Dumerville to Start

[Rascal]

According to rotoworld as Ekuban and Predator are out.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I dont like this at all.

[azbroncfan]

THat sucks we are going to have to watch John Engleberger play half the game. They should try a 3-4 D this week instead of JE's nonexistence.

[-Slap-]

This is unfortunate because his effectiveness will diminish with too many reps, but their hands are tied due to injuries.

[Smiling Assassin27]

if i'm shell, i tell lamont jordan that we're gonna give it to him 35 times.

[bronco militia]

this would be a good week for the offense to finally help the defense

[Rascal]

this would be a good week for the offense to finally help the defense

BAH!!!!

[Rascal]

if i'm shell, i tell lamont jordan that we're gonna give it to him 35 times.

with his YPA average they should have been doing that a long time ago.

[Liquid Courage]

based on the ratings, it sounds like noone watched the MNF game between the Raiders and Seahawks, but if you happened to watch you might feel a bit more optimistic about this. if we line Dumervil's speed, footwork and technique against Gallery, he may have a day for the ages.

I definitely agree that this hurts our rush defense, but do we really think that we are going to suffer THAT much against the Raiders OL?

[BroncoInferno]

This is unfortunate because his effectiveness will diminish with too many reps, but their hands are tied due to injuries.

Yeah, this is a concern. It'd be nice if we could wrap something up with 2 or 3 games to go and give him a rest up for the playoffs.

[-Slap-]

based on the ratings, it sounds like noone watched the MNF game between the Raiders and Seahawks, but if you happened to watch you might feel a bit more optimistic about this. if we line Dumervil's speed, footwork and technique against Gallery, he may have a day for the ages.

I definitely agree that this hurts our rush defense, but do we really think that we are going to suffer THAT much against the Raiders OL?

I'm not concerned about the rushing defense. Dumervil racked up a hell of a lot of tackles last year. I'm worried about wearing him down.

[REB]

Maybe I'm missing something here. I think he has some damn good talent and will have a great game. jmho

[WABronco]

THat sucks we are going to have to watch John Engleberger play half the game. They should try a 3-4 D this week instead of JE's nonexistence.

Engelberger looked a helluva lot better than any of our other ends, on a consistent basis. He got penetration twice when the Steelers were inside their 10, and he made a nice tackle in pursuit as well...

[WABronco]

This is not good though, IMO. Dummy (HA!) was visibly trashed in the 4th quarter...all he was doing was slapping hands.

[SteveTensi13]

based on the ratings, it sounds like noone watched the MNF game between the Raiders and Seahawks, but if you happened to watch you might feel a bit more optimistic about this. if we line Dumervil's speed, footwork and technique against Gallery, he may have a day for the ages.

I definitely agree that this hurts our rush defense, but do we really think that we are going to suffer THAT much against the Raiders OL?

I watched part of that game and saw Gallery get beat like an ugly red headed step child! No way could someone of his talent be that bad. Even when they had max protect schemes going the running backs looked like they didnt have a clue as to who to pick up on the blitz. Truly a pathetic display of OL play or lack thereof! Dumerville should have a three sack game!

[sirhcyennek81]

Raider O line is not devoid of talent, but is devoid of a singular purpose or Identity. I think having a HOF Line coach, and head coach, is ****ing the youngsters up.

:Broncos:

[broncosteven]

Just because he is getting the start does not mean that he playing playing 60 min. They will still rotate the scrub #60 in. This just means that they are Starting the better player.

I am glad they are rewarding Elvis based on his performance.

I watched Engberger persue in the run game last week & was not impressed, although Parker is fast. I am glad they are starting the better player.

[listopencil]

Elvis better eat his Wheaties. I guess it's time to find out what he can do.

[ludo21]

this would be a good week for the offense to finally help the defense

yeah 31 ppg is awful the last 2 weeks :giggle:

Dooooomervill is great on passing downs, now here is his chance to prove he has the full game. JE is a good run stopper so im not too worried, but our depth is thinning which is bad.

[UKBronco]

There always appears to be a trend on this board where players get trashed because they aren't the 'name' guys, or they don't have the stats.

Engelberger being one of them. I don't get why the popular opinion of this guy is that he's a waste of space. I've seen nothing but hustle from him, and he actually is one of the few players to get any rush off the edge and from what i've seen, has never been a liability in run stopping either.

There are a lot of guys on this TEAM that play an integral part, in the past i've seen players like Mike Leach being trashed despite being a rock on special teams, and a bloody good long snapper (a job where you have to be 100%). There's way to much hating on players who quietly go about their job and actually contribute to the teams success without so much as a suicide attempt or a slap-of-the-wife.

[ward63]

Lang plays right DE right? So he'll be up against Gallery correct?

[sirhcyennek81]

Engleberger is the one who put pressure on Big Ben when the steelers were on there 2, causing ben to step up and get sacked by lang. it should have been a safety. JE is underrated, IMO.

:Broncos:

[broncosteven]

Engleberger is the one who put pressure on Big Ben when the steelers were on there 2, causing ben to step up and get sacked by lang. it should have been a safety. JE is underrated, IMO.

:Broncos:

Elvis had A sack & Pressure which caused a Champ Bailey pick if I remember right. JE is a nice backup, not a starter.

[bronco militia]

yeah 31 ppg is awful the last 2 weeks :giggle:

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of course, the points are nice...I'm talking about time of possession.

[Atwater His Ass]

I'll be excited to see what the kid can get done this week. It's nice to finally have another DL since Pryce we can get excited about. Although I did enjoy the short time Neil Smith and Alfred Williams were here.

[broncosteven]

I'll be excited to see what the kid can get done this week. It's nice to finally have another DL since Pryce we can get excited about. Although I did enjoy the short time Neil Smith and Alfred Williams were here.

Williams was a nice find. Too bad his stay was so short.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

There always appears to be a trend on this board where players get trashed because they aren't the 'name' guys, or they don't have the stats.

Engelberger being one of them. I don't get why the popular opinion of this guy is that he's a waste of space. I've seen nothing but hustle from him, and he actually is one of the few players to get any rush off the edge and from what i've seen, has never been a liability in run stopping either.

There are a lot of guys on this TEAM that play an integral part, in the past i've seen players like Mike Leach being trashed despite being a rock on special teams, and a bloody good long snapper (a job where you have to be 100%). There's way to much hating on players who quietly go about their job and actually contribute to the teams success without so much as a suicide attempt or a slap-of-the-wife.


Absolutely. Without Brown, Engleberger is the most consistent run stopper of teh DEs.

[jonny1]

JE is a nice backup, not a starter.

Well, now the starter is out, so he has to play.

That's why you get as many "nice" backups as you can.

[cmhargrove]

A. I think Engle-meister will do a fine job.

B. I feel much better about healing guys up this week, with the Chiefs and Chargers in the near future.

C. I'm pretty pumped about the chance of seeing Nate Webster play again. I want to see him knock his freakin' helmet off again. Hopefully, he'll knock some Raider helmets as well.

Beware our backups, I think these guys are hungry and well led. I think they will put up a great game as long as Foxworth and Paymah keep it together.

[WABronco]

I want to see Paymah and Abdullah get some time...especially Paymah.

[broncosteven]

I want to see Paymah and Abdullah get some time...especially Paymah.

Paymah had a great recovery on a deep ball last week. I would like to see him be physical but that won't happen in this D.

[BroncoBuff]

Corey Jackson
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Corey Jackson!

[watermock]

Cecil

This is when you appreciate role players, or "roster fillers"...hopefully.

I also hope we don't look past them again. Luckily, we will be playing a dejected team in front of a half empty stadium.

[epa86b@netzero]

I want to see Paymah and Abdullah get some time...especially Paymah.

I want to see them both as well.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Corey Jackson
Corey Jackson
Corey Jackson
Corey Jackson
Corey Jackson
Corey Jackson!

Isn't he a fry cook at Chick Fillet now? ;D

[BroncoFanCam]

I want to see his lightning feet run circles around that lead-footed Robert Gallery, unfortunately I think he is usually lined up on the other side.

At any rate, whomever is on that side of the line should have fun with that gelatinous waste of a #2 pick.

[bpc]

I'm not too worried. The guy has three sacks against Oakland last time they played. He is probably pumped. Oakland cannot protect the passer. He could jump into double digit sacks starting this whole game. I would be happy with one, he could do much better though.

This is a chance for him to step up and show what he can do. From what we've seen since he stepped on the field in his first week of action, he has gotten better and better. He is going to be a key component of transforming this unit into an effective pass rushing defense.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Dumerville weighs the same as Jason Taylor on a frame 7 inches shorter. I'm not concerend about him. He deserves to start based on how he's performed. How great would it be if this dude seizes the opportunity and never gives it back so we wind up with a monster pass rusher off the edge on every down.

[BroncoFanCam]

I'm not too worried. The guy has three sacks against Oakland last time they played. He is probably pumped. Oakland cannot protect the passer. He could jump into double digit sacks starting this whole game. I would be happy with one, he could do much better though.

This is a chance for him to step up and show what he can do. From what we've seen since he stepped on the field in his first week of action, he has gotten better and better. He is going to be a key component of transforming this unit into an effective pass rushing defense.Hopefully as the game wears on (being smaller/faster) will really start to affect the big guys on the other side.

The way some of the Seahwaks were going right around the edge, leans to his favor.

They did it all night long, that line was pathetic.

[azbroncfan]

Engleberger is the one who put pressure on Big Ben when the steelers were on there 2, causing ben to step up and get sacked by lang. it should have been a safety. JE is underrated, IMO.

:Broncos:

1 time all year, wait 2 times in 2 years JE got off a block and made the play BEHIND the LOS. Sure he has made a couple tackles 5+ yards downfield but thats because he was pushed there. The guy is a marginal player with no explosiveness and some hustle. Hustle only goes so far without the skill necessary.

[watermock]

If he's going to start, let's get his name straight. I believe it's Dumervil.

Gallery was a beast at Iowa in a pro set. I have no idea why he's so pathetic.

Denver and Oakland never trade. I would trade a 3rd but there is no point. I watched him at Iowa and he was Dominant. He's just not fighting hard for whatever reason.

I think he just hates it there and wants out.

[azbroncfan]

If he's going to start, let's get his name straight. I believe it's Dumervil.

Gallery was a beast at Iowa in a pro set. I have no idea why he's so pathetic.

Denver and Oakland never trade. I would trade a 3rd but there is no point. I watched him at Iowa and he was Dominant. He's just not fighting hard for whatever reason.

I think he just hates it there and wants out.

I'm not sure the guy has the mean streak, I always see him look unagressive, he has all the tools but plays weak.

[BroncoFanCam]

If he's going to start, let's get his name straight. I believe it's Dumervil.

Gallery was a beast at Iowa in a pro set. I have no idea why he's so pathetic.

Denver and Oakland never trade. I would trade a 3rd but there is no point. I watched him at Iowa and he was Dominant. He's just not fighting hard for whatever reason.

I think he just hates it there and wants out.Plummer/Gallery trade.
:wave:

[watermock]

We was plenty agressive at Iowa, or he wouldn't of been taken @2...he never would of lasted past 10...no way.

I wish we could trade for him honestly.

[Kaylore]

He'll be fine. Injuries happen and he'll need to step up. This game will be close, though.

[watermock]

Plummer/Gallery trade.
:wave:

I would do that but Oakland/Denver trades simply don't happen. We could make a back door deal to send Plummer to Washington and get a hook to Gallery if the stars aligned.

We could send a Wash could send a third to Washinton for Gallery, then we could trade for Gallery/Plummer to go to Washington.

Oakland gets a 3rd to waste, Wash gets Plummer and we get cap relief, and get a player I believe can be rehabbed with proper motivation.

Makes too much sense to happen.

Complicated. Oakland would get a 3rd from Wash for Gallery...The skins get Plummer for Gallery. Wash gets Plummer for a third, we get Gallery, Oakland gets a pick.

[bpc]

I'm content with pounding the rock straight at Oakland like we have done the last two times we've went there and kicked their ass. This doesn't need to be pretty. Just effective.

We need to get out of Oakland with a W... i wouldn't be surprised if the coaching staff is double scheming right now for the short KC week already.

Hopefully we can just take care of Oakland and it doesn't bite us in the ass.

[BroncoFanCam]

I would do that but Oakland/Denver trades simply don't happen. We could make a back door deal to send Plummer to Washington and get a hook to Gallery if the stars aligned.

We could send a Wash could send a third to Washinton for Gallery, then we could trade for Gallery/Plummer to go to Washington.

Oakland gets a 3rd to waste, Wash gets Plummer and we get cap relief, and get a player I believe can be rehabbed with proper motivation.

Makes too much sense to happen.

Complicated. Oakland would get a 3rd from Wash for Gallery...The skins get Plummer for Gallery. Wash gets Plummer for a third, we get Gallery, Oakland gets a pick.Believe me I know the Oak/Den trade "policy". Or lack thereof.

And I would basically take just about anything for Jake next year, fact is, he's on the way out. It's either get something, or let him sit and cut him.

[Drek]

Engelberger gets some unfair hate. He had a bad '05 when he was still learning the defense and how he could fit in it. So far this season he has been our second best run stopping end, behind Ekuban who's been playing very well. Engelberger isn't a guy I want to see starting game in and game out, but he's a quality backup/injury replacement and will fit in well rotating with Dumervil.

[BroncoBuff]

I don't know what you guys are talking about. Erik Pears is better than that stringy-hair Robert Gallery POS.

What I want to know is what's up with Adam Meadows? I saw him dressed on the sidelines, but he never went into the game....

[Lidderer]

of course, the points are nice...I'm talking about time of possession.


how on earth can you post 7,000 times about football and have no real understanding of the game?

[BroncoBuff]

Williams was a nice find. Too bad his stay was so short.
Williams was more than just a "nice find," neighbor. He accomplished an unheard of FOUR FOR FOUR:

First Team ALL AMERICAN at Colorado
NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP at Colorado
First Team ALL-PRO with the Broncos (twice)
SUPER BOWL VICTORY with the Broncos (twice)

I doubt anybody else has ever accomplished such a Four-Some in one metropolitan area.... the pinnacle of college footbal and pinnacle of pro football. It would be impossible to have accomplished more in the game of football than Alfred Williams did. If his body hadn't worn down, he might have even been a HOF candidate. It's a shame more people don't give him more credit ....

[fontaine]

I'm excited about Dumervil. He gets excellent leverage with his long arms and stout frame, and his first step is very good. This forces OTs to play with great technique and at all times keeping their knees bent.

I know Dumervil will do good things on Sunday, but as Slap said this kid will wear down the more snaps he gets but we have no choice.

One things for sure. We've already gotten tremendous value from this kid and with the extended snaps, he's getting great experience so we'll see what he's made out of!

[bronco militia]

how on earth can you post 7,000 times about football and have no real understanding of the game?

what the hell are you talking about?

scoring 31 points in back to back weeks is nice. Against the Colts it should have been enough, but against the Steelers, the Broncos scored on big playes and rarelly controlled the game on offense. The offense is still a work in progress.

because of the injuries, this would be a good week for the offense to control the game and help keep the defense off the field.

[Rock Chalk]

how on earth can you post 7,000 times about football and have no real understanding of the game?

How does one post 60,000 times and not have a clue about anything?

[Kaylore]

I've done some research on Elvis' drop-off in production last season and come to some conclusions I'm pretty confident in. I really don't think he got worn down so much as he found a grove, got on it, and then people started game planning around him.

Here's a list of his 2004 stats. This was the first year he was a full time starter and you can clearly see that he has his best performance the second half of the year. In 2004 Boise State was on fire, Zebranski was playing at a high level and their protection was excellent. Dumervil was very disruptive in that game, even if the stats don't show it, and two games prior he had notched 5 sacks. He didn’t get worn down at all.

2004 Game-By-Game
Game A U Tot TFL Sacks Int
Kentucky 1 4 5 0.5-1 1-1 0-0
Army 0 3 3 0-0 0-0 0-0
UNC 1 1 2 0-0 0-0 0-0
ECU 5 0 5 3-16 2-14 0-0
Miami 2 3 5 0-0 0-0 0-0
USF 1 3 4 0-0 0-0 0-0
Memphis 1 3 4 0.5-0 0-0 0-0
TCU 2 0 2 2-6 2-6 0-0
Houston 2 3 5 0-0 0-0 0-0
UC 6 1 7 1-5 1-5 0-0
Tulane 7 0 7 4-27 3-21 0-0
Boise St. 0 3 3 0.5-4 1-4 0-0

Now moving to 2005 at look at his stats shows a drop off the last four games of the season.

SACKS
UK 6.0-43
OSU 3.0-30
USF 0
FAU 3.0-28
NC 3.0-25
WVU 1.5-14
CIN 2.5-17
PITT 1.0-3
RUTG 0
SYRACUSE 0
UCONN 0
VT 0

Some might argue that he got tired or worn down. However a closer look reveals some interesting findings.

While Elvis’ production statistically did fall off, his teammates on the line saw their number of sacks increase dramatically. Louisville had 44 sacks that season, with 20 of them coming from Elvis alone. 11 0f those other 24 sacks were notched the final four games of the season when Elvis got shut out – that’s half the sacks of the rest of the team in the final four games.

That means that opponents were basically scheming to shut down Elvis, and while they did manage to do that, it cost them in other areas and he was still disruptive enough that he managed to force three fumbles that last stretch.

Elvis’ production drop-off has nothing to do with his size, being small and/or being worn down. At that point in time, he had already grabbed national headlines and was a lock for several defensive awards. Any coach allowing him to have a good game would shrivel and die on offense and be under the scrutiny of the media for letting it happen. Elvis was so good that offensive lines were scheming their protections specifically to shut him down the last fourth of the year and it sprung the rest of the guys lose.

Obviously whether or not his smaller frame will be able to hold up to the abuse of the NFL with a longer season is another question. His play level in college doesn't appear to be evidence toward that line of thinking. Also consider the rotation up front that we feature is exactly the kind of system that will play toward keeping Elvis fresh rather than wearing him down.

Dumervil will be great.

[BroncoInferno]

Good stuff, Khan. I'm still a little skeptical that getting his 250 pound body knocked around by 330 pounders won't take it's toll, but your reseasrch does make me more optimistic.

[-Slap-]

Great post, Kaylore. I still think he's going to wear down some fighting double teams all year, but I predict he'll be equal to the challenge.

[Kaylore]

Good stuff, Khan. I'm still a little skeptical that getting his 250 pound body knocked around by 330 pounders won't take it's toll, but your reseasrch does make me more optimistic.

If it's the weight that's the problem, consider guys like Jason Taylor who are lighter and enjoy regular success, or even running backs who take more abuse with smaller size. Elvis is a stout, sturdy player. I expect he'll hold up pretty well.

[Kaylore]

Great post, Kaylore. I still think he's going to wear down some fighting double teams all year, but I predict he'll be equal to the challenge.
I really think he'll be ok. I'm not predicting Reggie White, but he's someone who will regularly notch 7-9 sacks every year and will have good games against big slow tackles. Not bad at all.

[Mile High Shack]

I really think he'll be ok. I'm not predicting Reggie White, but he's someone who will regularly notch 7-9 sacks every year and will have good games against big slow tackles. Not bad at all.

which is what Gallery is

:)

[-Slap-]

I really think he'll be ok. I'm not predicting Reggie White, but he's someone who will regularly notch 7-9 sacks every year and will have good games against big slow tackles. Not bad at all.

He might be good for double figures every year, if we get him a little more help. I like that we flip flop him from side to side. He's racked up sacks from the RE and LE spots already this year.

[Kaylore]

He might be good for double figures every year, if we get him a little more help. I like that we flip flop him from side to side. He's racked up sacks from the RE and LE spots already this year.

I agree. I'd like to see a real big physical guy on the other side to compliment him. That would balance things out a bit and maybe even force the run to one side over another. Lang has been playing very well, but he's not very big and is on the wrong side of thirty.

[-Slap-]

I want to get a big ornery pocket collapsing DT. Give me another speed rusher on the outside. Quentin Groves from Auburn will do nicely.

[fontaine]

I really think he'll be ok. I'm not predicting Reggie White, but he's someone who will regularly notch 7-9 sacks every year and will have good games against big slow tackles. Not bad at all.

Great post, Kaylore. I still think he's going to wear down some fighting double teams all year, but I predict he'll be equal to the challenge.

It's great to finally talk about a DL that we actually drafted with hopes of sacks and production instead of just when a Clint Mitchell, Aaron Hunt type will get on the field!

:pimp:

[fontaine]

I want to get a big ornery pocket collapsing DT. Give me another speed rusher on the outside. Quentin Groves from Auburn will do nicely.

We're due one allright!

In fairness to Mike Shanahan, the DL he has targetted (Tommie Harris, Terrell Suggs) have really panned out.

I'm hoping next year we can share draft notes with the Bears (like we did with the Saints) because no one drafts DL like they do. We can offer them our insights on RBs/OL and they can give us the lowdown on the next Alex Brown/Mark Anderson!
;D

[-Slap-]

There will be more of that. We broke the DB draft day jinx and we'll do the same thing for the defensive line. In fact, Elvis has done it already. Now we just need to build on that foundation.

[Clockwork Orange]

In fairness to Mike Shanahan, the DL he has targetted (Tommie Harris, Terrell Suggs) have really panned out.

If I remember correctly, he had Dwight Freeney in his sights, too.

[-Slap-]

We're due one allright!

In fairness to Mike Shanahan, the DL he has targetted (Tommie Harris, Terrell Suggs) have really panned out.


Shanny was also sky high on Dwight Freeney. Another short guy, who would have dropped, except his Combine workout blew everyone away.

[Kaylore]

Our drafts overall have been great these last few years.

[-Slap-]

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/sports/051120/auburn1A.jpg

[Clockwork Orange]

Our drafts overall have been great these last few years.

When all is said and done, the '06 draft could go down as the best in franchise history.

To say I'm intrigued by the long term haul from that weekend would be a gross understatement. :)

[-Slap-]

We'll look back on this draft the way Steelers fans remember '74 and Niner fans remember '86.

[Clockwork Orange]

We'll look back on this draft the way Steelers fans remember '74 and Niner fans remember '86.

Didn't the Steelers draft something like four future HOFers in '74?

[-Slap-]

Didn't the Steelers draft something like four future HOFers in '74?

It certainly made Bradshaw's life a hell of a lot easier.

1974
1 1 21 21 Lynn Swann WR USC
2 2 20 46 Jack Lambert LB Kent State
3 4 4 82 John Stallworth WR Alabama A&M
4 4 22 100 Jimmy Allen DB UCLA
5 5 21 125 Mike Webster C Wisconsin
6 6 19 149 James Wolf DE Prairie View A&M
7 6 20 150 Rick Druschel G North Carolina State
8 7 9 165 Allen Sitterle T North Carolina State
9 7 23 179 Scott Garske TE Eastern Washington
10 8 22 204 Mark Gefert LB Purdue
11 9 15 223 Tom Reamon RB Missouri
12 9 21 229 Charlie Davis T Texas Christian
13 10 9 243 Jim Kregel G Ohio State
14 10 20 254 Dave Atkinson DB Brigham Young
15 11 23 283 Dick Morton RB Arkansas
16 12 22 308 Hugh Lickiss LB Simpson
17 13 21 333 Frank Kolch QB Eastern Michigan
18 14 20 358 Bruce Henley DB Rice
19 15 23 387 Larry Hunt DT Iowa State
20 16 22 412 Octavus Morgan LB Illinois
21 17 21 437 Larry Moore DE Angelo State