Jay Cutler is better than Jake Plummer in the following areas

[freak6]

Here we can vote on what Jay Cutler is better at, and get a more objective look at who should be starting at QB.

Cutler is going to have to have his cherry popped sometime, and you all are acting like overprotective parents afraid he is going to make mistakes. Time to let the baby out of the nest, let him make some mistakes, it can't be worse than Joke Blunder.

Vote in each category, <font size=8>multiple votes <font size=2>are allowed.

<b>BE OBJECTIVE!!!


VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!!!!!!

[Gcver2ver3]

Here we can vote on what Jay Cutler is better at, and get a more objective look at who should be starting at QB.

Cutler is going to have to have his cherry popped sometime, and you all are acting like overprotective parents afraid he is going to make mistakes. Time to let the baby out of the nest, let him make some mistakes, it can't be worse than Joke Blunder.

VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!!!!!!

i don't see a poll but i'll give cutler the edge in arm strength....and i'll give plummer the edge in throwing picks...

i'll return soon to give more feedback

[Bronx33]

Jay holds a clipboard for one year pretty sweet..

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

No one on this board knows if Cutler can do anything better than Plummer. Cutler is a complete unknown as an NFL player. We all know Jake's issues, but we have no concrete evidence that Jay is better in any respect. We can only hope.

[BroncoFanCam]

i don't see a poll but i'll give cutler the edge in arm strength....and i'll give plummer the edge in throwing picks...

i'll return soon to give more feedbackROFL! ROFL! ROFL!

Cutler: Mental capacity (he went to an actual school), and arm strength.
Plummer: Scrambling, and well... scrambling.

[freak6]

Let's get an honest opinion, analyze the Quarterbacks <font size=10> OBJECTIVELY

[freak6]

VOTE VOTE VOTE

Multiple votes are allowed!!!

[BroncoFanCam]

I homered the crap out of it...

Jay across teh board... ^5

[Gcver2ver3]

VOTE VOTE VOTE

Multiple votes are allowed!!!

i give you credit...that's a pretty good poll

[Rigs11]

This is a flawed poll. Where is the "I haven't got a ****en clue about Cutler, and Shanny does, and therefore that is why he is sitting on the bench" option?

[BroncoMatt]

I find it hilarious that freak is calling for an objective look at the quarterbacks. I am pretty sure that Mike Shanahan and the rest of the Denver Broncos practicing under the bubble see things with the most objectivity.

[24champ]

Jay holds a clipboard for one year pretty sweet..

I hear he is pretty good playing with this gadget-

http://naganaga.daa.jp/archives/images/ipod_nano.jpg

[Chupacabra]

This is a flawed poll. Where is the "I haven't got a ****en clue about Cutler, and Shanny does, and therefore that is why he is sitting on the bench" option?

seriously this is the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen.

[Gcver2ver3]

I homered the crap out of it...

Jay across teh board... ^5

lol....

i voted for cutler in all but one....reading a defense....i'll give that to jake for now...but sometimes i wonder...

[ClevelandBronco]

Jake Plummer makes better decisions on whom and when to throw the ball.
Jake Plummer is better at reading the defense.
Jay Cutler's inexperience makes Jake Plummer the necessary starter.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Yep - we have hundreds of folk on this board that attend practices, film study, game planning and playbook review every day and can tell us who is better. Hilarious!

[CHANGSTER]

No scrambling ability option? at least give jake a shot at winnin.:-*

[Gcver2ver3]

Yep - we have hundreds of folk on this board that attend practices, film study, game planning and playbook review every day and can tell us who is better. Hilarious!

oh for pete's sake it's a message board man!

you let it all hang out and talk X's and O's here....

no i'm not an nfl coach but i slept at a Holiday Inn last night...

good enough?....am i allowed to share my opinion now?

[Sassy]

Jake's team is 7-2.
Jake is the Starter because Shanahan says so.
That's good enough for me.
GO BRONCOS!

[Cito Pelon]

Let's get an honest opinion, analyze the Quarterbacks <font size=10> OBJECTIVELY

Objectively? It's SUBJECTIVE, ya dope. Jay might be able to throw more accurately under the lights, he might be able to deliver a better deep ball, he might be able to read a D better. You don't know that, nobody does, therefore it is SUBJECTIVE. That's why the team is sticking with the vet. You can howl, moan, thrash and sweat in your jammies all you want, but the team is sticking with the vet.

[Rigs11]

I subjectively object to this post.

[dnvrbrncos]

I can select none of those options. I want Jay because he offers hope. Hope for something better and hope for something to get excited about. It would be nice to have something to get excited about when our QB takes the field.

[freak6]

Multiple votes are neccessary.

I love how the Joke Blunder homers hate the poll. It's as if the poll points out the obvious and crushes thier defense...lmao

^5

[Dedhed]

This is a flawed poll. Where is the "I haven't got a ****en clue about Cutler, and Shanny does, and therefore that is why he is sitting on the bench" option?Didn't you see it? It was sandwiched between the "I can't voice an opinion of my own in a capacity that makes any sense, nor can I offer a valid agrgument, therefore I defer to the fact that b/c Plummer is starting, Jay must suck" and the "Anyone who doesn't love Jake isn't a true Bronco fan" options.

[Rascal]

This is a flawed poll. Where is the "I haven't got a ****en clue about Cutler, and Shanny does, and therefore that is why he is sitting on the bench" option?

Bingo.

But my question is were is the option for freak is a schmo.

I voted for Plummer across the board to help make up for all the Cutler Jock strap polishers.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Jay's got a much cuter heinie.

[Willynowei]

Here we can vote on what Jay Cutler is better at, and get a more objective look at who should be starting at QB.

Cutler is going to have to have his cherry popped sometime, and you all are acting like overprotective parents afraid he is going to make mistakes. Time to let the baby out of the nest, let him make some mistakes, it can't be worse than Joke Blunder.

Vote in each category, <font size=8>multiple votes <font size=2>are allowed.

<b>BE OBJECTIVE!!!


VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!!!!!!

I'm contemplating putting you on ignore dude. I don't mind fans speaking their mind, but geez, look, the sky is blue, what else is new? Oh yeah, freak6 is out talking up Cutler like a hot date.

[freak6]

I'm contemplating putting you on ignore dude. I don't mind fans speaking their mind, but geez, look, the sky is blue, what else is new? Oh yeah, freak6 is out talking up Cutler like a hot date.

Put me on ignore. You think I care. pff. Half the Plummer homers already have because they lack the knowledge to debate the topic with me so they quit.

The point of this poll is to point out that glaring deficiencies of Joke Blunder's game that are strengths of Jay Cutler's. If you don't like it, you are probably suffering from the realization of that very fact.

[freak6]

And the funniest part of the poll is that Rascal voted for Plummer in every category including Arm Strength.

bwaa ha haaa.

K N O W L E D G E

[Rascal]

Apparently the village idiot can't read.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1356142&postcount=25

Back to ignore you go dolt.

[freak6]

lmao. So long as we both know the truth, Rascal. You couldn't vote truthfully or it would crush your pathetic support for the 2nd worst QB in the entire NFL.

That's the real reason you voted all for Plummer. You are a coward, and afraid to admit the truth.

lmfao

Check mate bchs.

[ak1971]

lmao. So long as we both know the truth, Rascal. You couldn't vote truthfully or it would crush your pathetic support for the 2nd worst QB in the entire NFL.

That's the real reason you voted all for Plummer. You are a coward, and afraid to admit the truth.

lmfao

Check mate bchs.

freak6 loves little boys....

[Rascal]

freak6 loves little boys....

REP!

[ColoradoDarin]

I only voted for this option "Better deep ball, velocity, and arm strength goes to Jay Cutler"

because everything else is speculation since we have yet to see Cutler in a real game against real defenses.

[Taco John]

And the funniest part of the poll is that Rascal voted for Plummer in every category including Arm Strength.

bwaa ha haaa.

K N O W L E D G E



Did you happen to catch the episode of South Park where Cartman goes 500 years into the future? Did any of that sound familiar to you?

[24champ]

freak6 loves little boys....

LOL

[DivineLegion]

Jay has never seen an NFL Defense so Jake gets the nod at reading Defenses...

Jay has very little expierience in Shanahans system so he will probably have trouble with timing and routs so Jake gets the nod for to whom and when to throw the Ball...

Jay Cutler has better arm strength so he gets a nod there...

Jay Cutler seems to be more accurate but again has little experiance with our WRs on routs and timing...and the play book so you know what I think Jake gets the nod here too.

Basicly what you want us to say is Jay is a physical freak who has little knowledge of our playbook or expieriance with our WRs on routs and timing so he would throw just as many INTS if not more than Jake and not be able to effectivly run our offense til he better learns it like next season or the season after that (think Martys pissed he dident start Philip sooner...I think not the reason Phillip is having such sucsess is he had time to learn and get comfortable in the system and wasent rushed into playing and making mistakes...plus he has the poise and leadership ability to win games something we dont know if Jay has that Jake does!)

[freak6]

freak6 loves little boys....

You guys cannot stand up, face the facts, and admit the truth. Pathetic. But what should I expect?

Taco - anytime you, or anyone else wants to really debate me in evolution or religon, let me know. Yes I watched that southpark, and hopefully religon goes the way of the dinosaur and philosophy takes back it's rightful place in the world, rather that these pathetic myths scribbled in books by sophists to control the masses.

Sheep. Just like the Blunder homers. Led to the slaughterhouse, and all they can say is "BAAA, 7-2, BAAAA"

[DivineLegion]

The Bucs 2-7
The Cards 1-8
The Raiders 2-7
The Titans 2-7

Staring a rookie QB Worthless...

Soon to join the list of teams watching the Playoffs

Cowboys 5-4
Redskins 3-6

[freak6]

The Bucs 2-7
The Cards 1-8
The Raiders 2-7
The Titans 2-7

Staring a rookie QB Worthless...


Which of those teams has the best scoring defense in the NFL?

Which of those teams had a winning record last year?

Which of those teams made the playoffs?

Which of those teams has the #4 rushing offense in the NFL?

Which of those teams played in the AFCCG last season?

But I guess Joke Blunder setting up the Browns and Raiders inside our 20 is part of the plan, to keep the games close right, Shanny is holding back right.

And Jake's terrible, just horrible passes are because of what, lack of chemistry, that is why he is missing WRs by 5+ yards hitting the defenders right in thier chests?

Next.

[Crushaholic]

Which of those teams has the best scoring defense in the NFL?

Which of those teams had a winning record last year?

Which of those teams made the playoffs?

Which of those teams has the #4 rushing offense in the NFL?

Which of those teams played in the AFCCG last season?

All of those things are true. Therefore, you don't change what's working unless you're in rebuilding mode. We are the Denver Broncos. We don't rebuild-we reload. It's up to the coach to put in the parts when he deems right to do so. Cutler will be in at some point...just not when things are working for the success of the entire team.

[freak6]

Cutler will be in at some point...just not when things are working for the success of the entire team.

As long as we are winning right. But looking at the moves Shanahan made this week kind of blows up your point. I guess you equate making the switch at QB as throwing in the towel and rebuilding. I see it as giving the offense a QB capable of making big plays and scoring points while not scattering the field with ducks thrown right to the defense.

[DivineLegion]

Which of those teams has the best scoring defense in the NFL?

Which of those teams had a winning record last year?

Which of those teams made the playoffs?

Which of those teams has the #4 rushing offense in the NFL?

Which of those teams played in the AFCCG last season?

But I guess Joke Blunder setting up the Browns and Raiders inside our 20 is part of the plan, to keep the games close right, Shanny is holding back right.

And Jake's terrible, just horrible passes are because of what, lack of chemistry, that is why he is missing WRs by 5+ yards hitting the defenders right in thier chests?

Next.

Do you realy think if Coach Shanahan thought Jay would win games for us he would be starting Jake Plummer right now? Jay still dosent know the playbook and has very little expierience in college facing Defenses that even come close to the speed of the NFL...If it took 2 years for Marty to trust Phillip do you realy think Shanahan will start Jay Cutler after 9 weeks. Do you realy think a Rookie QB with minimal practive with our starting Recivers will have the timing to hit the routs effectivly and not throw INTs more frequintly then a QB who has been here for 4 years and knows the system if you think Jay is gonna do better than Jake after less than a year of exposure to Mike Shanahans play book you are dreaming dude there is no way in hell I would trust a rookie over a 4 year vet in this system even if that vet is a blundering fool named Jake Plummer.

You can try and rush the kid all you want but I can assure you this our play book is alot more complicated then the Raiders, Cardinals, Steelers, 49ers, Titans, Redskins, Chargers, Bucs, Giants, and Bills...all teams who have started rookie QBs in thier systems over the last two or three years. Do you realy think Jay Cutler is going to come in here and win games with an underperforming Running game and a banged up O-line. Ben Rothlisberger came in and set a record for rookie wins with a great defense, a good O-line and a running game that won the Steelers games, Ben did hardly anything but mannage. We couldent ask Jay to just mannage we would have to ask him to win with our running game playing the way they have the last two games. Look at the Giants Eli came in at a time when Tiki redefined his game and realy got started putting up #s and Eli rode him to the playoffs shooting the Giants in the foot afew times last season when they asked him to win. JP Losman...come on. Now lets look at Phillip hes had two years to learn has a great running game set up for him a good o-line and decent recivers, his Defense is Good and thier special teams keeps them out of tough situations.

So what would happen if we asked a Rookie QB with less than a year of exposure to our complex paly book, lack of running game, terrible starting Field position, inconsistant Defense, lack of timing with his recivers, a banged up O-line, Recivers who are unfamiliar with our system, and no TEs. Lets just say he probably wouldent be sucsessful.

[Crushaholic]

As long as we are winning right. But looking at the moves Shanahan made this week kind of blows up your point. I guess you equate making the switch at QB as throwing in the towel and rebuilding. I see it as giving the offense a QB capable of making big plays and scoring points while not scattering the field with ducks thrown right to the defense.

Shahanan has tried different options at RB, but that's a position that requires much less of a learning curve than QB. As the guy directing the offense, the quarterback needs to worry about a lot more things than hitting the hole and holding on to the ball...

[BigBoltIke]

Jake Plummer makes better decisions on whom and when to throw the ball

I picked this one cause he throws so many picks...

[BigBoltIke]

The Bucs 2-7
The Cards 1-8
The Raiders 2-7
The Titans 2-7

Staring a rookie QB Worthless...

Soon to join the list of teams watching the Playoffs

Cowboys 5-4
Redskins 3-6

None of the bolded teams are starting rookies, just guys that have never started before or very often in the case of Romo and Walter before the season started. While Walter is abominable, Romo is 2-1

[DivineLegion]

None of the bolded teams are starting rookies, just guys that have never started before or very often in the case of Romo and Walter before the season started. While Walter is abominable, Romo is 2-1

The Redskins are about to start a Rookie and Romo might as well be a rookie...Walter I thought was a rookie though.

[BigBoltIke]

The Redskins are about to start a Rookie and Romo might as well be a rookie...Walter I thought was a rookie though.

Romo has been in the league for three years. The Skins and Raiders drafted their QBs in 2005.

Like Rivers, all of these guys are first year starters, but none of them are rookies. On your list though, only the Cowboys have any kind of shot of being in a playoff game.

[DivineLegion]

Romo has been in the league for three years. The Skins and Raiders drafted their QBs in 2005.

Like Rivers, all of these guys are first year starters, but none of them are rookies. On your list though, only the Cowboys have any kind of shot of being in a playoff game.

That was the point I was trying to make :thumbsup:

[BigBoltIke]

That was the point I was trying to make :thumbsup:

Fair enough. That doesn't make them rookies though.

[DivineLegion]

Fair enough. That doesn't make them rookies though.

First time starters...is that better :thumbsup:

[Willynowei]

Put me on ignore. You think I care. pff. Half the Plummer homers already have because they lack the knowledge to debate the topic with me so they quit.

The point of this poll is to point out that glaring deficiencies of Joke Blunder's game that are strengths of Jay Cutler's. If you don't like it, you are probably suffering from the realization of that very fact.

They ignore you because what you are doing is illogical, or at the very least unwarranted. I've read your points, they hold very little water. The kid hasn't played in enough games, your reading too much into too little.

When the ball is snapped in a high pressure game you don't know how the rookie reacts. Furthermore, we know nothing about the pres-nap responsibilities of Jake and how that translates to Jay. Alignment reads, audibles, options in both the passing and running game can be controlled by the quarterback, and don't say they aren't because thats entirely not true, Jake has more responsibility in the offense than people give him credit for.

If Jay was so much better and Shanahan knew, there would be little hesitation for him to have thrown Jay in as starter for the first game of this season. But Jay is not going to start as long as Denver is winning.

Theres a lot of factors in the equation that you don't account for. Saying Jay has a better release point and arm is a waste of typing. Everyone knows that, they don't need you to constantly remind them of who our backup is. Yes the hype is already there, if you haven't noticed. But thats all its going to be, hype, nothing more.

Meanwhile there is a group of guys actually playing football. Why don't you watch them? Instead of tape on four meaningless games?

[Dedhed]

The Redskins are about to start a Rookie and Romo might as well be a rookie...Walter I thought was a rookie though.

So by your rationale, whenever Cutler starts he'll be considered a "rookie", and starting a rookie is throwing away the season? SO, whenever Jay starts, the Broncos are throwing away the season?

[freak6]

Meanwhile there is a group of guys actually playing football. Why don't you watch them? Instead of tape on four meaningless games?

I watch them more closely than most. And what is killing us? Jake's lack of playmaking ability, his terrible accuracy, his lack of arm strength, his awful timing/hesitation, and his decision making. All of those factor into idiotic turnovers.

Jay Cutler himself has stated that making the calls at the line of scrimmage, especially with the running game is the toughest part of the offense. It's been 4 months now. He can learn the gameplan for the week and be way more effective that Joke Blunder imo.

Grady Little.

Javon Walker has unbeleivably made Jake look way better than he really is.

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[GonzoLays]

Only a fool would wish for Jake Plummer to benched after a 7-2 start. Shanahan knows he plays behind one of the worst pass blocking offensive lines in the league. Jake's ability to get the pass off quickly and avoid the pass rush saves us a lot yards per game. If the offensive line could give the QB a pocket, then you might have a point about starting Cutler. But unless you want to see a rookie QB trying to avoid a pass rush every other pass attempt, while scrambling his brain to remember where everyone should be on the field, you are asking for a lot of trouble. And let's not even get into the fact that Jake has three new WR's and rookie TE he is trying to get timing down with. But that isn't a problem right? Those guys are ALWAYS were they are suppose to be!

Cutler looked great in the preseason. So did Tony Scheffler. Anyone worth a damn looks like Pro-Bowler against base defenses and 2nd string players. So what Cutler looked great picking on an Arena league CB who was 15 yards off the WR. What does that mean for the regular season? Not a damn thing. For all we know, Cutler is getting clowned in practice everyday by Champ and Darrent. I know Rod Smith, a guy who should know more about the situation than any of us, said, "Anybody who wants Cutler to start is a moron." I think that sums it up.

[ScottXray]

I can't say with any real certainty, but I gave Cutler the Arm strength and Accuracy edge based on the Pre-season games I saw. No vote on the others. On everything else there is nothing to base a decision on.

However, it looks like Cutler has a quicker release, and overall better fundamentals than Jake in virtually EVERY characteristic you want in a QB.

He can play in the pocket AND he can scramble. He sets properly ( better than Jake anyway) and can make any throw. While he will make mistakes he makes UP for them by coming back solid.

It looks like we won't see him this year....unless Jake gets hurt.

[Barry Ramey]

Other than velocity, how can anyone possibly really know if Cutler is better at reading defenses and making better decisions? His only experience in the NFL is against scrubs in games that don't count.

[freak6]

Other than velocity, how can anyone possibly really know if Cutler is better at reading defenses and making better decisions? His only experience in the NFL is against scrubs in games that don't count.

Barry and Gonzo - Does anyone make in the NFL make worse reads, decisions, and throws than Joke Blunder?

He does it with the #4 rushing offfense in the league and with the #1 scoring defense. Pathetic.

Jay Cutler would make our offense lethal again, the play action pass would turn back into the weapon it once was with #7 pulling the trigger.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Other than velocity, how can anyone possibly really know if Cutler is better at reading defenses and making better decisions? His only experience in the NFL is against scrubs in games that don't count.
Another "fan" who didn't actually watch the preseason games.

[BMF Bronco]

Another "fan" who didn't actually watch the preseason games.

Because they are a true litmus test right?

[watermock]

http://stillruns.com/kiwanis/gremlin.jpg

[Barry Ramey]

Stated from a "fan" who doesn't even know what he's watching.

Another "fan" who didn't actually watch the preseason games.

[BMF Bronco]

http://stillruns.com/kiwanis/gremlin.jpg

Trying to get rid of your rig mock?

[Barry Ramey]

Obviously your mind is made up, but because you think one guy is poor in an area, doesn't mean the other guy is automatically better in that area? To look at it objectively, there's no real way to know right now. You may think he is, but it's hardly a fact at this point.


Barry and Gonzo - Does anyone make in the NFL make worse reads, decisions, and throws than Joke Blunder?

He does it with the #4 rushing offfense in the league and with the #1 scoring defense. Pathetic.

Jay Cutler would make our offense lethal again, the play action pass would turn back into the weapon it once was with #7 pulling the trigger.

[GonzoLays]

Barry and Gonzo - Does anyone make in the NFL make worse reads, decisions, and throws than Joke Blunder?

He does it with the #4 rushing offfense in the league and with the #1 scoring defense. Pathetic.

Jay Cutler would make our offense lethal again, the play action pass would turn back into the weapon it once was with #7 pulling the trigger.

Are you trying to imply it is ALL Jake Plummer's fault? Our pathetic pass blocking offensive line has nothing to do with our low scoring offense? Or how about a whole new receiving corps? Are they all running the right routes?

[freak6]

Are you trying to imply it is ALL Jake Plummer's fault? Our pathetic pass blocking offensive line has nothing to do with our low scoring offense? Or how about a whole new receiving corps? Are they all running the right routes?

His interceptions are not due to pressure. They are terrible throws. The pass rush is not the reason for his turnovers, not in the least.

There is no "whole new recieving corps". There is his best WR, Javon Walker. Scheffler hardly plays. He was deactivated last week, and Jake still tossed 1,2,3, 4 interceptions.

The reason he is throwing so many interceptions is that he makes poor reads and decisions, has terrible timing due to hesitating with the ball aka playing scared, and you factor in a rag arm as accurate and with about as much range as bird shot and the results are clear.

[GonzoLays]

His interceptions are not due to pressure. They are terrible throws. The pass rush is not the reason for his turnovers, not in the least.

There is no "whole new recieving corps". There is his best WR, Javon Walker. Scheffler hardly plays. He was deactivated last week, and Jake still tossed 1,2,3, 4 interceptions.

The reason he is throwing so many interceptions is that he makes poor reads and decisions, has terrible timing due to hesitating with the ball aka playing scared, and you factor in a rag arm as accurate and with about as much range as bird shot and the results are clear.

You are stating too much opinion in your responses. Plummer has thrown 10 ints this season, an average of little over 1 per game. Carson Palmer has 17 turnovers by himself this year alone. QB's ~sans Manning~ are going to mistakes.

And yes, there is a whole new receiving corps. Scheffler, Kircus, Marshall and Walker were not here last year. Smith is obviously on the downslope of his career and Stephen Alexander is known more for his blocking than receiving skills. Outside of Walker, our receiving corps is quite pathetic. One guy was serving subway sandwiches last year, Marshall was a safety his JR year in college and is a rookie, Tony Scheffler wasn't even a full time football player at little school Western Michigan and Javon Walker didn't even play football last season. Best receiving corps in the league, right!!!???!!! They're awesome!

And what about Shanahan benching our starting RT for a guy who was building houses 4 months ago and was out of football for 2 years. Does that even hint at how pathetic our pass blocking has become? Sure it has. I did a play by play run down of the Patriots game and Plummer didn't even have time to set his feet for 80% of his throws! That's including three freaking step drops! If you put that kind of pressure on ANY QB in the league, they are not going to be successful. Just look at what Pittsburgh did to Manning last season in the playoffs. With pressure on him, he looked terrible. Jake deals with that every single game.

[Bronco Bob]

I watch them more closely than most. And what is killing us?



Yeah, 7-2, we are dead in the water. Never mind that we have a better
record than 30 other teams in the NFL. Hilarious!

[freak6]

And yes, there is a whole new receiving corps. Scheffler, Kircus, Marshall and Walker were not here last year.



Javon is having an All-Pro season. Rod Smith has been with Jake for 4 years now. Marshall has been in on just a few plays, caught a TD. Kircus is new, Scheffler didn't make catches on a few terrible passes from Plummer but did lead the team in grabs vs the Colts. Alexander and Jackson are not new in any way.

Jake's interceptions are on him. The passes have been awful. Thrown into double coverage, forcing balls to Rod Smith time after time. At least 5 of them are on forced balls to Rod. And you are blaming an "all new recieving corps"...lmfao

A few more of them are on terrible passes to Javon.

[PLOWHORSE]

Grady Little is a damn good manager..Quit dragging him into this mess!:wiggle:

[freak6]

Yeah, 7-2, we are dead in the water. Never mind that we have a better
record than 30 other teams in the NFL. Hilarious!

When did I say we are dead in the water. We are alive in well, but our QB is the 2nd worst in the NFL.

[GonzoLays]

Javon is having an All-Pro season. Rod Smith has been with Jake for 4 years now. Marshall has been in on just a few plays, caught a TD. Kircus is new, Scheffler didn't make catches on a few terrible passes from Plummer but did lead the team in grabs vs the Colts. Alexander and Jackson are not new in any way.

Jake's interceptions are on him. The passes have been awful. Thrown into double coverage, forcing balls to Rod Smith time after time. At least 5 of them are on forced balls to Rod. And you are blaming an "all new recieving corps"...lmfao

A few more of them are on terrible passes to Javon.

Let me ask you once again, there is absolutely no blame to go anywhere on the offense execpt Jake Plummer? Not his pathetic pass blocking offensive line or WR's dropping passes and not running the right routes. Perfect example of that is the Pittsburgh game. In the first quarter, Jake throw a perfect lob pass to Walker in the endzone and he drops its. Later on in the quarter, facing a 3rd and 4, Jake spots Rod Smith with one on one coverage down the field against Deshea Townsend, throws a pass that hits him in the hands 25 yards down the field and he drops it and the punt unit comes on. How is that on Jake? There is no blame to go around besides him?

[Chupacabra]

I can select none of those options. I want Jay because he offers hope. Hope for something better and hope for something to get excited about. It would be nice to have something to get excited about when our QB takes the field.

until Jay throws 2 picks in a game.........wait he won't do that, he is head & shoulders above jake and any other QB in the NFL that is struggling!

[freak6]

Let me ask you once again, there is absolutely no blame to go anywhere on the offense execpt Jake Plummer? Not his pathetic pass blocking offensive line or WR's dropping passes and not running the right routes. Perfect example of that is the Pittsburgh game. In the first quarter, Jake throw a perfect lob pass to Walker in the endzone and he drops its. Later on in the quarter, facing a 3rd and 4, Jake spots Rod Smith with one on one coverage down the field against Deshea Townsend, throws a pass that hits him in the hands 25 yards down the field and he drops it and the punt unit comes on. How is that on Jake? There is no blame to go around besides him?

Gonzo - All I am really talking about is his idiotic turnovers. They are all on Jake. But since you want to go at Javon, ok. That perfect pass you talk about to Javon, it was a touch grab to make, as any jump ball is. Javon is a premier WR, and made the TD catch on the next play on a ball thrown outside and short to give him position, rather that over his shoulder, which is a tougher catch to make.

Now since you want to blame Javon, lets talk about how Javon has made Jake look way better than he is. The 83 yard snatch vs NE, that was Javon. Jake threw it up in the perfect spot for an 18 yard gain, the rest was a sick move by Javon and then his speed. The 2 huge catches vs B-more and KC, both times Jake admitted that was all Javon, all he did was throw it up for grabs. The TD catch this week vs Raiders, another sick move by Javon turning a 15 yard gain into a 35 yard td. My numbers might be off, but you get the point.

Now look at Jake's interceptions. Those passes are terrible. Shouldn't have even been thrown, compounded by the fact he is one of, if not the most inaccurate QB in the NFL, that equals interceptions. There isn't even pressure in his face when he throws them, they are just awful throws.

4 interceptions have come on 1st down!!!

Killing drives!!!

[GonzoLays]

Gonzo - All I am really talking about is his idiotic turnovers. They are all on Jake. But since you want to go at Javon, ok. That perfect pass you talk about to Javon, it was a touch grab to make, as any jump ball is. Javon is a premier WR, and made the TD catch on the next play on a ball thrown outside and short to give him position, rather that over his shoulder, which is a tougher catch to make.

Now since you want to blame Javon, lets talk about how Javon has made Jake look way better than he is. The 83 yard snatch vs NE, that was Javon. Jake threw it up in the perfect spot for an 18 yard gain, the rest was a sick move by Javon and then his speed. The 2 huge catches vs B-more and KC, both times Jake admitted that was all Javon, all he did was throw it up for grabs. The TD catch this week vs Raiders, another sick move by Javon turning a 15 yard gain into a 35 yard td. My numbers might be off, but you get the point.

Now look at Jake's interceptions. Those passes are terrible. Shouldn't have even been thrown, compounded by the fact he is one of, if not the most inaccurate QB in the NFL, that equals interceptions. There isn't even pressure in his face when he throws them, they are just awful throws.

4 interceptions have come on 1st down!!!

Killing drives!!!

He has 10 interceptions this year. 10!! You call his interceptions idiotic, but when isn't an interception idiotic?

Tom Brady has 9 interceptions this season. Should be be benched?

Steve McNair has 9 interceptions (in on less game) this season. Should he be benched?

Carson Palmer has 18 turnovers this season. Should he be benched?

Tell me. You keep speaking of his 'idiotic' interceptions but he only has one more than Brady. You have no perspective on this situation.

[Play2win]

This is a flawed poll. Where is the "I haven't got a ****en clue about Cutler, and Shanny does, and therefore that is why he is sitting on the bench" option?

Nice Talking Points...

[freak6]

He has 10 interceptions this year. 10!! You call his interceptions idiotic, but when isn't an interception idiotic?

Gonzo, I know you are smarter than this. Are you doing this just to get me to expose Joke Blunder more. That is the only conclusion I can come to. Why didn't you address how Javon is making Joke look better than he is? Why didn't you address the interceptions?


Tom Brady has 9 interceptions this season. Should be be benched?How many of those were tipped balls in the Colts game? 3

Steve McNair has 9 interceptions (in on less game) this season. Should he be benched? He has done alot to save them this season in games they should have lost. One of his picks was to Champ on a play designed to go at that spot. I'd put that on Billick. Another vs us was on a ball tipped up by Gerard Warren that Foxy grabbed. Since they just signed him to a mega-contract to lead them, which he has done with some come from behind wins, no.

Carson Palmer has 18 turnovers this season. Should he be benched? No because he is thier franchise QB coming off a 400+ yard performance.

Tell me. You keep speaking of his 'idiotic' interceptions but he only has one more than Brady. You have no perspective on this situation

Tom Brady decision making vs Joke Blunder...lmao

If you watch Jake's interceptions they are terrible decisions, terrible reads, and just awful throws.

[GonzoLays]

Gonzo, I know you are smarter than this. Are you doing this just to get me to expose Joke Blunder more. That is the only conclusion I can come to. Why didn't you address how Javon is making Joke look better than he is? Why didn't you address the interceptions?

How many of those were tipped balls in the Colts game? 3

He has done alot to save them this season in games they should have lost. One of his picks was to Champ on a play designed to go at that spot. I'd put that on Billick. Another vs us was on a ball tipped up by Gerard Warren that Foxy grabbed. Since they just signed him to a mega-contract to lead them, which he has done with some come from behind wins, no.

No because he is thier franchise QB coming off a 400+ yard performance.


Tom Brady decision making vs Joke Blunder...lmao

If you watch Jake's interceptions they are terrible decisions, terrible reads, and just awful throws.

An interception is an interception. I never knew there were four categories to throwing the ball to the other team. Maybe you should write the NFL so they can start categorizing interceptions to show that Brady really hasn't thrown one this year. Good luck with that.

You really have no point. I give you statistics showing how Plummer 'idiotic' interceptions match up with his peers, but that doesn't count because its the coaches fault (Brian Billick) or its because Brady throws the ball too high or low so it gets tipped (but that can't be his fault) or Palmer going on pace for 40 turnovers this year doesn't matter because that's okay, HE'S A FRANCHISE QB, SILLY! 40 turnovers don't mean anything, he is CARSON PALMER! Does that make sense? Absolutely not.

You never addressed the issue of the offensive line because the depth of your analysis cannot reach those depths. It's all one guys fault! I give you example of the numerous drops Jake's receivers have had this year but that doesn't count. It's all one guys fault!

All you give is biased opinion backup up by faulty logic to present your case. It like debating with a 12 year old who says, "well, naaaa! I know I'm right. Why? I just do." You really have no solid ground to base your opinion that Jay Cutler would do any better than Jake Plummer QB'ing this Denver Bronco team. Nothing.

[freak6]

You really have no point. I give you statistics showing how Plummer 'idiotic' interceptions match up with his peers...

You never addressed the issue of the offensive line because the depth of your analysis cannot reach those depths...

Plumbers idiotic interceptions are much different then those of his peers. And when Brady throws passes that bounce off his recievers hands that result in picks, that is alot different than Jake throwing balls 5 yards past Javon right to Rolle, Washington (3 times), Chief Scrub Safety, Brown scrub, Chavous, etc...

As far as the O-line goes, why don't you quote me the # of times Jake has been sacked? You are looking to make excuses for him, but Pears has played very well in pass protection. Meadows did alright this week as well. Foster might not play again this season, and Meadows may have been roofing 4 months ago, but Kurt Warner was stocking shelves before he was SB MVP, what diff does it make. Is the pass rush causing Jake to throw interceptions?

NO.

Tell, which one of his picks had anything to do with the pass rush getting in his face?

<b>The ugly truth is that his interceptions are due to poor reads, poor decision making, and or terrible throws from his rag arm. </b>

I think it's funny that I have to address everything you say, but you ignore everything I say, and just tell me I have nothing to stand on. Nothing.

lmao. Have you seen Fontaine's stats?

bwaa ha haaa

4 ints on first down. It must be the pass protection on <b>first down </b>that is to blame right Gonzolays!!!

pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

Worst offense in Shanahan history. Jake's QB rating...70 what. Without Javon it'd be in the 50s.

It's the pass protections fault!!!

You think bringing up proven winners stats to compare situations gives you more credence? <u> None of them has a QB with vastly better skills playing behind them.</u> None of them is running the most conservative playcalling ever in the Shanny era. He doesn't even trust Jake to call a pass play on 3rd and 6-9 on our side of the 50. He's called draw plays twice in that situation.

It is that bad.

Mike does not trust Jake, ergo, Jake's inabilities are handicapping our offense not only in the <u>gameplan going into the game, but in the plays that are then called in the game. </u>

The Broncos are 7-2 despite Jake Plummer, not because of Jake Plummer.

As far as the recievers dropping balls, your NUMEROUS examples of TWO, are nothing in comparison to the terribly thrown passes that Jake has thrown this season, many of which have been picked off giving teams free shots in the redzone.

[Rigs11]

Dear shanny,

Please put cutler in so that freak will STFU.
Sincerely,
A rational broncos fan

[GonzoLays]

Plumbers idiotic interceptions are much different then those of his peers. And when Brady throws passes that bounce off his recievers hands that result in picks, that is alot different than Jake throwing balls 5 yards past Javon right to Rolle, Washington (3 times), Chief Scrub Safety, Brown scrub, Chavous, etc...

As far as the O-line goes, why don't you quote me the # of times Jake has been sacked? You are looking to make excuses for him, but Pears has played very well in pass protection. Meadows did alright this week as well. Foster might not play again this season, and Meadows may have been roofing 4 months ago, but Kurt Warner was stocking shelves before he was SB MVP, what diff does it make. Is the pass rush causing Jake to throw interceptions?

NO.

Tell, which one of his picks had anything to do with the pass rush getting in his face?

<b>The ugly truth is that his interceptions are due to poor reads, poor decision making, and or terrible throws from his rag arm. </b>

I think it's funny that I have to address everything you say, but you ignore everything I say, and just tell me I have nothing to stand on. Nothing.

lmao. Have you seen Fontaine's stats?

bwaa ha haaa

4 ints on first down. It must be the pass protection on <b>first down </b>that is to blame right Gonzolays!!!

pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

Worst offense in Shanahan history. Jake's QB rating...70 what. Without Javon it'd be in the 50s.

It's the pass protections fault!!!

You think bringing up proven winners stats to compare situations gives you more credence? <u> None of them has a QB with vastly better skills playing behind them.</u>

The Broncos are 7-2 despite Jake Plummer, not because of Jake Plummer.

As far as the recievers dropping balls, your NUMEROUS examples of TWO, are nothing in comparison to the terribly thrown passes that Jake has thrown this season, many of which have been picked off giving teams free shots in the redzone.


Once again, you state nothing but "Brady interceptions are DIFFERENT from Plummers." You are saying that Brady's 9 INTS were all tipped? That's stupid.

And to top it off, you want to replace Plummer with a rookie QB!! That's rich. The three lowest rated QB's this year are all rookie QBs or 1st year starters. And two of those guys were drafted before Cutler! Does that matter? Nope, you want "your NFL" now.

Throughout history even the GREATEST QBS of all time have struggled mightly their first rookie season:

Elway 7 tds, 14 ints (Let me guess, they were all tipped? Wait! No, it was his supporting cast that made him suck! Hold on! It was the coach!)
Aikman 9tds, 18 ints
Young 3 tds, 8 ints
Palmer 18tds, 18 ints
P. Manning 28 ints

Oh yea, rookie QB's really turn around the fortune of your squad. There is no denying that. Just give the ball the rook and let him do his thang. Especially Jay Cutler!! Shanahan has the most lethal weapon in football just rotting on the bench. What a fool! If Jay Cutler was the starter from the 1st game, he would have 35 tds and 2 ints this year. Damn that Shanahan! LMAO!

[freak6]

Dear shanny,

Please put cutler in so that freak will STFU.
Sincerely,
A rational broncos fan

lol

Hopefully Jake Plumber kills his alter ego Joke Blunder this week and we can move on with the season.

[Rigs11]

Once again, you state nothing but "Brady interceptions are DIFFERENT from Plummers." You are saying that Brady's 9 INTS were all tipped? That's stupid.

And to top it off, you want to replace Plummer with a rookie QB!! That's rich. The three lowest rated QB's this year are all rookie QBs or 1st year starters. And two of those guys were drafted before Cutler! Does that matter? Nope, you want "your NFL" now.

Throughout history even the GREATEST QBS of all time have struggled mightly their first rookie season:

Elway 7 tds, 14 ints (Let me guess, they were all tipped? Wait! No, it was his supporting cast that made him suck! Hold on! It was the coach!)
Aikman 9tds, 18 ints
Young 3 tds, 8 ints
Palmer 18tds, 18 ints
P. Manning 28 ints

Oh yea, rookie QB's really turn around the fortune of your squad. There is no denying that. Just give the ball the rook and let him do his thang. Especially Jay Cutler!! Shanahan has the most lethal weapon in football just rotting on the bench. What a fool! If Jay Cutler was the starter from the 1st game, he would have 35 tds and 2 ints this year. Damn that Shanahan! LMAO!


yeah if we would have put Cutler in from the start of the season we would be
be 16-0 already. Wait is that possible?With Cutler it is.ROFL!

[freak6]

Once again, you state nothing but "Brady interceptions are DIFFERENT from Plummers." You are saying that Brady's 9 INTS were all tipped? That's stupid.

No, I explained to you that some of his ints were tipped off his recievers hands. Did I say all of them? No. Stop putting words in my mouth. Getting desperate I see.

Look at how many more attempts Brady has than Jake. Compare Brady's ints to Jake's, it's like night and day. It's more than stats Gonzo, it is IN DEPTH ANALYSIS!!! lmfao!!!

OWNED

And to top it off, you want to replace Plummer with a rookie QB!! That's rich. The three lowest rated QB's this year are all rookie QBs or 1st year starters. And Jake is barely ahead of those rookie QBs. What's the difference Gonzo? Do any of those rookies have a top 4 rushing offense? Or even close? OWNED And two of those guys were drafted before Cutler! Who was drafted first, Elway or Marino? Who did better thier rookie year? Does 1, 2 or 10 draft positions matter. Nice basis for your argument!!! lmfao!!!

OWNED AGAIN

Throughout history even the GREATEST QBS of all time have struggled mightly their first rookie season:

Elway 7 tds, 14 ints (Let me guess, they were all tipped? Wait! No, it was his supporting cast that made him suck! Hold on! It was the coach!)
Aikman 9tds, 18 ints
Young 3 tds, 8 ints
Palmer 18tds, 18 ints
P. Manning 28 ints Did those Rookies have the 4th best rushing attack in the NFL? Were those teams coming off 12-4 seasons. For someone who keeps pounding the -

"You can't blame it all on Jake" BS, <b>you</b> seem to <b>put the blame for thier stats squarely on those rookies, <u>doncha think!!!</u></b>

OWNED!!!!!! OWNED!!!! OWNED!!!!


If Jay Cutler was the starter from the 1st game, he would have 35 tds and 2 ints this year. Damn that Shanahan! LMAO!

Here you are losing the argument and turning to putting words in my mouth, and <b>desperately quoting examples of rookie QBs drafted by terrible teams looking for a savior.</b> The situation here is <u>180 degrees different, we don't need a savior,</u> we just need someone not to play possessed by the devil himself, if you believe in such things...lol.

[GonzoLays]

No, I explained to you that some of his ints were on tipped off his recievers hands. Look at how many more attempts Brady has than Jake. Compare Brady's ints to Jake's, it's like night and day. It's more than stats Gonzo, it is IN DEPTH ANALYSIS!!! lmfao!!!

OWNED
And Jake is barely ahead of those rookie QBs. What's the difference Gonzo? Do any of those rookies have a top 4 rushing offense? Or even close? OWNED Who was drafted first, Elway or Marino? Who did better thier rookie year? Does 1, 2 or 10 draft positions matter. Nice basis for your argument!!! lmfao!!!

OWNED AGAIN

Throughout history even the GREATEST QBS of all time have struggled mightly their first rookie season:

Did those Rookies have the 4th best rushing attack in the NFL? Were those teams coming off 12-4 seasons. For someone who keeps pounding the "You can't blame it all on Jake" BS, you seem to put the blame for thier stats squarely on those rookies, doncha think!!!

OWNED!!!!!!



Here you are losing the argument and turning to putting words in my mouth, and desperately quoting examples of rookie QBs drafted by terrible teams looking for a savior. The situation here is 180 degrees different, we don't need a savior, we just need someone not to play possessed by the devil himself, if you believe in such things...lol.

Ahh the special posters, the one's who give themselves 'ownage' after all their points. Feeling a bit insecure about your stance, Freak?

Your only stance so far is, "Plummer sucks! Cutler is God!" Wow!

Plummer is 7-2 and has made every single play to get this team here. He drove the Broncos down the field against the Colts to tie up the game before Manning won it in the last seconds. Could Cutler do that? Who knows, but the odds are stacked against him because he is a rookie. Could Cutler have led the team down the field against the Ravens in the 4th to put up the much needed TD to put the game away? Could Cutler have drove the Broncos down the field against the Chiefs in overtime to win the game? Could Cutler have scored in the 4th quarter against the Raiders to win the game? He is a rookie! Without Plummer and his experience, we might have lost all those games but yet you insist on playing the neophyte. Makes no sense. If we were 4-5 right now, you might have a point but were are 7-2 thanks to Plummer having the moxy to drive down the field when it counts to win us games.

Where is your 4th ranked running game been the past two games? Mike Bell had 30 something yards against the Steelers and Tatum Bell had 39 yards against the Raiders. You think a rookie is going to win with a running game like that? I don't think so.

If you wanted to replace Plummer with a veteran backup, sure, I can see that. We atleast have a chance to continue winning. But if you want to go the TB Bucaneers route and have a 2-5 record with a rookie QB who has one of the best defenses in the league, then you know nothing about football. Nothing.

[BMF Bronco]

who's coming off a 12-4 season?

[maven]

I voted for Jay Cutler!!!

A vote for Jake is a vote for terrorism!

[BMF Bronco]

I voted for Jay Cutler!!!

A vote for Jake is a vote for terrorism!

didn't you get banned?

[Northman]

who's coming off a 12-4 season?



Jake Plummer. Im not sure who the guy is playing for this team right now though. The guy last year had 3,336 yds passing, 18 Tds, 7 Ints, and a Passer rating of 90.2


The fraud that is in his place this year has passed for 1,595 yds, 10 Tds, 10 Ints, and a passer rating of 71.6. When that guy makes it back wake me up.

[mosca]

All you give is biased opinion backup up by faulty logic to present your case. It like debating with a 12 year old who says, "well, naaaa! I know I'm right. Why? I just do." You really have no solid ground to base your opinion that Jay Cutler would do any better than Jake Plummer QB'ing this Denver Bronco team. Nothing.
What... you mean it's not common knowledge that however good/bad Plummer is playing this year, that Cutler can automatically play better? It's a no-brainer that shouldn't be questioned! He proved it in preseason, didn't he?

[maven]

didn't you get banned?

What do you think?

Hilarious!

[TailgateNut]

This is a flawed poll. Where is the "I haven't got a ****en clue about Cutler, and Shanny does, and therefore that is why he is sitting on the bench" option?


Cha-Ching! ....we must remember that the only reason these monday morning analysts didn't get Shanahans' job, is because of their commitment to their prior employer!:wiggle:

[TailgateNut]

Jake Plummer makes better decisions on whom and when to throw the ball.
Jake Plummer is better at reading the defense.
Jay Cutler's inexperience makes Jake Plummer the necessary starter.


This may be the only time I've ever agreed with you!

[GonzoLays]

What... you mean it's not common knowledge that however good/bad Plummer is playing this year, that Cutler can automatically play better? It's a no-brainer that shouldn't be questioned! He proved it in preseason, didn't he?


Exactly! :thumbsup:

And you know what kills me? They state it like its a fact that Jay would automatically do better than Jake. Buffoonery! Forget that 99% of rookie QB's struggle terribly in this league, JAY IS DIFFERENT! OMFG!()#@!

[Kaylore]

Dear shanny,

Please put cutler in so that freak will STFU.
Sincerely,
A rational broncos fan

:~ohyah!: That's pretty funny. He's one of those "I'm in your face about all my beliefs" people.

[Bronx33]

http://stillruns.com/kiwanis/gremlin.jpg

I had a pal in high school cram a 360 in one of these for shop class (i helped) and it was fast.

[Bronx33]

freak6 do you just like to argue? is there a throne at the top of a hill somewhere one gets to sit in when hes beatin everybody down that dares oppose or question him or his thoughts. The best part about being a fan is respecting the other fans dude JMO.

[BMF Bronco]

What do you think?

Hilarious!

unfortunately for not long enough

[Bob's your Information Minister]

He drove the Broncos down the field against the Colts to tie up the game before Manning won it in the last seconds.

Are you serious? Plummer did NOTHING on that drive. It was all Mike Bell.

[Sassy]

I like this post!
(from nfl forums)

Originally Posted by Abarine (he's not a Bronco fan.)
It's better to sit the kid a year, get him some experience in the film room and at practice, and play him next year (a la Byron Leftwich, Carson Palmer, Steve McNair, and the other guys I can't think of). Putting him in now puts a ton of pressure on him to preserve a season; that's really unfair to the kid. If he drops a game and you guys fall behind the Chargers, and then somehow miss the playoffs, you'll want Cutler's head.

Throwing him in would be like giving a Lamborghini to a 16-year old kid who just got his license.

[Florida_Bronco]

freak6 do you just like to argue? is there a throne at the top of a hill somewhere one gets to sit in when hes beatin everybody down that dares oppose or question him or his thoughts. The best part about being a fan is respecting the other fans dude JMO.

Pretty much...Freak seems to be on a mission to destroy this board or something, because he turns everything into a damn argument.

[Cito Pelon]

When did I say we are dead in the water. We are alive in well, but our QB is the 2nd worst in the NFL.

One aspect of the games played so far is the number of O drives started inside the 5 yard line. There has been a lot of those. Many on the road. The O with Jake has done an excellent job on most of those. That's confidence in the huddle.

If I remember right, quite a few of those drives starting inside the 5 were in consecutive possessions, or separated by only one possession with good starting position. What you don't want to understand is the D and ST's aren't pointing fingers at the O for not doing a good job - they've seen Jake and the O dig themselves out of the hole the D and ST's have put them in many times.

[freak6]

Plummer is 7-2 and has made every single play to get this team here.
HFing mother of mary crapped in my drawers batman!!! You just topped Smalltowngirl for stupidest thing I have ever read on the Mane!!! The defense has made the plays. Javon Walker has made the plays. But according to Gonzolays, Jake Plummer has made every single play to get us to 7-2.

The fact our defense was giving up 8 ppg through 7 games...according to Gonzolays
Plummer is 7-2 and has made every single play to get this team here.

Man, must be tough to score more than 8 ppg!!! Somehow, Jake is QBing Shanahan to his worst offense in history. <b>All he is asked to do is manage the game, and he is failing miserably at that. </b>His 4 interceptions this week, yeah, some great plays he made. He handed them thier only touchdown.

4 first down interceptions this season. He is a drive killer. The guy has handed touchdowns to the Browns, Raiders, and Colts inside our 20. Let's read some more gems.
He drove the Broncos down the field against the Colts to tie up the game before Manning won it in the last seconds. I can't believe this, Bob is correcting you??? JFC!!!

1-10-DEN20 (11:37) M.Bell right end to DEN 24 for 4 yards (D.Freeney, M.Jackson).
2-6-DEN24 (10:58) J.Plummer pass short right to J.Walker pushed ob at DEN 33 for 9 yards (N.Harper).
1-10-DEN33 (10:30) M.Bell up the middle to DEN 43 for 10 yards (C.June, M.Jackson).
1-10-DEN43 (9:48) M.Bell up the middle to IND 38 for 19 yards (A.Bethea, M.Jackson).
1-10-IND38 (9:05) T.Bell left end to IND 43 for -5 yards (D.Freeney).
2-15-IND43 (8:22) M.Bell up the middle to IND 29 for 14 yards (A.Bethea; M.Jackson).
3-1-IND29 (7:42) C.Sapp up the middle to IND 1 for 28 yards (Da.Reid).
1-1-IND1 (6:57) M.Bell up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Denver Broncos at 03:35
1-10-DEN20 (3:35) M.Bell right guard pushed ob at IND 32 for 48 yards (A.Bethea).
1-10-IND32 (3:24) T.Bell up the middle to IND 32 for no gain (G.Brackett).
2-10-IND32 (2:44) M.Bell up the middle to IND 31 for 1 yard (R.Brock).
3-9-IND31 (2:00) <b>J.Plummer pass incomplete deep right to R.Smith.</b>
4-9-IND31 (1:54) J.Elam 49 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-M.Leach, Holder-J.Plummer


Could Cutler do that? Who knows, but the odds are stacked against him because he is a rookie. What odds are those? <u>I have seen Jake's lack of arm strength, accuracy, timing, and ability to make good decisions with the ball kill more drives than he has kept alive. </u>Jay Cutler turns many of those blown throws into completions and touchdowns. Not ducks easily intercepted.

You should reread that <u>underlined</u> part again.

I just love how you completely ignored the ass tearing I just gave you on my last post! lmfao. Comparing Brady to Plummer...bwaaa ha ha haaaa.

<b>Comparing rookie QBs' seasons </b>drafted by some of the worst teams in NFL history to our <u>11 year veteran</u> running a <b>12-4 offense with the #4 running game</b> in the NFL.

WOOO!!! You are fkn hilarious Gonzolays.

Could Cutler have led the team down the field against the Ravens in the 4th to put up the much needed TD to put the game away? Yeah.
Could Cutler have drove the Broncos down the field against the Chiefs in overtime to win the game? You mean could Cutler have thrown a jump ball to Javon 30 yards down field? Yeah, and given two throws to warm up, so could I. Jake admitted all he did was throw up a jump ball, and he admitted he did the same on the huge drive vs the Ravens.


Could Cutler have scored in the 4th quarter against the Raiders to win the game? Could Cutler have thrown 4 interceptions and set up the Raiders only touchdown? Without Plummer and his experience, we might have lost all those games but yet you insist on playing the neophyte. Makes no sense. If we were 4-5 right now, you might have a point but were are 7-2 thanks to Plummer having the moxy to drive down the field when it counts to win us games.

The ridiculous amount of redzone turnovers we forced up until the Colts game is the reason Jake was able to do that, no way was it "Jake's moxy"!!! <B>His interceptions kept those games close!!!!</b> The offense is so dumbed down, we run on 3rd and 8 and 9 because Shanahan has zero faith on Jake dropping back and throwing against a dime defense!!! Pathetic!!!

You think a rookie is going to win with a running game like that? I don't think so. That is your OPINION, but since Jake is so bad I disagree. Thankfully the Steelers set us up with so many fumbles, Jake and Shanahan did a good job taking advantage of them. But Cutler could have done the same.

But if you want to go the TB Bucaneers route and have a 2-5 record with a rookie QB who has one of the best defenses in the league, then you know nothing about football. Nothing.

In case you haven't noticed, <b>Jake is playing just like a rookie</b>. In case you missed it, we clearly drafted the best QB in the 06 draft. There is every reason to think that Jay Cutler would play way better than his fellow classmates do to the fact he has a superior running game, superior offensive line, superior HC, gameplan, and recievers. The Broncos are vastly superior to Tampa Bay in every position but at DE, and our ends are much better than last seasons.

<font size=4>Gonzo, I know you know football, I can only conclude that you are actually purposely teeing up these BS excuses and softball stats to help me prove my point. Hilarious and ingenious!!! Thanks!!!

[freak6]

Pretty much...Freak seems to be on a mission to destroy this board or something, because he turns everything into a damn argument.

Actually, I have created the most in-depth and heated debate on this board. If you don't like it, bump the NPN thread. It is in-depth expert analysis that brings me to this message board. Look at mediator and me debating Darrent Williams, it was heated, back and forth, but who else analyzes and breaks down the plays more than he and I?

More importantly, it was respectful. Just like Gonzo and I are being. Some people have no class and start posting bs about my gf, my alleged homosexual relationship with our first round pick, and other pathetic crap that makes it ugly.

[Florida_Bronco]

Actually, I have created the most in-depth and heated debate on this board. If you don't like it, bump the NPN thread. It is in-depth expert analysis that brings me to this message board. Look at mediator and me debating Darrent Williams, it was heated, back and forth, but who else analyzes and breaks down the plays more than he and I?

More importantly, it was respectful. Just like Gonzo and I are being. Some people have no class and start posting bs about my gf, my alleged homosexual relationship with our first round pick, and other pathetic crap that makes it ugly.

No one is questioning your smarts, I've agreed with you or more than a few points, but your problem is your delievery. You have a real knack for coming across as some keyboard bad-ass who tries to intimidate people who disagree with you. You're irrational. You take an extreme stance and refuse to listen to any reason and lump everyone who disagrees with you into a single group. Hell man, I feel this way even when I agree with you.

Class? Weren't you just recently banned for a day because of your rantings? I've seen you show a real lack of class at times, but then at other times I've seen you act like a really good guy.

Anyways, my point here isn't to start a fight, I'm just saying that you really need to throttle back some and you'll get taken alot more seriously. I know you are a die hard fan and extremely passionate, but you're alienating yourself from alot of people here and it's really not neccesary.

[freak6]

I'm just saying that you really need to throttle back some and you'll get taken alot more seriously.
I got banned for posting pictures of coffins of those that made the ultimate sacrafice, and then going off on Angryllama who then wished that I got shot while in Iraq. All class around here, I tell ya. The 2006 election was a life or death vote for many of my brothers.

Throttle back...bwa ha haaaa
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Never.

[Florida_Bronco]

I got banned for posting pictures of coffins of those that made the ultimate sacrafice, and then going off on Angryllama who then wished that I got shot while in Iraq. All class around here, I tell ya. The 2006 election was a life or death vote for many of my brothers.

Throttle back...bwa ha haaaa
<img src="http://www.soldiercity.com/images/products/thu/RNK-103-BLK_TH.GIF">
Never.

I don't see how posting pictures of coffins would get you banned, but I saw that thread and Llama's post was obviously in jest and you went off the deep end. I wouldn't have said what Llama did just out of respect, but I think it was pretty clear it was in jest.

In regard to the rest of my earlier post, you can either take my advice or not, that's up to you. It's also your issue if you keep on this track and become someone who is widely viewed as a joke by the posters here, but I'd rather not see you do that.

[freak6]

It's also your issue if you keep on this track and become someone who is widely viewed as a joke by the posters here, but I'd rather not see you do that.

I don't care how I'm "widely viewed" on an internet message board. I've been posting with these guys for 8 years now flabronco. I was the troll killer at the RMN, and I broke down the Bronco's/Vikings 98 Superbowl at the DPO down to the dime corner on each team only to have the Vikings choke away what should have been the greatest SB matchup in history.

Where is Gonzo with his response already? This analysis of Freakzilla with Florida is boring me to death.

C'mon Gonzo, post some more zingers bro, you are cracking me the hell up with this nonsense!!!

[Wes Mantooth]

I cannot vote as I have not seen Cutler play in a regular season game. I think Jake has he edge in wins though.

[Florida_Bronco]

I don't care how I'm "widely viewed" on an internet message board. I've been posting with these guys for 8 years now flabronco. I was the troll killer at the RMN, and I broke down the Bronco's/Vikings 98 Superbowl at the DPO down to the dime corner on each team only to have the Vikings choke away what should have been the greatest SB matchup in history.

Where is Gonzo with his response already? This analysis of Freakzilla with Florida is boring me to death.

C'mon Gonzo, post some more zingers bro, you are cracking me the hell up with this nonsense!!!

If you don't care why you are so widely viewed on a message board, then why do you care who or why people support Jake Plummer, George Bush, God and on and on and on? ???

Where is the logic in that?

[freak6]

If you don't care why you are so widely viewed on a message board, then why do you care who or why people support Jake Plummer, George Bush, God and on and on and on? ???

Where is the logic in that?
Your question really doesn't ask what you are trying to ask but I'll humor you anyway. Ignorance is the greatest threat to the growth and survival of mankind.

[Florida_Bronco]

Your question really doesn't ask what you are trying to ask but I'll humor you anyway. Ignorance is the greatest threat to the growth and survival of mankind.

Ahh, well that makes sense. I hate to tell you though, you're fighting an uphill battle.

[maven]

unfortunately for not long enough

http://www.treadmill-tips.com/images/treadmill-for-index.jpg

Use it.

ROFL!

[freak6]

http://www.treadmill-tips.com/images/treadmill-for-index.jpg

Use it.

ROFL!

lmfao!!! I love treadmills, set the speed, go uphill, and no downhill option!!! The perfect killing machine. I'm running 17 flat 5ks to this day.

I can't wait to read the next round of hilarity from Gonzo!!! WOOO!!!

Jay Cutler will be worse than Leinart because he was drafted after him

the pass protection is killing Plummer even though it hasn't led to any of his idiotic interceptions

we have the #4 rushing game in the NFL but that doesn't matter because Jake's moxy and playmaking is what is winning the games

not the #1 scoring defense in the NFL

not the best playmaker at WR in the NFL

it is Jake, because anything other than that and I am wrong.

Jake Plummer's stats are comparable to Tom Brady's

Jake Plummer led several game tieing scoring drives vs the Colts, could Cutler have handed off to Mike and Tatum like that?

the 2005 Broncos are comparable to the teams that drafted Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, and Steve Young because you can't put all of a quarterbacks struggles on the QB alone unless you are a total hypocrite like me that does exactly that when it suits my needs.

[mosca]

4 first down interceptions this season. He is a drive killer. The guy has handed touchdowns to the Browns, Raiders, and Colts inside our 20. Let's read some more gems.
Wrong - he handed possession of the ball and field position to the Browns, Raiders, and Colts inside our 20. The opposing offense is what gets credit for scoring the TD... against our D. This is the NFL. Nothing is simply handed to you.

[maven]

Trying to get rid of your rig mock?

Look at you anti-treadmill boy.Hilarious!

Five postings in one thread, yet doesn't contribute anything to the poll or discussion.LOL

Jake lovers will do anything to stand up for their man. I'm curious, is Jake your pimp? And that's your outfit to make money for your suga daddy, homie?

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

[SprintRightOption]

More importantly, it was respectful. Just like Gonzo and I are being. Some people have no class ... other pathetic crap that makes it ugly.

This may be the most ironic post in the history of life.

No one, not even Chiefs trolls after they beat us, is more of an ass on this board than you, guy.

About your "epic" Vikings Broncos breakdown on the DPO, I'm guessing you were Kris Karlson or whatever. If so, that is hilarious, because in the late 90s absolutely everyone hated his ass. Your posting style seems vaguely familiar. If not, what was your username on the DPO? Because no one else was anywhere as much of a complete disrespectful jackass as you freak.

Why don't you sack up and take my bet about Jake being the worst QB in the league? Now you're amending it to 2nd worst. So if he is no better than the 2nd worse in rating or INTs, we can meet in the parking lot of the stadium and the winner will kick the loser in the balls 25 times. Time to sack up! :rofl:

PS - you think you are OWNING everyone because nobody likes you, and nobody wants to talk to you that much. Why are people who agree with you telling you to cool it all the time? Hell, I have responded to 7 posts of yours in 2 months and that's about the limit.

[BMF Bronco]

Look at you anti-treadmill boy.Hilarious!


Resorting to personal attacks now are we maven. Classy bro! yeah, this anti-treadmill individual will challenege you to any physical activity you choose son. Because I am not an anorexic twig does not mean my cardio is not sufficient. And about the outfit, it's called Halloween genius. But if you'd like, we can meet up at any game of your choosing and we can further discuss this son.

[Rock Chalk]

"As a coach, you have to go with your gut," Shanahan said Monday. "You can't go with who is the starter, or who has been the starter. You have to go based on how a guy practices and what you think is best for your football team.

"If that's a message, the message is we're going to play the best players."

The message is Plummer > Cutler :P

[freak6]

About your "epic" Vikings Broncos breakdown on the DPO, I'm guessing you were Kris Karlson or whatever. If so, that is hilarious, because in the late 90s absolutely everyone hated his ass. Your posting style seems vaguely familiar. If not, what was your username on the DPO?

That was me.

You see what an impact I had. Most everyone bailed that site 8 years ago, yet you still remember me to this day!!! lmao. <b>What was your username at the DPO?</b> You should remember the huge thread between me and 98vikes about the Superbowl to end all Superbowls. To bad it didn't happen. I also posted at the Sportingnews forums, and started discussing the game with Vike fans there, which turned into emails, and then I got offered a position to write for PFW off it. Crazy. As far as everyone hating me, I don't know what you are talking about. Slap, BIM, 98Vikes, Dbroncoslady, XZN, etc...I have all kinds of "internet" pals from that site to this day. Most of us moved to the RMN, a better site, and then migrated to this. And I don't mind being the most controversial/hated/whatever poster on any message board. People that post BS lies and spread ignorance deserve to be called out. I enjoy ruffling the feathers and getting people to think outside the box. That is the point of a <i>message board</i>, to speak your mind, and if possible convince others to see it your way.

And more and more posts look like this.

You guys have talked me into it, I say put in the rookie, he can't be worse

[freak6]

Resorting to personal attacks now are we maven. Classy bro! yeah, this anti-treadmill individual will challenege you to any physical activity you choose son.

lmfao. Yeah, tell him to be classy BMF, that's telling him. :oyvey:

I'll challenge YOU to any physical activity. Internet toughguys.

[BMF Bronco]

I'll challenge YOU to any physical activity. Internet toughguys.

Hey dude, I asked him if he was banned, made a joke about it and he starts on personal attacks. I realize that internet arguements are like the special olympics, but hey, what am I to do, let him insult me and not say anything? You of all people should know that when I am wrong, I will admit it and step aside. This is just plain bull****.

[Rascal]

why are you even bothering to talk to them BMF? Freak and maven are a bunch of idots, and are not worth the time to respond too.

Pretty ironic to hear freak and maven pull out the internet tough guy card though. LOL

[Rock Chalk]

why are you even bothering to talk to them BMF? Freak and maven are a bunch of idots, and are not worth the time to respond too.

Pretty ironic to hear freak and maven pull out the internet tough guy card though. LOL

Thats why I put them on ignore.

The only idiot I dont have on ignore wont let me put him on ignore. Stupid admin privledges.

[freak6]

Hey dude, this is just plain bull****.

It's all good mate!

[freak6]

Thats why I put them on ignore.

The only idiot I dont have on ignore wont let me put him on ignore. Stupid admin privledges.

Alec is a wannabe bully, and total coward. I have stood up to his BS and dropped logic and fact bombs on his ignorant dome so much, that he finally gave up because like all bully's once you stand up to them, the coward is exposed and he quit with his tail between his legs. Which is fine, because I don't like wasting my time on scumbags like him anyway.

NOW

_________________________________________________

Can we get back to the crux of the matter. Oh wait, I guess Fontaine on his thread and myself here already destroyed any reasoning for Plummer to continue as our QB.

Thanks for the assist Gonzolays, couldn't have done it without you.

Gonzolays, you are my John Stockton!!!

lmao

[SprintRightOption]

That was me.

You see what an impact I had. Most everyone bailed that site 8 years ago, yet you still remember me to this day!!! lmao. <b>What was your username at the DPO?</b> You should remember the huge thread between me and 98vikes about the Superbowl to end all Superbowls. To bad it didn't happen. I also posted at the Sportingnews forums, and started discussing the game with Vike fans there, which turned into emails, and then I got offered a position to write for PFW off it. Crazy. As far as everyone hating me, I don't know what you are talking about. Slap, BIM, 98Vikes, Dbroncoslady, XZN, etc...I have all kinds of "internet" pals from that site to this day. Most of us moved to the RMN, a better site, and then migrated to this. And I don't mind being the most controversial/hated/whatever poster on any message board. People that post BS lies and spread ignorance deserve to be called out. I enjoy ruffling the feathers and getting people to think outside the box. That is the point of a <i>message board</i>, to speak your mind, and if possible convince others to see it your way.

And more and more posts look like this.

Wow. Okay, I actually have gained respect for you (not that anyone cares, but there was only one possible way to go - up). I used to read that site in 1998 occasionally but registered some name I don't remember and posted like 10 posts. At that point I think you had left or were about to, and everyone still posting had this negative thing about Kris Karlson, but I had no direct contact with him (you). that was the first time I read a Broncos internet forum, so it kinda sticks out. I'm trying to remember: was that epic thread something like "518 reasons why the Vikings can be had" after they beat Dallas on Thanksgiving but gave up 518 yards and like 30+ points?

I remember people grudgingly giving you props for calling John Elway as XXXIII MVP before the AFCC game or something, but you weren't really around much.

Then in 1999 or 2000 I registered and started posting for a couple years as Ted Friday (stupid in-joke about beer goggles in college), but that was in the heyday of BusterTBronco, KCBH, EyePatch and some of the people from here like Taco and baja. I think the DPO was the lamest board ever, since you could change your name at will, delete posts, there was no post count, etc. I posted as "Brian Griese's Dog" for a while and some stupid other joke names as that board went downhill in 2002. That was the last time I checked it out. Talk about a troll's paradise: no one got banned unless they broke the law, so there would be like 10 Raider/Chief trolls posting over half the posts on the whole board for a day after every loss. WEAK!!

Anyway, you're still a bastard. Nnyah!

[GonzoLays]

HFing mother of mary crapped in my drawers batman!!! You just topped Smalltowngirl for stupidest thing I have ever read on the Mane!!! The defense has made the plays. Javon Walker has made the plays. But according to Gonzolays, Jake Plummer has made every single play to get us to 7-2.

The fact our defense was giving up 8 ppg through 7 games...according to Gonzolays

Man, must be tough to score more than 8 ppg!!! Somehow, Jake is QBing Shanahan to his worst offense in history. <b>All he is asked to do is manage the game, and he is failing miserably at that. </b>His 4 interceptions this week, yeah, some great plays he made. He handed them thier only touchdown.

4 first down interceptions this season. He is a drive killer. The guy has handed touchdowns to the Browns, Raiders, and Colts inside our 20. Let's read some more gems.
I can't believe this, Bob is correcting you??? JFC!!!

1-10-DEN20 (11:37) M.Bell right end to DEN 24 for 4 yards (D.Freeney, M.Jackson).
2-6-DEN24 (10:58) J.Plummer pass short right to J.Walker pushed ob at DEN 33 for 9 yards (N.Harper).
1-10-DEN33 (10:30) M.Bell up the middle to DEN 43 for 10 yards (C.June, M.Jackson).
1-10-DEN43 (9:48) M.Bell up the middle to IND 38 for 19 yards (A.Bethea, M.Jackson).
1-10-IND38 (9:05) T.Bell left end to IND 43 for -5 yards (D.Freeney).
2-15-IND43 (8:22) M.Bell up the middle to IND 29 for 14 yards (A.Bethea; M.Jackson).
3-1-IND29 (7:42) C.Sapp up the middle to IND 1 for 28 yards (Da.Reid).
1-1-IND1 (6:57) M.Bell up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Denver Broncos at 03:35
1-10-DEN20 (3:35) M.Bell right guard pushed ob at IND 32 for 48 yards (A.Bethea).
1-10-IND32 (3:24) T.Bell up the middle to IND 32 for no gain (G.Brackett).
2-10-IND32 (2:44) M.Bell up the middle to IND 31 for 1 yard (R.Brock).
3-9-IND31 (2:00) <b>J.Plummer pass incomplete deep right to R.Smith.</b>
4-9-IND31 (1:54) J.Elam 49 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-M.Leach, Holder-J.Plummer

What odds are those? <u>I have seen Jake's lack of arm strength, accuracy, timing, and ability to make good decisions with the ball kill more drives than he has kept alive. </u>Jay Cutler turns many of those blown throws into completions and touchdowns. Not ducks easily intercepted.

You should reread that <u>underlined</u> part again.

I just love how you completely ignored the ass tearing I just gave you on my last post! lmfao. Comparing Brady to Plummer...bwaaa ha ha haaaa.

<b>Comparing rookie QBs' seasons </b>drafted by some of the worst teams in NFL history to our <u>11 year veteran</u> running a <b>12-4 offense with the #4 running game</b> in the NFL.

WOOO!!! You are fkn hilarious Gonzolays.

Yeah. You mean could Cutler have thrown a jump ball to Javon 30 yards down field? Yeah, and given two throws to warm up, so could I. Jake admitted all he did was throw up a jump ball, and he admitted he did the same on the huge drive vs the Ravens.

Could Cutler have thrown 4 interceptions and set up the Raiders only touchdown?

The ridiculous amount of redzone turnovers we forced up until the Colts game is the reason Jake was able to do that, no way was it "Jake's moxy"!!! <B>His interceptions kept those games close!!!!</b> The offense is so dumbed down, we run on 3rd and 8 and 9 because Shanahan has zero faith on Jake dropping back and throwing against a dime defense!!! Pathetic!!!
That is your OPINION, but since Jake is so bad I disagree. Thankfully the Steelers set us up with so many fumbles, Jake and Shanahan did a good job taking advantage of them. But Cutler could have done the same.


In case you haven't noticed, <b>Jake is playing just like a rookie</b>. In case you missed it, we clearly drafted the best QB in the 06 draft. There is every reason to think that Jay Cutler would play way better than his fellow classmates do to the fact he has a superior running game, superior offensive line, superior HC, gameplan, and recievers. The Broncos are vastly superior to Tampa Bay in every position but at DE, and our ends are much better than last seasons.

<font size=4>Gonzo, I know you know football, I can only conclude that you are actually purposely teeing up these BS excuses and softball stats to help me prove my point. Hilarious and ingenious!!! Thanks!!!

Wow! We are going back and forth for two hours, you get shooked, run away, come back five hours later and this is the best you can do?

Time to take a page out of freaks posting skills:

Holy stupid son of a b****, how do you know Jay Cutler can do any better than Jake Plummer? OWNED!!! OWNED!!!! OWNED!!!!!! You don't! So unless you want to speak of hypothetical's all day long, remove your lips from Jay's scholong and quit acting like you know what he can do. OWNED!! All you harp about is his arm strength. Kyle Boller has one of the strongest arms in this league, how did that work out for him? OWNED!! OWNED!!! OWNED!!! There is more to being a QB than having a strong arm. OWNED!!

You b**** about Plummer's ints, but he has just as many as McNair, Pennington, Manning and Brady. We should bench all of them too! OWNED!! Bwahahahahahaha

Rookie QB's 99% of time fail miserably in their first year. Yet you want to start one on a 7-2 football team? OWNED!!!!

For all you know, Jay Cutler would wilt under the constant pressure of having defensive lineman nipping at his heels every time he tried to throw a pass. OWNED!!

And furthermore, you have no idea if our receivers are running the right routes or not. Just like Shanahan said Monday, it is EASY TO BLAME THE QB for when things go wrong, but there is a lot more to it. Was there protection problems? Did the receivers run the correct routes? Re-read the underlined part... BWHAHAHAH HAAHAHAHA

I know you are not as stupid as you come across, Freak. My suggestion to you is to quit speaking in absolutes such as:

In case you missed it, we clearly drafted the best QB in the 06 draft.

How in the hell does anyone know that?

The offense is so dumbed down

Once again, how in the hell do you know that?

Jay Cutler turns many of those blown throws into completions and touchdowns.

You got the powerball numbers too, Miss Cleo?

How can someone carrying on a rational conversation with you when you throw out gems like that? So sit around for three or fours, think about what I wrote, and then give me a well thought out response. Seriously, take your time.

[Lev Vyvanse]

Wow! We are going back and forth for two hours, you get shooked, run away, come back five hours later and this is the best you can do?

Time to take a page out of freaks posting skills:

Holy stupid son of a b****, how do you know Jay Cutler can do any better than Jake Plummer? OWNED!!! OWNED!!!! OWNED!!!!!! You don't! So unless you want to speak of hypothetical's all day long, remove your lips from Jay's scholong and quit acting like you know what he can do. OWNED!! All you harp about is his arm strength. Kyle Boller has one of the strongest arms in this league, how did that work out for him? OWNED!! OWNED!!! OWNED!!! There is more to being a QB than having a strong arm. OWNED!!

You b**** about Plummer's ints, but he has just as many as McNair, Pennington, Manning and Brady. We should bench all of them too! OWNED!! Bwahahahahahaha

Rookie QB's 99% of time fail miserably in their first year. Yet you want to start one on a 7-2 football team? OWNED!!!!

For all you know, Jay Cutler would wilt under the constant pressure of having defensive lineman nipping at his heels every time he tried to throw a pass. OWNED!!

And furthermore, you have no idea if our receivers are running the right routes or not. Just like Shanahan said Monday, it is EASY TO BLAME THE QB for when things go wrong, but there is a lot more to it. Was there protection problems? Did the receivers run the correct routes? Re-read the underlined part... BWHAHAHAH HAAHAHAHA


That was a excellent impression.

[freak6]

Look at this BS you posted Gonzo
Plummer is 7-2 and has made every single play to get this team here.
Javon has made the plays. Jakes ints keep the games close. The defense has made the plays, especially in the redzone. Jake has not "made every single play to get this team here" Hilarious!

I know you are smarter than to post BS like this Gonzo, and I still think you on my side, and are intentional posting this dribblish crap just to help me prove my point. And I thank you for it. You tried Gonzo, I have heard about your tricks, but you can't trick me dude. I am wise to your games. But' I'll play along and help you destroy Plummer if you want. You tee'em up, I'll knock them out.
He drove the Broncos down the field against the Colts to tie up the game before Manning won it in the last seconds.

Total BS.

1-10-DEN20 (11:37) M.Bell right end to DEN 24 for 4 yards (D.Freeney, M.Jackson).
2-6-DEN24 (10:58) J.Plummer pass short right to J.Walker pushed ob at DEN 33 for 9 yards (N.Harper).
1-10-DEN33 (10:30) M.Bell up the middle to DEN 43 for 10 yards (C.June, M.Jackson).
1-10-DEN43 (9:48) M.Bell up the middle to IND 38 for 19 yards (A.Bethea, M.Jackson).
1-10-IND38 (9:05) T.Bell left end to IND 43 for -5 yards (D.Freeney).
2-15-IND43 (8:22) M.Bell up the middle to IND 29 for 14 yards (A.Bethea; M.Jackson).
3-1-IND29 (7:42) C.Sapp up the middle to IND 1 for 28 yards (Da.Reid).
1-1-IND1 (6:57) M.Bell up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Denver Broncos at 03:35
1-10-DEN20 (3:35) M.Bell right guard pushed ob at IND 32 for 48 yards (A.Bethea).
1-10-IND32 (3:24) T.Bell up the middle to IND 32 for no gain (G.Brackett).
2-10-IND32 (2:44) M.Bell up the middle to IND 31 for 1 yard (R.Brock).
3-9-IND31 (2:00) <b>J.Plummer pass incomplete deep right to R.Smith.</b>
4-9-IND31 (1:54) J.Elam 49 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-M.Leach, Holder-J.Plummer

Could Cutler do that? Who knows, but the odds are stacked against him because he is a rookie.
The odds are stacked against him making those HANDOFFS...bwaa ha haaaa...

<u>I have seen Jake's lack of arm strength, accuracy, timing, and ability to make good decisions with the ball kill more drives than he has kept alive. </u>

Do you dispute that?

Then you started -

<b>Comparing rookie QBs' seasons </b>drafted by some of the worst teams in NFL history to our <u>11 year veteran</u> running a <b>12-4 offense with the #4 running game</b> in the NFL.

<font size=4>That was when I realized you were purposely trying to lose this argument, but I have heard about your tactics, very sly Gonzo, very sly. <font size=2>

I am obviously destroying like 6 arguments in one post, it is probably to much destruction to your thought process to counter, so I'll stop there while you respond to me crushing your (wink-wink) arguments for Jake.

LOL.

Oh yeah, I forgot about how you whine about us attributing Jakes interceptions and lack of production directly to him, <b>yet you do exactly the same thing when spewing out more BS lies and false stats</b> about 99% LOL of Rookies that have "failed miserably".

You are so funny, breaking out the Complete Hypocrite card because you know that Freakzilla would catch that BS and call you out on it!!!

Hilarious!

I applaud your<b> performance</b> Gonzolays, you are the man. Making up all these fake bs excuses and arguments for Jake is <b>INGENIOUS. </b>

And you had me going for quite a while too. You have my sincerest respect, you are one sly mofo dude!!!

[ro_50]

Can I vote for Shawn Moore?

[freak6]

Wow. Okay, I actually have gained respect for you (not that anyone cares, but there was only one possible way to go - up). I used to read that site in 1998 occasionally but registered some name I don't remember and posted like 10 posts. At that point I think you had left or were about to.

I remember people grudgingly giving you props for calling John Elway as XXXIII MVP before the AFCC game or something, but you weren't really around much.

Anyway, you're still a bastard. Nnyah!

lmao. Yeah, that DPO board was crazy. Eyepatch was the one who I am pretty sure christened us "Neckponies" over there. Classic. I liked that board, crazy as it was. As far as calling that Superbowl, almost everything I called for in the gameplan came true.

By far the funniest was when Reeves went for it on 4th and 3 or 4, and called a toss right from the right hash instead of going for the FG!!! Hilarious!

[Crushaholic]

Arm strength isn't an issue with Plummer. Whenever he misses, it's usually overthrown...

[(Jae)]

For those who voted for Better deep ball, velocity, and arm strength goes to Jake Plummer please explain why?

When was the last time Jake hit someone in stride deep?

[Crushaholic]

For those who voted for Better deep ball, velocity, and arm strength goes to Jake Plummer please explain why?

When was the last time Jake hit someone in stride deep?

How do you think Javon Walker got his touchdowns?

[(Jae)]

How do you think Javon Walker got his touchdowns?

Jump Balls AKA Prayers.................Leile dosent make those TD catches.

[Spider]

no way can people can claim that Cutler reads a D better or Cutler makes better decisions , but Cutler does have the live arm , and was more accurate in preseason , but that was against Vanillia ..... but benifit of a doubt

[Circle Orange]

Objectively? It's SUBJECTIVE, ya dope. Jay might be able to throw more accurately under the lights, he might be able to deliver a better deep ball, he might be able to read a D better. You don't know that, nobody does, therefore it is SUBJECTIVE. That's why the team is sticking with the vet. You can howl, moan, thrash and sweat in your jammies all you want, but the team is sticking with the vet.

Those are some big caps you got there, bub. :~ohyah!:

The only thing we know for certain is that Cutler's arm is stronger. The rest is wishful thinking until the guy proves it. And before everyone slobbers too much, remember the dear head coach is the SAME ONE that saw "Elway" qualities in Jake Plummer, too. http://scosoft.com/s/l/2043c5d0.gif