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mhgaffney
11-08-2006, 07:13 PM
I understand it's party time. I'm celebrating too. Something very important has just happened.

But -- within a day of two -- we must come back to reality. And the reality is NOT pretty. Check out this report from Gaza.

Israeli PM Olmert has included an out and out racist/fascist to shore up his government. His name: Avigdor Lieberman. Not Joe, this is a different Lieberman -- even worse than the opportunist from CT. This other Lieberman thinks Palestinians are a lower form of life -- and should simply be driven into the desert to die.

In the last few days, while America was focused on the election, at least 260 Palestinians were killed or wounded. Even women are now regarded as a threat.

The following report comes straight from Gaza -- no filters.

A brutal taste of the future

The assault on Beit Hanoun is a terrifying example of what lies in store for Palestinians

By Sami Abdel-Shafi in Gaza City

11/08/06 "Guardian" -- -- The initiation of Avigdor Lieberman - widely regarded as an outright racist - into Ehud Olmert's Israeli government seems to have already brought a taste of things to come. For the past week, the Gaza Strip city of Beit Hanoun has been made a ground zero by the Israeli army. By yesterday, more than 260 Palestinians lay dead and injured, with 53 fatalities - women, children and ambulance drivers among them.

The Israeli army had vowed to end the firing of home-made rockets towards southern Israel. Many Palestinians disagree with the use of these makeshift rockets, but regard Israeli offensives as flagrantly disproportionate. Beit Hanoun was left with no men between the ages of 16 and 45 in the wake of a massive forced round-up by the Israeli army last Thursday night amid helicopter gunfire, tanks and artillery shelling. Women and children in the city sent urgent calls for help through Gaza's radio stations. To these jobless women, losing their men meant breakdown in their households.

On Friday morning, scores of women marched through Beit Hanoun in a spontaneous rush to aid friends and loved ones after hearing their pleas. Unarmed, they were shot at by Israeli soldiers from their tanks; two women were left dead and others severely injured. These women were said to have been heading to a mosque to free armed men who took refuge there. Television footage and interviews with witnesses show these women posed no military threat, but they were treated as such by the Israeli army without warning.

Meanwhile, Lieberman's party, Yisrael Beiteinu ("Israel is Our Home"), envisages expelling Palestinians or subjecting them to such misery that they are forced to leave. The party's spin doctors state it more mildly, saying that it proposes to relocate Palestinians to areas under the Palestinian Authority's control. The Beit Hanoun offensive offers an example of what lies in store for them.

Today, the Palestinian Authority tries to govern a besieged Gaza Strip and a West Bank with disconnected cities and villages. The 1.4 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are imprisoned by closure policies, impoverished and without any hope of a dignified life or economic development. The 1.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank are quickly catching up in a collapse created by the dozens of Israeli military checkpoints and the separation wall which make their lives impossible. Israeli restrictions on movement have made the Palestinians of East Jerusalem look as though they live in a faraway country, from the point of view of West Bankers and Gazans.

The present subjugation of Palestinians to siege, poverty and confinement - in addition to continuing Israeli military attacks - can only make it easier for our people to slip into infighting and tragedy. Both the international community and peace-loving Israelis and Palestinians will inevitably face ever more criticism for their failure to stem this tide of misery. Even to those who never supported Hamas, it is impossible to ignore such a huge double standard: the outside world accepts Lieberman's appointment as deputy prime minister, despite his extreme views, while it boycotts the Palestinian Authority's elected Hamas administration.

One can only wonder at Olmert's insistence that his deputy will not diminish whatever prospects remain of peace. Israel's offensives against Gaza punish an entire population. Bulldozing the area's water and sewage systems, including those built with international donor funding, killing civilians and subjecting tens of thousands of residents to oppressive military measures represent the reality of Israel's policy, whatever its stated objectives.

· Sami Abdel-Shafi is senior partner at Emerge Consulting Group, in Gaza City - sami.abdelshafi@emergeconsultants.com

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian News and Media Limited 2006

ClevelandBronco
11-08-2006, 08:00 PM
gaff.

Reality.

Shoot me in the head. Now.

SteveTensi13
11-09-2006, 01:43 PM
I always considered Palestinians sort of like roaches, shine the light on them and they scatter. I have no problem with driving them into the desert to die or the ocean to drown, either way suits me just fine!

alkemical
11-09-2006, 02:05 PM
http://www.lyricsfind.com/b/black-sabbath/master-of-reality/children-of-the-grave.php


Revolution in their minds - the children start to march
Against the world in which they have to live
And all the hate that's in their hearts
They're tired of being pushed around
And told just what to do
They'll fight the world until they've won
And love comes flowing through

Children of tomorrow live in the tears that fall today
Will the sun rise up tomorrow bringing peace in any way?
Must the world live in the shadow of atomic fear?
Can they win the fight for peace or will they disappear?

So you children of the world,
Listen to what i say
If you want a better place to live in
Spread the words today
Show the world that love is still alive
You must be brave
Or you children of today are
Children of the grave, yeah!

bendog
11-09-2006, 02:07 PM
I always considered Palestinians sort of like roaches, shine the light on them and they scatter. I have no problem with driving them into the desert to die or the ocean to drown, either way suits me just fine!

Have you considered a future with the stasi or nkvd perhaps?

More good news
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061109/ap_on_re_eu/germany_obit_wolf

You'd have liked though

sutoazul
11-09-2006, 02:08 PM
I always considered Palestinians sort of like roaches, shine the light on them and they scatter. I have no problem with driving them into the desert to die or the ocean to drown, either way suits me just fine!

Is this kind of talk allowed on this forum??
ban his ass. Do not erase the post, but punish SteveTensi13

Spider
11-09-2006, 02:08 PM
I understand it's party time. I'm celebrating too. Something very important has just happened.

But -- within a day of two -- we must come back to reality. And the reality is NOT pretty. Check out this report from Gaza.


Thats thier reality not ours ........ Dont realy give a damn ..Fight back or move .........

alkemical
11-09-2006, 02:09 PM
Is this kind of talk allowed on this forum??
ban his ass. Do not erase the post, but punish SteveTensi13

as much as i'd like to hang him for his more than uncanny impressions of B. Arnold - under the comprimise of the US Constitution - i have to allow him to speak.

Spider
11-09-2006, 02:13 PM
as much as i'd like to hang him for his more than uncanny impressions of B. Arnold - under the comprimise of the US Constitution - i have to allow him to speak.

I cant believe I am going to say this , but my simple minded meter maid friend has a point .........it is interfering trying to make things better is why we are in a war with terrorism right now .....we need to cut support to Israel also ...... now if you will excuse me , I need to slam my truck door shut on my hand over and over to ease the pain of pointing out Steve may have a point ...........

Bronco_Beerslug
11-09-2006, 02:16 PM
I cant believe I am going to say this , but my simple minded meter maid friend has a point .........it is interfering trying to make things better is why we are in a war with terrorism right now .....we need to cut support to Israel also ...... now if you will excuse me , I need to slam my truck door shut on my hand over and over to ease the pain of pointing out Steve may have a point ...........
He doesn't have a point. He's a racist and a bigot and proudly states so.

Spider
11-09-2006, 02:18 PM
He doesn't have a point. He's a racist and a bigot and proudly states so.

and there is that aspect also ;D

alkemical
11-09-2006, 02:20 PM
He doesn't have a point. He's a racist and a bigot and proudly states so.

He is allowed to do that. I don't like it any more than klan rallys - but i'd rather it be words than bombs and bullets that are exchanged.

bendog
11-09-2006, 02:24 PM
I say bushii should send Lieberman over there until his voice drives them all so crazy that they make peace just to get Lieberman to leave.

Bronco_Beerslug
11-09-2006, 02:34 PM
He is allowed to do that. I don't like it any more than klan rallys - but i'd rather it be words than bombs and bullets that are exchanged.
I don't know. What do you think about police officers threatening to jail Americans because of their political affiliation?

ak1971
11-09-2006, 02:36 PM
we should mini nuke the world!

Hotrod
11-09-2006, 02:38 PM
I don't know. What do you think about police officers threatening to jail Americans because of their political affiliation?


Well he obviously did a damn poor job of it. Im moving to Canada ;)

alkemical
11-09-2006, 02:41 PM
I don't know. What do you think about police officers threatening to jail Americans because of their political affiliation?

http://it.uwp.edu/gangsters/ice-t.cop.killer.html

Spider
11-09-2006, 02:42 PM
Well he obviously did a damn poor job of it. Im moving to Canada ;)

This time of year ? Florida is the place to go ......... ;D

Bronco_Beerslug
11-09-2006, 02:42 PM
Well he obviously did a damn poor job of it. Im moving to Canada ;)Actually, this is what he says he now is going to do because of the election results. I find nothing humorous about it all really.



Originally Posted by SteveTensi13
"I'll tell you one thing. When I go back to work, the first vehicle I see with a pro-democrat bumper sticker will get a nice visit from the friendly policeman and that friendly policeman just might find some incriminating drugs in said vehicle. I'm not saying, I'm just saying."

Hotrod
11-09-2006, 02:44 PM
This time of year ? Florida is the place to go ......... ;D

Ya Im screwed I cant leave either direction. I've talked **** about Canada for years and the illegals would kill me in Mexico. I guess I'll just stay here and let the communist err leftys take all my money in taxes ;)

Im not bitter I swear ;D

They have the keys lets see if they have the balls to drive this country.

Hotrod
11-09-2006, 02:46 PM
Actually, this is what he says he now is going to do because of the election results. I find nothing humorous about it all really.



Originally Posted by SteveTensi13
"I'll tell you one thing. When I go back to work, the first vehicle I see with a pro-democrat bumper sticker will get a nice visit from the friendly policeman and that friendly policeman just might find some incriminating drugs in said vehicle. I'm not saying, I'm just saying."

Blah you've heard of the dog and his bark compared to his bite. I dont think mall security get to hand out real tickets anyway ;D

Spider
11-09-2006, 02:52 PM
Ya Im screwed I cant leave either direction. I've talked **** about Canada for years and the illegals would kill me in Mexico. I guess I'll just stay here and let the communist err leftys take all my money in taxes ;)

Im not bitter I swear ;D

They have the keys lets see if they have the balls to drive this country.

Thanks now I can quit work and live in style ......... tis good to be lefty ;D

Bronco_Beerslug
11-09-2006, 02:53 PM
Blah you've heard of the dog and his bark compared to his bite. I dont think mall security get to hand out real tickets anyway ;D
Being of a member of the NM state patrol he's probably handed out more than a few tickets. The nation's police are held to higher standards than the public since they are paid by the public to protect and serve the public. They are expected to act professionally and hold no bias in serving the public. Even if this post was half in jest, but who really knows, this kind of behavior is unacceptable by America's police force.

Spider
11-09-2006, 02:55 PM
Rodney King ..... ;D

Hotrod
11-09-2006, 02:56 PM
Thanks now I can quit work and live in style ......... tis good to be lefty ;D

You might get all my $ but you sir wont be getting a X-Mas card this year ;D

Spider
11-09-2006, 02:58 PM
You might get all my $ but you sir wont be getting a X-Mas card this year ;D

Selfish bastard ;D

Hotrod
11-09-2006, 03:00 PM
Being of a member of the NM state patrol he's probably handed out more than a few tickets. The nation's police are held to higher standards than the public since they are paid by the public to protect and serve the public. They are expected to act professionally and hold no bias in serving the public. Even if this post was half in jest, but who really knows, this kind of behavior is unacceptable by America's police force.

Why do you think hes even a member? because he said so??? Hell Im actually Santa Claus so you better not cry you better not blah blah blah or you aint getting **** this year. Ha!

Spider
11-09-2006, 03:02 PM
Why do you think hes even a member? because he said so??? Hell Im actually Santa Claus so you better not cry you better not blah blah blah or you aint getting **** this year. Ha!

Selfish fat Bastard !Booya!

Hotrod
11-09-2006, 03:05 PM
Selfish fat Bastard !Booya!

LOL you **(*(*&(&(*&

Bronco_Beerslug
11-09-2006, 03:16 PM
Why do you think hes even a member? because he said so??? Hell Im actually Santa Claus so you better not cry you better not blah blah blah or you aint getting **** this year. Ha!
He's a NM trooper, no doubt.

mhgaffney
11-09-2006, 08:13 PM
Thats thier reality not ours ........ Dont realy give a damn ..Fight back or move .........

I know you are well meaning -- but you are wrong. And it's time to refocus this thread.

You say it's their reality -- not ours. But the only reason the violence continues is because of the US veto in the Security Council. Do you understand what I'm saying?

The United Nations would have intervened to stop the killing in Gaza and the W Bank many many years ago -- but it couldn't act because of the US veto.

Hello?

The first priority is obviously to STOP THE VIOLENCE. The UN knows this and would act -- by putting peacekeepers on the ground between the Israeli soldiers and the Palestinians.

But here's the catch. Israel doesn't want peacekeepers. Because this would interfere with the stated goal of Zionism -- to settle the entire land with Jews.

Ergo -- no peacekeepers. The US has shielded Israel our special ally -- from all accountability -- by using our veto in the Security Council to block the international community from acting. This is why the violence continues.

The world is powerless to stop it -- because of the US veto. That's us, folks! We are responsible. It's our government -- and our veto.

There is no difference between Israel shooting down unarmed women in the streets -- and the US cavalry shooting down native Americans at Wounded Knee -- just killing them in cold blood.

These are crimes and they scream to heaven. They are an affront to everything we claim we stand for.

Here's a 4 minute video about the latest events in Gaza
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article15556.htm

BroncsRule
11-09-2006, 08:50 PM
IThe United Nations would have intervened to stop the killing in Gaza and the W Bank many many years ago --



You're kidding, right?

The blue hats have NEVER managed a successful military op on their own. Ever.

The UN security force is an absolute laughing stock. They usually even manage to fail at mop up/policing actions, where they are only asked to come in after the shooting has stopped.

Seriously - the blue hats make even the French look competent.

yavoon
11-09-2006, 08:56 PM
as much as i'd like to hang him for his more than uncanny impressions of B. Arnold - under the comprimise of the US Constitution - i have to allow him to speak.

I always knew if u went left u'd get totalitaranism.

Ingsoc.

alkemical
11-09-2006, 08:59 PM
I always knew if u went left u'd get totalitaranism.

Ingsoc.

The end result if capitalism is communisim - das kapital - k. marx

yavoon
11-09-2006, 09:04 PM
The end result if capitalism is communisim - das kapital - k. marx

famous quote, though a little depressing that there are still ppl in the world who hold onto him as not incredibly wrong.

gunns
11-10-2006, 01:20 AM
I cant believe I am going to say this , but my simple minded meter maid friend has a point .........it is interfering trying to make things better is why we are in a war with terrorism right now .....we need to cut support to Israel also ...... now if you will excuse me , I need to slam my truck door shut on my hand over and over to ease the pain of pointing out Steve may have a point ...........

You must be on some acid Spider to have come up with that point in his post. If so, I don't think the you'll suffer much pain on that hand but it might freak you out. :peace:

gunns
11-10-2006, 01:27 AM
Being of a member of the NM state patrol he's probably handed out more than a few tickets. The nation's police are held to higher standards than the public since they are paid by the public to protect and serve the public. They are expected to act professionally and hold no bias in serving the public. Even if this post was half in jest, but who really knows, this kind of behavior is unacceptable by America's police force.

Yeah that's what they tell us and this behavior and statement from someone of his profession doesn't surprise me at all. The one thing I have to hand Tensi is that he doesn't hide behind the mantra you've stated above, he let's it all hang out, while the others do hide behind the mantra and then "surprise" us all by doing something totally unexpected. Sorry, Tensi is the real deal.

W*GS
11-10-2006, 02:11 PM
Hey gaffney - why aren't you over there taking up arms against the Jews?

Bronco_Beerslug
11-10-2006, 02:16 PM
Yeah that's what they tell us and this behavior and statement from someone of his profession doesn't surprise me at all. The one thing I have to hand Tensi is that he doesn't hide behind the mantra you've stated above, he let's it all hang out, while the others do hide behind the mantra and then "surprise" us all by doing something totally unexpected. Sorry, Tensi is the real deal.
No denying that. He's the poster boy for the redneck, bigot, hate filled American.