.

(Unless Cutler plays -- then we kick ass!)

Thats it. The Broncos win for sure now. The old double wammy. Both boob and telluride have picked Sandy Eggo. I'm upping my prediction. Broncos 31
Chuggers 17.

[Atwater His Ass]

Every team that we've played has basically tried to use that strategy, adn we're 7-2.

Rivers isn't neccesarily a better QB yet. He has a different playing style than Brees, and it fits our offense better.

That's great. But that strategy worked to sweep you guys last season, so I fail to see how it matters how other teams have played you. It works for Denver, which is all that matters for this game.

[400HZ]

That's great. But that strategy worked to sweep you guys last season, so I fail to see how it matters how other teams have played you. It works for Denver, which is all that matters for this game.

So.....like I said, Phillip Rivers (he's our new quarterback) has several advantages over Brees. He can see over the offensive line and makes quicker reads and quicker throws than Brees did. What worked for you guys last year may not work for you this year.

[BigBad]

Exactly!!

[WABronco]

Yea..........these FO guys SUCK!!!! LET'S BITCH ABOUT THEM FOR 5 PAGES...FOR THE 20th TIME THISSS YEARRRRRRRRRRRR! WOWOOOOOOOOO!

[theAPAOps5]

Drew had to play against a much harder schedule last year. Rivers numbers are inflated. Reality will kick in Sunday night. The kid does have some good years ahead of him though.

[BroncoFanCam]

Yea..........these FO guys SUCK!!!! LET'S b**** ABOUT THEM FOR 5 PAGES...FOR THE 20th TIME THISSS YEARRRRRRRRRRRR! WOWOOOOOOOOO!
I agree.... Nyah!

[milehimike]

I had so much fun reading this thread , I just don't want to read any farther. My side hurts from laughing, the only thing that would make this more fun would be to go start over again agd give - rep to all the chugger posts.:thumbs: :rofl: :wiggle: :rofl: !Booya! :thanku: ;D :thumbsup: And thanks for starting this thread, too much fun!!!!

[Jetmeck]

Brees is a great QB. Rivers is an elite QB.



This shows your a total homer. You sent the proven veteran down the road and now proclaim that your basically a rookie QB ...ELITE. He hasn't proven a thing yet against quality teams he has lost.

[Boltjolt]

The whole game. He had two catches for 15 yards and no first downs or TD's.

Gates has never played well against DEN, and LT has struggled mightily in DEN. Those high point games are not going to be so easy in MILE High where SD averages 11 points a game.


More importantly...Drew Brees has never played wel against Denver which has a big effect on those other two guys.

Brees is Gone, Rivers is the new guy who is bigger, stronger, better.

[Boltjolt]

This shows your a total homer. You sent the proven veteran down the road and now proclaim that your basically a rookie QB ...ELITE. He hasn't proven a thing yet against quality teams he has lost.

The team lost...Rivers played well against them. Against Baltimore, we were moving the ball well and then in th 2nd half...Marty decides to throw only 4 passes while the run game became obvious and got shut down and he continiued to run. Coaching lost that game and he was shelled for it.

KC...well what can i say...we have won there 3 times in 17 years. But Rivers didnt play badly there either.

The kid has thrown only 3 INT's.

Lets get ONE thing straight tho...Rivers is no rookie. First year starter yes, but no rookie. Cutler is a rookie.
Rivers is just a very smart guy and a BIG leader on this team now.

[Atwater His Ass]

Taking nothing away from Rivers, but calling a QB who has only started 9 games elite is just laughable.

[sirhcyennek81]

Every team that we've played has basically tried to use that strategy, adn we're 7-2.

Rivers isn't neccesarily a better QB yet. He has a different playing style than Brees, and it fits our offense better.


You also play one of the weakest schedules in the NFL. If denver had opened the season with Oakland, Tennesee and San Francisco, we wouldnt be talking about how "bad" the Bronco offense is. Weak defensive teams will do that for you. The teams that have decent defenses, like Baltimore, and KC, BEAT YOU. You are playing the best scoring defense in the NFL in their house. Short of gift turnovers, you will be hard pressed to put up 7 on most drives.

:Broncos:

[Dedhed]

More importantly...Drew Brees has never played wel against Denver which has a big effect on those other two guys.

Brees is Gone, Rivers is the new guy who is bigger, stronger, better.

Rivers has played well against the Broncos?

[fontaine]

Looks like both of the Chargers' recent first roid picks won't be playing this Sunday:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/11/16/bc.fbn.chargers.injuries.ap/index.html

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- It's looking more likely that the Chargers will be missing defensive end Luis Castillo for Sunday night's AFC West showdown at Denver.

Castillo, who sprained an ankle in the Nov. 5 win over the Cleveland Browns, has yet to return to practice. Coach Marty Schottenheimer said he would prefer Castillo take part in one practice before playing in a game.

>>Eric Parker who has a neck injury remains Questionable but did practice in some drills.