Cheering for the #2 guy is cheering for your imagination

[Blart]

We see the #1 guy mess up, and start to imagine what the #2 guy would have done in that exact same situation.

#2 wouldn't have under-thrown that ball. It would have been a rocket, way down the field with a marksman's precision. We'd have a first down instead of watching the punting team take the field.

We're allowed to imagine whatever we want, but what helps us to pretend is that we've never seen him start a regular season NFL game. Since he's never played bad, he must be really good!

Next time you see the #1 guy mess up and start imagining what #2 would have done, consider some of the following:
You didn't watch him play in last week's team practice.
You haven't talked to him about his comfort level with the playbook.
You haven't extensively studied his college film.One man has. That man is not afraid to start a player that's doing well in practice, nor is he afraid to bench a long-time starter. Ask Mike Bell. Ask George Foster. Ask Tony Scheffler.

How delusional can people's imaginations get? I was at the 2nd game of the '05 season, (BRONCOS vs Chargers) and listened as the home crowd boo'ed and chanted "BRAD LEE BRAD LEE BRAD LEE" just before halftime. Bradlee Van Pelt, according to 32 teams that won't sign him to their practice squad, is not fit as an NFL Quarterback.


If Cutler gets some real gametime, I'd love to read opinions and comparisons between the two QB's.

Until then, I don't care about how the #1 guy should be benched in favor of your imagination.

[Blueflame]

Perhaps you'd have a point if the #2 guy you're talking about cheering for was a bona fide backup and not the QBOTF. Fact is, in this situation, it's not a question of if Cutler will take the #1 slot; it's when....

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

We see the #1 guy mess up, and start to imagine what the #2 guy would have done in that exact same situation.

#2 wouldn't have under-thrown that ball. It would have been a rocket, way down the field with a marksman's precision. We'd have a first down instead of watching the punting team take the field.

We're allowed to imagine whatever we want, but what helps us to pretend is that we've never seen him start a regular season NFL game. Since he's never played bad, he must be really good!

Next time you see the #1 guy mess up and start imagining what #2 would have done, consider some of the following:

You didn't watch him play in last week's team practice.
You haven't talked to him about his comfort level with the playbook.
You haven't extensively studied his college film.
One man has. That man is not afraid to start a player that's doing well in practice, nor is he afraid to bench a long-time starter. Ask Mike Bell. Ask George Foster. Ask Tony Scheffler. And why not? What reason would there be to start an inferior player and bench a great one?

How delusional can people's imaginations get? I was at the 2nd game of the '05 season, (BRONCOS vs Chargers) and listened as the home crowd boo'ed and chanted "BRAD LEE BRAD LEE BRAD LEE" just before halftime. Bradlee Van Pelt, according to 32 teams that won't sign him to their practice squad, is not fit as an NFL Quarterback.


If Cutler gets some real gametime, I'd love to read opinions and comparisons between the two QB's. Until then, I don't care about how the #1 guy should be benched in favor of your imagination.

Ditto

[Kaylore]

Start Cutler.

[Popps]

Plummer, Cutler... as long as we're winning.

[Mile High Shack]

Start Cutler.

why?
I like winning, not training a qb for next year

Cutler isn't ready

[footstepsfrom#27]

All the rookie QB's have higher passer ratings than Fake...

[footstepsfrom#27]

Cutler isn't ready
Neither is Fake.

[Mile High Shack]

Neither is Fake.

this is pointless

it's like shouting into the wind to make it stop

it is what it is

Jake isn't being benched b/c Cutler isn't ready

so love him or hate him......Jake is our guy for the rest of the year

next year you can wave your Cutler pom poms, but this year, let's try to get behind THIS team :)

[Sassy]

You're willing to risk 7-2 for a rookie QB that you "assume" is better?

[Mile High Shack]

All the rookie QB's have higher passer ratings than Fake...

Leinhert ruled today eh?

[Mile High Shack]

You're willing to risk 7-2 for a rookie QB that you "assume" is better?

they'd rather look good on offense and lose than look bad and win

For instance, last week's win against Pitt where our D looked like garbage, but we scored 31 points, people were MUCh happier with that win.

it's all about image and stats, not wins

[Kaylore]

Leinhert ruled today eh?

Leinert's a rookie on one of the worst franchise's in professional sports and no run game, and Jake's an 11 year Veteran in an offense he's known for going on four years. Try again.

[Mile High Shack]

Leinert's a rookie on one of the worst franchise's in professional sports and no run game, and Jake's an 11 year Veteran in an offense he's known for going on four years. Try again.

LOL
how was Jake's running game today??

I was talking about Leinhart and Cutler......Cutler wouldn't be doing much better than Leinhart right now...and we see how that is going

[Kaylore]

they'd rather look good on offense and lose than look bad and win

For instance, last week's win against Pitt where our D looked like garbage, but we scored 31 points, people were MUCh happier with that win.

it's all about image and stats, not wins

Yeah, because it has to be one or the other, right? Lord forbid Jake shows up when our defense is playing well. Either we put up lots of points and lose, or we play well on defense but Jake plays like a retarded child. And after we lost the Colts game everyone here was real happy! Yep no one freaked out about needing help on the defensive line. Keep spitting out the stupid excuses, man; You're on a roll.

[Needa Pass Rush]

We see the #1 guy mess up, and start to imagine what the #2 guy would have done in that exact same situation.

#2 wouldn't have under-thrown that ball. It would have been a rocket, way down the field with a marksman's precision. We'd have a first down instead of watching the punting team take the field.

We're allowed to imagine whatever we want, but what helps us to pretend is that we've never seen him start a regular season NFL game. Since he's never played bad, he must be really good!

Next time you see the #1 guy mess up and start imagining what #2 would have done, consider some of the following:
You didn't watch him play in last week's team practice.
You haven't talked to him about his comfort level with the playbook.
You haven't extensively studied his college film.One man has. That man is not afraid to start a player that's doing well in practice, nor is he afraid to bench a long-time starter. Ask Mike Bell. Ask George Foster. Ask Tony Scheffler.

How delusional can people's imaginations get? I was at the 2nd game of the '05 season, (BRONCOS vs Chargers) and listened as the home crowd boo'ed and chanted "BRAD LEE BRAD LEE BRAD LEE" just before halftime. Bradlee Van Pelt, according to 32 teams that won't sign him to their practice squad, is not fit as an NFL Quarterback.


If Cutler gets some real gametime, I'd love to read opinions and comparisons between the two QB's.

Until then, I don't care about how the #1 guy should be benched in favor of your imagination.

I hate to think what Blart means by "#2 man". zowie!

[listopencil]

We see the #1 guy mess up, and start to imagine what the #2 guy would have done in that exact same situation.

#2 wouldn't have under-thrown that ball. It would have been a rocket, way down the field with a marksman's precision. We'd have a first down instead of watching the punting team take the field.

We're allowed to imagine whatever we want, but what helps us to pretend is that we've never seen him start a regular season NFL game. Since he's never played bad, he must be really good!

Next time you see the #1 guy mess up and start imagining what #2 would have done, consider some of the following:
You didn't watch him play in last week's team practice.
You haven't talked to him about his comfort level with the playbook.
You haven't extensively studied his college film.One man has. That man is not afraid to start a player that's doing well in practice, nor is he afraid to bench a long-time starter. Ask Mike Bell. Ask George Foster. Ask Tony Scheffler.

How delusional can people's imaginations get? I was at the 2nd game of the '05 season, (BRONCOS vs Chargers) and listened as the home crowd boo'ed and chanted "BRAD LEE BRAD LEE BRAD LEE" just before halftime. Bradlee Van Pelt, according to 32 teams that won't sign him to their practice squad, is not fit as an NFL Quarterback.


If Cutler gets some real gametime, I'd love to read opinions and comparisons between the two QB's.

Until then, I don't care about how the #1 guy should be benched in favor of your imagination.




Quoted For Truth.

[Popps]

this is pointless

it's like shouting into the wind to make it stop

it is what it is

Jake isn't being benched b/c Cutler isn't ready

so love him or hate him......Jake is our guy for the rest of the year

next year you can wave your Cutler pom poms, but this year, let's try to get behind THIS team :)

Exactly. I'm a huge fan of Cutler, but reality is reality.

The really funny part is going to be when Cutler plays well. These same goofs are going to be saying "see, I told you so"... as if they were privy to some inside information.

I mean, the situation is well established. Baring some kind of massive breakdown that results in continuous losing, Plummer is going to be the QB.
Next year, Cutler will be the QB.

Hopefully we'll see more good Jake than bad when it matters, and we've got a blue-chipper in waiting. That's the deal, like it or not.

[footstepsfrom#27]

they'd rather look good on offense and lose than look bad and win

For instance, last week's win against Pitt where our D looked like garbage, but we scored 31 points, people were MUCh happier with that win.

it's all about image and stats, not wins
The wins this season have had very little to do with Fake.

[Garcia Bronco]

LOL
how was Jake's running game today??

I was talking about Leinhart and Cutler......Cutler wouldn't be doing much better than Leinhart right now...and we see how that is going

Because rookie QB's see 8 and 9 in the box. AZ was doing better running the ball with Warner in the game

[Garcia Bronco]

The wins this season have had very little to do with Fake.

I disagree...as the person who touches the ball everytime on offense, I would say he's been a big part. Just me though.

[Mile High Shack]

Yeah, because it has to be one or the other, right? Lord forbid Jake shows up when our defense is playing well. Either we put up lots of points and lose, or we play well on defense but Jake plays like a retarded child. And after we lost the Colts game everyone here was real happy! Yep no one freaked out about needing help on the defensive line. Keep spitting out the stupid excuses, man; You're on a roll.

omfg ctler rulzzzz!!!

Jake is what is he is....an average QB that plays better with a running game. He'll play bad sometimes, we can only hope that we can overcome those bad games...so far we have been able to. I'm happy with 7-2 and I am hopeful we can still stay on a roll here. Every team has down games, we had 2 very emotional and physically tough games in a row, there are always let downs. Payaton only won 17-16 at home against a bad Bills team........you think their fans are beotching about them being 9-0

if you think you know more than Mike Shanahan, I suggest you try to get an interview with Pat Bowlen, since you live in Denver, it could be possible

[Mile High Shack]

Exactly. I'm a huge fan of Cutler, but reality is reality.

The really funny part is going to be when Cutler plays well. These same goofs are going to be saying "see, I told you so"... as if they were privy to some inside information.

I mean, the situation is well established. Baring some kind of massive breakdown that results in continuous losing, Plummer is going to be the QB.
Next year, Cutler will be the QB.

Hopefully we'll see more good Jake than bad when it matters, and we've got a blue-chipper in waiting. That's the deal, like it or not.

exactly

we are just spoiled I think....we are 7-2, let's enjoy it and then get excited for a QB with a gun of a arm next year and hope all the hype is true. I can only imagine how many teams would like to be 7-2

until then......let's get behind this team :)

[Kaylore]

LOL
how was Jake's running game today??

I was talking about Leinhart and Cutler......Cutler wouldn't be doing much better than Leinhart right now...and we see how that is going

Jake is the reason this running game isn't working. They load the box and leave receivers one-on-one knowing Jake can't beat them.

You know what? I don't care. I don't even think you watched the game given what you are trying to argue, but whatever man. If guys like Mock can still support busts like Robert Gallery, then it's no surprise you, Popps, Alec, and Garcia Bronco can pretend that every time Jake Plummer has a bad game it's not his fault and "everything's cool" and we just are spoiled or whatever.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Yeah, because it has to be one or the other, right? Lord forbid Jake shows up when our defense is playing well. Either we put up lots of points and lose, or we play well on defense but Jake plays like a retarded child. And after we lost the Colts game everyone here was real happy! Yep no one freaked out about needing help on the defensive line. Keep spitting out the stupid excuses, man; You're on a roll.

I think he spends to much time on the other board. That place is full of negativity and is ruled by trolls and immature children.

[theAPAOps5]

All the rookie QB's have higher passer ratings than Fake...

Wrong, go look up the passer rating of Leinart and Vince Young. You will find that they are rated in the 60s and Plummer is in the 70s.

[Mile High Shack]

Jake is the reason this running game isn't working. They load the box and leave receivers one-on-one knowing Jake can't beat them.

You know what? I don't care. I don't even think you watched the game given what you are trying to argue, but whatever man. If guys like Mock can still support busts like Robert Gallery, then it's no surprise you, Popps, Alec, and Garcia Bronco can pretend that every time Jake Plummer has a bad game it's not his fault and "everything's cool" and we just are spoiled or whatever.

God forbid we be happy with a 7-2 record

it is what it is man, you should learn to relax a little, don't be so uptight
90% of the teams in the league would love to be where we are at now.

Cutler is going to be the qb next year and I'm excited to see if he lives up to the great expectations.

until then, I'm going to root and support this team and hope for the best.

jake is what he is...a guy who needs a good running game going to be his best.....if he doesn't have it, he's a below average QB.

but that's why we have spent so much $$ on the defensive side of the ball...to be a defensive team.

[Blueflame]

Wrong, go look up the passer rating of Leinart and Vince Young. You will find that they are rated in the 60s and Plummer is in the 70s.

Today, Plummer's QB rating was well below Walters'.... and it would have been even lower yet had the Fade not been hosed by the officials on interception #4.

[Paladin]

And the point is what???? I don't care if Jake throws nine ints in a game, if the Broncos win, it's all good. Jeez. This is entertainment, not life and death. What is the problem with 7-2? What is the problem with a win today? How is it that your life is different if Jake throws 3 ints and the Broncos win the game versus Jake throws no ints?

This is fricking crazy.

The Broncos won.

[freak6]

What is the problem with a win today? How is it that your life is different if Jake throws 3 ints and the Broncos win the game versus Jake throws no ints?

This is fricking crazy.

The Broncos won.

Would your life be different if we won the Super Bowl? Would that add to the enjoyment of your life, as a "Bronco Fan", as you claim to be.

How can you call yourself a true fan and not be concerned about the coming implosion in the playoffs!!!

It's how you FINISH the season that counts!!!

Do you think a better team would have allowed us to make all those mistakes and get away with it, on the road? Or did we only because we were facing an impossibly worse QB from ASU?

PS - I know you are a true fan Paladin, I wouldn't question that, I'm just posting this because this is what those of us on the other side of the fence hear constantly, and now I have shown how ridiculous it is to spew that BS. Everything else is the truth.

Wow, we beat the worst team in the NFL! Yay!

[Odysseus]

We see the #1 guy mess up, and start to imagine what the #2 guy would have done in that exact same situation.

#2 wouldn't have under-thrown that ball. It would have been a rocket, way down the field with a marksman's precision. We'd have a first down instead of watching the punting team take the field.

We're allowed to imagine whatever we want, but what helps us to pretend is that we've never seen him start a regular season NFL game. Since he's never played bad, he must be really good!

Next time you see the #1 guy mess up and start imagining what #2 would have done, consider some of the following:
You didn't watch him play in last week's team practice.
You haven't talked to him about his comfort level with the playbook.
You haven't extensively studied his college film.One man has. That man is not afraid to start a player that's doing well in practice, nor is he afraid to bench a long-time starter. Ask Mike Bell. Ask George Foster. Ask Tony Scheffler.

How delusional can people's imaginations get? I was at the 2nd game of the '05 season, (BRONCOS vs Chargers) and listened as the home crowd boo'ed and chanted "BRAD LEE BRAD LEE BRAD LEE" just before halftime. Bradlee Van Pelt, according to 32 teams that won't sign him to their practice squad, is not fit as an NFL Quarterback.


If Cutler gets some real gametime, I'd love to read opinions and comparisons between the two QB's.

Until then, I don't care about how the #1 guy should be benched in favor of your imagination.

Flat out the best take on Plummer I have seen in a long time.

I am a HUUUUUGE Cutler fan. I was scared the Broncos were going to pickup that guy who took Jake's old job or Jeff Fisher's new project. I liked Vince Young early on until I started looking at tape. We got the best deal in the draft as will become evident if we don't muck it up with meddling.

Fans have no clue about Cutler. St. Plummer is taking all the hits for this kid and all the fans can think to do is flog this lame duck starter as if nobody in all the world but them can see this kid's talent. It's kind of sad and selfish really.

Broncos want a franchise QB not some discount guy they got in the third round. Cutler has first round skills but he needs grooming and part of that is learning patience. You cannot learn patience in attack mode. You cannot learn defenses with your mind focused on forgetting a mistake that didn't have to happen.

Cutler doesn't lack confidence. He doesn't lack skills and natural ability. He doesn't lack intelligence. Everyone thinks the only thing Cutler needs is experience. This is the NFL. They can make the most remarkable QB look really bad. They pay millions of dollars to smart guys to destroy Quarterbacks. Fans don't seem to care.

[Kaylore]

There is no evidence that franchise QB's should wait a year. In fact there is more evidence that putting them in sooner is better. This idea that starting a QB early will ruin them is garbage.

[NFLBRONCO]

There is no evidence that franchise QB's should wait a year. In fact there is more evidence that putting them in sooner is better. This idea that starting a QB early will ruin them is garbage.

I agree no matter how long Cutler sits the only way he improves is to play. I can wait til 07 but, I do hope he can play a half this season.

[CBF1]

Jake is the reason this running game isn't working. They load the box and leave receivers one-on-one knowing Jake can't beat them.

You know what? I don't care. I don't even think you watched the game given what you are trying to argue, but whatever man. If guys like Mock can still support busts like Robert Gallery, then it's no surprise you, Popps, Alec, and Garcia Bronco can pretend that every time Jake Plummer has a bad game it's not his fault and "everything's cool" and we just are spoiled or whatever.

Biotch slap of the week. REP

Get behind Plummer all you want, If/when he plays like this against a good team, we are toast.

Kahn, you are on a freekin roll tonight. Keep up the good work.

[anon]

You can't be a "defensive team" if your QB is prone to giving up badly timed turnovers.

As for "a guy who needs a good running game going to be his best" - you could say that about any QB in the league.

Again, I personally do not have a problem with a stodgy offensive philosophy, but I do have a problem with obviously bad decision-making that seems to surface against good and bad defenses.

God forbid we be happy with a 7-2 record

it is what it is man, you should learn to relax a little, don't be so uptight
90% of the teams in the league would love to be where we are at now.

Cutler is going to be the qb next year and I'm excited to see if he lives up to the great expectations.

until then, I'm going to root and support this team and hope for the best.

jake is what he is...a guy who needs a good running game going to be his best.....if he doesn't have it, he's a below average QB.

but that's why we have spent so much $$ on the defensive side of the ball...to be a defensive team.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Wrong, go look up the passer rating of Leinart and Vince Young. You will find that they are rated in the 60s and Plummer is in the 70s.
True...but just seeing your need to glory in that pathetic fact makes it worth me being wrong. It's the equivilent of being in junior high school and bragging to your 10 year old brother that you can beat up his little girlfriend.ROFL!

[watermock]

Guess what...

Jake puts up a least a half assed decent performance against a team that has allready given up on the season, this thread doesn't even exist.

The apologists doen't even see that. I was the first to congratulate Jake on a fine game last week and get a bad rep for being a flip flopper...heh...Like I care.

We get Bad Jake Sunday night we are toast...pure and simple.

BTW Kaylore, I think Gallery is tanking to get out of there. I never said he was playing well or supported him. I simply saw him play at Iowa and something is terribly out of whack for whatever reason.

Whatever Kaylore...you have a fine imagination...I never made any apologies for the turnstile...maybe we should worry about our own first round bust.

[fontaine]

I'm glad Jake Plummer is doing his absolute best to give us fans and this Broncos team a complete picture of how (defense/offense) they'll do with a raw, green rookie playing behind Center.

By the time Jay Cutler starts our team will be battle tested, hardened and prepared to carry a mistake prone, interception machine, struggling to adjust to NFL caliber defenses.

Jake, Jay who cares and what's the difference anyway? Jay will struggle because he's a rookie, Jake is struggling, well, because he's played like crap most of the year.

[Mile High Mojoe]

We see the #1 guy mess up, and start to imagine what the #2 guy would have done in that exact same situation.

#2 wouldn't have under-thrown that ball. It would have been a rocket, way down the field with a marksman's precision. We'd have a first down instead of watching the punting team take the field.

We're allowed to imagine whatever we want, but what helps us to pretend is that we've never seen him start a regular season NFL game. Since he's never played bad, he must be really good!

Next time you see the #1 guy mess up and start imagining what #2 would have done, consider some of the following:
You didn't watch him play in last week's team practice.
You haven't talked to him about his comfort level with the playbook.
You haven't extensively studied his college film.One man has. That man is not afraid to start a player that's doing well in practice, nor is he afraid to bench a long-time starter. Ask Mike Bell. Ask George Foster. Ask Tony Scheffler.

How delusional can people's imaginations get? I was at the 2nd game of the '05 season, (BRONCOS vs Chargers) and listened as the home crowd boo'ed and chanted "BRAD LEE BRAD LEE BRAD LEE" just before halftime. Bradlee Van Pelt, according to 32 teams that won't sign him to their practice squad, is not fit as an NFL Quarterback.


If Cutler gets some real gametime, I'd love to read opinions and comparisons between the two QB's.

Until then, I don't care about how the #1 guy should be benched in favor of your imagination.

One of the best defensive arguements for Jake yet. It's all speculation and totally meaningless because no one will really know how good or how bad Cutler is until he gets in a game. I'm not saying Jake should be benched right now but you whole post is based on preconceived assumptions.

[Blart]

Thanks, glad you like the points.

I know some people here, like Kaylore, have studied up on Cutler and watched a bit of college film or have even sat behind the ropes for training camp. I haven't - all I can find on youtube is a good 4th quarter comeback and then a questionable pick. So for some people here, it's not complete imagination.

But still, it's just pre-season, college and camp. The guy hasn't taken an NFL snap, and some fans are calling him the next Elway - purely based on their imagination.

I defer my opinion to authority on the QB issue simply because there is no way for me to obtain information on my own, that and I think authority figures are hot. Until Cutler plays a game I will be unable to gather information for myself, so will have to go with either:

1) My imagination.
2) Guys like Kaylore who are a bit more informed.
3) Shanahan, Rod Smith, and others on the Broncos who watch and work with Cutler almost daily, and still side with Jake come gametime.

I have a request for the Cutler beggers: I want to hear your conspiracy theories. Why is Shanahan - a former QB Coach - not starting Cutler?

Perhaps, as some people pointed out during training camp, Cutler is still having footwork issues. My imagination says its true.

[-Slap-]

LOL
how was Jake's running game today??

I was talking about Leinhart and Cutler......Cutler wouldn't be doing much better than Leinhart right now...and we see how that is going

You also said Dallas ruined their season by going to Tony Romo.......LOL

Ready to retract that statement yet?

[BroncoInferno]

You also said Dallas ruined their season by going to Tony Romo.......LOL

Ready to retract that statement yet?

Romo's been in Dallas' system for a couple of years now...that's the difference. You think he'd look that good if they'd put him in as a rookie?

[-Slap-]

There is no evidence that franchise QB's should wait a year. In fact there is more evidence that putting them in sooner is better. This idea that starting a QB early will ruin them is garbage.

http://www.geocities.com/jakbenmbie/young.jpg

[watermock]

Romo came from a division 2 school and was a third rounder I believe. It's not like he was a 4 year starter in the SEC. Not only that, Jay has played Pro-style offense, under center, in the shotgun and even some option.

[Orange_Beard]

If you are going to have a guy making rookie mistakes, why not have a rookie doing it?

Everyone knows wht Jake is, He has proven himself. The Broncos win not win the Superbowl with him at QB.

Let's see what Cutler can do.

[BroncoInferno]

http://www.geocities.com/jakbenmbie/young.jpg

Actually, Khan is wrong. Taking decided exceptions like Manning and Marino and then saying "there's no evidence" that starting guys early is bad is just plain wrong. For every Marino there are 15 guys like Tim Couch who might have been OK had there teams handled them better.

[-Slap-]

Romo's been in Dallas' system for a couple of years now...that's the difference. You think he'd look that good if they'd put him in as a rookie?

No, I think you guys like to keep changing your stories.

Tons of people here said putting in Romo was going to **** Dallas' season, but he's been their savior.

Kind of funny, but all the posters who were professing that opinion don't have **** to say about the Dallas quarterback situation anymore.

[-Slap-]

Actually, Khan is wrong. Taking decided exceptions like Manning and Marino and then saying "there's no evidence" that starting guys early is bad is just plain wrong. For every Marino there are 15 guys like Tim Couch who might have been OK had there teams handled them better.

Yeah, Cleveland really knew they were drafting some fag who would actually starting CRYING when the home fans booed him.

:rofl:

[BroncoInferno]

No, I think you guys like to keep changing your stories.

Tons of people here said putting in Romo was going to **** Dallas' season, but he's been their savior.

Kind of funny, but all the posters who were professing that opinion don't have **** to say about the Dallas quarterback situation anymore.

I never believed that. Bledsoe was playing like ass and they had a youngster with a couple of years in the system under his belt, so it was time to give him a shot.

[OrangeShadow]

the thing is,jakes so inconsistent, plays well against teams like NE,Pitt and indy and lays eggs against the likes of cleveland and oakland. I dont see how cutler would do worse than jake did against those teams,its just illogical

[-Slap-]

I never believed that. Bledsoe was playing like ass and they had a youngster with a couple of years in the system under his belt, so it was time to give him a shot.

Yeah, I know.

Finding someone on this board who was jamming on Romo last month is like as going to Germany and finding someone who supported the Nazis in WWII.

[BroncoInferno]

Yeah, Cleveland really knew they were drafting some fag who would actually starting CRYING when the home fans booed him.

:rofl:

You just don't know what would have happened with guys if they'd started out in a better situation. Couch looked really good at times and I think there is a decent chance that in a better run organization that handled his development better he would have become at least a solid NFL QB. Maybe not, but I think there are certainly guys who were ruined by being thrown out too soon. Shanahan is playing his hand wisely.

[-Slap-]

the thing is,jakes so inconsistent, plays well against teams like NE,Pitt and indy and lays eggs against the likes of cleveland and oakland. I dont see how cutler would do worse than jake did against those teams,its just illogical

Joke can only really bear down and concentrate when he's a **** hair away from getting benched.

[-Slap-]

You just don't know what would have happened with guys if they'd started out in a better situation. Couch looked really good at times and I think there is a decent chance that in a better run organization that handled his development better he would have become at least a solid NFL QB. Maybe not, but I think there are certainly guys who were ruined by being thrown out too soon. Shanahan is playing his hand wisely.

Shanahan goes home every night and prays Jake will twist an ankle and rescue him.

[fontaine]

I don't think Shanahan is going to bench Plummer.

His decision last week to bench Mike Bell/Foster/Schef was a clear indication that he expects the offense to step up to accomodate Plummer and not the other way around.

I think Mike did the right thing. Let's see if he can shock Foster etc into fighting for their starting spots to see if they can up their game.

At this point does it really make a difference anyway who the QB is? Jay, Jake, I don't really care any more. I'm just going to enjoy this season and our 7-2 start.

Let's forget about playing these blame games on Larry Coyer, Plummer whatever. I'm just going to support everyone on the team and let the chips fall where they may.

[watermock]

One good thing happened...most of the apologists went back into the woodwork.

Most amusing to me was how I somehow was flip flopping when I congratulated Jake for a fine game two weeks ago. Al it was was a stay of exectution.

This week they bring silly stats like "After he threw the two interceptions" he was great. Uh Huh. The game started in the first quarter, not the second half.

Oakland's offense is so pathetic it was almost imposible to lose if we don't turn the ball over.

People, we went into halftime TRAILING OAKLAND. We had a total of SEVEN POINTS till the FOURTH QUARTER.

As far as Vince Young's passer rating, that doesn't surprise me in the least. The talking heads want to slobberknob his oh so bad, just like Vick, who threw up yet another turd just as the talking heads were vindicating themselves.

[OrangeShadow]

people making the point about other rookie qbs not doing well this year need to shut it. Vine young is playing in tennesee and leinart in arizona, two horrible teams with bad o lines and defenses that lack a great deal, not to mention a considerable less amount of coaching than denver has. to compare vince young and leinart to cutler is just dumb.

[Mile High Shack]

You also said Dallas ruined their season by going to Tony Romo.......LOL

Ready to retract that statement yet?

no I didn't

[That One Guy]

I just don't get where everyone is hoping this season ends up. I, for one, just want the season to end with the SB. It's SB or bust in my eyes. It's obvious that if the coin toss goes awry and we end up with bad Jake, there's no way we win the SB. That means we'd need Good Jake for at least three straight games against the toughest teams the NFL has to offer to even have a chance. The odds are definitely in favor of Bad Jake showing up at least once throughout the playoffs to the Super Bowl. That means before you even truly play the games, the odds are against us because we field a nincompoop at QB. So, in my eyes, we may have an impressive season and sport a nice record but who cares? All it gets us is better than 28 teams and a bad draft pick.

Now, if you're content in using Jake and not winning the SB, then why not go with the rookie? If you're not worried about the SB then let's get someone in there that may at least make it an entertaining game rather than Jake who's throws are so bad even the defenders can't get to em.

I like watching Grossman play because I couldn't give a rats @ss about how the team plays and he's fun to watch because of their vertical offense. Let's let Kirkus run fly routes and have Cutler throw bombs all day just to show we can. That'd be fun to watch. Definitely more fun to watch than our team struggling past schmuck teams and then hearing that we can't mess with anything because we may ruin our future.

[That One Guy]

For all those people who keep saying "Support the BRONCOS" or "Get behind THIS team"... Why does it matter if I think they're poop? If I think they could do better, if in my opinion taking a risk would be less of a risk in the long run, what am I hurting? Is it my fault that Mike Bell has absolutely no holes to run through in Pitt? Is Jake showing us all up by throwing horrible passes on purpose?

I, personally, have always loved how the Broncos could run the ball on anyone and could put up points on a brick wall. So what if I want those days back?

[Bronco Bob]

There is no evidence that franchise QB's should wait a year. In fact there is more evidence that putting them in sooner is better. This idea that starting a QB early will ruin them is garbage.

Maybe you should tell Mike Shanahan this. Apparently he must be clueless
to how to groom a quarterback. After all, the only QBs he's had experience
grooming is John Elway and Steve Young.

[Bronco Bob]

No, I think you guys like to keep changing your stories.

Tons of people here said putting in Romo was going to **** Dallas' season, but he's been their savior.

Kind of funny, but all the posters who were professing that opinion don't have **** to say about the Dallas quarterback situation anymore.

Romo sat on the bench four years before he bacame a starter.
That sort of supports the argument of keeping Cutler on the
bench for a least a year.

[Bronco Bob]

the thing is,jakes so inconsistent, plays well against teams like NE,Pitt and indy and lays eggs against the likes of cleveland and oakland. I dont see how cutler would do worse than jake did against those teams,its just illogical

Maybe the teams Plummer did badly against have a pretty good defense?
The Raiders held the Seahawks to 13 points last week, we got 17 on them.
Actually Denver had a better game against the Raiders this week,
the last time Denver played the Raiders, Denver only got 13 points.
Also the Raiders held the Steelers to only 13 points and the Cardinals to 9.
And look what Cleveland did to Atlanta yesterday.
OTOH, Indy has a notoriously bad defense, and Pittsburg's hasn't been
much better the last few weeks.

[Garcia Bronco]

Maybe the teams Plummer did badly against have a pretty good defense?
The Raiders held the Seahawks to 13 points last week, we got 17 on them.
Actually Denver had a better game against the Raiders this week,
the last time Denver played the Raiders, Denver only got 13 points.
Also the Raiders held the Steelers to only 13 points and the Cardinals to 9.
And look what Cleveland did to Atlanta yesterday.
OTOH, Indy has a notoriously bad defense, and Pittsburg's hasn't been
much better the last few weeks.

Don't bother trying to tell people the Riaders and a great defense...they won't listen

[fontaine]

Don't bother trying to tell people the Riaders and a great defense...they won't listen


What was that?

Did you say Plummer sucks?
Hilarious!

[Dedhed]

We see the #1 guy mess up, and start to imagine what the #2 guy would have done in that exact same situation.

#2 wouldn't have under-thrown that ball. It would have been a rocket, way down the field with a marksman's precision. We'd have a first down instead of watching the punting team take the field.

We're allowed to imagine whatever we want, but what helps us to pretend is that we've never seen him start a regular season NFL game. Since he's never played bad, he must be really good!

Next time you see the #1 guy mess up and start imagining what #2 would have done, consider some of the following:
You didn't watch him play in last week's team practice.
You haven't talked to him about his comfort level with the playbook.
You haven't extensively studied his college film.One man has. That man is not afraid to start a player that's doing well in practice, nor is he afraid to bench a long-time starter. Ask Mike Bell. Ask George Foster. Ask Tony Scheffler.

How delusional can people's imaginations get? I was at the 2nd game of the '05 season, (BRONCOS vs Chargers) and listened as the home crowd boo'ed and chanted "BRAD LEE BRAD LEE BRAD LEE" just before halftime. Bradlee Van Pelt, according to 32 teams that won't sign him to their practice squad, is not fit as an NFL Quarterback.


If Cutler gets some real gametime, I'd love to read opinions and comparisons between the two QB's.

Until then, I don't care about how the #1 guy should be benched in favor of your imagination.

Interesting idea, but not rooted in reality. Rooting for #2 in this case is as much a matter of not rooting for what is known to be garbage from the #1. You've removed the idea that it can't get worse than the current #1. That's short-sighted. And while it's certainly possible that Jay could come in and go 16 for 30 with 5 INTs, my own imagination isn't that strong. You don't have to imagine such woeful #s from the current #1 because you see them in reality every other week.

Benching Mike Bell, and George Foster has nowhere near the locker room ramifications that benching Jake would have. That's an apples to oranges comparison.

[-Slap-]

What was that?

Did you say Plummer sucks?
Hilarious!

No, but that's what he was thinking.

[fontaine]

No, but that's what he was thinking.

I agree.

Don't bother trying to tell people the Riaders and a great defense...they won't listen

It's almost like his brain subliminally kicked him in the nuts in protest for typing that.

[jonny1]

Plummer - 7 for 7 on second TD drive

[sarcasm]I just hate the way they continue to win games with Jake at QB, how dare they? [sarcasm]

Okay, now everyone can flame me for being a Plummer homer . . . .

And I particularly love the "we are not going to win the Super Bowl with Plummer . . . ."

Can you give me some good stock tips, since you KNOW the future? Please?

Oh well, I knew the board would be like this today.

[Rohirrim]

All these hypotheticals are fun, but what I want to know is, who the f*** was Jake throwing to on some of those passes yesterday? And then remind me how many years he's been in the NFL.

[55CrushEm]

Cutler wouldn't be doing much better than Leinhart right now...

:bs:

[Garcia Bronco]

:bs:

How so?

[Mile High Shack]

:bs:

how so?

based on what empirical evidence?

Cutler is a rookie.....oh man forget it

I'm sick of pissing into the wind

it is what it is at this point

[BroncoFanCam]

Actually, Khan is wrong. Taking decided exceptions like Manning and Marino and then saying "there's no evidence" that starting guys early is bad is just plain wrong. For every Marino there are 15 guys like Tim Couch who might have been OK had there teams handled them better.Difference is...

You speculate ("coulda shulda woulda been better had they sat"), while players like Elway and Marino say "I am glad I was thrown to the wolves."

And if players like Couch bust, is that the team's fault? f he can't handle the pressure at one of the most glamorous positions in sports, is he REALLY the guy you want in there, in the first place?

[BroncoFanCam]

Plummer - 7 for 7 on second TD drive

[sarcasm]I just hate the way they continue to win games with Jake at QB, how dare they? [sarcasm]

Okay, now everyone can flame me for being a Plummer homer . . . .

And I particularly love the "we are not going to win the Super Bowl with Plummer . . . ."

Can you give me some good stock tips, since you KNOW the future? Please?

Oh well, I knew the board would be like this today.Obviously you should avoid the stock market like the plague...

If you can't see the problems with our "stock" at the moment, you are truly clueless.

[-Slap-]

Obviously you should avoid the stock market like the plague...

If you can't see the problems with our "stock" at the moment, you are truly clueless.

I would like to see some investment banker analyze Jake Plummer as if he were a company and then tell me whether I should buy or sell.

[DrFate]

There is no evidence that franchise QB's should wait a year.

I think that Shanahan's main goal is to keep the team together. I always read that Plummer is popular among the players because he is a 'regular guy'. Putting in Cutler would potentially divide the locker room on a 7-2 team. I don't have much doubt that Cutler could come in and produce. As long as Plummer isn't costing us games, I think he stays. Cutler's time will come soon enough.

[Mile High Shack]

I think that Shanahan's main goal is to keep the team together. I always read that Plummer is popular among the players because he is a 'regular guy'. Putting in Cutler would potentially divide the locker room on a 7-2 team. I don't have much doubt that Cutler could come in and produce. As long as Plummer isn't costing us games, I think he stays. Cutler's time will come soon enough.

that's why I was done with SOB, it was obvious the team could not stand him

Plummer still has this team and until he loses his teammates, it is not the time to make a change at QB and totally wreck some of the confidence and chemistry this team has.

Maybe I'm crazy, but it seems to me, if I was a vet and I see a rook in at qb, that is like saying...ok, not this year, but darnit, wait till next year

[55CrushEm]

how so?

based on what empirical evidence?

Cutler is a rookie.....oh man forget it

I'm sick of pissing into the wind

it is what it is at this point

Uh gee, let me think.....maybe because Cutler plays on a team that is 10 times better than Leinart, and maybe because Shanny is 10 times the coach Green is ???

[rbackfactory80]

omfg ctler rulzzzz!!!

Jake is what is he is....an average QB that plays better with a running game. He'll play bad sometimes, we can only hope that we can overcome those bad games...so far we have been able to. I'm happy with 7-2 and I am hopeful we can still stay on a roll here. Every team has down games, we had 2 very emotional and physically tough games in a row, there are always let downs. Payaton only won 17-16 at home against a bad Bills team........you think their fans are beotching about them being 9-0
if you think you know more than Mike Shanahan, I suggest you try to get an interview with Pat Bowlen, since you live in Denver, it could be possible

You say that about the Colts but after the Patriots lost to us I heard some of their fans wanting the Backup QB to come in. I am sure Belichick must have laughed his ass off at that stupidity.

[Odysseus]

Let me clear my throat.

[Kaylore]

My imagination is awesome.

[Mile High Mojoe]

We see the #1 guy mess up, and start to imagine what the #2 guy would have done in that exact same situation.

#2 wouldn't have under-thrown that ball. It would have been a rocket, way down the field with a marksman's precision. We'd have a first down instead of watching the punting team take the field.

We're allowed to imagine whatever we want, but what helps us to pretend is that we've never seen him start a regular season NFL game. Since he's never played bad, he must be really good!

Next time you see the #1 guy mess up and start imagining what #2 would have done, consider some of the following:
You didn't watch him play in last week's team practice.
You haven't talked to him about his comfort level with the playbook.
You haven't extensively studied his college film.One man has. That man is not afraid to start a player that's doing well in practice, nor is he afraid to bench a long-time starter. Ask Mike Bell. Ask George Foster. Ask Tony Scheffler.

How delusional can people's imaginations get? I was at the 2nd game of the '05 season, (BRONCOS vs Chargers) and listened as the home crowd boo'ed and chanted "BRAD LEE BRAD LEE BRAD LEE" just before halftime. Bradlee Van Pelt, according to 32 teams that won't sign him to their practice squad, is not fit as an NFL Quarterback.


If Cutler gets some real gametime, I'd love to read opinions and comparisons between the two QB's.

Until then, I don't care about how the #1 guy should be benched in favor of your imagination.Drivel.

[Kaylore]

Jake is the reason this running game isn't working. They load the box and leave receivers one-on-one knowing Jake can't beat them.

You know what? I don't care. I don't even think you watched the game given what you are trying to argue, but whatever man. If guys like Mock can still support busts like Robert Gallery, then it's no surprise you, Popps, Alec, and Garcia Bronco can pretend that every time Jake Plummer has a bad game it's not his fault and "everything's cool" and we just are spoiled or whatever.

Wow! Suddenly our run game is opened up and we're completing passes over the middle of the field! Suddenly we're running a spread offense from the shotgun that involves multiple routes and complicated throws into tight places and our rushing attack has opened up! Holy crap! Who'da thunk it? Holy schnikes!

[Northman]

Wow! Suddenly our run game is opened up and we're completing passes over the middle of the field! Suddenly we're running a spread offense from the shotgun that involves multiple routes and complicated throws into tight places and our rushing attack has opened up! Holy crap! Who'da thunk it? Holy schnikes!


Amazing isnt it?

[bronco militia]

Wow! Suddenly our run game is opened up and we're completing passes over the middle of the field! Suddenly we're running a spread offense from the shotgun that involves multiple routes and complicated throws into tight places and our rushing attack has opened up! Holy crap! Who'da thunk it? Holy schnikes!

lol