Is there a 'magic number' for when Jake gets the boot?

[Circle Orange]

I'm wondering, since the broncs are headed on the road for awhile. Shanny's clearly not pleased, and is getting somewhat testy on the qb issue. And does it seem like he and Jake have too many 'discussions' on the sidelines? I think Shanny's itching to put Cutler in, but he's trying to figure a way to do it without fracturing the team OR wrecking the season. It may not be possible, but still...

And you gotta wonder what Jake thinks when he goes home at night. Everyone else has been run out of town since 99. Will he be next on the scratch list?

mediocre crunch plays = bus ticket

[Taco John]

The magic number is "6"

[Vegas_Bronco]

The magic number is "16" week 16 that is.

[yavoon]

42

[ClevelandBronco]

The magic number is 2007.

[yavoon]

The magic number is 2007.

wont he need some game experience before the playoffs?

[Taco John]

wont he need some game experience before the playoffs?



This is Jay Cutler we're talking about. He'll just need a quick trim to get the split ends out of his eyes, a powerbar, and a fully juiced Ipod to listen to in between plays.

[-Slap-]

Jay Cutler could outplay Jake Plummer five seconds after you roused Jay from a deep sleep.

[Orange_Beard]

1.

Shanny first heart attack.

[BlaK-Argentina]

I think if Jake has a good game this week, he will play all year no matter what. (unless we SOMEHOW lose any chance of making the playoffs)

[baja]

42

No that's the meaning of life

[baja]

If Jake plays like last week (Even though i believe cutler would do better) he will continue to play if he has a couple of bad games we might see Jay.

Wish we had a report form some of the insiders as to how jay is doing in practice. seems Dove valley is more secret than NORRAD

[BroncoFanCam]

The magic number is One.

One more loss.

[Rohirrim]

Jay Cutler could outplay Jake Plummer five seconds after you roused Jay from a deep sleep.

WITH a hangover. :thumbs:

[BroncoFanCam]

Jay Cutler could outplay Jake Plummer five seconds after you roused Jay from a deep sleep.It'd be quite a challenge wouldn't it?

Somehow, someway breaking that impossible feat of being in the top 30 Quarterbacks in the NFL.

By some miracle out-performing the 2006 Quarterbacking genius of...

Byron Leftwich, J.P. Losman, Daunte Culpepper, Brad Johnson, Steve McNair, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Bledsoe, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Frye, Matt Leinart (the 21-30th ranked QB's this season, with Ratings of 79 to 66 respectively)

Well an impossible feat for Jake anyways.

These numbers would suggest, it would be harder for Jay NOT to do better than Jake, than he would do worse than Jake.

[BroncoMatt]

haven't we been over this already?

[BroncoInferno]

Even though Jake palyed well Sunday, I think Pittsburgh will either be his D-Day or his Waterloo. If he plays poorly on the road and we lose, I think you'll probably see Cutler the next week. If he plays well and we win, I think he'll continue to play well and keep his job for the duration of the season.

[Dedhed]

5-3 is the magic number.

[ScottXray]

I don't think Jay will play unless we get to 5-4, and then only if Jake costs us the games.

Pitt is going to be desperate....we are away and they have a very good defense. Jake gets a pass if he plays poorly....Most QBs will have bad days in those conditions.

Oakland. That will be Jakes Waterloo. Jake must play well there.
If we lose to Oakland we will drop to 5-4...probably fall behind KC and be third in the division, if not tied with them in 4th. Unacceptable performance for a team that has superbowl designs. IF the loss is Jakes fault, then Cutler will start playing. He still may not start against SD. But the hook will come out if Jake turns it over.

[Bronx33]

2007

[Pezman]

Can someone take away Circle Crack Orange's new thread abilities away? Seriously...

[watermock]

The way Shanahan hates an increasingly incontinent Crazy Al, a loss to Oakland would send him off a cliff or pull the rug. Put my money on the rug.

I think the chances are better than 50/50 that Jake finishes the season if we are in playoff contention. Elimination from the playoffs you definetely will see Rocket Man.

Otherwise, it will likely be after June 1 altho spreading cap hits has been adjusted a bit. I am pretty sure he restructured, but I'm also pretty sure we would still gain cap space.

[Mile High Mojoe]

I'm wondering, since the broncs are headed on the road for awhile. Shanny's clearly not pleased, and is getting somewhat testy on the qb issue. And does it seem like he and Jake have too many 'discussions' on the sidelines? I think Shanny's itching to put Cutler in, but he's trying to figure a way to do it without fracturing the team OR wrecking the season. It may not be possible, but still...

And you gotta wonder what Jake thinks when he goes home at night. Everyone else has been run out of town since 99. Will he be next on the scratch list?

mediocre crunch plays = bus ticket

If the Broncos lose to the Steelers maybe, if they lose both to the Steelers and the Raiders it's done deal and should be.

The Steelers game should be a win, so maybe he keeps his job another week.

[watermock]

If the Broncos lose to the Steelers maybe, if they lose both to the Steelers and the Raiders it's done deal and should be.

The Steelers game should be a win, so maybe he keeps his job another week.

But, But, But...Butt they are ranked higher than us in DVOA.

[ClevelandBronco]

wont he need some game experience before the playoffs?

Playoffs?

Playoffs?

[Mile High Mojoe]

But, But, But...Butt they are ranked higher than us in DVOA.

DVOA, Ha Ha! The rankest part of being ranked is not understanding just how rank you are.

[Circle Orange]

Can someone take away Circle Crack Orange's new thread abilities away? Seriously...

Did you just call me a name? :mullet1:

[Mile High Mojoe]

Did you just call me a name? :mullet1:

You're not rank baby, you're sweet, you make me so horny with that green hair. Me love you long time...

[BMF Bronco]

You're not rank baby, you're sweet, you make me so horny with that green hair. Me love you long time...

WTF??? ??? ???

[Dedhed]

I don't think Jay will play unless we get to 5-4, and then only if Jake costs us the games.

Pitt is going to be desperate....we are away and they have a very good defense. Jake gets a pass if he plays poorly....Most QBs will have bad days in those conditions.

Oakland. That will be Jakes Waterloo. Jake must play well there.
If we lose to Oakland we will drop to 5-4...probably fall behind KC and be third in the division, if not tied with them in 4th. Unacceptable performance for a team that has superbowl designs. IF the loss is Jakes fault, then Cutler will start playing. He still may not start against SD. But the hook will come out if Jake turns it over.

Teams are desperate in the playoffs, and Pitt will be playing like a playoff team on Sunday. Jake has already proven that he can't lead this team to victory against a sure fire playoff oponent, and if he does it again I think the ride is over. I think Shanahan clearly doubts whether Jake can lead us to the promised land, and if Jake proves it two weeks in a row I think he'll look to start the future now.

BTW, you can argue that it was the defenses fault until you're blue in the face, and it doesn't change a thing. When Shanahan feels this TEAM cannot beat the teams he'll need to come December, we will change things up.

[BroncoFanCam]

Teams are desperate in the playoffs, and Pitt will be playing like a playoff team on Sunday. Jake has already proven that he can't lead this team to victory against a sure fire playoff oponent, and if he does it again I think the ride is over. I think Shanahan clearly doubts whether Jake can lead us to the promised land, and if Jake proves it two weeks in a row I think he'll look to start the future now.

BTW, you can argue that it was the defenses fault until you're blue in the face, and it doesn't change a thing. When Shanahan feels this TEAM cannot beat the teams he'll need to come December, we will change things up.I don't think it will be that hard of a decision honestly...

Shanny has already said once this year, "that a talented rookie, stepping into the right situation can win games".

Why would he have said that unless he has seriously scaled back the offense the last two years for Jake (basically treating him like a rookie to avoid turnovers) and has basically experinced adjusting a gameplan for a rookie already?

Shanny also knows that there is a pretty damn good supporting cast for any rookie that would step on the field for our offense, far more than Vince Young has, and protection wise far better than Lienart has (although he has a damn good back and set of WR's).

There is little doubt that Cutler (given the opportunity), with an offensive and particularly Quarterback minded coach, can succeeed IMMEDIATELY.

[Bronco Bob]

:deadhorse

[Nomad]

I guess Plummer leading "this" team to a win on the road @ New England doesn't count...but I think they'll make the playoffs

[fontaine]

I have a gut feeling this could be the worst QB'ed game so far this season.

At one corner you've got a post Concussion Roethlisberger that is playing like crap and is a couple of plays from being benched and will no doubt play to not lose his job.

At the other corner you've Jake Plummer who sh*ts his pants whenever teams like Pitt gameplan him into staying and passing from the pocket.

I have a feeling we're going to be running the ball with KJ, Sapp, and the Bells.

[epicSocialism4tw]

If Jake plays well this weekend, you can kiss your Cutler hopes goodbye until next season.

[fontaine]

If Jake plays well this weekend, you can kiss your Cutler hopes goodbye until next season.

Man, I sure hope so.

I've had enough erratic, inconsistent play from a 10 year vet, and I don't want to see it again for another season next year.

[Taco John]

If Jake plays well this weekend, you can kiss your Cutler hopes goodbye until next season.



That would be awesome. Pittsburgh has a good defense. Nothing I'd like to see more than our quarterback making a good showing against them.

[fontaine]

You guys are going to love this!

Oh yeah, about the Broncos offense. Sure, the O-Line
parts like the Red Sea for any RB back there, but...I
can't believe I'm going to admit this...Rod Smith is
over the hill and Javon Walker is an overrated #2 guy
posing as a #1 (like Peerless Price used to be in
Buffalo.) If Jake Plummer can barely manage to win
with those sub-par wideouts, Cutler would get whiplash
just trying to find an open man. Jake's getting more
out of average receivers than most QBs ever could hope
for.

We certainly hope Jake is listening, because here at Let Plummer Play, we believe Jake is the best quarterback in the NFL!

http://www.letplummerplay.com/

Wow.

[Kaylore]

You guys are going to love this!

http://www.letplummerplay.com/

Wow.

It get's better. From his FAQ:

A: You probably already know the answer to that question, but for those of you who accidentally came here instead of the Jake "The Snake" Roberts homepage, I'll tell you. He's the greatest quarterback ever!!! Okay, that's...not entirely true. Jake Plummer has been one of the NFL's most exciting QB's for almost a decade. He's been a little inconsistent, partly because he spent most of his early career with an underperforming Arizona Cardinals team and partially because he has a habit of trying a little too hard to complete his passes...even when he should just tuck the ball and take the sack. But this is what I love about the guy. True, if this was the NBA, he'd be called a "chucker," but he doesn't do it for stats, he does it because he puts the entire game on his shoulders with every throw. This is kind of a flaw, of course, since football is overwhelmingly a team game. But this determination, along with the fact that he has engineered more 4th-quarter comebacks than any current QB in the league, makes him a unique and interesting player that stands out from the crowd.

I think it's Orange 4 Life. This sounds exactly like him:

Q: WHY DID YOU START THIS WEBSITE? DOESN'T JAKE STILL START FOR THE FIRST-PLACE BRONCOS?

A: Yes, the Broncos, as of the day I registered this website, were 5-1 and in first place in the AFC West. But the Broncos drafted a quarterback named Jay Cutler in the first round this year. When it happened, I figured, "That's fine. He'll take a few years to develop into a good NFL QB while backing up Jake, and when Jake leaves in a few years, boom! The Broncos have another good QB." And then, the media started their bullcrap. Suddenly, there were stories about Cutler replacing Jake THIS YEAR just because he had a decent preseason. Hey, last I checked, the preseason was a bunch of practice games against B-squads. This wasn't Vince Young or Matt Leinart, guys who had won bowl games and awards and championships, this was Jay Cutler! Jay Cutler seems like a very talented player. But his last year in college, he led Vanderbilt (VANDERBILT?!?!) to a 5-6 record. The highlight game of the year was when Vandy put up an unlikely 42 points on the Florida Gators--in a LOSS. What's more important in football? How talented your quarterback seems to be or winning the game? Fact is, since Jake Plummer signed on in 2003, the Broncos have won 38 games and lost 16, one of the best records in the league over that stretch. They've lost two Wild Card games to the enormously talented Colts and knocked off the champion Patriots last year before finally losing to the eventual Super Bowl winner ( Pittsburgh) in the AFC championship. Heck, if you want to go back to his Cardinals years, Jake once guided the Cards to their first playoff win EVER, over the Aikman/Smith/Irvin-era Cowboys!Hilarious! The Cardinals have been one of the worst franchises in sports over the last few decades, so it's hard to describe how significant that really was. It's like if the Clippers were to beat the Spurs in the NBA playoffs--that's what it was like. Jake Plummer, numbers aside, has been a WINNER. Jay Cutler, talented though he may be--and I may even become a fan of his someday--has never been a leader on a winning team, let alone ever won a BIG GAME. So a few weeks into the season, Denver had only lost one game...and people were STILL calling for Jay Cutler! Jake isn't having the best season ever, but he's WINNING. He's doing enough to insure the victory, like when he threw 2 TDs to beat the Patriots in New England in week 3, or when he tossed the winning touchdown to Rod Smith against Baltimore (supposedly the best defense in the AFC at the time) in week 5. And people were still calling for Jay Cutler! I'd had enough. Here was a veteran, a guy who had proven he could take a team to the playoffs--a Broncos team that played in a tough division and was not as talented as many other NFL teams--and who had maintained a level of excellence that most franchises would run over their grandmothers for...and people are STILL calling for Jay Cutler! As one of Jake's biggest fans I felt it was my duty to spread the word and tell the world:

Jay took his team to and won the State Championship in High School. He was the All-state Quarterback and safety for his team. They were undefeated that year. So yeah, he can win big games.

Isn't it funny that all the Plummerites will in one breath explain that Plummer's struggles in Arizona were a result of the team being crappy but then won't allow that argument in the case of Cutler? It's like Cutler is a loser because his team didn't win, even though his stats were godly, meanwhile Plummer plays like ass down in Arizona and it's all the Teams' fault.

[-Slap-]

The link to Plummer's charity is the only worthwhile thing on the page.

[Kaylore]

Here's a nice treat. Check out his pictures of Jake page. There's a fun little link at the top you guys should try.

http://savejakethesnake.tripod.com/id1.html

[-Slap-]

One more thing to note. That playoff game where Plummer "led" the Cardinals to victory over Dallas? Jake was 19 for 36 for 213 yards with two TDs and two interceptions. The final score was 20-7. It looks to me like the Arizona defense were the ones responsible for that victory.

Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
1998 dal W,20-7 | 19 36 213 2 2 | 3 1 0
1998 min L,21-41 | 23 41 242 0 2 | 4 9 0
2003 ind L,10-41 | 23 30 181 1 2 | 3 18 0
2004 ind L,24-49 | 24 34 281 2 1 | 1 0 0
2005 nwe W,27-13 | 15 26 197 1 1 | 7 8 0
2005 pit L,17-34 | 18 30 223 1 2 | 6 29 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 122 197 1337 7 10 | 24 65 0

Jake immediately followed up on his playoff success by posting one of the ten worst seasons for a quarterback in NFL history in 1999.

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1997 ari | 10 | 157 296 53.0 2203 7.4 15 15 | 39 216 2 |
| 1998 ari | 16 | 324 547 59.2 3737 6.8 17 20 | 51 217 4 |
| 1999 ari | 12 | 201 381 52.8 2111 5.5 9 24 | 39 121 2 |
| 2000 ari | 14 | 270 475 56.8 2946 6.2 13 21 | 37 183 0 |
| 2001 ari | 16 | 304 525 57.9 3653 7.0 18 14 | 35 163 0 |
| 2002 ari | 16 | 284 530 53.6 2972 5.6 18 20 | 46 283 2 |
| 2003 den | 11 | 189 302 62.6 2182 7.2 15 7 | 37 205 3 |
| 2004 den | 16 | 303 521 58.2 4089 7.8 27 20 | 62 202 1 |
| 2005 den | 16 | 277 456 60.7 3366 7.4 18 7 | 46 151 2 |
| 2006 den | 7 | 101 190 53.2 1158 6.1 5 7 | 21 80 1 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 134 | 2410 4223 57.1 28417 6.7 155 155 | 413 1821 17 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

[Circle Orange]

Here's a nice treat. Check out his pictures of Jake page. There's a fun little link at the top you guys should try.

http://savejakethesnake.tripod.com/id1.html

FOUR porn stache pictures? A bit of overkill...Ha!

[BroncoInferno]

One more thing to note. That playoff game where Plummer "led" the Cardinals to victory over Dallas? Jake was 19 for 36 for 213 yards with two TDs and two interceptions. The final score was 20-7. It looks to me like the Arizona defense were the ones responsible for that victory.

Yeah, those two TDs were meaningless. ::)

C'mon, Slap, he's sucked this season...fine, but you can give the guy a little credit, can't you? Some of you act like he's the worst QB of all-time. His overall play in Denver has been pretty damn solid (until this season anyway). After the Griese debacle, I'll ride with the guy until Shanny decides Cutler is ready to go.

[-Slap-]

Yeah, those two TDs were meaningless. ::)

C'mon, Slap, he's sucked this season...fine, but you can give the guy a little credit, can't you? Some of you act like he's the worst QB of all-time. His overall play in Denver has been pretty damn solid (until this season anyway). After the Griese debacle, I'll ride with the guy until Shanny decides Cutler is ready to go.

I'm sorry if my pointing out the truth is inconvenient for you.

He was Unitas in that game!!!!!!!! Last week, too!!!!!!!!

Jake! Jake! Jake! Jake! Jake!

[BroncoInferno]

I'm sorry if my pointing out the truth is inconvenient for you.

He was Unitas in that game!!!!!!!! Last week, too!!!!!!!!

Jake! Jake! Jake! Jake! Jake!

Who said he was Unitas? All I'm saying is he's been a solid contributer since he's been a Bronco.

OK, I can make a straw man too:

Plummer is the worst QB in NFL history!! He in no way contributed to any of the 37 wins the Broncos have tallied with him at QB and is the sole reason behind all 13 losses!!! Cutler is God!!! Cutler is God!! Worship Cutler!!!!

[-Slap-]

I love the way Plummer fans overvalue everything he does and I can't say I really blame them. Like you, I'm always a little surprised any time he completes a pass, so I can see how the excessive hyperbole occurs.

[BroncoInferno]

I love the way Plummer fans overvalue everything he does and I can't say I really blame them. Like you, I'm always a little surprised any time he completes a pass, so I can see how the excessive hyperbole occurs.

It's "excessive hyperbole" to say he was solid contributor his first three seasons as a Broncos?

[Dedhed]

It's "excessive hyperbole" to say he was solid contributor his first three seasons as a Broncos?

"Glory days, in the wink of a young girl's eyes. Glory days, oh, THEY'VE PASSED us by. Glory days, glory daaaaheyaayyys."

I would gladly take the Jake of the first years in Denver, but whoever it is that's started the first 7 games this season has got to go.

[-Slap-]

It's "excessive hyperbole" to say he was solid contributor his first three seasons as a Broncos?

The excessive hyperbole of the gayass website which is the topic of this thread.

[Crushaholic]

Here's a nice treat. Check out his pictures of Jake page. There's a fun little link at the top you guys should try.

http://savejakethesnake.tripod.com/id1.html

Thanks, Kaylore. That was an interesting website...^5

[BroncoInferno]

I would gladly take the Jake of the first years in Denver, but whoever it is that's started the first 7 games this season has got to go.

I agree. Just saying, some people want to make it seem like Plummer's played this way his entire time in Denver, and we won 37 games inspite of having him lining up under center.

[-Slap-]

We won in spite of him in 2004. I forgot, though, leading the League in interceptions is "solid play" when we're discussing Jake Plummer.

Keep that bar set high, sycophants.

[BroncoInferno]

The excessive hyperbole of the gayass website which is the topic of this thread.

Is there really anybody who posts on this site regularly (other than maybe orange 4 life) who comes close to sharing this viewpoint? I think the people who've been in his corner felt like he was good enough to get it done, not that he was anything special.

[BroncoInferno]

We won in spite of him in 2004. I forgot, though, leading the League in interceptions is "solid play" when we're discussing Jake Plummer.

Keep that bar set high, sycophants.

4000+ yards and 27 TDs didn't help us win a single game, did they?

[-Slap-]

4000+ yards and 27 TDs didn't help us win a single game, did they?

They helped us so much Shanahan took a freaking meat cleaver to the playbook the following season.

Wake up.

[Dedhed]

Is there really anybody who posts on this site regularly (other than maybe orange 4 life) who comes close to sharing this viewpoint? I think the people who've been in his corner felt like he was good enough to get it done, not that he was anything special.

When it comes to the bottom line, when has Jake gotten it done?

[BroncoInferno]

They helped us so much Shanahan took a freaking meat cleaver to the playbook the following season.

Wake up.

I think you're missing my point. I'm not saying he didn't turn it over too much that season, but just as you claim the Plummer supporters fall into "excessive hyperbole", so to do those who blame him for losses where the D gives up 35 points in a half or who try to make it seem that he has never contributed anything positive to the team.

[Crushaholic]

When it comes to the bottom line, when has Jake gotten it done?

I believe he has "gotten it done" 37 times in his Broncos career. Of course, I measure the "bottom line" as wins and losses...

[BroncoInferno]

When it comes to the bottom line, when has Jake gotten it done?

What do you mean by "the bottom line"? Winning a playoff game? Last year against NE (yeah, I know, he played "awful" going 15-26 197 yds 1 TD 1 INT...didn't throw 300 yards 3 TDs so he obviously didn't contribute to the win). Or do you mean winning the Super Bowl? Because if that's the standard, a lot of QBs we'd both probably consider "great" have failed that test.

[Circle Orange]

Magic number could be 2. As in number of picks.

[errand]

Jay took his team to and won the State Championship in High School. He was the All-state Quarterback and safety for his team. They were undefeated that year. So yeah, he can win big games.

.

..and Brian Griese, not Tom Brady, was the QB who led the Michigan to a share of the NCAA title....so what's your point?

It's a tad different to be the big fish in a little pond like alot of NFL players were in high school, and it's another to win games in the NFL where 300 lb DT's can run like Forrest Gump.

[errand]

Hey Slap...maybe if you close your eyes real tight and click your heels 3 times, John will come out of retirement.

[-Slap-]

Hey Slap...maybe if you close your eyes real tight and click your heels 3 times, John will come out of retirement.

Hey Errand...maybe if you open your eyes and remove your head from your ass, you won't look like a fool every time you press the submit reply button.

[Cito Pelon]

Just for the hell of it, I'll say it sure seems to me there's a lot of the best Bronco players that have been neutralized by the best-coached teams in the League. And a lot of Bronco players that have been just out-played by the man across from them when they met up with the other top teams in the League.

When it comes down to the best in the League playing each other, the Broncos have come up short most of the time for about 8 years now. The NFL isn't as simple as trotting out an HOF QB.

[BroncoFanCam]

4000+ yards and 27 TDs didn't help us win a single game, did they?

You probably would be better served not using that season as an example, as good 'ol Jakie-poo tossed an astounding 20 picks, as well putting the ball on the ground 6 times (lucky for him only one of them were recovered by the other team).

Total yards are fine and grand when you're scoring off of them, and when don't give the opposition the ball nearly as many times as you do get a touchdown.

[Dedhed]

I believe he has "gotten it done" 37 times in his Broncos career. Of course, I measure the "bottom line" as wins and losses...

0 is the answer you're looking for. I measure the "Bottom Line" as wins in your final game of the year.

[Popps]

Just for the hell of it, I'll say it sure seems to me there's a lot of the best Bronco players that have been neutralized by the best-coached teams in the League. And a lot of Bronco players that have been just out-played by the man across from them when they met up with the other top teams in the League.

When it comes down to the best in the League playing each other, the Broncos have come up short most of the time for about 8 years now. The NFL isn't as simple as trotting out an HOF QB.

What a fantastic post.

[Taco John]

The NFL isn't as simple as trotting out an HOF QB.


Who said it was? The idea that we NEED a franchise QB is a joke. We don't, and I don't believe anybody is making the argument that we do. We just need someone who isn't going to throw away opportunities once we get to the playoffs, and will trust the system and not force things. Though if he is going to force things, it would help if he didn't throw ducks on the force.

The success of this team doesn't hang in the balance of whether we start Jake Plummer or not.

[Circle Orange]

Just for the hell of it, I'll say it sure seems to me there's a lot of the best Bronco players that have been neutralized by the best-coached teams in the League. And a lot of Bronco players that have been just out-played by the man across from them when they met up with the other top teams in the League.

When it comes down to the best in the League playing each other, the Broncos have come up short most of the time for about 8 years now. The NFL isn't as simple as trotting out an HOF QB.

I don't think Favre got the memo. :laugh:

[BroncoFanCam]

Who said it was? The idea that we NEED a franchise QB is a joke. We don't, and I don't believe anybody is making the argument that we do. We just need someone who isn't going to throw away opportunities once we get to the playoffs, and will trust the system and not force things. Though if he is going to force things, it would help if he didn't throw ducks on the force.

The success of this team doesn't hang in the balance of whether we start Jake Plummer or not.Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner...

We don't need Jake to come out this or any week and throw for 400 yards and 5 TD's.

We need him to..

1: MAKE PROGRESSIONS through his receivers once in a blue moon. Where his helmet points, that ois where the ball goes, it never looks around, it fixates on one player. I have only seen two playes where Jake deviated from this.
-- A) He looks right, and throws left to Brandon Marshall for a TD. The previous play was exactly the same, only Jake did not look right first, he followed Marshall the whole play. The look-off on the second attemp gave him the space needed to get teh ball in there, result IT WORKED!

-- B) Jake makes a pump-fake towards the center of the field, and gets the corner off Walker enough to get a big-gainer down the right sideline.

When he mixes it up, good things happen. The problem is, he rarely if ever does change things up. He's like reading a Golden Book, a 5 year old can do it.

2: THROW THE BALL AWAY! When it isn't there, it isn't there. Don't try and force it into a triple covered Rod Smith (which he has done, luckily it fell incomplete). It's obvious he isn't looking around teh field, if he were someone would have been open, you can't leave 3 on Rod and not leave a gap somewhere. But since he's fixated on Rod, it didn't open up, toss it away.

3: When the pocket colapses, (which WILL happen from time to time) PROTECT THE BALL! Don't wobble around back there holding it like a bag of groceries, pick the damn thing up and get both hands on it.

This is simple stuff people, something that Jay Cutler has been being told, not something a 10 year vet should have to be told time, and time, and time again, it should be instinctual by now.

We don't need superman, we need someone who doesn't give away opportunities, or worse yet give the other team points.

[freak6]

The idea that we NEED a franchise QB is a joke. We don't, and I don't believe anybody is making the argument that we do.

lol.

If by "need" you mean win playoff games, then yes, we do need a franchise QB. That is why we are paying our backup huge boatloads of cash to be that franchise QB. How anyone, least of all you could say we don't need a franchise QB is pretty funny.

[Dedhed]

lol.

If by "need" you mean win playoff games, then yes, we do need a franchise QB. That is why we are paying our backup huge boatloads of cash to be that franchise QB. How anyone, least of all you could say we don't need a franchise QB is pretty funny.

There are maybe 5-7 legitimate franchise QBs in the league. With a middle of the road QB we're very likely 7-0 right now. I don't think Taco was suggesting that Cutler doesn't have "franchise" potential, or that he wouldn't love a true franchise QB. I think he was pointing out the truth that with even mediocre QB play this year we're probably #1 in the AFC.

[freak6]

There are maybe 5-7 legitimate franchise QBs in the league. With a middle of the road QB we're very likely 7-0 right now. I don't think Taco was suggesting that Cutler doesn't have "franchise" potential, or that he wouldn't love a true franchise QB. I think he was pointing out the truth that with even mediocre QB play this year we're probably #1 in the AFC.

I don't think having Elway would've made much difference vs the Colts, since we couldn't stop them at all. But Cutler would have beaten the Rams. I'd say 6-1 with a middle of the road QB.

There's at least 12 - 14 franchise QBs in the NFL. McNabb, Manning, Manning, Brady, Bulger, Brees, Delhomme, Vick, Palmer, Rivers, Smith, Carr with that extension they signed him to should be (DOH!), Culpepper maybe, and then you have the 3 rookies also. Cutler being the best of them imo.

Back to the point about us and a franchise QB. We have got to have a QB with the arm strength, accuracy, and confidence to make big time throws. He has also got to have the ability to read a defense, that helps... Jake Plummer is lacking in the above 4 areas, badly. That is why he is the worst rated QB in the NFL, shocking with such a stellar running game.

We went to 5 Super Bowls with a franchise QB, and zero without the Orange Crush and since the revolution of the game in the 80's. The Ravens bucked the trend with Dilfer, but I would call that a fluke. To win big games in the playoffs, I think we need a franchise QB that doesn't fall apart like Griese, Ferrote, and Plummer have.

[Orange_Beard]

Here's a nice treat. Check out his pictures of Jake page. There's a fun little link at the top you guys should try.

http://savejakethesnake.tripod.com/id1.html

This is funny. Looks like some is learning how to use Frontpage.
This gives new meaning to drunk posting. Drunk web-designing.....

[freak6]

That website is the biggest waste of bandwidth since chiefsplanet came into being.