It's all Larry Coyer's fault!

[fontaine]

In the last five games, Tomlinson has 15 touchdowns.

In the last 6 games Rivers has thrown 10 TDs, just 2 ints.

SD is averaging 33 points per game, tops in the NFL.

Larry Coyer will be missing Brandon in the big nickel to cover Gates, Gold and Ekuban are probably out, Warren is playing with two bad toes, and Coyer has been forced to play practice squad players and stree free agents like Antwon Burton, and Kenny Peterson at the DL.

You guys might as well crucify Coyer now and blame him (just like you were blaming Coyer and his D in the faders game when they gave up 13) because with the amount of injuries on D, Coyer won't be able to totally shut down SD.

It's Coyer's fault.

Coyer is also personally responsible for Tatum's turf toes, Gold straining his hamstring, Plummer's ints, and ofcourse the war on Iraq.

Anything else?

[bpc]

Yep. We need to win this game and he is charged with having to find a way to do that.

No excuses.

[thumpc]

I wouldn't take any DC over Coyer.

[Willynowei]

In the last five games, Tomlinson has 15 touchdowns.

In the last 6 games Rivers has thrown 10 TDs, just 2 ints.

SD is averaging 33 points per game, tops in the NFL.

Larry Coyer will be missing Brandon in the big nickel to cover Gates, Gold and Ekuban are probably out, Warren is playing with two bad toes, and Coyer has been forced to play practice squad players and stree free agents like Antwon Burton, and Kenny Peterson at the DL.

You guys might as well crucify Coyer now and blame him (just like you were blaming Coyer and his D in the faders game when they gave up 13) because with the amount of injuries on D, Coyer won't be able to totally shut down SD.

It's Coyer's fault.

Coyer is also personally responsible for Tatum's turf toes, Gold straining his hamstring, Plummer's ints, and ofcourse the war on Iraq.

Anything else?

Yes, Coyer lead a defense with three probowlers and solid supporting players, including DJ, Dwill and Durmevile against the worst offense in the NFL. As a result, that offense scored two points higher than their season average.

I'm not calling for Coyer's head, but don't blow things out of proportion here. Coyer got out called yesterday on nearly every down. Some examples:

I saw three times where Coyer called a weak side blitz and Oakland ran right, with great success. I saw twice where Coyer called an all-out blitz and the offense max protected.

Other observations includes the fact that our backups including Durmeveil did really well today in applying pressure in the four man front. I personally think we got an upgrade when some of those defense players went out, with maybe Gold as the exception.

What i want to see from Coyer is a good mix of plays and adjustments to what the offense is doing. He needs to fake his blitzes and give confusing looks to the young QB. Our defense is still simple, although i really like those 4 man loops Coyer's been running since the Indy game. It gives the other team some rushing yards, but has worked in passing downs.

[watermock]

Coyer finally got desperate and cut loose the all out blitz like he did against Philly and we got two fumbles out of it.

That's reality.

[bpc]

Ummm... I would switch up our defense to a 3-4 and invite a bunch of different guys in here over Coyer.

I would bring Wade Philips back to be our DC in a heart beat, especially with Champ on our team. His weakness has always been his defensive secondaries however he won't even have to coach that guy. The rest of the defense would be nails.

Listen guys... I like Coyer but I'm not that impressed overall this season. I think the defense has been soft in the flesh of the field (20-20) and the only reason we are doing so well is because of the talent we sport. Still, we are far from dominating in any way on the field besides Champ. We give up too many rush yards... and pass yards.

I would move to a 3-4 in a heart beat. Nano-second.

I appreciate what Coyer has done for us but we still look too soft out there. IF we are going down, I would rather go down using our defensive scheme we had last season when we got exposed once last season. We were thoroughly more dominating on defense in my oppinion. There was pressure, there were NO rush yards against us and wins were up. We were also close to setting a franchise record in turnovers.

If we lose this week against SD it will be based on our scheme. Last year we brought it, this year we've sat back and let guys like Andrew Walters dink and dunk us to death.

[Taco John]

Well, according to Champ, it was Coyers adjustements that made the difference against the Raiders. For all the yammering here about Coyer's inability to make adjustments, his players are always getting his back during press conferences.

[watermock]

Coyer sent the house like he did against Philly and it produced two turnovers.

It's as much of an adjustment as just letting it rip.

[watermock]

I have no clue how you think we are going to go to a 3/4 with both Gold, totally unsuited to be a 3/4 LB, and Predator both out.

You think Dumervil is suited for the 3/4? We have about 3 players suited for that scheme. Warren, D.J. and Predator.

That simply isn't the defense Coyer prefers. Might as well throw him out to boot. The 3/4 is beatable if you have two legit TE's.

This defense is not designed for the 3/4 and we are down to Webter at LB and your calling for THAT?

Buy a vowel. All a TE has to do is make sure the OLB doesn't go outside, give him a chip and he can go into his pattern into a zone vacated.

You have to have decent TE's and you can neuter the 3/4. If you go Nintendo, your going to get slayed. Bottom line.

[Taco John]

Listen guys... I like Coyer but I'm not that impressed overall this season. I think the defense has been soft in the flesh of the field (20-20) and the only reason we are doing so well is because of the talent we sport.



LOL ROFL! LOL ROFL!

Who cares if we're soft between the 20's if we've got the toughest redzone defense in the league! Coyer has only done everything that's ever been asked of him. A few years ago, we weren't getting interceptions. He put a focus on Interceptions, bam! We're a turnover machine. Last year, the complaint was red zone defense and sacks. He put his thinking cap on, and now we've got one of the toughest red zone defenses IN THE HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE, and two of our players are on their way to double digit sack seasons.

I think people are flat out nuts when they sit and complain about Coyer. All I have to say is thank God for the guy, because without him and his defense, we'd be sitting on one, maybe two wins this season at this point. Thanks to him and the defense, we're competing this week for a division title.

[watermock]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=1&dateline=1162949657

You growing Baby Zee to be a Sumo Wrestler Taco? He's growing faster than a weed.

[watermock]

I'm not into dogging that old Pipe Smoker.

His D is the 4/3 and that's what the personel dictates. Fools that keep calling for it don't understand it would take a complete rework of personel.

[Wes Mantooth]

is this thread actually a pre-emptive excuse for excuses?

[ludo21]

Well, according to Champ, it was Coyers adjustements that made the difference against the Raiders. For all the yammering here about Coyer's inability to make adjustments, his players are always getting his back during press conferences.



:thumbsup: Sure some of his schemes are obvious and the Offense adjusts, but the players support him and like him, so no reason to kick him outta town anytime soon.

[Drek]

Coyer kicks ass. He's working with reclaimation projects and late draft picks on the front line and he's getting average/above average production out of them while keeping our LBs and DBs at a pro-bowl level.

I think some forget how many people where hurt yesterday, or that he is in fact playing a second year corner as a starter, or that our DL is, excluding Warren, a bargain basement crew.

And while I love the 3-4 defensive front, we don't have the guys for it. Analyze the two units (DL and LBs) critically.

LB: Wilson and Gold are both too small for any 3-4 spot. DJ could play MLB, but he's never played there before and people went crazy when he moved to sam. Who plays the OLB spots? Chuckwurah and Dumervil? I don't think Dumervil has the top end speed for it, he's an ideal weak side DE. And why adjust our D to play towards two projects when we have pro bowl caliber LBs in a 3-4 front?

DB: Warren has made it pretty public knowledge that he doesn't want to ever play NT. Does he have the quickness to play DE? Veal could probably play DE as well, but Ekuban, Brown (when healthy), and Lang (did horrible in a 3-4 as an OLB last season) are bad fits for the 3-4.

We'd have to blow up the entire front seven to go 3-4. I think the long standing infatuation is a result of how productive our OLBs have been for years now while the DL struggles. Assuming it'd carry over to a 3-4 is an inaccurate assumption as it totally changes the personell you need to have on the field.

[Popps]

Coyer kicks ass. He's working with reclaimation projects and late draft picks on the front line and he's getting average/above average production out of them while keeping our LBs and DBs at a pro-bowl level.

That's the thing. Coyer's results have been sub-par at times, but I can only get so mad at a d-coord who's told... "you have to go out and win with late draft picks and Browns cast-offs on your d-line, only."

I mean, can you even imagine what this defense would be doing to teams if we swapped out front fours with Chicago? Good lord, we'd be all-universe.

I've questioned Coyer in the past, but I just think he's: A. Learning on the job, and B. Doing what he can with marginal d-line talent.

[-Slap-]

You guys might as well crucify Coyer now and blame him (just like you were blaming Coyer and his D in the faders game when they gave up 13)

Including a 15 yard touchdown "drive".

[sirhcyennek81]

I dont think our defensive line is all that talentless. Ekuban, Warren, Lang and Brown are 1st rounders. Engleberger was a 2nd round pick. Veal is better then expected, as is Dumerville. Burton and King are depth players.

:Broncos:

[freak6]

lmao @ this thread. To bad we have a "marginal" D.C.

[Killericon]

I wouldn't take any DC over Coyer.

Monte Kiffin is the only one I think is superior.

The guy makes mistakes, but in the end, he's been running one of the most consistent Defenses in the league with a pedestrian line for a while now. I hate him at times for being stubborn, but I love the guy, all in all.

[Kaylore]

I don't understand how when we hold a team to 13 points on the road after turning the ball over three times, once in our own redzone, that threads like this can exist.

I'd also like to know why in the Cult of Plummer, Satan is Larry Coyer, and he must be used at all times to hide Jake's mistakes. Despite stopping the scoring and Jake turning the ball over, Alec yesterday was trying to argue that the defense was the problem because "they couldn't get good field position!"

You guys are pretty funny. We have guys playing hurt and four starters injured on that side of the ball. A healthy Jake Plummer with an improving offense plays like crap and you decide it's time to rip on Coyer.

The thread starter was being sarcastic when he made this thread, yet not surprisingly everyone piled on.

[fontaine]

Yes, Coyer lead a defense with three probowlers and solid supporting players, including DJ, Dwill and Durmevile against the worst offense in the NFL. As a result, that offense scored two points higher than their season average.


The offense gave up 3 turnovers and one on that neatly placed Oakland in the redzone. That same solid player, DJ, gave up a penalty where otherwise we would have held them to 3 but they got a TD on a short field. Take away that Plummer gift and we hold them to 6 or 9.

I'm not calling for Coyer's head, but don't blow things out of proportion here. Coyer got out called yesterday on nearly every down. Some examples:

I saw three times where Coyer called a weak side blitz and Oakland ran right, with great success. I saw twice where Coyer called an all-out blitz and the offense max protected.

Other observations includes the fact that our backups including Durmeveil did really well today in applying pressure in the four man front. I personally think we got an upgrade when some of those defense players went out, with maybe Gold as the exception.

What i want to see from Coyer is a good mix of plays and adjustments to what the offense is doing. He needs to fake his blitzes and give confusing looks to the young QB. Our defense is still simple, although i really like those 4 man loops Coyer's been running since the Indy game. It gives the other team some rushing yards, but has worked in passing downs.

Then go back and look at the game. In the 2nd half Coyer adjusted and we sent more blitzes with Lynch etc to attack Walter. The result was that we shut them out completely in the 2nd when our offense was still spluttering and forced two fumbles on their last two drives.

Yet people still say Coyer doesn't make adjustments. Give the guy some credit. Any time you hold a divisional rival on the road to just 13 points while your offense gives up 3 turnovers is amazing considering he was missing 3/4 starters (Gold, Brown, Ekuban, Brandon).

Or if you like, let me turn off my brain for a second and use the quote some have used for Plummer:

We're 7-2 so stop whining and get behind our starters and support Coyer!

[fontaine]

Ummm... I would switch up our defense to a 3-4 and invite a bunch of different guys in here over Coyer.

Yeah let's switch to a 3-4 and completely neuter our leading sack artists Lang (who SUCKED as a 3-4 LB), and Dumervil who's never played that position.

:thumbsup:

And let's get rid of that Coyer guy too! All he's done is create a defense (COMPLETELY altered from last year's blitzing D) that leads the NFL in scoring defense without the benefit of four starters, Brandon, Ekuban, Gold, Brown while our offense has turned the ball over at an amazing rate!

[fontaine]

I dont think our defensive line is all that talentless. Ekuban, Warren, Lang and Brown are 1st rounders. Engleberger was a 2nd round pick. Veal is better then expected, as is Dumerville. Burton and King are depth players.

:Broncos:

Ekuban is out, Warren has played but two bad toes, Brown didn't play at all, Lang is a 31 and impressed Cleveland so much they converted him to a LB and he got no other offers in free agency. Engleberger was let go by San Francisco. SAN FRANCISCO!

Veal, Burton, King (don't you mean Kenny peterson)?

I'll refer you to John Lynch's response when he said he didn't even KNOW THE NAMES OF SOME OF THESE GUYS AT DL.

When your probowl Safety who makes a living studying film and being a team leader says that, then well it says it all doesn't it?

I'm not Catholic but I got connections and I'm putting in a word for Larry Coyer for Sainthood.

[Taco John]

I'd also like to know why in the Cult of Plummer, Satan is Larry Coyer, and he must be used at all times to hide Jake's mistakes. Despite stopping the scoring and Jake turning the ball over, Alec yesterday was trying to argue that the defense was the problem because "they couldn't get good field position!"



I'm glad someone else finally noticed it. Apparently, the defenses job isn't to stop the opposing offenses from scoring. Apparently their job, instead, is to get good field position for our offense.

I hate to go to the "weak understanding of football" card, but that's exactly what that is. It's the special teams job to get the offense better field position, not the defenses. The defenses sole responsibility out there is to keep the other team from scoring. I've never seen, in all my life, a scene where the defense is holding other teams to one touchdown a game, but are being fingered for giving up field position, and people calling for the coordinator's head because he's not creative enough!

I just have to laugh and ignore it when people start calling for The DC's head because of field position battle, especially when the end results are one of the strongest red zone defenses in the game.

[TheReverend]

Tomlinson can't run on Denver.

[bpc]

First of all, you guys are talking about a hypothetical situation. Switching toa 3-4 won't happen but if we were going to make a adjustment to our team that was going to make us better for the future, it would be switching to a 3-4. Listen, I know its not a 1 or 2 year transition and we definitely don't have the talent to do it right now but if I was to pick what is best for our team, it would be this.

We are supposed to be built to beat Indy. Our defensive matchups with Indy is a joke. The only teams that can effectively matchup with Indy this year that have 4-3's are a healthy NYG or Chicago. Possibly Philly. Every other 4-3 will get raped. Our defense... RAPED. Again. Do I need to count the passing yards? 3-4's have way more success against Manning because you can mix up your blitzes. Not only that but it is much easier for a team in our position, picking usually 20-32 to find tweeners who would fit the scheme at those spots rather than true bad ass defensive lineman which you need to make a 4-3 dominate. We will never land any Julius' Peppers caliber players... no John Abraham type players. We just don't pick high enough.

We can't go the free agent route either because our front office doesn't like to overpay for defensive linemen. I can't blame them by that either.

All in all if we are being built to stop the Colts, this would be the defense we would use.

That being said we have 4-3. I'm fine with that, we just have to hope that somebody else takes out Peyton Manning before he gets his hands on our defense in the playoffs.

I personally thought we played a lot better on defense last year than we have this year. Call it what you will but we lost two of our three games last year by 4 or 5 points. We got caught offguard by the Steelers in the championship game but anybody with sense would know that they just got hot, and we were off all game, not just on defense. Our defense actually had a few chances to make plays in that 1st quarter which could have swung the momentum.

Listen, I like Coyer fine. There are some other guys out there though that I think are just as good or better for us. Not a knock on the guy, just my preference. I love aggressive defenses. I hate passive defenses that just sit back and get screwed.

Our run defense has not been that great this year. Not as it has before in the past. The next two games outcomes will come down to us stopping the run. If we can, I think we win. If we can't...

We might as well put Cutler in now and start looking to draft some defensive linemen in the offseason.

[fontaine]

First of all, you guys are talking about a hypothetical situation. Switching toa 3-4 won't happen but if we were going to make a adjustment to our team that was going to make us better for the future, it would be switching to a 3-4. Listen, I know its not a 1 or 2 year transition and we definitely don't have the talent to do it right now but if I was to pick what is best for our team, it would be this.

We are supposed to be built to beat Indy. Our defensive matchups with Indy is a joke. The only teams that can effectively matchup with Indy this year that have 4-3's are a healthy NYG or Chicago. Possibly Philly. Every other 4-3 will get raped. Our defense... RAPED. Again. Do I need to count the passing yards? 3-4's have way more success against Manning because you can mix up your blitzes. Not only that but it is much easier for a team in our position, picking usually 20-32 to find tweeners who would fit the scheme at those spots rather than true bad ass defensive lineman which you need to make a 4-3 dominate. We will never land any Julius' Peppers caliber players... no John Abraham type players. We just don't pick high enough.

We can't go the free agent route either because our front office doesn't like to overpay for defensive linemen. I can't blame them by that either.

All in all if we are being built to stop the Colts, this would be the defense we would use.


Have faith. We lost to the Colts by a mere field goal while we were missing Warren AND our DEs/DWill had a horrible game.

We take off more time off the clock in the end and the Colts would have lost.

Our defense had the worst game of the year and yet we still only lost by 3 points. We'll play better the next time. The Colts aren't unbeatable this year.

[bpc]

I have faith in Denver... I just don't know if we are there yet defensively.

I would like to think that we'll get some film with Manning and our defense will play better... however I feel compelled to believe the opposite to be true. I think Manning will see the same film and will be bound and determined to get more than 6 points in the first half of the next game.

Against the Colts, their biggest guys keep making plays and ours do not. This does not include Walker and Champ... just the rest.

[Mediator12]

First of all, you guys are talking about a hypothetical situation. Switching toa 3-4 won't happen but if we were going to make a adjustment to our team that was going to make us better for the future, it would be switching to a 3-4. Listen, I know its not a 1 or 2 year transition and we definitely don't have the talent to do it right now but if I was to pick what is best for our team, it would be this.

We are supposed to be built to beat Indy. Our defensive matchups with Indy is a joke. The only teams that can effectively matchup with Indy this year that have 4-3's are a healthy NYG or Chicago. Possibly Philly. Every other 4-3 will get raped. Our defense... RAPED. Again. Do I need to count the passing yards? 3-4's have way more success against Manning because you can mix up your blitzes. Not only that but it is much easier for a team in our position, picking usually 20-32 to find tweeners who would fit the scheme at those spots rather than true bad ass defensive lineman which you need to make a 4-3 dominate. We will never land any Julius' Peppers caliber players... no John Abraham type players. We just don't pick high enough.

We can't go the free agent route either because our front office doesn't like to overpay for defensive linemen. I can't blame them by that either.

All in all if we are being built to stop the Colts, this would be the defense we would use.

That being said we have 4-3. I'm fine with that, we just have to hope that somebody else takes out Peyton Manning before he gets his hands on our defense in the playoffs.

I personally thought we played a lot better on defense last year than we have this year. Call it what you will but we lost two of our three games last year by 4 or 5 points. We got caught offguard by the Steelers in the championship game but anybody with sense would know that they just got hot, and we were off all game, not just on defense. Our defense actually had a few chances to make plays in that 1st quarter which could have swung the momentum.

Listen, I like Coyer fine. There are some other guys out there though that I think are just as good or better for us. Not a knock on the guy, just my preference. I love aggressive defenses. I hate passive defenses that just sit back and get screwed.

Our run defense has not been that great this year. Not as it has before in the past. The next two games outcomes will come down to us stopping the run. If we can, I think we win. If we can't...

We might as well put Cutler in now and start looking to draft some defensive linemen in the offseason.

1. Who said this defense was built to beat INDY ??? I have seen this brandied about like it is the gospel, yet there is no way that this is even close to being true as the Only Way to beat INDY is to press cover and pressure Manning with the front four and Blitzes constantly. This team has no front four to beat INDY consistently.

2. No one likes a passive defense that I have ever seen. Defenses like to attack and fans like attacking defenses. However, to play that style there is a huge prerequisite. It's called a consistent push from the front four and excellent gap penetration on running downs. Ever seen that in Denver recently??? No. Me neither. So, they play a style that is the most effective for the personnel they have.

3. I think the defense has played more purposefully this year than last year. They have not given up anywhere near as many big plays as they did last year. All eight TD's have come from the Red Zone and they are number one in Red Zone TD % in the NFL after being 30th last year. They are top 3 in 3rd down conversion %. Where they have struggled is giving up a bunch of first downs on first and second down when other teams have thrown effectively. The DL is just not capable to play the run and get to the passer.

They have been much better when they have been "turned loose" as they said they would be in the offseason. But, they have also not had the Huge leads they had last year. Other teams have been able to continue to be balanced as the game has rarely been more than a TD lead. In fact, they have been even better in the first half this year in Points allowed than last year. When they have had the game on the line with the lead, they have produced much better in the pass rush. The lone exception was the Colts game where the front four took the day off.

[Rock Chalk]

Well, according to Champ, it was Coyers adjustements that made the difference against the Raiders. For all the yammering here about Coyer's inability to make adjustments, his players are always getting his back during press conferences.

Id agree with this for yesterday's game. First half game plan was not very good. They got the bulk of their yardage then. Second half adjustments were, ironically, superb. Id like to see more IN GAME adjustments in the first half, but he came through in the second half adjustments in two games in a row when he didnt make any adjustments in teh game prior to that.

Result = win.

[Mile High Shack]

Id agree with this for yesterday's game. First half game plan was not very good. They got the bulk of their yardage then. Second half adjustments were, ironically, superb. Id like to see more IN GAME adjustments in the first half, but he came through in the second half adjustments in two games in a row when he didnt make any adjustments in teh game prior to that.

Result = win.

doesn't hurt that we played against the worst offense in the league either

[BroncoSoja]

In the last five games, Tomlinson has 15 touchdowns.

In the last 6 games Rivers has thrown 10 TDs, just 2 ints.

SD is averaging 33 points per game, tops in the NFL.

Larry Coyer will be missing Brandon in the big nickel to cover Gates, Gold and Ekuban are probably out, Warren is playing with two bad toes, and Coyer has been forced to play practice squad players and stree free agents like Antwon Burton, and Kenny Peterson at the DL.

You guys might as well crucify Coyer now and blame him (just like you were blaming Coyer and his D in the faders game when they gave up 13) because with the amount of injuries on D, Coyer won't be able to totally shut down SD.

It's Coyer's fault.

Coyer is also personally responsible for Tatum's turf toes, Gold straining his hamstring, Plummer's ints, and ofcourse the war on Iraq.

Anything else?

I'll quote this agian for the idiots that don't seem to understand...


BTW, for the record.. I blame PLUMMER as always.

[bpc]

1. Who said this defense was built to beat INDY ??? I have seen this brandied about like it is the gospel, yet there is no way that this is even close to being true as the Only Way to beat INDY is to press cover and pressure Manning with the front four and Blitzes constantly. This team has no front four to beat INDY consistently.

2. No one likes a passive defense that I have ever seen. Defenses like to attack and fans like attacking defenses. However, to play that style there is a huge prerequisite. It's called a consistent push from the front four and excellent gap penetration on running downs. Ever seen that in Denver recently??? No. Me neither. So, they play a style that is the most effective for the personnel they have.

3. I think the defense has played more purposefully this year than last year. They have not given up anywhere near as many big plays as they did last year. All eight TD's have come from the Red Zone and they are number one in Red Zone TD % in the NFL after being 30th last year. They are top 3 in 3rd down conversion %. Where they have struggled is giving up a bunch of first downs on first and second down when other teams have thrown effectively. The DL is just not capable to play the run and get to the passer.

They have been much better when they have been "turned loose" as they said they would be in the offseason. But, they have also not had the Huge leads they had last year. Other teams have been able to continue to be balanced as the game has rarely been more than a TD lead. In fact, they have been even better in the first half this year in Points allowed than last year. When they have had the game on the line with the lead, they have produced much better in the pass rush. The lone exception was the Colts game where the front four took the day off.


I'm using what the media has quoted the players as saying... which is this defense was being built to stop Indy. My contention is that if that were true, they might as well have switched to a 3-4 which would have been a much better fit to stop them. As it is, I agree, the defensiveline is not up to par to stop Indy. Also, while our defensive points allowed have been better, I think our turnovers last season were far above where we are thus far this season. With that our offense has had more opportunities to score or get easy points which is why we were playing with the lead more often. A stat that we haven't seen thus far is that our defense probably has had about three or four TD's off turnovers by this time last year, also a factor of the blitzing we did. We have the same base players this year that we had last season, so I don't understand how the blitzes and attacking fronts that we used so often previously won't work now. ???

I firmly believe especially in our division, you must stop the run before all else. We have been softer there this season. We need to find a way to firm that up here in the next two weeks if we are even to have a chance to beat the Chargers and Chiefs on the road.

I'm a fan of bringing the heat, and we can and should from all over the field. Our defense in that setup might not be good enough to stop Pittsburgh but I like our chances against any other team in the AFC.

[broncosteven]

I was out sick yesterday but I did notice that there was a huge difference between the play of the D in Oakland in the 2nd half. Walter was not the same QB as he was early in the game & Denver's D actually forced Punts!

The blitzes at the end of the game to cause the 2 fumbles were icing.

As long as we have Jake at the helm we need the D to win those types of games. Until we get a stable, consistent QB the D will need to win a bunch of games for us.

I was impressed with the adjustments made at the half!

[SteveTensi13]

This is an over rated Defense. I wish we had Wade Phillips back. His defenses were always in attack mode. In 1989 when he took over from Joe Collier I believe his defense was ranked #1 in the AFC, talk about scrubs. We had Marc Mumford at LB for crying out loud!