Youtube has a movie called obsession, great movie. [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Barry Ramey

11-06-2006, 02:21 PM

Yep, I saw it as well and it's very disturbing. Especially the interview of the guy that made the video. He said he had to pick which footage to pick since the video would have lasted hours since there was so much footage on Arab TV of hate speech to pick from. The video alone shows a ton of hate speech, kill the Jews, kill the infidel, make the world Islamic, fight and kill for Allah, etc.

What's even worse is also indoctrinating the youth, just like Hitler did. Even had footage of a 3 year old muslim girl saying Jews come from monkeys and apes and she hates them. A 3 year old? And numerous other footage of kids spouting such hate.

There are still many in denial there is a problem to say the least. But there were many in denial about Hitler as well.

alkemical

11-06-2006, 02:42 PM

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/programming

Barry Ramey

11-06-2006, 09:02 PM

You'll notice the lefties would never watch such a film, much less the liberal media report on this video. Gasp, something negative about muslims preaching hate and kill? Nah, too busy writing the thousandth story about Foley, like anyone outside Florida knew of him in the first place, or this Haggerty or whoever, who was so big in the religious circles according to the media(I had never heard of this guy), the only time they do a story on him is about doing wrong and maybe illegal activity. It's not a coincidence much of the media decides to only do stories on religious leaders, make that Christian leaders, when they do wrong or just to simply bash. But do a report on muslim leaders telling their children to kill the infidel? Oh no, can't do that, we have to show tolerance and not interfere with their such nice and pleasant messages. Too busy waiting and hoping Robertson pulls a Kennedy so can write a million stories on that.

alkemical

11-06-2006, 09:14 PM

Funny,

CNN had done story about it -

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0609/15/gb.01.html

alkemical

11-06-2006, 09:17 PM

Ok, i watched it.

Honestly it wasn't anything 'new' - and i thought that it was a bit over dramatical - and of course i see the agenda in it.

the Wal*Mart movie is done much better.

Spider

11-06-2006, 09:41 PM

why is it the rightys need videos to remind them of who we are supposed to be fighting ?
is it the fog of war in Iraq that confuses them ?
perthaps the rightys dont have much of a memeory ..........

yavoon

11-06-2006, 09:59 PM

Ok, i watched it.

Honestly it wasn't anything 'new' - and i thought that it was a bit over dramatical - and of course i see the agenda in it.

the Wal*Mart movie is done much better.

thats overly cynical. I guarentee that most of the world has no idea what is being taught in the middle east nor do they have any idea how it relates and is similar to 1930's germany.

I think the west deserves to know what is being taught in the middle east and our media is letting us down.

Barry Ramey

11-07-2006, 05:05 AM

Bronco_Beerslug

11-07-2006, 05:30 AM

Oh, wow, CNN did one story on it. Meanwhile I'm sure they're on their 80th on Foley or Haggarty or whatever his name is. Yeah, anything the lefties don't like seeing, there just has to be an agenda. The footage they show is all staged I'm sure. Just like 9/11 was really staged as well. Funny how they believe knucklehead conspiracies and ignore the truth when presented, especially truth that doesn't match their belief system.
Look who showed up from mom's basement again to post his usual "liberal" and "cowards" drivel. So what's it's going to be hero, you going to back up your statement?

And this is old news and has been going on for years and years but accerlating under the Bush regime.

alkemical

11-07-2006, 06:56 AM

thats overly cynical. I guarentee that most of the world has no idea what is being taught in the middle east nor do they have any idea how it relates and is similar to 1930's germany.

I think the west deserves to know what is being taught in the middle east and our media is letting us down.

Actually that's where you are wrong. I learned about the wahabisim or however it's spelled when i was 17 and from the news.

Or maybe....

You have been manipulated to thinking that this is a bigger issue than it is. And if it isn't - then why hasn't anything been done to secure america's borders, etc?

Maybe the threat isn't what these nice propoganda films like to enhance.

yavoon

11-07-2006, 10:46 AM

Actually that's where you are wrong. I learned about the wahabisim or however it's spelled when i was 17 and from the news.

Or maybe....

You have been manipulated to thinking that this is a bigger issue than it is. And if it isn't - then why hasn't anything been done to secure america's borders, etc?

Maybe the threat isn't what these nice propoganda films like to enhance.

what logic are u operating on? if middle eastern media/education wasn't a bigger issue america would secure the borders? ur weird, ur operating under some bizzarre assumption that it isnt a big issue because we haven't seen more done.

nothing has been done because the world is sleeping. ur bizarre handwaving argument against evidence like this is uninspiring:(.

this is a huge issue, we are sleeping on it, and we will pay for it. but atleast we can understand the scope of the issue better if the media would make us aware of the education/media situation in the middle east.

yavoon

11-07-2006, 10:53 AM

man I thought this would bring ppl together. obviously though the liberals appear to believe that its not a big issue, or its mostly bush's fault anyway.

wow.

Barry Ramey

11-07-2006, 10:58 AM

Look who decided to come up for air from his head up his butt. Back up what? That you know very little about anything that goes on not found on lefty blogs? I think you do good proving that for me, thank you. Did you see the video? Nope, but think you know all about it anyway, right tough guy?

Look who showed up from mom's basement again to post his usual "liberal" and "cowards" drivel. So what's it's going to be hero, you going to back up your statement?

And this is old news and has been going on for years and years but accerlating under the Bush regime.

Barry Ramey

11-07-2006, 11:04 AM

Yep, it's because they hate Bush more than they do these killers. They'd rather do what Europe did and wait until it becomes a problem in their country and then worry about it. Sounds stupid, but that's their mentality. Oh yeah, Muslims are still burning down streets in France as we speak. Great going Chirac. Notice how CNN and the lefty media refuses to report much on it and when they do, the criminals are never labeled as "muslim" either. Oh gosh, don't want to offend anybody. Next story on CNN, let's don't offend anyone that will riot, so let's talk about how corrupt Christians are and their misguided religion.

man I thought this would bring ppl together. obviously though the liberals appear to believe that its not a big issue, or its mostly bush's fault anyway.

wow.

TailgateNut

11-07-2006, 11:07 AM

Yep, it's because they hate Bush more than they do these killers. They'd rather do what Europe did and wait until it becomes a problem in their country and then worry about it. Sounds stupid, but that's their mentality. Oh yeah, Muslims are still burning down streets in France as we speak. Great going Chirac. Notice how CNN and the lefty media refuses to report much on it and when they do, the criminals are never labeled as "muslim" either. Oh gosh, don't want to offend anybody. Next story on CNN, let's don't offend anyone that will riot, so let's talk about how corrupt Christians are and their misguided religion.

You got it wrong again. We hate Bush AS MUCH as the Terrorists and the Fake Evangelical Rightous!

Bronco_Beerslug

11-07-2006, 11:12 AM

Look who decided to come up for air from his head up his butt. Back up what? That you know very little about anything that goes on not found on lefty blogs? I think you do good proving that for me, thank you. Did you see the video? Nope, but think you know all about it anyway, right tough guy?
Hey hero, let's find out who the cowards are and who aren't. I'll PM you my address and you come down and we'll have a face to face. But if you rather PM yours and I'll be happy to come to your mom's to figure out why you are calling people cowards. Any problem with this?

TailgateNut

11-07-2006, 11:18 AM

Bronco_Beerslug

11-07-2006, 11:22 AM

Who did he call cowards?He labeled everyone here and anywhere else probably, who he considers as "democrats or liberals" as "yellow dogs" for not agreeing with Bush's agenda.

Pretty "brave" of him wouldn't you say?

Spider

11-07-2006, 11:22 AM

Who did he call cowards?

everyone that disagrees with Bush no matter if they served or not ........Barrey is ducking him , Barrey knows he let his Cadilliac mouth overload his Datsun ass ............

DBruleU

11-07-2006, 11:23 AM

Hey hero, let's find out who the cowards are and who aren't. I'll PM you my address and you come down and we'll have a face to face. But if you rather PM yours and I'll be happy to come to your mom's to figure out why you are calling people cowards. Any problem with this?

That's got to be the dumbest thing I've read from you in awhile.

"Well I'll give you my address, and you give me mine, and we'll see whos scared..."

Right. ::)

TailgateNut

11-07-2006, 11:27 AM

That's akin to "Open Mouth, Insert Foot". I'd like to have someone get in my face and tell me I'm a coward for questioning what "their" president is doing to our country. I guarantee two things: One of us is going to the hospital and one of us is going to jail (if they catch me)!

Spider

11-07-2006, 11:30 AM

Idont know where the Dems got the rep as being weak ............
iface alot of Republicans every day ( roughnecks , in the oil patch)
they dont call me a coward , I tell them they are full of Shít when they are .....
Barrey would wet himself ....... Yavoon would offer to do sexual favors ........

TheDave

11-07-2006, 11:31 AM

well this is going about as well as can be expected...

TailgateNut

11-07-2006, 11:32 AM

well this is going about as well as can be expected...

LOL Hilarious! LOL It is Election Day!:sunshine:

yavoon

11-07-2006, 11:38 AM

I'm bummed, how did this become about bush? bush is like the plummer of politics.

TailgateNut

11-07-2006, 11:43 AM

I'm bummed, how did this become about bush? bush is like the plummer of politics.

YOU started the thread about terrorists, we're just playing along!

yavoon

11-07-2006, 11:46 AM

YOU started the thread about terrorists, we're just playing along!

ruh roh!

Barry Ramey

11-07-2006, 12:30 PM

Oh, I'm so scared. Go back to your beer and wetting your bed next to your blowup doll. I bet you make more sense when you're drunk anyway. What a tough guy, threaten someone over the net. But this is the type of crap lefties do, so thank you for showing what I've been saying. You are a coward, void of ideas and can't think for yourself either. You stated I called veterans cowards, yet no such post exists, so now you even change your accusation from that. And you think I'd waste my time trying to meet you? For what? You give me all the laughs I need from a distance Hilarious!

Oh and because I don't agree with you about Bush, makes me someone who supports Bush on all matters? Um yeah, research just how many posts I have made supporting all of Bush's policies. Just because I believe there is a war against muslim terrorists, doesn't mean I agree with Bush on everything. But you're too intolerant to make that connection, but you're sure a tough guy though LOL

Hey hero, let's find out who the cowards are and who aren't. I'll PM you my address and you come down and we'll have a face to face. But if you rather PM yours and I'll be happy to come to your mom's to figure out why you are calling people cowards. Any problem with this?

Spider

11-07-2006, 12:40 PM

Oh, I'm so scared. Go back to your beer and wetting your bed next to your blowup doll. I bet you make more sense when you're drunk anyway. What a tough guy, threaten someone over the net. But this is the type of crap lefties do, so thank you for showing what I've been saying. You are a coward, void of ideas and can't think for yourself either. You stated I called veterans cowards, yet no such post exists, so now you even change your accusation from that. And you think I'd waste my time trying to meet you? For what? You give me all the laughs I need from a distance Hilarious!

Oh and because I don't agree with you about Bush, makes me someone who supports Bush on all matters? Um yeah, research just how many posts I have made supporting all of Bush's policies. Just because I believe there is a war against muslim terrorists, doesn't mean I agree with Bush on everything. But you're too intolerant to make that connection, but you're sure a tough guy though LOL

in other words ............`Help mommie the big mean man is going to beat my ass

Bronco_Beerslug

11-07-2006, 01:41 PM

Oh, I'm so scared. Go back to your beer and wetting your bed next to your blowup doll. I bet you make more sense when you're drunk anyway. What a tough guy, threaten someone over the net. But this is the type of crap lefties do, so thank you for showing what I've been saying. You are a coward, void of ideas and can't think for yourself either. You stated I called veterans cowards, yet no such post exists, so now you even change your accusation from that. And you think I'd waste my time trying to meet you? For what? You give me all the laughs I need from a distance Hilarious!

Oh and because I don't agree with you about Bush, makes me someone who supports Bush on all matters? Um yeah, research just how many posts I have made supporting all of Bush's policies. Just because I believe there is a war against muslim terrorists, doesn't mean I agree with Bush on everything. But you're too intolerant to make that connection, but you're sure a tough guy though LOL
That's what I thought, Internet tough guy but won't back up his statements. Pretty easy to call people a coward from mom's basement but when called on it doesn't have the stones to to be a man.

The offer stands anytime little boy, if you ever grow a pair let me know. Better yet let's do a face to face before a Bronco game sometime if you're in the area?

alkemical

11-07-2006, 02:53 PM

what logic are u operating on? if middle eastern media/education wasn't a bigger issue america would secure the borders? ur weird, ur operating under some bizzarre assumption that it isnt a big issue because we haven't seen more done.

nothing has been done because the world is sleeping. ur bizarre handwaving argument against evidence like this is uninspiring:(.

this is a huge issue, we are sleeping on it, and we will pay for it. but atleast we can understand the scope of the issue better if the media would make us aware of the education/media situation in the middle east.

Yeah, you know that old saying "actions speak louder than words". You can have someone say "i'll do this" over and over again. But if nothing is being done, how much stock do you put in what they say? You want to say my logic is warped, fine - but at least it's in some sembelance of reality.

Maybe i happen to care that there are fewer americans going to school for engineering and sciences, and OUR educational problems - than some boogey man that's trumped up as a much bigger issue than what it is.

yavoon

11-07-2006, 03:00 PM

Yeah, you know that old saying "actions speak louder than words". You can have someone say "i'll do this" over and over again. But if nothing is being done, how much stock do you put in what they say? You want to say my logic is warped, fine - but at least it's in some sembelance of reality.

Maybe i happen to care that there are fewer americans going to school for engineering and sciences, and OUR educational problems - than some boogey man that's trumped up as a much bigger issue than what it is.

what kind of weirdass deflection is this now? now ur trying to slide in our own education system? I mean wth?

seriously though, u and neville chamberalain? good friends. what was done about the nazi's? I mean if they were such a threat shouldn't we have done something? I mean sure we traded land for peace....I mean u'd think the world would learn about something like that wouldn't u?

Atlas

11-07-2006, 05:09 PM

He labeled everyone here and anywhere else probably, who he considers as "democrats or liberals" as "yellow dogs" for not agreeing with Bush's agenda.

Pretty "brave" of him wouldn't you say?

Actually Yellow Dog democrats came about it the early South. Before the Civil Rights movenment the South used to belong to the Democrats, The old saying was that they would vote for a "yellow Dog" before they would vote for a republican.

That's a pretty great saying but I'm a "Dirty Dog Democrat."

alkemical

11-07-2006, 08:55 PM

what kind of weirdass deflection is this now? now ur trying to slide in our own education system? I mean wth?

seriously though, u and neville chamberalain? good friends. what was done about the nazi's? I mean if they were such a threat shouldn't we have done something? I mean sure we traded land for peace....I mean u'd think the world would learn about something like that wouldn't u?

Wow, that's right - in history class - we didn't **** about the Nazi's until pearl harbor was bombed by the Japanese.

So other than a propaganda film, which got heavy plugging on 'conservative media outlets' provide to me how terrorists effect me in south central PA on a basis to the fact that i have to worry about them more than the dumb ass who can't drive because they are talking on their phone, or the dumb asses who refuse to learn how to spell and write coherently, albeit they prove my point about the sad state of the U.S. Educational system.

I'm sorry you live in fear on a daily basis noovay. I don't.

yavoon

11-07-2006, 09:16 PM

Wow, that's right - in history class - we didn't **** about the Nazi's until pearl harbor was bombed by the Japanese.

So other than a propaganda film, which got heavy plugging on 'conservative media outlets' provide to me how terrorists effect me in south central PA on a basis to the fact that i have to worry about them more than the dumb ass who can't drive because they are talking on their phone, or the dumb asses who refuse to learn how to spell and write coherently, albeit they prove my point about the sad state of the U.S. Educational system.

I'm sorry you live in fear on a daily basis noovay. I don't.

how much did hitler affect americans in central pennsylvania in 1937?

so lets recount, u used bizarre deflection, a totally stupid argument about border security and now ur fantasizing about me living in fear? whats next? what great argument am I gna be privy to next? its almost like christmas morning and ur response will be like me opening a present of stupidity.

Barry Ramey

11-08-2006, 04:23 AM

Again, you make no sense. Go back to your bedwetting tough guy. I hope you have no kids so they don't have such a poor example of a pretend man who challenges people to fights over the internet, who we both know wouldn't show up anyway. So go back to your dolly, or I'm sorry, wife and show it how much a man you are Hilarious!

That's what I thought, Internet tough guy but won't back up his statements. Pretty easy to call people a coward from mom's basement but when called on it doesn't have the stones to to be a man.

The offer stands anytime little boy, if you ever grow a pair let me know. Better yet let's do a face to face before a Bronco game sometime if you're in the area?

Bronco_Beerslug

11-08-2006, 04:55 AM

Again, you make no sense. Go back to your bedwetting tough guy. I hope you have no kids so they don't have such a poor example of a pretend man who challenges people to fights over the internet, who we both know wouldn't show up anyway. So go back to your dolly, or I'm sorry, wife and show it how much a man you are Hilarious!

It's Internet tough (the little boy who calls people cowards who disagree with the Bush cartel). Pretty obvious you don't have the stones to back your pathetic posts.

I gave you my address, back up your words hero. Let me know if you need a detailed map to my front door, I'll be happy to provide you with one. If it's too much for you to come here, let me know where you are and I'll be happy to meet you face to face to discuss your problem with me and everyone else here that you have labeled as cowards.

alkemical

11-08-2006, 06:42 AM

how much did hitler affect americans in central pennsylvania in 1937?

so lets recount, u used bizarre deflection, a totally stupid argument about border security and now ur fantasizing about me living in fear? whats next? what great argument am I gna be privy to next? its almost like christmas morning and ur response will be like me opening a present of stupidity.

No you must have already recieved that present. But i would be happy to buy you a copy of hooked on phonics.

You wanted to talk about muslim terrorists, and yet as our country is at war we did nothing to secure the boarders at all. Now i could be mistaken, but that's a pretty stupid thing to do WHEN YOU ARE AT WAR!.

Again my fears of the US Education system are validated everytime you post.

You obviously fear muslim terrorists, or you wouldn't push a movie that is no better than if M. Moore had done it.

My concerns and worries have more to do with this country and righting the ship. Everything else falls into place. Sticking our nose in everyone's business is part of the reason we got to where we are today - for better and worse.

yavoon

11-08-2006, 08:33 AM

No you must have already recieved that present. But i would be happy to buy you a copy of hooked on phonics.

You wanted to talk about muslim terrorists, and yet as our country is at war we did nothing to secure the boarders at all. Now i could be mistaken, but that's a pretty stupid thing to do WHEN YOU ARE AT WAR!.

Again my fears of the US Education system are validated everytime you post.

You obviously fear muslim terrorists, or you wouldn't push a movie that is no better than if M. Moore had done it.

My concerns and worries have more to do with this country and righting the ship. Everything else falls into place. Sticking our nose in everyone's business is part of the reason we got to where we are today - for better and worse.

so the muslim threat goes up and down w/ our education system, ur internal concerns and border security.

it doesn't respond to the tides too does it? and I'm glad ur able to tell me how I live, thats definitely effective arguing.

Barry Ramey

11-08-2006, 08:44 AM

Oh, you scare me so, now you're "internet tough?" Geez, do you realize how stupid that sounds? What a moron. Just how old are you? You appear to be a teenager. I have labeled you a coward since that is what people are that challenge people to fights over the net who don't live anywhere near you. But someday you will make that mistake to someone who thinks your worth it, and you'll see just how smart a move that was. You can't back up anything you say and can't even get right what I posted before either, so I had to conclude not only a moron but a dummie. But keep challenging me to fights and show why your thoughts are pretty meaningless if this is how you show tolerance and open-mindedness. "Yeah, agree with me or I will fight you." Stupid.

It's Internet tough (the little boy who calls people cowards who disagree with the Bush cartel). Pretty obvious you don't have the stones to back your pathetic posts.

I gave you my address, back up your words hero. Let me know if you need a detailed map to my front door, I'll be happy to provide you with one. If it's too much for you to come here, let me know where you are and I'll be happy to meet you face to face to discuss your problem with me and everyone else here that you have labeled as cowards.

Barry Ramey

11-08-2006, 08:46 AM

That of course is how lefties "debate." Personal remarks and even challenge you to fights if you don't see things their way. But it's great how tolerant they are isn't it? :rofl:

so the muslim threat goes up and down w/ our education system, ur internal concerns and border security.

it doesn't respond to the tides too does it? and I'm glad ur able to tell me how I live, thats definitely effective arguing.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-08-2006, 08:49 AM

That of course is how lefties "debate." Personal remarks and even challenge you to fights if you don't see things their way. But it's great how tolerant they are isn't it? :rofl:Here's how it works hero, you call people cowards you better have the conviction of your words and will to back them up or put on your panties, which is it hero?

Barry Ramey

11-08-2006, 09:01 AM

TailgateNut

11-08-2006, 09:04 AM

That of course is how lefties "debate." Personal remarks and even challenge you to fights if you don't see things their way. But it's great how tolerant they are isn't it? :rofl:

....how do your remarks make you anymore mature. You throw out "bedwetter, talk about his wife, call him a moron, a dummie, a teenager, a coward....should I go on. Hypocrite!
....here's my prediction: someone would smack you in the mouth if you had the hutzbahs to actually say these things to their face.
....certain terms tend to piss most people off, and you are escalating this issue be resorting to the same tactic you criticize!

Bronco_Beerslug

11-08-2006, 09:08 AM

Yeah, back it up means, according to you, traveling the country to find a bedwetting idiot to fight. You are a coward and your own posts are my back up since you continue to think it takes courage to challenge people to fights over the net. But keep making your threats since I will save them. They might come in handy down the road genius :-*
If you're so sure I'm a coward I'll give you every opportunity to make your case. Once again hero, put on your panties or have the stones to back your words. You have my address, right? If that's too inconvenient for you to come here, PM your address and I'll come to you so we can figure out why you think I'm a coward, face to face.

BTW, I haven't threatened to put my boot in your ass but I have made it clear I'll give you the opportunity to act like a man and back up your words face to face.

TheDave

11-08-2006, 09:12 AM

Slug, Barry give it a rest... This isn't going anywhere.

Barry Ramey

11-08-2006, 09:18 AM

ROFL!

If you're so sure I'm a coward I'll give you every opportunity to make your case. Once again hero, put on your panties or have the stones to back your words. You have my address, right? If that's too inconvenient for you to come here, PM your address and I'll come to you so we can figure out why you think I'm a coward, face to face.

alkemical

11-08-2006, 09:51 AM

so the muslim threat goes up and down w/ our education system, ur internal concerns and border security.

it doesn't respond to the tides too does it? and I'm glad ur able to tell me how I live, thats definitely effective arguing.

Your reading comprehension is only surpassed by your ability communicate with the written word.

yavoon

11-09-2006, 08:40 PM

Your reading comprehension is only surpassed by your ability communicate with the written word.

this is the end game for all arguments as weak as urs, degradation to grammar/spelling assaults.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obsession+radical+islam+part&search=Search

ant1999e

11-09-2006, 08:48 PM

Funny,

CNN had done story about it -

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0609/15/gb.01.html

Glenn beck seems a little to the right to me.

alkemical

11-09-2006, 08:52 PM

this is the end game for all arguments as weak as urs, degradation to grammar/spelling assaults.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obsession+radical+islam+part&search=Search

I'm sorry that your lack of education in reading and grammar doesn't allow for you to follow conversation.

You wanted to talk about terrorists and this 'supposed' problem we have - but you fail to address that the core elements that aren't in place if this is truly a problem. We are reportedly "at war with terrorists". yet we do nothing to secure the borders. I mean, wasn't that rule one in any education of war-fare? Shin Tzu wrote about that forever and a half ago.

So obviously if it's not a big enough deal to worry about securing the border - i'm not going to worry about it - since viola! It's not a problem.

Here's some **** you should watch instead:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fake+terrorism&search=Search

I can't help it you don't understand about the use of psychological warfare used in subtle ways to coherece and manipulate a segment of society. You say you refute the charge of being fearful - but if you weren't scared - you wouldn't have such an issue with this.... now would you?

It's ok to be scared - you've been led down that path to believe that this is how it is and this is why it is. Yet you fail to see the actions of the US and Britain have setup the Muslim terrorist factories since the overthrow of the shah since he was going to nationalize oil fields instead of letting the capitalists exert control over his country with currency.

By continuing to stick our nose, right or wrong - in their business over in the middle east - we only validate the message that is being pumped into these farcical educational centers.

Maybe you should also watch 'cult of the suicide bomber' as well. Also read up on the use of psyops in terms of military application and then see how it applies to the commercial markets.

Then re-watch the film.

You are PMSing because i knocked your propaganda movie. It's ok - i don't like anything i watch.

yavoon

11-09-2006, 09:01 PM

I'm sorry that your lack of education in reading and grammar doesn't allow for you to follow conversation.

You wanted to talk about terrorists and this 'supposed' problem we have - but you fail to address that the core elements that aren't in place if this is truly a problem. We are reportedly "at war with terrorists". yet we do nothing to secure the borders. I mean, wasn't that rule one in any education of war-fare? Shin Tzu wrote about that forever and a half ago.

So obviously if it's not a big enough deal to worry about securing the border - i'm not going to worry about it - since viola! It's not a problem.

Here's some **** you should watch instead:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fake+terrorism&search=Search

I can't help it you don't understand about the use of psychological warfare used in subtle ways to coherece and manipulate a segment of society. You say you refute the charge of being fearful - but if you weren't scared - you wouldn't have such an issue with this.... now would you?

It's ok to be scared - you've been led down that path to believe that this is how it is and this is why it is. Yet you fail to see the actions of the US and Britain have setup the Muslim terrorist factories since the overthrow of the shah since he was going to nationalize oil fields instead of letting the capitalists exert control over his country with currency.

By continuing to stick our nose, right or wrong - in their business over in the middle east - we only validate the message that is being pumped into these farcical educational centers.

Maybe you should also watch 'cult of the suicide bomber' as well. Also read up on the use of psyops in terms of military application and then see how it applies to the commercial markets.

Then re-watch the film.

You are PMSing because i knocked your propaganda movie. It's ok - i don't like anything i watch.

ur assumption that if this was a problem it would be solved is childish and laughable, as was ur petty deflection on education, ur inane drivel about grammar.

and I'm not PMSing, obviously though this is another stage in ur fantasizing about me, first I live in fear now I PMS. is this how u argue? what will I magically be doing in ur mind next? does it work better than facing reality?

alkemical

11-09-2006, 09:06 PM

ur assumption that if this was a problem it would be solved is childish and laughable, as was ur petty deflection on education, ur inane drivel about grammar.

and I'm not PMSing, obviously though this is another stage in ur fantasizing about me, first I live in fear now I PMS. is this how u argue? what will I magically be doing in ur mind next? does it work better than facing reality?

You just deflected all my points and in several posts. You can't address anything because you have no point to make. I make the spelling and grammar knocks, because well - if you are in school - you should really spell a bit better - and you should also have better reading comprehension. But then when you fall for a propoganda movie - i guess the pieces fit.

You obviously don't understand the basic tenants of what a country does or should do to win a 'war'. Are we at war? Is it the war on terror? If we are at war, why hasn't anything been done to secure the border and slow illegal immigration?

BECAUSE THE GOV'T DOESN'T WANT TO!

Until you can present anything other than a real weak banter on "ohh i say u dflct bcuz i cant refute what u say and i cant back up what i say".

Good bye, next time i hit the drive through i'll try to remember to tip you.

yavoon

11-09-2006, 09:18 PM

You just deflected all my points and in several posts. You can't address anything because you have no point to make. I make the spelling and grammar knocks, because well - if you are in school - you should really spell a bit better - and you should also have better reading comprehension. But then when you fall for a propoganda movie - i guess the pieces fit.

You obviously don't understand the basic tenants of what a country does or should do to win a 'war'. Are we at war? Is it the war on terror? If we are at war, why hasn't anything been done to secure the border and slow illegal immigration?

BECAUSE THE GOV'T DOESN'T WANT TO!

Until you can present anything other than a real weak banter on "ohh i say u dflct bcuz i cant refute what u say and i cant back up what i say".

Good bye, next time i hit the drive through i'll try to remember to tip you.

omg u've exposed us! because we haven't secured the border obviously there is no threat!

honestly if thats ur logic thats just pathetic, there is no need to deflect logic that fundamentally bankrupt. just reading it makes me laugh.

yavoon

11-09-2006, 09:19 PM

oh and lets add to the list, I live in fear, I'm PMSing, I work at a fast food restaurant.

this must be how u come up w/ all ur ideas, just make it up. probably works good I'd imagine, unless of course u tell someone else about ur ideas then it probably all goes to hell, like here.

alkemical

11-10-2006, 01:47 PM

no wonder you bought this movie hook line and sinker.

yavoon

11-11-2006, 11:43 PM

on a similar note, and not to make a new thread. I've talked to maybe 2 dozen muslims now and most support murdering people for apostasy.

I think this is indicative of how immoderate a lot of muslims we hope are moderate really are.

yavoon

11-12-2006, 12:28 AM

Barry Ramey

11-12-2006, 10:24 AM

Yeah, but the lefties won't believe it until their backyards are on fire. Forget France continues to burn from Muslims not getting their way and other nations in Europe having similar problems, it just could never happen in this country. Right. Let's just pretend it's not happening. In fact, let's get in sich a state of denial and pretend our government made 9/11 happen so get Muslims of the hook and we'll believe it's the Jews and the U.S. that are terrorists.

Omar M. Ahmad, chairman of the board of the Council on American-Islamic relations(CAIR)

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth,"

I thought this was interesting.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-12-2006, 10:43 AM

Omar M. Ahmad, chairman of the board of the Council on American-Islamic relations(CAIR)

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth,"

I thought this was interesting.
Did you? Did actually investigate to see if Ahmad actually said this? CAIR denies it and this is from WND (http://tinyurl.com/ym392b)...

Her article also paraphrases Ahmad saying, "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith but to become dominant."

Do you have a link to the actual text?

yavoon

11-12-2006, 12:35 PM

Did you? Did actually investigate to see if Ahmad actually said this? CAIR denies it and this is from WND (http://tinyurl.com/ym392b)...

Do you have a link to the actual text?

http://www.danielpipes.org/394.pdf

CAIR denies a lot of things.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-12-2006, 12:38 PM

http://www.danielpipes.org/394.pdf

CAIR denies a lot of things.
Once again, do you have a link to the actual text and not the reporters paraphrasing?

Her article also paraphrases Ahmad saying, "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith but to become dominant."

yavoon

11-12-2006, 12:51 PM

Once again, do you have a link to the actual text and not the reporters paraphrasing?

u could call the reporter/newspaper if u want.

Those who have closely watched the news regarding CAIR in recent years might be familiar with Omar Ahmed. He was CAIR’s founding Board Chairman, a position he held until May 2005. He is also the former president of the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) – the parent organization of CAIR that closed down after a federal court found them liable as a front for the terrorist organization, HAMAS, in the death of an American teenager killed in a HAMAS attack (see Joe Kaufman’s article “Death of a Terror Lobby”). According to testimony by counterterrorism expert Steve Emerson, author of American Jihad, before the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Terrorism in February 1998, “IAP has issued Hamas communiques calling for the killing of Jews, produced training videos for Hamas operatives, and actually recruited for Hamas in the United States.”

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/394

Bronco_Beerslug

11-12-2006, 01:05 PM

u could call the reporter/newspaper if u want.
I don't.

yavoon

11-15-2006, 09:39 PM

cnn headline news has a peace similar on right now. probably too late to let ppl know but whatever.

yavoon

11-27-2006, 02:47 AM

and here is the headline news thing on youtube. they took down the obsession movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PWIK8YTZS8&eurl

yavoon

12-08-2006, 02:35 AM

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/trailer.htm

they have trailers up for the separate parts for the ADD among us.

Bronco Bob

12-08-2006, 03:05 AM

omg u've exposed us! because we haven't secured the border obviously there is no threat!

honestly if thats ur logic thats just pathetic, there is no need to deflect logic that fundamentally bankrupt. just reading it makes me laugh.

So you are saying if there is a serious threat to the US, securing the
borders ISN'T a priority? That if there is this massive hoard of Muslims
ready to rush in and slit our thoats, just go ahead and leave the borders
open and let them in?
If someone were out to kill me, the first thing I would do is buy some really
good locks for my doors and windows. But then that's just my logic.

yavoon

12-08-2006, 03:12 AM

So you are saying if there is a serious threat to the US, securing the
borders ISN'T a priority? That if there is this massive hoard of Muslims
ready to rush in and slit our thoats, just go ahead and leave the borders
open and let them in?
If someone were out to kill me, the first thing I would do is buy some really
good locks for my doors and windows. But then that's just my logic.

no, I want border security. that post was in response to the idea that because we haven't secured the border there is obviously no threat. which is dubious and inane logic.

Bronco Bob

12-08-2006, 03:32 AM

no, I want border security. that post was in response to the idea that because we haven't secured the border there is obviously no threat. which is dubious and inane logic.

Why not? We are supposed to be at war. Securing the borders would seem
to be the first thing to do. Especially because we were attacked by people
who were right here in the US. It's not like those 19 Saudis flew the planes
all the way from Mecca. One can only conclude that the government
doesn't take the threat of Muslim extremists seriously. At least not
seriously enough to seal off the borders. What logic would dictate the
US not seal off its borders in a time of a perceived threat?

yavoon

12-08-2006, 04:02 AM

Why not? We are supposed to be at war. Securing the borders would seem
to be the first thing to do. Especially because we were attacked by people
who were right here in the US. It's not like those 19 Saudis flew the planes
all the way from Mecca. One can only conclude that the government
doesn't take the threat of Muslim extremists seriously. At least not
seriously enough to seal off the borders. What logic would dictate the
US not seal off its borders in a time of a perceived threat?

because its a hard thing to do politically, as should be pretty damn evident. u face a lot of interests against u that have nothing to do w/ terrorism.

and to my knowledge none of the terrorists in 9-11 ran across the mexican border.

though certainly I agree that the border shoudl be secure, its infantile logic to assume that us not securing it implies there is no threat.

Bronco Bob

12-08-2006, 04:09 AM

because its a hard thing to do politically, as should be pretty damn evident. u face a lot of interests against u that have nothing to do w/ terrorism.

and to my knowledge none of the terrorists in 9-11 ran across the mexican border.

though certainly I agree that the border shoudl be secure, its infantile logic to assume that us not securing it implies there is no threat.

But some did attempt to cross the Canadian border in 2000 to try to
attack Seattle, the Space Needle being one of their targets. Fortunately
those ones were discovered and stopped.

yavoon

12-08-2006, 04:11 AM

But some did attempt to cross the Canadian border in 2000 to try to
attack Seattle, the Space Needle being one of their targets. Fortunately
those ones were discovered and stopped.

do u support canadian border security? not even I want to spend the money on that.

Barry Ramey

12-08-2006, 12:35 PM

defenseman

12-08-2006, 01:13 PM

Not closing the borders is nothing but politics and so many have become lax since there hasn't been an attack after 9/11. I mean, look how long it took to get approval for just a 700 mile fence that may not even go up anyway. Apparently there needs to be some more attacks for some politicians and people to get the idea of what's going on. If people think these islamists will be content to just stay in Europe and kill people they are in for a rude awakening.

Unfortunately you may be correct. It will, it appears take another 9/11 to get a wake up call out. And, unfortunately again, next one will be worse that 9/11. We are going to be in significant harms way very soon if iraq is not handled in the proper manner, this includes iran....dman

*The folks out there saying the islamic extremists aren't a threat, well, they'll be hearing the ever enduring, 'I told you so'. The bad guys just simply aren't going to put their toys away and go home. Pull out of iraq incorrectly, leave blood in the water, they'll swarm like sharks to the kill.

Bronco Bob

12-09-2006, 03:21 AM

do u support canadian border security? not even I want to spend the money on that.

But if the concern is to keep terrorists out, what good does it do
to just seal the Mexican border? When the border with Canada
is much longer. And in the last proven incident in which terroists
snuck across the border, they did it by way of Canada, not Mexico.

yavoon

12-09-2006, 03:34 AM

But if the concern is to keep terrorists out, what good does it do
to just seal the Mexican border? When the border with Canada
is much longer. And in the last proven incident in which terroists
snuck across the border, they did it by way of Canada, not Mexico.

because I trust the canadians a lot more, I think we can work w/ the canadians against terrorism, whereas mexico is a quasi-failed state and has neither the resources nor the inclination to stop much of anything.

since u've been pretty aloof so far though, what would u do w/ the borders? lets hear a stance here.

mosca

12-09-2006, 03:54 AM

do u support canadian border security? not even I want to spend the money on that.
YES - both borders need to be sealed off and secured, Canadian and Mexican. It's not a matter of spending money - it's a matter of preventing those who wish this country harm from entering. There is no doubt that terrorists seek to enter this country - they have been caught entering from Canada and there have been several reports of them entering or attempting to, from Mexico - do a Google search or I can find some articles for you.

It's not a matter of which direction they will try to enter from - North border, South border, or simply trying to enter legitimately via student Visa - they are trying and will continue to. Anyone who tries to pretend otherwise is sleeping.

yavoon

12-09-2006, 04:16 AM

YES - both borders need to be sealed off and secured, Canadian and Mexican. It's not a matter of spending money - it's a matter of preventing those who wish this country harm from entering. There is no doubt that terrorists seek to enter this country - they have been caught entering from Canada and there have been several reports of them entering or attempting to, from Mexico - do a Google search or I can find some articles for you.

It's not a matter of which direction they will try to enter from - North border, South border, or simply trying to enter legitimately via student Visa - they are trying and will continue to. Anyone who tries to pretend otherwise is sleeping.

it is though. canada has more money and better governance than mexico has, IMO america would not do significantly better stop terrorists than canada would do, we have terorirsts in the US should we seal off minnesota from wisconisn? and yes it is a matter of money too, I'm sorry that upsets any sensibilities u have, but it is a matter of money. to 'seal' the mexican border will cost billions upon billions of dollars, I don't know what it would take to build a fence and maintain it, but some ungodly amount. canada has an even longer border and it will provide even less benefit.

and I'll even take it farther, its much more about money than ppl realize. the terrorists aren't killing americans to have dead ppl, they're killing americans to paralyze our economy. they're not dumb, they know that 3000 americans at a wack doesn't dent us in any sociological way. but the billions upon billions of dollars we spend in response, or the billions we lost because of the disruption? now thats something.

just look at statistics, more ppl die in bathtubs, or car accidents, or by homocide, and probably a bunch of other really mundane things.