The "QB Controversy" is Officially Over

[epicSocialism4tw]

Sorry. Those of you wanting so badly to see the magnificent Cutler will have to wait until next August.

[Malcontent]

There wasn't a controversy in my book...surely not after today!

[Crushaholic]

YAY!!! WE WON!!!!!

...now shut up about the kid...

[smalltowngrll]

YAY!!! WE WON!!!!!

...now shut up about the kid...

:thumbsup: Damn straight!! ^5

[maven]

Sorry. Those of you wanting so badly to see the magnificent Cutler will have to wait until next August.

What if Jake gets injured? Do we see Jay Cutler? Or no matter what Jay plays next year? Whether Jay plays this year or not, he's one play from being inserted as the Broncos QB.

[Malcontent]

What if Jake gets injured? Do we see Jay Cutler? Or no matter what Jay plays next year? Whether Jay plays this year or not, he's one play from being inserted as the Broncos QB.

Your point is??????........

[Wes Mantooth]

What if Jake gets injured? Do we see Jay Cutler? Or no matter what Jay plays next year? Whether Jay plays this year or not, he's one play from being inserted as the Broncos QB.

What if we just watch and see what happens.

[BroncoFanCam]

It's dead so long as Jake keeps it up and doesn't return to suck-town.

1-2 games? Fine whatever, everyone has off games. But 7 of the last 8 were rotten performances, any criticism was completely warranted.

As it stands....

Congrats Jake, and Congrats Broncos on a game well played.

IT'S RAIDER WEEK B*TCHES!!!!!!

DIE RAIDERS DIE!!!!!!!!!!

[Dagmar]

So does Jay start no matter what next year?

2006 is Jakes, no doubts about that now.

[-Slap-]

Two things:

We don't get to play against Ike Taylor every week.

Jake threw back to back horrible passes that should have been picked in the fourth quarter today.

He's played well the last two weeks, but he needs to sustain it.

[Malcontent]

So does Jay start no matter what next year?

2006 is Jakes, no doubts about that now.

Let next year take care of itself Kreskin!! Right now we need a proven veteran QB to keep on playing like he did today. Period.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Two things:

We don't get to play against Ike Taylor every week.

Jake threw back to back horrible passes that should have been picked in the fourth quarter today.

He's played well the last two weeks, but he needs to sustain it.

I agree that he needs to sustain the effort. At the same time, he has done well with the expanded offense. Im sure that the Broncos offense is beginning to feel comfortable with Jake under center. He made some solid plays again this week.

Unless Jake sustains a serious injury, I dont see Shanahan replacing him at any point this season.

[maven]

He's played well the last two weeks, but he needs to sustain it.

And history shows that will never happen.

[Mile High Shack]

And history shows that will never happen.

history w/Denver shows he'll have a pretty good year....you are right

the real trick is, can he play well in the playoffs finally

[Man-Goblin]

history w/Denver shows he'll have a pretty good year....you are right

the real trick is, can he play well in the playoffs finally

You can say the same thing about the 8-0 Colts, though.

[Dagmar]

Let next year take care of itself Kreskin!! Right now we need a proven veteran QB to keep on playing like he did today. Period.

Kreskin? WTF?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

There's no QB controversy. Plummer is just keeping the seat warm for Cutler next year.

[Barry Ramey]

Anybody notice Brady throwing 4 picks against the Colt defense? Plummer threw no picks against the Colts. Point is the best QB's throw picks in the NFL as well, so this "oh, replace Plummer" after any bad throw or pick is old since no other team with a winning record seriously contemplates doing that. I doubt you'll see a ton of Pat fans asking for the Pat backup anytime soon.

[Mile High Shack]

Brady sucks...he needs to be benched

[broncogary]

Anybody notice Brady throwing 4 picks against the Colt defense? Plummer threw no picks against the Colts. Point is the best QB's throw picks in the NFL as well, so this "oh, replace Plummer" after any bad throw or pick is old since no other team with a winning record seriously contemplates doing that. I doubt you'll see a ton of Pat fans asking for the Pat backup anytime soon.

Maybe we should recruit them as Bronco fans.

[Malcontent]

Kreskin? WTF?

"The Amazing Kreskin" Predicted future events from the Tonight Show couch.

Youre prolly too young. No Problem. Its all Good!

[Hercules Rockefeller]

If 1 excellent game out of 8 ends the controversy, does another terrible game reignite it since that would be two terrible games to one great game? Just curious with people always moving the goalposts when it comes to looking at Jake's play.

[Dutch]

There's no QB controversy. Plummer is just keeping the seat warm for Cutler next year.

STFU Boob & go back to Quief's Planet and stroke over your over rated 5-3 record. Why does this loser hang out here?

Dutch

[Sassy]

Anybody notice Brady throwing 4 picks against the Colt defense? Plummer threw no picks against the Colts. Point is the best QB's throw picks in the NFL as well, so this "oh, replace Plummer" after any bad throw or pick is old since no other team with a winning record seriously contemplates doing that. I doubt you'll see a ton of Pat fans asking for the Pat backup anytime soon.

No kidding...Brady, Grossman, Manning, Big Ben ALL had more pics than Jake...messy day of football!

[broncogary]

If 1 excellent game out of 8 ends the controversy, does another terrible game reignite it since that would be two terrible games to one great game? Just curious with people always moving the goalposts when it comes to looking at Jake's play.

Jake's got a weak arm and isn't an accurate pocket passer. That's my goal post.

[errand]

Granted this is probably Jake's last year in Denver since we drafted Cutler and the media and fan base will clamor for him to start next year even more rabidly than they are this year. but to those who cannot wait for the Cutler era to start, i have one question -

What happens if Jake plays well the rest of the way and we win the Super bowl?

[-Slap-]

Anybody notice Brady throwing 4 picks against the Colt defense? Plummer threw no picks against the Colts. Point is the best QB's throw picks in the NFL as well, so this "oh, replace Plummer" after any bad throw or pick is old since no other team with a winning record seriously contemplates doing that. I doubt you'll see a ton of Pat fans asking for the Pat backup anytime soon.

I doubt you'll say anything remotely intelligent anytime soon, either.

[broncogary]

Then we have to stick with him.

[Taco John]

So long as Jake keeps getting the ball in Javon Walker's hands, I'm ok with this. I don't know that Jake's doing anything out there that Jay couldn't do, but that doesn't matter to me so long as we continue to play like a team, instead of one side carrying the other. This was a very satisfying win against a team that matches up pretty well against us.

[Dutch]

I doubt you'll say anything remotely intelligent anytime soon, either.

Just about as sick of you as I am Boob, Slap. Your tone sucks. The personal shots do as well. What are you, about 19?

Dutch

[maven]

If 1 excellent game out of 8 ends the controversy, does another terrible game reignite it since that would be two terrible games to one great game? Just curious with people always moving the goalposts when it comes to looking at Jake's play.

My heart & my gut doesn't believe in Plummer. Maybe it's just me, but I don't believe Jake can lead us to the promise land.

I feel I am not the only one, thus the endless Jake vs Jay threads.

[-Slap-]

Just about as sick of you as I am Boob, Slap. Your tone sucks. The personal shots do as well. What are you, about 19?

Dutch


About 19 times smarter than you, and who cares what you like?

[epicSocialism4tw]

If 1 excellent game out of 8 ends the controversy, does another terrible game reignite it since that would be two terrible games to one great game? Just curious with people always moving the goalposts when it comes to looking at Jake's play.

I have never felt the necessity to replace Plummer. No wavering with the winds here. There is value there that, to me, exceeds the risk of starting a rookie QB.

[Taco John]

Granted this is probably Jake's last year in Denver since we drafted Cutler and the media and fan base will clamor for him to start next year even more rabidly than they are this year. but to those who cannot wait for the Cutler era to start, i have one question -

What happens if Jake plays well the rest of the way and we win the Super bowl?



If that happens, then we might actually be able to get something out of Jake in a trade.

[Dutch]

So long as Jake keeps getting the ball in Javon Walker's hands, I'm ok with this. I don't know that Jake's doing anything out there that Jay couldn't do, but that doesn't matter to me so long as we continue to play like a team, instead of one side carrying the other. This was a very satisfying win against a team that matches up pretty well against us.

Rep & Amen on that one TJ. I noticed that Prince Brady didn't fare any better, in fact he did worse than Jake did this evening against the Colts.

Dutch

[Dutch]

About 19 times smarter than you, and who cares what you like?

Oh that was mature. Punk. Vegas...figures.

Dutch

[Dutch]

I have never felt the necessity to replace Plummer. No wavering with the winds here. There is value there that, to me, exceeds the risk of starting a rookie QB.

I agree. It has a bit to do with the locker room as well. Mike made that mistake once with SOB and that didn't fly to well.

Dutch

[epicSocialism4tw]

So long as Jake keeps getting the ball in Javon Walker's hands, I'm ok with this. I don't know that Jake's doing anything out there that Jay couldn't do, but that doesn't matter to me so long as we continue to play like a team, instead of one side carrying the other. This was a very satisfying win against a team that matches up pretty well against us.

I didnt see a whole lot of the defense doing the carrying this week or last. Jake had much more of a tangible impact in both games than the entire defense did.

[Taco John]

I didnt see a whole lot of the defense doing the carrying this week or last. Jake had much more of a tangible impact in both games than the entire defense did.

Neither side could be said to carry the other this week. It was a complete team effort in every aspect of the word.

[-Slap-]

Oh that was mature. Punk. Vegas...figures.

Dutch

And you live in the ****tiest sports town in America. Big shocker.

Keep comparing Jake to QBs like Tom Brady. That will be sure to quiet down the argument.

Pull the wool out of your zipper and shut up.

[maven]

What happens if Jake plays well the rest of the way and we win the Super bowl?

Great! I would love that!

Reality, that is not going to happen. Our team this year isn't dominant. No dominant running game. No dominant defense. No dominant special teams.

Unfortunately, the Broncos aren't dominate in any phase of the game. They're not great in any phase of the game. Jake and the Broncos are not going to the SB this year. It sucks, but the reality is obvious.

The new era begins with Jay Cutler. Hope is out there. And the future starts with Jay.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Neither side could be said to carry the other this week. It was a complete team effort in every aspect of the word.

Thank goodness Jake and Javon Walker were able to take up the slack for the pass defense this week. Lord knows giving up 430 yards to the worst starting QB in the NFL this season sure wasnt helping the cause.

[Los Broncos]

Jake looked good, how did it taste pitt? hahaha

[Crushaholic]

Great! I would love that!

Reality, that is not going to happen. Our team this year isn't dominant. No dominant running game. No dominant defense. No dominant special teams.

Unfortunately, the Broncos aren't dominate in any phase of the game. They're not great in any phase of the game. Jake and the Broncos are not going to the SB this year. It sucks, but the reality is obvious.

The new era begins with Jay Cutler. Hope is out there. And the future starts with Jay.

Jay plays running back, defense and special teams, too? Well, damn. Get the kid in there!ROFL!

[epicSocialism4tw]

No kidding...Brady, Grossman, Manning, Big Ben ALL had more pics than Jake...messy day of football!

Grossman has looked like an amateur a few times this season.

[-Slap-]

Grossman has looked like an amateur a few times this season.

http://www.wrex.com/Images/0814griese.jpg

[Dutch]

And you live in the ****tiest sports town in America. Big shocker.

Keep comparing Jake to QBs like Tom Brady. That will be sure to quiet down the argument.

Pull the wool out of your zipper and shut up.

Not by choice. Happens to be where the job took me. Point is you spend an awful lot of time punking people out from behind the keyboard there Slap, pretty brave. Especially here lately, what's up with that? I have enjoyed the discussions here at The Mane, but frankly the tone is getting pretty sh!tty here lately.

Dutch

[broncos_mtnman]

Man, some of you Jakesters are really insecure, aren't you? Nyah!

Gotta toot your own horn.... :blowhorn:

Jake had a very good game.

I remember the days when good QB play was more the norm, instead of the exception. Now, it's so much a surprise that his followers have to degrade the backup.

Pretty pathetic. tsk tsk

[maven]

Jay plays running back, defense and special teams, too? Well, damn. Get the kid in there!ROFL!

Why not bring Jay in? He might actually give Denver a competitive advantage passing the ball. Which would open up the running game to bigger plays. Our current offense stinks currently as is. Jake brings nothing to the game. Our running game is nothing to fear. Jake is a game manager, thus no mistake Jake. He is not good enough to take over a game. He doesn't help the rushing game since he brings zero fear to opposing defenses.

[broncos_mtnman]

Hey, spot Jake 14 points and he can win a game with the best of them.

:~ohyah!:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Man, some of you Jakesters are really insecure, aren't you?
Gotta toot your own horn....
Jake had a very good game.
I remember the days when good QB play was more the norm, instead of the exception. Now, it's so much a surprise that his followers have to degrade the backup.
Pretty pathetic.

Get outta here. The world needs more Dolphans.

[DB84FAN]

i think no matter what jake does, he wont be here next year with the contract... u cant pay two guys premier salary at QB position. And moreover one year of learning is good enough for a QB picked that high. If jake restructures and stays here.. that is great. We will have a good backup and jake can retire as a bronco, and who knows he can have a superbowl ring as well... so gut feeling is.. jay will be the starter next year... no matter what happens this season.

If we get a low second or high 3rd for jake, it is a no brainer to trade. but i wonder who will take him for that money and a pick

[Crushaholic]

Why not bring Jay in? He might actually give Denver a competitive advantage passing the ball. Which would open up the running game to bigger plays. Our current offense stinks currently as is. Jake brings nothing to the game. Our running game is nothing to fear. Jake is a game manager, thus no mistake Jake. He is not good enough to take over a game. He doesn't help the rushing game since he brings zero fear to opposing defenses.

Setting aside the fact that Jake had a great game today (and last week, for that matter), you brought up the fact that we have no dominant defense or special teams (which would be correct). Changing leaders when the going is still good makes no sense when we are still lacking a pass rush and can't get the return man decent field position without holding someone. Until the locker room (or Shanahan) gives up on Jake, Cutler will still be listening to his IPod on the sidelines...

[footstepsfrom#27]

Wow...some people never learn. Jake has two good games in a row and suddenly he's imune from criticism? Hardly. Lest we forget...he had an ENTIRE YEAR of sold performances last season and then got exposed in the playoffs for the caretaker he is, but now he's got no worries on the strength of: 1) a good game against one of the NFL's shakiest defenses last week, and 2) the fact that the Steelers coughed it up 6 times at home.

Let's see what happens in the 2nd half of the season and the playoffs. I'm not convinced bad Jake won't rear his ugly head at some point the rest of the way...hopefully it won't be at the most inoportune moment possible. Either way...Cutler's the starting QB next season. There's no way Shanny is going to leave that arm on the bench while he dumbs down the offense for Jake another season. I'm glad Plummer's playing well...he's halfway to making up for the horrific performances of the first few games IMO.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Let's see what happens in the 2nd half of the season and the playoffs. I'm not convinced bad Jake won't rear his ugly head at some point the rest of the way...hopefully it won't be at the most inoportune moment possible. Either way...Cutler's the starting QB next season. There's no way Shanny is going to leave that arm on the bench while he dumbs down the offense for Jake another season. I'm glad Plummer's playing well...he's halfway to making up for the horrific performances of the first few games IMO.

Plummer has had his best games against:
1. Pittsburgh
2. Indy
3. New England
4. Baltimore
Those have been the "highlight" games on the schedule.

Plummer has also improved as the offense has been expanded.

Plummer has improved as he has become more comfortable with the new players in the offense.

Plummer has trended upwards for weeks.

There is now no apparent reason to start a rookie at any point for the rest of the season barring emergency.

[Mile High Shack]

Wow...some people never learn. Jake has two good games in a row and suddenly he's imune from criticism? Hardly. Lest we forget...he had an ENTIRE YEAR of sold performances last season and then got exposed in the playoffs for the caretaker he is, but now he's got no worries on the strength of: 1) a good game against one of the NFL's shakiest defenses last week, and 2) the fact that the Steelers coughed it up 6 times at home.

Let's see what happens in the 2nd half of the season and the playoffs. I'm not convinced bad Jake won't rear his ugly head at some point the rest of the way...hopefully it won't be at the most inoportune moment possible. Either way...Cutler's the starting QB next season. There's no way Shanny is going to leave that arm on the bench while he dumbs down the offense for Jake another season. I'm glad Plummer's playing well...he's halfway to making up for the horrific performances of the first few games IMO.

what's a matter, you have him in fantasy and he screwed you over a couple of times? :giggle:

jake played like poo-poo, but if we plays like he has past 2 weeks, no reason why we can't make a run at this...if our D can stay healthy...lol

[Sassy]

Reality, that is not going to happen. Our team this year isn't dominant. No dominant running game. No dominant defense. No dominant special teams.
Who is?

[Taco John]

I don't care who our quarterback is, so long at Javon is getting at least 8-10 touches a game. Put Rod back there if you have to. Just get the ball in Javon's hands. 'Freaking love Javon.

[Northman]

Sorry. Those of you wanting so badly to see the magnificent Cutler will have to wait until next August.



Contrary to your belief there is and was no Qb contraversy. We on the Orangemane have no pull on what Qb starts or sits. The Bronco Organization has stated numerous times that Jake is the starter. Im not sure where you thought the Mane did have that kind of power but this thread is totally pointless.

[Taco John]

Contrary to your belief there is and was no Qb contraversy. We on the Orangemane have no pull on what Qb starts or sits. The Bronco Organization has stated numerous times that Jake is the starter. So therefore this thread is pointless. :rofl:



Jake's job was in real danger. Mort's source was a good one.

[Northman]

Jake's job was in real danger. Mort's source was a good one.



Mort was the only one to state that and nothing came of it. Nothing was backed up from the Organization. Pure Speculation.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Sorry. Those of you wanting so badly to see the magnificent Cutler will have to wait until next August.

You may be right but the divorce is still pending in December. Jake was just one loss away from losing his job, anyone who denies this has drank way to much Orange Crush.

Maybe just maybe if we can win our divisonal games we'll get a playoff game at home. We may win that game but the only prayer Jake has of staying a Bronco next year is if he wins the Super Bowl. I hope he shocks the world, but it's very doubtful.

Jake has far to many weaknesses in his game and he's not good enough to overcome some of the the team weaknesses we have to help us win at the championship level. Jake is just an average manager of another 7-11, he'll never be a CEO of Microsoft. Next year he probably gets demoted to an Assistant Manager on a team like the Texans or maybe even the Raiders. Wouldn't that be the end all?

[BroncoFanCam]

i think no matter what jake does, he wont be here next year with the contract... u cant pay two guys premier salary at QB position. And moreover one year of learning is good enough for a QB picked that high. If jake restructures and stays here.. that is great. We will have a good backup and jake can retire as a bronco, and who knows he can have a superbowl ring as well... so gut feeling is.. jay will be the starter next year... no matter what happens this season.

If we get a low second or high 3rd for jake, it is a no brainer to trade. but i wonder who will take him for that money and a pickYou're correct, regardless what happens with Jake this year, he is done as a Bronco.

They aren't going to give Jake and Jay both the high salaries thay are contracted to. And they aren't going to keep someone who is in the twilight of his career when they have a young stud with a better arm.

I'd like to see us package Jake with our first, to move up in the 1st round for a beast of a d-lineman.

And altjough playing good yesterday, and averge agaisnt Indy. He hasn't completely atoned for his pathetic first 5 games. But he did do a nice job when we really needed him, for once.

[-Slap-]

Not by choice. Happens to be where the job took me. Point is you spend an awful lot of time punking people out from behind the keyboard there Slap, pretty brave. Especially here lately, what's up with that? I have enjoyed the discussions here at The Mane, but frankly the tone is getting pretty sh!tty here lately.

Dutch

Who gives a **** what you like, dickhead?

[rbackfactory80]

Just off the top of my head he could start for the Raiders, Lions, Vikings, Miami, Buffalo, Cleveland, Tampa.

[Old Dude]

Seems like he's out of his slump now. Miracle medicine. Brand name: Javon "the Cure" Walker.

If they can keep this up, teams will have to devote more attention to Javon and other parts of the offense should start rumbling along as well.

[Northman]

Seems like he's out of his slump now. Miracle medicine. Brand name: Javon "the Cure" Walker.

If they can keep this up, teams will have to devote more attention to Javon and other parts of the offense should start rumbling along as well.



Oh no doubt. Pitt is probably wondering what the hell hit them. Javon just exploded on them. Raiders are thinking to themselves? Moss? Damn! We should have waited for Javon! Ha!

[freak6]

Yesterday the Steelers rolled the coverage to Javon, isolating Rod Smith 1 on 1, result, first down on a 10 yard out. If we can just get our TEs going.

The formations yesterday were great, taking away the outside blitz by going double TE on each side, and the RB taking whatever Steeler made it through the middle.

Did we even give up a sack yesterday?

[Taco John]

Mort was the only one to state that and nothing came of it. Nothing was backed up from the Organization. Pure Speculation.


You're wrong. Mort wasn't the only one to state that at all. In fact, the information first appeared in Jim Armstrong's blog before Mort said a word about it. After I saw that, I asked around about it with the few media contacts that I have. To a man, they said the info was as good as it gets.

[Taco John]

Just off the top of my head he could start for the Raiders, Lions, Vikings, Miami, Buffalo, Cleveland, Tampa.



He's not going to start in Tampa. They've got someone they're building. He's not going to start in Detroit. Kitna is tearing it up. He's not going to start in Cleveland. Frye is better... What the hell is this list? He's not going to start in Oakland. They'll give Walter another season at least. I doubt the Vikings want him, but that's at least a possibility. Miami, doubtful with Harrington showing signs of resurgence. Buffalo, there's a possibility.

Your list needs work.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Sorry. Those of you wanting so badly to see the magnificent Cutler will have to wait until next August.You haven't been paying attention. The "controversy" is only put on the back burner until Plummer doesn't play well which can happen at any time, please try and keep up.

[rbackfactory80]

He's not going to start in Tampa. They've got someone they're building. He's not going to start in Detroit. Kitna is tearing it up. He's not going to start in Cleveland. Frye is better... What the hell is this list? He's not going to start in Oakland. They'll give Walter another season at least. I doubt the Vikings want him, but that's at least a possibility. Miami, doubtful with Harrington showing signs of resurgence. Buffalo, there's a possibility.

Your list needs work.

Kitna is not the answer in Detroit and Gradowski is certainly no world beater. Gruden likes to work with old vets and knows with what Shanahan did to him here, he could turn him into an efficient manager. Frye is better??? LOL I guess I should take that at face value.

[Taco John]

I don't expect a bunch of Jake homers to recognize Frye as a better talent. But he is. All around. Just better fundamentals.

He's not on a good team, and that's a key thing. But if he were with Shanny or Kubiak, he'd be a head turner.

[BroncoFanCam]

He's not going to start in Tampa. They've got someone they're building. He's not going to start in Detroit. Kitna is tearing it up. He's not going to start in Cleveland. Frye is better... What the hell is this list? He's not going to start in Oakland. They'll give Walter another season at least. I doubt the Vikings want him, but that's at least a possibility. Miami, doubtful with Harrington showing signs of resurgence. Buffalo, there's a possibility.

Your list needs work.He'll go to the Skins(we have a great trading history with them, and Brunnel sucks nads), and we'll get a top ten pick after also giving them our first rounder. ;)

I can wish can't I?

[rbackfactory80]

I don't expect a bunch of Jake homers to recognize Frye as a better talent. But he is. All around. Just better fundamentals.

He's not on a good team, and that's a key thing. But if he were with Shanny or Kubiak, he'd be a head turner.

First of all I am no Jake homer, and you wont catch me talking about his mechanics of but he does have a lot of heart, guts, and big game experience, something that good fundamentals does not automatically trumph. He has a success everywhere he has played, taking a very bad team into the playoffs and evening pulling out the win. He was a winner in college also. Maybe he wont bring you a championship but he does bring things whether you would like to admit or not to the table many of those teams could use.

[Taco John]

First of all I am no Jake homer, and you wont catch me talking about his mechanics of but he does have a lot of heart, guts, and big game experience, something that good fundamentals does not automatically trumph. He has a success everywhere he has played, taking a very bad team into the playoffs and evening pulling out the win. He was a winner in college also. Maybe he wont bring you a championship but he does bring things whether you would like to admit or not to the table many of those teams could use.



I don't doubt that Plummer could play on several teams in this league. But the QB situation that's out there is pretty jammed. There aren't a whole lot of teams that you can point to and say "Plummer would be an instant starter there." That's not a knock against Plummer. It's just a commentary on the quarterback market as it is right now. There are a lot of young projects being developed right now, and teams who have veterans who are making a good fit. Jake is likely going to have to go into a situation where he's not the clear starter and is having to compete for a job. If that's the case, good for us. It means that he might be persuaded to accept a pay cut and finish his career playing mentor and back-up to Cutler.

[Lidderer]

I don't doubt that Plummer could play on several teams in this league. But the QB situation that's out there is pretty jammed. There aren't a whole lot of teams that you can point to and say "Plummer would be an instant starter there." That's not a knock against Plummer. It's just a commentary on the quarterback market as it is right now. There are a lot of young projects being developed right now, and teams who have veterans who are making a good fit. Jake is likely going to have to go into a situation where he's not the clear starter and is having to compete for a job. If that's the case, good for us. It means that he might be persuaded to accept a pay cut and finish his career playing mentor and back-up to Cutler.

Minnesota--Brad Johnson experience has now officially ended.
Washington--Say what you will re: Campbell, but sometimes players like that just never 'get it', and coaches realize this.
Baltimore--not out of the realm of possibility, and if Jake can keep playing well down the stretch he'd be an obvious upgrade over Mcnair.
Houston--kubiak connection, plus Carr looks done.
Tampa Bay--Gradkowski has that Shaun King air to him, no?
Oakland--for obvious reasons


which i guess is my on-the-fly way of realizing that I sort of agree with you, as those are the best 6 likelihoods barring some serious injury to a delhomme or kitna or whoever.

[Taco John]

Minnesota, to me, might be his best shot. I doubt that they'll want to go with Brooks Bollinger over there. He's looked terrible when he's gotten in there.

I doubt that Washington is going to give up on Campbell without at least first giving him a shot. They've been developing him under Brunell for two seasons now. Campbell was a first round pick last year. It's very doubtful that they're going to give up on him without at least seeing what he can do in a game situation. In fact, Wilbon is calling for the kid to play (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/03/AR2006110301608.html), saying that for all the Redskins know, they've got the next Carson Palmer or Big Ben on their roster. I wouldn't put Washington in the list of teams that are high probability for Jake.

Baltimore - Just my gut, but I'd say forget it. I doubt that they'd be willing to dump Steve McNair for Jake. I'm not sure why anyone would see that as a slam dunk trade-off. I'd think that would be viewed as a lateral move at best.

Houston - Perhaps... But I doubt it. Carr isn't finished there by a long shot. He's in the 90's in passer rating and is completing passes at a 70% clip. His problem has been turnovers. Which has been Jake's major knock. It's Kubiak, so it's a possibility. But Carr responded to the benching with a good outing against the Giants, and his numbers are showing clear improvement since Kubiak arrived on scene. I doubt Kubiak is going to give up on him so soon.

Tampa Bay - I don't know what you think you know about this guy, but he's done nothing but impress the folks in Tampa Bay.
"I love Bruce's athletic ability. I love his competitiveness," Gruden said (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06310/735972-66.stm). "His leadership skills, his overall presence and his ability to pick this offense up has been impressive. We're very excited about his progress and he's only going to get better." He had a great game this past weekend

Oakland is a possibility, I guess, except that Andrew Walter is a second round draft pick in his second year. He's been pretty damned poor, so that might not matter. Jake could certainly end up here, but only if the Broncos cut Jake... There isn't any trade potential here.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Jake will be a starter on an NFL roster next season.

Gradowski? Are you kidding me? You must not have seen the guy play. Horrible.

[Blueflame]

Depending on Plummer's performance in the remainder of the season, he may spark interest from other teams. But whether they'd trade much of value for him or not remains to be seen. It's no secret that the cap will most likely make it impossible to keep him and Cutler... and pay Javon the $$ to keep him in Denver. So why trade for him when they know all they have to do is wait for the Broncos to cut him loose?

[BroncoFanCam]

Oakland--for obvious reasons

Oakland - Just the idea of trading with each other is a painful thought, not only for fans, but coaches, and owners alike.

Moss for Plummer staright up, and we then have the most dynamic duo of WR's in football, and a QB with a rocket arm throwing the ball to them...

BOMBS AWAY!!!!!

Perhaps one of the few places where Moss could actually be happy given that we are proven winning franchise. I think he was really prepared to be a good boy after going to Oakland, and last year really impressed me with his maturity.

Now he's fed up with a franchise that could care less about winning despite their claims to excellence.

Bring it on... :yayaya:

[Sassy]

No Way >>>> No Moss!

[BroncoFanCam]

No Way >>>> No Moss!I agree it would also give us the WR tandem with the most ego in football... :nyahdevil

[Northman]

Jake will be a starter on an NFL roster next season.

Gradowski? Are you kidding me? You must not have seen the guy play. Horrible.


How is he horrible?

Bruce- 6 Tds, 1 Int with a 73% passer Rating ( Rookie )

Jake- 8 Tds, 7 Int with a 72% Passer Rating ( 11 Year Vet )

[Taco John]

Jake will be a starter on an NFL roster next season.

Gradowski? Are you kidding me? You must not have seen the guy play. Horrible.


You don't know what you're talking about DramaLlama.

Bruce has looked just as good as Jake has this year, and he's in his rookie season. And as the link I posted shows, Gruden is saying nothing but positive things about the kid... and for good reason. He's started 5 games, has 6 TDs, and 1 INT. A 6:1 TD to interception ratio, and you're telling me he's looked horrible? You don't know what you're talking about.

[Northman]

You don't know what you're talking about DramaLlama.

Bruce has looked just as good as Jake has this year, and he's in his rookie season. And as the link I posted shows, Gruden is saying nothing but positive things about the kid... and for good reason. He's started 5 games, has 6 TDs, and 1 INT. A 6:1 TD to interception ratio, and you're telling me he's looked horrible?


Lama is insane as usual. Doesnt even have the slightest clue. Hilarious!

Its going to be real interesting when Jay starts playing. Lama's expectations of a Rookie is WAY out there if he thinks Bruce's play is deemed Horrible. Ha!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Jake will be a starter on an NFL roster next season.

Gradowski? Are you kidding me? You must not have seen the guy play. Horrible.
Nominated for the stupidest post of the year.

[Nomad]

He's not going to start in Tampa. They've got someone they're building. He's not going to start in Detroit. Kitna is tearing it up. He's not going to start in Cleveland. Frye is better... What the hell is this list? He's not going to start in Oakland. They'll give Walter another season at least. I doubt the Vikings want him, but that's at least a possibility. Miami, doubtful with Harrington showing signs of resurgence. Buffalo, there's a possibility.

Your list needs work.

Kitna's "tearing it up"...?

TD 10, INT10, 82.5 rating

[Northman]

Kitna's "tearing it up"...?

TD 10, INT10, 82.5 rating

Heh, well you have to admit his rating is still better than Jake's at this point.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Kitna's "tearing it up"...?

TD 10, INT10, 82.5 rating
Yeah, Kitna's hands are smaller than my daughters. The guy is the answer for NO team.

[freak6]

Ah who cares, can we start breaking down the Broncos vs Chargers game already?

This site is BORING!!!!!

[Northman]

Ah who cares, can we start breaking down the Broncos vs Chargers game already?

This site is BORING!!!!!



Need help packing your bags? :yayaya:

[Taco John]

Kitna's "tearing it up"...?

TD 10, INT10, 82.5 rating


Yeah... He's 5th ranked in yardage overall, and 5th ranked in yards per game. He's 3rd ranked in attempts per game with a 63 percent completion ratio... They're not Peyton Manning numbers, but for that team, they're pretty good... aside from his interception number. But when you factor the fact that he's throwing so many passes per game-- Consider that he's throwing 1 interception per 19 completions. Jake is currently throwing 1 Interception per every 15 completions.

I doubt Detroit is going to be in a hurry to replace Kitna with Jake. More likely, they'll look for a young talent to develop under Kitna.

[Dagmar]

Ah who cares, can we start breaking down the Broncos vs Chargers game already?

This site is BORING!!!!!

:welcome:

[Atlas]

they'll be calling for his head next week.

[Cito Pelon]

You don't know what you're talking about DramaLlama.

Bruce has looked just as good as Jake has this year, and he's in his rookie season. And as the link I posted shows, Gruden is saying nothing but positive things about the kid... and for good reason. He's started 5 games, has 6 TDs, and 1 INT. A 6:1 TD to interception ratio, and you're telling me he's looked horrible? You don't know what you're talking about.

The cupcakes have it all planned out. Still half the season to go, and the cupcakes have everything planned out for next year. Not enough backbone for this year, but my-oh-my, they have records planned for next year. You don't even know what laughable pansies you have been and still are.

[cutthemdown]

Sorry. Those of you wanting so badly to see the magnificent Cutler will have to wait until next August.

It won't be over until plummer is gone

[BroncoFanCam]

The cupcakes have it all planned out. Still half the season to go, and the cupcakes have everything planned out for next year. Not enough backbone for this year, but my-oh-my, they have records planned for next year. You don't even know what laughable pansies you have been and still are.Can I get an invite to the land of rainbows and lolipops too?

You are blind if A) You do not see Jake's exit as "going to happen" next year, B) You do not see why there has been cause for concern this year.

[BroncoFanCam]

It won't be over until plummer is goneYeah, you're right, it won't be August, Plummer will be cut/traded long before August...

[Lidderer]

You don't know what you're talking about DramaLlama.

Bruce has looked just as good as Jake has this year, and he's in his rookie season. And as the link I posted shows, Gruden is saying nothing but positive things about the kid... and for good reason. He's started 5 games, has 6 TDs, and 1 INT. A 6:1 TD to interception ratio, and you're telling me he's looked horrible? You don't know what you're talking about.

Llama is actually mostly right, though a bit too hyperbolic. I wasn't lying when I invoked the name of Shaun King. Gawk at his TD-INT ratio all you want, but his play has been flat-out flat. For whatever reason I take it you don't like DPAR/DVOA, but if you did acknowledge it as a much better tool than qb rating or td-int ratio you'd see that gradkowski ranks 31st among active qbs. Perhaps horrible wasn't too far off.

[-Slap-]

Llama is actually mostly right, though a bit too hyperbolic. I wasn't lying when I invoked the name of Shaun King. Gawk at his TD-INT ratio all you want, but his play has been flat-out flat. For whatever reason I take it you don't like DPAR/DVOA, but if you did acknowledge it as a much better tool than qb rating or td-int ratio you'd see that gradkowski ranks 31st among active qbs. Perhaps horrible wasn't too far off.

He's a rookie, surrounded by non-descript offensive talent. Gruden never threw a pass more than eight yards downfield when he had a 15 year vet running his offense, so don't be too surprised this green kid isn't bombing the ball downfield now, either.

In truth, he couldn't have wound up in a better system because his arm strength is marginal, but he moves well and he seems fairly tough.

[Orange_Beard]

If this is true, so is our chance to win it all.

[troya900]

I didnt see a whole lot of the defense doing the carrying this week or last. Jake had much more of a tangible impact in both games than the entire defense did.

What a load of crap period. Yeah the D did a lot of bending, but it wasn't Javon or your boy plummer out there getting the picks and forcing the fumbles. When you make the plays to get turnovers like they did they did a damn good job. If you are going to whine about the defense giving up some yards and forcing 4 TO's and say that didn't help carry the team then I'll sit here and b**** about all the 3 and outs jake provided in the game.

[Lidderer]

He's a rookie, surrounded by non-descript offensive talent. Gruden never threw a pass more than eight yards downfield when he had a 15 year vet running his offense, so don't be too surprised this green kid isn't bombing the ball downfield now, either.

In truth, he couldn't have wound up in a better system because his arm strength is marginal, but he moves well and he seems fairly tough.

Sounds shockingly close to Shaun King.

Who, wouldn't ya know it, went 5 tds and 1 int in his first few games.

I've only seen 3 of their games this year, so yes, he still has time to develop, but my early inclination is to side with a short tenure.

[-Slap-]

Time will tell. He was a fourth round pick for a reason. I predict he'll start more games in the NFL than Shaun King did, though. I honestly believe Gruden is his best shot at success.

[Taco John]

Hey, I'm not saying that Bruce Gradowski is a world beater here. I think you're taking what I've said a little far. All I've said is that they seem to be happy with him in Tampa Bay. Gruden can't get through a press conference without gushing about the kid's toughness.

The focus of my analysis is on potential places for Jake to go, and alll I'm saying is that I doubt there's going to be an opening there for Jake next year in Tampa Bay. Perhaps there will be one, but between Chris Simms and Gradowski, I think that they think they've got their bases covered.

[Broncos4tw]

Jake has done great the last couple of weeks. Just one really horrible pass that we were extremely lucky it wasn't picked. Aside from that, he was spot-on and looking confident, I hope he keeps it up. :yayaya:

I have no idea if Cutler will be "magnificent," all I know is that Jake was sucking worse than many rookies. Unless the guy is personally washing your car and delivering your paper each day, how anyone can defend such dismal performances baffles me. He was doing pratically nothing right, and plenty wrong.

But! He is doing great now. I personally feel it was a confidence issue. And he is over the hurdle. So for the rest of the year, I except a standard issue Jake. That is, pretty solid play, better play on the move, and the occasional really-stupid-decision. That's him in a nutshell, take it or leave it. When his game is on though, he is as good as many of the better QBs, although imo, he'll never be as good as some of the best out there.

But he is doing great right now. But please spare the "Jake Hate" talk. He sucked. You are wearing orange glasses that are utterly solid if you think for a moment he was playing anything other than horrid football except for 1 game, and 2 near-the-end-of-the-game drives.

But that's behind us. I am behind him 100% as long as he looks like he is not throwing the game away. He isn't, so I'll sing his praises along with everyone else.

[Lidderer]

But he is doing great right now. But please spare the "Jake Hate" talk. He sucked. You are wearing orange glasses that are utterly solid if you think for a moment he was playing anything other than horrid football except for 1 game, and 2 near-the-end-of-the-game drives.



This is pretty asinine. vs Ne, vs Indy, vs Pitt were all excellent games. By all means do a tally of his qb rating or dvoa or whatever you want vs those teams compared with how other qbs fared against them. You'll find he was more than just adequate. Even his baltimore performance merits more than a 'horrid' label given their stout D.

Pass D rank(no not by total yards) of opponents:

Baltimore: 2
Oakland: 9
Pittsburgh: 5
New England: 22
Indy: 27
Kansas City: 13
Cleveland: 15

Outside of the pitt game's success, it looks like it's less a situation of Good/Bad Jake, and more a matter of Good/Bad pass D. The same thing sort of applies to, oh, like every qb not named manning.

Of course I didn't include St. Louis because he was, indeed, quite horrid in that game.

[ton80]

The offense's early struggles don't fall solely on Jake. Jake is a system qb that relies heavily on his teammates playing well around him.

Some of the problems from earlier in the year are/were:

1. Rod Smith has slowed down from last year and can no longer be looked upon to carry the load by himself;
2. Lots of dropped passes early in the year (St. Louis comes to mind);
3. Javon new to the team;
4. Mike Anderson is gone, Tatum new as a starter with a rookie backup; and
5. Jake played poorly through 6 games.

You add it all up and the entire offense stunk out loud early on. With this offense, under Jake, success breeds success and failure breeds failure from the perspective of the entire offense. You know, the whole team concept with a system qb at the helm.

It's not surprising that the offense struggled early in the year just as it's not surprising that the offense has improved with the development of chemistry between Jake and the rest of the skilled players on offense.

[Popps]

The offense's early struggles don't fall solely on Jake. Jake is a system qb that relies heavily on his teammates playing well around him.

Some of the problems from earlier in the year are/were:

1. Rod Smith has slowed down from last year and can no longer be looked upon to carry the load by himself;
2. Lots of dropped passes early in the year (St. Louis comes to mind);
3. Javon new to the team;
4. Mike Anderson is gone, Tatum new as a starter with a rookie backup; and
5. Jake played poorly through 6 games.

You add it all up and the entire offense stunk out loud early on. With this offense, under Jake, success breeds success and failure breeds failure from the perspective of the entire offense. You know, the whole team concept with a system qb at the helm.

It's not surprising that the offense struggled early in the year just as it's not surprising that the offense has improved with the development of chemistry between Jake and the rest of the skilled players on offense.

Excellent post.... and add to that, teams almost always struggle under new OCs. I think a lot of what we saw early on was a direct result of that. It's not to say that Plummer didn't play poorly, but to say that it's not uncommon for offenses to struggle under new leadership.

I knew it would require some patience. My only offensive concern at this point is why our starting RB had 28 yards on Sunday. I'm really tired of seeing 1-2 yard runs on first down.

Like you, I really think losing Anderson hurt us. That was horrible decision for a number of reasons.

We're going to need to keep tinkering with this running game until we find a consistent answer.

[Lidderer]

We're going to need to keep tinkering with this running game until we find a consistent answer.

steelers had the number 3 run d coming into this game, so while the showing was poor it could be somewhat expected.

tatum's turf toes worry me, as do both rbs success rate and penchant for those stuffs you mentioned, but by and large I think the run game will be more of a force now that the two Js are coming together and the schedule lets up a bit in terms of run Ds(no team in the top 10 for the next month).

[watermock]

Excellent post.... and add to that, teams almost always struggle under new OCs. I think a lot of what we saw early on was a direct result of that. It's not to say that Plummer didn't play poorly, but to say that it's not uncommon for offenses to struggle under new leadership.

I knew it would require some patience. My only offensive concern at this point is why our starting RB had 28 yards on Sunday. I'm really tired of seeing 1-2 yard runs on first down.

Like you, I really think losing Anderson hurt us. That was horrible decision for a number of reasons.

We're going to need to keep tinkering with this running game until we find a consistent answer.

Dinger was here during the SB years...he's hardly "new". Second, Dennison is the "Assistant Head Coach" along with Coyer. Dennison isn't new, neither is Dinger, so that's absurd. Shanahan is also what could be considered an Offensive coach. Dennison handles the OL, Dinger the WR's, and Bobby Turner the RB's, all under the evil eye of Sauron. Wait that's Crazy Al. There is no lack of coaching continuity. I'm not saying that Jake might miss Pubes a little, but he didn't steal the playbook. He has it, but he didn't steal it.

Those three are all long time Offensive Coaches, each in charge of a specific area, so your out of your mind.

[Popps]

Dinger was here during the SB years...he's hardly "new".

Of course he's new. He's an outsider, coming in to call plays for the first time.
He's new. He wasn't here last year. He's new. Maybe guys know his name around the office, he's still new.

so your out of your mind.

Your right.

[epicSocialism4tw]

He's a rookie, surrounded by non-descript offensive talent. Gruden never threw a pass more than eight yards downfield when he had a 15 year vet running his offense, so don't be too surprised this green kid isn't bombing the ball downfield now, either.
In truth, he couldn't have wound up in a better system because his arm strength is marginal, but he moves well and he seems fairly tough.

Gradkowski might be tough, but those comparing Gradkowski with Plummer are way off base. Gradkowski probably will not start for the Bucs next season. The main reason I believe is that he literally rarely makes it beyond his first read. That's the first read. If you guys think that our coach must be concerned with the condition of his limited offense, what must Gruden think?

I have seen Gradkowsi play almost every week. I would take Plummer over him every day of the week and twice on Sunday. The comparison isnt even fair. Plummer is superior in every skill category, and is much more athletic. I cant believe that some of the people on this board that favor cerebral QB's are getting behind Gradkowski. He's gotta be the dimmest QB I have seen outside of Atlanta, and he doesnt have the 4.3 speed to make up for it.

[BroncoFanCam]

Gradkowski probably will not start for the Bucs next season.Looks like they may have more in common than you realize friend.

[Dedhed]

Thank goodness Jake and Javon Walker were able to take up the slack for the pass defense this week. Lord knows giving up 430 yards to the worst starting QB in the NFL this season sure wasnt helping the cause.6 TOs. I'd say that's pretty good given we lost 3/4s of our defensive starters.

[Broncos4tw]

Assnine? He had almost TWICE as many picks as touchdown passes! And don't give me this "the receivers are slow, surrounded by rookies" crap. He SUCKED, plain and simple, why can't people admit it? He was playing with low confidence, and his picks were just horrible. Lame ducks thrown right to defenders in most cases. Are you suggesting that in the last two games, magically, our receivers are now catching the ball, Rod has GAINED a step, and our rookies are no longer rookies?

I saw this same song and dance with Griese, this is no different. People defending him, and pinning his lackluster play on everyone on the offense BUT him. Turns out that huh, he really DOES suck, didn't he?

Let me ask you this then. Which plays in the last two weeks have been the most successful? The ones where we make a big play downfield? Is it in the pocket? No you say? Huh... it's when Jake is on the move.

When a team dedicates itself to stopping Jake from rolling, and pins him in the pocket, we are still going to be in a world of hurt. The was the Rams primary gameplan, and it worked perfectly for them. Why Indy and Pitts didn't bring a man up to keep Jake from rolling is baffling (especially Pitts, it's not like we had a running game going), but thank god for small miracles.

Leopards don't change their spots. Jake is a "on the move" QB who typically doesn't play well sitting in the pocket, and I doubt this will change anytime soon. As long as they can keep Jake on the move, I think we're fine.

But man, don't blame our solid playmakers like Rod Smith who has PROVED he can do it under any circumstances, for Jake's inept play. Rod made Jake look a lot better last year than he was. Even with his conservative play, Rod made some amazing catches that were low, behind, and above him, because of Jake's less-than-accurate passes.

The one bright spot is that Jake seems to be getting a little better at the soft touch passes to the corner of the endzone. We'll see if he can keep it up, I get nervous as hell when he tosses it up like that.

[fontaine]

Let me ask you this then. Which plays in the last two weeks have been the most successful? The ones where we make a big play downfield? Is it in the pocket? No you say? Huh... it's when Jake is on the move.

When a team dedicates itself to stopping Jake from rolling, and pins him in the pocket, we are still going to be in a world of hurt. The was the Rams primary gameplan, and it worked perfectly for them. Why Indy and Pitts didn't bring a man up to keep Jake from rolling is baffling (especially Pitts, it's not like we had a running game going), but thank god for small miracles.

Leopards don't change their spots. Jake is a "on the move" QB who typically doesn't play well sitting in the pocket, and I doubt this will change anytime soon. As long as they can keep Jake on the move, I think we're fine.

I'm not 100% certain, but since Lepsis went down we've been using a LOT MORE two TEs to stay inline and help out blocking in pass protection. This somewhat neutralizes the LB/DE who wants to rush straight upfield to block out the rollout. So maybe that's why we're seeing Jake be more successful?

The downside is that you don't get pass production from TEs but Walker has picked up the slack.

As I said, I'm not sure but I think that was the plan and whoever called it - Shanahan? - deserves credit.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'm not 100% certain, but since Lepsis went down we've been using a LOT MORE two TEs to stay inline and help out blocking in pass protection. This somewhat neutralizes the LB/DE who wants to rush straight upfield to block out the rollout. So maybe that's why we're seeing Jake be more successful?
The downside is that you don't get pass production from TEs but Walker has picked up the slack.
As I said, I'm not sure but I think that was the plan and whoever called it - Shanahan? - deserves credit.

The offense has also called several moving pocket plays where the entire line pulls to one side or the other. This gets Jake moving without letting the ends and support players (LB's, DB's) have a free path to Jake before he can set. Whoever installed those plays definately deserves some credit. You play to your players' strengths.

[Broncos4tw]

I'm not 100% certain, but since Lepsis went down we've been using a LOT MORE two TEs to stay inline and help out blocking in pass protection. This somewhat neutralizes the LB/DE who wants to rush straight upfield to block out the rollout. So maybe that's why we're seeing Jake be more successful?

The downside is that you don't get pass production from TEs but Walker has picked up the slack.

As I said, I'm not sure but I think that was the plan and whoever called it - Shanahan? - deserves credit.

You might be right mate. If so, kudos for the team to devise the switch-up to keep our offense moving. Because Jake for whatever bizarre reason does better throwing on the run, where most qbs do worse. So if they really devised a way to make the roll work again, it's all for the good. I only hope no team figures out how to effectively stop it. Imo, if Jake can get a good 6 or so rollouts a game, 8 would be better, then our offense can really open up.

[fontaine]

The offense has also called several moving pocket plays where the entire line pulls to one side or the other. This gets Jake moving without letting the ends and support players (LB's, DB's) have a free path to Jake before he can set. Whoever installed those plays definately deserves some credit. You play to your players' strengths.


Thanks, I was wondering what the hell that was.
:thumbs:

[fontaine]

You might be right mate. If so, kudos for the team to devise the switch-up to keep our offense moving. Because Jake for whatever bizarre reason does better throwing on the run, where most qbs do worse. So if they really devised a way to make the roll work again, it's all for the good. I only hope no team figures out how to effectively stop it. Imo, if Jake can get a good 6 or so rollouts a game, 8 would be better, then our offense can really open up.

It's only a matter of time. All defenses have to do is ask their DEs/OLBs to read and react by dropping more of them into coverage instead of hammering away at max protect. This would mean we would have dink and dunk our way down the field and force passes in double coverage or trigger the delayed draw plays when we see guys dropping back into coverage, or counter with more reverses etc etc.

This is why I love the NFL. Its one giant friggin' chess match.
Ha!

[ton80]

Assnine? He had almost TWICE as many picks as touchdown passes! And don't give me this "the receivers are slow, surrounded by rookies" crap. He SUCKED, plain and simple, why can't people admit it? He was playing with low confidence, and his picks were just horrible. Lame ducks thrown right to defenders in most cases. Are you suggesting that in the last two games, magically, our receivers are now catching the ball, Rod has GAINED a step, and our rookies are no longer rookies?

I saw this same song and dance with Griese, this is no different. People defending him, and pinning his lackluster play on everyone on the offense BUT him. Turns out that huh, he really DOES suck, didn't he?

Let me ask you this then. Which plays in the last two weeks have been the most successful? The ones where we make a big play downfield? Is it in the pocket? No you say? Huh... it's when Jake is on the move.

When a team dedicates itself to stopping Jake from rolling, and pins him in the pocket, we are still going to be in a world of hurt. The was the Rams primary gameplan, and it worked perfectly for them. Why Indy and Pitts didn't bring a man up to keep Jake from rolling is baffling (especially Pitts, it's not like we had a running game going), but thank god for small miracles.

Leopards don't change their spots. Jake is a "on the move" QB who typically doesn't play well sitting in the pocket, and I doubt this will change anytime soon. As long as they can keep Jake on the move, I think we're fine.

But man, don't blame our solid playmakers like Rod Smith who has PROVED he can do it under any circumstances, for Jake's inept play. Rod made Jake look a lot better last year than he was. Even with his conservative play, Rod made some amazing catches that were low, behind, and above him, because of Jake's less-than-accurate passes.

The one bright spot is that Jake seems to be getting a little better at the soft touch passes to the corner of the endzone. We'll see if he can keep it up, I get nervous as hell when he tosses it up like that.

You didn't quote me, but i'm guessing you are referring to my post. You failed to grasp what i was saying. I said jake played poorly. I also said that there were a bunch of things wrong with the offense, not just poor qb play. You add it all up and the broncos offense stunk.

How do you account for back to back 30 point games by the offense. Well, once again, it is a combination of things. The defense is creating turnovers. Jake is playing with confidence and making good decisions and accurate throws. I haven't noticed as many drops by the receivers. If i wasn't at work i could go on and on, but you get the gist.