NFL Live: Chargers to win the AFC West.

[Los Broncos]

Just got done watching NFL Live and they picked the Chargers to win the AFC west, said they were the better team all around, dam i hope they are wrong.

[broncofan4life]

just saw it Golic a moron were not the bengals defense and we own the chargers at home the next four weeks will settle it.

[Los Broncos]

just saw it Golic a moron were not the bengals defense and we own the chargers at home the next four weeks will settle it.

Yep, cant frigging wait, but its going to be hard.

[Smiling Assassin27]

hey, they were the best all around team last year too and didn't even make the postseason. go figure.

[g00fyfoot]

Of course they did. Whatever happened in the past 48 hours trumps everything for the bobbleheads.

[BlaK-Argentina]

They are media darlings. Have been for the past few years. I can't remember how many times I've heard that in the last 3 years.

We'll see.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The Chargers are the all-hype team of the past two seasons.

Despite the success over the past two seasons, the Broncos will get no hype.

I saw Ron Jaworski, the village idiot, literally dismiss the Broncos from the "elite" category last night by reasoning that they werent in the same class as the Clots, the Chargers, the Pats, The Bears, etc., when the Broncos have proven that they are. Why Jaworski has a job there is beyond me.

Mike Ditka hit Jaworski and Irvin both pretty hard with a nice sly jab last night.

[BigPlayShay]

Wait a second, you mean someone on ESPN picks the Chargers?

[Orange4Life]

I can not belive what a pass the Chuggers defense gets. They have given up a ton of points. Speaking of passes the Colts get a pass as well for a 14-13 home win over the Bills? Yeah we played like **** last week but is a 17-13 away win over the fade any worse than a 14-13 home win over the Bills? If you want to rip on our team for playing bad fine, but don't give the rest of the "elite" teams a pass when they play like crap too.

[sirhcyennek81]

I am a little flabbergasted that the Ravens, Patriots OR Chargers are ranked ahead of denver, considering denver beat two of the three, and the Broncos won the west last year. Thats how it goes. Remember, according to Irvin, AFTER denver beat baltimore by 10, he thought baltimore would be the team that improves. Of course, ignore the team that won. Thats a clown for you.

:Broncos:

[Atwater His Ass]

It's amazing how bad defensive is just overlooked in the presence of good offensive play. The Colts and Chargers and in past years the Chiefs are great examples of this. The media just jumps all over these teams saying how great they are just because they sport very good offenses, and it just doesn't matter how bad their defense is.

You take a team like Denver this year with a sub-par offense but a great defense, and we have trouble getting anyone to say we are even a top 5 team in our conference eventhough we hold the #2 seed and have played a brutual schedule so far.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Well, they are right. San Diego has a better all-around team than the Broncos.

[sirhcyennek81]

Well, they are right. San Diego has a better all-around team than the Broncos.


Uh huh. and KC can take the division with Damon Huard.

:Broncos:

[missingnumber7]

Everyone was tripping all over themselves to talk about how cool it was...who cares what espn thinks. Look at Tom roll his eyes everytime he has to give an opinion about someone else. Ohhh shocking they picked the team that wears the powder blue unis...they love those gay looking jerseys...its all about Berman.

[rbackfactory80]

We will win this game and they will still be better. Who gives a F***.

[Ray Finkle]

the real question is "Does it really matter who NFL live picks?" they may be right. SD has a better RB and TE then the Broncos.....but games are not won on NFL Live...

[OrangeShadow]

well i guess we will see over the last part of the season now wont we? ESPN also said miami would challenge the pats,that arizona would make the playoffs,that romo would ruin the cowboys etc. So lets not put so much stock into what some talking heads in bristol say.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Denver has allowed a league-low 111 points per game. That's 64 points less than the Chargers. The Broncos arent better on that side of the ball?

Denver also has more wins where they count. A better conference and division record.

[freak6]

Ohhh shocking they picked the team that wears the powder blue unis...they love those gay looking jerseys...its all about Berman.

lol, I think so too. They have been so overrated. Thier entire team is inconsistent, our QB is inconsistent. If Jake Plummer shows up, we'll win. If Joke Blunder shows up, we'll lose. Unfortunately you never know which one is gonna show up. Maybe he is bi-polar or something?

[Traveler]

They have a low esteem for the team because they don't like Plummer. Just that simple.

[eddie mac]

As long as we have Mike Shanahan on the sidelines the Broncos are capable of beating anyone anywhere regardless of how individuals are performing/underperforming because he can always find those plays that win games and that's the bottom line why this team is one of the most successful in the last 10-15 years in this sport.

[epicSocialism4tw]

As long as we have Mike Shanahan on the sidelines the Broncos are capable of beating anyone anywhere regardless of how individuals are performing/underperforming because he can always find those plays that win games and that's the bottom line why this team is one of the most successful in the last 10-15 years in this sport.

No doubt. Shanny for pres.

[theAPAOps5]

well i guess we will see over the last part of the season now wont we? ESPN also said miami would challenge the pats,that arizona would make the playoffs,that romo would ruin the cowboys etc. So lets not put so much stock into what some talking heads in bristol say.

Exactly I even remember someone saying that Miami could be one of those suprise teams to make the SB. They ride a hot team until its gone and then proclaim the next team who has just laid waste to 3 or 4 bad teams as a powerful team. That is pretty much why I stopped watching the BS they put out.

Look at who they have beat and who they have lost to. All wins are against sub .500 teams all losses... yep you guessed it against winning teams.

[David110]

Exactly I even remember someone saying that Miami could be one of those suprise teams to make the SB. They ride a hot team until its gone and then proclaim the next team who has just laid waste to 3 or 4 bad teams as a powerful team. That is pretty much why I stopped watching the BS they put out.

Look at who they have beat and who they have lost to. All wins are against sub .500 teams all losses... yep you guessed it against winning teams.


By a total of 6 points. Both on last minute drives. Not quite Raider-esque.

[redrage]

Uh huh. and KC can take the division with Damon Huard.

:Broncos:

They could challenge with him. Unfortunately they need a healthy offensive line as well.

[azbroncfan]

By a total of 6 points. Both on last minute drives. Not quite Raider-esque.

But the KC game wasn't that close though they had a large lead most of the time.

[theAPAOps5]

By a total of 6 points. Both on last minute drives. Not quite Raider-esque.

Yeah you are right I guess I should say the teams with winning records found a way to come back and beat this team. The only teams they could comeback on or hold a lead against is teams with losing records. Stats are stats I know annointing a team who has barely played any talent and who has lost against the talent they have as the contender in the West is a joke. Now if they had beat lets say a KC, a NE on the road, and a Baltimore team maybe they would be due some more respect. Until then they are just winning the games they should and losing against talent.

[David110]

But the KC game wasn't that close though they had a large lead most of the time.

Wasn't that close? The Chargers has control of that game from mid third quarter until the Chiefs hit that 52 yrd fg to win the game. Chiefs fans were looking at a meltdown. The Chargers were on a roll and the Chiefs couldn't stop them.

[freak6]

If the Raiders recover that fumble, or don't get that penalty, we may have very well lost to them. And the loss would have rested squarely on Joke Blunder. There is one reason why they are picking the Chargers over us.

Philip Rivers > Jake Plumber < Jay Cutler

[BMF Bronco]

Well, they are right. San Diego has a better all-around team than the Broncos.

Once again dickhead hijacks a thread.

[David110]

Yeah you are right I guess I should say the teams with winning records found a way to come back and beat this team. The only teams they could comeback on or hold a lead against is teams with losing records. Stats are stats I know annointing a team who has barely played any talent and who has lost against the talent they have as the contender in the West is a joke. Now if they had beat lets say a KC, a NE on the road, and a Baltimore team maybe they would be due some more respect. Until then they are just winning the games they should and losing against talent.


We were dominating the Ravens in Baltimore. The Raven Game was the death of Martyball. He took the ball out of Rivers hand, who was shredding the Ravens D. The Chargers started the second half running the ball 19 out of 21 times. It wasn't the Chargers talent that lost that game, it was Marty. Why on earth would you run the ball 19 out of 21 times with just a 6 point lead.

[crowebomber]

The Broncos have always owned Marty and I think that is always in his head. He routinely gets outcoached by Shanahan. The media is always in love with the Chargers. I think it's just wishful thinking on their part hoping they can make more trips to sunny San Diego.

[theAPAOps5]

Well killing a team means finishing the job. You lost there is no excuse it is even worse that they came back. So in your terms you got obliterated by Ciny down by 21 more than once, that is a nightmare. Yet you came back so does that lessen your win like you are lessening your losses.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I think it's just wishful thinking on their part hoping they can make more trips to sunny San Diego.


There is much more truth in that than they would ever admit.

[KipCorrington25]

I like being the underdog. When the experts pick against you that's a good thing.

[David110]

Well killing a team means finishing the job. You lost there is no excuse it is even worse that they came back. So in your terms you got obliterated by Ciny down by 21 more than once, that is a nightmare. Yet you came back so does that lessen your win like you are lessening your losses.

I'm not lessing any losses. I'm just responding to some post regarding that Chargers lack of talent. We are 0-2 against teams that are >.500. But some of you are pointing out that the Chargers suck because of that. It's safe to assume that as Bronco fans you didn't see the games. Fine. The Chargers blew the Ravens game because of Marty. He was on thin ice here in SD because of that loss. But finally he learded something. He learded that Phillip Rivers can throw the ball and not make mistakes. The Chiefs game we came back 14 down. The Chiefs were on the ropes the whole second half. Why did the Chargers get away from physical defense to a semi-prevent defense? I have no clue. But getting beat on a 52 yrd fg is a kick in the balls.

[theAPAOps5]

I'm not lessing any losses. I'm just responding to some post regarding that Chargers lack of talent. We are 0-2 against teams that are >.500. But some of you are pointing out that the Chargers suck because of that. It's safe to assume that as Bronco fans you didn't see the games. Fine. The Chargers blew the Ravens game because of Marty. He was on thin ice here in SD because of that loss. But finally he learded something. He learded that Phillip Rivers can throw the ball and not make mistakes. The Chiefs game we came back 14 down. The Chiefs were on the ropes the whole second half. Why did the Chargers get away from physical defense to a semi-prevent defense? I have no clue. But getting beat on a 52 yrd fg is a kick in the balls.

I never said you guys don't have any talent. I am saying you have hardly played talent. When you have you lost, er I mean you were whooping them about to blow them out and then Marty led them to a loss.

[David110]

The Rams don't have talent? Granted that they are 4-5 now, but when we played them they were 4-3. I guess Torry Holt, Issac Bruce, Stephen Jackson have no talent.

Even if Denver wins this weekend, it's far from over.

[theAPAOps5]

Ok I will throw them in there b/c they were winning when you beat them and that was a good win. Plus we couldn't beat them so that is bad for us. A lot of teams have talented players but aren't a talented team.

[David110]

Ok I will throw them in there b/c they were winning when you beat them and that was a good win. Plus we couldn't beat them so that is bad for us. A lot of teams have talented players but aren't a talented team.


True, the Rams offense can score with anybody, but their D got hit with the injury bug hard.

[theAPAOps5]

Man a lot of teams have players dropping like flies. It has been a bad year for injuries. And I seriously doubt Madden will have a player willing to pose for their game again. That is a nasty curse.

[David110]

Man a lot of teams have players dropping like flies. It has been a bad year for injuries. And I seriously doubt Madden will have a player willing to pose for their game again. That is a nasty curse.

What's with the injuries?? It can't be the lack of conditioning. These guys work out all the time. I don't want to say the S word, but could it? Not steriods, but supplements. These things are not regulated.

[riiiiick]

i look at this team and i see: guts, vet leadership, class, as hard hitting as anyone, champ (what is his vertical leap, 4 ft?), a knack for making plays when it counts most, winners, beating very good teams this year, etc. etc. etc. and i think they can beat any team on any given week and they go out and prove it 3 out of 4 times. then i come on here and hear, "our QB is crap and is ruining our season" "it's only a matter of time" etc. etc. etc. and i think, if these guys are right we should not be beating anybody. yet this team keeps showing up when it's needed most. stats mean nothing to me. how pretty you look means nothing to me as long as your the last one standing. SD has not played a team this good this year, we have played 3 teams in their class. i like us this week.

[400HZ]

I think it's just wishful thinking on their part hoping they can make more trips to sunny San Diego.

I can't say that I blame them now that it's getting butt cold in the midwest.

Who cares what ESPN says? Usually we lose the week after they start hanging from our nuts. I'll bet anything that Denver will be a favorite going into the game, anyways.

[ludo21]

Denver is the favorite I believe cause were at home.

I can care less what ESPN says, their mouths have been attached to the "best team to miss the playoffs" for the last 2 years. No biggie.

[theAPAOps5]

What's with the injuries?? It can't be the lack of conditioning. These guys work out all the time. I don't want to say the S word, but could it? Not steriods, but supplements. These things are not regulated.

Yeah but there are good supplements like Whey Protein and what not. I really think that a by product of the gains you can get from some of these is strain on the joints, tendons, and cartledge. Thus all the injuries. And there is the case of HGH that is very hard to detect and has huge results. Plus for every BALCO there is another 4 or 5 laying in wait so who knows what is going on.

[theAPAOps5]

I can't say that I blame them now that it's getting butt cold in the midwest.

Who cares what ESPN says? Usually we lose the week after they start hanging from our nuts. I'll bet anything that Denver will be a favorite going into the game, anyways.

Almost any team who is decent is favored at home. But when its 2.5 or 3 that pretty much means its a toss up. Which is what the line is right now. I doubt there will be enough action to change that. This game is going to be a toss up on what team shows up. Denver is pretty good at home and Jake usually plays well in Invesco. I really think this series will be split. SD is better than last year and has something to play for. Last year they were already eliminated so that takes a lot out of a team.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Where's Alec? We need him here to tell us how we're gonna kick SD's ass.

[Kaylore]

Is there anyone who can give a good reason the Chargers don't win it? They are better than us at just about every position.

[defenseman]

Part of it is settled on sunday nite. I'll be interested to hear what they say if the broncos beat them by 10 or more, which I believe they will. In any case, talking heads are what they are, talking heads. It's fodder for the cornfield at best...dman

*The chargers gave up 41 points to the bengals. I'm thinking the broncos have the wherewithall to negotiate a win at home.

[2KBack]

Is there anyone who can give a good reason the Chargers don't win it? They are better than us at just about every position.

huh?
Champ is better than Jammer
Darrent is better than Cromartie(not to mention he's a rook)
Javon and Rod are superior to Parker and McCardell
Without Merriman our linebacker crew is better
I don't even know their safties
I'd say Denver has the better o-line, but I'm not sure anymore, but it's at least a push

They have QB, TE, RB, and D-line. Denver has just as much advantage of talent.

Oh yeah...Shannahan > Marty

Come on Kaylore, don't succumb to the plague of QB blindness

[Hogan11]

ESPN never picks the Broncos because the Broncos have no marketable stars they can hype. Somehow, Walker doesn't seem to do enough celebrating to warrent lead in's, Champ isn't flashy enough, Lynch is too quiet, Plummer is despised, etc. etc. etc.

The Broncos are too boring to be hip enough to pick in the halls of ESPN.....it's been that way since Portis left, so this is of no surprise whatsoever.

[Kaylore]

huh?
Champ is better than Jammer
Darrent is better than Cromartie(not to mention he's a rook)
Javon and Rod are superior to Parker and McCardell
Without Merriman our linebacker crew is better
I don't even know their safties
I'd say Denver has the better o-line, but I'm not sure anymore, but it's at least a push

They have QB, TE, RB, and D-line. Denver has just as much advantage of talent.

Oh yeah...Shannahan > Marty

Come on Kaylore, don't succumb to the plague of QB blindness
All true.

If you take the QB's out of the equation they have an excellent defense, a better overall offense, a better special teams than we do and their schedule is easier. I'm not going to "crown their asses", but I don't think anyone should be shocked at that prediction.

[Xenos]

Is there anyone who can give a good reason the Chargers don't win it? They are better than us at just about every position.

Javon Walker? Of course, it all depends on whether he stays on Jammer's side or not though. If he doesn't then he will probably have a good game.
Oh, and it also depends on whether Marty wears the headset for most of the game.

And Champ Bailey of course. I can't believe I forgot the best CB in the league right now.

This is actually starting to remind me of last year when the roles were flipped and we had the hardest schedule (most difficult of the century probably). But you guys have gotten it done when you needed to, which is what we've been lacking since Ross was gone. It sucked last year. We could've won the first 14 games. One play in each of those 5 losses could have been the difference.

[2KBack]

All true.

If you take the QB's out of the equation they have an excellent defense, a better overall offense, a better special teams than we do and their schedule is easier. I'm not going to "crown their asses", but I don't think anyone should be shocked at that prediction.

I agree, If I was a talking head on TV I may even choose the Chargers, they have looked crisp. Still, there are many reasons to believe that Denver can win the division. Hell, I'm sure half these guys would still say that SD was Better than Denver last year.

I do think their Defense is just as suspect as ours, just in different ways. Denver can be picked apart, but San Diego can be absolutely burned by big plays.

[Xenos]

All true.

If you take the QB's out of the equation they have an excellent defense, a better overall offense, a better special teams than we do and their schedule is easier. I'm not going to "crown their asses", but I don't think anyone should be shocked at that prediction.

That defense is going to tighten up after what happened in the Bengals game. It'll probably come down to field goals.

[Xenos]

I agree, If I was a talking head on TV I may even choose the Chargers, they have looked crisp. Still, there are many reasons to believe that Denver can win the division. Hell, I'm sure half these guys would still say that SD was Better than Denver last year.

I do think their Defense is just as suspect as ours, just in different ways. Denver can be picked apart, but San Diego can be absolutely burned by big plays.

The Bengals game and the Dolphins game last year are the only times in the last two years where I remember us getting burned on passing plays like that. Most of the time, we do a great job of defending the deep ball. It's the middle of the field that's the weak point.

[2KBack]

The Bengals game and the Dolphins game last year are the only times in the last two years where I remember us getting burned on passing plays like that. Most of the time, we do a great job of defending the deep ball. It's the middle of the field that's the weak point.

You'd know that better than me, the bengals game is the only one I've seen this season. If that's the case it's probably a closer defensive matchup than first thought. Looks like this would be a good week pull some TE production out of our ass.

[Xenos]

You'd know that better than me, the bengals game is the only one I've seen this season. If that's the case it's probably a closer defensive matchup than first thought. Looks like this would be a good week pull some TE production out of our ass.

Yeah, I'm just glad Scheffler isn't Gonzales yet, because apparently no one in the middle the field knew how to cover or tackle in that game.

[ton80]

ESPN never picks the Broncos because the Broncos have no marketable stars they can hype. Somehow, Walker doesn't seem to do enough celebrating to warrent lead in's, Champ isn't flashy enough, Lynch is too quiet, Plummer is despised, etc. etc. etc.

The Broncos are too boring to be hip enough to pick in the halls of ESPN.....it's been that way since Portis left, so this is of no surprise whatsoever.

Man, i think you're right on this one. Boring doesn't sell. Insubordination, classlessness, deviant behavior, and murder is what ESPN is wanting.

[Dedhed]

Regardless of what ESPN says, this is a must win game for the Broncos if they want to win the division.

[400HZ]

Our main advantage is at QB. That will be the difference maker if we win.

[Dedhed]

Our main advantage is at QB. That will be the difference maker if we win.

That is such a painful truth to admit to.

[BroncoInferno]

Is there anyone who can give a good reason the Chargers don't win it? They are better than us at just about every position.

Because we don't win pretty it's easy to take this team for granted, but we are 7-2 in the face of a pretty tough schedule. We don't win pretty, but we win. No reason to think that won't continue at home, particularly given the way the Chargers D has been smacked around the last couple of weeks.

[WoodMan]

Is there anyone who can give a good reason the Chargers don't win it? They are better than us at just about every position.

Not on the defensive side of the ball, but then people that believe football is only offense, think Denver is 2-7 and not 7-2.

[WoodMan]

The Bengals game and the Dolphins game last year are the only times in the last two years where I remember us getting burned on passing plays like that. Most of the time, we do a great job of defending the deep ball. It's the middle of the field that's the weak point.

If this is true, then Rod Smith and the Tight ends should have solid offensive games, not to mention the running game. Add in a big play or two to Javon Freekin' Walker and we will do fine.

[Man-Goblin]

The Chargers are the best 7-2 team, EVER.

[BMF Bronco]

That is such a painful truth to admit to.

anything to suck that anti-Jake dick, eh Ded?

[Willynowei]

The AFC west is a division of irony. Whenever the media annoints the Chargers, they always fall apart. Its a must. Thanks to that analysis, the Broncos are now a lock for the division title :D

[Rock Chalk]

They have a low esteem for the team because they don't like Plummer. Just that simple.

Didnt know ESPN journalists were members of the Orangemane.

[The Lone Bolt]

THAT'S RIGHT BABY!! BOLTS TAKE THE AFC WEST!! BANK IT!!!Booya!

[ScottXray]

Talkin heads....**** em!

[BMF Bronco]

THAT'S RIGHT BABY!! BOLTS TAKE THE AFC WEST!! BANK IT!!!Booya!

Didn't you say this exact same thing last year?

And as far as your signature goes, are we to fear Merriman for his propensity for Roid Rage?

[Paladin]

The first game of the rest of the season for the Broncos will be played next Sunday evening. It would be a dum-arsed assertion to say that the Broncos will lose with any degree of certainty, and to lose would be possible, also, but not guaranteed. The Chuggers are a decent team, no doubt. And they have been playing well the past few weeks. The Broncos have been moving along, winning more than they lose, and just being an inconvenient roadblock to anyone crowning the chuggers as Division champions. I agree that the Broncos do not have that great star power on their team, and so do not garner the love of the Meida. But I'd rather see them win than be the media darlings. For the past three years, the bolts have been darlings. What have they gotten? ZIP. The Broncos have been hanging around. What have they done? I'll leave that to the membership to decypher.

I think the road to the SB goes through the dolts, not the bolts. Any great outburst of proclamations for the bolts is a bit premature. Do not write off the Broncos just yet. And there are a couple of more games for all to play just yet, arn't there?

[ROYC75]

For crying out loud, it's ESPN ! Get real will ya, it's wasy to open your gums and then back it up afterwards saying, Well, I really felt like they were untill ________ ( fill in the blank ) happened .

It's the media....... all they do is stir up a little excitement amongst fans.

[sirhcyennek81]

THAT'S RIGHT BABY!! BOLTS TAKE THE AFC WEST!! BANK IT!!!Booya!

Just like last year...err...:thumbsup:

:Broncos:

[Bronco Bob]

It's amazing how bad defensive is just overlooked in the presence of good offensive play. The Colts and Chargers and in past years the Chiefs are great examples of this. The media just jumps all over these teams saying how great they are just because they sport very good offenses, and it just doesn't matter how bad their defense is.

You take a team like Denver this year with a sub-par offense but a great defense, and we have trouble getting anyone to say we are even a top 5 team in our conference eventhough we hold the #2 seed and have played a brutual schedule so far.


How is what ESPN is saying any different than what half of this board is saying?
It seems every other post is what crap the Denver offense is, mostly
because of the QB, and how much better it would be if we put in
another QB, and how we aren't going anywhere this year with this QB.
And then everyone acts shocked because ESPN uses the same logic.

[milehimike]

I am a little flabbergasted that the Ravens, Patriots OR Chargers are ranked ahead of denver, considering denver beat two of the three, and the Broncos won the west last year. Thats how it goes. Remember, according to Irvin, AFTER denver beat baltimore by 10, he thought baltimore would be the team that improves. Of course, ignore the team that won. Thats a clown for you.

:Broncos:
Irvin is on crack and still thinks the cowboys are americas team!!!LOL Hilarious! Hilarious! ROFL!

[bloodsunday]

They may have more talent... but they have more convicts and Marty Schottenheimer as well.

Oh yeah and the best team they have beaten has 4 wins, take your pick of St. Louis, San Fran, or Cincy. Meanwhile they have played two teams with winning records and they are 0 - 2. Their schedule doesn't get much tougher however so Denver better take care of business if they want to win the divisioin.

[Atlas]

Weren't the Chuggers the best 4-4 team in the history of the NFL last year??

I guess that made them the best 9-7 team at then end of the year as well.