Officials blew it -

[ZONA]

When Jake was wrapped up, before the ball was coming out, two tacklers had engulfed him and the ref blew the play dead. Not because Jake was down by contact on the ground, because he was "IN THE GRASP". You don't need to be down by contact when they rule "IN THE GRASP" or even "FORWARD PROGRESS". So once the whistle blows, everybody stops playing and we don't even think to get on the ball so they go ahead and reward the Colts? That's F U K E D. If I was Shanny, I would send a nice letter to the league about that one.

[Barry Ramey]

I agree. I could have sworn they blew the whistle making the play dead before anyone recovered the fumble. As soon as teh whistle blows, the play is dead whether there really was a fumble or not.

[phillybroncosnut]

Wrong...

I would elaborate but when you're talking to someone who says "the refs blew it", there is no need to elaborate. Everything you say will fall on deaf ears

[phillybroncosnut]

I agree. I could have sworn they blew the whistle making the play dead before anyone recovered the fumble. As soon as teh whistle blows, the play is dead whether there really was a fumble or not.

Wrong also. New rule this season...... you can review a play whether the whistle blows or not.

[troya900]

Honestly, quit whining about that play. Look it was clear fumble and trying to get a copout by calling him down or "in the grasp" is weak. The defense on the drive after that TO had a third and goal from what like the 8 yard line or so and again melted down and gave up a TD pass. Not to mention besides that they drove on the Broncos ALL second half. If the D just nuts up on 1 or 2 possessions in the second half the game is probably won. Last thing to do is whine about the refs because of a play that was clearly a fumble.

[WakeUpCall]

When Jake was wrapped up, before the ball was coming out, two tacklers had engulfed him and the ref blew the play dead. Not because Jake was down by contact on the ground, because he was "IN THE GRASP". You don't need to be down by contact when they rule "IN THE GRASP" or even "FORWARD PROGRESS". So once the whistle blows, everybody stops playing and we don't even think to get on the ball so they go ahead and reward the Colts? That's F U K E D. If I was Shanny, I would send a nice letter to the league about that one.

First of all I disagree, that ball was already coming out – you’re just biased. However, would that Shanni-Note also include his sincere appreciation for all the blatant holds committed by the Denver O-Line (in the wide open field) that they didn’t call?

Get over it – you simply lost a close game.

[DomCasual]

Let's not play the "We got screwed by the refs" card. It's lame on so many levels.

[theAPAOps5]

Wrong also. New rule this season...... you can review a play whether the whistle blows or not.

Yes you are right on the continuation rule. But I think a loophole has kind of been exposed. There is another rule called in the grass, we all know what it is. So if a whistle blows for in the grass which is what I thought they were doing on that play and then a player swipes the ball is it a fumble? Today it was but does that mean next week it will be. They could come out and say that they had called the QB down and therefore the play was stopped. In fact we have seen that come back to bite a team last week, I believe Dallas, when Bledsoe was called down but had just thrown the ball as the whistle blew or a little after.

Unfortunately the call worked away from our favor, who knows maybe in the coming weeks it will come back for us.

[phillybroncosnut]

They pretty much eliminated the in the grasp rule. Haven't seen it called in a handful of years now.

[theAPAOps5]

They called grasp, I don't know why I thought grass, last week on Bledsoe just after he passed to the RB for a first down.

But yeah the way I see it the grasp is gone. One of the few times a rule has taken away another rule ment to protect the QB.

[theAPAOps5]

First of all I disagree, that ball was already coming out – you’re just biased. However, would that Shanni-Note also include his sincere appreciation for all the blatant holds committed by the Denver O-Line (in the wide open field) that they didn’t call?

Get over it – you simply lost a close game.

Yeah every team blatently holds, see the KC's offensive line for proof. In fact all teams hold b/c there is a fine line that all players walk when blocking. Or they blantently do it to protect a QB after they just blew their assignment. Heck I saw a few holds on the DE's for Denver today but just understand that is what happens.

Point being there are few cases to balme the refs and today clearly was not one of them.

[Popps]

Our defense blew it.

But, I'll need to watch the replay a few more times. It sure looked like his rump hit the ground and bounced up.

[ZONA]

Wrong also. New rule this season...... you can review a play whether the whistle blows or not.


I know you can review certain plays after the whistle but not in the case that a ref blows the play dead from "in the grasp" or "forward progress stopped". What you can do is review the play to see if the player was losing the ball before the play was called dead in the case of "in the grasp" or "forward progress stopped". If that ref blew the play dead because Jake was in the grasp, and it was obvious he did so, dead ball. Period. The refs blew that one in my opinion. I think the head ref just assumed the other ref that was first to blow the whistle just though he was calling Jake down by contact.


It's no cop out - it's the rules. And the "holding" thing. GImme a break dude. I could find holding on every play of every team if you looked. Get real

[theAPAOps5]

Replay will show his rump bounced off the ground, only problem was the ball was out before that.

[Man-Goblin]

He has a good point....I remember a Pittsburgh game a couple weeks ago where if anyone even got close to Rothlisberger they would blow the whistle for in the grasp....

But like I said before; it didn't matter if the Colts had it on the 13 or the 47 after a punt. They would have walked down the field anyway.

[Kaylore]

Wrong...

I would elaborate but when you're talking to someone who says "the refs blew it", there is no need to elaborate. Everything you say will fall on deaf ears

Yes. These threads suck. The officials did a great job of getting out of the way and letting the guys play.

[Killericon]

Let's not play the "We got screwed by the refs" card. It's lame on so many levels.

Not to mention inaccurate. Let's hypothetically say that that fumble call was incorrect. It was one play. We had time to recover, we did, then our Defense coughed a hairball. There is NO way of saying that if the fumble hadn't been called as such, that we would've won. No way.

Let it go. We lost the game on Indy's last drive.

[baja]

Plummer's ass hit the ground so hard he bounced up that's when the ball came out but that is not why we lost the game. We lost because we could not stop Manning - one punt, one!

[baja]

I'll tell ya why we lost that game it's because that damn Champ Baily failed to get another int in the end zone. Without Baily's incredible plays we are a 500 team.

[Breck Bronc]

The biggest mistake was by our punting unit taking so long to get the snap off after Plummer fumbled, allowing Dungy time to look at the replay and throw his challenge flag. I was sitting there saying, "snap it, snap it" because they were taking so long and I knew it was a close play.

I guess Indianapolis still would have gotten good field position even if we punted and they probably would have marched right down the field like they did the entire second half.

[Rascal]

They pretty much eliminated the in the grasp rule. Haven't seen it called in a handful of years now.

Try Bledsoe last week. But you are correct.

[mattbeymvp]

This isn't New England, take this stuff somewhere else.

[dbfan4life]

Wrong also. New rule this season...... you can review a play whether the whistle blows or not.

They pretty much eliminated the in the grasp rule. Haven't seen it called in a handful of years now.

BS, they used is last weekend when Drew Bledose was spun aroung while in the defenders grasp. He completed the pass but the blew the play dead...in the grasp. Very well could have been applied to Jake as well.

[theAPAOps5]

That is why there is a loophole. You can now go back and cancel out the in the grasp call and say he was going to fumble.

[dbfan4life]

That is why there is a loophole. You can now go back and cancel out the in the grasp call and say he was going to fumble.

Yeah, I know. I was just calling BS on Philly saying it hadn't been used in a handful of years when it was just used last week.

Plus, a loophole isn't something that should exist in the NFL rulebook. That belongs to a courtroom drama or something!

[~Crash~]

in the grasp was were plmmer was and in a very bad place to get hit with a cheap shot that is why the reff blew the wistle.. life goes on but still not the greatest call ever that is for sure.

[theAPAOps5]

I know it sucks unfortunately nothing will change until the end of the year and even then I don't think it will. And you are right In the Grasp is called at least a few times a week.

[OrangeShadow]

playing the ref card? come on now. we lost because of a lack of ANY pass rush and darrent not being able to cover a lick on wayne. We also had A LOT of missed tackles.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Let's not play the "We got screwed by the refs" card. It's lame on so many levels.

Exactly. We're not Raider fans here...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

When Jake was wrapped up, before the ball was coming out, two tacklers had engulfed him and the ref blew the play dead. Not because Jake was down by contact on the ground, because he was "IN THE GRASP". You don't need to be down by contact when they rule "IN THE GRASP" or even "FORWARD PROGRESS". So once the whistle blows, everybody stops playing and we don't even think to get on the ball so they go ahead and reward the Colts? That's F U K E D. If I was Shanny, I would send a nice letter to the league about that one.
No silly, when a QB takes off running he becomes a ball carrier and has to be tackled to end the play, no such thing as "IN THE GRASP" once that happens.

And he CLEARLY fumbled the ball.

[KCbroncos]

Exactly. We're not Raider fans here...

This is also what I hear on sports radio in KC when the Chiefs get "screwed". The media darling #18, no pass rush, and lack of defensive adjustments got us beat, plain and simple.