Louisville Vs Rutgers and is the Big East really a tough Conference(M)

[Garcia Bronco]

Good game thus far


Both Teams score 6 off a turnover. And Louisville ran back a kick. On the extra point Rutgers blocks, but stands around while Lousiville runs in the blocked PAT. LMAO

Louisville 15
Rutgers 7

The Big East conference is not a good conference

[Jose Chung]

When Rutgers' toughest game was at Navy, before this game. Air Force beat Navy worse at Annapolis than this ranked Rutgers team. Of course they're going to be overrated.

I'll second that, the Big East is not a good conference.

[Garcia Bronco]

It's an interesting game thus far

[missingnumber7]

Both Teams are undefeated in Nov. I don't care who you play staying undefeated that long you diserve some propss.

[Garcia Bronco]

Not when you beat up on lesser talent

[Garcia Bronco]

If you're not watching this game...you're missing a good one

[Garcia Bronco]

Right now Louisville is crumbling

[WABronco]

GO RUTGERS!

I love that D-line!

[Garcia Bronco]

The BCS looks like it's about to get tossed on it's arse

[WaffleBoy]

Garcia, what is going on?

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Garcia Bronco]

Basically Rutgers has come back after a disappointing first half and owned Louisville on both sides of the ball. They have completely shut down Their O and score 18 unanswered. With 21 seconds left...they are about to kick would break a 25 all tie

[Garcia Bronco]

He missed it...but Louisville was offsides...OMG!!!

[Garcia Bronco]

He nade thre second one...

Louisville 25
Rutgers 28

13 seonds left...and the clock will roll on change of possession

[WaffleBoy]

That's the game.

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Rich Karlis]

Yeah but RU hasnt played anyone yet...they have been beatin up on nobodys

[Garcia Bronco]

Pardon the expression...but Louisville has been stomped on

[WaffleBoy]

Ohio St./Michigan will be the National Title game now.

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Garcia Bronco]

LMAO...Go Rutgers...it's your night

[WaffleBoy]

Pardon the expression...but Louisville has been stomped on

and beaten.

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Garcia Bronco]

The Students rushed the field with 2 seconds on the clock after the kicker made the tackle on the returner when he wiffed on him in the first half...way to sack up....and the students got off the field quick so they could get off the last play....which was a sack

[Kaylore]

Great game.

[Garcia Bronco]

This is the sports moment of the year...wow

[Jens1893]

and suddenly texas is back in the national title game

[watermock]

Anyone who missed this game missed an all time classic.

Rutgers started football in 1869 and it's finally come full circle.

I like Louisville but I couldn't help rooting for the underdog.

The field is a sea of Red...What a win....

[Garcia Bronco]

Oh yeah...the BCS just got all kinds of screwed up...the talking heads will have a field day

[shakenbake]

Its all falling into place. Now Texas just needs to win the rest of its games.

[Garcia Bronco]

What happens when Wake Forrest and Rutgers play in a BCS game?n LMAO

[WaffleBoy]

There's going to be a real debate now if Michigan loses by a good margin to Ohio St.

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Kaylore]

Like you missed the rules for what the main board is for?

[shakenbake]

There's going to be a real debate now if Michigan loses by a good margin to Ohio St.

The Boy Wonder :super:

The loser of that game isn't going to play for the NC. I hope Texas/tOSU can happen, other than for obvious reasons. That would be our thrid game against them in 2 years. Right now its 1-1 we need a tie breaker.

[Garcia Bronco]

This clearly puts the Hokies back in the NC hunt

[Jens1893]

What happens when Wake Forrest and Rutgers play in a BCS game?n LMAO

i wonder if they had those 2 in mind when they set up the bcs

[Garcia Bronco]

Wake Forrest still has to play a certain team that can beat them

[Jens1893]

i think the bcs could blow up if oklahoma´s loss to oregon is the reason texas doesn´t get to play in the NCG

[Jens1893]

Wake Forrest still has to play a certain team that can beat them

florida state and maryland are tough, yeah ;)

[shakenbake]

Here is a question for you Garcia. Do you think joining the ACC was a bad move for VT ? VT would easily go undefeated in that confernce 7 out of 10 years and would be in a position to play for a NC.

[shakenbake]

i think the bcs could blow up if oklahoma´s loss to oregon is the reason texas doesn´t get to play in the NCG

Funny you mention that. It has been discussed quite a bit on a longhorn board I go to and I actully emailed the 6 guys that make up the computer rankings and asked them how that is currently affecting Texas. This is the reply I got back from Richard Billinglsy:
Hey Jimmy.....that is an excellent question. In my system, as you can see by Texas being ranked #3, Oklahoma's loss to Oregon is not hurting them.But,
in the other computers it is hurting A LOT. In my system the last game
carries a greater weight, in the other computers, every game counts
equal....in essence, Texas gets penalized every week for OU having 2 losses!
If Oklahoma had one loss and were ranked in the Top 10, i think you'd see
Texas a solid # 4 or #5 in the computers instead of #12. Overall.....the
Longhorns would be in a much better position. Bottom line...it hurt a lot.

Richard

[Arkansas Bronco]

You put Rutger in the SEC and they would already have 2 losses by now.

[Garcia Bronco]

Here is a question for you Garcia. Do you think joining the ACC was a bad move for VT ? VT would easily go undefeated in that confernce 7 out of 10 years and would be in a position to play for a NC.

There is more to it than just football. I would still rather be in the ACC, but I think we would just about own the Big East in football had we stayed. Basketball...not so much.

[Garcia Bronco]

You know Masse....author of one of the statistical BCS rankings...is a VT Alum. :)

[Jose Chung]

Funny you mention that. It has been discussed quite a bit on a longhorn board I go to and I actully emailed the 6 guys that make up the computer rankings and asked them how that is currently affecting Texas. This is the reply I got back from Richard Billinglsy:
Hey Jimmy.....that is an excellent question. In my system, as you can see by Texas being ranked #3, Oklahoma's loss to Oregon is not hurting them.But,
in the other computers it is hurting A LOT. In my system the last game
carries a greater weight, in the other computers, every game counts
equal....in essence, Texas gets penalized every week for OU having 2 losses!
If Oklahoma had one loss and were ranked in the Top 10, i think you'd see
Texas a solid # 4 or #5 in the computers instead of #12. Overall.....the
Longhorns would be in a much better position. Bottom line...it hurt a lot.

Richard

Not to mention Pac-10 swept the Big XII this year. This opens the door for USC and Cal. USC's win at Arkansas is looking really good now along with their win against Nebraska. Not to mention Cal is rolling after that early loss at Tennessee.

USC still has Oregon, Cal, ND and rival UCLA to go on their schedule. Along with arguably the toughest OOC of any team in the country.

USC's OOC: @ Arkansas, vs. Nebraska, vs. Notre Dame

I would think USC or Cal would benefit more from the outcome you described.

[Pezman]

Wow! I had to TiVo the game and didnt want to log in til I saw the whole thing... What an absolutely stunning and fun game to watch. This is why I love college ball man! That line for their D was outfreakingstanding no?

[shakenbake]

You know Masse....author of one of the statistical BCS rankings...is a VT Alum. :)

Yea I saw that on his web site when I was emailing him. He had something on there about being a VT Alum.

[Kid A]

Its all falling into place. Now Texas just needs to win the rest of its games.

I'm not so sure. As Chung mentioned, a one-loss USC would have some impressive wins. If Florida or Arkansas wins the SEC with one loss they will be in great position, particularly since they will be playing a good team in the title game. The problem for Texas is they will most likely play Nebraska in the Big XII title game, a team they have already played. As far as I have heard, the BCS doesn't give you extra credit for beating the same team twice, so you really won't gain in the rankings by beating Nebraska again. I might be wrong about this, but I still think Texas might have trouble jumping the SEC winner.

[WABronco]

Did anyone else see Brohm's big brother (who's apparently the QB's coach) bitching him out after every series? How annoying would that be...

[Crushaholic]

Its all falling into place. Now Texas just needs to win the rest of its games.

We're gunning for you this week...:~ohyah!: ;)

[shakenbake]

We're gunning for you this week...:~ohyah!: ;)

Hey, stranger things have happend. Hopefully, the Texas players understand the situation they are in and take care of business. But you never know untill the game is over.

[anthonypacino]

CHAOS!!! I knew this wasn't going to work out smoothly. If Louisville wins then it is unbeaten vs. unbeaten, now it it a mire of crap. Michigan will be the best one loss team but they will not be rematched, Florida and Texas have the best chance to back door in but that will depend mostly on what happens THIS weekend, Nebraska needs to beat aTm to get ranked again then Texas will face at least one more ranked team in the Big 12 championship, that will help alot. Arkansas needs to beat Tennesse to get into the SEC game with Florida so Florida will have a possible top 10 team to help them bolster some late surge. ND doesn't have anyone left but USC and their weak schedule has hurt them.
The only thing I know for fact is Ohio State will have to play someone on Jan 8th.

[Jose Chung]

I'm not so sure. As Chung mentioned, a one-loss USC would have some impressive wins. If Florida or Arkansas wins the SEC with one loss they will be in great position, particularly since they will be playing a good team in the title game. The problem for Texas is they will most likely play Nebraska in the Big XII title game, a team they have already played. As far as I have heard, the BCS doesn't give you extra credit for beating the same team twice, so you really won't gain in the rankings by beating Nebraska again. I might be wrong about this, but I still think Texas might have trouble jumping the SEC winner.

Don't you think if both USC and Arkansas win out, USC should play for the title?

50-14 has to mean something.

[TexanBob]

Texas doesn't realy need to impress the human polls. They're already #3 right behind Ohio St. and Michigan. Their problem is the computer geeks, some of whom still rank them 12th and 14th, remarkably.

Among one-loss teams, I'd look first at who they lost to. If Ohio State beats Michigan, that would seem to say that Texas and Michigan were only beaten by the best team in the country. Florida's loss came to Auburn. Auburn's loss came to Arkansas. Arkansas' loss came to USC and USC's loss came to Oregon State. Meanwhile, Notre Dame's only loss came to Michigan, West Virginia's only loss came to Louisville and Louisville's only loss came to Rutgers.

More is left to sort out. Not only is Ohio St.-Michigan still to be played but so is Cal-USC, Notre Dame-USC, Florida vs Arkansas or Auburn in the SEC title game and Rutgers-West Virginia, Any of those might change the whole equation based on the domino theory of who beat who.

Then there is Texas who can't line up anybody very impressive to beat which may ultimately be its undoing.

BTW, watch for Texas to leapfrog Florida either this week or next week. If moving up past Louisville into a solid number three doesn't get them by the Gators, the strength-of-schedule computers will crucify Florida for playing Western Carolina in two weeks, the same way the computer nerds beat up on Auburn last week for playing Arkansas St.

[Northman]

What happens when Wake Forrest and Rutgers play in a BCS game?n LMAO



That would be cool to watch. But Rutgers running game is nasty. That Rice kid is a dozer.

[Northman]

Don't you think if both USC and Arkansas win out, USC should play for the title?

50-14 has to mean something.



It means nothing. If USC wanted to play in the CG ( Still possibly could ) they should win all their games. They still have a shot but its a long one. Past records means nothing.

[Jose Chung]

Texas doesn't realy need to impress the human polls. They're already #3 right behind Ohio St. and Michigan. Their problem is the computer geeks, some of whom still rank them 12th and 14th, remarkably.

Among one-loss teams, I'd look first at who they lost to. If Ohio State beats Michigan, that would seem to say that Texas and Michigan were only beaten by the best team in the country. Florida's loss came to Auburn. Auburn's loss came to Arkansas. Arkansas' loss came to USC and USC's loss came to Oregon State. Meanwhile, Notre Dame's only loss came to Michigan, West Virginia's only loss came to Louisville and Louisville's only loss came to Rutgers.

More is left to sort out. Not only is Ohio St.-Michigan still to be played but so is Cal-USC, Notre Dame-USC, Florida vs Arkansas or Auburn in the SEC title game and Rutgers-West Virginia, Any of those might change the whole equation based on the domino theory of who beat who.

Then there is Texas who can't line up anybody very impressive to beat which may ultimately be its undoing.

BTW, watch for Texas to leapfrog Florida either this week or next week. If moving up past Louisville into a solid number three doesn't get them by the Gators, the strength-of-schedule computers will crucify Florida for playing Western Carolina in two weeks, the same way the computer nerds beat up on Auburn last week for playing Arkansas St.

BCS
Florida .802 (almost assured to drop for easy schedule coming up, only one ranked opponent left including title game)
Texas .800 (maybe one ranked opponent the rest of schedule including title game)
USC .745 (three ranked opponents left)

Texas doesn't deserve another shot at Ohio State/Michigan we already saw that result.

USC can jump Texas rather easily if they win out. This is because they play Oregon, Cal and Notre Dame all in a row. That along with that impressive wins against Arkansas and Nebraska in OOC. That will help because the Pac-10 swept the Big XII this year. Texas' OOC teams will come back to bite them, since they lost bad at home to Ohio State and played cupcakes for the other OOC games.

[Jens1893]

I am tired of SC. I hope Cal wins the Pac 10 and the NCG is OSU/MU vs. OSU/MU/Auburn/UF.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Sorry Texans. The only way they rematch Tex/OSU is if all SEC teams, USC and ND have more than one loss. SEC champ will be in the January 8 game.

[Jens1893]

Sorry Texans. The only way they rematch Tex/OSU is if all SEC teams, USC and ND have more than one loss. SEC champ will be in the January 8 game.

You scared me there. If ND weasels its way into the title game I´m gonna freak out.

[shakenbake]

I didn't know that the Pac 10 swept the Big XII this year. I thought I saw oregon lose to OU.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

You scared me there. If ND weasels its way into the title game I´m gonna freak out.

Flyboys take care of that tomorrow.

:thumbs:

[shakenbake]

I think Texas can jump Florida, but who knows. USC is the main concern right now. They have a tough schedule down the strech. Texas should get a bump just from being #3 in both the harris and coaches poll (as long as they win this weekend). They win this weekend then they should move up to #2 next week. They have that weekend off preparing for aTm. Again being #3 and then #2 through the Confernce Championship weekend should give them a nice bump overall. Has a team finished #2 in both coaches and harris and not played in the NC game ? Remember the harris and coaches make up 2/3 of the formula the computers only 1/3.

[Jose Chung]

I didn't know that the Pac 10 swept the Big XII this year. I thought I saw oregon lose to OU.

Actually, OU beat Washington. Forgot about that game.

Oregon beat Oklahoma
USC beat Nebraska
ASU beat Colorado
Wazzu beat Baylor

[Jose Chung]

I think Texas can jump Florida, but who knows. USC is the main concern right now. They have a tough schedule down the strech. Texas should get a bump just from being #3 in both the harris and coaches poll (as long as they win this weekend). They win this weekend then they should move up to #2 next week. They have that weekend off preparing for aTm. Again being #3 and then #2 through the Confernce Championship weekend should give them a nice bump overall. Has a team finished #2 in both coaches and harris and not played in the NC game ? Remember the harris and coaches make up 2/3 of the formula the computers only 1/3.

USC finished #2 in coaches and #1 AP poll was not awarded the National Championship game in 2004, against LSU. They probably should've been awarded the game after OU loss to K-State in the Big XII title game.

[shakenbake]

Oregon did not beat Oklahoma. Why is that so hard for people to understand.

[shakenbake]

USC finished #1 in coaches and AP poll was not awarded the National Championship game in 2004, against LSU. They probably should've been awarded the game after OU loss to K-State in the Big XII title game.

where were they ranked going into the confernce championship weekend ?

[Jose Chung]

where were they ranked going into the confernce championship weekend ?

USC was ranked #2 in AP, #1 after Championship weekend
USC was ranked #3 in Coaches, #2 after Championship weekend

They should've played LSU.

[shakenbake]

USC was ranked #2 in AP, #1 after Championship weekend
USC was ranked #3 in Coaches, #2 after Championship weekend

They should've played LSU.

I agree that they should have. Didn't they change the amount of weight the computers carry after that year. It seems like they made some kind of change outside of margin of victory.

[Northman]

Oregon did not beat Oklahoma. Why is that so hard for people to understand.



Scoreboard.

[shakenbake]

USC was ranked #2 in AP, #1 after Championship weekend
USC was ranked #3 in Coaches, #2 after Championship weekend

They should've played LSU.

Should Texas play in the NC game if they finish #2 in both polls? If they win out they will be #2 in both polls.

[Northman]

Should Texas play in the NC game if they finish #2 in both polls? If they win out they will be #2 in both polls.



If Texas leaps over Florida ( Which i doubt ) than i could see them playing OSU again. Problem is, If Michigan plays OSU closer that might hurt Texas. The only way this thing really shakes up is if Michigan upsets OSU. Than it becomes REAL interesting.

[shakenbake]

Scoreboard.

Whatever, anyone with eyes could see that OU beat Oregon in that game. Think of it this way. If the Broncos had lost to someone in that manner, how pissed would you be. They admited they got it wrong. God I hate defending OU, but im not blind.

[shakenbake]

If Texas leaps over Florida ( Which i doubt ) than i could see them playing OSU again. Problem is, If Michigan plays OSU closer that might hurt Texas. The only way this thing really shakes up is if Michigan upsets OSU. Than it becomes REAL interesting.

It was more a question of where they end up in the coaches and harris poll. They are ahead of Florida in both those polls, but behind Florida in the BCS. If they win out they will finish #2 in both the harris and coaches.

[Northman]

Whatever, anyone with eyes could see that OU beat Oregon in that game. Think of it this way. If the Broncos had lost to someone in that manner, how pissed would you be. They admited they got it wrong. God I hate defending OU, but im not blind.


Doesnt really matter how pissed i would be. That stuff happens all the time. Maybe im wrong but wasnt OU up by a couple of TDs in that game? Point is, OU should have put that game away and not allowed Oregon to fight back into the game. You should know by now when you leave a door open eventually some team is going to squeeze by whether they get some Ref help or not.

[Northman]

It was more a question of where they end up in the coaches and harris poll. They are ahead of Florida in both those polls, but behind Florida in the BCS. If they win out they will finish #2 in both the harris and coaches.


Whats holding them up in the BCS?

[shakenbake]

Whats holding them up in the BCS?

The computers don't like them. I think the Computers collectively have them at #10. Part of what is holding them back in the computers is that BS that happend to OU in Oregon (now you can understand my contempt for that call). As posted earlier in the thread I actully emailed the 6 guys that make up the computers and asked them if OU getting hosed is hurting Texas and got this back from Richard Billingsly: Hey Jimmy.....that is an excellent question. In my system, as you can see by Texas being ranked #3, Oklahoma's loss to Oregon is not hurting them. But, in the other computers it is hurting A LOT. In my system the last game carries a greater weight, in the other computers, every game counts equal....in essence, Texas gets penalized every week for OU having 2 losses! If Oklahoma had one loss and were ranked in the Top 10, i think you'd see Texas a solid # 4 or #5 in the computers instead of #12. Overall.....the Longhorns would be in a much better position. Bottom line...it hurt a lot.

Richard

[Garcia Bronco]

Did anyone else see Brohm's big brother (who's apparently the QB's coach) b****ing him out after every series? How annoying would that be...

Two things...one I think you have to professionals and check the sibling aspect at the door.

Two...it was pretty loud...you'd have to yell to be heard

[WABronco]

Two things...one I think you have to professionals and check the sibling aspect at the door.

Two...it was pretty loud...you'd have to yell to be heard

I don't know if I could do that with my bro...annoying!

[Mile High Mojoe]

Did any of you guys watch the Rutgers game last night? I think it’s just so cool they won that game. I loved the intensity of the Rutgers D, to me it’s one of best defensive performances I’ve every seen in college football. I guess it’s just me talking here but I love the corny underdog stories, maybe the best one in all of football this season.

Granted maybe the Cardinals didn’t deserve the #3 ranking but still they were picked by many to get a BCS bowl bid and Rutgers didn’t make up the rankings. Sure Rutgers doesn't deserve to be placed among the top teams in the country but who cares I think I'd rather root for them than Ohio State.

I loved the game, it sort of made up the pain of the 55 to 7 pounding that BYU put on Wyoming yesterday.

[RhymesayersDU]

This paves the way for a 1-loss SEC team to get into the national championship game, THANK YOU RUTGERS!!

Go Florida or Auburn!

[TexanBob]

USC....They should've played LSU.

I agree with you.

So how come, then, you endorse a lower-ranked USC leap-frogging a higher-ranked Texas this year? Seems you are shooting down your own argument.

Fortunately, the computer geeks only count 1/3rd of the formula now instead of 1/2, thanks to that USC fiasco.

Final question: Since USC struggled to beat three straight teams before losing to unranked and unheralded Oregon State, what makes you think they will run the gauntlet of Cal, ND and UCLA?

[BroncoInferno]

If WVA and Louisville deserved to be #3, why doesn't an undefeated Rutgers with a victory of the previous #3 deserve the same?

[Jose Chung]

I agree with you.

So how come, then, you endorse a lower-ranked USC leap-frogging a higher-ranked Texas this year? Seems you are shooting down your own argument.

Fortunately, the computer geeks only count 1/3rd of the formula now instead of 1/2, thanks to that USC fiasco.

Final question: Since USC struggled to beat three straight teams before losing to unranked and unheralded Oregon State, what makes you think they will run the gauntlet of Cal, ND and UCLA?

Reasons

1.) Pac-10 went 4-1 vs. Big XII this season.

USC lost by 2 at Oregon State (2 pt. conversion failed)
Texas lost by 17 vs. Ohio State

USC won by 18 vs. Nebraska (game was never really close)
Texas won by 2 at Nebraska (comeback win for Texas)

2.) The Oregon, Cal and Notre Dame games are all played at the Coliseum.
USC plays well against UCLA at the Rose Bowl.

[shakenbake]

Reasons

1.) Pac-10 went 4-1 vs. Big XII this season.

USC lost by 2 at Oregon State (2 pt. conversion failed)
Texas lost by 17 vs. Ohio State

USC won by 18 vs. Nebraska (game was never really close)
Texas won by 2 at Nebraska (comeback win for Texas)

2.) The Oregon, Cal and Notre Dame games are all played at the Coliseum.
USC plays well against UCLA at the Rose Bowl.

Thats nothing. USC got beat by Oregon st, who got beat by Washington St, who only beat Baylor by 2. Texas beat Baylor 63-31 so obviously Texas is better than USC. Not to mention the last time Texas and USC played each other we all know what happend.

[shakenbake]

Does anyone else find it funny that Chung is thumping his chest over the pac 10 going 3-2 against the Big XII. I will give you the USC over Nebraska win. Thats a solid Pac 10 victory, even if it was a home game for USC. But bragging about beating Baylor and Colorado (sorry Buff fans but your having a down year).

Let me be ther first to say WOW. Way to go Pac 10 you sure do OWN the Big XII

[Northman]

The computers don't like them. I think the Computers collectively have them at #10. Part of what is holding them back in the computers is that BS that happend to OU in Oregon (now you can understand my contempt for that call). As posted earlier in the thread I actully emailed the 6 guys that make up the computers and asked them if OU getting hosed is hurting Texas and got this back from Richard Billingsly: Hey Jimmy.....that is an excellent question. In my system, as you can see by Texas being ranked #3, Oklahoma's loss to Oregon is not hurting them. But, in the other computers it is hurting A LOT. In my system the last game carries a greater weight, in the other computers, every game counts equal....in essence, Texas gets penalized every week for OU having 2 losses! If Oklahoma had one loss and were ranked in the Top 10, i think you'd see Texas a solid # 4 or #5 in the computers instead of #12. Overall.....the Longhorns would be in a much better position. Bottom line...it hurt a lot.

Richard



Very interesting.

[Northman]

Does anyone else find it funny that Chung is thumping his chest over the pac 10 going 3-2 against the Big XII. I will give you the USC over Nebraska win. Thats a solid Pac 10 victory, even if it was a home game for USC. But bragging about beating Baylor and Colorado (sorry Buff fans but your having a down year).

Let me be ther first to say WOW. Way to go Pac 10 you sure do OWN the Big XII



Chung has been tooting the USC horn all year. USC is ranked where they should be. I felt they were to high to begin with and their loss to Oregon St. only proved my point.

[Jose Chung]

Thats nothing. USC got beat by Oregon st, who got beat by Washington St, who only beat Baylor by 2. Texas beat Baylor 63-31 so obviously Texas is better than USC. Not to mention the last time Texas and USC played each other we all know what happend.

USC's win streak: 34
Texas' win streak: 21
-----------------------------------------

Texas' best win this season? Oklahoma

USC's best win this season? @ Arkansas

USC is better than Texas.

[TexanBob]

Reasons

1.) Pac-10 went 4-1 vs. Big XII this season.

USC lost by 2 at Oregon State (2 pt. conversion failed)
Texas lost by 17 vs. Ohio State

USC won by 18 vs. Nebraska (game was never really close)
Texas won by 2 at Nebraska (comeback win for Texas)

2.) The Oregon, Cal and Notre Dame games are all played at the Coliseum.
USC plays well against UCLA at the Rose Bowl.

1.) You do know that OHIO St. and OREGON St. are two different schools, don't you? We lost by 17 to the consensus #1 team in the country. You lost to a basketball school. They aren't even ranked. Who cares if you only lost by two. The point is you lost to a team that others have easily beaten.

Secondly, let's see how well USC had played Nebraska in 30 degrees and blowing snow. Those sissy Californians would be getting friendly with the mascot in a weak attempt just to stay warm.

Oh, by the way I DO recall that Texas and USC met on the field recently. ESPN gave you a one-month BJ calling you the 'best team in college football history' yada yada yada. And who spoiled THAT coronation? Remember?

2.) Win a few of those and maybe we'll talk. It's really difficult to keep a team up for four straight weeks. One of those games, USC is likely to have a flat performance and you'd better hope it's against UCLA because they suck.

[Jose Chung]

1.) You do know that OHIO St. and OREGON St. are two different schools, don't you? We lost by 17 to the consensus #1 team in the country. You lost to a basketball school. They aren't even ranked. Who cares if you only lost by two. The point is you lost to a team that others have easily beaten.

Secondly, let's see how well USC had played Nebraska in 30 degrees and blowing snow. Those sissy Californians would be getting friendly with the mascot in a weak attempt just to stay warm.

Oh, by the way I DO recall that Texas and USC met on the field recently. ESPN gave you a one-month BJ calling you the 'best team in college football history' yada yada yada. And who spoiled THAT coronation? Remember?

2.) Win a few of those and maybe we'll talk. It's really difficult to keep a team up for four straight weeks. One of those games, USC is likely to have a flat performance and you'd better hope it's against UCLA because they suck.


Oregon State is a basketball school, since when?

Arizona, UCLA, Washington and Oregon are the basketball schools in the Pac-10 this year. USC will also be on the rise with Cal being down, Oregon State and Stanford will be middle of the league. Wazzu and ASU will be bottom feeders.

The point is Texas' best win came against Oklahoma. Oregon beat Oklahoma, Oregon will probably end up in the Sun Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl.

[TexanBob]

The point is Texas' best win came against Oklahoma. Oregon beat Oklahoma, Oregon will probably end up in the Sun Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl.

Oregon St. got blown out by Boise St., so by that logic, USC is 30 pts. worse than Boise St.

The more you try to justify this, the sillier your arguments get.

BTW, I just saw Brad Edwards on ESPN News. Their resident BCS expert said the Rutgers win helps Texas most because it will move them firmly into the #3 spot in the human polls and right in position to take over #2 (you DO value #2 in the polls according to your discussion of the 2004 USC season, remember?).

Texas' ranking, however, is tied to Ohio State's. If Michigan wins, Texas will probably still be ranked below Ohio State. But if Ohio State wins, Michigan is apt to sink. Also, Texas benefits every time another one-loss team loses such as Arkansas, ND, Cal, USC, etc. because each one will bump Texas' computer rankings up closer to the top through attrition.

He says the only teams with a chance of passing a one-loss Texas are Florida and USC but both would have to hope their computer rankings are well above Texas in order to overcome the advantage Texas will have in the human polls. So if USC does run the table, they are actually *helping* Texas by moving up their computer rankings which will, in turn, solidify the only thing holding them back in the BCS rankings.

Can you say "Catch 22?"

[Jose Chung]

All the sports networks say that if USC runs the table through their last tough stretch unbeaten they deserve to play in the National Championship. I didn't see them praise Texas after Rutgers beat Louisville. I saw Cal and USC were the best teams with 1 loss. You must get different networks than ESPN or FSN.

Texas' best win this season: Oklahoma

USC's best win this season: @ Arkansas

USC is better than Texas.

[Northman]

If USC gets to the Championship game they will get embarrassed. A lot of people thought USC would wipe the floor with Texas last year. Not this guy. I called it and nailed it. I knew Bush would win the Heisman last year but the Trojans would lose the Title game. Texas has been far more impressive in their wins this year than USC has.

[Jose Chung]

If USC gets to the Championship game they will get embarrassed. A lot of people thought USC would wipe the floor with Texas last year. Not this guy. I called it and nailed it. I knew Bush would win the Heisman last year but the Trojans would lose the Title game. Texas has been far more impressive in their wins this year than USC has.

USC 55 - OU 19

The Pac-10 has never been embarrassed in a BCS bowl like that.

[Northman]

Your smoking way too much crack. You got embarrassed last year. One man essentially beat you. But ill use your logic, Texas has beaten everyone by more than 1 td except in 2 games.

Texas Tech- 35-31
Nebraska- 22-20

While USC has blown everyone out except in 4 games.

Wash St- 28-22
Wash- 26-20
Arizona St- 28-21
Oregon St- 33-31 ( Loss )

Texas is better. See how easy that is?

[Jose Chung]

Your smoking way too much crack. You got embarrassed last year. One man essentially beat you. But ill use your logic, Texas has beaten everyone by more than 1 td except in 2 games.

@ Texas Tech- 35-31
@ Nebraska- 22-20

While USC has blown everyone out except in 4 games.

@ Wash St- 28-22
Wash- 26-20
Arizona St- 28-21
@ Oregon St- 33-31 ( Loss )

Texas is better. See how easy that is?

Lets count the ranked teams

USC's ranked
Arkansas (was unranked)
Nebraska (now unranked)
Oregon
Cal
Notre Dame

Texas' ranked
Ohio State
Nebraska (now unranked)
Oklahoma
Texas A&M

Oregon beat Oklahoma, don't forget that.

ASU beat Colorado (21-3), Colorado beat Texas Tech (30-6).

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't know if Texas is better but their QB is playing very well

[TexanBob]

You keep harping on Oklahoma's loss to Oregon but everyone knows it was tainted.

Yet you keep ignoring that your team lost to an unranked three-loss team who was blown out by Boise St. (42-14) and Cal (41-13), not to mention Wazzoo (13-6). Two of those losses were at home so you can't use the road as an excuse for them.

Meanwhile, Texas' only loss is to the consensus #1. Yes, it was at home and it was by 17 points but it was early September. I'll concede that USC's schedule is tougher than Texas' and if you'd stayed undefeated you'd have every right to argue you should play for all the marbles. But you have a giant zit on your face called the Beavers and, try as you might, you can't get the pollsters to ignore that.

[Jose Chung]

You keep harping on Oklahoma's loss to Oregon but everyone knows it was tainted.

Yet you keep ignoring that your team lost to an unranked three-loss team who was blown out by Boise St. (42-14) and Cal (41-13), not to mention Wazzoo (13-6). Two of those losses were at home so you can't use the road as an excuse for them.

Meanwhile, Texas' only loss is to the consensus #1. Yes, it was at home and it was by 17 points but it was early September. I'll concede that USC's schedule is tougher than Texas' and if you'd stayed undefeated you'd have every right to argue you should play for all the marbles. But you have a giant zit on your face called the Beavers and, try as you might, you can't get the pollsters to ignore that.

Wazzoo? Never read that one before. I've seen Wazzu or Wazzou.

If you can concede that USC has played a tougher schedule, can you also concede that they play in a tougher conference?

Tell me who has Ohio State played worth mentioning? Texas. Iowa is unranked now, they don't play Wisconsin. Penn State is overrated if Notre Dame can pummel them. They play a weak OOC too. The only other team worth mentioning is Michigan.

[TexanBob]

If you can concede that USC has played a tougher schedule, can you also concede that they play in a tougher conference?



No. The "tougher schedule" is because you played or will play Arkansas, Nebraska and Notre Dame. Most top colleges only play one tough non-conference opponent, maybe two.

If you'll recall correctly, the reason the BCS computers dissed you three years ago was because you had a weak schedule. Most OOC games are planned up to 10 years in advance so it is hard to tell sometimes which programs will be up and which programs won't except for the elite schools and they are hard for most OOC teams to book.

On the Longhorns website, they have some of their future opponents posted.

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=33&url_subchannel_id=&url_article_id=14&change_well_id=2

Looks like we have a home-and-home with UCLA in 2010-2011.

[Northman]

Man, im glad Jose clarified how much tougher the Pac-man 10 is. The 8th ranked team is about to go down to 2-4 Arizona. Man, must be hard beating those sorry teams in that division. LMAO

[Jose Chung]

Man, im glad Jose clarified how much tougher the Pac-man 10 is. The 8th ranked team is about to go down to 2-4 Arizona. Man, must be hard beating those sorry teams in that division. LMAO

I go to Arizona genius. We're 5-5, and only need 1 more win to be bowl eligible. We have wins against BYU, Wazzu and now Cal.

Sorry teams? All you have to do is look at Iowa State, they're in the Big XII.

[Northman]

I go to Arizona genius. We're 5-5, and only need 1 more win to be bowl eligible. We have wins against BYU, Wazzu and now Cal.

Sorry teams? All you have to do is look at Iowa State, they're in the Big XII.



oh yea, cause 5-5 is that much better. :rofl: :giggle: :rofl: :rofl:

[Jose Chung]

oh yea, cause 5-5 is that much better. :rofl: :giggle: :rofl: :rofl:

Have you seen our schedule? BYU (now ranked), LSU, USC, Wazzu (was ranked) Cal, Oregon.

It's better than the Wahoos. Get ready for an opening loss in your new basketball building from the Cats.

[Elim Garak]

Texas doesn't realy need to impress the human polls. They're already #3 right behind Ohio St. and Michigan. Their problem is the computer geeks, some of whom still rank them 12th and 14th, remarkably.

Among one-loss teams, I'd look first at who they lost to. If Ohio State beats Michigan, that would seem to say that Texas and Michigan were only beaten by the best team in the country. Florida's loss came to Auburn. Auburn's loss came to Arkansas. Arkansas' loss came to USC and USC's loss came to Oregon State. Meanwhile, Notre Dame's only loss came to Michigan, West Virginia's only loss came to Louisville and Louisville's only loss came to Rutgers.

More is left to sort out. Not only is Ohio St.-Michigan still to be played but so is Cal-USC, Notre Dame-USC, Florida vs Arkansas or Auburn in the SEC title game and Rutgers-West Virginia, Any of those might change the whole equation based on the domino theory of who beat who.

Then there is Texas who can't line up anybody very impressive to beat which may ultimately be its undoing.

BTW, watch for Texas to leapfrog Florida either this week or next week. If moving up past Louisville into a solid number three doesn't get them by the Gators, the strength-of-schedule computers will crucify Florida for playing Western Carolina in two weeks, the same way the computer nerds beat up on Auburn last week for playing Arkansas St.

ROFL! Ha! Hilarious!

Choke em Horns!