Broncos Vs. Chargers: "The Battle for Supremacy"

[Sassy]

Let's talk about the GAME!
Predictions? Analysis? Matchups? ( NO JAKE/JAY TALK HERE...)
P.S. I stole the "title" from NBC ;D

[broncofan2438]

This is going to be an excellent game. Expect the croud to be rumbling the stadium. Our defense must step up and create turnovers. We must stop LT, and put a lot of pressure on Rivers. And oh yea, mr Plummer must make no mistakes

[freak6]

Well since Jay Cutler is going to start, I say we will win it.

Actually, maybe Plummer starts, but Jay comes in and rescues the game from the clutches of defeat.

I honestly can't analyze this game. It all comes down to which Jake shows up. You might as well flip a coin.

[Sassy]

This is going to be an excellent game. Expect the croud to be rumbling the stadium. Our defense must step up and create turnovers. We must stop LT, and put a lot of pressure on Rivers. And oh yea, mr Plummer must make no mistakes

LT has not had very good games against the Broncos. He had four TD's last week...let's hope he's stopped this time.

[No1BroncoFan]

( NO JAKE/JAY TALK HERE...)
Good luck with that around these parts...
Let's talk about the GAME!
Predictions? Analysis? Matchups?

P.S. I stole the "title" from NBC ;D
I think the defense comes out pissed and the offense plays above their heads and hands San Diego a butt whoopin'.

Ben

[2KBack]

there are gonna be a lot of chips on a lot of shoulders out there this weekend. LAst week was odd, with the random benchings and lingering injuries. I think this will be a different team this week. I assume MEadows will practice first team all week, which hopefully will put the running game back on track(and he'll cut down on false starts). Not to mention I'd like to see Mike Bell and Cobbs back, I don't have faith in tatums toes right now. The TEs remain a mystery, while I like Nate as a reciever, I really think Scheff has done well blocking this year, and I'd like to see him back. Overall I want Ian back, we needs his speed out there to help contain LT.

[Hogan11]

I don't know why everyone sweats the Chargers. They've played one team with a decent defense this year...Baltimore....and they lost that game. Sorry, but I'm not overly impressed by wins over Sincy and Pittsburgh.

If the Ravens and Chefs can take them, so can Denver......twice.

[ksBRONCOfan]

This will definitely be a game worth being on Sunday Night. I think we'll see the defense come alive with picks and pressure on Rivers. I hope Mike Bell is back to carry the workload. And I hope (sorry Sassy) Jake plays well, because even if he plays like crap you know Shanahan won't put in Cutler.

[Boltergeist]

I don't know why everyone sweats the Chargers. They've played one team with a decent defense this year...Baltimore....and they lost that game. Sorry, but I'm not overly impressed by wins over Sincy and Pittsburgh.

If the Ravens and Chefs can take them, so can Denver......twice.



Don't want to pee in your kool aid, but the pretty much owned the Ravens all day in their house and managed to choke the game away at the end unfortunately. The Chargers had the better stat line across the board in that game. The Chargers also barely lost to the Chefs on a last second FG...again on the road in a stadium none of us have an easy time winning at where the Chargers dug themselves a hole by turning the ball over 3 times in the 1st quarter.

You guys managed to get by the Ravens in the 4th quarter at home thanks to an INT in the end zone...in a game the Ravens had more total yards....and you also barely beat the Chiefs at home thanks to a Larry Johnson fumble inside your 5 yard line shooting them in the foot....and that was when they were really playing like crap and Huard was just getting adjusted.

Before you say it, I know...all that matters is scoreboard...but I'm just sayin'...it's a fine line between 7-2 and 5-4.

Keep thinking this is 4 or 5 years ago and the Chargers aren't going to show up. We're perfectly fine flying under the radar. IMO this game isn't going to be easy for either side.

[2KBack]

We're perfectly fine flying under the radar.

Flying under the radar? SD has been a media darling for 3 seasons, they weren't even under the radar when they were losing last year.

[Boltergeist]

Flying under the radar? SD has been a media darling for 3 seasons, they weren't even under the radar when they were losing last year.

I think it's all perspective...all we hear about is your great invincible defense...and no mention of the back-to-back almost 500 yards of total offense per game given up over the past two.

On the flip side, I would be confident if I were a Bronco fan too. We haven't had much success in Denver over the years and you hold one of the great home field advantages with the altitude.....but..... if you aren't able to hold serve at home this week....things could get a little dicey for the Broncos down the stretch. This game means a lot to the Chargers...but even more to the Broncos.

[2KBack]

I think it's all perspective...all we hear about is your great invincible defense...and no mention of the back-to-back almost 500 yards of total offense per game given up over the past two.

On the flip side, I would be confident if I were a Bronco fan too. We haven't had much success in Denver over the years and you hold one of the great home field advantages with the altitude.....but..... if you aren't able to hold serve at home this week....things could get a little dicey for the Broncos down the stretch. This game means a lot to the Chargers...but even more to the Broncos.

you're right about the perspective thing, everyone always thinks they are being disresepected.

I wouldn't say I'm confidant about the game, but I'm also not as afraid of it as some the others on the schedule. This game is huge though, since the winner has the inside track for the division. I am glad it's in Denver.

[ton80]

I think it's all perspective...all we hear about is your great invincible defense...and no mention of the back-to-back almost 500 yards of total offense per game given up over the past two.

On the flip side, I would be confident if I were a Bronco fan too. We haven't had much success in Denver over the years and you hold one of the great home field advantages with the altitude.....but..... if you aren't able to hold serve at home this week....things could get a little dicey for the Broncos down the stretch. This game means a lot to the Chargers...but even more to the Broncos.

Wrong. This game is way more important for the Chargers. We already are up on the Chargers by way of tiebreakers (we beat baltimore, you didn't). If we win, it will put us essentially up by 2 games.

[NFLBRONCO]

Wrong. This game is way more important for the Chargers. We already are up on the Chargers by way of tiebreakers (we beat baltimore, you didn't). If we win, it will put us essentially up by 2 games.

This is more important for Denver because we go to KC and SD in the next few weeks.

[DivineLegion]

We usualy do very well at stoping LT and that will force Rivers to try to beat us. I think an early turnover could get our Defense into his head and start a chain of mistakes down the road.

People like to talk about how we struggled with the Faid and the Chargers whaluped the Bungles...the Bungles have an absolutly ****y D and Marvin Lewis knows that, so for people to belive that SD can put up 43 points on our Defense is just out of the question unless we are more banged up than I thought. The possiblity for our Offense to put up 41 on thier D...Depends on what Jake shows up Javon has the playmaking ability to be just as good or better than OchoCinco and Rod is the same if not better threat that TJ poses. Rudi Johnson is far superior to any back we have right now but I think if we can realy get the run game going we can match his performance of last week so 41...not likely but possible.

With the way this game is shaping up it will all hang on weather we can get the run game going and if Jake plays mistake free for the Offense, and the Defense just needs to perform like years past...Shut down Gates and Stop LT, Rivers will look dazed and confused. This is pretty much the same team we swept last season and the same young QB that half our second stringers beat late last season. (Basicly if Jake can out perform VanPelt we might have a chance ;) )


Go BRONCOS

[400HZ]

Wrong. This game is way more important for the Chargers. We already are up on the Chargers by way of tiebreakers (we beat baltimore, you didn't). If we win, it will put us essentially up by 2 games.

Wrong. You haven't played in Narrowhead yet, and we beat St Louis who beat you. There's no advantage there. This game has to be more important to Denver. If we lose...well, we get another shot a few weeks down the road in our house.



Rivers will look dazed and confused.


A lot could happen in this game, but Rivers getting dazed and confused is one thing that I would definetely bet against.

The interception bug is one that generally bites young quarterbacks, but Rivers has been able to avoid it. In Peyton Manning’s first year as a starter, he threw 28 interceptions. Tom Brady tossed 12, and Carson Palmer was picked off 18 times as he learned the ropes. Rivers is on pace for less than six this season.

[Popps]

What are Ekuban/Gold's status for the week?

[DivineLegion]

Wrong. You haven't played in Narrowhead yet, and we beat St Louis who beat you. There's no advantage there. This game has to be more important to Denver. If we lose...well, we get another shot a few weeks down the road in our house.




A lot could happen in this game, but Rivers getting dazed and confused is one thing that I would definetely bet against.

The interception bug is one that generally bites young quarterbacks, but Rivers has been able to avoid it. In Peyton Manning’s first year as a starter, he threw 28 interceptions. Tom Brady tossed 12, and Carson Palmer was picked off 18 times as he learned the ropes. Rivers is on pace for less than six this season.

I know exactly where Rivers is at man I live in Raliegh...you cant turn a street corner without hearing Rivers name. My Brother is an NC State alum and he follows the Chargers for the sole purpose of watching Rivers NFL carieer. From what I have seen discussed and already possesed of Rivers playing ability, hes not one to make mistakes. Hes very cautious with the ball but still has a lightning fast release. Thats what makes him so dangerous. On top of that he has a great mind for the game hes very football savy and reads Defenses very well. His biggest problem is his mobility and if...only if Denver decided to acctualy attempt at creating any sort of a pass rush we can get to him. We are a team built for speed and Phillip is not one to out run a quick linemen. I think it all comes down to making him force throws, you know hes going to be cautious and not throw to the covered man so you have to make him either throw it away or make him force it to Champs side of the field.

[BigBoltIke]

Wrong. This game is way more important for the Chargers. We already are up on the Chargers by way of tiebreakers (we beat baltimore, you didn't). If we win, it will put us essentially up by 2 games.

Actually, here are the tie-breaking procedures.

Let's assume a 1-1 split, with both SD and DEN sweeping OAK and splitting KC, and DEN winning all other games while SD loses to SEA, since that's actually not an unrealistic scenario.

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs). TIE
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. TIE
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
There are 8 Common non-divisional games. AFC N and NFC W. SD is 5-1, DEN is 5-1. TIE

4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. SD would be 9-3, DEN would be 9-3. TIE
5. Strength of victory. Chargers, since we've blown out a bunch of teams. I don't know what else this could mean.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

[BigBoltIke]

Our ability to move the ball in the passing game is not dependent on a single receiver, so having Bailey out there isn't really a big advantage for you guys. While Rivers isn't a scrambler he's really adept at moving around in the pocket and can extend a play somewhat with his legs. He converted a critical 3rd down against Pitt with his legs and what was the winning TD pass Sunday was possible because Rivers moved out of the pocket to set up the toss to the TE.

[OrangeShadow]

bailey is an advantage no matter who you are.

[Florida_Bronco]

pretty much owned the Ravens all day in their house and managed to choke the game away at the end

Seems like this is a common problem with the Chargeless. :giggle:

[orange 4 life]

Let's talk about the GAME!
Predictions? Analysis? Matchups? ( NO JAKE/JAY TALK HERE...)
P.S. I stole the "title" from NBC ;D

shame on you young lady!!!

dont you know that we absolutely and without question DO NOT discuss upcoming games on this forum.

kindly go back to one of our many wonderful threads that bash our qb. Hilarious!

sorry sis, i couldnt resist.
never any predictions from me. you know that. too superstitious.
as for analysis, we could go on a LONG time, but the essentials of it seem fairly simple.

as we have done in years past, we of course must shut down tomlinson, and given our ability to stop the run in general as well as the history and the size factor (our line is best against smaller backs), we gotta think we CAN effectively slow him down.
from there, rivers will of course be throwing often, and the key is of course pressure.
its redundant, but its true.

pressure the youngster and good things are bound to happen. give him all day like we did with manning, and the kid will make some plays. he wont likely go manning on us, but he'll make some plays and theyll score some points.

that aside, i expect our offense to also put up some points. i doubt we'll be able to do ALOT in the run game (though i hope to at least get 100 yards), but i DO think we'll be able to make alot of plays in the passing game.
i look for plummer to be throwing often, and like the pitt game or the oakland game (after the God awful 1 for 9 start!!) i expect he'll make quite a few plays.

we SHOULD be able to win this one in a shootout, though i hope we can really shut them down and put them back in their place.
we'll see soon!!

jake

[orange 4 life]

Actually, here are the tie-breaking procedures.

Let's assume a 1-1 split, with both SD and DEN sweeping OAK and splitting KC, and DEN winning all other games while SD loses to SEA, since that's actually not an unrealistic scenario.

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs). TIE
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. TIE
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
There are 8 Common non-divisional games. AFC N and NFC W. SD is 5-1, DEN is 5-1. TIE

4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. SD would be 9-3, DEN would be 9-3. TIE
5. Strength of victory. Chargers, since we've blown out a bunch of teams. I don't know what else this could mean.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

"common games" are games that are against common opponents.
we both played baltimore. we won, you lost. thats a point for us in "common games".

[NW Bolt Fan]

"common games" are games that are against common opponents.
we both played baltimore. we won, you lost. thats a point for us in "common games".
we both played St. Louis. We won, you lost. That's a point for us. So it IS a TIE

[PLOWHORSE]

Whatever team stops the other on 3rd downs wins. Keeping the Chargers O off the field will be critical for Denver. Long sustained drives with some big plays by Jake sprinkled in will do the trick. Denver 34 SD 24.

[The Lone Bolt]

Every year I look ahead to the schedule and place this game in the "L" column.


Not this year!

If you guys think you're going to rattle Rivers into making mistakes you're in for a big surprise. Phil is as cool as they come, and he's not the league's third highest rated passer for nothing.

"Force" Rivers to beat you through the air -- I DARE YA!!:~ohyah!:

We were down by 21 points twice last week in a hostile environment, and that failed to bother Phil. He just calmly lead us to a 42-13 second half comeback.

Stopping LT is only part of the problem for you guys.

Bolts by 10!

[ScottXray]

we both played St. Louis. We won, you lost. That's a point for us. So it IS a TIE


True..but if it ends the way you predicted ...we will have beaten Seattle, and you will have lost.... you will be 4-2..not 5-1 and Denver would win the third tie breaker. That of course is IF it goes down the way you said.

Easiest scenario for the Broncos...Beat the Chargers twice...end of story.

Maybe not likely...but the best way to solve the problem.

Unfortunately, I think you guys are catching us at the right time for YOU.
Our Defense is banged up...they will have to play their butts off to keep the chuggers down.

[400HZ]

Our defense is every bit as banged up as yours.

[bombquixote]

With the way this game is shaping up it will all hang on weather we can get the run game going and if Jake plays mistake free for the Offense, and the Defense just needs to perform like years past...
Go BRONCOS

I see this game more like the home game two years ago...Shanny knew the bolts would shut down our running game and so he had Jake air it out. Same game plan this week. Bolts will stack against the run early, so put the game in Jake's hands. He can do it. Our D will hold them under 20 points, so I'm looking for a lot of passing and an early lead, and some solid runs in the 4th to close out the clock and our 8-point lead.


we both played St. Louis. We won, you lost. That's a point for us. So it IS a TIE

Wrong. We beat Bmore, to whom you lost. You beat St.Louis, to whom we lost. Bmore is AFC, St.Louis is NFC. AFC victory carries more weight in a tie-breaker. Therefore, not a tie.

[WoodMan]

A big part of the outcome of this game will be based upon current injuries. The Broncos will miss Gold's speed alot if he can't go. Chucky's pass rush rotation in the D-line and Ekuban on the line, if they can't go. Bell's toes are the big concern for me on our offense. Plus all the nicks and shoulder injuries to players like Rod and DW. The Chargers are banged up on defense and have a couple of recent returns on their D-line, who are not 100%. Offensively the Chargers center was hurt last week and I'm not sure if he plays or not. If he doesn't it could cause problems on their offensive line with line calls and the exchange with Rivers. What would this mean to how they try and block Al Wilson? One of their recievers was hurt last week as well. The injury report should come out on this game soon, but it will be more interesting to see who actually suits up. Especially for Denver. What will Shanahan do with Tatum, Mike, Nash, and Cobbs. Will Sheffler return this week or still be inactive? Who knows. I wish both teams were healthy, but thats football. GO BRONCOS

I'll have to go with Al Wilson (and his supporting cast) over LT2 (and company) and call it Denver 20 San Diego 17.

[WoodMan]

Another thing to think about is Denver's O-line. Pears will get his third start and I think he improves with leaps and bounds with this early career experience. More importantly, Meadows who was a good tackle for the Titans got that first week behind him last week, and back into playing at game speed. He was much better in the second half than the first last week. I also look for him to play much better this week. Last week at Oakland was the first week our current line played together, so I'm hopeful for considerable improvement this week. Will Foster sit or play this week? I think he sits.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Wrong. We beat Bmore, to whom you lost. You beat St.Louis, to whom we lost. Bmore is AFC, St.Louis is NFC. AFC victory carries more weight in a tie-breaker. Therefore, not a tie.

Weight is assigned by ORDER of importance. Take the time to read- it makes everyone smarter. :thumbsup:

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

[mosca]

True..but if it ends the way you predicted ...we will have beaten Seattle, and you will have lost.... you will be 4-2..not 5-1 and Denver would win the third tie breaker. That of course is IF it goes down the way you said.

Easiest scenario for the Broncos...Beat the Chargers twice...end of story.

Maybe not likely...but the best way to solve the problem.

Unfortunately, I think you guys are catching us at the right time for YOU.
Our Defense is banged up...they will have to play their butts off to keep the chuggers down.
We'll have to beat Cincy too, since SD won there last week. I know their D isn't what it should be, but it should be a tough game, regardless. At least it's a home game for us.

[Atwater His Ass]

...so having Bailey out there isn't really a big advantage for you guys...

Funniest thing I've read all week. Keep it coming. :spit:

[Rock Chalk]

we both played St. Louis. We won, you lost. That's a point for us. So it IS a TIE

Then it goes to conference record.

We lost to 1 NFC team 1 AFC team. You lost to two AFC teams.

Advantage: Denver.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by BigBoltIke View Post
...so having Bailey out there isn't really a big advantage for you guys...


Remember this one come monday.



All this BS will be settled sunday....

[elsid13]

I really not impressed with the Chargers offense. Neither WR scares me against Champ and DWill, this allows the safeties to play close to the line of scrimmage stop LT. And Gates is going to have hard time beating Gold or Williams.


The key will getting the interior of the Denver offense in sync and taking out the NTs to allow the running game to develop and force the secondary into one to one match ups.

[bombquixote]

Weight is assigned by ORDER of importance. Take the time to read- it makes everyone smarter. :thumbsup:

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

It's not reading that makes everyone smarter, it's reading comprehension:
3) Tie.
4) Tie breaker...FOR DENVER.

[BroncoInSkinland]

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SanDiego has played a soft schedule and broken against any true competition they have faced. Their offensive juggernaut has struggled against the only good defense they have faced. Advantage goes to the Broncos, prediction 24-17 Broncos.

[theAPAOps5]

Every year I look ahead to the schedule and place this game in the "L" column.


Not this year!

If you guys think you're going to rattle Rivers into making mistakes you're in for a big surprise. Phil is as cool as they come, and he's not the league's third highest rated passer for nothing.

"Force" Rivers to beat you through the air -- I DARE YA!!:~ohyah!:

We were down by 21 points twice last week in a hostile environment, and that failed to bother Phil. He just calmly lead us to a 42-13 second half comeback.

Stopping LT is only part of the problem for you guys.

Bolts by 10!

Senseless Trash Talk
By 10, you are a moron if you really expect that. Go to the Air and rack up the yards, it doesn't matter. Denver will shut down the pass when its needed. That much has been proven, only Manning got it done in the Red Zone. And would you Bolts Fans shut up about 21 points and coming back. You went to the air and constantly used what have to be two of the worst CBs this year. Remember that feeling you had when Ocho Cinco abused and I mean abused you guys. Keep that feeling fresh b/c its coming back Sunday night. Walker will make your corners look like chumps.

Common Sense
Ok now the trash talk is out of my system. Seriously you can't think this is a 10 point win when you guys stink in Denver, it will be cold, and you have Marty. I think this game is going to be amazing and either team could win. I am going with the homer vote and say Denver but barely.

[Electric Chair]

I really not impressed with the Chargers offense. Neither WR scares me against Champ and DWill, this allows the safeties to play close to the line of scrimmage stop LT. And Gates is going to have hard time beating Gold or Williams.


The key will getting the interior of the Denver offense in sync and taking out the NTs to allow the running game to develop and force the secondary into one to one match ups.

I agree about not being impressed with the #1 scoring offense in the NFL, a unit that is averaging 33 points a game through nine...

By comparison the Broncos have yet to even score 33 in a single game.

I hope that your squad doesn't think much of them either...

[Master___Pain]

It's been 16 regular season home games since the Broncos have lost by 10+ points and in that time period the Broncos have out scored their opponents by an average of 10 points a game (26-10). It's stupid to think a team is going to beat the broncos by 10+ points in Denver.

[BigBoltIke]

True..but if it ends the way you predicted ...we will have beaten Seattle, and you will have lost.... you will be 4-2..not 5-1 and Denver would win the third tie breaker. That of course is IF it goes down the way you said.

Easiest scenario for the Broncos...Beat the Chargers twice...end of story.

Maybe not likely...but the best way to solve the problem.

Unfortunately, I think you guys are catching us at the right time for YOU.
Our Defense is banged up...they will have to play their butts off to keep the chuggers down.


That's true... I guess ultimately the division is going to come down to who can win out if we split with you guys...

[elsid13]

I agree about not being impressed with the #1 scoring offense in the NFL, a unit that is averaging 33 points a game through nine...

By comparison the Broncos have yet to even score 33 in a single game.

I hope that your squad doesn't think much of them either...


Listen I been hearing that crap for long time from Chef fans, and look what it got them. You're going to have to better then that, unless you want to be a second rate Chef fan.

[NW Bolt Fan]

It's not reading that makes everyone smarter, it's reading comprehension:
3) Tie.
4) Tie breaker...FOR DENVER.
First you say you win tie-breaker 3, then you agree it would be tie-breaker 4? Thanks for proving my point to begin with.

Bottom line: The first tie-breaker, head to head, is settled on Sunday. Good luck. I'm sure you won't need it given home field, and your history there.

[Atlas]

5. Strength of victory. Chargers, since we've blown out a bunch of teams. I don't know what else this could mean.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

I'm pretty sure strength of victory means the combined records of teams that you have beat.

[BigBoltIke]

Ok, how effective was Bailey against the Colts, an offense the Chargers are very similar to? Did he pick Manning? Did Darrent get ABUSED? That's the kind of balanced, multiple formation offense the Chargers are bringing to the table this Sunday.

I'm not saying the Bailey isn't the best at what he does, because he is. However, Bailey can only cover one guy at a time, and since we aren't dependent on any one of our targets to move the ball, I don't see Bailey being as much of a factor as he has been against some of your other opponents.

I also don't see another "2005 Brees to Champ" happening that puts you guys back in the game.

Will Bailey get a pick, probably not, because Rivers doesn't force passes and he gets good ball placement.

You talk about redzone performance, have you faced an offense that could come out in a 2 TE 1 WR set and have two of those guys be 6'5 with the second TE 6-2 288?

Let's not forget that not only do you have to cover our receiving targets that present tremendous mismatches for you, but you also have to stop LT.

Between the 20's, if your D is stacking it to take away LT, we'll move him to the slot and put Turner in the backfield. Go ahead and come out in nickel while we run it at you with our 5-10 240 lbs RB that can break em open for 80+ or come out in a base formation and let us laugh at you as LT burns a LB for 6.

The only, and I mean only, matchup in this game that favors you at all is that you're at home. Not one single part of your team matches up favorably against us.

Seriously, demonstrate to me how you're going to stop us from scoring, because you couldn't stop the Colts in your own house, and we're doing a better job of scoring than they are. By the way, except for you and NE, the Colts haven't played anybody with a winning record either.

[NW Bolt Fan]

I think that's strength of schedule.

[Atlas]

I just wanted to read this again!!
Fun facts for Broncos/Chargers week

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Broncos combined opponents’ record 41-40<o:p></o:p>
Chargers combined opponents’ record 34-47 (this is the fourth easiest schedule in the NFL behind Atlanta with 32-49, and Dallas and Chicago who are tied at 33-48)<o:p></o:p>
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Broncos’ defeated-opponents combined wins 28 (this is the 3rd highest in the NFL behind Indianapolis with 40, and Chicago with 30)<o:p></o:p>
Chargers defeated-opponents combined wins 22 (this ties with NE and KC, coincidentally both NE and KC lost to Denver)<o:p></o:p>
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Only two teams with winning records as of this week have faced SD, Kansas City and Baltimore. Both of those teams beat the Chargers. Both of those teams lost to the Broncos.<o:p></o:p>
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Against Baltimore (the only top 10 scoring defense SD has faced) SD put up only 13 points.<o:p></o:p>
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SanDiego has played a soft schedule and broken against any true competition they have faced. Their offensive juggernaut has struggled against the only good defense they have faced. Advantage goes to the Broncos, prediction 24-17 Broncos.

[Electric Chair]

Listen I been hearing that crap for long time for Chef fans, and look what it got them. You're going to have to better then that.

It's a statement of fact.

Your comment on the other hand was an opinion- your opinion- without a single statistical fact to back it up. So you are not impressed with the Chargers Offense. Why? What part of their game doesn't impress you? Could it be the #3 rated passer in the NFL, or maybe Tomlinson and his 15 TD's in his last five games? Maybe it's the fact that they lead the NFL in TOP that turns you off?

I'm curious how many games you have watched the Chargers play this year?

[BigBoltIke]

I'm pretty sure strength of victory means the combined records of teams that you have beat.

Can't be, I think that one is strength of schedule.

[theAPAOps5]

I agree about not being impressed with the #1 scoring offense in the NFL, a unit that is averaging 33 points a game through nine...

By comparison the Broncos have yet to even score 33 in a single game.

I hope that your squad doesn't think much of them either...

Oh don't worry they won't when they put a loss in your column.

As for that impressive offense, its overrated. When you don't make the playoffs you get an easier schedule, another strive for parity. So in reality you are like a 5th grader who is in the 3rd grade. You damn well better be racking it up.

[BroncoInSkinland]

I'm pretty sure strength of victory means the combined records of teams that you have beat.

Not positive, but I think Strength of victory is how many points you won by (your total season points - your opponents total season points).

Combined records of teams is strength of schedule.

[BroncoInSkinland]

I love google:

Definition: A part of the NFL's tiebreaking proceedure, strength of victory is figured by calculating the combined winning percentage of the opponents a team has beaten.
Examples: If two teams end with identical records, combine the records of the opponents in each of the team's wins and calculate the total winning percentage. The team whose opponents have the higher winning percentage wins the tiebreaker.

http://football.about.com/cs/football101/g/gl_strengthofvi.htm
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[BigBoltIke]

Oh don't worry they won't when they put a loss in your column.

As for that impressive offense, its overrated. When you don't make the playoffs you get an easier schedule, another strive for parity. So in reality you are like a 5th grader who is in the 3rd grade. You damn well better be racking it up.


Our schedule is exactly two games different from yours. Two. You went .500 against the two different teams you played, so far we're 1-0.

If you want to see a hard schedule, look at what we went up against last year.

[WoodMan]

Ok, how effective was Bailey against the Colts, an offense the Chargers are very similar to? Did he pick Manning? Did Darrent get ABUSED? That's the kind of balanced, multiple formation offense the Chargers are bringing to the table this Sunday.

I'm not saying the Bailey isn't the best at what he does, because he is. However, Bailey can only cover one guy at a time, and since we aren't dependent on any one of our targets to move the ball, I don't see Bailey being as much of a factor as he has been against some of your other opponents.

I also don't see another "2005 Brees to Champ" happening that puts you guys back in the game.

Will Bailey get a pick, probably not, because Rivers doesn't force passes and he gets good ball placement.

You talk about redzone performance, have you faced an offense that could come out in a 2 TE 1 WR set and have two of those guys be 6'5 with the second TE 6-2 288?

Let's not forget that not only do you have to cover our receiving targets that present tremendous mismatches for you, but you also have to stop LT.

Between the 20's, if your D is stacking it to take away LT, we'll move him to the slot and put Turner in the backfield. Go ahead and come out in nickel while we run it at you with our 5-10 240 lbs RB that can break em open for 80+ or come out in a base formation and let us laugh at you as LT burns a LB for 6.

The only, and I mean only, matchup in this game that favors you at all is that you're at home. Not one single part of your team matches up favorably against us.

Seriously, demonstrate to me how you're going to stop us from scoring, because you couldn't stop the Colts in your own house, and we're doing a better job of scoring than they are. By the way, except for you and NE, the Colts haven't played anybody with a winning record either.

You should apply for a job with ESPN

[elsid13]

It's a statement of fact.

Your comment on the other hand was an opinion- your opinion- without a single statistical fact to back it up. So you are not impressed with the Chargers Offense. Why? What part of their game doesn't impress you? Could it be the #3 rated passer in the NFL, or maybe Tomlinson and his 15 TD's in his last five games? Maybe it's the fact that they lead the NFL in TOP that turns you off?

I'm curious how many games you have watched the Chargers play this year?

Look talk to Bob because I could less about SD rankings and stats. And I have watch 5 SD games this year, against Oakland, KC, Baltimore, Cincy and Titans

And putting up a lot of points against the Titans and 49ers (both "great" teams) shews SD's rankings. So color me unimpressed with your rankings.

[theAPAOps5]

Can't be, I think that one is strength of schedule.

Strength of victory is the quality of the opponents you have beaten. Thus our strength of victory is way higher than yours as we have wins against teams with winning records while SD has only beaten teams with .500 records or better. Of course this number will change a lot as the season goes on.

[BroncoInSkinland]

That would be .444 for the Broncos 28-35 opp. record,
and .349 for the Chargers 22-41 opp. record.

[BigBoltIke]

I love google:

Definition: A part of the NFL's tiebreaking proceedure, strength of victory is figured by calculating the combined winning percentage of the opponents a team has beaten.
Examples: If two teams end with identical records, combine the records of the opponents in each of the team's wins and calculate the total winning percentage. The team whose opponents have the higher winning percentage wins the tiebreaker.

http://football.about.com/cs/football101/g/gl_strengthofvi.htm
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I see. That would eliminate 9 and 4 wins from you guys and 5 and 7 from us.

At this point I think that favors you.

[BigBoltIke]

You should apply for a job with ESPN

They don't have SD offices...

[theAPAOps5]

Our schedule is exactly two games different from yours. Two. You went .500 against the two different teams you played, so far we're 1-0.

If you want to see a hard schedule, look at what we went up against last year.

Yeah we played NE and Indy and you guys play Tennessee and Buffalo. Thus your 5th grade talent in the 3rd grade. What point was I wrong. Thank you come again.... :welcome:

Last year was last year over and done with.

[BroncoInSkinland]

I am acctually not trying to take anything away from the Chargers. I think you guys have a top 10 team easy and fully expect to see you in the playoffs (hopefully with you as a wildcard not us). But to this point you have had a VERY easy schedule, the 4th easiest to be exact. The Broncos aren't among the hardest schedules out there, but we would be if we hadn't played Jokeland twice.

[BigBoltIke]

Yeah we played NE and Indy and you guys play Tennessee and Buffalo. Thus your 5th grade talent in the 3rd grade. What point was I wrong. Thank you come again.... :welcome:

Last year was last year over and done with.

You'll have to forgive me, but saying that our schedule is significantly different from yours when there's only a two game difference is rediculous. Especially when you take into account that you got to play the Colts at your place and couldn't get it done when your whole defense is designed to beat the Colts in the playoffs.

[BigBoltIke]

I am acctually not trying to take anything away from the Chargers. I think you guys have a top 10 team easy and fully expect to see you in the playoffs (hopefully with you as a wildcard not us). But to this point you have had a VERY easy schedule, the 4th easiest to be exact. The Broncos aren't among the hardest schedules out there, but we would be if we hadn't played Jokeland twice.

I agree that our schedule has been pretty easy, but people have to understand that our loss to Baltimore wouldn't happen at this point because our coach has finally learned to stay away from running the football all damn day.

KC was just a disaster for us to, with that rediculous first quarter.

I would really like to understand what matchups Denver has that are going to allow them to win the game beside HFA.

[BroncoInSkinland]

You'll have to forgive me, but saying that our schedule is significantly different from yours when there's only a two game difference is rediculous. Especially when you take into account that you got to play the Colts at your place and couldn't get it done when your whole defense is designed to beat the Colts in the playoffs.

I wouldn't say ridiculous when you consider the teams in question are New England and Indianapolis for us and Tennesse and San Fransisco for you.

NE+IND = 15-3 record

TEN+SF = 6-9 record

Bit of a difference you know?

[theAPAOps5]

I wouldn't say ridiculous when you consider the teams in question are New England and Indianapolis for us and Tennesse and San Fransisco for you.

NE+IND = 15-3 record

TEN+SF = 6-9 record

Bit of a difference you know?

He can't see common sense no use trying to explain. I am not saying they have a drastically different schedule but it is 2 notches below. He just can't understand that.

[BroncoInSkinland]

I agree that our schedule has been pretty easy, but people have to understand that our loss to Baltimore wouldn't happen at this point because our coach has finally learned to stay away from running the football all damn day.

KC was just a disaster for us to, with that rediculous first quarter.

I would really like to understand what matchups Denver has that are going to allow them to win the game beside HFA.

Fair enough, do you really think StLouis beat us though? Fluke game if I ever saw one. And the Indy game had how many lead changes? Against an undefeated team we stayed in the game, and given a small bounce in our favor could have won it. I don't like making excuses for my team though, we are both 7-2 thats good enough for me, should be a fun Sunday.

[theAPAOps5]

Fair enough, do you really think StLouis beat us though? Fluke game if I ever saw one. And the Indy game had how many lead changes? Against an undefeated team we stayed in the game, and given a small bounce in our favor could have won it. I don't like making excuses for my team though, we are both 7-2 thats good enough for me, should be a fun Sunday.

Well said! I agree completely. When you lose and by very close margins it is so easy to go back and say well we doing this or doing that and it should have turned out differently. Problem is it didn't and there was a loss. Both the Chargers and Broncos losses are like that. These teams are pretty evenly matched that much is clear. It really comes down to who takes care of business. If we split it bodes bad for Denver fans. SD has an awesome opportunity to run the table after this weekend. Denver still has to go to SD and KC. That is not something that bodes well.

[Atlas]

I love google:

Definition: A part of the NFL's tiebreaking proceedure, strength of victory is figured by calculating the combined winning percentage of the opponents a team has beaten.
Examples: If two teams end with identical records, combine the records of the opponents in each of the team's wins and calculate the total winning percentage. The team whose opponents have the higher winning percentage wins the tiebreaker.

http://football.about.com/cs/football101/g/gl_strengthofvi.htm
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I love google too but usually all my searches end up with naked pics of kyla cole!!!

[theAPAOps5]

I love google too but usually all my searches end up with naked pics of kyla cole!!!

So! she could very well be the answer to everything. You are about to go to war and google whether you should, she pops up nekkid and BOOM you forget what you were just about to do.

[OrangeShadow]

They don't have SD offices...

try telling that to steak and golic

[BroncoInSkinland]

I would like to welcome all you charger posters though. Its fun goofing with yall instead of the moronic Chef trolls with their "mines bigger than yours" comparisons. We have to put up with their tripe the week before Thanksgiving, so this interaction with the Charger's fans is relief. :approve:

Quoted from another thread for the truth. I will at least give the Chargers fans props for a civilized discussion. I guess unlike the Chefs their team has a future, so they don't need to live vicariously through the Bronco's.

[BigBoltIke]

I wouldn't say ridiculous when you consider the teams in question are New England and Indianapolis for us and Tennesse and San Fransisco for you.

NE+IND = 15-3 record

TEN+SF = 6-9 record

Bit of a difference you know?


Oh there's a tremendous difference betweent the quality of those two pairs of opponents. However, the other 14 games are identical. If the season comes down to 1 game, then strength of schedule might be a factor. At the same time last year you greased BAL and JAX while we had to take on IND and PIT. It's the same thing every year, which is what makes it such an interesting game. I just don't want the Chargers to have to go on the road throughout the playoffs.

Right now the division Champion playoff teams are going to be

Bal
NE or NYJ
IND
SD or DEN

If the Chargers have to go to the Eastern time zone three weeks in a row that's going to be a rough path to the superbowl.

[theAPAOps5]

Oh there's a tremendous difference betweent the quality of those two pairs of opponents. However, the other 14 games are identical. If the season comes down to 1 game, then strength of schedule might be a factor. At the same time last year you greased BAL and JAX while we had to take on IND and PIT. It's the same thing every year, which is what makes it such an interesting game. I just don't want the Chargers to have to go on the road throughout the playoffs.

Right now the division Champion playoff teams are going to be

Bal
NE or NYJ
IND
SD or DEN

If the Chargers have to go to the Eastern time zone three weeks in a row that's going to be a rough path to the superbowl.

Getting that one home game makes a whole lot of difference. It also bodes well for teams who have schedules set up for nice long runs. SD has that aligning nicely. Broncos not so much. Losing that game to ST. Louis could very well come back to bite us in the end. Especially if we split with SD and KC.

[BigBoltIke]

We definitely want that Baltimore game back.

[Atlas]

Remember when seeing Bolt fan around here was like a rumor that could never be proven.

It was like " Hey, I think Brees lightning was on here this morning."

Now they are all over the place!! It's amazing what a couple wins will do for a fan bases' psyche!!! Well, it's nice all you Chugger fans stopped by and sorry we won't hear from you after Sunday nights game. So Long. I'll be cheering for you in that wild card game you guys will be in.

[400HZ]

Quoted from another thread for the truth. I will at least give the Chargers fans props for a civilized discussion. I guess unlike the Chefs their team has a future, so they don't need to live vicariously through the Bronco's.

I think the Charger and Bronco rivalry is going to become one of the NFL's best over the next few years.

Denver is an elite team this year, and they are playing with a crappy QB. Unfortunately for us, they have a possible stud waiting in the wings. I don't see any good reason for them to fall off at all in the near future, unless Cutler does a Ryan Leaf.

San Diego is a younger, up and coming team. The thing that makes me happiest when I look at our roster is how young most of our key players are, and that most of them are signed long term. We should get better and better every year.

Many of the other classic NFL rivalries have really fallen off lately, but our's is just heating up. No other division has two teams of our caliber.

[Florida_Bronco]

Remember when seeing Bolt fan around here was like a rumor that could never be proven.

It was like " Hey, I think Brees lightning was on here this morning."

Now they are all over the place!! It's amazing what a couple wins will do for a fan bases' psyche!!! Well, it's nice all you Chugger fans stopped by and sorry we won't hear from you after Sunday nights game. So Long. I'll be cheering for you in that wild card game you guys will be in.

Quoted for truth. :thumbsup:

[Florida_Bronco]

I think the Charger and Bronco rivalry is going to become one of the NFL's best over the next few years.

Denver is an elite team this year, and they are playing with a crappy QB. Unfortunately for us, they have a possible stud waiting in the wings. I don't see any good reason for them to fall off at all in the near future, unless Cutler does a Ryan Leaf.

San Diego is a younger, up and coming team. The thing that makes me happiest when I look at our roster is how young most of our key players are, and that most of them are signed long term. We should get better and better every year.

Many of the other classic NFL rivalries have really fallen off lately, but our's is just heating up. No other division has two teams of our caliber.

That's true. The Chiefs and Raiders don't have much future to look forward too.

[BigBoltIke]

Remember when seeing Bolt fan around here was like a rumor that could never be proven.

It was like " Hey, I think Brees lightning was on here this morning."

Now they are all over the place!! It's amazing what a couple wins will do for a fan bases' psyche!!! Well, it's nice all you Chugger fans stopped by and sorry we won't hear from you after Sunday nights game. So Long. I'll be cheering for you in that wild card game you guys will be in.


Even if the Bolts lose, we get another shot at you in December.

[theAPAOps5]

Last week was so boring. No chance to trash talk b/c the Faiders kept agreeing, albeit I could understand. Its been great and its only Wednsday.

[Atlas]

I think the Charger and Bronco rivalry is going to become one of the NFL's best over the next few years.

.

You can wish.

[Merlin]

Even if the Bolts lose, we get another shot at you in December.
We beat you last yr in December with second stringers, and we'll do it again this yr.

[Xenos]

I love google too but usually all my searches end up with naked pics of kyla cole!!!

More kyal cole avs dammit! No more Clinton!

[Xenos]

We beat you last yr in December with second stringers, and we'll do it again this yr.

I think it'll be more of a tight struggle like last september than december when there was really nothing left to play for. Rivers is different. Of course, there's always the possibility that he'll play well against other teams and he doesn't against you guys. If that happens then we'll call it the Brady factor.

[BigBoltIke]

We beat you last yr in December with second stringers, and we'll do it again this yr.

Yes, you took out a disheartened team after tearing apart the starting QB's shoulder. Congratulations.

[elsid13]

Last week was so boring. No chance to trash talk b/c the Faiders kept agreeing, albeit I could understand. Its been great and its only Wednsday.

Does means that not only we have Bobo, but we're getting is Califorinia cousin. Great. :oyvey:

[Electric Chair]

Remember when seeing Bolt fan around here was like a rumor that could never be proven.

It was like " Hey, I think Brees lightning was on here this morning."

Now they are all over the place!! It's amazing what a couple wins will do for a fan bases' psyche!!! Well, it's nice all you Chugger fans stopped by and sorry we won't hear from you after Sunday nights game. So Long. I'll be cheering for you in that wild card game you guys will be in.

Original smack. Classic.

How many Charger Boards do you post on?

Would it help if we had someone named "Californian" posting here all the time?

[Sassy]

We beat you last yr in December with second stringers, and we'll do it again this yr.

Yep! ;D

[Florida_Bronco]

Original smack. Classic.

How many Charger Boards do you post on?

Would it help if we had someone named "Californian" posting here all the time?

It's definetly true, and you are a perfect example. You have 8 posts here in 2 years.