Anyone know? Darrent Williams interview?

[DomCasual]

Anyone know where I could catch the Darrent Williams postgame interview? Was it a local station that aired it. I looked on KUSA, and they didn't have it.

If not, can someone summarize what he said? I keep hearing about it, and wonder what all the fuss is about.

[mattbeymvp]

It was on channel four and he said "It ain't nothin on me" and something about how good everyone knew he was. It was pretty ridiculous and he sounded like he had no business possessing a high school diploma.

[~Crash~]

you guys need to lay off the guy he is a damn fine player !!!!!!!

[mattbeymvp]

you guys need to lay off the guy he is a damn fine player !!!!!!!

Foxworth is so much better it isn't even funny.

[theAPAOps5]

I can't blame him especially since the press is notorious for baiting players into responses. Still he should have said I pin this on myslef as much anybody.

[broncocalijohn]

actually, he never did an interview. It was a stand in. He was out on the field looking for his jock strap somewhere down both side lines.

[Blueflame]

It would be nice to have another source (besides the fireshanahan.com guy) as to the content of the interview...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Foxworth is so much better it isn't even funny.

Both are so overrated it isn't funny. Nice seasons for rookies last year, but way overhyped above how well they actually played.

[epa86b@netzero]

Overall, I do not blame D. Williams. If he was doing something other than what the coaches told him, they would have taken him out of the game.

Now, I blame him for missed tackles or missed assignments but i am not sure how many of those he committed.

It was a scheme issue. had been successful for the first 6 games. Like in boxing, styles make fights; in this case, Indy's Offensive scheme was better than our Defensive scheme.

Bottomline: We have time remaining in the season to make adjustments and hopefully, if we see INDY again, we will have a few tricks up our sleeves. Although, I have some doubts.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Damn fine players usually play in a damn fine manner. Darrent played in a damn poor manner but part of this falls on Coyer who didn't have the sense to see that his kid was getting utterly embarrassed by Wayne and put Darren't dad (Bailey) on Wayne, who is now the #1 WR on that team.

[Ratboy]

If we every get a stellar defensive line, every single one of our defensive backs will look like Pro Bowlers.

[Florida_Bronco]

As much as I hate to say it, I could see D-will becoming a flava clown. Hopefully Champ, Rod and/or the other leaders smack some sense into this kid.

[DarkHorse]

He looked like Roc Alexander out there. Absolutely 0 rush on Manning will do that to you.

Still a pretty good corner - not elite and not great - but he's young yet.

[Ratboy]

It's crazy how many people jump ship in one game.

[Mile High Shack]

I blame Coyer and his lack of ability to change anything, he left Darrent out to dry

it's not like Wayne is some scrub receiver

[Nuggets4]

I saw the interview on KCNC. It was immediately after the game and sadly I can't remember a large part of the conversation. I just remember my best friend asking me, "Is he high?" He was acting really strange throughout the entire interview. He said that he "did his thing", but it just didn't work today but he'll win the other battles.

It was one of the weirdest 60 seconds of TV I've ever seen.

[BroncoSoja]

Damn fine players usually play in a damn fine manner. Darrent played in a damn poor manner but part of this falls on Coyer who didn't have the sense to see that his kid was getting utterly embarrassed by Wayne and put Darren't dad (Bailey) on Wayne, who is now the #1 WR on that team.

Put Champ on Wayne and then put DWill on Harrison...Yeah that would be a great adjustment....

Say that to yourself 3 times real slow.

[BroncoSoja]

It's crazy how many people jump ship in one game.

Most of us aren't "jumping ship" we are just pissed at DWill for running his mouth last week then going out and playing like complete crap. If you talk the talk walk that ***** too.

[55CrushEm]

Put Champ on Wayne and then put DWill on Harrison...Yeah that would be a great adjustment....

Say that to yourself 3 times real slow.

I assume that you're being sarcastic......so why WOULDN'T that be a good adjustment?

Wayne is clearly their #1 receiver.....he's bigger, younger (Wayne is 27, Harrison is 34), and I assume probably as fast.

DWill is 5'8" and we but him on the bigger, better receiver?......doesn't make much sense.

[DarkHorse]

I assume that you're being sarcastic......so why WOULDN'T that be a good adjustment?

Wayne is clearly their #1 receiver.....he's bigger, younger (Wayne is 27, Harrison is 34), and I assume probably as fast.

DWill is 5'8" and we but him on the bigger, better receiver?......doesn't make much sense.

The size factor never came into play - Reggie Wayne is simply a much better receiver than D-Will is a corner.

Did you watch some of the replays of the moves that Wayne used to get open? He was sick out there - crisp clean precise cuts, D-Will was right there but it's Manning for God sake - he's dead on with the passes. I'm just curious why we didn't roll safety help over there more often. And, for crying out loud where was the pass rush? No blitzes and an ineffective front 4.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I saw the interview. He didn't say anything bad. He was just trying to be nice to the press by talking to them and saying nothing of substance. He declined interviews in the locker room as did most of the defensive players.

[Mediator12]

It's not a good adjustment because Darrent was beaten by timing, quickness, and accurate throws. Where did Wayne outmuscle him or out jump him for a reception? He beat him like a red headed stepchild on four routes all game. This is with consistent over the top help from the safeties. In fact despite the irrational perceptions on this board, Darrent had inside and over the top help all game long. He was beaten on outs, comebacks, fades, and Stop go's the whole day long. You know everwhere he did not have help. He was beaten twice on the blitzes for first downs by Wayne when he had to make a play.

That is what happens when a pompous second year CB insults the best QB at exploiting weaknesses in the game. None of Manning's throws were poor except the one that clunked off Ferguson's hands AGAIN on the second possession. You know, the one where Darrent did not have over the top help ;D

The DL was exposed for the fourth consecutive year in a row against a marginal OL starting a backup inside. Ekuban, Lang, Dumervil, and Chukwurah might as well have had a campfire in the middle of the field for all they did in that game.

The LB's were missing tackles again because they had to drop deeper from the lack of a pass rush. That extra yardage allowed players to turn two and three yard gains into 7 and eight.

[spdirty]

The size factor never came into play - Reggie Wayne is simply a much better receiver than D-Will is a corner.

Did you watch some of the replays of the moves that Wayne used to get open? He was sick out there - crisp clean precise cuts, D-Will was right there but it's Manning for God sake - he's dead on with the passes. I'm just curious why we didn't roll safety help over there more often. And, for crying out loud where was the pass rush? No blitzes and an ineffective front 4.

did you see the 2 point conversion? I wish we'd have put Champ on Wayne and Williams and Fergy on Harrison. Then let Dallas Clark look like Shannon Sharpe.:notthissh

[55CrushEm]

The size factor never came into play - Reggie Wayne is simply a much better receiver than D-Will is a corner.

Did you watch some of the replays of the moves that Wayne used to get open? He was sick out there - crisp clean precise cuts, D-Will was right there but it's Manning for God sake - he's dead on with the passes. I'm just curious why we didn't roll safety help over there more often. And, for crying out loud where was the pass rush? No blitzes and an ineffective front 4.

No matter HOW DWill was beaten.....I still think that Wayne is the better receiver. Therefore, Champ should be on him.

The outcome couldn't have been worse.

[bigfan]

It looked to me that Williams was afraid of getting beat over the top, and was afraid of Waynes size. i would have like to see Champ switched to him just to see if they could break up their rythm. however if you give Manning ALL DAY, he'll find a way to kill you, he's just to accurate.

[Mediator12]

People here do not understand how good Marvin Harrison Still is. He has BETTER timing with Harrison than with Wayne and if you put Darrent over on him he might just break the tackle and go the distance from being even farther off in seperation. Champ is just that good. He gave Harrison four catches yesterday, but broke up three others. Dwill had another o-fer pass defense kind of day like he had against STL.

[Elway 4 Life]

I am so suprised Dwill didnt pull a muscle as turned around as he was. He got owned plain and simple. He is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is and really truely isnt as good as we need our second CB to be. If we would have switched champ over to cover wayne then this morning we would be talking about how marvin owned Dwill. Dwill is not champ nor will he ever be. He needs help in coverage plain and simple.

The other obvious failure on our defense was lack of pressure.....(sound familiar). We got absolutlely no inside pressure. Our De's rushed, were forced outside, and then Manning stepped up into the pocket and more than likely threw to wayne for 20 yards. Not having warren hurt us. The pocket that manning had to throw in was awesome. He could have picked any team in the league apart with the time he had. Absolutely no inside rush.

Our offense was fantastic. That was fun to watch. Bell looked great, Scheffler got involved and Jake showed us flashes of the 2005 Jake. Jake earned his check and hopefully slow the grumblings for his head.

[55CrushEm]

People here do not understand how good Marvin Harrison Still is. He has BETTER timing with Harrison than with Wayne and if you put Darrent over on him he might just break the tackle and go the distance from being even farther off in seperation. Champ is just that good. He gave Harrison four catches yesterday, but broke up three others. Dwill had another o-fer pass defense kind of day like he had against STL.

Not arguing the point that Harrison is still extremely good. Just saying that maybe Wayne is now "the" guy. Very close, perhaps.....

[s0phr0syne]

"Darrent Williams will bounce back," Wayne said. "I have seen him on film and he makes plays all the time. I am not going to apologize to him. I am going to work just like he is going to work. When I am out there, I just refuse to lose no matter who is on the other side of me. Like I said, my number was called today and he was on me."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2643150

[TheDave]

Sorry folks but this one was all on the pass rush... Give Manning 4-5 seconds every time he drops back is gauranteed disaster. We could of had Champ and a young Deon back there and the results would of been similiar.

[Ratboy]

Sorry folks but this one was all on the pass rush... Give Manning 4-5 seconds every time he drops back is gauranteed disaster. We could of had Champ and a young Deon back there and the results would of been similiar.


:notworthy

[jayman_37]

I know that everyone is going to say we don't have the right personnel to bump a little bit but if you look at who beats the colts its the teams that throw off the timing of the routes and make peyton hold it a half second longer to start to get some hits on him. then he begins to feel the pressure and hurries his throws. I just think that maybe we should give it a shot. We can't do much worse.

[TheReverend]

It's not a good adjustment because Darrent was beaten by timing, quickness, and accurate throws. Where did Wayne outmuscle him or out jump him for a reception? He beat him like a red headed stepchild on four routes all game. This is with consistent over the top help from the safeties. In fact despite the irrational perceptions on this board, Darrent had inside and over the top help all game long. He was beaten on outs, comebacks, fades, and Stop go's the whole day long. You know everwhere he did not have help. He was beaten twice on the blitzes for first downs by Wayne when he had to make a play.

That is what happens when a pompous second year CB insults the best QB at exploiting weaknesses in the game. None of Manning's throws were poor except the one that clunked off Ferguson's hands AGAIN on the second possession. You know, the one where Darrent did not have over the top help ;D

The DL was exposed for the fourth consecutive year in a row against a marginal OL starting a backup inside. Ekuban, Lang, Dumervil, and Chukwurah might as well have had a campfire in the middle of the field for all they did in that game.

The LB's were missing tackles again because they had to drop deeper from the lack of a pass rush. That extra yardage allowed players to turn two and three yard gains into 7 and eight.

Not sure if you noticed but after the first couple series Denver was getting chewed up so badly on the ground they switched to a read front which has been criminal to our pass rush the past four seasons. I understand any criticism against Coyer is taken personally by you, but this is a Broncos board and HE's the one that's been exposed in every big game... twice by the Colts (this makes three), by the Steelers, and by the Patriots (FIVE turnovers managed to bail him out). He makes a living off sub par schemes looking good from talent but get's outcoached everytime it counts.

[DarkHorse]

No matter HOW DWill was beaten.....I still think that Wayne is the better receiver. Therefore, Champ should be on him.

The outcome couldn't have been worse.

And, In my opinion, Marvin Harrison would have smacked D-Will around. Both of those receivers are much better at their position than Darrent is at his. Period. He's good but he's not great - both of those receivers are great, they have proven this already.

Either one of them would have had stellar days without a pass rush. Hell, Stokely would have tore him a new ass.

[Bronx33]

The size factor never came into play - Reggie Wayne is simply a much better receiver than D-Will is a corner.

Did you watch some of the replays of the moves that Wayne used to get open? He was sick out there - crisp clean precise cuts, D-Will was right there but it's Manning for God sake - he's dead on with the passes. I'm just curious why we didn't roll safety help over there more often. And, for crying out loud where was the pass rush? No blitzes and an ineffective front 4.


I saw DW simply bite on some bait and wayne ran right pass him (twice) same play TD, gotta credit the play execution of the colts WR corps and the DC for taking advantage of DW. As far as why coyer didn't make some adjustment to help him out iam not sure but iam sure DW got rented all day long, also a complete lack of a pass rush giving forehead boy time to make a sandwich and file his nails was a huge factor in that loss.

[(Jae)]

It's crazy how many people jump ship in one game.

isnt it?

Champ was getting picked on too, but Manning decided to lean off him and go to Darrent because it was easier.
Manning could have done that to either CB with the time he had.
And he DID, early on.

[ColoradoBuff]

actually, he never did an interview. It was a stand in. He was out on the field looking for his jock strap somewhere down both side lines.

:rofl: :giggle:

[Mediator12]

Not sure if you noticed but after the first couple series Denver was getting chewed up so badly on the ground they switched to a read front which has been criminal to our pass rush the past four seasons. I understand any criticism against Coyer is taken personally by you, but this is a Broncos board and HE's the one that's been exposed in every big game... twice by the Colts (this makes three), by the Steelers, and by the Patriots (FIVE turnovers managed to bail him out). He makes a living off sub par schemes looking good from talent but get's outcoached everytime it counts.

Funny how the credit is given to the players when they are setting records and the blame to the DC when they get their ass handed to them when their weaknesses get exposed on National TV.

1. The DL is not good at Pass rush, said that from the beginning. They feasted on three of the worst four OL in the league.

2. Darrent Williams is getting picked on at an alarming rate because it is simply too easy. He had help inside and over the top all day and could not execute the four primary coverages he had no help on. Part of this is because of reason number 1.

3. The tackling was poor today because Manning had more time to throw the ball than usual. This forces the LB's and safeties deeper and gives receivers that extra space to pickup YAC and make moves instead of being tackled. 3 and four yard gains became 7 and 8 yard gains.

4. The Colts had no interior routes routes all day long. They consistently passed outside the numbers except for one square in to Clark when Brandon was just a step off his coverage. That is all it took, one step outside and Clark has a 16 yard catch.

5. What would anyone have done differently? With No pass rush, no blitzing packages that pressure Manning, a # 2 CB that could not stop any route ran on Him even when he had inside and over the top Help except for three plays when he gave up a first down and two TD's, and a DL that was insignificant in Pass rush and Run stopping all day long. I want to see the coverages you would have designed that would befuddle Manning with no pass rush.

BTW, I did not notice the read front's and the WSDE was consistantly Lining up a yard outside the OT's. That is not a read front in this scheme. They also continued to run the Pass rush stunt's that are not a part of the read front's in this scheme. So, I would be interested in what you saw there.

[Bronx33]

It's not a good adjustment because Darrent was beaten by timing, quickness, and accurate throws. Where did Wayne outmuscle him or out jump him for a reception? He beat him like a red headed stepchild on four routes all game. This is with consistent over the top help from the safeties. In fact despite the irrational perceptions on this board, Darrent had inside and over the top help all game long. He was beaten on outs, comebacks, fades, and Stop go's the whole day long. You know everwhere he did not have help. He was beaten twice on the blitzes for first downs by Wayne when he had to make a play.

That is what happens when a pompous second year CB insults the best QB at exploiting weaknesses in the game. None of Manning's throws were poor except the one that clunked off Ferguson's hands AGAIN on the second possession. You know, the one where Darrent did not have over the top help ;D

The DL was exposed for the fourth consecutive year in a row against a marginal OL starting a backup inside. Ekuban, Lang, Dumervil, and Chukwurah might as well have had a campfire in the middle of the field for all they did in that game.

The LB's were missing tackles again because they had to drop deeper from the lack of a pass rush. That extra yardage allowed players to turn two and three yard gains into 7 and eight.


Med can you describe what you saw concerning DW being beat by wayne (what was he looking at?) seems he was looking off to the side, too me it looked like wayne would run past DW on a little slant and manning would hit him before the safety had time to respond. Iam just curious what you thought made DW hesitate on two of those TDs? because they looked like the same play each time.

[TheReverend]

Funny how the credit is given to the players when they are setting records and the blame to the DC when they get their ass handed to them when their weaknesses get exposed on National TV.

1. The DL is not good at Pass rush, said that from the beginning. They feasted on three of the worst four OL in the league.

2. Darrent Williams is getting picked on at an alarming rate because it is simply too easy. He had help inside and over the top all day and could not execute the four primary coverages he had no help on. Part of this is because of reason number 1.

3. The tackling was poor today because Manning had more time to throw the ball than usual. This forces the LB's and safeties deeper and gives receivers that extra space to pickup YAC and make moves instead of being tackled. 3 and four yard gains became 7 and 8 yard gains.

4. The Colts had no interior routes routes all day long. They consistently passed outside the numbers except for one square in to Clark when Brandon was just a step off his coverage. That is all it took, one step outside and Clark has a 16 yard catch.

5. What would anyone have done differently? With No pass rush, no blitzing packages that pressure Manning, a # 2 CB that could not stop any route ran on Him even when he had inside and over the top Help except for three plays when he gave up a first down and two TD's, and a DL that was insignificant in Pass rush and Run stopping all day long. I want to see the coverages you would have designed that would befuddle Manning with no pass rush.

BTW, I did not notice the read front's and the WSDE was consistantly Lining up a yard outside the OT's. That is not a read front in this scheme. They also continued to run the Pass rush stunt's that are not a part of the read front's in this scheme. So, I would be interested in what you saw there.

Explain why every DL that leaves criticizes Coyer's pass rush schemes and then has better years elsewhere since our DL talent is apparently so awful.

Couldn't see the read front? The only stunts were on 3rd on long... not even 2nd and long. DL were standing up blockers all day instead of attacking.

What would I have done differently? I'd have taken a page from NE or from Pitt. I'd have blitzed at least OCCASIONALLY. In 2nd and long and 3rd and long passing situations I would have rushed 2 and dropped the other 9 back in zones... I would've subbed Foxworth for Darrent to TRY and get some RESULTS. I would've put Champ man up against Marvin and ZONED out Reggie (Darrent could sit in the ****ing hook so he wouldnt lose his dick along with Gold in the Flat and Fergie over the top).

The point is, I would've done SOMETHING. Not stay in the same base packages that everyone has seen and is obviously not working. There were no second half adjustments...

Darrent has a long ways to go and is overhyped... no argument there.

[Mediator12]

The first two TD's were posts and the other a stop and go. Both, contrary to popular belief, were against blitzes and Darrent was ball watching looking for those picks he promised rather than covering Wayne. He screwed up by not doing his JOB first.

[Bronx33]

One TD was a post the other a stop and go. Both, contrary to popular belief, were against blitzes and Darrent was ball watching looking for those picks he promised rather than covering Wayne. He screwed up by not doing his JOB first.

It just blew me away how easy it was for wayne it was like a free play, and DW needs to STFU when the reporters are around. (lesson learned) i hope.

[freak6]

The first two TD's were posts and the other a stop and go. Both, contrary to popular belief, were against blitzes and Darrent was ball watching looking for those picks he promised rather than covering Wayne. He screwed up by not doing his JOB first.

lmao. The first 2 tds were posts, but he had over the top help all day on each of them right Med?

Give me a break. You are hating on Dwill and changing facts to cruscify the kid, just like Popps does to apologize for Plummer.

You are WAY better than that Mediator.

I agree, Dwill got owned, but let's use facts to back up our analysis.

The sickest route, was the stop, go, stop he ran. How can you be mad a Dwill over that? I would have killed Dwill with that route and NO help at all. I think the fault lies in Coyer not switching to a cover 2 with Dwill playing under and forcing the pass over the top where Lynch would bring help.

[Mediator12]

lmao. The first 2 tds were posts, but he had over the top help all day on each of them right Med?

Give me a break. You are hating on Dwill and changing facts to cruscify the kid, just like Popps does to apologize for Plummer.

You are WAY better than that Mediator.

I agree, Dwill got owned, but let's use facts to back up our analysis.

The sickest route, was the stop, go, stop he ran. How can you be mad a Dwill over that? I would have killed Dwill with that route and NO help at all. I think the fault lies in Coyer not switching to a cover 2 with Dwill playing under and forcing the pass over the top where Lynch would bring help.

They were posts from inside 12 yards dude. One from inside five yards. Hello, you understand he had help all game long outside of the three times he allowed TD's and he had help on the two point conversion inside but Ferguson chose to cover the logo instead ;D Fergy was also Horrible this game and let a sure INT bounce off his hands covering DWIL deep in cover two.

Two of those Plays were Blitzes were he had DEEP responsibilities but he got caught Looking into the QB trying to produce those two INT's he promised. Watch the Second and third TD's again. He blew Both those coverages going for the Pick six.

[freak6]

They were posts from inside 12 yards dude. One from inside five yards. Hello, you understand he had help all game long outside of the three times he allowed TD's.

You said he had help all day long. Except for the 3 TDs. lmao.

Give me a break Mediator, you are picking on him using statements "like he had help on day long", which is just not true. He didn't, on the 3 touchdowns he had NO HELP. Those are kind of important plays are they not.

I shouldn't have to play fact checker with you Mediator, you can make your case without lieing.


Watch the Second and third TD's again. He blew Both those coverages going for the Pick six.

Come on Mediator, you have excellent knowledge, but you aren't going to seriously try to blame Dwill when he takes away the outside correctly, and forces Wayne inside to where his help was SUPPOSED to be. He might have been thinking interception, but so were the Safeties who were caught in Peyton's Medusa like glare, turning into statues around the goalline allowing Wayne to run right behind them to the short post, all by himself.

And that is Dwills fault because he according to you I assume should have just covered Wayne straight up and gotten burnt to the outside where there was no help?

[Mediator12]

Freak, their is NO deep help inside ten yards to the Goalline. Their is no such thing as getting beat deep. Again, there is no DEEP. So, he was beat three times inside the red zone, that one after checking with Lynch what the coverage is, and getting UNDER coverage on that play from Ian Gold. He had the Deep coverage and played under technique.

The Second TD is where he blew coverage going for the Pick reading a throw to Clark where Lynch is in man Coverage on Clark leaving Wayne Free. Total FUBAR.

[Jetmeck]

Well, that's too bad. He would have done best to just shut his mouth. It was certainly "on him." Not all of it, but enough.

He also pointed a finger angrily at someone after he got beat for one of those scores. Not sure who it was, but I wasn't too hot on that, either.

Take a page from the team leaders and shut your mouth, kid. Yapping at the media is just going to get you in trouble. Go out there and make amends with your play.


:thumbsup:

[Jetmeck]

Damn fine players usually play in a damn fine manner. Darrent played in a damn poor manner but part of this falls on Coyer who didn't have the sense to see that his kid was getting utterly embarrassed by Wayne and put Darren't dad (Bailey) on Wayne, who is now the #1 WR on that team.


Yes

[55CrushEm]

Perhaps we should try to lure Wade Philips back here to replace Coyer?

[Jetmeck]

It's crazy how many people jump ship in one game.

One game huh ? We have seen this exact type of game played out three times in a row against INDY, not to mention the PITT game. We are all sick of this !

[freak6]

Freak, their is NO deep help inside ten yards to the Goalline. Their is no such thing as getting beat deep. Again, there is no DEEP. He had the Deep coverage and played under technique.


First you say there is no deep. Then you say he had Deep coverage. You can't have both.

You are attempting now to put words in my mouth. Look back at my posts, and tell me where I used this word?

"deep"

I didn't, but you are insinuating that I did to try and show me up.

Why the need to lie and misrepresent facts and put words in Freakzillas mouth Mediator? You are losing serious credibility today.

Dwill was obviously expecting help INSIDE, not deep, but INSIDE from his safeties who were busy admiring Peyton's baby blues on the goalline.

[Jetmeck]

Sorry folks but this one was all on the pass rush... Give Manning 4-5 seconds every time he drops back is gauranteed disaster. We could of had Champ and a young Deon back there and the results would of been similiar.


That don't add up, Harrison had four catches for what 30-40 yards ? Bailey was glued to him and had his hands on the ball several times. The ONLY time HARRISON HAD SEPARATION WAS WHEN marvin SLAMMED INTO BAILEY and should have been called offensive pass interference.

Wayne had lots of separation all game. There is no boubt the D -line was pathetic but only one of our corners broke down yesterday.

[cmhargrove]

I totally agree that no corner in this league will be able to cover the Colts receivers if Peyton has five seconds to throw each play. He could have chosen to throw against Bailey, there was just a better chance that Bailey could have picked one sooner or later.
I bet the Broncos themselves take just as much blame for lack of pass rush as they do for coverage.
I think we'll get a chance to see them again in the playoffs, and we better find someone to hit Manning, or else start Mike Bell earlier. Kid was on fire.
I for one am proud of the team's effort this weekend, I honestly feel we can beat them next time if we find a way to put Manning on the ground a few times.

[watermock]

Harrison obviously pushed off on Bailey. Refs knob slobber Indy.

[Natedogg]

It's not a good adjustment because Darrent was beaten by timing, quickness, and accurate throws. Where did Wayne outmuscle him or out jump him for a reception? He beat him like a red headed stepchild on four routes all game. This is with consistent over the top help from the safeties. In fact despite the irrational perceptions on this board, Darrent had inside and over the top help all game long. He was beaten on outs, comebacks, fades, and Stop go's the whole day long. You know everwhere he did not have help. He was beaten twice on the blitzes for first downs by Wayne when he had to make a play.

That is what happens when a pompous second year CB insults the best QB at exploiting weaknesses in the game. None of Manning's throws were poor except the one that clunked off Ferguson's hands AGAIN on the second possession. You know, the one where Darrent did not have over the top help ;D

The DL was exposed for the fourth consecutive year in a row against a marginal OL starting a backup inside. Ekuban, Lang, Dumervil, and Chukwurah might as well have had a campfire in the middle of the field for all they did in that game.

The LB's were missing tackles again because they had to drop deeper from the lack of a pass rush. That extra yardage allowed players to turn two and three yard gains into 7 and eight.

Basically, I think this sums it up. I think that our team was hurt incredibally by Warrnen's absense (that could be wishful thinkijng) and by Lepsis being out (ie the final third down where jake had to run to preserve the fg and then bounced it to walker). I do have faith if we meet again.

[cabronco]

Peyton had so much time in the pocket , in HD you could actually read his lips...Eenie, meeny, miney, moe , today Darrent Williams you are my Ho'

[Cito Pelon]

Well, this is the first thread I opened up since early yesterday, so I don't know what all has been discussed. And forgive what will probably become a rant. First post, ok? All I do know right now is that Den D looked confused and overmatched from the opening possession. Did that pass defense look like at any time they were sure about what they wanted to do?

As for DW, he looked like he was expecting some help inside on the post that resulted in one TD. On the stop/go he was just flat beat, but ya know what? If he would have just looked around as he closed on Wayne, he could have batted that down or intercepted it, and that would have been the play of the game. Just gotta get relax and get better, I guess.

And for those that have been lamenting the passrush, yeah, it was bad. Man, many times there was no pressure in front of Manning. No obstruction at all to his vision, passing lane, ability to step into the throw. 32 of 39? Good Lord, is that an NFL record for completion percent for that # of passes? And hell, he shoud have been 35 for 39 but for Clark dropped 2 and Wayne one I believe. 28 points in the second half? I'm getting myself worked up. Rant over for now.

[Killericon]

*Sigh*

It's looking more and more like trading him and having 'Nique man the other side is the best option.

[16-JakE-16]

Put Champ on Wayne and then put DWill on Harrison...Yeah that would be a great adjustment....

Say that to yourself 3 times real slow.


why not? DARRENT COULD NOT HAVE DONE ANY WORSE ON HARRISON THAN HE DID ON WAYNE. After the first two touchdowns there was no reason to believe Reggie Wayne would not go ahead and do the SAME THING AGAIN.

It's not his fault because Wayne has already established himself as a top 5-7 receiver and Coyer failed to do anything except put Darrent in an almost impossible situation.

[Mediator12]

First you say there is no deep. Then you say he had Deep coverage. You can't have both.

You are attempting now to put words in my mouth. Look back at my posts, and tell me where I used this word?

"deep"

I didn't, but you are insinuating that I did to try and show me up.

Why the need to lie and misrepresent facts and put words in Freakzillas mouth Mediator? You are losing serious credibility today.

Dwill was obviously expecting help INSIDE, not deep, but INSIDE from his safeties who were busy admiring Peyton's baby blues on the goalline.


No, you did not mention Deep, but you did mention this:

Originally Posted by freak6
lmao. The first 2 tds were posts, but he had over the top help all day on each of them right Med?


Deep and Over the top are synomous outside the red Zone in football speak. Even you know this and are trying to argue semantics and language because you have no case.

Shanahan just said in his press conference Darrent had under help on the third TD and was responsible for the deep Ball on the 19 yard third TD catch. He also said there was miscommunication on another play which led to Wayne being wide open. That miscommunication was Williams guessing Clark on an out on the second TD and covering no one instead of following Wayne.

So, argue semantics all you want. It still says that DWILL had coverage rolled his way to help him and he could not execute his primary coverage on at least two of those TD passes. The first one was iffy, but looks like he played outside technique with no Inside help. If that is case there was a screw up there too.

Oh, well. You are a good guy freak and we can argue sematics all you want anyday. I appreciate all you bring to the board and I appreciate you calling me out. It helps when some one holds you accountable, now if DWIL would just hold himself accountable ;D

[bpc]

Well a couple things here...

It looked like we had a bunch of blown coverages by our secondary in general. I'm sure it wasn't all DWill's fault.

As that is, he said he wants to be like Champ... champ shut down a sure fire hall of famer and went after DWill's ass and he ended up being the weak link... over and over. This should stick in his gut every time he is on the practice field. You want to be like Champ... make them pay for testing you... gotta make a big play. JUST one stop and we could have won the game.

The best news is that there is no way that our defense could play any worse then we did in that 2nd half. We will get better.

[freak6]

Oh, well. You are a good guy freak and we can argue sematics all you want anyday.

Exactly. <b>You</b> said he had "over the top"/"deep" help all day, not me. When in fact he had no help on the two posts that Wayne ran, or on the stop and go. Wayne didn't even stop, he just chopped 3 times. That stop/go/stop, man I can't get over that route. Anyway...


He also said there was miscommunication on another play which led to Wayne being wide open. That miscommunication was Williams guessing Clark on an out on the second TD and covering no one instead of following Wayne.
Here I think you are reaching, maybe on one of the two posts, but you saw as well as I did Ferguson and or Lynch hypnotized at the goalline with Darrent trailing Wayne. He actually didn't really trail, he just let him to to where he thought the help was gonna be. If there was a miscommunication, it was on the Safeties. Who makes the call? The Safeties. Maybe the crowd should have shut up so we could hear our signals!!! lol.

To take what you think would have corrected the situation a step further though. You hypothesize that Darrent should have "stayed with Wayne". Well I have played a ton of cornerback, and the only way to stop a quick post is to bump the WR off his route or in man to man shade to the inside off the snap. If you are trailing the route you are toast without inside help because even if Darrent HAD stayed with Wayne, Peyton <b>led him perfectly as he leaped up and snared the pass thrown over his shoulder</b>. Perfect trailing coverage would not have helped vs an accurate pass like that, he had to have inside help.

Unless...he had guessed on the route right and shaded to the inside to get inside position to make a play on the ball/break it up.

But...if he does guess right, and did cut off the post, that would have left the entire left side of the endzone open, and you know as well as I do, with all that time, and the routes the Colts recievers run all have options based upon the coverage, Wayne would have just ran an out, pushed off probably with his right arm, and caught an easy TD by himself in the flat.

I think Darrent played it right, cover the outside and force the WR to where he expected Lynch or Ferguson to be. I remember seeing Lynch standing at the goalline dumbfounded that Peyton actually threw right to the spot he vacated.

Whatever the case, my main point is that Darrent was left singled on Wayne on those 3 TDs, so let's not cruscify the kid to hard. Was anyone so harsh to Champ when Rothlisberger pump faked him out of his jock in the AFCCG, or when Bledsoe came right back after the pick 6 and did the same?

Yet you slam Darrent for doing the same thing Champ did! I'm not trying to say Darrent = Champ, but let's be fair in our analysis. I agree with just about everything else you said btw.

If nothing else it was a learning experiance. Hopefully you know who makes some kind of adjustment next time.

[Cito Pelon]

Just now looking at the tape, and Dwill gets worked over by Wayne and Manning on the first TD drive - aided and abetted by a nice PR from Indy, ST's didn't help the cause this game - first Dwill is as lost as any CB I've ever seen when Wayne stutters like it's a stopandgo, and DWill turns his back and never even looks back to see that Wayne has curled. Mediator mentioned DWill was playing at times like he was looking to get cute and intercept, wasn't taking care of "job one." Yeah, it did look like that at times.

Then on the TD post, Lynch moves up toward the LOS, and there isn't even anybody there for him to cover. Nobody is anywhere near his area. He fell asleep on the field it sure looked like. Ah well, that's a good Indy O. The team came close, dammit, but they needed Champ to intercept, and the one chance he had, he didn't get it. DW had a chance IMO that would have been the play of the game, but never got his head around, and the ball went right over his head for the go ahead TD with what, 3:35 left or something like that.

[WoodMan]

Pride comes before the fall. All that brash talk last week about how good he was, (D-dub's pride) and the fall came when Reggie Wayne owning him like a red headed step child. Hope he learned his lesson and keeps his mouth shut and lets his play do his talking on the field. All the board talk about how the pass rush giving Pay Me A Ton passing time is mostly bunk. Manning wasn't checking down to secondary recievers; he didn't have too; except on the two point conversion. D-dub played a poor game. Lets hope he has a short memory and can get back after it against the Squeelers.

[flair]

I am putting this game on DVD and it is amazing the time Manning had and ammount of throws he had over 15 yards

[Sodak]

These guys know waaaay more about football than I do. I will continue to STFU.

[rovolution]

D-Will audio interview is up.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=1862&audioID=364&type=audio&year=&month=

[Mediator12]

So, Darrent missed two red zone coverage calls and self admittedly screwed up the last TD coverage. But its not like I was getting beat all day ;D

Then, the classic we did not change the coverage's all day. Yeah, this coming from the guy who was not sure what coverage they were in on two TD passes. WOW! Way to pass the buck DWil. It's not like they beat you on comeback's six times. This defense is not designed to give up comeback's either. It's freakin scary that he can even claim he has an idea about what they were trying to do at this point.

[troya900]

So, Darrent missed two red zone coverage calls and self admittedly screwed up the last TD coverage. But its not like I was getting beat all day ;D

Then, the classic we did not change the coverage's all day. Yeah, this coming from the guy who was not sure what coverage they were in on two TD passes. WOW! Way to pass the buck DWil. It's not like they beat you on comeback's six times. This defense is not designed to give up comeback's either. It's freakin scary that he can even claim he has an idea about what they were trying to do at this point.

I just got to laugh though. Listen to Shanahans audio press conference from Oct. 30. He actually was sticking up for Dwill and said he had a good game. Hate to bring up plummer in this thread, but it makes me laugh how all the plummer supporters turned to shanahan claiming it wasn't all plummers fault when it's pretty obvious in the earlier games it WAS plummers fault and he had played like ass for about 6 games.

[freak6]

Darrent got phone calls from all his coaches to bring up his spirits!!! ha haa. Poor kid. I hope he rebounds.

From the interview, and the facts of what happened, it's obvious the wheels fell off our red-zone defense. Darrent is now talking trash about the D-line, and the co-ordinators, saying we never changed. He said Peyton changed, but the coaches never adjusted. Wow. I'm pretty shocked at that interview. For being crispy, he got baited into some stupid answers.

[theAPAOps5]

I can see where he is coming from but man he needs to STFU and learn from what being a tampon feels like. I saw a few of those plays where I think he thought it was zone and released Wayne, only problem He realeased to no one since Lynch had cheated up into the 4th LB position to make sure Clarke was covered. Williams got toasted and started panicing plain and simple.

Hopefully he sits down with Champ and goes over some tape so that he can learn proper decision making. I saw some plays by Champ that were awesome. There was one double move route by Harrison where Champ was positioned perfectly to take away the double move fake or the short route. Teach Darrent that Champ! And teach him to man up

[freak6]

I think I know what move you are talking about. My favorite was when Marvin put the double move on Champ, he had the curl covered, and Marvin had a step on him, but Champ recovered so fast and beat Marvin back deep and nearly picked it off. Guy is ridiculous.

[Mediator12]

I think I know what move you are talking about. My favorite was when Marvin put the double move on Champ, he had the curl covered, and Marvin had a step on him, but Champ recovered so fast and beat Marvin back deep and nearly picked it off. Guy is ridiculous.

Yep, they went after Champ three times in a row on that first series and were LUCKY to get a defensive contact penalty and completion since Harrison ran into Bailey's chest. After that, they threw one pass to his side of the field the rest of the game. And, that pass was to reggie wayne on a deep in that took six seconds to come open.

His technique, speed, and acceleration are un-Paralleled. Without Injury, he has been awesome this year. Dwil just needs to refine his technique and play the coverage. Nothing else he can do, but learn and get better at this point.

[cabronco]

I think I know what move you are talking about. My favorite was when Marvin put the double move on Champ, he had the curl covered, and Marvin had a step on him, but Champ recovered so fast and beat Marvin back deep and nearly picked it off. Guy is ridiculous.

That was an amazing play by champ, he recovered so fast , he had a chance for a pick if the ball was thrown better. That was about the only ball that wasnt on target.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Well, just listening to Channel 4 News as I am typing and they are reporting that the Wayne receptions were not all DW's fault , but were a result of "miscommunication between the DBs". Also say almost every big completion in the second half came when Broncs came out of base defense and blitzed. Just repeating what I heard. :)

[BroncoBuff]

you guys need to lay off the guy he is a damn fine player !!!!!!!

He's a damn fine player, yes - but had he been playing the ball on that last TD - we'd be 6-1.

Shanny had nothing but good things to say at his presser - that "people don't understand," that D-Will is only responsible for the deepest 1/3 of the field ... funny, that last TD was in the deepest 1/3 of the field Uhh

[fdf]

Anyone know where I could catch the Darrent Williams postgame interview? Was it a local station that aired it. I looked on KUSA, and they didn't have it.

If not, can someone summarize what he said? I keep hearing about it, and wonder what all the fuss is about.

I didn't hear it; but I have read reports. Basically, he said that he had thought he played badly until he saw the game tapes. Now he thinks he played pretty well. He mentioned that Roc Alexander had given up over 200 yards to Wayne and Darrent had held him to only 138 yards. Good job, Darrent!

[fdf]

Well, just listening to Channel 4 News as I am typing and they are reporting that the Wayne receptions were not all DW's fault , but were a result of "miscommunication between the DBs".

Well, that means they "miscommunicated" on virtually every pass play in the second half. Manning completed almost all of his passes in the second half to Wayne.

Play One:
"Was that my man? I thought you had him."

Play Two:
"Was that my man? I thought you had him."

Play Three:
"Was that my man? I thought you had him."

. . .

I'm not buying it.