The Democrat Promise

[TheDave]

An email i just got from one of my friends.... Have fun folks


ANALYZE THE DEMOCRAT PROMISE.........



The Democrats new promise "A New Direction For America - Vote Democratic?



The stock market is at a new all-time high and America's 401K's are back.

A new direction from there means, what?



Unemployment is at 25 year lows.

A new direction from there means, what?



Oil prices are plummeting.

A new direction from there means, what?



Taxes are at 20 year lows.

A new direction from there means, what?



Federal tax revenues are at all-time highs.

A new direction from there means, what?



The Federal deficit is down almost 50%, just as predicted over last year.

A new direction from there means. what?



Home valuations are up 200% over the past 3.5 years.

A new direction from there means, what?



Inflation is in check, hovering at 20 year lows.

A new direction from there means, what?



Not a single terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11/01.

A new direction from there means, what?



Osama bin Laden is living under a rock in a dark cave, having not surfaced in years, if he's alive at all, while 95% of Al Queda's top dogs are either dead or in custody, cooperating with US Intel.

A new direction from there means, what?



Several major terrorist attacks already thwarted by US and British Intel, including the recent planned attack involving 10 Jumbo Jets being exploded in mid-air over major US cities in order to celebrate the anniversary of the 9/11/01 attacks.

A new direction from there means, what?



Just as President Bush foretold us of on a number of occasions, Iraq was to be made "ground zero" for the war on terrorism -- and just as President Bush said they would, terrorist cells from all over the region are arriving from the shadows of their hiding places and flooding into Iraq in order to get their faces blown off by US Marines rather than boarding planes and heading to the United States to wage war on us here.

A new direction from there means, what?



Moreover, bear in mind that all of the above occurred in the face of the 1999 tech crash, the epidemic of corporate scandals throughout the 90's, and the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks on NYC years in the planning , which collectively sucked 24 trillions dollars and 7.8 million jobs out of the US economy even before G. W. Bush had time to unpack his suitcases in the White House. It's easy to attempt to discredit, disgrace and defame our commander in chief, George W. Bush; what's not so easy to do is to refute irrefutable facts, no matter how they might try.

Do yourself and this country of ours a favor and don't be a mindless sheep, bent on hate and blame-shifting simply in the name of hate and blame-shifting. Take heed of reality, use your head and do cast your vote wisely in the upcoming elections. The stakes are far too high today, as America's very future, and yes, even its very survival is now at stake!

Yes, I said even our very survival is at stake.

[Spider]

The Democrats new promise "A New Direction For America - Vote Democratic?



The stock market is at a new all-time high and America's 401K's are back.

A new direction from there means, what?
That more factory jobs come back , that more Americans spend more .......CEO stop making Billions and the Min wage goes up.........



Unemployment is at 25 year lows.

A new direction from there means, what?
Now that you mention it , I have seen less help wanted signs in fast food joints ...... I guess that counts



Oil prices are plummeting.

A new direction from there means, what?
This one is total horseshít ......... we all know it



Taxes are at 20 year lows.

A new direction from there means, what?
For who ? family of 8 , I paid a little over 600.00 thursday in taxes .....perhaps if I was in the top 1% I would agree here ........



Federal tax revenues are at all-time highs.

A new direction from there means, what? Thanks to well head taxes ......



The Federal deficit is down almost 50%, just as predicted over last year.

A new direction from there means. what? again total Horseshít . Iraq isnt factored in ..........



Home valuations are up 200% over the past 3.5 years.

A new direction from there means, what?
Less minoritys in good nieghborhoods ........... err wait a white family just moved in Next door , there goes our proptery taxes ........



Inflation is in check, hovering at 20 year lows.

A new direction from there means, what?
Fuzzy math ...........



Not a single terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11/01.

A new direction from there means, what?
Clintons record from 93 to 2001 ........



Osama bin Laden is living under a rock in a dark cave, having not surfaced in years, if he's alive at all, while 95% of Al Queda's top dogs are either dead or in custody, cooperating with US Intel.

A new direction from there means, what?
Osama actually paying for his crime ?



Several major terrorist attacks already thwarted by US and British Intel, including the recent planned attack involving 10 Jumbo Jets being exploded in mid-air over major US cities in order to celebrate the anniversary of the 9/11/01 attacks.

A new direction from there means, what? says who ?



Just as President Bush foretold us of on a number of occasions, Iraq was to be made "ground zero" for the war on terrorism -- and just as President Bush said they would, terrorist cells from all over the region are arriving from the shadows of their hiding places and flooding into Iraq in order to get their faces blown off by US Marines rather than boarding planes and heading to the United States to wage war on us here.

A new direction from there means, what? Bush says alot of shít , but Shia and sunni were never a real threat to us ........ Saudi Arabia on the other hand ........



Moreover, bear in mind that all of the above occurred in the face of the 1999 tech crash, the epidemic of corporate scandals throughout the 90's, and the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks on NYC years in the planning , which collectively sucked 24 trillions dollars and 7.8 million jobs out of the US economy even before G. W. Bush had time to unpack his suitcases in the White House. It's easy to attempt to discredit, disgrace and defame our commander in chief, George W. Bush; what's not so easy to do is to refute irrefutable facts, no matter how they might try.

Do yourself and this country of ours a favor and don't be a mindless sheep, bent on hate and blame-shifting simply in the name of hate and blame-shifting. Take heed of reality, use your head and do cast your vote wisely in the upcoming elections. The stakes are far too high today, as America's very future, and yes, even its very survival is now at stake!
So that means the next president can screw up like Bush and blame the housing bubble bust right ?

Yes, I said even our very survival is at stake. Fúck off , ( not you Dave ) Seiously **** off , Bush hasnt done a damn thing right , none of the neocons have .... Iraq has out lasted WW2 ......... Think about that awhile ......

[defenseman]

An email i just got from one of my friends.... Have fun folks

I'm hoping the dems , if they do get the majority make it count. Minumum wage increase? Unemployment increases right along with it. Well, we'll see folks, we will see...dman

*We need to stow this thread for two years from now. when the presidential election occurs. Be interesting re-hashing over it and start checking off what is better and what is worse...I will say, IF they solve immigration , The RIGHT way, they'll win overall. I do foresee tax increases though, better get used to it.....

[BroncoInferno]

Minumum wage increase? Unemployment increases right along with it.

Several states have raised the minimum wage on their own. Guess what? Those economies improved.

[TailgateNut]

I'm hoping the dems , if they do get the majority make it count. Minumum wage increase? Unemployment increases right along with it. Well, we'll see folks, we will see...dman

*We need to stow this thread for two years from now. when the presidential election occurs. Be interesting re-hashing over it and start checking off what is better and what is worse...I will say, IF they solve immigration , The RIGHT way, they'll win overall. I do foresee tax increases though, better get used to it.....


I also hope They make it count. Regarding the Tax Increase comment: Someone has to pay for the CC charges the Bush syndicate has "rung up" on their watch.

[defenseman]

[QUOTE=§Pide®;1345216]That more factory jobs come back , that more Americans spend more .......CEO stop making Billions and the Min wage goes up.........

Min wage goes up, jobs go away. Simple as that...Mom and pop and small business WILL be hurt, big business benefits from the loss of competition. Guess that sounds about right , now doesn't it...?????

Now that you mention it , I have seen less help wanted signs in fast food joints ...... I guess that counts

Once the minumum wage goes up, the uneployment rate will go up markedly. Should be interesting trying to explain that one away. the one group who should benefit from it, will be laid off. Sounds like a good plan to me.


Thanks to well head taxes ......
????

Less minoritys in good nieghborhoods ........... err wait a white family just moved in Next door , there goes our proptery taxes ........
??????
Fuzzy math ...........
the math is fine..

So that means the next president can screw up like Bush and blame the housing bubble bust right ?

the housing market had to correct itself, it COULD NOT continue up at the pace it was at. S/D curves supported a correction, it is still in progress. Looking for a house? You may want to start looking, most of the country is a buyers market. It's happened before, it'll shift back once the correction is complete...
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[Rohirrim]

The stakes are far too high today, as America's very future, and yes, even its very survival is now at stake!

What unadulterated horse poop. What is it about the GOP that they feel they can never just explain their position on issues? They have to do their little scaremongering thing? I was listening to a Reagan tape on the radio this morning. They were doing a piece on Daniel Ortega winning the election in Nicaragua. Reagan was scaremongering about the Russians taking over Central America (so he could back the contras). He says, "Nicaragua is a two day march from the Texas border!" Ha! Can't you just picture a swarm of communistas in straw hats, swimming the Rio Grande with machetes in their teeth?

This election is about Iraq and the Bush cabal's rampant incompetence. It's about the books by Woodward, Wright, Ricks, Clarke, O'Neill, etc. etc. etc. all detailing the mind-boggling stupidity that has come out of this regime. It's about even old-time neocons like Adelman and Perle coming forward and saying this is the worst, most incompetent national security team in American history. IMO, when the history is written, that incompetence will be blamed for allowing 911 to happen - specifically Condoleeza Rice. The information was available.

Anyway, if the Dems win big today, they shouldn't waste too much time celebrating. They've got two years to prove they can clean up this Augean stable Bush has produced, and show some competency. If the Dems can't show some competence, in two years they'll get tossed too.

[Spider]

Min wage goes up, jobs go away. Simple as that...[/B]Mom and pop and small business WILL be hurt, big business benefits from the loss of competition. Guess that sounds about right , now doesn't it...????? Heard the exact same`bullshít back when min wage went from 2.25 an hour up to 3.35 an hour ....`Maybe someday this bullshít prediction may`come true ..........


Once the minumum wage goes up, the uneployment rate will go up markedly. Should be interesting trying to explain that one away. the one group who should benefit from it, will be laid off. Sounds like a good plan to me.

this is so full of shít .......`dont come to wyoming and tell this fairy tale , Mcdonalds here pay 7.85 to start .......`we aqre begging for workers here .....`so your fantasy is just that ,à wet dream .........

Thanks to well head taxes ......
????
you dont know what well head taxes are ? and you are offering an opinion on this ?

the math is fine.. well if thats the case why dont we add the cost of Iraq ?

the housing market had to correct itself, it COULD NOT continue up at the pace it was at. S/D curves supported a correction, it is still in progress. Looking for a house? You may want to start looking, most of the country is a buyers market. It's happened before, it'll shift back once the correction is complete...
yeah yeah yeah , heard this Bullshít before , back in the 70's and 80's to be exact ...........

[Spider]

Several states have raised the minimum wage on their own. Guess what? Those economies improved.
Wyoming has`a surplus of 2 billion in our coffers , we droped the food tax , rebuilt our downtown , cleaned up old tank farms , turn them into golf courses , boutanic gardens , now building a`state of the art Civic center , built a`new water park , and did several upgrades to our infrastructure ............... and we are `way up over the min wage .......

[TailgateNut]

The stakes are far too high today, as America's very future, and yes, even its very survival is now at stake!

What unadulterated horse poop. What is it about the GOP that they feel they can never just explain their position on issues? They have to do their little scaremongering thing? I was listening to a Reagan tape on the radio this morning. They were doing a piece on Daniel Ortega winning the election in Nicaragua. Reagan was scaremongering about the Russians taking over Central America (so he could back the contras). He says, "Nicaragua is a two day march from the Texas border!" Ha! Can't you just picture a swarm of communistas in straw hats, swimming the Rio Grande with machetes in their teeth?

This election is about Iraq and the Bush cabal's rampant incompetence. It's about the books by Woodward, Wright, Ricks, Clarke, O'Neill, etc. etc. etc. all detailing the mind-boggling stupidity that has come out of this regime. It's about even old-time neocons like Adelman and Perle coming forward and saying this is the worst, most incompetent national security team in American history. IMO, when the history is written, that incompetence will be blamed for allowing 911 to happen - specifically Condoleeza Rice. The information was available.

Anyway, if the Dems win big today, they shouldn't waste too much time celebrating. They've got two years to prove they can clean up this Augean stable Bush has produced, and show some competency. If the Dems can't show some competence, in two years they'll get tossed too.

100% correct. If the Dems do in fact take the House and Senate and show no competence, then they should be in hot water two years from now. What is so assinine is the fact that many in this country still believe Bush and Co are doing "a fine job"!
Ostriches, the whole lot of them!!!

[Spider]

we are even building a new hospitial ...... too many add on to the old one ....Casper has annexed several acres of land from the east to the west , and now North ........This shows D man is full of shít on his doom and gloom prediction on increasing the min wage

[defenseman]

The stakes are far too high today, as America's very future, and yes, even its very survival is now at stake!

What unadulterated horse poop. What is it about the GOP that they feel they can never just explain their position on issues? They have to do their little scaremongering thing? I was listening to a Reagan tape on the radio this morning. They were doing a piece on Daniel Ortega winning the election in Nicaragua. Reagan was scaremongering about the Russians taking over Central America (so he could back the contras). He says, "Nicaragua is a two day march from the Texas border!" Ha! Can't you just picture a swarm of communistas in straw hats, swimming the Rio Grande with machetes in their teeth?

This election is about Iraq and the Bush cabal's rampant incompetence. It's about the books by Woodward, Wright, Ricks, Clarke, O'Neill, etc. etc. etc. all detailing the mind-boggling stupidity that has come out of this regime. It's about even old-time neocons like Adelman and Perle coming forward and saying this is the worst, most incompetent national security team in American history. IMO, when the history is written, that incompetence will be blamed for allowing 911 to happen - specifically Condoleeza Rice. The information was available.

Anyway, if the Dems win big today, they shouldn't waste too much time celebrating. They've got two years to prove they can clean up this Augean stable Bush has produced, and show some competency. If the Dems can't show some competence, in two years they'll get tossed too.

I'll say this, if we do not execute the rest of war properly, and when it is time to pull out, pull out the right way. All bets are off. Simple as that. I fully understand the criticism of the administration and it's proactive approach to waging war with iraq. Understood. However, now presently engaged as we are, if we do not come out of this the right way, we just make more problems for ourselves. these are long term problems I might add.....dman

[Rohirrim]

What is so assinine is the fact that many in this country still believe Bush and Co are doing "a fine job"!
Ostriches, the whole lot of them!!!

I don't know. It takes a certain amount of talent. Look how many people you have to ignore in order to still believe in Bush? Just ignoring that many retired generals must be a job in itself. Ha!

[Spider]

I'll say this, if we do not execute the rest of war properly, and when it is time to pull out, pull out the right way. All bets are off. Simple as that. I fully understand the criticism of the administration and it's proactive approach to waging war with iraq. Understood. However, now presently engaged as we are, if we do not come out of this the right way, we just make more problems for ourselves. these are long term problems I might add.....dman

heard the same line about Nam in 72 ........

[Rohirrim]

I'll say this, if we do not execute the rest of war properly, and when it is time to pull out, pull out the right way. All bets are off. Simple as that. I fully understand the criticism of the administration and it's proactive approach to waging war with iraq. Understood. However, now presently engaged as we are, if we do not come out of this the right way, we just make more problems for ourselves. these are long term problems I might add.....dman

IMO, there's only one plan for victory in Iraq, now that the Bushies have screwed the pooch beyond all recognition. You institute a draft. You train 2 to 3 hundred thousand troops and you get them in there as soon as possible, say six months. We all know that's not going to happen. So all the other solutions will be less than satisfactory, no matter who's running the show. There won't be victory. There will be some form of political cover - just like Vietnam.

Bush's "proactive approach" to Iraq was idiotic. It was a hangover from 1991 that Dubya, Rummy, Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc were still obsessed with. But I'm even more pissed that he completely ignored the Powell Doctrine in order to do it. Generals Zinni and Shinseki were standing right there telling them how to do it. Zinni was an expert in the region. They got ****-canned by Rummy, who was obsessed with playing army, and playing it on the cheap. The Army War College issued a paper telling them exactly what would happen, down to the shaky economics of Iraq, the porous borders, the insurgency, and the need for infrastructure. They ignored it.

Iraq is now a monumental, steaming pile of ****. If the Dems win big today, they are telling the American people that they are ready, willing and able to clean it up. I hope they realize that.

[defenseman]

we are even building a new hospitial ...... too many add on to the old one ....Casper has annexed several acres of land from the east to the west , and now North ........This shows D man is full of shít on his doom and gloom prediction on increasing the min wage

Here we go again, throwing the four letter words out on the table again when an opposing belief hits the table. Status quo. Really sad spider, really sad...dman

[TailgateNut]

I'll say this, if we do not execute the rest of war properly, and when it is time to pull out, pull out the right way. All bets are off. Simple as that. I fully understand the criticism of the administration and it's proactive approach to waging war with iraq. Understood. However, now presently engaged as we are, if we do not come out of this the right way, we just make more problems for ourselves. these are long term problems I might add.....dman

"if we do not execute the rest of the war properly".........If pigs could fly....

....this whole gd war was all based on lies and it's time we get our soldiers the **** out of that hell hole and put those responsible in JAIL! Let's show the rest of the world we are still a nation which believes in JUSTICE.
Why should anyone, including the president get away with the types of crimes committed over the past 6yrs.
We need to be able to once again believe in our form of goverment, which we have attempted to shove down the Iraquis throats.


"Proactive" my ass!

[W*GS]

The stakes are far too high today, as America's very future, and yes, even its very survival is now at stake!

What unadulterated horse poop.

Indeed. Even when your ideological brethren use the same rhetorical excess:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1341145&postcount=307

[Spider]

Here we go again, throwing the four letter words out on the table again when an opposing belief hits the table. Status quo. Really sad spider, really sad...dman

you are right , I am old school , I dont know a polite way to tell someone they are full of Shít , so I just come out and say it ............but the bottom line is you are full of shít .........

[TailgateNut]

you are right , I am old school , I dont know a polite way to tell someone they are full of Shít , so I just come out and say it ............but the bottom line is you are full of shít .........

I'm glad you said it. The last time I spoke my "mind", I got neg repped by a hypocrite!

[defenseman]

you are right , I am old school , I dont know a polite way to tell someone they are full of Shít , so I just come out and say it ............but the bottom line is you are full of shít .........

You are a very disturbed individual spide, very disturbed......really feel bad for you.........dman

[Rohirrim]

Indeed. Even when your ideological brethren use the same rhetorical excess:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1341145&postcount=307

I'm not sure he's still a member of the "Brethren." He missed the last secret meeting. As far as LABF's excesses go, I'm sure you'll want to take them up with him. Personally. You couldn't possibly expect me to defend somebody else's posts, could you?

I would say you're just deflecting again, but then that would cause you to post another deflection, and if I responded again, you would post another deflection, and it would end up like opposing mirrors in a barber shop where it looks like you're peering into an endless hall of sameness.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Here we go again, throwing the four letter words out on the table again when an opposing belief hits the table. Status quo. Really sad spider, really sad...dman
"full of sh*t" is a four letter word? But he's pretty much right. You bolding your words doesn't make them any less untrue. Even the right leaning economists and analysts on CNBC agree that raising the minimum wage for the first time in 10 years will not adversely effect the economy or raise unemployment.

In fact, the Treasury Dept. reported that this has been one of the smallest economic recoveries since WWII and that there is no correlation between Bush's tax cuts for the rich and the current economy.

[Spider]

You are a very disturbed individual spide, very disturbed......really feel bad for you.........dman

yeah cutting to the quick and being honest is disturbing ....... you are a true republican no doubt .........

[defenseman]

yeah cutting to the quick and being honest is disturbing ....... you are a true republican no doubt .........

Spide, you quite simply have missed the boat, again, and it appears will continue to do so, by choice. Being civil, is a simple thing, and normally breeds reasonable discussion among those who both agree and disagree with you. Presently, I see no reason to carry on any sort of dialogue, you have a nice day now and be careful driving out there, I know I will......dman

[Spider]

Spide, you quite simply have missed the boat, again, and it appears will continue to do so, by choice. Being civil, is a simple thing, and normally breeds reasonable discussion among those who both agree and disagree with you. Presently, I see no reason to carry on any sort of dialogue, you have a nice day now and be careful driving out there, I know I will......dman

Isee so when someone is full of shít , I should humor them along , allow them wiggle room to feel good about themselfs ................
i am not that guy , I have never lead anyone into believing I was anything less then blunt , is it too much to ask for someone to research thier position before speaking ?
it is easy to say Spider you have all the social graces as a chainsaw .... But you didnt stop once to take a look at your take , so whats the real problem here ? me being blunt or your continuing spitting outthe same Bullshít ?
sometimes someone telling it like it is a blessing ......... proof , I have apologized when I was wrong , didnt make the same mistake twice ..... think about that for awhile

[Barry Ramey]

Geez, the worry about minimum wage is so stupid. Like how many people really make minimum wage anyway? To say economies improved by simply increasing minimum wage is not only faulty, but ridiculous.

The economy is in good shape, the democrats have nothing they can do to make it better without screwing something else up. Tax the rich? Oh please, are people still buying that crock? Heck, even Soros knows how to not get touched in regards to that, so eventually, like all tax increases, it effects EVERYBODY, not those mean rich people.

The democrats could offer a plan what to do about terrorism, but haven't heard a thing about that from them in four years, so probably still trying to figure out something there. Not likely in much of a rush since many of them don't see the threat anyway.

[Spider]

Geez, the worry about minimum wage is so stupid. Like how many people really make minimum wage anyway? To say economies improved by simply increasing minimum wage is not only faulty, but ridiculous. Yeah thats why they wont raise it .... but then you being stupid yourself ........

The economy is in good shape, the democrats have nothing they can do to make it better without screwing something else up. Tax the rich? Oh please, are people still buying that crock? Heck, even Soros knows how to not get touched in regards to that, so eventually, like all tax increases, it effects EVERYBODY, not those mean rich people.
you are full of shít .............

The democrats could offer a plan what to do about terrorism, but haven't heard a thing about that from them in four years, so probably still trying to figure out something there. Not likely in much of a rush since many of them don't see the threat anyway.
well either you live in a cave , or you are in dire need of medication or adult supervision 24/7 ......... How about securing the borders first , then securing the ports ........ I will let you in on a little seceret stupid , then you can go from there , Clinton wanted to tighten up air line security when he was in office , Reps voted it down ......... then 9-11 happened ......... Deal with it ........

[TailgateNut]

Geez, the worry about minimum wage is so stupid. Like how many people really make minimum wage anyway? To say economies improved by simply increasing minimum wage is not only faulty, but ridiculous.

The economy is in good shape, the democrats have nothing they can do to make it better without screwing something else up. Tax the rich? Oh please, are people still buying that crock? Heck, even Soros knows how to not get touched in regards to that, so eventually, like all tax increases, it effects EVERYBODY, not those mean rich people.

The democrats could offer a plan what to do about terrorism, but haven't heard a thing about that from them in four years, so probably still trying to figure out something there. Not likely in much of a rush since many of them don't see the threat anyway.


The Economy: ...as long as we omit the costs of an ill-conceived war, everything is just "peachy".

Tax the rich:.....naw, we'll just let them gorge themselves on massive profits obtained at the expense of the avg American.

Terrorism:.......BOO! Tell me about the threat......and what the current admnistration has done to reduce those threats (not increase them).

Have another glass of cool-aid!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

The real promise of the Democrats - anything short of perfection is the Republicans fault.

The real promise of the Republicans - anything short of perfection is the Democrats fault.

[bendog]

An election of a Dem House, and possibly Senate, esp Senate, would have the one advantage in Iraq of setting a firm dead line for all-ah-Mucky's govt. They know that unless the security forces are 300-500K strong, and have the deathsquads purged, and some reconcilliaiton in place with the Sunnis, there will be civil war.

The US can keep it at current levels simply by having the force to crush any non-insurgency terrorist force that looks like a real army, and the US most likely will do that for the next 6-10 years. But anybody thinking the US public will accept 100 dead GI's per month with the GI's doing house to house searches and manning checkpts is smoking crack.

As far as economics goes ... Well, barry is more off the deep end than al sharpton was with that tamika stone (or whatever her name was) so that's another reason to vote dem.

I did vote dem against Lott and no vote in the House race. (the gop's main opposition was a confederate flag guy)

[TailgateNut]

An election of a Dem House, and possibly Senate, esp Senate, would have the one advantage in Iraq of setting a firm dead line for all-ah-Mucky's govt. They know that unless the security forces are 300-500K strong, and have the deathsquads purged, and some reconcilliaiton in place with the Sunnis, there will be civil war.

The US can keep it at current levels simply by having the force to crush any non-insurgency terrorist force that looks like a real army, and the US most likely will do that for the next 6-10 years. But anybody thinking the US public will accept 100 dead GI's per month with the GI's doing house to house searches and manning checkpts is smoking crack.

Headline: GWB smokes crack!;D

[defenseman]

The real promise of the Democrats - anything short of perfection is the Republicans fault.

The real promise of the Republicans - anything short of perfection is the Democrats fault.

Well said...dman

[bendog]

Headline: GWB smokes crack!;D

Hopefully the dems take the senate, I doubt it, and the House, I'm even iffy on that, and make George get into treatment.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Geez, the worry about minimum wage is so stupid. Like how many people really make minimum wage anyway? To say economies improved by simply increasing minimum wage is not only faulty, but ridiculous.

The economy is in good shape,
As usual you have no clue.

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Over 10% of the American workforce would benefit from raising the minimum wage.

Since the last increase in 1997, the value of the minimum wage has eroded by more than 20 percent. To have the purchasing power it had in 1968, the minimum wage would have to be raised to almost $9.26. Adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage is at its lowest level since 1955.

A full time minimum wage earner, working 8 hours a day, 40 hours a week, all 52 weeks in the year, without a single day off, takes home just $10,712 pre-tax -- which is almost $6,000 below the poverty line for a family of three. (Dept. of Health and Human Services, 01/24/06)

Real wages have increased only 1.6% over the 6 Bush cartel years while corporate profits have increased 92%.

Also, health care costs have increased an incredible 34% during the Bush reign!!

There are now a record 50 million plus Americans without health insurance

There are now a record 38 million Americans living BELOW the poverty line.

Since Bush assumed power tuition at a public four-year college has increased by 45 percent; tuition at a public two-year college has increased by 36 percent.

Congress have given themselves eight raises, worth more than $31,000 since the last raise for minimum wage earners.

http://www.epinet.org/

[TheDave]

Hopefully the dems take the senate, I doubt it, and the House, I'm even iffy on that, and make George get into treatment.

I think the senate stays Republican... As for the congress, I can't see a way that the Dems don't gain control.

[defenseman]

Hopefully the dems take the senate, I doubt it, and the House, I'm even iffy on that, and make George get into treatment.

the dems won't do a thing. They will not make the same mistake the republicans did trying to target Clinton and wasting millions. Turned the whole country off, including me to a degree. They'll push issues and accomplish something for the good of the country hopefully, that is of course, if they do in fact take a majority in congress. I'm thinking the senate is a reach, but you never know now do ya...dman

*If the republicans maintain both, I'd be a bit surprised. However, I've seen data/dialogue supporting both possibilities. Not unfathomable that they do maintain their majority though, again, you just never know sometimes.

[TailgateNut]

the dems won't do a thing. They will not make the same mistake the republicans did trying to target Clinton and wasting millions. Turned the whole country off, including me to a degree. They'll push issues and accomplish something for the good of the country hopefully, that is of course, if they do in fact take a majority in congress. I'm thinking the senate is a reach, but you never know now do ya...dman

*If the republicans maintain both, I'd be a bit surprised. However, I've seen data/dialogue supporting both possibilities. Not unfathomable that they do maintain their majority though, again, you just never know sometimes.


I'd like to see them lynch the "current cartel' (revenge factor), but I doubt that they will pursue the issue, considering the fact that we have the "cartels" problems to deal with first.
I would hope that we (the thinking American public) have learned from the mistakes made during the past six years, and do in fact make the changes to correct, or at least reverse the direction this country has taken.
Once we are headed in the right direction start the "procecution machine".

[Rohirrim]

I thought I was being real sharp voting by absentee ballot. I just don't trust those machines, especially after hearing about Cuyahoga County, Ohio in 2004. I'm watching the news this morning and what do I see? A bunch of election workers taking absentee ballots and feeding them into... you guessed it - one of those machines. Ha!

[Traveler]

The democrats could offer a plan what to do about terrorism, but haven't heard a thing about that from them in four years, so probably still trying to figure out something there. Not likely in much of a rush since many of them don't see the threat anyway.

Funny how easy it is for you to suggest the Dems offer a detailed plan. What has it been, 4-5 years and this Administration's only plan for the war on terror is to win?:spit:

Unless I missed something, no substantive plan for doing so has ever been put forth. Until they decide to do so, you can save that little sound bite for another time.

[bendog]

the dems won't do a thing. They will not make the same mistake the republicans did trying to target Clinton and wasting millions. Turned the whole country off, including me to a degree. They'll push issues and accomplish something for the good of the country hopefully, that is of course, if they do in fact take a majority in congress. I'm thinking the senate is a reach, but you never know now do ya...dman

*If the republicans maintain both, I'd be a bit surprised. However, I've seen data/dialogue supporting both possibilities. Not unfathomable that they do maintain their majority though, again, you just never know sometimes.

I think hearings, or something, on the debacle would force Bushii's hand with Rumsfeld getting the ax. It would also probably get the senate to go along with forcing funding timelines ... no more beans and bullets. Bushii is on crack to the extent that his entire presidency has been about waffling, no one person's been in charge. One of the neocons put it, "in Reagan's WH there was one rule, if we all don't agree, the Big Man makes the call." In this WH the one who makes the call is the one who best stabs the others in the back. I don't see how the Iraqis are hurt by telling all-ah-mucky that he's on the clock. If Sadr's militas need disarming, he needs to move. If Sadr's gonna be the new Jefe ... well, that's a shame, but if that's what they want ....

[DomCasual]

The real promise of the Democrats - anything short of perfection is the Republicans fault.

The real promise of the Republicans - anything short of perfection is the Democrats fault.

Best post in the thread. :thumbsup:

[SteveTensi13]

I don't know. It takes a certain amount of talent. Look how many people you have to ignore in order to still believe in Bush? Just ignoring that many retired generals must be a job in itself. Ha!

Its been my experience that once an officer reaches the rank of colonel all common sense goes out the window. So, a retired general really lacks credibility.

[ScottXray]

Dems will do:

1. Institute the 9-11 commission report recommendations nearly fully
2. Hold Oversight hearings on Iraq, and the private contractors there.
3. After those hearings find the goods, turn data over to special prosecutors.
Lots of people will be going to jail.
4. Repeal several laws, including the recently passed security laws that Bush wanted.
5. Pass a law banning use of torture...period.

Assuming all this happens W will use his veto a lot..

[defenseman]

Dems will do:

1. Institute the 9-11 commission report recommendations nearly fully
2. Hold Oversight hearings on Iraq, and the private contractors there.
3. After those hearings find the goods, turn data over to special prosecutors.
Lots of people will be going to jail.
4. Repeal several laws, including the recently passed security laws that Bush wanted.
5. Pass a law banning use of torture...period.

Assuming all this happens W will use his veto a lot..

Yep, the veto card will come out quite a bit. And, expect the VP to be involved with senate voting depending on the topic....dman

[TailgateNut]

Its been my experience that once an officer reaches the rank of colonel all common sense goes out the window. So, a retired general really lacks credibility.


How has it been your EXPERIENCE? When did you serve? You are the one who lacks credibilty!

In reality the 2nd Lt's through Captains are the ones who have no comon sense. Warrant Officers have the most grey matter, but don't wat to rule the roost!

[defenseman]

How has it been your EXPERIENCE? When did you serve? You are the one who lacks credibilty!

In reality the 2nd Lt's through Captains are the ones who have no comon sense. Warrant Officers have the most grey matter, but don't wat to rule the roost!

Warrants in the navy are technical experts. However, thats about as far as it goes. Very few are leadership wizards. For the most part, paygrades E7-E9 get everything done in the navy leadership, management, and technical experts all wrapped into one. NO matter how difficult...dman

[TailgateNut]

Warrants in the navy are technical experts. However, thats about as far as it goes. Very few are leadership wizards. For the most part, paygrades E7-E9 get everything done in the navy leadership, management, and technical experts all wrapped into one. NO matter how difficult...dman

Not much difference in the Army. I was responding to Robocops assertions (bs) about retired generals and upper echelon officers!

[defenseman]

Not much difference in the Army. I was responding to Robocops assertions (bs) about retired generals and upper echelon officers!

generals/upper echelon officers? I've met a few that were worth their salt. Vern Clark , former Chief of Naval operations was AWESOME!!! Got the chance to speak with him personally on a couple of occassions, he was worried about his country, and he ALWAYS worried about his sailors. Great guy...dman

[TailgateNut]

Robocop has no experience to judge anyone in the military. If he were judging his superiors I couldn't argue, but.........someone who has never served in the military nor interacted with Military Officers shouldn't open their trap and make those types of accusations.