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smalltowngrll
11-09-2006, 09:33 AM
Didn't see this posted....

AP: Startling findings in Tillman probe


In a remote and dangerous corner of Afghanistan, under the protective roar of Apache attack helicopters and B-52 bombers, special agents and investigators did their work.

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They walked the landscape with surviving witnesses. They found a rock stained with the blood of the victim. They re-enacted the killings — here the U.S. Army Rangers swept through the canyon in their Humvee, blasting away; here the doomed man waved his arms, pleading for recognition as a friend, not an enemy.

"Cease fire, friendlies, I am Pat (expletive) Tillman, damn it!" the NFL star shouted, again and again.

The latest inquiry into Tillman's death by friendly fire should end next month; authorities have said they intend to release to the public only a synopsis of their report. But The Associated Press has combed through the results of 2 1/4 years of investigations — reviewed thousands of pages of internal Army documents, interviewed dozens of people familiar with the case — and uncovered some startling findings.

One of the four shooters, Staff Sgt. Trevor Alders, had recently had PRK laser eye surgery. He said although he could see two sets of hands "straight up," his vision was "hazy." In the absence of "friendly identifying signals," he assumed Tillman and an allied Afghan who also was killed were enemy.

Another, Spc. Steve Elliott, said he was "excited" by the sight of rifles, muzzle flashes and "shapes." A third, Spc. Stephen Ashpole, said he saw two figures, and just aimed where everyone else was shooting.

Squad leader Sgt. Greg Baker had 20-20 eyesight, but claimed he had "tunnel vision." Amid the chaos and pumping adrenaline, Baker said he hammered what he thought was the enemy but was actually the allied Afghan fighter next to Tillman who was trying to give the Americans cover: "I zoned in on him because I could see the AK-47. I focused only on him."

All four failed to identify their targets before firing, a direct violation of the fire discipline techniques drilled into every soldier.

There's more:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061109/ap_on_re_us/inquest_for_a_warrior

LordHelmchen
11-09-2006, 09:36 AM
It's been posted in the WRP :)

Alkazar
11-09-2006, 09:38 AM
If thats the case then there will definately be charges brought against the 4 shooters. I'm ex-military and you ALWAYS follow your training and identify your target before pulling the trigger.

Billy Clyde Puckett
11-09-2006, 09:50 AM
John Krakauer (Into Thin Air) went to Afganistan a couple of months ago to begin research on a book about Tillman's death. He is the only authorized authorized by the family to publish a book.

Arkie
11-09-2006, 10:40 AM
I think Tillman was assassinated by American snipers. It's just too suspicious all the things that went wrong to get him killed, and then how badly they tried to cover it up. Some of the soldiers still won't cooperate and have hired lawyers.

wolf754life
11-09-2006, 11:40 AM
this pisses me off something horribly

Alkazar
11-09-2006, 11:47 AM
I think Tillman was assassinated by American snipers. It's just too suspicious all the things that went wrong to get him killed, and then how badly they tried to cover it up. Some of the soldiers still won't cooperate and have hired lawyers.

Hate to disagree with you Arkie, but this makes absolutely no sense. Why would America target a known football player, a hero in some peoples eyes for putting his high-paying NFL career on hold and joining the military. Sorry, but despite mistakes made by our government, its not that stupid. The soldiers involved got lwayers because they know they are going to Levenworth for manslaughter and dereliction of duty if nothing else.

-Slap-
11-09-2006, 12:11 PM
Hate to disagree with you Arkie, but this makes absolutely no sense. Why would America target a known football player, a hero in some peoples eyes for putting his high-paying NFL career on hold and joining the military. Sorry, but despite mistakes made by our government, its not that stupid. The soldiers involved got lwayers because they know they are going to Levenworth for manslaughter and dereliction of duty if nothing else.

It wouldn't necessarily have to be a government conspiracy would it? Any group of people can conspire about anything.

Alkazar
11-09-2006, 12:21 PM
It wouldn't necessarily have to be a government conspiracy would it? Any group of people can conspire about anything.

True, but he specifically said "American" snipers indicating he thought the Gov't or military had it in for Tillman, which makes no sense.

Arkie
11-09-2006, 03:35 PM
I think a group of non-foreign guys conspired to kill Tillman. I know the US government knew nothing about this before it happened. The story was he died while charging up a hill into enemy fire. Then we found out it was friendly fire in the fog of war. Now it's just an accident with the platoon splitting up and one group opening fire on Tillman's group.

Dutch
11-09-2006, 03:55 PM
This needs to be moved

Alkazar
11-09-2006, 04:06 PM
Why? It'll soon slip off into the back pages anyway.