Plummer ranked above Palmer in the latest ESPN QB Rankings

[GonzoLays]

Guess who is ranked ABOVE that fumbling fool, Carson Palmer in the ESPN QB rankings? That's right boys and girls, Jake Plummer. Just like your boy Gonzo told you waaaaay back in the preseason.

Damn, I'm good.

Will Palmer have more TD's or Fumbles this season? That remains to be seen.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2652676

8.(14)
Jake Plummer
Broncos He's really starting to hit his stride and has formed a great connection with WR Javon Walker. He showed excellent vision and touch in big win at Pittsburgh and his three TD tosses might be a sign of things to come. Jake might be back!
9.(7)
Carson Palmer
Bengals His numbers aren't bad, but Palmer isn't making enough big plays when the offense is in his hands. The explosiveness and pinpoint passing we saw last year is not there, and the Bengals have lost four out of the last five.

Hmmm, didn't I already state this?

Obviously, you boys didn't read the WHY Plummer would go over Carson Palmer. Palmer is coming off a devastating knee injury and might not even start the season for the Bengals. His knee is that torn up. Even if he does play, you don't know how good he is going to be because essentially he is playing on one leg. Like I said earlier, for the FUTURE, you would, without a doubt, select Palmer, but FOR THE 2006 SEASON, Plummer is your man.

Palmer can't be better than Plummer if ain't playing.

Plummer two knees better than Palmer one knee.

The rationalization for taking Plummer over Palmer doesn't hold up.

But he's playing on a knee that just got ripped up seven months ago. Tearing up your knee HAS to have some kind of consequences as far as your ability to play is concerned. Unless Palmer is going to throw 500 passes from within the pocket, I would say that he will not be able to make the same throws he made last year. Plus, you have to factor in the psychological effect of ripping your knee up. He might be hesitant to take a hit, or scramble, or move out of the pocket to make a pass.

Its like choosing between a world renowned scientist/college professor who just had a stroke and half his brain is not functioning VS your high school science teacher to give a report on Global Warming on CSPAN. 99.9% of time you would choose the world renowned scientist but since he had a debilitating injury that will effect his ability to think, you go to go with Mr. Stanley from Seasaw High to pull you through.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=45650

[rbackfactory80]

Good find, rankings by fans (not broncos)across sports nation put Plummer at 15,the people on the board think he is the worst in the league. I guess infatuation with Cutler, could be the reason.

[watermock]

Oh Brother of the Holy Mary.

First, that whole team is melting down. It was only a matter of time til Cinco de Mayo Moron tore that team apart.

There is a recent trend to bring back players, especially QB's, back WAY too soon from injury, specifically ACL's. See Cullpepper.

Players are throwing helmets, there is a complete meltdown and gosh, a completely healthy Jake has outplayed a limping Palmer the last two weeks.

That's why I kept preaching patience with Javon. We had people here running around in a fit that he wasn't playing much before the regular season....SO WHAT? He came in with a pedigree, from another WCO.

Personally, I was never sold on Cincy honestly.

Palmers injury HAPPENED IN THE PLAYOFFS. Cullpepper completely destroyed the knee LATE and was rushed back too soon as well.

Javon worked his ass off rehabbing while Ms. Lilly whined. Now it's over a full year since surgury, and Javon was PROPERLY rehabbed and not rushed. Now he has pretty much full confidence in that knee and it's imperative he holds up with Rod hurt and others knicked up.

Anyone that didn't see that Palmer was being brought back too soon was blind...even the talking heads could tell early on. QB's can have psyche's as fragile as your wife asking if she "looks fat in this dress?"...It could make her look like Homer Simpson in a TuTu but unless you want the couch it's "You look fantastic hon..."

Women aren't asking a question there, they are demanding validation to their choice. I was never scared to point out some fashon guffaws but it was rare with the ex. But I digress.

Gonzo, Bronco Billy and Seneca Wallace are outplaying Palmer because he's not planting his foot and timid when players are low around that tender knee.

[watermock]

Hate to tell you this Gonzo, and you can dismiss it, but Palmer is ranked #9 in passing rating, Jake #27.

I do agree Palmer was brought back to soon, and don't underestimate the Cinco Dinko distraction.

[Master___Pain]

Hate to tell you this Gonzo, and you can dismiss it, but Palmer is ranked #9 in passing rating, Jake #27.

I do agree Palmer was brought back to soon, and don't underestimate the Cinco Dinko distraction.

I think it's more distracting having players getting arrested right and left and losing a top LB and a top pass rusher to suspension and injury respectively. 85 is not the reason the Bengals are playing poorly.

[watermock]

Justin Smith getting called for roughing the passer when he pulled a kicker impersonation didn't help either...in fact it cost the game for the Bengals.

I didn't single out El Dimwitto, I just think he's a distraction from the T.O. School of how to Destroy a Team.

T.O. ran Mooch out of town. Nolan is half a game from the door and S.F. still hasn't recovered.

Philly has gotten off the floor, but hasn't recovered.

Dallas, picked to go to the playoffs, struggles in a surprisingly weak division with an unhappy "surprise"...T.O.

The guy is a top 5 WR in the NFL and destroys teams. He's a tool and so is Chad Johnson. You have an organization of around 100 people or more and one person is a pimp. You do the math.

Little known story:

Larry Johnson and El Cinco Dumbo play internet football and bet...that's why El Dumbo wound up with a red mohawk for a week.

Diaper Boy is actually a pretty nice guy. Very personable.

[Rock Chalk]

Beastiality is illegal Mock, even in Iowa.

[watermock]

Stfu

[GonzoLays]

Palmer 11 turnovers, Plummer 9.

Actually, Palmer has fumbled the ball 9 times to go along with 6 ints so far this season, but 4 fumbles were recovered by teammates.

There is no excuse for Palmer's pathetic performance so far. He has a great offensive line with two bookend 1st round draft picks, three incredible options at WR, and 1500 yard running back. He has more tools to work with than any QB in the league.

If I remember correctly, many people were stating that he is the best QB in the game. HA!

[Master___Pain]

I thought the Bengals o-line was in shambles this year, very banged up due to injury, is that not the case?

[GonzoLays]

I thought the Bengals o-line was in shambles this year, very banged up due to injury, is that not the case?

Any more so than the Chief's offensive line? That's no excuse. He still has pro bowl T Willie Anderson and bigtime OG Steinbach protecting him. Plummer's only legit tackle goes down and he has his two best games of the season.

Its all on Palmer.

[Taco John]

I have no problem selecting Palmer over Plummer then and now. I stand firmly behind the point. If it weren't for our defense, we'd be 1-7 right now, largely due to how ineffective Plummer was out the gates.

There's no doubt the Bengals are having problems, and part of those problems seem to be related to Palmer's mechanics. But overall, he's still a better quarterback than Jake Plummer. I would bet most teams would take Palmer over Plummer for any given game.

To Plummer's credit, he has looked much better the last two weeks.

[Taco John]

Plummer's only legit tackle goes down and he has his two best games of the season.

Its all on Palmer.


Bah. Our offensive line has had their two best games of the season. The sticky truth that nobody wanted to admit was that Lepsis was having a below par season before he went down.

[Master___Pain]

Any more so than the Chief's offensive line? That's no excuse. He still has pro bowl T Willie Anderson and bigtime OG Steinbach protecting him. Plummer's only legit tackle goes down and he has his two best games of the season.

Its all on Palmer.

I dunno, I was asking a question about the Bengals O-line. The answer was yes they've been banged up. Not making a point for or against Palmer, just seeking some clarification.

[BMF Bronco]

Little known story:

Larry Johnson and El Cinco Dumbo play internet football and bet...that's why El Dumbo wound up with a red mohawk for a week.

Diaper Boy is actually a pretty nice guy. Very personable.

If you're going to plagarize your gay lover boob, at least give him props for it.

[Kaylore]

Bah. Our offensive line has had their two best games of the season. The sticky truth that nobody wanted to admit was that Lepsis was having a below par season before he went down.

This is actually true. Pears is looking good and he's getting better. He's not yielding as much ground as Lepsis was and he is excellent at keeping his shoulder's square. He still needs a lot of work run blocking in space and picking up the blitz (That hit by Troy Polamalausdfs hit was all on Pears) but he's been outstanding especially for a backup.

I have no doubt that after rehab Lepsis will bounce back because of how well conditioned and rested he'll be at that point, but our line depth overall has really impressed me of late.

The other thing that has really helped is using Mustard. We've been bringing him in and pretty much leaving him on the right side for the past two games and it has done wonders for our pass game. I think we should convert him to tackle, because he has been awesome. Shanahan's noticed and that's why he's been playing more and more every week.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Bah. Our offensive line has had their two best games of the season. The sticky truth that nobody wanted to admit was that Lepsis was having a below par season before he went down.

Lepsis was having a poor season. I made note of that in my trench report.

Our tackles have been the weakest part of the line this season. All of the hurries and sacks are coming from the ends, and our RB's are running behind Carslile, Hamilton, and Lepsis.

[kmartin575]

Palmer 11 turnovers, Plummer 9.

Actually, Palmer has fumbled the ball 9 times to go along with 6 ints so far this season, but 4 fumbles were recovered by teammates.

There is no excuse for Palmer's pathetic performance so far. He has a great offensive line with two bookend 1st round draft picks, three incredible options at WR, and 1500 yard running back. He has more tools to work with than any QB in the league.

If I remember correctly, many people were stating that he is the best QB in the game. HA!


It would help to actually know the situation. They have two bookend tackles but both have missed time and Levi Jones has missed most of the season. Center Rich Braham has missed most of the season as well.

Therefore, there IS an excuse for his pathetic performance.

[Orange_Beard]

I'll take Palmer. Any day, twice on Sunday.

[Northman]

Palmer 11 turnovers, Plummer 9.

Actually, Palmer has fumbled the ball 9 times to go along with 6 ints so far this season, but 4 fumbles were recovered by teammates.

There is no excuse for Palmer's pathetic performance so far. He has a great offensive line with two bookend 1st round draft picks, three incredible options at WR, and 1500 yard running back. He has more tools to work with than any QB in the league.

If I remember correctly, many people were stating that he is the best QB in the game. HA!



Congrats Gonzo, you have just won the Moron award. Now accepting your award will be Kanye West. Enjoy mate! :thumbsup:

[GonzoLays]

Congrats Gonzo, you have just won the Moron award. Now accepting your award will be Kanye West. Enjoy mate! :thumbsup:

Clever?

[Circle Orange]

It's funny. Palmer had a hot preseason, and everyone had him projected for 50 tds...not gonna happen. The Bengals are still hot air, all style and no substance. Porous defense that relies on big plays. Palmer still has head issues about being hit low. Pass blocking line, can't run block.

As for Jake, well, we've been over that already. :ouwknow:

[GonzoLays]

BMF was calling this from the beginning as well:

Do you understand the severity of his knee injury?!

Its all in the knees my friends. Palmer doesn't have one of them. No knee, no down the field plays.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

This list is such bull****. Huard at 14?

[watermock]

What part of "BROUGHT BACK TOO SOON AFTER AN ACL" don't you comprehend Gonzo?

[Rock Chalk]

What part of "BROUGHT BACK TOO SOON AFTER AN ACL" don't you comprehend Gonzo?

What part of the English language, besides the basics, dont you understand cat ****er?

[Cito Pelon]

I have no problem selecting Palmer over Plummer then and now. I stand firmly behind the point. If it weren't for our defense, we'd be 1-7 right now, largely due to how ineffective Plummer was out the gates.

There's no doubt the Bengals are having problems, and part of those problems seem to be related to Palmer's mechanics. But overall, he's still a better quarterback than Jake Plummer. I would bet most teams would take Palmer over Plummer for any given game.

To Plummer's credit, he has looked much better the last two weeks.

Maybe I've mentioned this before. You're pretty much the internet equivalent of somebody vomiting on the bus. I'll take it a little further this time - not only do you puke on the bus, you fall face down in your own vomit.

[Killericon]

Just cause the guy's having an off season doesn't mean he's a bad quarterback.

[Inkana7]

This is actually true. Pears is looking good and he's getting better. He's not yielding as much ground as Lepsis was and he is excellent at keeping his shoulder's square. He still needs a lot of work run blocking in space and picking up the blitz (That hit by Troy Polamalausdfs hit was all on Pears) but he's been outstanding especially for a backup.

I have no doubt that after rehab Lepsis will bounce back because of how well conditioned and rested he'll be at that point, but our line depth overall has really impressed me of late.

The other thing that has really helped is using Mustard. We've been bringing him in and pretty much leaving him on the right side for the past two games and it has done wonders for our pass game. I think we should convert him to tackle, because he has been awesome. Shanahan's noticed and that's why he's been playing more and more every week.

I dont know if anyone picked this up, but they listed Mustard as the starting FB on the NFL.com sheet thing. That's interesting.

[Willynowei]

If this, If that. Blah blah blah.

All I heard was how once we played a team good enough to put points on the defense, the offense would lose the game for us. No, more specifically Jake.

Well, our defense has gotten run over, twisted around, beat up and down the field for two games like a cheap hooker. And we come out the fire 1-1. How about giving some kudos to the mountain man for once?

[dnvrbrncos]

I know one thing...Plummer's ranked above this guy in appearance:

[TheChamp247]

ummm.....would you like a cookie??

[TheChamp247]

I know one thing...Plummer's ranked above this guy in appearance:

nice, that guy is a BAMF

[Taco John]

Maybe I've mentioned this before. You're pretty much the internet equivalent of somebody vomiting on the bus. I'll take it a little further this time - not only do you puke on the bus, you fall face down in your own vomit.


And I told you once before, you just described the way Jake has played most of this season, with you talking about how everyone should enjoy the smell of the vomit, because he ate some of the best clam chowder in the state.

It's certainly not a stretch to say that Palmer has more upside than Plummer has. In fact, it would be a stretch to say otherwise.

Plummer has had a good couple of weeks. I don't know why you want to force people into believing he's been great all season when everyone knows otherwise.

[Broncos4tw]

If Plummer had played the last two games like he played all the others (except the Pats game), I'd say there is a fine chance he'd not even be in there right now. He has redeemed his poor play in the last couple of games imo, we'll see if he can keep it up. He is definately playing with more confidence. I still firmly believe that our prior lack of production was maybe 10% receivers, 10% line, 10% coaching, and 70% poor play by Jake. He was the primary reason for our non-production.

So I don't think anyone was out of line calling him out. He was, to put it simply, sucking a big hairy ball. Now he isn't. All good as long as he keeps it up.