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Northman

11-05-2006, 04:39 PM

Jake gets a lot of credit today. Same with the playcalling. That Bomb to Javon late in the game was ballsy and Shanny had good faith in Jake to get it out there. Sad that it took this long to get him going but i like what ive seen from him the last two weeks. Great win today!

long beach bronco

11-05-2006, 04:41 PM

Shanny just needs to call a play and let Jake throw it........so be it, we got weapons.

SoCalBronco

11-05-2006, 04:41 PM

good job, Jake.

Rigs11

11-05-2006, 04:44 PM

Great game Jake!!:thumbsup:

SprintRightOption

11-05-2006, 04:44 PM

Pretty good game. Good accuracy for the most part, and the deep throws looked pretty good (the one just too long to Wallker, the one Rod should've had + interference, and one Javon caught in the 4th quarter). I counted 2 should-be ints, one reversed and the other dropped. Even if they were ints, the 3 TDs makes it a decent game. Also he had a couple decent runs, one negated by a holding penalty.

It would've been interesting to see if there was a QB sneak on the 4th and inches before Foster false started and Elam kicked.

I hope the anger at Jake subsides a little this week on the Mane.

6-2!

ColoradoDarin

11-05-2006, 04:46 PM

The offense is starting to gel. Jake played a great game, but credit the entire offense for getting it done on their side. And way to go bend but don't break D. We gave up the yards, but not points.

ton80

11-05-2006, 04:49 PM

The Plummer to Walker ought to help the run game from here on out.

broncogary

11-05-2006, 04:49 PM

Actually, I thought the offense looked a little weak. We got one TD on a 10 yard drive and another on a reverse to Walker that very nearly was stopped for nothing.

ton80

11-05-2006, 04:50 PM

Let me try that again, the Plummer to Walker connection today ought to help the run game from here on out. (you'd think)

Popps

11-05-2006, 04:50 PM

Plummer is going to make a couple of boneheaded throws every game. People just need to get that through their heads.

He's also going to do enough 90% of the time to make up for it, whether it's keeping drives alive with his legs, eluding sacks or just executing the game plan.

I mean, people lose their minds over interceptions, but what do interceptions do? They stop drives. That's a bad thing.

But, immobile QBs getting sacked or chased out of bounds on 3rd downs ALSO stops drives.

An interception is a turnover... so is a punt. Given, the ramifications can be worse because of scoring proximity, but the point is... with a guy like Plummer, you may have a couple silly throws a game, but he's usually going to make up for it enough on other drives to balance it out. Today was a perfect example... last week was a perfect example.

Today, Jake's stats were nice. I actually thought he was even better last week, though his stats weren't as good.

He's doing exactly what we need him to do. Help create some offense and win games. I really thought some of our early struggles were a TEAM thing, in relation to a new O.C.. Of course, everyone wanted to pin that all on Jake, but as we're now seeing.. the whole offense needed to settle into a new guy calling the plays.

Alkazar

11-05-2006, 04:51 PM

I, for one, am very glad Jake played well tonight, and, fo once, can say the primary reason for the win was the offense. The defense has had me very concerned last week and again tonight, but at least they held this time and prevented Big Ben from making a come-back. Jake finally gets my firm nod to start for the rest of the season.

smalltowngrll

11-05-2006, 04:52 PM

All I have to say is **** you plummer haters!! You DO NOT diss your QB and you do NOT doubt him!! Especially if your oh so faithful and excellent coach stands by him!!!!

broncogary

11-05-2006, 04:54 PM

Ha, if Javon Walker wasn't making big plays left and right, we would have lost this game.

Meck77

11-05-2006, 04:55 PM

Isn't there a rule of how many times someone can get on and off the Jake bandwagon?

Anyway...Another good win....

Go Broncos!

labronx

11-05-2006, 04:57 PM

16/27, 227 yards, 3 TD's, 0 INT's

Gotta like that. Good job, Jake.
Like they say, the "stats don't lie"

I posted last week's stats, even though he had a "good" game against IND, he did not play a GREAT game.

He played well this game atleast the first half, I have to go back and watch the second half.

Anyways,

great game!!!!!

Had both of my kids kissing each other and me!!!

Great game Denver!!!!!!

RhymesayersDU

11-05-2006, 04:59 PM

Ha, if Javon Walker wasn't making big plays left and right, we would have lost this game.

Ha, if Reggie Wayne/LaDanian Tomlinson/Michael Vick/Chad Johnson/Tiki Barber/Terrell Owens/Peyton Manning/Tom Brady/Etc wasn't making big plays left and right, their teams would lose their games too.

I mean, isn't that what sports is all about? Your big players making big plays? Isn't that why Bowlen is paying Walker what he is paying him?

broncogary

11-05-2006, 05:02 PM

Ha, if Reggie Wayne/LaDanian Tomlinson/Michael Vick/Chad Johnson/Tiki Barber/Terrell Owens/Peyton Manning/Tom Brady/Etc wasn't making big plays left and right, their teams would lose their games too.

I mean, isn't that what sports is all about? Your big players making big plays? Isn't that why Bowlen is paying Walker what he is paying him?

You're right. I thought the handoff to Javon on the reverse was what caused the missed tackle on the play.

orinjkrush

11-05-2006, 05:04 PM

best game of the year for the broncs O. kudos to plummer. still no pressure. floored me we beat them. thought they were better suited to beat the Dolts.

smalltowngrll

11-05-2006, 05:04 PM

Ha, if Javon Walker wasn't making big plays left and right, we would have lost this game.

Walker can't make big plays unless someone gets the ball to him!!! It's a ****ing team sport. Give props to the Offense that is getting their act together!!

Barry Ramey

11-05-2006, 05:04 PM

This was the most they threw deep down the field in one game, so that's also a positive. Rod should have caught that long one he dropped and Marshall had a long one called back because a penalty. And they did this with no running game at all too.

frerottenextelway

11-05-2006, 05:05 PM

It's not about him having a few good throws here and there, or a few good games here and there, it's about him consistently having good games.

He played very well today, but he's done this the past 10 years. He's been the master of false hope, build you up for what he ''can'' do, then dissapoint. Rinse and repeat. Hopefully this time it's different, but...

Go Broncos!!!

maven

11-05-2006, 05:06 PM

This game built some confidence in Jake back in me.

Not me. The wheel will, once again, fall off the wagon. Jake will toss atleast 3picks and will fumble the game away once again. Thankfully, Cutler is on the bench and Plummer's days are coming to an end.

frerottenextelway

11-05-2006, 05:07 PM

Walker can't make big plays unless someone gets the ball to him!!!

Way to hand off on that 73 yarder Jake. ;)

Spider

11-05-2006, 05:07 PM

All I have to say is **** you plummer haters!! You DO NOT diss your QB and you do NOT doubt him!! Especially if your oh so faithful and excellent coach stands by him!!!!

Becky4J and Griese all over again

troya900

11-05-2006, 05:07 PM

Great game by Jake this week. This game built some confidence in Jake back in me. Happy to see it.

Agree he had a pretty good game. Laid the passes in when he needed to for the TD's. After the first 14 through the end of the half it was very frustrating watching the offense, but plummer pulled through for some huge plays in the 2nd half. If he keeps it up like that definately Cutler rides the pine for the rest of this season.

Hercules Rockefeller

11-05-2006, 05:08 PM

Very good game, smart plays with the ball even when he decided to tuck it or throw it away

Paladin

11-05-2006, 05:09 PM

Well, ther are always gonna be naysayers. Nothing is ever good enough. I really think the issue is the Broncos won the game. They are 6-2, and they still lead the West.

Did Big Ben have some poor throws? Jeez. Every QB in nearly every game has a couple of bad throws. The measure is: did their team win the game?

GO BRONCOS!!!!!

troya900

11-05-2006, 05:13 PM

rbackfactory80

11-05-2006, 05:14 PM

Not me. The wheel will, once again, fall off the wagon. Jake will toss atleast 3picks and will fumble the game away once again. Thankfully, Cutler is on the bench and Plummer's days are coming to an end.

If you know so much and have such a negative outlook why even watch. Its pretty sad when your watching Denver play and hoping the wheels fall off.

Barry Ramey

11-05-2006, 05:15 PM

Great point. I doubt there were a lot of Steeler fans upset that Ben had a bad Super Bowl even though they won anyway. I've seen every QB make bad passes, yet around here, you'd believe Plummer is the only one who does.

Well, ther are always gonna be naysayers. Nothing is ever good enough. I really think the issue is the Broncos won the game. They are 6-2, and they still lead the West.

Did Big Ben have some poor throws? Jeez. Every QB in nearly every game has a couple of bad throws. The measure is: did their team win the game?

GO BRONCOS!!!!!

maven

11-05-2006, 05:18 PM

All I have to say is **** you plummer haters!! You DO NOT diss your QB and you do NOT doubt him!! Especially if your oh so faithful and excellent coach stands by him!!!!

Oh look, the forum's biggest Plummer knobber.

Nothing better than a fan telling another fan how to root for the Broncos. Lemme guess, you read a dummy book on how to be a fan. Oh unwise one, tell me more!

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

maven

11-05-2006, 05:21 PM

Its pretty sad when your watching Denver play and hoping the wheels fall off.

Whoever said I was hoping the wheels would fall off? Though, with Plummer QB'ing our team, it's inevitable. Some people can see it. And some people obviously cannot.

Dr. Broncenstein

11-05-2006, 05:22 PM

smalltowngrll

11-05-2006, 05:24 PM

Oh look, the forum's biggest Plummer knobber.

Nothing better than a fan telling another fan how to root for the Broncos. Lemme guess, you read a dummy book on how to be a fan. Oh unwise one, tell me more!

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

ROFL! Don't you wish I only had a book to go by!! Again...pretty sad that you want so much to see your team lose so you can be right!! Go cry in your corner since that's obviously not happening!

elsid13

11-05-2006, 05:24 PM

Becky4J and Griese all over again

Be nice.

But I glad Plummer is finally looking like a 10 year vet then a rookie. But the bonehead play still drive me crazy.

Dr. Broncenstein

11-05-2006, 05:24 PM

Whoever said I was hoping the wheels would fall off? Though, with Plummer QB'ing our team, it's inevitable. Some people can see it. And some people obviously cannot.

You and Freak ought to open a douche factory...

Spider

11-05-2006, 05:26 PM

Be nice.

But I glad Plummer is finally looking like a 10 year vet then a rookie. But the bonehead play still drive me crazy.

;D

rbackfactory80

11-05-2006, 05:28 PM

Whoever said I was hoping the wheels would fall off? Though, with Plummer QB'ing our team, it's inevitable. Some people can see it. And some people obviously cannot.

Its funny, someone like you will sit back and be all pissed of as Denver wins game after game. Sometime you might have to wake up if you want to celebrate the superbowl victory.

clean

11-05-2006, 05:30 PM

We got one TD on a 10 yard drive and another on a reverse to Walker that very nearly was stopped for nothing.

"Very nearly" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

gadlaw

11-05-2006, 05:32 PM

Ha, if Javon Walker wasn't making big plays left and right, we would have lost this game.

Well, Javon can't throw the ball to himself, he didn't play on defense either but he stepped up big and contributed some great plays for the team. Team, some days one player steps up a bit bigger than the others but I do recall Rod getting a touchdown, of Jake throwing those balls, for what, three touchdowns?, of Champ catching a few interceptions as well. Great team win, great play by Javon as well.

maven

11-05-2006, 05:35 PM

Its funny, someone like you will sit back and be all pissed of as Denver wins game after game. Sometime you might have to wake up if you want to celebrate the superbowl victory.

If this team gets to the SB I'll be doing backflips. Unfortunately, that ain't happenin with Plummer QB'ing.

freak6

11-05-2006, 05:36 PM

All I have to say is **** you plummer haters!! You DO NOT diss your QB and you do NOT doubt him!! 

lmao

Blueflame

11-05-2006, 05:38 PM

Hey, the team won a tough one against a proud and desperate defending champion on their own home turf. Let's all relax and enjoy the win... there's no need to launch personal attacks on fellow fans...

freak6

11-05-2006, 05:38 PM

You and Freak ought to open a douche factory...

Are you in need? I just came in from watching the game, and the personal attacks on me are already flying!!!

Bottom line
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Plummer was the worst rated passer in the NFL until this week.

loborugger

11-05-2006, 05:39 PM

Jake had a great game. Also, he had a good game last week, too. His #s are good, but there were also some good stuff that isnt measured by stats... the best example was the none sack on that 3rd down last weekend.

However, there is more to it. Just as a few weeks ago when Jake didnt look too good, things have changed. There has been some changes in playcalling, lots boots, etc.

Again, win as a team, lose as a team.

smalltowngrll

11-05-2006, 05:40 PM

lmao

Grasping at straws?? ROFL!

maven

11-05-2006, 05:43 PM

Grasping at straws?? ROFL!

Lemme guess smalltowner, you drive a Chevy.

broncobum6162

11-05-2006, 05:43 PM

Not me. The wheel will, once again, fall off the wagon. Jake will toss atleast 3picks and will fumble the game away once again. Thankfully, Cutler is on the bench and Plummer's days are coming to an end.

It was good to finally see him have a good game and to be able to bitch about the defense instead. But............... all he has done today is cement himself in for the rest the year which is the main reason I've been pissed at him all year. He should have done this long ago and we wouldn't be talking about putting Cutler in. I can't wait for the Cutler era to start but I've always wanted Jake to finish strong for this year. But again one of these days Jake will be Jake and everyone including me will be calling for his head. So I reserve the right to say good job Jake, but that is what was expected of you from the start. You are a 10 year veteran and have had plenty of time to get this offense down. Play like a man who knows what he's doing not like the idiot you have been playing up to the last few weeks. We as fans expect nothing more and will not tolerate nothing less. If you continue to play like a rookie then a rookie should play, at least he has an excuse. The only excuse you have Jake is............ Popps.

Dr. Broncenstein

11-05-2006, 05:45 PM

Are you in need?

Bottom line
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Plummer was the worst rated passer in the NFL until this week.

I just find it asinine that a Bronco "fan" would actively root for the failure of a certain Bronco. I will go out on a limb and call anyone who fits that description a douchebag. You fit the bill, along with about 1/3 of the posters and moderaters on this board. Got it?

errand

11-05-2006, 05:47 PM

Great game by Jake this week. This game built some confidence in Jake back in me. Happy to see it.

Lie to your mom...but, please, quit lying to us, OK?

You're just posting this because once again he's shut you up for another week. Afterall, according to you we could get just as much production out of a rookie.

scfan

11-05-2006, 05:48 PM

Well, Javon can't throw the ball to himself, he didn't play on defense either but he stepped up big and contributed some great plays for the team. Team, some days one player steps up a bit bigger than the others but I do recall Rod getting a touchdown, of Jake throwing those balls, for what, three touchdowns?, of Champ catching a few interceptions as well. Great team win, great play by Javon as well.

Great Post!!

Some people out there just see when someone is struggling, they don't realize that its a team thing. If Plummers #'s are down do they remember that the WR/TE dropped 6 or 7 passes? or that the O line played badley and he was under pressure all game. Or that the defense, had a bad day and let the other team run or pass all over them? one man very, very rarely loses the game for you . Its a series of things that cause the game to go south. that also includes the coaches. when they see a problem, how fast do they react and make a change. case in Point D williams was being toasted last week. but he never got help the entire game. Who's fault is that.Dwill's ? hell no, Its a team thing.

listopencil

11-05-2006, 05:49 PM

You and Freak ought to open a douche factory...

Ouch-that's going to leave a mark.

errand

11-05-2006, 05:53 PM

I hope the anger at Jake subsides a little this week on the Mane.

6-2!

With Cutler on the sidelines? No way, all it'll take is about 4-5 consecutive incompletes next week before the Jake sucks squad breaks out their usual "Start Jay" threads

This game was all Jake and Javon since we couldn't run the ball at all against the Steelers.

Spider

11-05-2006, 05:53 PM

I am a Jake fan untill someone steps up and replaces him ...... then i will be for that guy ........... Broncos fan first and foremost ........

DBroncos4life

11-05-2006, 06:00 PM

I am a Jake fan untill someone steps up and replaces him ...... then i will be for that guy ........... Broncos fan first and foremost ........

I think thats how most of us feel as well, but its pretty sad what goes on here. No one is calling Plummer a great QB but he does win games. The last two weeks our O has looked great but truth be told I would rather us be winning 10 to 3 type games. Before this I was sure we had a championship type D, now Im not so sure.

errand

11-05-2006, 06:01 PM

Whoever said I was hoping the wheels would fall off? Though, with Plummer QB'ing our team, it's inevitable. Some people can see it. And some people obviously cannot.

I'm confused....are you pissed we won, or are you pissed we won and Jake had a good game too?

You cannot convince me that there aren't a few on here who are silently gnashing their teeth that Jake has shut the "Gay for Jay" gang up another week.

Tombstone RJ

11-05-2006, 06:02 PM

Again, for anyone who will listen:

Jake is the QB for the Broncos this year, win, lose or draw. Shanahan will NOT go to Cutler based on wins and losses. The only way Shanahan inserts Cutler into the starting lineup, this year, is if Plummer goes down with an injury.

You just have to understand Shanahan's coaching philosophy. He has built the most stable organization in the NFL. He has done this by sticking to his guns, and not panicing and turning midway through the season.

Some people might argue with me that when Shanny inserted Griese over Bristor, he disrupted the continuity of the team. That he, "threw a monkey wrench into this stable franchise."

My reply is that Bristor was never annointed Elway's successor. He was Elway's backup, and that was it. When Shanny saw Griese's ability to grasp the playbook, make the reads, and manage the offense, the entire offense, he gave Griese the reigns (and consequently, paid him a boat load of money the following year).

Now he has given Plummer the reigns. He's not the type of HC to pull the rug out under a player.

I don't know why people on this board want to discuss bringing Cutler in. I really don't. Short of an injury, Cutler is not gonna start this year. Period. End of story. Move along please...

Priest Dante

11-05-2006, 06:03 PM

Javon did well for my FF team (my 3rd RB ,Mike Bell sure didn't). I have to give Walker and Plummer respect for playing a good game.

Barry Ramey

11-05-2006, 06:03 PM

Oh man, you made me spit out my water when I saw what's in bold :spit:

I'm confused....are you pissed we won, or are you pissed we won and Jake had a good game too?

You cannot convince me that there aren't a few on here who are silently gnashing their teeth that Jake has shut the "Gay for Jay" gang up another week.

Turf Shaman

11-05-2006, 06:04 PM

Plummer was great this week, and he had a great game last week as well. He's coming around. This board can be a joke sometimes with the polarized opinions though. Jake plays well and people come jumping out "HAHAHA all the people criticizing Plummer were wrong!! Nya-nya-nya!". No, actually they were right, because Jake was stinking it up earlier and he deserved to be criticized, 100%. But he is playing very well now which is great for Bronco fans.

smalltowngrll

11-05-2006, 06:05 PM

Lemme guess smalltowner, you drive a Chevy.

You just can't get anything right tonight, can you?! :rofl:

Spider

11-05-2006, 06:06 PM

I'm confused....are you pissed we won, or are you pissed we won and Jake had a good game too?

You cannot convince me that there aren't a few on here who are silently gnashing their teeth that Jake has shut the "Gay for Jay" gang up another week.
but dont you want to see what Cutler can do?
I dont want Jake replaced as long as`he is the best man for the job , but I wouldnt mind a`glimpse of the future

Dedhed

11-05-2006, 06:06 PM

Jake did play a good game tonight, but I hate seeing 26:00 of clock go by without any offense. We need consistency. With this D, if we can maintain drive consistently we'll dominate.

errand

11-05-2006, 06:09 PM

I am a Jake fan untill someone steps up and replaces him ...... then i will be for that guy ........... Broncos fan first and foremost ........

I love the Broncos...not any one player. If trading Elway would have meant we'd have won SB's XXI, XXII, and XXIV...I'd have been for it. Having said that as long a our QB wins games, he should remain the starter.

Spider

11-05-2006, 06:14 PM

I love the Broncos...not any one player. If trading Elway would have meant we'd have won SB's XXI, XXII, and XXIV...I'd have been for it. Having said that as long a our QB wins games, he should remain the starter.
:welcome: ...........see we can agree ;D

errand

11-05-2006, 06:14 PM

but dont you want to see what Cutler can do?
I dont want Jake replaced as long as`he is the best man for the job , but I wouldnt mind a`glimpse of the future

Sure, when the score is 35-10 and we're either hopelessly behind or way out in front. I do not want to see a rookie in there during a playoff run. 6-2 with 8more games to go.

Dr. Broncenstein

11-05-2006, 06:17 PM

Plummer Haters: Rest assured that Shanahan will play the guy who gives the team the best chance to win.... and realize that your opinion means jack squat. The more you b!tch about it... the more rediculous you look. The real Bronco fans will sit back and enjoy watching one of the most sucessful quarterbacks in franchise history play his heart out for his team... and we'll gloat when he wins in spite of your most sincere unfounded hatred.

BroncoFanCam

11-05-2006, 06:19 PM

Very few complaints from me today, he wasn't forcing passes, he checked off a couple of times and went esewhere. He mis-directed the DB's a couple times, looking somewhere else and then throwing to teh tother side of the field.

99% of the things we were saying yesterday that needed to be done, he did today.

Nice work, and a good game in all phases, agaisnt a desperate team.

WOO HOO!

Spider

11-05-2006, 06:20 PM

Sure, when the score is 35-10 and we're either hopelessly behind or way out in front. I do not want to see a rookie in there during a playoff run. 6-2 with 8more games to go.

agreed Jay will start when Shanny feels he is ready .......Right now Jake is doing fine ...but I also agree with DB4Life , I liked it better when we was winning with defense

Blueflame

11-05-2006, 06:33 PM

(Jae)

11-05-2006, 06:33 PM

He played a good game today.
Made most of the plays when needed. (Fling it up to Walker)
But I'm not gonna **** his **** just yet.
I been down this road before.

maven

11-05-2006, 07:05 PM

ROFL! Don't you wish I only had a book to go by!!

What is your home address smalltowner. I found a book on amazon to send you.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0764539361.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Mile High Shack

11-05-2006, 07:08 PM

He played a good game today.
Made most of the plays when needed. (Fling it up to Walker)
But I'm not gonna **** his **** just yet.
I been down this road before.

you act like you could get in there and throw it to Javon....

Plummer played good enough for a win, that's all that matters.

Enjoy it, we played a team who was desperate for a win and we put them out of their misery....kind of poetic justice for them killing our season last year.

If Jake plays like he did today against a really, really good defense, there is no reason this team can't go to the superbowl.

SteveTensi13

11-05-2006, 07:11 PM

He had no where else to go but up, so color me unimpressed still!

smalltowngrll

11-05-2006, 07:12 PM

What is your home address smalltowner. I found a book on amazon to send you.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0764539361.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Obviously that's what you've used...I'll pass. Thanks for the offer! Hilarious!

Blueflame

11-05-2006, 07:19 PM

What is your home address smalltowner. I found a book on amazon to send you.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0764539361.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

This is just rude... tsk tsk

freak6

11-05-2006, 07:29 PM

I just find it asinine that a Bronco "fan" would actively root for the failure of a certain Bronco. I will go out on a limb and call anyone who fits that description a douchebag. You fit the bill, along with about 1/3 of the posters and moderaters on this board. Got it?

I've never once, ever, rooted for anything, than a Bronco touchdown, on any single play, we have ever run.

I wrote earlier that I hoped Jake got hurt, and all sorts of other ridiculous BS too, maybe your sarcasm meter is broken, if you are referencing that post to me, it's not at all correct.
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 STG - you stating that we shall not ever question our QB, who is the worst rated QB in the NFL, is the stupidest thing I've ever read on an internet DISCUSSION board. On so many levels.

But you wrote that all hyped up off his outstanding performance today, so I forgive your naitivity for your giddyness.

Despite what any of you may think, those of us that think Jay Cutler should be starting,

 are just as excited and happy to see Jake succeed. I am THRILLED!!!

broncogary

11-05-2006, 07:30 PM

Whether you like Jake or not, don't piss off the EGIBGB!

OrangeShadow

11-05-2006, 07:42 PM

jake played pretty well minus a couple throws(the pick overthrown to rod and the one that was tipped) besides that he was awesome

smalltowngrll

11-05-2006, 08:03 PM

STG - you stating that we shall not ever question our QB, who is the worst rated QB in the NFL, is the stupidest thing I've ever read on an internet DISCUSSION board. On so many levels.

But you wrote that all hyped up off his outstanding performance today, so I forgive your naitivity for your giddyness.

Despite what any of you may think, those of us that think Jay Cutler should be starting,

 are just as excited and happy to see Jake succeed. I am THRILLED!!!

How about taking into account the rest of the Offense? How about taking into account that he is winning the games, he and the rest of the team took us to the playoffs last year....and MOST IMPORTANTLY....our COACH has chosen to stand by him!!! If it's the stupidest thing you've ever heard...don't take it up with me...take it up with the REAL coaching staff. If you think numbers are what make or break a team.....think again.

ScottXray

11-05-2006, 08:20 PM

Jake played fairly well today. What was impressive is that he was ON on the Deep passes. He pretty much put all his deep balls right where they were supposed to be. Rod dropped the one and the holding call that stole the one that Marshall made a great play on.

HOWEVER, he threw several bad balls that could have been picked...they weren't but not because of his throws.

I was very annoyed that the Offense did NOTHING in the first half after the first two TDs even though the defense gave them three turnovers. Granted the TOS were in our end..but the Offense was terrible, giving it right back after three and outs.

Our running game went nowhere today...but I am impressed that the Offense kept calling runs. That was the key to keeping Pitt honest on defense, and opened up all the rollouts and PA passes.

Great win...good play by Plummer.

Rod got it started and JAVON carried the torch onward.

I love it that The Broncos have pretty much finished Pitts year! :wiggle:

BMF Bronco

11-05-2006, 08:22 PM

Props to you TJ, all the other of the haters, particularly Maven, need to swallow their Pro Wings and admit Jake had a good game.

(Jae)

11-05-2006, 09:10 PM

you act like you could get in there and throw it to Javon....

Where did I even HINT that?
Way to try to spin this around like I'm dogging Plummer.
I said he played a good game. What more do you want?
Am I supposed to bend over & kiss his A$$ for 2 good games?
I havent forgot the first 5 weeks, so he's still questionable in my mind.

Taco John

11-05-2006, 09:14 PM

Props to you TJ, all the other of the haters, particularly Maven, need to swallow their Pro Wings and admit Jake had a good game.

Props to me? Props to Jake! He wasn't the star of the game by a long shot, but he did his job out there, and it shows that the criticism of his fade pass was taken to heart, because he threw it with precision today. I don't think the "controversey" is over by a long shot. He's going to be under the microscope each and every game--that's just the reality of being a quarterback in Denver with a young stud waiting in the wings. I just hope he handles it as well as he did this week through the rest of the season. More games like this will go a long way towards keeping the fans happy.

freak6

11-05-2006, 09:25 PM

How about taking into account that he is winning the games,

Shall we qualify that statement...lol

he and the rest of the team took us to the playoffs last year.... That's what I thought.

If it's the stupidest thing you've ever heard...don't take it up with me...take it up with the REAL coaching staff. Ok, are you senial?

This is an internet, Denver Broncos discussion message board. It's where fans come to talk football, express opinions, and debate football, etc...

Apparently for you it is a hookup website mixed with social commentary. If you don't like the hearty football debate side of this message board, then stay in the Neck Pony Nation thread. If you think numbers are what make or break a team.....think again.

Well numbers do make or break the Broncos. What is the #1 stat Mike Shanahan quotes? Turnovers. In Jakes two best games (NE and Pitts) he threw no ints, and played great. In games he cost us points if not the game (Stl, Bmore,KC) he threw a ton of picks. Those ints go directly towards his stats/QB rating. So yeah, the stats do matter.

http://www.cherokeeflyer.com/downloads/affcgsecondint.wmv

Don't you have a thread to bump? lmao

Popps

11-05-2006, 10:30 PM

Props to me? Props to Jake! He wasn't the star of the game by a long shot, but he did his job out there

He was actually just as efficient last week, and probably more efficient in the Patriots game. Why you choose this week to give him props is beyond me.
I'm sure there's some weird agenda behind it.

Jake was good today... not his best, but efficient as we need him to be.

The story of this game was our defense making adjustments late in the game and actually getting some pressure on the passer.

Taco John

11-05-2006, 10:36 PM

He was actually just as efficient last week, and probably more efficient in the Patriots game. Why you choose this week to give him props is beyond me.

Because he actually showed me something today. He was adequate against the Pats. Like today, Javon was the star of that game. I didn't have anything bad to say about Jake after the Pats game. I don't have anything bad to say about him this game.

I "choose" to give him props this week because he actually deserves some props this week. Pittsburgh has a tough defense that has shown before they know how to game plan against Jake. He got the better of them this time around.

The story of this game was our defense making adjustments late in the game and actually getting some pressure on the passer.

Hardly. The story of this game was Javon Walker. Yeah, the defensive adjustments factor in pretty big, but we lose that game if we don't have Javon Walker, even with Champ's interceptions. He's the most exciting player we've had on our team since Terrell Davis.

Popps

11-05-2006, 10:49 PM

Because he actually showed me something today. He was adequate against the Pats.

Right, only an unbiased third party voted him co-mvp of the game. He made JUST as many plays in that game as he did today, including crucial drive-saving runs and throws. Why your mood changed today is beyond me. Maybe because you're starting to realize you've got to somehow shift your argument so you don't look wrong.

Javon was the star of that game.

That's fine, doesn't mean Plummer played any better today than he did against NE. Stats were similar, big plays were similar. Results were similar.

Again, YOU deciding to have some bizarre epiphany doesn't make it fact when stats and other facts say otherwise.

Popps

11-05-2006, 10:50 PM

Hardly. The story of this game was Javon Walker. He's the most exciting player we've had on our team since Terrell Davis.

Well, we agree on that.

Was rabid about bringing him in and even more stoked now that he's here. It was the biggest no-brainer on earth.

This guy is destroying opposing defenses. He's exactly what we've needed at one of the skill positions.

Popps

11-05-2006, 10:51 PM

Champ Bailey deserves mention, too.

That's it, I'm starting another thread.

Taco John

11-05-2006, 11:10 PM

Why your mood changed today is beyond me. Maybe because you're starting to realize you've got to somehow shift your argument so you don't look wrong.

Haha! Jake actually played good today against a good defense, so my mood changed against him.

Believe me. The last thing I'm worried about in the Jake discussion is looking wrong. Shanahan's already covered my bases by drafting a replacement for him. All I want at this point is a fine final season out of the guy.

He looked better today than he has all year. His quarterback rating against his past performances tells that story adequately. You can puff out your chest and play make believe that there's been nothing wrong with Jake this entire time, and it's just us who criticized his excellent play who have had the problem. Makes no difference to me. I'm going to enjoy this win nonetheless.

Kaylore

11-05-2006, 11:32 PM

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0764539361.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
That's actually a decent read. I've read it all the way through and there is some good stuff in there especially when he starts breaking down different defensive schemes and explains the types of players you need to execute them.

Jake had a good game. Maybe he exercised his demons early this year and we have only good games to look forward to. I hope that's the case.

BroncoFanCam

11-05-2006, 11:33 PM

Why your mood changed today is beyond me. Maybe because you're starting to realize you've got to somehow shift your argument so you don't look wrong.You're an idiot...

Wanting the most important position on the field to actually show up once in a a while isn't "wrong".

Wanting a switch when the player at that position isn't playing well, isn't "wrong".

Expecting a 10 year vet to NOT make rookie mistakes isn't "wrong".

And congratulating that same person when they actually do something, doesn't make you "wrong" for feeling the way you did before.

We want the players to perform at a certain level, when they repeatedly do NOT, there is nothing wrong with wanting to see if something/someone else could be more productive.

You should really try judging people by the merits of their posts rather than grouping everyone into some giant generalization. I guess that's a bit beyond you though.

Popps

11-06-2006, 12:18 AM

me. The last thing I'm worried about in the Jake discussion is looking wrong. Shanahan's already covered my bases by drafting a replacement for him.

That's hysterical. Typical of your thinking, but hysterical, nonetheless.

You've been bitching about him for years, and Shanahan has stuck by him.

You've been calling for his head all season, and Shanahan has stuck by him.

Now, because we had a chance to draft a top tier QB, you're suddenly "right" about him?

Vintage Taco. Do you get dizzy spinning like that, or are you used to it?

Popps

11-06-2006, 12:19 AM

You're an idiot... .

Poor kid.

Have to call people names, huh? Things not going well for you?

I hope it gets better. I really do.

Taco John

11-06-2006, 12:27 AM

That's hysterical. Typical of your thinking, but hysterical, nonetheless.

You've been b****ing about him for years, and Shanahan has stuck by him.

You've been calling for his head all season, and Shanahan has stuck by him.

Now, because we had a chance to draft a top tier QB, you're suddenly "right" about him?

Vintage Taco. Do you get dizzy spinning like that, or are you used to it?

Stuck by him? You mean, drafted a kid to replace him? We had an opportunity this offseason to sit where we were at and draft a DE, or jump up the chart to draft a replacement for Jake. Shanahan opted for the replacement. The irony of you calling me a spinner is hilarious in light of your ironic post.

I'm sorry that you're having a hard time enjoying this win. You should just sit back and relax... Have a beer. All is right in Broncoland right now. Our team came together for an amazing win on the road, and there's no need for all of this animosity you're flinging on every thread.

Relax. We won!

Popps

11-06-2006, 12:31 AM

Stuck by him?

Yea, he's been the QB since 2003. He's stuck by him.

Yes.

You mean, drafted a kid to replace him?

Has he replaced him? No? Guess he's sticking by him... against your wishes, for a 4th straight year. But, you're right... he made you "right" by taking a QB in the draft.

I'm sorry that you're having a hard time enjoying this win. !

Are you nuts? We had a blast over here today. Actually got the whole family and some out of towners in on the action. Couldn't have enjoyed it any more, as I do every win.

A win never gets by me, my friend.... winning season or not, perfect QB or not.

Have a beer!

O.K... you've now said two smart things on the forum today.

:thumbs:

Kaylore

11-06-2006, 12:40 AM

There is some spinning going on and it's right here:

I really thought some of our early struggles were a TEAM thing, in relation to a new O.C.. Of course, everyone wanted to pin that all on Jake, but as we're now seeing.. the whole offense needed to settle into a new guy calling the plays.
You still can't admit that he played like crap, can you?

So anytime Jake has a bad game = team. Jake has a good game = Jake. Therefore Jake is never responsible for his bad games...only his good ones. Uhh You can't have it both ways, Popps.

Jake has played 3 good games and five below average to terrible ones. The problem has been that the only time he's been consistant this year has been when he's played bad.

This last game is huge because they took away the run game, they had a pass rush, they were desperate and we were on the road. In spite of all these problems Jake showed up big. I also liked that he finally has played eight quarters of football to a level that is exactly what our offensive needs. If he can do this against the Steelers defense under those conditions, then he should be able to hold his own for the rest of the season.

Popps

11-06-2006, 01:18 AM

There is some spinning going on and it's right here:

You still can't admit that he played like crap, can you?

Wow, you still can't read, can you?

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1344379&postcount=10

Popps

11-06-2006, 01:22 AM

If he can do this against the Steelers defense under those conditions, then he should be able to hold his own for the rest of the season.

You don't say.

Maybe he will, maybe he won't. It will largely depend on what the defense does, and whether or not we can establish a consistent running game. He's not an elite QB. He's a fit in our system and a guy we can win with if we execute in all phases.

But, he won't be able to save us from defensive collapses like last week. We need the whole team to show up every week, including him... including the defense.

Taco John

11-06-2006, 01:50 AM

Yea, he's been the QB since 2003. He's stuck by him.

Yes.

Has he replaced him? No? Guess he's sticking by him... against your wishes, for a 4th straight year. But, you're right... he made you "right" by taking a QB in the draft.

I know he made me right by taking a QB in the draft. I was one of two people on this board who predicted as much a year before it happened. Jake's performance and the realities of the cap situation forced Shanahan to ignore problems we had on the defensive line, and opt to deal for a first round quarterback. It wasn't some happenstance of luck that moved us up the boards to do it. Make no mistake here: Jake *is* being replaced. He's here only on borrowed time.

So spin away. It makes no difference to me. The end result is going to be the same come September 2007, win or lose. I'll enjoy the ride either way.

BroncoBuff

11-06-2006, 01:51 AM

Stuck by him? You mean, drafted a kid to replace him?

He's gotcha there, Popps ... :TJnPopps:

I think when defenses sell out to contain the bootleg, Plummer plays poorly. But the last 2 or 3 weeks, the bootleg has been open again, and Jake's played much better. I'm not sure there's a correlation, but teams were really hammering that boot early this season, and Jake was awful then...

Popps

11-06-2006, 02:17 AM

I know he made me right by taking a QB in the draft. I was one of two people on this board who predicted as much a year before it happened. Jake's performance and the realities of the cap situation forced Shanahan to ignore problems we had on the defensive line, and opt to deal for a first round quarterback. It wasn't some happenstance of luck that moved us up the boards to do it. Make no mistake here: Jake *is* being replaced. He's here only on borrowed time.

So spin away. It makes no difference to me. The end result is going to be the same come September 2007, win or lose. I'll enjoy the ride either way.

Sure, at some point... when the opportunity was there, Shanahan was going to take a premium QB if he could find one, and hopefully he did.

But, you've been calling for Plummer's head for years. Even this season, you've been calling for his benching.

So, you've been completely at-odds with what Shanahan has done for a fourth season. But, you predicted we'd draft a quarterback, so all of those years you got it wrong are suddenly null and void? Suddenly Shanahan is a smart guy?

Yea, Plummer is eventually going to be replaced. Just several years later than you predicted, and not all all so far this season, despite your whining.
But, yes... he will eventually not be our quarterback. Very enlightening stuff.

Anyway, gotta go. I'm going to go out and throw a rock in the air... predict that it will come back to earth, then congratulate myself when it does.

Taco John

11-06-2006, 02:36 AM

Sure, at some point... when the opportunity was there, Shanahan was going to take a premium QB if he could find one, and hopefully he did.

But, you've been calling for Plummer's head for years. Even this season, you've been calling for his benching.

So, you've been completely at-odds with what Shanahan has done for a fourth season. But, you predicted we'd draft a quarterback, so all of those years you got it wrong are suddenly null and void? Suddenly Shanahan is a smart guy?

Actually, I started criticizing Jake in January 2005, after our second Indianapolis loss. Prior to that, I was on board with Jake, even predicting a Superbowl win from him in October 2004. That following offseason Shanahan started making compiling draft choices in order to move up and take a quarterback... right about the same time Herc and I were predicting that we'd do what we could to take a quarterback in the first round. I'm not sure what you're talking about "four years at odds with Shanahan." I don't feel like I've been at odds with him at all.

Yea, Plummer is eventually going to be replaced. Just several years later than you predicted, and not all all so far this season, despite your whining.

Huh? Several years later? I seriously doubt Shanahan is going to keep Jay on the bench in 2007. I doubt it will be several years later than I predicted at all. I guess we'll see. There's maybe a slim chance that Jake is still on the team next year. But I doubt it.

Northman

11-06-2006, 02:36 AM

Painting with a pretty broad brush there, Doc... a full third of the posters and mods are "actively rooting for the failure of a certain Bronco"? I don't think so. There's a difference between being dissatisfied with a C- to D performance from a player that one knows is capable of at least a B+ to A and wishing for him to fail. We simply want... and expect... his "A" game.

Did you expect anything less? Here it is some of the people who have been disgruntled about Jake's performance early in the year are now giving him some props and people are in here whining and bitching about it. But all the mean while they are now bitching about the defense which forced 6 To's yesterday. I may be a asshole but im a equal opportunity asshole. If i see a player playing poorly i will point it out and if they play well i will point it out. But i guess some people are so hard up they cant even allow a Jake props thread to go on without having the " see im right crowd " chiming in. Ha!

Northman

11-06-2006, 02:38 AM

Props to me? Props to Jake! He wasn't the star of the game by a long shot, but he did his job out there, and it shows that the criticism of his fade pass was taken to heart, because he threw it with precision today. I don't think the "controversey" is over by a long shot. He's going to be under the microscope each and every game--that's just the reality of being a quarterback in Denver with a young stud waiting in the wings. I just hope he handles it as well as he did this week through the rest of the season. More games like this will go a long way towards keeping the fans happy.

No doubt about it. Two weeks in a row he nails the fade with expertise. If he can stay consistent from here on out i like our chances. :notworthy

fontaine

11-06-2006, 02:58 AM

Thank God Plummer has started to play a lot better. It's good to see that our QB can actually make plays from the pocket when we need him to step up.

Great gameplan, great play by Champ once again and props to Walker and Plummer.

Walker is fast becoming the MVP of the offense. I thought it was Bell early on but Walker has stormed out to a lead.

Hopefully, Plummer can continue to play well and show some consistency because we've got four of the next 6 games away and we'll need him to play like he did today.

Props to ERIK PEARS as well and ofcourse DOOOMERVILLE!

Our offense can play very well even against good defenses as long as key guys step up like Plummer!

Go Broncos!

Northman

11-06-2006, 03:00 AM

I liked the moving pocket that Shanny put in the gameplan yesterday. Jake looked real comfortable with it.

elsid13

11-06-2006, 03:03 AM

Northman

11-06-2006, 03:05 AM

What funny, and decent as Jake played today there two throw that just boggled my minded. First when forces the slant to Walker, with three guys on him and the next time instead throwing to Mike Bell on the sidelines, he throws to Alexender bracketed by the Steelers. Either of those passes go the other way, and the board wouldn't be happy this morning.

True. You also have to give credit to Rod for a exceptional catch in the endzone . The other one was the pass to Marshall. He had 2 defenders on him but Brandon came up with a huge catch there. Too bad a penalty brought it back.

broncobum6162

11-06-2006, 04:09 AM

What funny, and decent as Jake played today there two throw that just boggled my minded. First when forces the slant to Walker, with three guys on him and the next time instead throwing to Mike Bell on the sidelines, he throws to Alexender bracketed by the Steelers. Either of those passes go the other way, and the board wouldn't be happy this morning.

Thats the thing that drives people crazy about him. You know he's gonna make at least a few bone-headed passes every game. You just hope they fall incomplete.

Billy Clyde Puckett

11-06-2006, 06:29 AM

So where are those folk that said teams have figured out how to stop the roll out?

Play2win

11-06-2006, 06:39 AM

I liked the moving pocket that Shanny put in the gameplan yesterday. Jake looked real comfortable with it.

We need to do that from here on out. While a pass or two out of the pocket is fine, I think most of jake's pass's should come out of the bootleg or moving the pocket, he is just so much better out of those.

Lets put this "Pocket Passer" thing to sleep...

Play2win

11-06-2006, 06:42 AM

So where are those folk that said teams have figured out how to stop the roll out?

That was the key to the game.

freak6

11-06-2006, 06:50 AM

That was the key to the game.

Um, we only hit one big play on a bootleg, and we got a FG out of that drive.

Maybe just maybe the key to the game was the 6

TURNOVERS...

Dedhed

11-06-2006, 07:05 AM

Now, because we had a chance to draft a top tier QB

We didn't "have the chance" to draft a franchise QB, we targeted and traded up for a top-tier QB.

There is a vast difference there that you refuse to admit, like so many other blatant truths that you turn the blind eye to when it comes to the QB situation here.

I didn't think you could look more foolish, but you've done so by not accepting the props that us "haters" are giving to Plummer for having a good game.

fontaine

11-06-2006, 07:23 AM

We didn't "have the chance" to draft a franchise QB, we targeted and traded up for a top-tier QB.

There is a vast difference there that you refuse to admit, like so many other blatant truths that you turn the blind eye to when it comes to the QB situation here.

I didn't think you could look more foolish, but you've done so by not accepting the props that us "haters" are giving to Plummer for having a good game.

I'm hoping that trade up makes a lot of teams look even more foolish than they already appear to be like Oakland who passed on Jay Cutler.

Ha!

Play2win

11-06-2006, 08:31 AM

Um, we only hit one big play on a bootleg, and we got a FG out of that drive.

Maybe just maybe the key to the game was the 6

TURNOVERS...

Bootleg, planned roll-outs, moving the pocket are all slight deviations of the same concept.

Don't forget the Javon Walker TD run. That was a branch off the same tree...

Cito Pelon

11-06-2006, 02:16 PM

All I have to say is **** you plummer haters!! . . . . . . . ..!

Well stated.

elsid13

11-06-2006, 02:21 PM

Thats the thing that drives people crazy about him. You know he's gonna make at least a few bone-headed passes every game. You just hope they fall incomplete.

The problem is, I not drinking enough the days to shake my head at those throws. And I'm sure my neighbors are scared to death about some of the screams that come from my place on Sundays.

Northman

11-06-2006, 02:23 PM

The problem is, I not drinking enough the days to shake my head at those throws. And I'm sure my neighbors are scared to death about some of the screams that come from my place on Sundays.

Lol, i dont even get angry when Jake makes a mistake. I just start laughing Hysterically. I mean, lets face it. When Jake screws up, he screws up. Some of his passes are just far beyond belief sometimes.

BroncoFanCam

11-06-2006, 02:31 PM

Poor kid.

Have to call people names, huh? Things not going well for you?

I hope it gets better. I really do.

1: If the shoe fits...

2: Things are just fine for me, a "W" for the Broncos makes my week, thanks for your concern.

3: Nice dodge, ignoring the substance of the post which pointed to your gross geeralizations, and inability to to be "fair"...

Cito Pelon

11-06-2006, 02:39 PM

Oh look, the forum's biggest Plummer knobber.. . . . .

And here you are sifting through Plummer's excrement thinking you're a genius . . . ..

elsid13

11-06-2006, 02:50 PM

Lol, i dont even get angry when Jake makes a mistake. I just start laughing Hysterically. I mean, lets face it. When Jake screws up, he screws up. Some of his passes are just far beyond belief sometimes.

Your right the Plummer phases are something like this

1.Man, the defense must have pulled a fast one
2. Man, Plummer must have been rushed, Foster sucks
3. Man what did he see
4. Man WTF????
5. Man, that guy is worthless as QB
6 ###%!%!%#%!% I hate you and you're entire family you unwashed hippie, SOB could have made that throw
7. Not again, shake your head
8. Bartender I'm switching to the hard stuff, (knowing that you can explain it to the nice police officer)
9. To laughing hysterically and talking to yourself
10. IT all Coyer and the defense fault

Cito Pelon

11-06-2006, 02:56 PM

Ya know, just watching the tape and I'm pissed at Cecil Sapp for not blasting Polamalu on the reverse TD by Javon. He really should have blasted him.

Northman

11-06-2006, 02:58 PM

Your right the Plummer phases are something like this

1.Man, the defense must have pulled a fast one
2. Man, Plummer must have been rushed, Foster sucks
3. Man what did he see
4. Man WTF????
5. Man, that guy is worthless as QB
6 ###%!%!%#%!% I hate you and you're entire family you unwashed hippie, SOB could have made that throw
7. Not again, shake your head
8. Bartender I'm switching to the hard stuff, (knowing that you can explain it to the nice police officer)
9. To laughing hysterically and talking to yourself
10. IT all Coyer and the defense fault

LOL

Taco John

11-06-2006, 03:03 PM

One thing that this past game cemented in my mind--I have to admit-- is that a team SHOULD be capable of making up a 14 point deficit to make the game interesting still. Big Ben did a good job of limiting his own mistakes to put his team in contention the entire way through. They didn't let the fact that their defense and special teams let them down early act as an excuse to fold up shop and just start flinging it.

penguintheory

11-06-2006, 03:42 PM

Good game Jake, I was really bummed at how terrible our pass rush was this game. Yikes.

Taco John

11-06-2006, 03:43 PM

Good game Jake, I was really bummed at how terrible our pass rush was this game. Yikes.

What are you talking about? We had our best pass rush of the season this last game, producing four sacks. They even wrote an article about it at the Rocky Mountain News:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5121823,00.html

I'm not sure what game you watched, but anyone who comes up with the take that they were bummed out about our pass rush after that game needs to evaluate their ability to recognize what a pass rush even is. Yikes.

Lidderer

11-06-2006, 03:53 PM

What are you talking about? We had our best pass rush of the season this last game, producing four sacks. They even wrote an article about it at the Rocky Mountain News:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5121823,00.html

I'm not sure what game you watched, but anyone who comes up with the take that they were bummed out about our pass rush after that game needs to evaluate their ability to recognize what a pass rush even is. Yikes.

4 sacks in 60 dropbacks isn't all that astounding. And that Bailey(I almost wanna type "St." in front of that everytime) INT was the product of a blitz not entirely generated by a front four...in other words: not what we conventionally refer to as a 'pass rush'.

I agree with you that the passrush wasn't 'bad' really, but it wasn't anything special, let alone noteworthy, regardless of what the Post wants to tell us.

That said, there seemed to be quite a few holding calls that weren't recognized, so in the end it might have garnered better results had those not occurred or been flagged properly.

Cito Pelon

11-06-2006, 04:09 PM

There is some spinning going on and it's right here:

You still can't admit that he played like crap, can you?

So anytime Jake has a bad game = team. Jake has a good game = Jake. Therefore Jake is never responsible for his bad games...only his good ones. Uhh You can't have it both ways, Popps.

Jake has played 3 good games and five below average to terrible ones. The problem has been that the only time he's been consistant this year has been when he's played bad.

This last game is huge because they took away the run game, they had a pass rush, they were desperate and we were on the road. In spite of all these problems Jake showed up big. I also liked that he finally has played eight quarters of football to a level that is exactly what our offensive needs. If he can do this against the Steelers defense under those conditions, then he should be able to hold his own for the rest of the season.

So you're saying Jake has to pull the rest of the O's fat out of the fire? I can see an argument for that. But really, that should not be necessary.

BTW, props to Foxworth for running down Ward when he got away from everybody else (still watching the tape).