BE HONEST - At what point did you scream "PUT IN CUTLER!"

[BroncoBuff]

At least 90 percent of us yelled the words "PUT IN CUTLER" at the TV today .... I just want to know when you did. It's understandable. Even though there was no wind in Oakland Sunday, several of Plummer's passes looked like they were thrown into gale-force shears.

I, for one, yelled "PUT IN CUTLER" after the third interception when I thought the game might be slipping away. I even thought I saw Shanny yell the word "JAY!" into his headset. But I did rescind the idea before the offense came back on the field. Y tu?

[footstepsfrom#27]

I think it was right before Janikowski kicked off to start the game if I'm not mistaken.

[BroncoBuff]

LOL Choice #4 then, sir.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Done

[Mile High Mojoe]

At least 90 percent of us yelled the words "PUT IN CUTLER" at the TV today .... I just want to know when you did. It's understandable. Even though there was no wind in Oakland Sunday, several of Plummer's passes looked like they were thrown into gale-force shears.

I, for one, yelled "PUT IN CUTLER" after the third interception when I thought the game might be slipping away. I even thought I saw Shanny yell the word "JAY!" into his headset. But I did rescind the idea before the offense came back on the field. Y tu?

Same here, after the thrid one I did say it. Jake looked like he couldn't throw a horse terd over an ant hill. When he did it was off target, underthrow, or overthrown, I thought he might miss the screen pass to Johnson.

The pained expression on Shanny's face was especially noticable when Jake struggled today , I thought his head might split wide open at any moment revealing a 3 million mega ton bomb mushroom cloud.

[watermock]

Where is the 4 weeks ago option?

[watermock]

I saw several throws that were so damn bad they couldn't even be intercepted.

It was like he was aiming at groundhogs. I mean...they were a full ten yards off target. He wasn't intercepted more because noone could get within 10 yards of those ducks.

I couldn't believe they gave him a 66 rating when he was simply horrible. Horrible.

The insane thing is that on those wild throws, if he only throws them a few yards off target, he throws 6 picks.

He was horrific.

I called for a pull 4 weeks ago but he had one great game and bought himself time. In all honesty, I felt after two decent weeks and a game against a poor Oakland team, he would keep building.

Unfortunately, it wasn't for the complete and utter incompetence of that offense, we would of lost.

Anyone who doesn't know that is kidding themselves.

[fatcard]

There is a little in all of us that wants to see Jay get out on the field and kick a$$.... but not quite yet.

[OrangeShadow]

i wasnt in the start jay camp at the start of the season but i am now. theres no way jake takes us to the SB

i meant to vote option 4

[watermock]

i wasnt in the start jay camp at the start of the season but i am now. theres no way jake takes us to the SB

I don't think more than a handfull were. I'm on record saying that "There is no QB controversy". I changed my mind 4 weeks ago. The amazing thing is right when Jake is about to be hooked for good, he puts up a great game, or pulls a few decent series out of his crack.

In Jakes defense, the whole team came out like they just got rolled out of bed after an all nighter. Oakland probably tainted the water somehow at the Hotel. We were shorthanded, but damn...act like you give a rat's ass.

You bank the W, but an effort like that isn't going to cut it against Sandy Eggo.

Other teams struggled to wins as well, but they weren't playing Oakland.

[-Slap-]

St Louis.

[chrisp]

Never actually got to see the game myself, just logged on to NFL.com afterwards and dropped my jaw at jake's stats - I was extremely disappointed, but I have to say that before this game I didn't think it was goign to be easy:

1) We were away from home
2) they hate us as much as we hate them - arguably moreso when we are doing so much better
3) they have a strong defense - their struggles are on offense (which makes for a tight low-scoring game regardless
4) they played us pretty tough at Mile high
5) we had a lot of guys out
6) it would have been easy for our guys to look past this game and get sloppy

so overall, its not a shock that things went the way that they did, and you could argue that team play overall definitely affected Plummer's performance

One more thing - whilst turnovers are crucial, and turnover differential often has a higher correlation with win'loss ratio than any other team ranking, sometimes in these types of low-scoring punt-punt-punt slugfests, the interceptions are little more than an early punt - especially when your special teams suck as much as ours do :-)

[Orange_Beard]

After that last pick against the Rams.

[defenseman]

At least 90 percent of us yelled the words "PUT IN CUTLER" at the TV today .... I just want to know when you did. It's understandable. Even though there was no wind in Oakland Sunday, several of Plummer's passes looked like they were thrown into gale-force shears.

I, for one, yelled "PUT IN CUTLER" after the third interception when I thought the game might be slipping away. I even thought I saw Shanny yell the word "JAY!" into his headset. But I did rescind the idea before the offense came back on the field. Y tu?

Didn't yell it once. However, didn't see the game...dman

[Mile High Shack]

o goodie
another Cutler/Jake post

[Paladin]

:deadhorse

Whooooo, boy. I never thought of that!!! Start Cutler? Whooooo!!! That sure would be interesting, no?

I hope you are starting Cutler on your Fantasy Football Team. He gonna score a TD anytime, now.

Wow! Imagine that.

Jeepers. That is a new idea, alright. Yep.

Another dumb poll.

[spdirty]

After the 3rd pick I REALLY THOUGHT Shanny might put Jay in after all the "experiments" he had with Meadows and Nash. And, I really wanted him in. Then after the touch, I yelled "alright Jake, I always knew you could do it!"

Hell after the punt return fumble I threw the keyboard, hit the wall, yelled "fck the team!" and went for a lil walk, only to come back seeing us at midfield and driving. This team is gonna drive me nuts man.

[12th man]

After the 3rd pick I REALLY THOUGHT Shanny might put Jay in after all the "experiments" he had with Meadows and Nash. And, I really wanted him in. Then after the touch, I yelled "alright Jake, I always knew you could do it!"

Hell after the punt return fumble I threw the keyboard, hit the wall, yelled "fck the team!" and went for a lil walk, only to come back seeing us at midfield and driving. This team is gonna drive me nuts man.

:rofl: :rofl: LOL ROFL! That's too funny.

I had a simular experience yesterday after Kircus fumbled. Just not as extreme as yours. I took my hat off my head in fustration and threw it at the wall and just yelled "What the ****!!"

I just can't beleive the offense played that terrible yesterday. It was like we were the Raiders. Just with the turnovers and kept them in the game and we just kept shooting ourselves in the foot.

But I"ll tell you what. For a team that had a few different players starting for us and us, on the road in a rival game, playing like poo with three TO's, says somthing. We are a very good team. The good teams find ways to win. we did that.

For the record, I never once called for Cutler.

[Dedhed]

It was the Celveland game where I jumped from the "Don't start Jay unless we're eliminated from the playoffs" bandwagon to the "Might as well give the kid some reps, because we're driving down a dead end road with Jake" bandwagon.

[spdirty]

:rofl: :rofl: LOL ROFL! That's too funny.

I had a simular experience yesterday after Kircus fumbled. Just not as extreme as yours. I took my hat off my head in fustration and threw it at the wall and just yelled "What the ****!!

man, penalties on punt returns are always on the receivn=ing team, and after that, I was sure the penalty was on us, so I just left without hearing the call. After I came back in I saw the score was still 13-7 and we were at midfield, I was like "WTF? Did we get a turnover back or something?" Then after we scored I was like "maybe I should take another walk", lol.


I just can't beleive the offense played that terrible yesterday. It was like we were the Raiders. Just with the turnovers and kept them in the game and we just kept shooting ourselves in the foot.

But I"ll tell you what. For a team that had a few different players starting for us and us, on the road in a rival game, playing like poo with three TO's, says somthing. We are a very good team. The good teams find ways to win. we did that.
Yeah man. Whenever you win a game you should lose, its just great. I love this dang team.

For the record, I never once called for Cutler.

Good. I really don't want Cutler to play this year. I just want Jake to play like he did last year. I want Cutler to sit on the bench this year, study the playbook, then next year he's ready to roll. Go Jake!

[ScottXray]

I never actually said it...but I thought it ...a lot.

Looks like Shanny is setting the stage. If Jake craps the bed next week (he won't if he follows his pattern) then Coach has already set the stage....Poor play equals a benching. If Jake keeps playing like yesterday San Diego wins the division and KC the wild card.

Maybe that is why Jake played poorly yesterday. Shanahan made him think he might be next , and he responded as usual..with fear and a poor performance. I'm sick of excuses ...the Offensive line, the Running backs, the NEW recievers, the no one is on the same page, type of stuff that a few people have been spewing on this board since the St Louis game.

Jake Plummer is supposed to be the ON field LEADER of this team. Having a bad game every few games is possibly acceptable. Having three FAIR games and Five BAD games out of eight is NOT acceptable! Although he is backed up by a rookie, and we are in the hunt for the playoffs, a division championship, and a possible super bowl bid, Jake Plummer has EARNED a benching.
I wish Shanahan would quit pussy footing around and just do it.:welcome:

[jonny1]

Jake didn't have a bad game, he had a bad half.

10 points in the 2nd half with NO running game.

[BroncoFanCam]

I saw several throws that were so damn bad they couldn't even be intercepted.

It was like he was aiming at groundhogs. I mean...they were a full ten yards off target. He wasn't intercepted more because noone could get within 10 yards of those ducks.

I couldn't believe they gave him a 66 rating when he was simply horrible. Horrible.

The insane thing is that on those wild throws, if he only throws them a few yards off target, he throws 6 picks.

He was horrific.

I called for a pull 4 weeks ago but he had one great game and bought himself time. In all honesty, I felt after two decent weeks and a game against a poor Oakland team, he would keep building.

Unfortunately, it wasn't for the complete and utter incompetence of that offense, we would of lost.

Anyone who doesn't know that is kidding themselves.My sentiments, to a "T"...

I don't know what all of these "rainbows and ponies" people are thinking, to blindly carry on about "We are 7-2, rejoice Broncoland!" Is ignorant... This team has issues unseen in a VERY long time, exacerbated by the fact that our QB couldn't hit the Goodyear blimp from 10 yards out.

No way in hell Cutler does any worse than Jake has this season, he has been horrific... PERIOD.

12 turnovers, 10 td's, 29th passer rating - unacceptable.

[crowebomber]

Our receivers have bailed Jake out too many times. He has even admitted that occasionally he just chucks the ball up in Javon's direction and trusts he'll come down with it. And it totally appears like that whenever Jake throws in his direction. I just can't imagine that Cutler could be any worse.

[Meck77]

Never did.......Shanny knows where Cutler's progress is and NOBODY else here does. Like I said in another post I'm actually starting to be a bit concerned that our wonder boy isn't as prepared as the "experts" think around here otherwise he probably would have gotten the nod in this game. Jay can sit til next year as far as I'm concerned.

[Barry Ramey]

If Cutler was a veteran QB, then maybe I'd feel differently. Putting a rookie QB in at this point in time is stupid IMO unless there is an injury and I don't doubt there are "fans" hoping Plummer gets hurt since for them, it's more important that Cutler play than the Broncos win. Every Bronco wins means less chance for Cutler.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Never did.......Shanny knows where Cutler's progress is and NOBODY else here does. .

Dat's da truth.

[Dagmar]

To be 100% honest it was when the "4th" pick, that should have been a pick, happened.

[BroncoFanCam]

Never did.......Shanny knows where Cutler's progress is and NOBODY else here does. Like I said in another post I'm actually starting to be a bit concerned that our wonder boy isn't as prepared as the "experts" think around here otherwise he probably would have gotten the nod in this game. Jay can sit til next year as far as I'm concerned.Shanny is having a spell of deja-vu.

Last time he pulled the vet in favor of the youngster, we got Griesefied.

I think he feels he owes Jake something, bringing him here, and giving him so much backing since being here. Using teh team's record as an excuse to keep him in there. Once that position slips, the change will be made, and we could slip a heck of a lot in teh next 4 weeks if Jake keeps playing like he's in pop-warner.

You gys can harp all you want about "he knows Jay isn't ready", but last we heard Jay was excelling in every phase of the position, he would have had to SERIOUSLY regress to perform as badly as Jake does week in, and week out.

[Dedhed]

Jake didn't have a bad game, he had a bad half.

10 points in the 2nd half with NO running game.

NO running game b/c no DC has any respect for Jake.

[BroncoFanCam]

NO running game b/c no DC has any respect for Jake.Hammer on the nail-head.

If Jake had shown even the slightest ability to toss the pig, AT ALL this season, we might have something of a running game.

Struggling QB = Make him beat you.

Jake has struggled all season long and has given nothing to show that is going to change.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

You gys can harp all you want about "he knows Jay isn't ready", but last we heard Jay was excelling in every phase of the position, he would have had to SERIOUSLY regress to perform as badly as Jake does week in, and week out.
The why, according to reports from reporters close to the team, is Cutler not getting any reps with the first string during practice?

[sisterhellfyre]

The why, according to reports from reporters close to the team, is Cutler not getting any reps with the first string during practice?

Bleh. Very few second-string QBs get snaps with the first team during practice in the regular season. We've heard it a hundred times from backups starting because of a QB injury: "It's tough getting ready without that first string work, but you just have to prepare yourself like you're one hit from going in."

Regards,
m.

[BroncoFanCam]

The why, according to reports from reporters close to the team, is Cutler not getting any reps with the first string during practice?What reports? I haven't seen any reports of that.

And maybe because Jake has proven REPEATEDLY that he needs as much help and practice as he can get.

Not to mention teh blow to your "starters" ego if teh rookie stats warming up with teh first team. As if he isn't already fragile enough, you want to go and get in his face... "Do it, or he will."

That me be fine and grand for a struggling o-lineman, but not the most important position on the field. You don't want to give him confidence issues on top of his already severly lacking physical problems.

Sooner or later Mike will have had enough, and it isn't far away.

[Garcia Bronco]

the thought never even crossed my mind

[-Slap-]

:deadhorse

Whooooo, boy. I never thought of that!!! Start Cutler? Whooooo!!! That sure would be interesting, no?

I hope you are starting Cutler on your Fantasy Football Team. He gonna score a TD anytime, now.

Wow! Imagine that.

Jeepers. That is a new idea, alright. Yep.

Another dumb poll.

You would have just as much chance of winning your fantasy league starting Cutler at quarterback as you would starting Plummer.

[watermock]

I think people are aware, and so is Shanahan, the risks of putting in Cutler. The apologists act like we don't understand the dangers.

If your afraid to take risks, we would still be sitting in England or getting cut up on Omaha beach.

They almost pulled out and concentrated on Utah beach, but an Admiral took two destroyers and let them scrape bottom and pounded. He basically said..."If we ground, we will just fight it out from there"...

You could take that two ways. you could call it staying the course to keep the landing going, or you could say the Admiral made a change of tactics...or both.

Maybe we need to change our tactics before we yank Jake, but I think we allready have. The problem is that instead of getting more agressive like those destroyers 500 yards off shore, we seem to be moving in the opposite direction, in a retreat of an agressive offense.

Speaking of destroyers, one is coming into New Mile High by the name of LT2.

I feel like a German in a pill box seeing the horizon black with ships. This team has serious holes. At RB, QB (fixable) and DL.

[BroncoFanCam]

You would have just as much chance of winning your fantasy league starting Cutler at quarterback as you would starting Plummer.

Reading this, it is...

A) Sad.
B) True.

What's worse?

[Crushaholic]

Never did. Once again, Plummer got his poise back and led us to a victory...:strong:

[-Slap-]

Without question, the most senseless argument for not starting Cutler is that "Shanahan doesn't want to repeat what happened with Griese."

In case nobody noticed, Bubby Brister went on to never start another game in the NFL. Shanahan basically had no choice but to bench him because he was too busy boozing it up to study his playbook.

[Garcia Bronco]

You would have just as much chance of winning your fantasy league starting Cutler at quarterback as you would starting Plummer.

good thing a real live NFL football game isn't fantasy football.

[BroncoFanCam]

good thing a real live NFL football game isn't fantasy football.But your partner in crime was just saying how much bearing it had???

(i.e. Cutler not winning you any points in FF = Cutler is no good.)

[DenverBrit]

Does anyone really think that Shanny would have Cutler holding the clipboard if he thought putting him
in would improve the offensive and meet the approval of the vets?

The offense is struggling everywhere:

Plummer is inconsistent, throwing picks without pressure.

The run game is missing a go-to, every down back with power, and
scares no one. It's now much harder for play-action and bootlegs to work.

The TE's had disappeared until Scheffler was benched and the
usual suspects reinstalled into the passing game yesterday.

The O line is missing a consistent right Tackle, hopefully Meadows is the answer.
Pears seems to be filling in nicely for Lepsis.

Field position is terrible. The not-so-special team play is just awful; the offense is driving from inside
the 20 way too much. How long will Ronnie Bradford keep HIS job?

All in all, there have been enough new faces on offense and experiments with different players this season,
on the O and special teams, to account for the inconsistencies. But not all of them. If Cutler were a vet, he would be in by now.
Shannahan is trying to adjust the play-calling to paper over the cracks.

Good Jake needs to turn up for the rest of the season.

[g00fyfoot]

I don't think it's in the team's best interest to put in Cutler at this stage of the season. It's too late really, we have a slew of high-pressure important games coming up and a 7-2 record to defend. It wouldn't be fair to throw him in there now, to him or us. We'll just ride the Plummer train as far as it will take us, thank him for everything and move on next year probably. And who knows, maybe we'll get lucky. There's nothing else to do.

[~Crash~]

Never actually got to see the game myself, just logged on to NFL.com afterwards and dropped my jaw at jake's stats - I was extremely disappointed, but I have to say that before this game I didn't think it was goign to be easy:

1) We were away from home
2) they hate us as much as we hate them - arguably moreso when we are doing so much better
3) they have a strong defense - their struggles are on offense (which makes for a tight low-scoring game regardless
4) they played us pretty tough at Mile high
5) we had a lot of guys out
6) it would have been easy for our guys to look past this game and get sloppy

so overall, its not a shock that things went the way that they did, and you could argue that team play overall definitely affected Plummer's performance

One more thing - whilst turnovers are crucial, and turnover differential often has a higher correlation with win'loss ratio than any other team ranking, sometimes in these types of low-scoring punt-punt-punt slugfests, the interceptions are little more than an early punt - especially when your special teams suck as much as ours do :-)

I like your take people need to understand that bad teams manurfacture wins and art shell is not that bad of a coach he IMO has that team going in the right direction . they have not gave up.the O is a bit to be desired but that can be fixed with a QB and work on the O-line next year will be damn tuff to get 2 wins against them

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

What reports? I haven't seen any reports of that.


Sooner or later Mike will have had enough, and it isn't far away.

Gary Miller has reported it on his post game comments the last three weeks along with Dave Logan.

Anyone who thinks the coaches are not playing the players that they believe give them the best chance to win has their head up their azz.

If Jake was as much of the problem as many here think and Cutler was a better option, he would be in the game.

There is another possibility here. Maybe instead of the next Elway, the coaching staff is realizing they have the next Kyle Boller. The similarities are there - strong armed QB from an academic school that came out of no where and shot up the draft boards. Played great in his first preseason. Bronocs tried to trade for Boller, too. I hope to hell that is not the case, but we have no proof that it is not.

[sisterhellfyre]

(snipped for emphasis)
- The offense is struggling everywhere:
- Plummer is inconsistent, throwing picks without pressure.
- The run game is missing a go-to back with power.
- The TE's had disappeared.
- The O line is missing a consistent right Tackle.
- Field position is terrible.
- The not-so-special team play is just awful.


And of such things are most seasons made for most football teams. It's an odd game filled with fallible players and a weirdly-shaped "ball" that bounces with a mind of its own.

We're spoiled as Bronco fans. Dream seasons like the '98 Elway-Davis-Sharpe-Smith juggernaut come along once in a lifetime. Take a look at the other "dynasties" of 10 years ago, or even the Rams of 5 years ago: what have they done for us lately?

The 49ers got really lucky when Young succeeded Montana: they got to have several offensive dream seasons back to back to back. Before them, I think it's arguable that no team had put together a comparable series of league-dominating offensive performances since Cleveland in the early '50s.

If Shanahan keeps tinkering and adding pieces to his Broncos machine, who knows? Shannon Sharpe's Ferrari may run again, driven by Cutler, Walker, Scheffler, and [?] TBA.

Regards,
m.

[Meck77]

I think he feels he owes Jake something, bringing him here, and giving him so much backing since being here.

Yeah ok dude. How about reality now.

Shanny is in charge of a BILLION dollar operation. His goal per the owner is to win games and get this team to the playoffs to keep the stadium filled and revenues coming in with the hopes of a Superbowl victory.

Bowlen doesn't give a flying **** about any "warm fuzzy feelings" Shanny might owe Jake because of some weenie named Griese.

It's so easy for us basement dwellers to think we know what is going on but if Bowlen (not Shanny) wanted Cutler in he'd be in. So as you scream at your TV and think the Broncos don't know as much as you do you may want to consider who is paying the bills of the players and who is ultimately incharge. Don't give me the BS that this is Shanny's team either because it's Bowlens and Shanny is just an employee punching the clock.

So with all that being said next time you want Cutler in the game start emailing Bowlen or try giving him a call.

[Meck77]

I think he feels he owes Jake something, bringing him here, and giving him so much backing since being here.

Yeah ok dude. How about reality now.

Shanny is in charge of a BILLION dollar operation. His goal per the owner is to win games and get this team to the playoffs to keep the stadium filled and revenues coming in with the hopes of a Superbowl victory.

Bowlen doesn't give a flying **** about any "warm fuzzy feelings" Shanny might owe Jake because of some weenie named Griese.

It's so easy for us basement dwellers to think we know what is going on but if Bowlen (not Shanny) wanted Cutler in he'd be in. So as you scream at your TV and think the Broncos don't know as much as you do you may want to consider who is paying the bills of the players and who is ultimately incharge. Don't give me the BS that this is Shanny's team either because it's Bowlens and Shanny is just an employee punching the clock.

So with all that being said next time you want Cutler in the game start emailing Bowlen or try giving him a call. lol

[XXXII&III]

We are all dorks posting on a message board. Not an NFL coach among us. And not a college coach, either. Why people are convinced they know better than Bowlen and Shanahan is beyond me.

[kamakazi_kal]

does anyone in the league throw a crappier deep ball.........

even my wife asks ."why wont he just throw the ball away?, who the hell is he throwing too"

[Popps]

Never did.......Shanny knows where Cutler's progress is and NOBODY else here does. Like I said in another post I'm actually starting to be a bit concerned that our wonder boy isn't as prepared as the "experts" think around here otherwise he probably would have gotten the nod in this game. Jay can sit til next year as far as I'm concerned.

Shanahan knows what he's got in Plummer. We've seen this before. Jake throws a few stupid passes, then gets his head on straight and puts points on the board.

Honestly, I was never really that worried about losing this game. I figured this team would scrap it out. Now, had it been the Colts we were playing and he played that way, sure... we would have gotten blasted.

I was bummed when he threw the picks, but not all that worried. Figured he'd pull it together enough to win, and he did.

[sisterhellfyre]

We are all dorks posting on a message board. Not an NFL coach among us. And not a college coach, either.

Dorks? [LOL] Speak for yourself, Sparky...

(Tho also not a football coach.)

Regards,
m.

[dbroncos31]

You would have just as much chance of winning your fantasy league starting Cutler at quarterback as you would starting Plummer.
Interestingly enough, I have Plummer starting every game this year for one of my fantasy teams and I am about to be 8-2. So, actually, I think Plumnmer gives me a better shot than Cutler. Sorry.

[-Slap-]

Interestingly enough, I have Plummer starting every game this year for one of my fantasy teams and I am about to be 8-2. So, actually, I think Plumnmer gives me a better shot than Cutler. Sorry.

Sorry, I should have made an exception for free Yahoo leagues contested solely by mental patients.

Kudos!

[-Slap-]

Gary Miller has reported it on his post game comments the last three weeks along with Dave Logan.

Anyone who thinks the coaches are not playing the players that they believe give them the best chance to win has their head up their azz.

If Jake was as much of the problem as many here think and Cutler was a better option, he would be in the game.

There is another possibility here. Maybe instead of the next Elway, the coaching staff is realizing they have the next Kyle Boller. The similarities are there - strong armed QB from an academic school that came out of no where and shot up the draft boards. Played great in his first preseason. Bronocs tried to trade for Boller, too. I hope to hell that is not the case, but we have no proof that it is not.

Let's add Cutler to the list of people or things who are to blame instead of Jake Plummer.

Jake Plummer's Big List 'O Excuses
Jay Cutler
Creaky old Rod Smith
Javon Walker (according to BMF Bronco)
The offensive line
The running game
The defense
Heimerdinger
The gameplan
Unsupportive fans
The new NBA basketball
The sun was in his eyes
Some of the Raider players were shoving us

[Falconer]

Gary Miller has reported it on his post game comments the last three weeks along with Dave Logan.

Anyone who thinks the coaches are not playing the players that they believe give them the best chance to win has their head up their azz.

If Jake was as much of the problem as many here think and Cutler was a better option, he would be in the game.

There is another possibility here. Maybe instead of the next Elway, the coaching staff is realizing they have the next Kyle Boller. The similarities are there - strong armed QB from an academic school that came out of no where and shot up the draft boards. Played great in his first preseason. Bronocs tried to trade for Boller, too. I hope to hell that is not the case, but we have no proof that it is not.

I think that comparing Cutler at this point to Boller is just as crazy as thinking he would lead us to the Superbowl this year. To say that we have no proof is like saying we have no proof he isn't an All Pro. Until he actually takes the field during a regular season game I think I will reserve my judgement.

I have felt all along that unless we have a losing record we would stick with Plummer. After this last week with all the changes, I am not sure about that. However, I would still be surprised to see Cutler take the field this year.

[freak6]

<b>no one</b> really knows what Cutler will do.

Jay Cutler is not an upgrade and he'd make MORE mistakes than Jake.

I am so sick of the excuses. Cutler would be worse. Jake doesn't have the chemistry yet. It's the running games fault when it is actually the opposite. It's Coyer's fault, because he allowed the Raiders to move the ball, and then pin us with the great punt.

Everyone making these excuses for Plummer has thier head in the sand, and is completely irrational.

Evolution is a fact. Wake the ____ up!!!

[sirhcyennek81]

I dont think Cutler could have done anything differently yesterday. Broncos had just faced the Colts, and the Steelers, in back to back weeks, the team looked flat early on, on both sides of the ball. It was a fortunate win, but it was a win. SD is next.

:Broncos:

[freak6]

I dont think Cutler could have done anything differently yesterday. Broncos had just faced the Colts, and the Steelers, in back to back weeks, the team looked flat early on, on both sides of the ball. It was a fortunate win, but it was a win. SD is next.

:Broncos:

You don't think Cutler could have thrown those passes better, or made better decisions with the ball, and NOT thrown 4 ints?

You DON'T think he could have done ANYTHING differently? Jay Cutler is very different from Jake, better arm, more accurate, better timing, quicker release, and pathetically can read a defense better than our 11 year vet.

[2KBack]

You don't think Cutler could have thrown those passes better, or made better decisions with the ball, and NOT thrown 4 ints?

You DON'T think he could have done ANYTHING differently? Jay Cutler is very different from Jake, better arm, more accurate, better timing, quicker release, and pathetically can read a defense better than our 11 year vet.

I can 100% gaurantee that Cutler will throw 1, 2, 3, even 4 ints in a gme during his career.

All the focus on what jake does wrong, and then proposing that Cutler could make the same mistakes, just doesn't make sense. The difference between a rookie making these mistakes, and then Jake, is that we know for a fact that Jake can fight back from them. We don't know how Cutler is going to react to a defense teeing off on a rookie, we don't know if he will wilt after a couple picks. We KNOW that jake will fight through bad games. That's why he is in there. Yes Jake is playing poorly during stretches, I'm not saying it is anything but Jake. At the same time I feel like he will make up for it during the course of the game, I know he isn't going to give up. I'm not conifidant in a rookie doing the same thing...not yet.

[Meck77]

Let's add Cutler to the list of people or things who are to blame instead of Jake Plummer.

Jake Plummer's Big List 'O Excuses
Jay Cutler
Creaky old Rod Smith
Javon Walker (according to BMF Bronco)
The offensive line
The running game
The defense
Heimerdinger
The gameplan
Unsupportive fans
The new NBA basketball
The sun was in his eyes
Some of the Raider players were shoving us

Ok slap then who do you blame for Jake not being benched?

Shanny?
Sundquist?
Bowlen?
Maybe it's the fault of the 70+ thousand season tix holders who aren't booing enough?

Seriously I'd like your take or anyone elses for that matter.

We've been having this debate of why Jay isn't starting since the draft. Let's shift the focus on why Jay "should" be in the game to who IS making the decision on why Jay ISN'T in the game.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I think that comparing Cutler at this point to Boller is just as crazy as thinking he would lead us to the Superbowl this year. .

I am not saying Cutler is Boller, Falcon. I am saying we don't know.

I'm not in the Jake is infallible or the Jake must go crowd. I am in the "In Shanahan We Trust" group.

[Turf Shaman]

I never screamed that, but I did think "Can't wait 'til next year". And no, I don't think Cutler will be instantly mistake free. He will throw picks because he makes bad reads, but I don't think his accuracy will be as maddeningly inaccurate as Jake's. So many of Jake's picks this season have been because he just couldn't put the ball in the right place. And how many incompletions have there been because of that?

When Cutler makes mistakes early in his career, I'll cut him some slack because he's young and he has to learn. But Jake has had 11 seasons, 4 with the Broncos. He's never going to be better than this. He'll have better games, but he'll always be helter skelter. I'm glad the future of this franchise doesn't rest on his shoulders.

[-Slap-]

Had Kyle Boller been coached by Shanny and Kubiak for the last three years, he would be outplaying Plummer, too.

[-Slap-]

Ok slap then who do you blame for Jake not being benched?

Shanny?
Sundquist?
Bowlen?
Maybe it's the fault of the 70+ thousand season tix holders who aren't booing enough?

Seriously I'd like your take or anyone elses for that matter.

We've been having this debate of why Jay isn't starting since the draft. Let's shift the focus on why Jay "should" be in the game to who IS making the decision on why Jay ISN'T in the game.

I don't think that's the real Shanahan.

http://www.sfist.com/attachments/sfist_chuck/bodysnatchers.jpg

[Meck77]

I don't think that's the real Shanahan.

http://www.sfist.com/attachments/sfist_chuck/bodysnatchers.jpg

Wow never thought I'd see you at a loss for words.:~ohyah!: No secret you are pissed off about Jake not being benched. Where do you place that blame?

[Bronco Bob]

Maybe we should fire Shanahan and hire a coach who will put Cutler in.
Is Bill Callahan still available?

[Sodak]

I am so sick of the excuses. Cutler would be worse. Jake doesn't have the chemistry yet. It's the running games fault when it is actually the opposite. It's Coyer's fault, because he allowed the Raiders to move the ball, and then pin us with the great punt.

Everyone making these excuses for Plummer has thier head in the sand, and is completely irrational.

Evolution is a fact. Wake the ____ up!!!

Right, I haven't seen anyone comment on Tatum falling down every time he reaches the line of scrimmage. Just pathetic.

[sirhcyennek81]

You don't think Cutler could have thrown those passes better, or made better decisions with the ball, and NOT thrown 4 ints?

You DON'T think he could have done ANYTHING differently? Jay Cutler is very different from Jake, better arm, more accurate, better timing, quicker release, and pathetically can read a defense better than our 11 year vet.

Sorry. How many professional wins does Jay Cutler have? How many passes has he completed this season? He looked good in preseason. Preseason. Cutler would not have done anything differently. You would be asking a rookie QB to beat a team determined to take the run away. Broncos still won, not because of our run game, but because of a drive, directed by Plummer, on which he was perfect passing the football. I dont get the apathy some fans have for a quarterback who in his time here has a 75% winning percentage.

:Broncos:

[Dedhed]

Does anyone really think that Shanny would have Cutler holding the clipboard if he thought putting him
in would improve the offensive and meet the approval of the vets? It's that latter, and only the latter, that is keeping Plummer off the bench. That's not going to last through any more losses.

The offense is struggling everywhere:

Plummer is inconsistent, throwing picks without pressure.Remember this as "exhibit A" asI go on.

The run game is missing a go-to, every down back with power, and
scares no one. It's now much harder for play-action and bootlegs to work.Every defense we've faced since week 3 has stacked the box b/c they have no fear of Jake at all. "Stop Denver's running game, and we win". Exhibit A


The TE's had disappeared until Scheffler was benched and the
usual suspects reinstalled into the passing game yesterday. The usual suspects are found within 5 yards of the LOS, at the very border of Jake's range. Scheffler stretches the field for a TE, and Jake can't get the ball to him in traffic there. Exhibit A.

The O line is missing a consistent right Tackle, hopefully Meadows is the answer. Wasn't our RT the same guy last year who protected "No Mistake"?
Pears seems to be filling in nicely for Lepsis.True

Field position is terrible. The not-so-special team play is just awful; the offense is driving from inside the 20 way too much. When 3 and outs are the rule rather than the exception, you're going to lose the field position battle. It's simple. Exhibit A.

All in all, there have been enough new faces on offense and experiments with different players this season,
on the O and special teams, to account for the inconsistencies. But not all of them. If Cutler were a vet, he would be in by now.
Shannahan is trying to adjust the play-calling to paper over the cracks.

Good Jake needs to turn up for the rest of the season.Aren't there a few new faces for Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, Damon Huard, etc? Oh right, but they don't need excuses; I forgot.

[Old Dude]

Shanahan knows what he's got in Plummer. We've seen this before. Jake throws a few stupid passes, then gets his head on straight and puts points on the board.

Honestly, I was never really that worried about losing this game. I figured this team would scrap it out. Now, had it been the Colts we were playing and he played that way, sure... we would have gotten blasted.

I was bummed when he threw the picks, but not all that worried. Figured he'd pull it together enough to win, and he did.

Pretty much ditto, right down the line. I knew the Raiders have a decent D, and that this game would be closer than it should have been. I knew Jake would have some good plays and some awful ones. I knew the Raiders would eventually fall apart with horrible protection in front of a novice QB trying to execute slow-developing pass plays.

Honestly, I think that Shanny was so certain of a win yesterday that he spent most of the game experimenting with subs at various spots. It was practically a preseason game.

Next week, we'll see a real game.

[dsmoot]

Never did.......Shanny knows where Cutler's progress is and NOBODY else here does. Like I said in another post I'm actually starting to be a bit concerned that our wonder boy isn't as prepared as the "experts" think around here otherwise he probably would have gotten the nod in this game. Jay can sit til next year as far as I'm concerned.

I absolutely agree ... Shanahan does know and I don't. I am not concerned about his progress to the point he is not playing. The fact is ... we have a very good team with a starting QB that has been quite successful since he has been here. There is a big difference in defenses during the regular season that Jay has not seen, nor have we seen him perform against them. I keep all of this in the back of my mind while watching Jake throw 3 interceptions, not tipped balls, but just poor decisions for any 10 yr veteran. It is one thing to sit George Foster but quite a different matter to insert an untested but obviouly talented young QB while your team is 7-2.

Let's face it, in four weeks we will know for sure how far this team is going and how soon we will see Jay Cutler. This is the season right now. To date, we have only earned the right to be considered.

[Merlin]

Anyone who thinks the coaches are not playing the players that they believe give them the best chance to win has their head up their azz...If Jake was as much of the problem as many here think and Cutler was a better option, he would be in the game.
I just love the comments of hypocrites such as Kaylore, who challenge anyone who would question Shanny's decision on RBs, but then he, the great jewelry salesman, knows better than Shanny which QB should be out there. Lets see, Shanny has led every QB he has coached to the pro-bowl and is well recognized as one of the best football offensive minds in the world, and Kaylore is lucky if he has ever sold a jewelery piece to any pro-bowl player, but he knows best. At least the joke at fireshanny.com shows a little more consistency on his takes (as idiotic as they may be).

[fontaine]

Ok slap then who do you blame for Jake not being benched?

Shanny?
Sundquist?
Bowlen?
Maybe it's the fault of the 70+ thousand season tix holders who aren't booing enough?

Seriously I'd like your take or anyone elses for that matter.

Ok, I genuinely believe Jake is still the starter for one single reason: We're 7-2 and winning with crappy QB play.

Putting in a rookie would be no different. Cutler would most likely struggle, just as Plummer has been, especially since our running game has been slowed by injuries to Lepsis/Bell.

So why screw with Chemistry and put in a rookie while we're winning.

I think he's right. But THAT'S NO EXCUSE FOR PLUMMER'S DUMB A$$ MISTAKES.

As I said before, I'm through with this. I love this team and I'm going to support everyone but that doesn't mean Plummer get's a free pass when he throws 3 ints.

This is why I'm so disapointed with people here who are quick to blame Coyer. It's because of this defense we've won most of our games, and why Plummer is the starter.

If our defense was as erratic as our offense and Plummer then we would be under .500 and Cutler would have gotten the start a while ago.

[jonny1]

I dont get the apathy some fans have for a quarterback who in his time here has a 75% winning percentage.
:Broncos:

Apathy? Try "hate, derision, dislike, disgust, anger . . ."

I am constantly amazed at the bile poured out around here for a guy that does everything he can to win games for his team. Doesn't have the greatest arm in the world, so they want to shoot him, I guess because it's his fault. Makes mistakes (they are all perfect, I guess), they want him drawn and quartered. And the ever present "Don't bring up his winning percentage to me!" argument, which really makes me laugh. Yeah, who cares about winning.

The season is a waste, no chance for the Super Bowl, if Cutler doesn't play this year, they will never, ever again have a chance to go the the playoffs, and so on, and so on.

Jake hits Javon IN STRIDE for the first TD, but that's because JW is a playmaker. Jake hits 11 passes in a row, but the team is winning in spite of him.

I just don't get it. 75% winning percentage.

Well, you all will have your wish (most likely) next year. I am as excited about Cutler as anyone (living in Nashville, I know what a bright future he has), but HE IS NOT THE QB this year, and he is not going to be unless Jake stinks it up enough to lose a couple of games to keep them out of the playoffs. And so far, he has only lost (arguably) one game for the team.

You guys should be yelling at Shanahan, he is the one 'keeping' Cutler on the bench.

[BroncoInSkinland]

I admit, the second interception got me. I screamed. I ranted. I held my head in an effort to keep the throbbing vein from popping out of my forehead and spurting blood onto the plasma screen.

Then I took a deep breath. And I watched as we squeaked our way to another victory. A 7-2 victory. A tied for top of the division victory. I noticed we are on a very good course for #2 seed if we pull out 2 of 3 wins in the SD games or KC @ KC. I noticed that if Indy chokes in the playoffs again we could have home field throughout.

Even if we don't clinch the division (which I believe we will), we are almost a lock for a wildcard short of a total meltdown. You know, the kind of meltdown a rookie could lead us into. The kind of meltdown that could ruin our franchise QB for future seasons.

So, in the end, I drank a couple more beers. I smiled as I went to bed after another win. I thought about how lucky I was to be following a winning team while all the Redskins fans around me watched their season end. And I wondered if next week Jake will make the aneurysm happen.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Apathy? Try "hate, derision, dislike, disgust, anger . . ."

I am constantly amazed at the bile poured out around here for a guy that does everything he can to win games for his team. Doesn't have the greatest arm in the world, so they want to shoot him, I guess because it's his fault. Makes mistakes (they are all perfect, I guess), they want him drawn and quartered. And the ever present "Don't bring up his winning percentage to me!" argument, which really makes me laugh. Yeah, who cares about winning.

The season is a waste, no chance for the Super Bowl, if Cutler doesn't play this year, they will never, ever again have a chance to go the the playoffs, and so on, and so on.

Jake hits Javon IN STRIDE for the first TD, but that's because JW is a playmaker. Jake hits 11 passes in a row, but the team is winning in spite of him.

I just don't get it. 75% winning percentage.

Well, you all will have your wish (most likely) next year. I am as excited about Cutler as anyone (living in Nashville, I know what a bright future he has), but HE IS NOT THE QB this year, and he is not going to be unless Jake stinks it up enough to lose a couple of games to keep them out of the playoffs. And so far, he has only lost (arguably) one game for the team.

You guys should be yelling at Shanahan, he is the one 'keeping' Cutler on the bench.

This winning percentage stat makes me want to puke orange fluff balls. Yes we have won games but I think there are some fans who would like a Super Bowl win. We can win more games with Jake but who cares if it doesn't get us a Championship?

To me the owners, the coaches, the players and the fans who follow their team should expect no less. The ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl and get the ring. The bar has been raised since we finally got one, if that makes me a bad fan than I guess I am.

If you were playing a pick up game of football on a school playground and had the choice between Cutler or Plummer, you'd pick Cutler everytime. I don't know why Shanny hasn't made the change if he's willing to put guys like Foster and Mike Bell on the inactive list. Frankly I don't understand some of the Coaching decisions he makes, it doesn't mean that I'm smarter than Shanny, but I have a right as a fan to question it. Shanny is brilliant but he's got an ego and an opinion just like you and I do. It doesn't mean that just because he is brilliant that his judgement can't be questioned or maybe just maybe he could be just flat wrong can it?

Do you really believe in your heart of hearts Jake can lead this team to Super Bowl and win it? The Cutler debate aside, the winning % aside does anyone really believe that? To me this continued coddling of Jake is a farce, to me he's a 98 pound weakling running for his life hoping and praying that someone won't discover he is a complete fraud.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Interestingly enough, I have Plummer starting every game this year for one of my fantasy teams and I am about to be 8-2. So, actually, I think Plumnmer gives me a better shot than Cutler. Sorry.

I've been playing fantasy for 12 years and if this is true you must be playing with a group of guys that don't have the first clue about fantasy. My guess is you have to have someone else on your team who is scoring. Jake's stats are some of the worst out there, it's hard to believe you'd be 8-2 with him at QB.

Homers always end up on the short end of the stick in fantasy, I've seen it a million times. Good Luck and God Bless if you keep him in your lineup the rest of year bro.

[Bronx33]

Wheres the (cutler will not see the field in 2006 unless jake loses a limb) option?

[jonny1]

This winning percentage stat makes me want to puke orange fluff balls. Yes we have won games but I think there are some fans who would like a Super Bowl win. We can win more games with Jake but who cares if it doesn't get us a Championship?

To me the owners, the coaches, the players and the fans who follow their team should expect no less. The ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl and get the ring. The bar has been raised since we finally got one, if that makes me a bad fan than I guess I am.

If you were playing a pick game of football on a school playground and had the choice between Cutler or Plummer, you'd pick Cutler everytime. I don't know why Shanny hasn't made the change if he's willing to put guys like Foster and Mike Bell on the inactive list. Frankly I don't understand some of the Coaching decisions he makes, it doesn't mean that I'm smarter than Shanny, but I have a right as a fan to question it. Shanny is brilliant but he's got an ego and an opinion just like you and I do. It doesn't mean that just because he is brilliant that his judgement can't be questioned or maybe just maybe he could be just flat wrong can it?

Do you really believe in your heart of hearts Jake can lead this team to Super Bowl and win it? The Cutler debate aside, the winning % aside does anyone really believe that? To me this continued coddling of Jake is a farce, to me he's a 98 pound weakling running for his life hoping and praying that someone won't discover he is a complete fraud.

This winning percentage stat makes me want to puke orange fluff balls. Yes we have won games but I think there are some fans who would like a Super Bowl win. We can win more games with Jake but who cares if it doesn't get us a Championship?

You are absolutely sure that Jake cannot win a Super Bowl with this team, you and about 100 others here on the board. But who really knows? Try this, name all the active starting QBs that have won the Super Bowl. Brady, Rothlesberger, and . . . .? I can't think of anyone else, Warner isn't starting anymore, Dilfer isn't starting anymore, who else is there? To say categorically that Plummer cannot win the big game is an OPINION. You might be right, you might be wrong.

To me the owners, the coaches, the players and the fans who follow their team should expect no less. The ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl and get the ring. The bar has been raised since we finally got one, if that makes me a bad fan than I guess I am.

No, I don't think that makes you a bad fan, that is exactly what I want also. How do you get to the Super Bowl? By winning regular season games first, which Plummer has been doing for 3 1/2 years and counting.

If you were playing a pick game of football on a school playground and had the choice between Cutler or Plummer, you'd pick Cutler everytime. I don't know why Shanny hasn't made the change if he's willing to put guys like Foster and Mike Bell on the inactive list. Frankly I don't understand some of the Coaching decisions he makes, it doesn't mean that I'm smarter than Shanny, but I have a right as a fan to question it. Shanny is brilliant but he's got an ego and an opinion just like you and I do. It doesn't mean that just because he is brilliant that his judgement can't be questioned or maybe just maybe he could be just flat wrong can it?

Sure, he can be wrong. However, Shanahan shares that same 75% winning percentage that makes the 'haters' want to puke. Every coach makes mistakes, but being the winningest coach of the last decade carries some weight.

Do you really believe in your heart of hearts Jake can lead this team to Super Bowl and win it? The Cutler debate aside, the winning % aside does anyone really believe that? To me this continued coddling of Jake is a farce, to me he's a 98 pound weakling running for his life hoping and praying that someone won't discover he is a complete fraud.

Do I believe he can lead the team to the Super Bowl. I wouldn't bet my life savings on it but I also wouldn't bet that he can't, I think that he might be able to, and Shanahan thinks he can, at least for now, so that is all I can lean on.


Anyway, go Broncos, whoever the QB is . . .

[Merlin]

If you were playing a pick game of football on a school playground and had the choice between Cutler or Plummer, you'd pick Cutler everytime. I don't know why Shanny hasn't made the change if he's willing to put guys like Foster and Mike Bell on the inactive list.
Clearly you are much smarter than him, and many of your posts are clear evidence of it, whereas Shanny is an offensive genius in his own mind. He clearly is a klutz that just happened to luck into sending every QB he has coached to the pro-bowl. Why can't Shanny have half your common sense is beyond me. Surely he must be fired. Virtually any coached could have done what he has done, especially since he is just a figurehead CEO for the Broncos. Bowlen should listen to the likes of brilliance like yours and kick Shanny on his ass.

[elsid13]

the words coming out of mouth during the first 1 QTR didn't contain the words Cutler. But they did rhythm with muck, much you, much your hippie ass, muck Oakland, muck me, much that cheerleader, muck Al,

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Clearly you are much smarter than him, and many of your posts are clear evidence of it, whereas Shanny is an offensive genius in his own mind. He clearly is a klutz that just happened to luck into sending every QB he has coached to the pro-bowl. Why can't Shanny have half your common sense is beyond me. Surely he must be fired. Virtually any coached could have done what he has done, especially since he is just a figurehead CEO for the Broncos. Bowlen should listen to the likes of brilliance like yours and kick Shanny on his ass.

So now Moron thinks the NFL and playground football is the same .... :nutkick

[Cito Pelon]

I can 100% gaurantee that Cutler will throw 1, 2, 3, even 4 ints in a gme during his career.. . . . . .The difference between a rookie making these mistakes, and then Jake, is that we know for a fact that Jake can fight back from them. We don't know how Cutler is going to react to a defense teeing off on a rookie, we don't know if he will wilt after a couple picks. We KNOW that jake will fight through bad games. That's why he is in there. Yes Jake is playing poorly during stretches, I'm not saying it is anything but Jake. At the same time I feel like he will make up for it during the course of the game, I know he isn't going to give up. I'm not conifidant in a rookie doing the same thing...not yet.

That's about the size of the situation.

[Cito Pelon]

Jake is the best QB I've ever seen that seldom steps into a throw. Drives me nuts.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Clearly you are much smarter than him, and many of your posts are clear evidence of it, whereas Shanny is an offensive genius in his own mind. He clearly is a klutz that just happened to luck into sending every QB he has coached to the pro-bowl. Why can't Shanny have half your common sense is beyond me. Surely he must be fired. Virtually any coached could have done what he has done, especially since he is just a figurehead CEO for the Broncos. Bowlen should listen to the likes of brilliance like yours and kick Shanny on his ass.

I'm not comparing my intelligence to his, I love Shanny. He's the single most important person in the history of the franchise, even more so than Elway.

The winning seasons have been great but this team has not been able to take it too the next level since the last Super Bowl. At what point does a fan question if Shanahan is making the right decisions or not?

[Merlin]

I not comparing my intelligence to his, I love Shanny. He's the single most important person in the history of the franchise, even more so than Elway.

The winning seasons have been great but this team has not been able to take it too the next level since the last Super Bowl. At what point does a fan question if Shanahan is making the right decisions or not?
As I said, you are clearly the man, you should be heard. Shanny has clearly grown stupid since then since you are much more insightful.

PS His offensive stats for the past decade should be ignored because they obviously have nothing to do with him, it just came from his rep.

[Mile High Mojoe]

As I said, you are clearly the man, you should be heard. Shanny has clearly grown stupid since then since you are much more insightful.

PS His offensive stats for the past decade should be ignored because they obviously have nothing to do with him, it just came from his rep.

You keep bashing me but you still didn't answer my question. Well? when do we as fans have the right to question a decision by Shanahan? I guess you answer is no answer. From now on I'll be a "good" fan and remain silent since I'm not as smart as you or Shanahan. Thanks for putting me in my place.

[SoCalBronco]

It's so easy for us basement dwellers to think we know what is going on

Come on bro, don't lump all of us in with Bob.

[Pendejo]

I admit I was ready to see what Cutler can do by half time of the Rams game.

[maven]

Where's the option for before the season started?

[BroncoBuff]

I don't think that's the real Shanahan.

http://www.sfist.com/attachments/sfist_chuck/bodysnatchers.jpg

Pod-Man Shanahan!

That's Donald Sutherland in the remake of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." B&W horror is my favorite sub-genre .... that remake was pretty damned good actually - also Jeff Goldblum (or was it Michael Nouri?) The latter-day color remake of "Night of the Living Dead" was surprisingly good, too.

[BroncoBuff]

You don't think Cutler could have thrown those passes better, or made better decisions with the ball, and NOT thrown 4 ints?

You DON'T think he could have done ANYTHING differently? Jay Cutler is very different from Jake, better arm, more accurate, better timing, quicker release, and pathetically can read a defense better than our 11 year vet.

Ever hear the saying "the grass is always greener"?

People who want Cutler to play NOW are apparently not watching Matt Leinart recently. After a week and-a-half of great play, Leinart has been POUNDED. In post-games interviews the last two weeks he has looked shell-shocked, to say the least. And remember - he has a better WR (Boldin) and RB (Edge) than Jay would have in Denver - and we're playing backups at both Offensive Tackle slots. Everybody remembers Jay's eye-popping TD bomb to Kircus @ Arizona in pre-season ... but do you remember two possessions later? The dreaded 'Int-Ret-TD.'

I don't compare Jay's potential to what Plummer does .... I try to think of what Leinart's up against, and how Phillip Rivers has progressed. Cutler and Rivers are remarkably similar - both started 4 years and 40+ games for southeastern schools that played far superior teams almost every week. As any Sunday Ticket subscriber (or fair-minded OM regular) can tell you, Rivers has played with impressive poise and confidence in his first 9 games ever this year after carrying a clipboard for two.

So, for my money anyway, all this Leinart-Rivers data leads me to believe that Jay should just sit for now.

[freak6]

Ever hear the saying "the grass is always greener"?

People who want Cutler to play NOW are apparently not watching Matt Leinart recently.

I already answered this in another thread. But one more time.

RBs do not make the running game. Edge, Portis, Hershael Walker.

Rings? Zero.

Difference made? Zero.

The Cards have a terrible running game. Edge avgs like 3 YPC if that. We are 5th in the NFL in rushing last I checked. Huge difference.

Fitz has been in and out of the lineup. Javon is better than Boldin imo. Leinart's defense is suspect. Our is stout. Jay wouldn't be asked to do as much here as Leinart is with thier terrible running game.

Our playbook is dumbeddown for Jake. Nothing Jay couldn't handle, especially with his vastly superior physical skills, not to mention he reads defenses better than our pathetic 11 year vet that still stares down covered recievers and forces passes to that reciever, late, and behind them, or way over them, resulting in ints that have given the Raiders and Browns gimme touchdowns as well as killing important drives that could have resulted in lead changes for vs St. Louis, Oakland, KC, and Bmore. Additionally, many of his picks have led to numerous FGs, thanks to our defense being so good in the redzone. For reference see StL, KC, etc...

[maven]

It is obvious Shanny will ride Plummer the rest of the season.

The question is, will Jake lose a game for us when playing 3 or 4 elite teams in a row during the playoffs and superbowl?

My answer is yes. There will be no superbowl this year as long as Jake is the one leading this team to a superbowl victory.

[Mile High Mojoe]

It is obvious Shanny will ride Plummer the rest of the season.

The question is, will Jake lose a game for us when playing 3 or 4 elite teams in a row during the playoffs and superbowl?

My answer is yes. There will be no superbowl this year as long as Jake is the one leading this team to a superbowl victory.

^5

[maven]

^5

Unfortunately for fans, it kinda sucks. Jake isn't leading the Broncos to the promise land. And no, a superbowl appearance doesn't count. I'm talking about winning it all. I'm not talking about getting to the superbowl. I'm talking winning it! Nobody gives a **** about losers in the superbowl. It is all about wins. Now some of you believe Jake can do it. I clearly do not. That means Jake cannot **** up for 3 or 4 games versus elite teams. Not going to happen folks. This team isn't going to win a superbowl because it is clearly obvious our QB will not get it done.

[BroncoBuff]

I already answered this in another thread. But one more time.

RBs do not make the running game. Edge, Portis, Hershael Walker.

Rings? Zero.

Difference made? Zero.

The Cards have a terrible running game. Edge avgs like 3 YPC if that. We are 5th in the NFL in rushing last I checked. Huge difference.

Fitz has been in and out of the lineup. Javon is better than Boldin imo. Leinart's defense is suspect. Our is stout. Jay wouldn't be asked to do as much here as Leinart is with thier terrible running game.

Our playbook is dumbeddown for Jake. Nothing Jay couldn't handle, especially with his vastly superior physical skills, not to mention he reads defenses better than our pathetic 11 year vet that still stares down covered recievers and forces passes to that reciever, late, and behind them, or way over them, resulting in ints that have given the Raiders and Browns gimme touchdowns as well as killing important drives that could have resulted in lead changes for vs St. Louis, Oakland, KC, and Bmore. Additionally, many of his picks have led to numerous FGs, thanks to our defense being so good in the redzone. For reference see StL, KC, etc...

I'll grant you many of these points .... save one. Anquan Boldin is a beast - the best WR in the league imo, along with Torry Holt.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Unfortunately for fans, it kinda sucks. Jake isn't leading the Broncos to the promise land. And no, a superbowl appearance doesn't count. I'm talking about winning it all. I'm not talking about getting to the superbowl. I'm talking winning it! Nobody gives a **** about losers in the superbowl. It is all about wins. Now some of you believe Jake can do it. I clearly do not. That means Jake cannot **** up for 3 or 4 games versus elite teams. Not going to happen folks. This team isn't going to win a superbowl because it is clearly obvious our QB will not get it done.

Sometimes the voice of sanity does ring through on this site. To me this point is a useless and meaningless debate with these Jake apologists. This is the bottom line no matter what the spin is, what excuses they line up for him, I'm absolutely convinced that there is no way in hell that Jake can lead us to a Super Bowl Victory. Some use the Dilfer spin but it doesn't wash because Dilfer, while he didn't have the greatest phyical skills in the world, played a smart mistake free game. Something Jake is uncapable of unfortunately.

That Ravens team knew Dilfer wouldn't lose a game with boneheaded mistakes. Imagine the confidence the rest of the Broncos team would get if we had a QB that wasn't a crap shoot on whether he would or wouldn't blow a big game during crunch time? It would elevate the Broncos to a higher level of play. Cutler even if he started the last 3 or 4 games of the season gives us about as much of a chance to win a Super Bowl as Jake.

Maybe he is a Rookie, yes he'll probably make some mistakes, throw some INT's but at least from a physical stand point he brings much more to the game than Plummer and I think maybe down the stretch gives us a better shot at a Championship. Now I'll just wait to get piled on by all the Jake Lovers. Bring it on. Here, I'll give you a head start on the slams you'll zing at me I'm sure:

1. You're a traitor and can't be a fan of the Broncos!

2. You think you're smarter than Shanahan? How dare you?

3. You're a blowhard and an idiot and you don't know what your talking about?

4. Jake and Shanny have the best winning % ever you Bozo!

4. Don't you know Jake had a good week of practice?

There's 4 Guys hammer away...

[azbroncfan]

As soon as my cutler authentic alternate jersey was at my door today I screamed for it.

[BroncoBuff]

As soon as my cutler authentic alternate jersey was at my door today I screamed for it.

Does that mean you want to change your vote, az?

The most interesting response in this poll, imo, are the 17 who chose #3 ... "at some point." Those are the ones who decided during the Raiders game that Jay should take over for good.

[16slayer24]

does anyone here remember the 80 s and elway??? we won lots of rings didnt we

[16slayer24]

has anyone here ever seen cutler throw a pick in and NFL game??? how bout a completed pass??? Jake wins and i am good with that

[BroncoBuff]

Have you been drinking?

[watermock]

Then accept that groundhog day is nearing.

[BroncoBuff]

I KNOW you've been drinking.

[-Slap-]

Jake hits Javon IN STRIDE for the first TD, but that's because JW is a playmaker.


Well, it was the ninth game of the season. Jake was bound to hit a receiver IN STRIDE at some point during the year.

[-Slap-]

Pod-Man Shanahan!

That's Donald Sutherland in the remake of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." B&W horror is my favorite sub-genre .... that remake was pretty damned good actually - also Jeff Goldblum (or was it Michael Nouri?) The latter-day color remake of "Night of the Living Dead" was surprisingly good, too.

The Night of the Living Dead remake was directed by Tom Savini. Opinions are split, but I thought it was tremendous.

Jeff Goldblum starred in the remake of The Fly.

I have an idea. Let's put Jake in BrundleFly's transmogrification machine, but let's stick him in there with another quarterback who's not rock stupid. Kosar, maybe. This could work.

[Turf Shaman]

I'll grant you many of these points .... save one. Anquan Boldin is a beast - the best WR in the league imo, along with Torry Holt.

I doubt there is a receiver in this league who would have as much of an impact in this offense, run by Jake Plummer, as Walker has had so far. But anyway, the comparison between Boldin and Walker isn't significant... it was raised to point out that Leinart has better talent around him that Cutler hypothetically would have, but they both would have elite go to WRs. Most running backs are only as productive as their offensive line, and the Broncos O-Line, while not nearly as good as the Broncos O-Lines of the recent past, is still head and shoulders above Arizona's. James has done nothing this season. There is zero doubt Cutler would have a better team and would therefore have a better chance to win games than Leinart.

[Paladin]

GO BRONCOS. GO JAKE.

I think that says it all.....

[clarkster]

seriously, i remember hitting a couple of home games with the fam back in the 80s, and i remember ****ers booing elway...i know apples and oranges, just reinforcing a point made earlier. what amazes me is the amount of people that spend 50-100$ a ticket to go to the games and bitch, yeah its your right and blah blah blah, but really, its out of control

[Meck77]

Come on bro, don't lump all of us in with Bob.

lol....You don't make that list. I think out of any omaner this year you spent more time on the sidelines at camp breaking it down and I thank you for that.:notworthy Obviously not everyone has the luxury of making training camp, going to games or even watching the games but there is a reason there are people who get paid to run the Broncos and the rest of us who are here to speculate. Hell we are fans it's our job to be pissed off from time to time.Ha!

The difference between fans and Shanny/Bowlen is I don't think they ride the highs and lows as much as we do from week to week. One week the Jake haters are kissing his ass...the next week they are ready to fire him. I'm just grateful that cooler heads are running this team instead of us. 8') Hell I've seen comments from people about Jake that even stated that they didn't even watch the game? I'm sorry but looking at stats on NFL.COM and drawing conclusions from that is pretty pathetic IMO. Whether one watches the game at the stadium or on TV makes no difference but please STFU if you didn't even bother to watch it!

Go Broncos!

P.S...I'm still trying to figure out who the Jake Haters blame for leaving him in the game. Shanny? Bowlen? etc If we are going to blame Jake for sucking up this team than why not point the blame at his bosses for leaving him in? Jake's just a player earning a paycheck. No need to ride his back. He knows his job is on the line.

[Tredici]

In all honesty I don't scream for Cutler. I don't think having to come in to a game with the stink of desperation floating around the field is the way to start your career. Jake won the job this season and that's that. Should Shanahan decide to start Jay in front of Jake then I would support the decision.

Next year's training camp is going to be where my interest is as far as Cutler's development and ability to take control of the team. If he's good enough to win the job outright then I will put up with the games he struggles in.

[HitEmCold]

Well, it was the ninth game of the season. Jake was bound to hit a receiver IN STRIDE at some point during the year.

LOL

[sirhcyennek81]

7-2.

:Broncos:

[orinjkrush]

lol....You don't make that list. I think out of any omaner this year you spent more time on the sidelines at camp breaking it down and I thank you for that.:notworthy Obviously not everyone has the luxury of making training camp, going to games or even watching the games but there is a reason there are people who get paid to run the Broncos and the rest of us who are here to speculate. Hell we are fans it's our job to be pissed off from time to time.Ha!

The difference between fans and Shanny/Bowlen is I don't think they ride the highs and lows as much as we do from week to week. One week the Jake haters are kissing his ass...the next week they are ready to fire him. I'm just grateful that cooler heads are running this team instead of us. 8') Hell I've seen comments from people about Jake that even stated that they didn't even watch the game? I'm sorry but looking at stats on NFL.COM and drawing conclusions from that is pretty pathetic IMO. Whether one watches the game at the stadium or on TV makes no difference but please STFU if you didn't even bother to watch it!

Go Broncos!

P.S...I'm still trying to figure out who the Jake Haters blame for leaving him in the game. Shanny? Bowlen? etc If we are going to blame Jake for sucking up this team than why not point the blame at his bosses for leaving him in? Jake's just a player earning a paycheck. No need to ride his back. He knows his job is on the line.

what a great post! first, we ARE fans because this stuff ALLOWS us to emotionally vent! Studies show fans get more visceral reactions than the team cause we can't get the frickin adrenaline out as they can. SCREAM MOFOES!

Second, what will it take for Shanny to pull Jake, the INCONCEIVABLE one? (prince's bride allusion for the BGIB girls). Broken whatever? 5 Ints? Playoff game in the first, no second, no third, no fourth quarter?
Shanny is keeping Jay on the bench, like a NUKE. (Keep it conventional, boys, but wave the NUKE!)
Bringing Jay into the fray during the playoffs might inspire some fear. Bringing Jake back into the fray during the playoffs might get a yawn.

After 4 Ints with Raiders, (yes 4) I think Shanny's bar is set REALLY high for pulling Jake. I wonder if Jake ran the wrong way for a TD would be enough?

But, I still think Jake can do it. I really do. But if I were Al Wilson, I'd clock his ass at least twice a game.

At ease, people.

[freak6]

I wonder if Jake ran the wrong way for a TD would be enough?

If I were Al Wilson, I'd clock his ass at least twice a game.



lol

[Crushaholic]

But, I still think Jake can do it. I really do. But if I were Al Wilson, I'd clock his ass at least twice a game.

At ease, people.

Actually, that IS a big difference between Jake and Jay. Plummer has the respect of the guys in the locker room as a leader. That's the X factor that keeps Jake in the game...

[Northman]

Actually, that IS a big difference between Jake and Jay. Plummer has the respect of the guys in the locker room as a leader. That's the X factor that keeps Jake in the game...



So , are we really to believe that if Jake got hurt the team wouldnt be behind Jay because they have no respect for him? What about next year? If Jake is gone does the team just abandon him because Jake isnt there? Seriously? What does that say about your club? If this is a team than they should support whoever is leading the offense. If jay comes in to relieve Jake the rest of the team shouldnt treat Jay like a leper because of it. Jay would be just doing his job which will undoubtably start next year.

[broncosteven]

Ok, I genuinely believe Jake is still the starter for one single reason: We're 7-2 and winning with crappy QB play.

Putting in a rookie would be no different. Cutler would most likely struggle, just as Plummer has been, especially since our running game has been slowed by injuries to Lepsis/Bell.

So why screw with Chemistry and put in a rookie while we're winning.

I think he's right. But THAT'S NO EXCUSE FOR PLUMMER'S DUMB A$$ MISTAKES.

As I said before, I'm through with this. I love this team and I'm going to support everyone but that doesn't mean Plummer get's a free pass when he throws 3 ints.

This is why I'm so disapointed with people here who are quick to blame Coyer. It's because of this defense we've won most of our games, and why Plummer is the starter.

If our defense was as erratic as our offense and Plummer then we would be under .500 and Cutler would have gotten the start a while ago.


The only reason I am critical of our D is because we have Blunder as a QB. As long as we have Jake the D will need to win a ton of games & keep points off the board so we can win 17-16 or 17 -13 games.

Coyer adjusted & got enough pressure on Walter in the 2nd half to make him uncomfortable & throw like Jake did in 1st half. That made me very happy & gave me confidence in Coyer for the future.

If you don't know that Jake is an inconsistent QB at best by now who needs to win close games with the LEAD and play calm, smart football, then you won't see the problem or the solution.

When Cutler plays, will be dictated by his performance, Blunders lack of performance & finally Shanny's choice. I think the longer the season goes the less likely we will see Cutler this year.

I can say one thing positive that I have noticed about Jake. He may not be able to play well but he does play hard. That is my softball goal, I may not be the best player but I will play hard & not quit on my team.