Rumsfeld History

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Just announced less than 30 minutes after Pelosi called for it.

[Spider]

wasting no time ...........

[Spider]

already a positive step in the right direction ........... Now can we fix the rest

[Garcia Bronco]

Awesome

[Atlas]

I think I like this Pelosi chick. Not only is she cute but people listen to her!!!!

As long as Bush listens to the Dems maybe they won't impeach him.

[TailgateNut]

One down, lot's more to follow!:welcome: :welcome: ByeBye, you POS!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Up next... Bush to explain why his #1 guy on Iraq is history.

[Spider]

Bush will nominate Robert gates to replace Rummy the Dummy

[TailgateNut]

Up next... Bush to explain why his #1 guy on Iraq is history.


Bush-Explain??? Now there's a challenge!

[Rohirrim]

Good to see the door hit Rummy in the ass, although the damage is already done. I'm sure there are a bunch of generals in the Pentagon raising their glasses tonight. :thumbs:

[The Lone Bolt]

!Booya! ^5 :thumbsup: :P :~ohyah!: :D :yayaya: :egbgb: :woowoo:





:wave:

[TailgateNut]

Good to see the door hit Rummy in the ass, although the damage is already done. I'm sure there are a bunch of generals in the Pentagon raising their glasses tonight. :thumbs:


Not only the generals, the sgt's, the Pvt's and many Vet's, including yours truly! One part of the "gaggle of morons" has been eliminated!
Soldier On!

[DomCasual]

We've lost a true American hero today! :poke:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Bush says he's to blame for election losses. Says we can work together. Horrible attempt at humor... says he gave Pelosi the name of interior decorators so she can get new drapes.

Says he's obviously disappointed. He's talking mostly in a condescending tones. Says he and Rumsfeld agree it's time for change.

Bush's tone is definitely one of angry and condescending tone. Robert Gates new SoD.

To our enemies "do not be joyful".
Says America will stand with Iraq.

Question time...

I'm committed to victory in Iraq

Bush is pissed!!!! :)

[TailgateNut]

Christmas in November! HOHOHO!

[defenseman]

Not only the generals, the sgt's, the Pvt's and many Vet's, including yours truly! One part of the "gaggle of morons" has been eliminated!
Soldier On!

To be honest, ALOT of active duty folks DO NOT like the way he managed the war in iraq. He blew it specifically, at the outset. What the hell happened to rumsfeld? Haven't heard a blooming thing about it. Has he actually been fired?.....dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Bush is being grilled hard about him and Cheney over Iraq.

Still can't explain what to do in Iraq

Back to the same tired rhetoric about Iraq and terrorists.

[defenseman]

Bush says he's to blame for election losses. Says we can work together. Horrible attempt at humor... says he gave Pelosi the name of interior decorators so she can get new drapes.

Says he's obviously disappointed. He's talking mostly in a condescending tones. Says he and Rumsfeld agree it's time for change.

Bush's tone is definitely one of angry and condescending tone. Robert Gates new SoD.

To our enemies "do not be joyful".
Says America will stand with Iraq.

Question time...

I'm committed to victory in Iraq

Bush is pissed!!!! :)

Pelosi has leveraged a "power play" to ensure rumsfeld hit the bricks. Gauranteed though, she has given up something in return for his firing...dman

*Well, can't say as I'm upset. He blew it at the outset of the iraqi war on tactics alone from where I sit.

[TailgateNut]

Bush says he's to blame for election losses. Says we can work together. Horrible attempt at humor...




Bush is pissed!!!! :)


Yes, Bush is to blame, but so are those who put him in office.

"says we can work together", he wasn't willing while he was king, but now he wants understanding from those he **** on for six years. :rofl:

He's only pissed off for now, soon he'll get what he deserves, he'll get pissed on!

[defenseman]

Bush is being grilled hard about him and Cheney over Iraq.

Still can't explain what to do in Iraq

I'm thinking that would be hard for anyone to explain at this point in time. But, it's on him , that's for sure..dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Bush now says minimum wage is doable :)

[DomCasual]

freak6 is currently banned, so I will speak for him:

This God beleeving son of a b**** should hang for the way he has my brothers lieing in ditches. They follow him blindly because of chain of command - that is how they are taught. I am a Marine combat gun-weelding future generel ass kickin 30 year old expert on evolution, and I would take that God beleeving son of a b**** out if I ever seen him. Because he beleeves in a 2400 year old myth, I have neybors lieing in ditches. I hope they investigate and hang the God beleeving son of a b****. What does he know about combat? He's never had to wear green flak jackets in the desert - that dum God beleeving son of a b****.

Your gonna see me in hell, Donald Rumsfield, and I'm gonna put a cap in your ass. But first, I'm gonna tie you up, put a green flak jacket on you, and throw you in a ditch. And while your lieing in the ditch, I'm gonna explain the facts of evolution to you - stuff like homosapiens, homoerectus, acidophallus fossils, homosapiens - all that ****! Where will your God be then? My god is Darwinn.

Oh, and watch out in fantasy football. The freakinater is gonna kick him some ass.

End of freak6's comments.

[Atlas]

We've lost a true American hero today! :poke:


Rumsfeld was good in the day. In the last 6 years he has become an arrogant, uncompromising, bully. There is no place for him in today's government.

[TheDave]

It's awesome to see how both sides of the aisle are happy about this... Could be a first for the WR&P Forum

[DomCasual]

Rumsfeld was good in the day. In the last 6 years he has become an arrogant, uncompromising, bully. There is no place for him in today's government.

Yeah, I was just being a smartass. I think this is long overdue, honestly.

[Garcia Bronco]

freak6 is currently banned, so I will speak for him:



End of freak6's comments.

come on now...let it go

[TailgateNut]

freak6 is currently banned, so I will speak for him:



End of freak6's comments.


I think they should be put in a cell with Saddam! Then they can talk religion for the rest of their lives.

This Vet is buying rounds this afternoon! Ring the bell and make room at the Bar! Good ridance to a Civilian who had no clue about the Military and cared even less!

[DomCasual]

come on now...let it go

Sorry, GB - but that was ridiculous. There are a lot of people on here that would have been looking at a month ban for the stuff he was saying - regardless of where he said it. What was different between what he was saying and what Bob got banned for? I'll answer. Bob made one comment that was spur of the moment (and deserved to be banned for it). freak kept going on and on and on - getting more offensive with each post. And for that he got a one-day ban? That despite the fact that he was warned on several occasions.

You're a good guy, and I can appreciate the way you handled it. But I won't ever have respect for him again, and I won't apologize for giving him a little crap over it. It was way over the line.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Sorry, GB - but that was ridiculous. There are a lot of people on here that would have been looking at a month ban for the stuff he was saying - regardless of where he said it. What was different between what he was saying and what Bob got banned for? I'll answer. Bob made one comment that was spur of the moment (and deserved to be banned for it). freak kept going on and on and on - getting more offensive with each post. And for that he got a one-day ban? That despite the fact that he was warned on several occasions.

You're a good guy, and I can appreciate the way you handled it. But I won't ever have respect for him again, and I won't apologize for giving him a little crap over it. It was way over the line.
You would have to take that up with Pez but this is an unmoderated forum.

[Garcia Bronco]

You would have to take that up with Pez but this is an unmoderated forum.

If it was in the main(or any moderated) forum I would have pulled the trigger in a heartbeat. I really have no patience for what he posted. But you know....sometimes..you gotta turn the other cheek. I meant what I said the other week that we all need to be a little nicer to each other. I am to the point now where I am not typically going to post anything to anyone I wouldn't say with them in the room. And that will be my guide. Besides...on a long enough time line....everybody is right.

[Pezman]

Sorry, GB - but that was ridiculous. There are a lot of people on here that would have been looking at a month ban for the stuff he was saying - regardless of where he said it. What was different between what he was saying and what Bob got banned for? I'll answer. Bob made one comment that was spur of the moment (and deserved to be banned for it). freak kept going on and on and on - getting more offensive with each post. And for that he got a one-day ban? That despite the fact that he was warned on several occasions.

You're a good guy, and I can appreciate the way you handled it. But I won't ever have respect for him again, and I won't apologize for giving him a little crap over it. It was way over the line.

To be justified, I was the one who collared him on it. It was more of a respect issue than anything else Dom. Like Garcia has mentioned before, this forum is unmoderated in all but the most extreme of instances and for good reason. The passion that some of us have for politics gets the best of us sometimes and I think last night it got to Freak.

I'm not defending his posts, nor apologizing for him, but I feel as though the punishment meted out last night towards his broad attacks on Christians and conservatives was enough. My hope is that he will come back with a bit more respect and humility in the way he handles this forum. I still think one day was enough to send him the correct message about how he handles himself on this forum.

Oh yeah, and w00t! I'm very happy to see new leadership coming up for our military. Never before have I seen the division in our military here in Camp Pendleton. Hopefully, this will be the beginning of change and unify all of our marines there.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Bush says he thinks the illegal immigration issue can be worked out now.

[TheDave]

all right where's the link to freaks comments... we might as well all get some entertainment value out of this

[DomCasual]

You would have to take that up with Pez but this is an unmoderated forum.

No, it's actually a "loosely moderated forum." If I came over spewing bigoted or racist sentiments, I would expect repercussions. The difference, in my mind, between a "loosely moderated forum" and the main forum is the length of the rope you are given before you hang yourself. He was given plenty of rope.

[Pezman]

all right where's the link to freaks comments... we might as well all get some entertainment value out of this

Here's one gem

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1347135&postcount=421

Oh that's a patriot right there.

Angryllama now hopes that a 300 PFT, expert rifleman, Marine Corps Martial Arts Instructor, Sgt of Marines, future Officer Candidate, gets shot while in Iraq.

I'd like you to say that to my face toughguy. But what should I expect from a self proclaimed Christian.

You hypocrites make me sick. You just shat all over everything Jesus every stood by you pathetic excuse for a human being. I bet you just sentenced yourself to an eternity in hell if your pathetic excuse for an imaginary god is real.

See you hell fkhead. When I do, I'm a fk your btch ass up for eternity!!!

[DomCasual]

Oh yeah, and w00t! I'm very happy to see new leadership coming up for our military. Never before have I seen the division in our military here in Camp Pendleton. Hopefully, this will be the beginning of change and unify all of our marines there.

I agree. It's been a long time coming.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

all right where's the link to freaks comments... we might as well all get some entertainment value out of this
In the sticky, election thread. The guy was like those dudes in the movie 'Alien Nation' after they took their drugs.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

No, it's actually a "loosely moderated forum." If I came over spewing bigoted or racist sentiments, I would expect repercussions. The difference, in my mind, between a "loosely moderated forum" and the main forum is the length of the rope you are given before you hang yourself. He was given plenty of rope.
I guess you can label it like you want (Taco said there wasn't a mod for this forum and wouldn't be) but I'm not defending anything here just pointing out what we've been told here.

But you need to take it up with Pez.

[Garcia Bronco]

Here are some more Dave

234 is were he goes over board

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1346837&postcount=195


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1346842&postcount=199

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1346861&postcount=215


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1346889&postcount=234

[Atlas]

Oh that's a patriot right there.

Angryllama now hopes that a 300 PFT, expert rifleman, Marine Corps Martial Arts Instructor, Sgt of Marines, future Officer Candidate, gets shot while in Iraq.

I'd like you to say that to my face toughguy. But what should I expect from a self proclaimed Christian.

You hypocrites make me sick. You just shat all over everything Jesus every stood by you pathetic excuse for a human being. I bet you just sentenced yourself to an eternity in hell if your pathetic excuse for an imaginary god is real.

See you hell fkhead. When I do, I'm a fk your btch ass up for eternity!!!

Isn't freak6 a marine? or in the Navy or something???

Hell, he should be able to say whatever he wants. Llama said a lot worse stuff in his meltdown thread and he never got banned.

[Traveler]

Pelosi has leveraged a "power play" to ensure rumsfeld hit the bricks. Gauranteed though, she has given up something in return for his firing...dman

You privy to some info we aren't? Source?

[Atlas]

Here are some more Dave

234 is were he goes over board

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1346837&postcount=195


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1346842&postcount=199

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1346861&postcount=215


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1346889&postcount=234

Once it is proven in every other species, why does it have to be proven to be true in humans anyway!!! The evidence of overwhelming. Humans are not special!!!

You Garcia and other are just more evidence of how much damage religon has done to the advancement of education, science, and mankind as a species.

HAHAHAHAHA... I'm going to have to give him some rep when he comes back!! Hilarious!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Isn't freak6 a marine? or in the Navy or something???

Hell, he should be able to say whatever he wants. Llama said a lot worse stuff in his meltdown thread and he never got banned.
Yeah, he's a Marine. I actually enjoyed it for awhile watching the Mad Yak squirm and whine and complain like my daughter use to back in elementary school.

[Atlas]

So What is wrong with this post.

Yes it is. In fish in Africa, they evolved over 70 years into completely different species.

Not to mention the fossil record that clearly shows mammals evolving all over the world.

Horses.

Lemurs only in Morraco.

Australia is full of evidence for Macro Evolution. All you have to do is look OBSERVE the fossil record. DUH.

If you think Evolution is not fact, your either ignorant, uneducated, or a completely blind fkn moron.

There is name calling all the time in this forum. Sounds like people just didn't like his view on evolution, which happens to be 100% correct.

[TailgateNut]

HAHAHAHAHA... I'm going to have to give him some rep when he comes back!! Hilarious!


I'm seeing quite a bit of double standards here lately. I guess one needs to guage the feelings of certain mods, and tread lightly.
H***, I got neg repped by someone (not a mod) who chasticed me for doing what he had done many times previously (but the spineless one wasn't mature enough to respond to my PM regarding his hypocrytical comment).
Double standards!

[Traveler]

I think he is probably right. Bush probably guaranteed himself and maybe Cheney not to be investigated.


I can possibly see that happening. Just a little bit differently though.

Investigated -Yes. Impeached-NO. Wouldn't be good for the country
although justly deserving just the same.

[Atlas]

People need to have fun when the come here. Just ****ing relax and have a good time. Your all pussies!!

[Mile High Shack]

this indeed is good news for everyone!

[Pezman]

I'm seeing quite a bit of double standards here lately. I guess one needs to guage the feelings of certain mods, and tread lightly.
H***, I got neg repped by someone (not a mod) who chasticed me for doing what he had done many times previously (but the spineless one wasn't mature enough to respond to my PM regarding his hypocrytical comment).
Double standards!

Let me guess... Maven or DBruleU right?

[DBruleU]

Let me guess... Maven or DBruleU right?

It was me.

Not sure how you'd guess that...;)

[Pezman]

LOL, Its always easy it is to deduct the troublemakers here on the forum DBruleU Ha!

[TailgateNut]

Let me guess... Maven or DBruleU right?

Guess again! ......at least re: Hypocritical comments!

[TailgateNut]

I can't see what DbruleU said. He's on permanent Iggy with W*gs!

[DBruleU]

LOL, Its always easy it is to deduct the troublemakers here on the forum DBruleU Ha!

I honestly think my comments towards him were very mild compared to some of the stuff he says on a consistent basis.

[Pezman]

I honestly think my comments towards him were very mild compared to some of the stuff he says on a consistent basis.

Heh, its all good. Its better to disagree gracefully with fellow posters on politics, but we do all get crazy sometimes. TailgateNut is a good guy, very passionate and a good bud. I bet that most everyone here would sit down and drink a beer or two together at the end of the day, regardless of political opinions.

But enough of the touchy feely good stuff... lets get back to the venomous flaming. I'll start...

How dare Bush take the thunder away from the Democrats wins last night by announcing Rumsfeld's resignation. Bastard ;D

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Heh, its all good. Its better to disagree gracefully with fellow posters on politics, but we do all get crazy sometimes. TailgateNut is a good guy, very passionate and a good bud. I bet that most everyone here would sit down and drink a beer or two together at the end of the day, regardless of political opinions.

But enough of the touchy feely good stuff... lets get back to the venomous flaming. I'll start...

How dare Bush take the thunder away from the Democrats wins last night by announcing Rumsfeld's resignation. Bastard ;DIt was obviously apparent that he wasn't happy, made my whole day!!!!! :approve:

[TailgateNut]

Heh, its all good. Its better to disagree gracefully with fellow posters on politics, but we do all get crazy sometimes. TailgateNut is a good guy, very passionate and a good bud. I bet that most everyone here would sit down and drink a beer or two together at the end of the day, regardless of political opinions.

But enough of the touchy feely good stuff... lets get back to the venomous flaming. I'll start...

How dare Bush take the thunder away from the Democrats wins last night by announcing Rumsfeld's resignation. Bastard ;D


He didn't take the thunder. He wanted his voice back. Sorta lost it when Pelosi grabbed him by the nuts! Speaking of touchy/feely!:~ohyah!:

[Pezman]

It was obviously apparent that he wasn't happy, made my whole day!!!!! :approve:

I agree. I found myself wondering how Bush slept last night in the wake of this election. Its not like he didnt know this was coming for the past few weeks, but once it got to that time, you know he still wasnt prepared for the losses. By letting Rumsfeld go, you know that had to be one of the toughest things for him to do considering his buddy-buddy situation with Rumsfeld.

So, what can we expect from Gates now? He's been at A&M for some time, and I'm sure at some point, we will here about his Iran-Contra stuff all over again.

[Rohirrim]

I agree. I found myself wondering how Bush slept last night in the wake of this election. Its not like he didnt know this was coming for the past few weeks, but once it got to that time, you know he still wasnt prepared for the losses. By letting Rumsfeld go, you know that had to be one of the toughest things for him to do considering his buddy-buddy situation with Rumsfeld.

So, what can we expect from Gates now? He's been at A&M for some time, and I'm sure at some point, we will here about his Iran-Contra stuff all over again.

He has to be okayed by the Senate. Ahem... that would be the new, Democratic Senate. :rofl:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I agree. I found myself wondering how Bush slept last night in the wake of this election. Its not like he didnt know this was coming for the past few weeks, but once it got to that time, you know he still wasnt prepared for the losses. By letting Rumsfeld go, you know that had to be one of the toughest things for him to do considering his buddy-buddy situation with Rumsfeld.

So, what can we expect from Gates now? He's been at A&M for some time, and I'm sure at some point, we will here about his Iran-Contra stuff all over again.

This will be interesting because Gates is from dad's regime that advised NOT splitting Iraq and invading for the purpose of regime change there.

[Garcia Bronco]

So What is wrong with this post.



There is name calling all the time in this forum. Sounds like people just didn't like his view on evolution, which happens to be 100% correct.

I actually agree with evolution...it's not hard to see and drawn the conculsions, but those conclusions are not actual fact. Anyone who has studied reseach methods knows this. Further more...there are other things he said that just aren't appropriate in any forum. Like I said the other day...a true skill in life is to be able to tell someone to go to hell, but make them feel good about the trip. Agreeing or disagreeing with freak16's message isn't the problem, but in the way he delivers it. Sorry

[Atlas]

I actually agree with evolution...it's not hard to see and drawn the conculsions, but those conclusions are not actual fact. Anyone who has studied reseach methods knows this. Further more...there are other things he said that just aren't appropriate in any forum. Like I said the other day...a true skill in life is to be able to tell someone to go to hell, but make them feel good about the trip. Agreeing or disagreeing with freak16's message isn't the problem, but in the way he delivers it. Sorry

Well, he does lack tack.

[Atlas]

Why did he resign because he lied.

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[DomCasual]

I actually agree with evolution...it's not hard to see and drawn the conculsions, but those conclusions are not actual fact. Anyone who has studied reseach methods knows this. Further more...there are other things he said that just aren't appropriate in any forum. Like I said the other day...a true skill in life is to be able to tell someone to go to hell, but make them feel good about the trip. Agreeing or disagreeing with freak16's message isn't the problem, but in the way he delivers it. Sorry

My religious beliefs incorporate evolution just fine. In a nutshell, I don't believe there is anything mystical or magical about God. I just believe his intelligence is far more developed than ours. As such, he understands the concepts of physics to be able to put things into an environment conducive to life. It still makes him our creator. It just takes out the "God snapped his fingers and it happened" element to it.

Think about how mankind has evolved over the past five thousand years. If people even a thousand years ago could see what we are capable of now, they would think we had godlike qualities. What will we be capable of in, say, 1000 years - if we don't blow ourselves up in the meantime? Will we be developed into what we might today consider to be gods?

But saying, "Everyone who believes in God is stupid and shouldn't be allowed to vote" is ignorant.

[defenseman]

I think he is probably right. Bush probably guaranteed himself and maybe Cheney not to be investigated.

That is a big bingo!!!!!....dman

[Rohirrim]

Why did he resign because he lied.

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It's pretty obvious to me that the Bushies were prepared to cut Rummy loose the minute this election went south on 'em. Look how quickly Bush named Gates? This was all set up. Bush did not want Rummy going in front of a new judicial committee, in all likelihood headed by Pat Leahy.

[defenseman]

LOL, Its always easy it is to deduct the troublemakers here on the forum DBruleU Ha!

Define "troublemakers"? If it's someone who's opinion differs from the majority here on the political threads on various topics, then there are alot of trouble makers here. I like to define some takes as "pot stirring" vice troublemaking...dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

That is a big bingo!!!!!....dmanActually, it isn't. There is no way ANY kind of negotiations were done to spare ANY member in the Bush cartel from being held responsible for their actions. Pelosi and Democrats know they have the upper hand and exercised it, nothing more. And this will continue in the months to come.

Bush, Rumsfeld and Gates knew this was happening last weekend.

[defenseman]

He didn't take the thunder. He wanted his voice back. Sorta lost it when Pelosi grabbed him by the nuts! Speaking of touchy/feely!:~ohyah!:

This is what really happened. To her credit hopefully, you won't hear a word about it. And so goes the "politics" of DC.....dman

[Traveler]

It's pretty obvious to me that the Bushies were prepared to cut Rummy loose the minute this election went south on 'em. Look how quickly Bush named Gates? This was all set up. Bush did not want Rummy going in front of a new judicial committee, in all likelihood headed by Pat Leahy.


http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/08/gates.profile/index.html

Bush said Wednesday he met with Gates in Crawford, Texas, over the weekend. He said he had planned to nominate him as Secretary of Defense regardless of what happened in Tuesday's midterm election.

Bush said Gates will bring "a fresh perspective" and "great managerial experience" to the position.

"He understands we're in a global war against these terrorists," Bush said. "He understands that defeat is not an option in Iraq."

[defenseman]

Actually, it isn't. There is no way ANY kind of negotiations were done to spare ANY member in the Bush cartel from being held responsible for their actions. Pelosi and Democrats know they have the upper hand and exercised it, nothing more. And this will continue in the months to come.

Bush, Rumsfeld and Gates knew this was happening last weekend.

Believe what you will beerslug.......dman

*I'd lay odds GW doesn't get impeached also.

[DomCasual]

It's pretty obvious to me that the Bushies were prepared to cut Rummy loose the minute this election went south on 'em. Look how quickly Bush named Gates? This was all set up. Bush did not want Rummy going in front of a new judicial committee, in all likelihood headed by Pat Leahy.

Whatever the cause, I have a good feeling that it's done.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim View Post
It's pretty obvious to me that the Bushies were prepared to cut Rummy loose the minute this election went south on 'em. Look how quickly Bush named Gates? This was all set up. Bush did not want Rummy going in front of a new judicial committee, in all likelihood headed by Pat Leahy.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/08/gates.profile/index.html

Bush said Wednesday he met with Gates in Crawford, Texas, over the weekend. He said he had planned to nominate him as Secretary of Defense regardless of what happened in Tuesday's midterm election.

Bush said Gates will bring "a fresh perspective" and "great managerial experience" to the position.

"He understands we're in a global war against these terrorists," Bush said. "He understands that defeat is not an option in Iraq."
Exactly!!! There were no "secret" negotiations between Democrats and Bush. People who believe that sh*t happened are delusional.

[SteveTensi13]

Well, I just woke the f*** up, turned on Fox news and there were the headlines. "Rumsfeld resignes, Gates named as SoD!" And I'm like 'well, its about time'. Rumsfeld was good from 2000-2003, after that it was a disaster and it shouldnt have taken a shift in power for him to get the message. Good luck Gates.

[Traveler]

Well, I just woke the **** up, turned on Fox news and there were the headlines. "Rumsfeld resignes, Gates named as SoD!" And I'm like 'well, its about time'. Rumsfeld was good from 2000-2003, after that it was a disaster and it shouldnt have taken a shift in power for him to get the message. Good luck Gates.

Steve-

The tenor of your posts today have a decidedly different tone. :wiggle:

You okay?

[TailgateNut]

Believe what you will beerslug.......dman

*I'd lay odds GW doesn't get impeached also.


I wouldn't count my chickens quite yet. I think you will see quite a few drastic changes. At least enough to put the political "peg-o-meter" back near the center. I especially "love" how Bush is now willing to work with "our" party.
F*** him! He wasn't interested one iota, and many of the Bushbots here told "us" to "live with it, for four more years", because Bush won. I think we need to do what's good for this country, and if it means criminal charges, then so be it. If it means impeachment, even better. The Asshole couldn't care less about this country, as long as his agendas were funded!

[TailgateNut]

Just send them both on a hunting trip, then impeach Cheney!:approve:

[defenseman]

I wouldn't count my chickens quite yet. I think you will see quite a few drastic changes. At least enough to put the political "peg-o-meter" back near the center. I especially "love" how Bush is now willing to work with "our" party.
**** him! He wasn't interested one iota, and many of the Bushbots here told "us" to "live with it, for four more years", because Bush won. I think we need to do what's good for this country, and if it means criminal charges, then so be it. If it means impeachment, even better. The a-hole couldn't care less about this country, as long as his agendas were funded!

He won't get impeached. Trust me. the dems have two short years to effect some quality changes, they can't waste time on this. they'll target issues that need to be corrected and take their shot at the presidency in 08..dman

[defenseman]

My only concern about impeachment is that Cheney would then be in charge. And that scares me even more then Bush staying in charge.

I'd be willing to bet that their is no way both can get impeached. The repubs in the senate would not allow pelosi to become the president that way.

There in lies the other reason. If for a second, the american voter were sold the bolded bill of goods by the republican party, it would blow huge holes in the dems for a long, long time. He won't be impeached..dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He won't be impeached..dman
Keep the predictions coming Karnac :)

[TheDave]

Here are some more Dave

234 is were he goes over board

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1346837&postcount=195


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1346842&postcount=199

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1346861&postcount=215


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1346889&postcount=234

You know right up until the F* God thing I was in his corner... But then he had to go and lose his composure

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You know right up until the F* God thing I was in his corner... But then he had to go and lose his composureIt was great for awhile watching the Mad Yak squirming all over the board, pleading for help (banning).

[TheDave]

Just a little rummy humor

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yes, Bush is to blame, but so are those who put him in office.

"says we can work together", he wasn't willing while he was king, but now he wants understanding from those he **** on for six years. :rofl:

He's only pissed off for now, soon he'll get what he deserves, he'll get pissed on!

Bingo!

Talk about a bunch of bullsh_t artists propping up a bullsh_t artist.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Just a little rummy humor

:rofl: :thumbs:

[Garcia Bronco]

You know right up until the F* God thing I was in his corner... But then he had to go and lose his composure

Well....that was ultimately the problem

[elsid13]

Ultimately Bush had no choice, Rummy would be up on the hill every 30 minutes testify in front of any committee that had any connection with the military. The democratic victory marginalized him as an effective SECDEF.

There isn't a lot of tears being shed from folks that worked for him.

[elsid13]

I hope people realize that just because Rummy gone, doesn't mean you will see radical improvement or much change of over the next year. Bush now has the perfect political excuse to American people that Gates needs time to assess the situation. Plus, I believe you will see a lot key policy folks at the Under Secretary level meaning that you have more new folk on the job relearn old lessons and slowing down the process/fixes.

The best thing that comes out of this is Gates listen to folks that work for him and gives the opportunity to be successfull.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I hope people realize that just because Rummy gone, doesn't mean you will see radical improvement or much change of over the next year. Bush now has the perfect political excuse to American people that Gates needs time to assess the situation. Plus, I believe you will see a lot key policy folks at the Under Secretary level meaning that you have more new folk on the job relearn old lessons and slowing down the process/fixes.

The best thing that comes out of this is Gates listen to folks that work for him and gives the opportunity to be successfull.
Actually, Bush doesn't have year to do nothing. He has about 6 weeks before the Iraq report is made public and Democrats and Americans will demand a plan to withdraw.

[elsid13]

Actually, Bush doesn't have year to do nothing. He has about 6 weeks before the Iraq report is made public and Democrats and Americans will demand a plan to withdraw.

The 9-11 commission report came out when? and how many of it's recommendation have we acted on????


I'm be around DC to long to believe anything til I see it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The 9-11 commission report came out when? When Republicans controlled Congress.

[SPfloppy]

Guys I just found out about this because I was out doors all day. I have waited and waited and prayed for this day. No matter the way I tend to lean on most matters effecting this nation and it's direction I have never supported this moron and and so happy he stepped down I litterally jumped three feet in the air and clicked my heels together. I pumped my fist and yelled for all to hear that this is a day of triumph for our nation both liberal and conservative alike. Small congrats to the left cause I'm not a sore loser and am not going to claim voter machine rigging like they surley would have had the right remained in power. But today is a good day for America...Except the part about Nancy Pelosi becoming the speaker

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I have never supported this moron

:rofl:

Good one!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/9533/weekjh4.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/gkerry-rumsfeld-flip.jpg

[Crushaholic]

A lot of people here on the left were expecting some sort of "October Surprise". I'm wondering what would have happened if Rumsfeld had "resigned" BEFORE the elections. It probably wouldn't have made much of a difference, but it's something to think about...