In hindsight, Coyer must Man-up

[Willynowei]

You do what makes you successful, and you keep doing it untill someone corrects you, then you go make corrections and do it again.

But in Hindsight, i remember in 2003, when Indy Played Tampa. Personally, the 2002 Bucs are my favorite defense that I ever watched. They were fast, deadly and extremely tough on any quarterback. They had fast linebackers, smart, quick corners and the best D-line in football. A year later they were the same tough defense.

I believe it was monday night football, when after a half of play the bucs looked as tough as they ever did against Manning who was struggling to that point....

What did Manning score? 31 points on the Bucs in 1 quarter?

Manning is very good and if your defense isn't creative, or is too simple, he'll beat you. You just have to either get immense pressure or disguise what you are doing. Denver did a very poor job today.

My point is, Denver is most certainly short on D-line talent. But i think we had enough to work with on Defense to force the Colts into enough mistakes for the offense to win after their 31 point performance. Talent difference in this league is not as big as people make it out to be, they can all play. And the fact is, I doubt we would allow 31 points with some creative blitz packages to force just one mistake on one third down for a punt.

The coverage was not that bad today, the throws were spot on, the reads though were easy. I have to admit i don't watch enough of Payton Manning. He throws a perfect ball, i mean perfect. ANd he does that consistantly. I think you have to blitz and you have to force bad reads or sacks. Coverage can't defeat the perfect ball. Wayne rarely had more than a step on Darrent today, Peyton hit him ever time.

I don't care what article has annointed COyer for the performance of his defense. I know that I'm happy he's adjusted from a season to season basis. Now i want to see him create an aggressive gameplan that looks like he stole one out of Belicheck's playbook.

[-Slap-]

I agree with what you're saying to an extent. There is a difference between a more aggressive gameplan and completely changing your scheme, though. Defensive coordinators are understandably reluctant to radically alter the way they do things because you're greatly increasing the number of things that can go wrong.

No doubt a bend but don't break style of play is slow death against a team that executes as well as Indy. I don't think the New England example is particularly relevant because they play a 3-4 and physical 3-4 defenses appear to be Peyton's Achilles heel.

[ScottXray]

We blitzed some in the second half. Didn't matter..they picked em up.

No one got close to Peyton!

We could have disrupted him better if we used some pre snap motion and faked Blitzes .

The key to Peyton is to Move the defense around pre-snap. Set one way then shift to something else. Do that LATE so he can't change the play...We had the twelth man helping out with that too.

Coyer came out in the exact same look on 90% of the plays. A couple of small shifts on the D-line sometimes. We played our base zone defense...way too much.

No safety help rotated over to Dwills side and the best corner we have never got in the game.

Peyton is smart....He doesn't throw at Champ...so at least make him look around to see where he's at.

Our scheme was BAD today.

[Popps]

Look, I like Coyer... but I've also said that he's had some marginal results since he's taken over... and today is another example.

Yes, he's gotten a lot out of his talent, but 34 points today? C'mon. It's another big-game melt-down by his defense. This wasn't just a so-so performance, this was just god-awful.

Same way against Pitt in the playoffs, same way against Indy the last the last few playoff embarrassments.

At what point do we start asking if the guy is doing things correctly?

I mean, those who expect our offense to be our defense in these kinds of games got their answer today.... it's not.

Our defense has collapsed because of THEIR OWN ****ty play in these games. Some of it is talent up front, but it's fair to hold Coyer accountable to some extent.

But, he was man enough to admit that he's made mistakes in the past, maybe he learns from this and makes the best adjustments he can next time. I just hope he gets a chance to redeem himself against Indy this year.

[BLAZE]

We blitzed some in the second half. Didn't matter..they picked em up.

No one got close to Peyton!

We could have disrupted him better if we used some pre snap motion and faked Blitzes .

The key to Peyton is to Move the defense around pre-snap. Set one way then shift to something else. Do that LATE so he can't change the play...We had the twelth man helping out with that too.

Coyer came out in the exact same look on 90% of the plays. A couple of small shifts on the D-line sometimes. We played our base zone defense...way too much.

No safety help rotated over to Dwills side and the best corner we have never got in the game.

Peyton is smart....He doesn't throw at Champ...so at least make him look around to see where he's at.

Our scheme was BAD today.

100% agree! I don't understand why we didn't at least try that. It seems simple. Show Peyton a defense, allow him to change the play then switch the defense to something else. This way Peyton is always guessing what the defense switched to. As much as Peyton changes plays the defense needs to do the same.

[Kaylore]

I would have liked more adjustments, especially when everyone knew who he was going to throw the ball to before he even dropped back.

That said, it's not his fault that our defensive line is "average" or that our best player on the interior is injured. I think one thing that killed us that no one is talking about is how we were giving up 5 yards a carry to Addai. If we could have forced more third and long situations it would have been to our advantage.

[Willynowei]

I would have liked more adjustments, especially when everyone knew who he was going to throw the ball to before he even dropped back.

That said, it's not his fault that our defensive line is "average" or that our best player on the interior is injured. I think one thing that killed us that no one is talking about is how we were giving up 5 yards a carry to Addai. If we could have forced more third and long situations it would have been to our advantage.

Shanahan in the post game talked about how the gameplan was to focus on the pass first and react to the run. "But obviously we would've liked to get a little more pressure than we did".

Thats your answer right there, and i mentioned it before, we were running a lot of stunts and loops and the colts got big running lanes off them. The sad thing is even with all those stunts and loops we weren't getting pressure, this became especially apparent to me towards the end of the game when the colts no longer needed to mix it up. It was just straight back drops...

[JCMElway]

The other thing I would have liked to have seen was press coverage. D Will was respecting Wayne way too much and backing off 5 yards each play. He may have burned him anyway, but I think you have to get in his face and be physical with a bump at the LOS to at least try and disrupt his rhythm.

The other thing I'd like to see is Champ go over and take on the speedier Wayne and let DWill take on Harrison. It may be pick your poison, but I think It'd be a better matchup for us.

And Dwill is only in his 2nd year. I think comparing him to Roc is harsh. Roc was miles away from Wayne for most of the playoff game. DWill was at least in the neighborhood. (As much of a consolation as that is.)

[Sir Mawn]

I would have liked more adjustments, especially when everyone knew who he was going to throw the ball to before he even dropped back.

That said, it's not his fault that our defensive line is "average" or that our best player on the interior is injured. I think one thing that killed us that no one is talking about is how we were giving up 5 yards a carry to Addai. If we could have forced more third and long situations it would have been to our advantage.

I'd like to think so but something tells me Manning would've killed us with a "long" comeback route to Reggie Wayne.:oyvey: :oyvey:

[BroncoSoja]

We blitzed some in the second half. Didn't matter..they picked em up.



I don't call having your LB's 5 yards off the ball and then comming "Blitzing"....

That "Blitzing" today was horrible, I have never seen Denver look so feeble in blitz attempts.. Usually they move up to the line and come, that crap they did today was horrible.. Add that to the fact that our scary ass CB's where almost 10 yards off the WR's and we just looked horrible out here today. And we could not stop the run and you just have a all around beatdown.

Like I said before I have no clue in the world why I was arguing with people at work last friday that our Defense is just as good as Chicago's or SanDiego... We might have had a off game, but it was one hell of a off game..All our weakness were clearly exposed.

This Defense is good no doubt, but they are nowhere near the top 3 in the NFL.

[spdirty]

From what I saw, I thought we blitzed the hell out of em that last drive. Just felt like nothing would work in the second half today. Hopefully we will get another crack at em though.

[anthonypacino]

No pressure at all from the D-line, Elvis got into the backfield but couldn't collapse the pocket, Manning got to step up on every throw and had waayy to much time, CB's can't cover forever. We didn't get beat deep so they adjusted and ran comebacks all day, they took what we gave them. Sloppy tackling came around again as Wilson, Gold whiffed a few times allowing them huge chunks of yardage when they ran making a 2nd and long into a 3rd and short or converting. Only twice did I see a defensive player caught out of postion and it was Lynch twice on two TD passes, Manrino looked him off like a rookie.

[TheChamp24]

Our "blitzes" were complete crap. Oh, lets send our LB's who are 5 yards off the ball at Peyton, they will SURELY get there on time to disrupt him! Heck no they won't. What I think we needed to do was what we did against Dallas last year, although it would've been risky as hell, but put 9 men on the line of scrimmage, and send different guys at different times.
We did give Peyton the SAME look basically every down, it was pathetic.

[Willynowei]

I'm not sure why our corners can't switch it up to bump coverage, why our linebackers can't force the Tightends inside on release and harass them as they try to break free. I'm not sure why we don't hide and show blitzes, or try different zone schemes and complicate things for Peyton.

If our defense is so good, our defensive playbook should be a little bit deeper than just off-man and cover 2.