Creepy Evangilicals

[TailgateNut]

Just another creepy preacher exposed! I know D-man's response; "it's just a claim"! We need to pull the tax excempt status of all churches immediately!





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[TheDave]

Just another creepy preacher exposed! I know D-man's response; "it's just a claim"! We need to pull the tax excempt status of all churches immediately!





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Linky no Worky :)

[baja]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmX23l0ouo8

[TailgateNut]

Linky no Worky :)\


Try this Linky!





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[Hotrod]

So wait a gay guy is making this claim during the elections against a preacher whos against gay activity yet you want to hang him on the spot. Are you not one of the ones whos against us doing the same type of thing to suspected terrorists. What about this American citizens right to a fair/speedy trail before being found guilty???

[TheDave]

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Try this Linky!





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Thanky

At this point just an allegation by a man-whore... But if it's true this would be funny.

[TailgateNut]

Thanky

At this point just an allegation by a man-whore... But if it's true this would be funny.


I understand the current disposition of this "story/ claim". Just tossin' it out there for the wolves!

[TailgateNut]

So wait a gay guy is making this claim during the elections against a preacher whos against gay activity yet you want to hang him on the spot. Are you not one of the ones whos against us doing the same type of thing to suspected terrorists. What about this American citizens right to a fair/speedy trail before being found guilty???


Sorta reminds me of the Foley scandal. Let's see: charged with the protection of the pages, but...........!
BTW: what happened to THAT INVESTIGATION. I should look under the republican rug!

[TheDave]

I understand the current disposition of this "story/ claim". Just tossin' it out there for the wolves!

I saw this guy on some TV show about relegion and politics... I have to admit my slime meter was pegged.

[alkemical]

my fave quote:

"I did not have a homosexual relationship with a man in Denver," said Haggard. "I am steady with my wife. I'm faithful to my wife."

[Hotrod]

Sorta reminds me of the Foley scandal. Let's see: charged with the protection of the pages, but...........!
BTW: what happened to THAT INVESTIGATION. I should look under the republican rug!

Where else would it be???

[defenseman]

I understand the current disposition of this "story/ claim". Just tossin' it out there for the wolves!

Similar tactic used in Las Vegas and a repub out there. Allegations and claims, no evidence. Interesting..dman

To be honest, your post appears alot more believable than the one in Vegas. The guy in denver answered the questions in an odd way to be honest...but we'll see..

[TailgateNut]

Are you saying :worthless ? How Gay!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Allegations and claims, no evidence. .

If it's just an allegation, then why would he quit?

I know your job is to cover this guy's flank, but c'mon!


Key Evangelical quits amid gay sex claim


By CATHERINE TSAI, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 17 minutes ago

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The leader of the influential National Association of Evangelicals, a vocal opponent of the drive for same-sex marriage, resigned Thursday after being accused of paying for sex with a man.

The Rev. Ted Haggard also stepped aside as head of his 14,000-member New Life Church while a church panel investigates, saying he could "not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations."

The investigation came after a 49-year-old man told a Denver radio station that Haggard paid him to have sex.

Haggard, a married father of five, denied the allegations in an interview with KUSA-TV late Wednesday: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I'm steady with my wife, I'm faithful to my wife."

In a written statement, Haggard said: "I am voluntarily stepping aside from leadership so that the overseer process can be allowed to proceed with integrity. I hope to be able to discuss this matter in more detail at a later date. In the interim, I will seek both spiritual advice and guidance."

Mike Jones, 49, told The Associated Press that Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month for three years. His allegations were first aired on KHOW-AM in Denver.

Jones said that he had advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and that a man who called himself Art contacted him. Jones said he later saw the man on television identified as Haggard.

He said that he last had sex with Haggard in August and that he did not warn him before making his allegations this week.

Jones said he has voice mail messages from Haggard, as well as an envelope he said Haggard used to mail him cash, though he declined to make any of it available to the AP.

"There's some stuff on there (the voice mails) that's pretty damning," he said.

Richard Cizik, vice president for government affairs for the evangelicals association, expressed shock.

"Is this something I can imagine of Ted Haggard? No," he said.

Carolyn Haggard, spokeswoman for the New Life Church, said a four-member church panel will investigate the allegations. She did not identify the board members.

"This is really routine when any sort of situation like this arises, so we're prepared," she said. "The church is going to continue to serve and be welcoming to our community. That's a priority."

___

Associated Press writer Dan Elliott in Denver contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061102/ap_on_re_us/haggard_sex_allegations

[TheDave]

Just saw this story on the news... Looks like there is alot more to this than the man-whore's allegation. Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out. My wife said that this preacher was on some "evangelical council" that made recomendations to the white house... Not sure if that is true or not though.

[Spider]

well this explains why Errand hasnt been posting ........ poor guy is busy ;D

[SteveTensi13]

Another attack on Christianity. Wish the libs would go after Muslims with the same fervor. Not gonna happen. Libs and Muslims are in bed with eachother to bring down Christianity.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Another attack on Christianity. Wish the libs would go after Muslims with the same fervor. Not gonna happen. Libs and Muslims are in bed with eachother to bring down Christianity.

Another failed spin job by a pro-evangelical/anti-gay hypocrite who can't find a way to defend an evangelical who pays for gay sex.

:rofl:

[SteveTensi13]

Another failed spin job by a pro-evangelical/anti-gay hypocrite who can't find a way to defend an evangelical who pays for gay sex.

:rofl:

And you have evidence of this of course? Heck, even the guy making the claim can't provide the evidence.

I know you can do better than this, come on LABF your slipping, get some sun and recharge your batteries. I used to enjoy bitch slapping you via internet forum now its like picking on the school retard, it just isn't fun anymore!

[TheDave]

And you have evidence of this of course? Heck, even the guy making the claim can't provide the evidence.

I know you can do better than this, come on LABF your slipping, get some sun and recharge your batteries. I used to enjoy b**** slapping you via internet forum now its like picking on the school retard, it just isn't fun anymore!

Like I said Bundy, I saw the local news on this and there is something to it. As D-Man would say we need to see all the facts, but according that nosey pain in the a$$ Paula Woodward this is legit.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And you have evidence of this of course? Heck, even the guy making the claim can't provide the evidence.

If the allegations are false, then why would the guy quit?

I know you can do better than this, come on LABF your slipping, get some sun and recharge your batteries. I used to enjoy b**** slapping you via internet forum now its like picking on the school retard, it just isn't fun anymore!

ROFL!

This from a logically-challenged bozo who just tried to characterize a news story about an evangelical leader who resigned amidst allegations of gay sex as "an attack on Christianity?"

You are a funny little man. :D

[SteveTensi13]

Like I said Bundy, I saw the local news on this and there is something to it. As D-Man would say we need to see all the facts, but according that nosey pain in the a$$ Paula Woodward this is legit.

Fine. Once I see indisputable evidence then I say the guy should be excommunicated. But according to LABF the guy is already guilty without evidence.

Believe me, I don't like evangelical preachers such as Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggert and Orel Roberts, that idiot who said God was going to call him "home" if his flock didn't raise 6 million dollars for a TV transmitter and a whole host of other fakes using the church and God for their own profit.

[TheDave]

Fine. Once I see indisputable evidence then I say the guy should be excommunicated. But according to LABF the guy is already guilty without evidence.

Believe me, I don't like evangelical preachers such as Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggert and Orel Roberts, that idiot who said God was going to call him "home" if his flock didn't raise 6 million dollars for a TV transmitter and a whole host of other fakes using the church and God for their own profit.

I agree, right now we have the word of a man-whore and a VERY nosy reporter... not sure if there is fire, but there is a hell of a lot of smoke.

PS- If this is true expect me to engage in VERY LONG winded rant on hypocrisy and the tax exempt status of religion ;D

[spdirty]

Join Church of Christ. We don't have any of that shlt.

Wish these guys would go this damn hard after the Watchtower instead of my political (though not religeous) allies.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

But according to LABF the guy is already guilty without evidence.



Always the lying spin monkey, aren't you?

I asked you a simple question:

If there's nothing to the allegations, then why did he resign?

[ClevelandBronco]

If there's nothing to the allegations, then why did he resign?

That's an unanswerable question.

In my opinion, no Christian here is in a position to support Rev. Haggard's version of the events (or non-events, as the case may be.) We just can't know anything at this point, except that all people are capable of falling to the temptation of sin.

There's just nothing for Christians to argue yet. If the allegations are proven, then they show what we already know to be true: That all fall short of the glory of God.

On the other hand, if they're false (or unproven, which isn't necessarily the same thing as false), then maybe we'll have something to talk about.

You guys can kick this one around amongst yourselves for a while until we know more.

[baja]

That's an unanswerable question.

In my opinion, no Christian here is in a position to support Rev. Haggard's version of the events (or non-events, as the case may be.) We just can't know anything at this point, except that all people are capable of falling to the temptation of sin.

There's just nothing for Christians to argue yet. If the allegations are proven, then they show what we already know to be true: That all fall short of the glory of God.

On the other hand, if they're false (or unproven, which isn't necessarily the same thing as false), then maybe we'll have something to talk about.

You guys can kick this one around amongst yourselves for a while until we know more.

Conveniently noble too bad you did not apply the same christian rational to the meaning behind Kerry's statement. A little disingenuous of you wouldn't you say.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

That's an unanswerable question.

In my opinion, no Christian here is in a position to support Rev. Haggard's version of the events (or non-events, as the case may be.) We just can't know anything at this point, except that all people are capable of falling to the temptation of sin.

There's just nothing for Christians to argue yet. If the allegations are proven, then they show what we already know to be true: That all fall short of the glory of God.

On the other hand, if they're false (or unproven, which isn't necessarily the same thing as false), then maybe we'll have something to talk about.

You guys can kick this one around amongst yourselves for a while until we know more.
LOL

Since when did this become the code of conduct for "Christians"?

From what I've seen most haven't gotten that memo yet.

[Spider]

That's an unanswerable question.

In my opinion, no Christian here is in a position to support Rev. Haggard's version of the events (or non-events, as the case may be.) We just can't know anything at this point, except that all people are capable of falling to the temptation of sin.

There's just nothing for Christians to argue yet. If the allegations are proven, then they show what we already know to be true: That all fall short of the glory of God.

On the other hand, if they're false (or unproven, which isn't necessarily the same thing as false), then maybe we'll have something to talk about.

You guys can kick this one around amongst yourselves for a while until we know more.

Not anymore .............http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/4557411.html
Church Leader Says Haggard Admits To Some Indiscretions
Interim Senior Pastor Says Haggard Admits Indiscretions -- Raw Interview
Ted Haggard Accused
Colorado Springs
Updated: 12:26 AM Nov 3, 2006
11 News

A sudden about-face in the scandal facing New Life Church's pastor.

After Pastor Ted Haggard went public Wednesday night denying allegations of a homosexual affair, senior church officials told KKTV 11News Thursday evening, Pastor Ted Haggard has admitted to some of the claims made by a former male escort. The church's Acting Senior Pastor, Ross Parsley, tells KKTV 11 News that Pastor Haggard has admitted to some of the indiscretions claimed by Mike Jones, but not all of them.

Thursday morning, Jones went on a Denver radio talk show and said Pastor Haggard paid him for sex over the past 3 years. Jones also claims Haggard used drugs with him.

Right now, the situation is under investigation by an independent panel of leaders from four outside churches. The leaders are from Colorado Springs, Larkspur, Westminster and Louisiana. The panel's role is to decide if Haggard will be exonerated, released from his duties or restored to his pastorship.

Earlier Thursday, Haggard resigned as President of the National Association of Evangelicals, and placed himself on administrative leave as head of New Life Church. New Life Church has an estimated 14,000 members, while the NAE claims roughly 30 million members.

[alkemical]

Even the devil goes to church.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Just another creepy preacher exposed! I know D-man's response; "it's just a claim"! We need to pull the tax excempt status of all churches immediately!





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that's a completely illogical statement. what does a church's tax exempt status have to do with the personal behavior of any given church member? answer: nothing. if you want to make an argument for yanking tax exempt status of any or all churches, then go ahead but linking it to this story ain't gonna hold water.

nothing really surprises me nowadays and the guy did the right thing in stepping down. but try to separate his teachings from his actions because one doesn't necessarily effect the other. heck, even Judas was teaching just like the rest of the Apostles right up until he stabbed Jesus in the back. does this mean his teachings up until that point were wrong? No. As a Roman Catholic, i've had the displeasure of seeing this kind of thing in my Church but not once would I, as a rational person, deny the teachings of the Church despite the actions of some flat out evil people. Like one really wise Bishop once said, 'You think you can take down Christ's church? Our own priests, bishops and popes have been trying for 2000 years and have failed.'

the church is a hospital for souls, not some ivory tower where only those who have it all together can go. pray for the guy and we move on. those of you who claim 'that stuff doesn't go on in our church' are only setting yourself up to be proven wrong. as long as there is a human element to the Church, there will be stuff like this in every division and sect.

[ClevelandBronco]

LOL

Since when did this become the code of conduct for "Christians"?

It's been in place for just about 2,000 years now.

[alkemical]

Uhm, if a person is paid by the church and they are using to snort coke of a manwhore's ass - i'd say it's a good idea to pull the tax status.

[ClevelandBronco]

Conveniently noble too bad you did not apply the same christian rational to the meaning behind Kerry's statement. A little disingenuous of you wouldn't you say.

I have no idea what the heck you're talking about.

I would say it's too early for tequila.

[-Slap-]

I doubt this guy was a Republican because his boyfriend was past the age of consent.

[alkemical]

aayyyyy ohhhhhhhhh

[elsid13]

Who say God, doesn't have a sense of sarcastic humor???

Maybe there is lesson in all this, don't act better then next guy. The key is being humble and non judgemental.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It's been in place for just about 2,000 years now.
:rofl:

I'm telling you the religious right and a LOT of Republicans didn't get this memo.

I doubt this guy was a Republican because his boyfriend was past the age of consent.
Hilarious!

[TailgateNut]

that's a completely illogical statement. what does a church's tax exempt status have to do with the personal behavior of any given church member? answer: nothing. if you want to make an argument for yanking tax exempt status of any or all churches, then go ahead but linking it to this story ain't gonna hold water.

nothing really surprises me nowadays and the guy did the right thing in stepping down. but try to separate his teachings from his actions because one doesn't necessarily effect the other. heck, even Judas was teaching just like the rest of the Apostles right up until he stabbed Jesus in the back. does this mean his teachings up until that point were wrong? No. As a Roman Catholic, i've had the displeasure of seeing this kind of thing in my Church but not once would I, as a rational person, deny the teachings of the Church despite the actions of some flat out evil people. Like one really wise Bishop once said, 'You think you can take down Christ's church? Our own priests, bishops and popes have been trying for 2000 years and have failed.'

the church is a hospital for souls, not some ivory tower where only those who have it all together can go. pray for the guy and we move on. those of you who claim 'that stuff doesn't go on in our church' are only setting yourself up to be proven wrong. as long as there is a human element to the Church, there will be stuff like this in every division and sect.


BS. These churches have had tax exempt status, but are using their "voice" to influence voters. We need total separation of church and state. Any church which voices their position regarding any legislation and voter issues should have their exempt status removed permanently.

[TailgateNut]

Another attack on Christianity. Wish the libs would go after Muslims with the same fervor. Not gonna happen. Libs and Muslims are in bed with eachother to bring down Christianity.


" " I haven't heard of to many Muslims being involved/ charged with ass-pirating like we constantly hear about the upper echelon of the christian churches. It's as if it's a requirement to become a preacher. We should ask Dbrule if it's part of the curriculum at his seminary!

[alkemical]

Insert rectory joke here.

[Falconer]

Uhm, if a person is paid by the church and they are using to snort coke of a manwhore's ass - i'd say it's a good idea to pull the tax status.

According to the logic that if someone does something illegal who works for a tax exempt entity then you lose tax exempt status, there would be no more tax exempt entities left. Believe it or not, if an organization is around long enough, someone is bound to break the law who works for it.

[Falconer]

:rofl:

I'm telling you the religious right and a LOT of Republicans didn't get this memo.


Hilarious!

Who exactly are the religious right? I mean I am a fundimentalist Christian, but I have yet to receive any newsletters inviting me to the religious right's meetings. By the way, I think most of the individuals I know have seen the memo.

[TheDave]

I realize I'm a bad person for this, but i just can't express how much joy i am getting out of this.... I saw this prick-bastard on TV last year. Absolutely as smug and self -righteous as can be. This guy had no problem passing judgement on what was and wasn't sin, and what his "followers" should be doing at the voting booth. All the while he is setting up pay dates to pipe the local man-whore.

Absolutely beautiful :)

[Falconer]

BS. These churches have had tax exempt status, but are using their "voice" to influence voters. We need total separation of church and state. Any church which voices their position regarding any legislation and voter issues should have their exempt status removed permanently.

I agree with you somewhat that it is better to not have churches back certain political parties or individuals, but I think that what you propose would be too far reaching. What happens for example if the church preaches about the sanctity of life, do we yank their status because abortion is being considered in the legislature. This would be only one of many issues that would probably come up. With that kind of law, you would be effectively censoring what the church can say.

[TailgateNut]

I agree with you somewhat that it is better to not have churches back certain political parties or individuals, but I think that what you propose would be too far reaching. What happens for example if the church preaches about the sanctity of life, do we yank their status because abortion is being considered in the legislature. This would be only one of many issues that would probably come up. With that kind of law, you would be effectively censoring what the church can say.


Why should churches have carte blanche tax exempt status??? No good reason, in my book! Then the church can say and do as they please, which is the case anyway!

[DBruleU]

LOL

Since when did this become the code of conduct for "Christians"?

From what I've seen most haven't gotten that memo yet.

Do you actually know anything about christianity, or do you just hate it?

[Rohirrim]

I doubt this guy was a Republican because his boyfriend was past the age of consent.

Ouch! :rofl:

[Falconer]

Why should churches have carte blanche tax exempt status??? No good reason, in my book! Then the church can say and do as they please, which is the case anyway!

You are switching arguments here. First you say that they shouldn't have exempt status if they mention anything political and now you are saying they shouldn't have it at all.

I would think that just like so many of the other tax exempt entities that there are, the fact that the church's main income is only through donations is a very good reason.

[TailgateNut]

Do you actually know anything about christianity, or do you just hate it?


I know one requirement is to be hypocritical! I've tried to "believe" twice in my life, but found both times that the preachers and elders were the most hypocritical people I've ever met.

[DBruleU]

I know one requirement is to be hypocritical! I've tried to "believe" twice in my life, but found both times that the preachers and elders were the most hypocritical people I've ever met.

For example...?

[TailgateNut]

You are switching arguments here. First you say that they shouldn't have exempt status if they mention anything political and now you are saying they shouldn't have it at all.

I would think that just like so many of the other tax exempt entities that there are, the fact that the church's main income is only through donations is a very good reason.



Read the statement. I said "carte blanche"! If they keep their lips out of the political process OK, but they do not, and are using the "proceeds/ donations" to further their agenda!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Do you actually know anything about christianity? Only what I see on TV and read in the papers about "Christians" . :welcome:\

Who exactly are the religious right? I mean I am a fundimentalist Christian, but I have yet to receive any newsletters inviting me to the religious right's meetings. By the way, I think most of the individuals I know have seen the memo.
Judging by some members here (Tensi, Errand, Mad Yak, etc..) that call themselves "Chrisitans" and the overwhelmingly number of Republican liars, pedophiles, etc... in the news today, the "memo" hasn't quite reached everyone.

Religious right
From Wikipedia (http://tinyurl.com/y8cf2a), the free encyclopedia

The term Religious Right is a broad label applied by both scholars and critics to a number of political and religious movements and groups that primarily are active around conservative and right wing social issues.

Sometimes the term Religious Right is used interchangeably with the term Christian right, although some argue for a distinction. The Christian Right in the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom, for example, has made efforts to reach out to Orthodox Jews and Muslim social conservatives, especially in building coalitions against abortion and same-sex marriage.

Increasingly, the Christian Right and Jewish Right, especially in North America, are uniting over the issue of Israeli statehood. To quote influential American Evangelical Christian Jerry Falwell, “I have always said that America’s Bible Belt is Israel’s safety belt.” As of January 11, 2006, the Israeli tourism ministry has refused to do business with fellow Religious Right leader, Pat Robertson over comments made about then-prime minister Ariel Sharon on his television show the 700 Club. Despite this, Evangelical tourism remains an important aspect of the Israeli economy, and North American Right-Wing Christian groups continue to provide strong support for Israeli militarism.

At the United Nations level, conservative interfaith NGOs co-operate over issues of gender, reproductive and sexual health, lesbian and gay rights, family and bioethical policies. The World Congress of Families is one particularly important interfaith forum for that purpose. In the case of Muslim social conservatives, the World Congress of Families may be difficult to sustain as a forum for conservative Christian/Islamic co-belligerency, given increasing US-Iranian international tensions, the 2003 Iraq War and Israel-Palestine conflict, which means that foreign policy overshadows any shared social conservatism that might attract conservative interfaith co-operation.

[DBruleU]

Only what I see on TV and read in the papers about "Christians" . :welcome:

That's probably one of your first problems.

What do you think of Billy Graham, or his son, Franklin?

[alkemical]

According to the logic that if someone does something illegal who works for a tax exempt entity then you lose tax exempt status, there would be no more tax exempt entities left. Believe it or not, if an organization is around long enough, someone is bound to break the law who works for it.


What good is it when the money, that's tax free is going to pay for hookers and drugs?

Well, i guess i can't think of a better way to heaven......

[Falconer]

I know one requirement is to be hypocritical! I've tried to "believe" twice in my life, but found both times that the preachers and elders were the most hypocritical people I've ever met.

Nice blanket statement there TailgateNut. I am pleased to find out that I am hypocritical this morning. Let's use that logic on something else. A person could say that they have watched five Bronco games and they have lost every time they watched, so the Broncos must be losers.

It could also be the fact that most people do sin. Therefore, everyone is going to be hypocritical at one time or another. There is also the fact that since you might have believed that they were supposed to be "better" than other people and so when they made a mistake it was all that much more glaring to your perception.

[TailgateNut]

For example...?



When I was a teen, the preacher of the church I attended, attempted to "be a bit to nice to me" while giving me a ride home. Luckily we were at a railroad crossing with the guard lowered, and I jumped out of the car, never to return.
Then after my divorce, I met someone who I intended to marry. She was a very religious person who had attended a particular church for years. As we were going to marriage counseling the preacher told us it would be advisable not to attend his church because we were co-habitating. What an ass-clown. We were both single parents attempting to re-build stable homes for our children, but I guess that's not as important as the "godless life we were living".

[Falconer]

What good is it when the money, that's tax free is going to pay for hookers and drugs?

Well, i guess i can't think of a better way to heaven......

I would say that it isn't good. However, I think you are making a mistake in your logic. The money paid to employees of the church is taxed. So in essence, it is no more wrong than when any other individual uses money for illegal purposes.

I also believe that while you should try to be wise with finding a church that you feel will act in a responsible manner, you are not held accountable if those tithes are improperly used.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

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The Christian right is a term collectively referring to a spectrum of right-wing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics) Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian) political (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political) and social movements and organizations characterized by their strong support of social values they deem in line with Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian) values in western countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world). Furthermore, many Christian Right organisations from the Anglosphere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglosphere) use discourse, tactics and strategies from the United States Christian Right in their own contexts, leading their feminist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism), gay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay) and social liberal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism) opponents to foster their own global networking in retaliation. The terms Christian Right and Religious Right (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Right) are sometimes used interchangeably, although this is problematic.

The term Christian Right has been criticized as pejorative by leaders of conservative Christian groups, along with phrases such as theocrat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocrat) and religious extremist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_extremist). Some writers characterize these terms as representing Christianophobia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianophobia), while some writers such as American journalist Kevin Phillips, feel the terms accurately describe the movement. The tendency of some critics of the Christian Right to use the terms Christian fundamentalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_fundamentalist) or evangelical as if these terms were equivalent is seen as problematic by a wide range of commentators. Others have suggested that "Christian right" may be preferable to "Christian Right," insofar as the latter implies a higher degree of unity than the movement actually displays.
At the same time, fundamentalists across several religions often share with the Christian Right certain positions on specific issues such as women's and gay rights, separation of religion and government, and opposition to changing moral standards. So even though many leaders of the Christian Right are outspoken critics of radical Islam, conservative Christians, Muslim social conservatives, and Orthodox Jews sometimes cooperate in national and international projects, especially through the World Congress of Families (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_Congress_of_Families&action=edit) and United Nations NGO gatherings.
The term is complicated by the appropriation of "Christian" by members of the evangelical-doctrine churches for their particular brand of Christianity.
Used in another sense, "Christian Right" may describe a more benign association of individuals from a wide variety of theological beliefs, ranging from moderately traditional movements within Lutheranism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheranism) and Catholicism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism) to theologically more conservative movements such as Evangelicalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism), Pentecostalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism) and Fundamentalist Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Christianity).



CONT (http://tinyurl.com/ca3qx)

[Mile High Shack]

this is why it's so hard to be a christian now days

you have idiots like this who people assume are the role models for real christians...when in fact, they are just plain ole bad people

[alkemical]

I would say that it isn't good. However, I think you are making a mistake in your logic. The money paid to employees of the church is taxed. So in essence, it is no more wrong than when any other individual uses money for illegal purposes.

I also believe that while you should try to be wise with finding a church that you feel will act in a responsible manner, you are not held accountable if those tithes are improperly used.


No i'm not making any mistake in logic. I see these churches that are built, i notice how much "penis" envy there is, in the bigger the church the more god loves you. IMO the tax exempt status is a very scary thing with religion.

I mean are you OK with scientology being tax exempt? Or The Order of The Golden Dawn?


Not to mention - you are responsible if your money is used improperly. You provided the means to that particular end. Alot of times, i think that today's "churches" really forget where and what church really is. I guess it's more or less reflective of society as a whole.

[alkemical]

this is why it's so hard to be a christian now days

you have idiots like this who people assume are the role models for real christians...when in fact, they are just plain ole bad people

Isn't that how it is for politics and other hot button issues MHS?

[Rohirrim]

IMHO, Christianity is nothing more than the result of far lesser people (Paul, Constantine, etc. etc.) appropriating the life of Jesus for their own purposes and now we are left with the product of a two millenia evolution of that original theft. It has as much to do with Jesus as fish have to do with bicycles.

[Hotrod]

I doubt this guy was a Republican because his boyfriend was past the age of consent.

LOL

As far as tax exempt the church should still receive it as long as this dude is let go ASAP

[TheDave]

LOL

As far as tax exempt the church should still receive it as long as this dude is let go ASAP

How many of these relegious frauds does it take for people to want change? Anyone want to take bets on wether this hurts "attendence" at this church? My guess is the collection plate will be just as full.

[TailgateNut]

LOL

As far as tax exempt the church should still receive it as long as this dude is let go ASAP


How about the Catholic church which has condoned and sheltered their pedophilic priests for decades???

I'd like tax exempt status for the church of Tailgating. We have a sunday practice and all of the goods are donated!

[baja]

How many of these relegious frauds does it take for people to want change? Anyone want to take bets on wether this hurts "attendence" at this church?<b> My guess is the collection plate will be just as full.</b>

As will the voice mail of the escort.

[TheDave]

How about the Catholic church which has condoned and sheltered their pedophilic priests for decades???

I'd like tax exempt status for the church of Tailgating. We have a sunday practice and all of the goods are donated!

I was thinking of starting Church of TheDave... But tailgating church is one i could get behind (pun intended)

[BroncoInferno]

What do you think of Billy Graham, or his son, Franklin?

I'm OK with Billy, he seems to have mellowed in his old age. Franklin is starting to border on Pat Robertson territory. Don't care much for him.

[TheDave]

</b>

As will the voice mail of the escort.

but from the looks of it his wallet will suffer...

[TailgateNut]

Well, well, well.......just listen to this:




http://wm.kusa.gannett.edgestreams.net/news/1162580559552-11-03-06-haggard-interview-.wmv


yeah, righto.....I just bought it, then I threw it awayROFL!
I just met him to get a massageROFL!

[Falconer]

Continued from post #53...

-------------------------------------------------
The Christian right is a term collectively referring to a spectrum of right-wing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics) Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian) political (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political) and social movements and organizations characterized by their strong support of social values they deem in line with Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian) values in western countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world). Furthermore, many Christian Right organisations from the Anglosphere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglosphere) use discourse, tactics and strategies from the United States Christian Right in their own contexts, leading their feminist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism), gay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay) and social liberal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism) opponents to foster their own global networking in retaliation. The terms Christian Right and Religious Right (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Right) are sometimes used interchangeably, although this is problematic.

The term Christian Right has been criticized as pejorative by leaders of conservative Christian groups, along with phrases such as theocrat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocrat) and religious extremist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_extremist). Some writers characterize these terms as representing Christianophobia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianophobia), while some writers such as American journalist Kevin Phillips, feel the terms accurately describe the movement. The tendency of some critics of the Christian Right to use the terms Christian fundamentalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_fundamentalist) or evangelical as if these terms were equivalent is seen as problematic by a wide range of commentators. Others have suggested that "Christian right" may be preferable to "Christian Right," insofar as the latter implies a higher degree of unity than the movement actually displays.
At the same time, fundamentalists across several religions often share with the Christian Right certain positions on specific issues such as women's and gay rights, separation of religion and government, and opposition to changing moral standards. So even though many leaders of the Christian Right are outspoken critics of radical Islam, conservative Christians, Muslim social conservatives, and Orthodox Jews sometimes cooperate in national and international projects, especially through the World Congress of Families (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_Congress_of_Families&action=edit) and United Nations NGO gatherings.
The term is complicated by the appropriation of "Christian" by members of the evangelical-doctrine churches for their particular brand of Christianity.
Used in another sense, "Christian Right" may describe a more benign association of individuals from a wide variety of theological beliefs, ranging from moderately traditional movements within Lutheranism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheranism) and Catholicism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism) to theologically more conservative movements such as Evangelicalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism), Pentecostalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism) and Fundamentalist Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Christianity).



CONT (http://tinyurl.com/ca3qx)

Thank you for providing the definition. Upon reading the entire definition, I guess I am definately in the religious right; right along with a lot of other individuals. So according to you I did not get the memo, even though I feel I did. Why paint everyone with such a broad brush?

[TailgateNut]

Just heard one of the VM recordings from the manwhores phone. The Preacher is placing an order for a bit ($100 to $200) of Meth.
Typical "do as I say not as I do"!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

"I didn't inhale...."

Evangelist admits meth, massage, no sex

By CATHERINE TSAI, Associated Press Writer 8 minutes ago

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - Evangelist Ted Haggard admitted Friday that he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a gay prostitute who claims he was paid for drug-fueled trysts by the outspoken gay marriage opponent.
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Haggard resigned Thursday as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and stepped down as leader of his Colorado megachurch while the two groups investigate the allegations.

Talking to reporters outside his house Friday, Haggard denied the sex allegations but said that he did buy meth from the man because he was curious.

"I bought it for myself but never used it," he said. "I was tempted, but I never used it."

Haggard, a married father of five, said he never had sex with Mike Jones, a 49-year-old male prostitute who sparked the scandal when he told a radio station he had had a three-year sexual relationship with the minister. He said he did get a massage from Jones after being referred to him by a Denver hotel.

Haggard resigned as president of the 30 million-member association Thursday and stepped down as the leader of the New Life Church pending investigations into Jones' claims.

The executive committee of the National Association of Evangelicals, which claims 30 million members, planned a conference call Friday and said it would release a statement afterward.

The acting pastor of Haggard's New Life Church, Ross Parsley, told congregants in an e-mail that the church's four-member board of overseers had met with Haggard on Thursday.

"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true. He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation," the e-mail stated.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061103/ap_on_re_us/haggard_sex_allegations

[TheDave]

So he went to a man-whore for some "ice" and a "rub down"... awesome...just awesome

[Falconer]

No i'm not making any mistake in logic. I see these churches that are built, i notice how much "penis" envy there is, in the bigger the church the more god loves you. IMO the tax exempt status is a very scary thing with religion.

I mean are you OK with scientology being tax exempt? Or The Order of The Golden Dawn?


Not to mention - you are responsible if your money is used improperly. You provided the means to that particular end. Alot of times, i think that today's "churches" really forget where and what church really is. I guess it's more or less reflective of society as a whole.

I politely disagree with you. Again you look at things from the surface, and have no idea about what really might be going on. For example our church is building on to our building. We already have four services on Saturday's and Sunday's to accommodate everyone who wishes to attend. In order to be able to reach more people the most effective tool is to have a larger building. However, according to you we have "penis envy." You couldn't be mistaken could you?

I am ok with all religions having a tax exempt status.

Holy crap I am responsible for a lot of things then. I am sure that I have provided money for Enron, WorldCom, Exxon, Tyco, ect. I also have given to the Red Cross, Salvation Army, and others I am sure that have had some scandals. Heck, they should lock me up and throw away the key. I mean no disrespect by this, and this is just an attempt at humor. The fact is that there is no way that you can know where your money might end up all the time. I earlier stated that you attempt to be as wise in your choices as possible, but there is no guarantee that everything will happen the way you thought it would.

[Falconer]

How many of these relegious frauds does it take for people to want change? Anyone want to take bets on wether this hurts "attendence" at this church? My guess is the collection plate will be just as full.

What change do you want exactly? Ending the tax exempt status for churches; what exactly would that accomplish? Would the pastor not have committed these acts if the church was not tax exempt?

As far as if the church will be just as full of people, I would guess that would depend on if people feel that the remaining leadership is trustworthy. I don't think that one man's actions necessarily make a whole organization corrupt. If this was the standard then there wouldn't be any organizations on the face of the earth, tax exempt or not.

[TailgateNut]

Some people just don't get it. I think the major problem with the religious right is their "better than the rest attitude" they attempt to portray, when in many instances their closet contains more skeletons than the heathens of the world.

[alkemical]

So he went to a man-whore for some "ice" and a "rub down"... awesome...just awesome

I don't remember seeing:

"Happy Endings on Meth from a manwhore will resultuth in everlasting damnation" in the bible...

;)

j/k

[TailgateNut]

What change do you want exactly? Ending the tax exempt status for churches; what exactly would that accomplish? Would the pastor not have committed these acts if the church was not tax exempt?

As far as if the church will be just as full of people, I would guess that would depend on if people feel that the remaining leadership is trustworthy. I don't think that one man's actions necessarily make a whole organization corrupt. If this was the standard then there wouldn't be any organizations on the face of the earth, tax exempt or not.


That's not the point! This "preacher" and many others have affected the mindset of how many people will vote come Tuesday???
They do not deserve Tax Exempt status "PERIOD".

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Thank you for providing the definition. Upon reading the entire definition, I guess I am definately in the religious right; right along with a lot of other individuals. So according to you I did not get the memo, even though I feel I did. Why paint everyone with such a broad brush?If, you consider yourself part of the religious right who lie, practice sex with minors, agree with illegally spying on Americans, agree with torturing humans, agree with holding humans indefinitely without any contact to other humans or legal recourse and never charging them with a crime, money laundering, criminal conspiracy, etc.. and the general criminal activities that dominates the religious right and Republicans these days then yeah, you didn't get the memo either.

[alkemical]

I politely disagree with you. Again you look at things from the surface, and have no idea about what really might be going on. For example our church is building on to our building. We already have four services on Saturday's and Sunday's to accommodate everyone who wishes to attend. In order to be able to reach more people the most effective tool is to have a larger building. However, according to you we have "penis envy." You couldn't be mistaken could you?

I am ok with all religions having a tax exempt status.

Holy crap I am responsible for a lot of things then. I am sure that I have provided money for Enron, WorldCom, Exxon, Tyco, ect. I also have given to the Red Cross, Salvation Army, and others I am sure that have had some scandals. Heck, they should lock me up and throw away the key. I mean no disrespect by this, and this is just an attempt at humor. The fact is that there is no way that you can know where your money might end up all the time. I earlier stated that you attempt to be as wise in your choices as possible, but there is no guarantee that everything will happen the way you thought it would.



See i believe that religious institutions should not have any tax exempt status. If so, i believe yearly audits on it should be mandetory. I also feel that no money from a 'religious institution' should be allowed for any political campaign.

Also my "penis envy" comment, i direct that towards how the bible basically tells you church is where you pray. I think that by building a bigger church, you build in a set of demands to keep donations at a current rate. You will have to pay to keep this up and running. Look it's good your church has to have all this room for all of your followers, but really - i think it's sort of tower of bablish.....

you are responsible where you spend your money and how it's used. end of story. As a consumer the #1 power you have is how and where you spend your money. Quick example: People say buy american, but what happens when toyota is american and GM isn't?

sort of a quandry there isn't it.....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If, you consider yourself part of the religious right who lie, practice sex with minors, agree with illegally spying on Americans, agree with torturing humans, agree with holding humans indefinitely without any contact to other humans or legal recourse and never charging them with a crime, money laundering, criminal conspiracy, etc.. and the general criminal activities that dominates the religious right and Republicans these days then yeah, you didn't get the memo either.

^5

[TheDave]

What change do you want exactly? Ending the tax exempt status for churches; what exactly would that accomplish? Would the pastor not have committed these acts if the church was not tax exempt?

As far as if the church will be just as full of people, I would guess that would depend on if people feel that the remaining leadership is trustworthy. I don't think that one man's actions necessarily make a whole organization corrupt. If this was the standard then there wouldn't be any organizations on the face of the earth, tax exempt or not.

I've been for pulling religions tax exemption forever. I got into a long discussion about this with footsteps and he brought alot of valid points to the discussion... but in the end i still think we need to COMPLETELY separate church from the gov't... Just my opinion.

As for would it have changed this "preachers" actions probably not... but with less cash on hand...who knows.

My comment was in regards to organized religion in general how many ****ty things have to happen before people step back and question what their religious leaders are telling them. You got the Catholics playing hide a pedophile for decades but everything one hears in church is still the "word of god"

Christian preachers are always telling us that homosexuality is a sin and that gay marriage will be the downfall of society... Yet the same guy saying this is going to a "man-whore" to get what he needs. Maybe, just maybe, if the top guy in the church can't stay clean there is a problem with the overall message.

Muslims are routinely strapping on bombs and killing innocent civilians because of the word of their clerics and religious icons. Now of course everyone here sees what is wrong with that, unfortunately they don't. Because their god told them it was OK.

Is anyone ever going to wake up and realize that their might be an inherent danger in pretending to know what "God" wants... Maybe we should all take a step down from our perceived moral high horse and just do the best we can with what we got and stop trying to force other people to see things our way.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Here's the latest from this religious leader of 30 million Americans...

-------------------------------------------------
Evangelist admits meth, massage, no sex
By CATHERINE TSAI, Associated Press Writer 53 minutes ago

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - Evangelist Ted Haggard admitted Friday that he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a gay prostitute who claims he was paid for drug-fueled trysts by the outspoken gay marriage opponent.

Haggard resigned Thursday as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and stepped down as leader of his Colorado megachurch while the two groups investigate the allegations.

Talking to reporters outside his house Friday, Haggard denied the sex allegations but said that he did buy meth from the man because he was curious.

"I bought it for myself but never used it," he said. "I was tempted, but I never used it."

Haggard, a married father of five, said he never had sex with Mike Jones, a 49-year-old male prostitute who sparked the scandal when he told a radio station he had had a three-year sexual relationship with the minister. He said he did get a massage from Jones after being referred to him by a Denver hotel.

Haggard resigned as president of the 30 million-member association Thursday and stepped down as the leader of the New Life Church pending investigations into Jones' claims.

The executive committee of the National Association of Evangelicals, which claims 30 million members, planned a conference call Friday and said it would release a statement afterward.

The acting pastor of Haggard's New Life Church, Ross Parsley, told congregants in an e-mail that the church's four-member board of overseers had met with Haggard on Thursday.

"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true. He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation," the e-mail stated.
CONT (http://tinyurl.com/yludql)

[baja]

Bet it, he got yum yum.

[bendog]

Insert rectory joke here.

But Father, must you put it in my rectory?

Yes, my son, God demands an offering.

[Falconer]

If, you consider yourself part of the religious right who lie, practice sex with minors, agree with illegally spying on Americans, agree with torturing humans, agree with holding humans indefinitely without any contact to other humans or legal recourse and never charging them with a crime, money laundering, criminal conspiracy, etc.. and the general criminal activities that dominates the religious right and Republicans these days then yeah, you didn't get the memo either.

Hmm. I don't remember that you made any distinction like this the first time that you posted about the religious right.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco
It's been in place for just about 2,000 years now.



I'm telling you the religious right and a LOT of Republicans didn't get this memo.

Oh that's right you didn't. Now you spin it to try to make light of me. Nice, real nice.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Hmm. I don't remember that you made any distinction like this the first time that you posted about the religious right.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco
It's been in place for just about 2,000 years now.
I'm telling you the religious right and a LOT of Republicans didn't get this memo.
Oh that's right you didn't. Now you spin it to try to make light of me. Nice, real nice.
Hardly, I told you if the shoe fits then wear it considering you said you were ignorant of what the religious right even was.

But my post was pretty self explanatory, we're talking about DC and the religious nutjobs around the country who influence policy in the WH and Congress, and Republicans who jumped on this band wagon.

[Spider]

I have kept my big mouth shut on this ( I know about time ;D)
I dont want to kick em while they are down ..... It was better when the right had moral high ground and we could dig up dirt ........
Now it isnt fun and feels like piling on ..........
In a`way the religious folk should be happy , weeding out the bad so a few years down the road you guys can get snooty again ;D

[Falconer]

Hardly, I told you if the shoe fits then wear it considering you said you were ignorant of what the religious right even was.

But my post was pretty self explanatory, we're talking about DC and the religious nutjobs around the country who influence policy in the WH and Congress, and Republicans who jumped on this band wagon.

Whatever, I should know better to even discuss this subject with you. If you really think that I have never heard of the religious right I have a bridge to sell you. What I was trying to do was make the point that painting a group of people with such a broad brush is ignorant.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Whatever, I should know better to even discuss this subject with you. If you really think that I have never heard of the religious right I have a bridge to sell you. What I was trying to do was make the point that painting a group of people with such a broad brush is ignorant.

Let's try this again.

The term Religious Right is a broad label applied by both scholars and critics to a number of political and religious movements and groups that primarily are active around conservative and right wing social issues.

The religious right (in general) agrees with all the things in the post that I made earlier. Do you agree with those things also?

[-Slap-]

Man, it gets better and better.

"Okay, we did some meth and I blew him, but that was all that happened!!!!!"

[baja]

I never heard the word "Yum Yum" before and I bought the meth to do my little part to keep some off the streets

[-Slap-]

Man, that meth is the worst **** out there. I stopped at a light today and this meth addict stumbled up to my car. I can't even describe how awful she looked. She must have had about a dozen sores on her face from all the scratching they do. She motioned to me that she was hungry. Usually when someone looks that wretched, I'll pull out a buck or two, but I didn't even want to get close enough to her to hand her the money.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I dont want to kick em while they are down ..... It was better when the right had moral high ground and we could dig up dirt ........
Now it isnt fun and feels like piling on ..........


Dude:

We have to make sure they don't get up again.

Otherwise the bush crime family will most certainly be back to fight another day.

I don't think America can survive another admin like the current one.

[Falconer]

Let's try this again.



The religious right (in general) agrees with all the things in the post that I made earlier. Do you agree with those things also?

Slug,
I really think we would probably get along a lot better without the interference of this board. I really do not believe in many generalities, and that is part of our disagreement. If your post above is referring to the list of objectionable tactics listed above, then no I do not believe in those things and I do not know many individuals who do.

At the same time I think that if people only knew of my religious affiliation and the beliefs that I hold dear, then I think that they would quickly put me in the religious right camp. That is the reason that I do not like speaking in generalities. I know that there are many times that generalities are the easiest and most constructive way to frame things.

[W*GS]

Are evangelicals creepy by definition?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Quotes

"You can expect to learn as much about the Catholic Church from Nacho Libre as you can learn about evangelicalism from Jesus Camp. This movie manipulates facts like a Michael Moore film."

- Ted Haggard, between blowjobs with some dude

http://www.bartcop.com/ted-haggard.jpg
"I manipulate zippers."

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Slug,
I really think we would probably get along a lot better without the interference of this board. I really do not believe in many generalities, and that is part of our disagreement. If your post above is referring to the list of objectionable tactics listed above, then no I do not believe in those things and I do not know many individuals who do.

At the same time I think that if people only knew of my religious affiliation and the beliefs that I hold dear, then I think that they would quickly put me in the religious right camp. That is the reason that I do not like speaking in generalities. I know that there are many times that generalities are the easiest and most constructive way to frame things.
I'm sure we would get along fine :) And I knew from previous posts you probably don't agree with the hypocrisy exemplified these days by the Neocons and religious right. To me, the religious right does and condones exactly the things they preach as Christians that shouldn't be done (lying, committing criminal acts, torture, murder, etc...).

I would guess your definition of a Christian is NOT doing those things but to MANY Republicans, Neocons and the religious right (religious groups who use their "Christianity" to influence politics), these are acceptable behaviors, using God (their version of) as an excuse and or a tool to try and insulate themselves from an end they seek, arrived at by whatever means necessary.

Maybe I am generalizing the religious right?
But I would ask you this, what percentage of Christians in America, agree with torturing suspected criminals? I know there is no way to know exactly but I think you would find that the majority of people who do call themselves Christians find that kind behavior acceptable.
And just going by what the people on this board who call themselves Christians have said about it, it's the overwhelming majority.

I will say if there is such thing as a role model for Christians, from the very little I know about you, that a good place for them to start would be watching, listening and emulating most of your views and thoughts.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Looks like the overseers have spoken...

----------------------------------------
Evangelical leader Ted Haggard resigns
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The Rev. Ted Haggard agreed to resign Saturday after the New Life Church's independent investigative board recommended removal, saying he was guilty "of sexuallly immoral conduct."

http://tinyurl.com/ykha8o

[BroncoBuff]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38691000/jpg/_38691859_swaggart238.jpg
I have sinned against you my Lord

[TailgateNut]

Another case of "having your ding-dong and eating it too"!;D

[bendog]

Gayle Haggard’s letter, in its entirety, dated Nov. 5, 2006
Dear Women of New Life Church,

I am so sorry for the circumstances that have led me to write this letter to you today. I know your hearts are broken; mine is as well. Yet my hope rests steadfastly in the Lord who is forever faithful.

What I want you to know is that I love my husband, Ted Haggard, with all my heart. I am committed to him until death "do us part." We started this journey together and with the grace of God, we will finish together.

If I were standing before you today, I would not change one iota of what I have been teaching the women of our church. For those of you who have been concerned that my marriage was so perfect I could not possibly relate to the women who are facing great difficulties, know that this will never again be the case. My test has begun; watch me. I will try to prove myself faithful.

I love you all so much, especially you young women – you were my delight.

---
I wonder what she was teaching them? (cringing)
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5120851,00.html

[elsid13]

"I love you all so much, especially you young women – you were my delight. "

Evidently he is trysexual. He will try anything once.

[DBruleU]

"I love you all so much, especially you young women – you were my delight. "

Evidently he is trysexual. He will try anything once.

I hope you are kidding. That's what his wife said in her apology to the church.

[elsid13]

I hope you are kidding. That's what his wife said in her apology to the church.

Dude relax. I was joking, unlike some around here I actually have tolerence. And if I wasn't kidding what exactly was problem with it????

[Bronco_Beerslug]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=3298&dateline=1157484868
This is Gods Country.




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Ted Haggard, the president of the U.S. National Association of Evangelicals, is pictured in this undated photograph. Haggard, a vocal opponent of gay marriage, said on Sunday that he was guilty of 'sexual immorality' and that he had long battled with a 'repulsive' side of his life. NO SALES NO ARCHIVES (National Association of Evangelicals/Handout/Reuters)



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Disgraced evangelical leader Ted Haggard, pictured in 2004, admitted he was guilty of sexual immorality, revealing he had fought a life-long battle against "dark and repulsive" urges.(AFP/File/Robyn Beck)


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Brandy and James Raboin, members of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colo., listen at services, Sunday, Nov. 5, 2006, as a letter is read in which church founder and pastor Rev. Ted Haggard confessed to his followers that he was guilty of sexual immorality. The Overseer Board of the church fired Haggard on Saturday. (AP Photo/Helen D. Richardson/Pool)

[orangenblue2]

Yet my hope rests steadfastly in the Lord who is forever faithful.

"Unlike my unbelievably hypocritical husband who's been secretively buggering a male escort while snorting meth cocktails for roughly three years now..."

praise the lord...:pray:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"Unlike my unbelievably hypocritical husband who's been secretively buggering a male escort while snorting meth cocktails for roughly three years now..."

praise the lord...:pray:

:giggle: ^5

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Another attack on Christianity. Wish the libs would go after Muslims with the same fervor. Not gonna happen. Libs and Muslims are in bed with eachother to bring down Christianity.

Quoted for laughs. :giggle: ;D