Allens Revenge

[spdirty]

Perfect timing too. But I think the bigger question is, when did Pelosi and Reid know about this?? I think there should be an investigation.

http://drudgereport.com/flashaw.htm



ALLEN'S REVENGE: EXPOSES UNDERAGE SEX SCENES IN OPPONENT'S NOVELS
Thu Oct 26 2006 20:05:37 ET

Sen. George Allen, R-VA, unleashed a press release late Thursday that exposed his rival's fiction writing, which includes graphic underage sex scenes.



The press release, as provided by the Allen Campaign:

WEBB’S WEIRD WORLD

The Author’s Disturbing Writings Show a Continued Pattern of Demeaning Women

· Some of Webb’s writings are very disturbing for a candidate hoping to represent the families of Virginians in the U.S. Senate.

· Many excellent books about the United States military and wartime service accomplish their purposes, and even win awards, without systematically demeaning women, and without dehumanizing women, men and even children.

· Webb’s novels disturbingly and consistently – indeed, almost uniformly – portray women as servile, subordinate, inept, incompetent, promiscuous, perverted, or some combination of these. In novel after novel, Webb assigns his female characters base, negative characteristics. In thousands of pages of fiction penned by Webb, there are few if any strong, admirable women or positive female role models.

Why does Jim Webb refuse to portray women in a respectful, positive light, whether in his non-fiction concerning their role in the military, or in his provocative novels? How can women trust him to represent their views in the Senate when chauvinistic attitudes and sexually exploitive references run throughout his fiction and non-fiction writings?

· Most Virginians and Americans would find passages such as those below shocking, especially coming from the pen of someone who seeks the privilege of serving in the United States Senate, one of the highest offices in the land:



– Lost Soldiers: “A shirtless man walked toward them along a mud pathway. His muscles were young and hard, but his face was devastated with wrinkles. His eyes were so red that they appeared to be burned by fire. A naked boy ran happily toward him from a little plot of dirt. The man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down, and put the boy’s penis in his mouth.”

Bantam Books, NY, 1st Edition, 2001, (hard cover), page 333.
Quote is from para. 10,.Chap. 34.

– Something to Die For: "Fogarty . . . watch[ed] a naked young stripper do the splits over a banana. She stood back up, her face smiling proudly and her round breasts glistening from a spotlight in the dim bar, and left the banana on the bar, cut in four equal sections by the muscles of her vagina."

William Morrow and Company, Inc., NY 1991, 1st Ed. (hardcover), p. 36.
Avon Books, New York, 1992 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 35
Quote is from para. 29, Chap. 2 “The South China Sea,”, Section 2

– A Country Such as This: "[He] could see Jawbone and Ashley Asthmatic [two guards at a Vietnamese prison camp] napping together in the grass. They faced inward, their arms entwined. It looked like they were masturbating each other. It didn't surprise him. … It was common to see men holding hands, embracing, playing with each other. Some of them [the guards] had wanted him. He could tell in those evanescent moments between his bao cao bow, the obligatory deference when a guard entered his cell, and the first word or blow that followed it… Quick, grinding voices, turgid with repressed passion. An exploratory reaching of the hand near his groin…”

Doubleday & Co., Garden City, NY, 1983 (hardcover); page 396.
Bluejacket Books, 2001 (Trade paperback edition), page 396
Page numbers are the same in the Naval Institute Press (paperback) edition, 1983.
Quote is from fifth para, Part 5 “A Country Such As This,” Chap. 24, Section 1

– A Sense of Honor: “Nurse Goodbody, dark and voluptuous (Lenahan had forgotten her actual name, it was something long and Italian), was a bedtime friend to many of the doctors in Bethesda. She had hinted to Lenahan that she simply could not contain herself. Doctors tending to patients, she explained, aroused her. Morphine Mary (again Lenahan could not remember her exact name) was a thin, nervous drill sergeant type, a disciplinarian who did not allow her patients even to complain. Lenahan was convinced that Morphine Mary did not even sleep with her husband. She wasn’t bad looking, he mused again, staring at her thin frame. If she’d just get laid every now and then she’d mellow out and stop being such a damn witch.” (p. 164) (Lenahan brings Goodbody home with him and has sex, pp. 188-190)

Prentice-Hall, New York, 1981 (hardcover)
Bantam, New York, 1982 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 164
Trade paperback edition, Bluejacket Books, 1995, p. 164
Quote is from fourth para in Part 3, “Chapter 4:1600”

– Something to Die For: "[Fogarty] has been thinking of the firm, springy skin and the sweet smells of a young Filipina woman named Maria in whose bed he had spent three nights almost twenty years ago. . . . She was a deliciously bad young woman. . . . On the second night, he had brought her a box of Godiva chocolates . . . . he had awakened to find her in the bathroom, sitting on the toilet with her knees underneath her chin, eating chocolates and counting her rosary beads as she prayed."

William Morrow and Company, Inc., NY 1991, 1st Ed. (hardcover), p. 32.
Avon Books New York, 1992 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 30
Quote is from third para in Chapter 2 “South China Sea,”, Part 2

– Something to Die For: "We're on our way to becoming the world's recreational center, a nation [USA] not to be taken seriously. Where are we still the undisputed leader? Music. Movies. Fast food. Drugs. . . . the billboards fifty years from now as you come over the bridge and stop at the tollbooths outside Manhattan: A smiling beautiful naked woman, and the sign saying AMERICAN ASS IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT PRODUCT."

William Morrow and Company, Inc., NY 1991, 1st Ed. (hardcover), p. 199.
Avon Books New York, 1992 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 237
Quote is from para. 38, Chap. 13, Part 1, (five paras before Part 2).

– Fields of Fire: Snake (the protagonist) sees his mother on the bed: "She looked as if she were carefully attempting to re-create a picture from some long-forgotten men's magazine . . . . She was naked underneath the robe . . . . and the robe fell loosely away, revealing her. Snake shrugged resignedly."

Prentice-Hall, New York, 1978 (Hardcover, 1st edition), p. 8
Bantam Books "mass market [paperback] edition" published in Sept. 2001. p. 9.
Quote is from paragraphs 18-23, Part 1 “The Best We Have”, Section 1
(NOTE: Part 1 is after the Prologue)

– Fields of Fire: "He saw the invitation with every bouncing breast and curved hip. . . . He was thirteen. . . . She was fifteen . . . . In a few moments she drew him to her and he murmured in his quiet voice, 'I am still small.' 'You are large enough,' she answered. And he found he was."

Prentice-Hall, New York, 1978 (Hardcover, 1st edition), pp. 211-212
Bantam Books "mass market [paperback] ed." published in Sept. 2001, pp. 280-81.
Quote is from paragraphs 8-20, Part 2 “The End of the Pipeline,” Chapter 24

– A Sense of Honor: “… that is, if you knew who your sister was, Brustein, and if she’d been born with anything between her legs except an asshole, I’d be happy to bring some class to your low-rent name by knocking the bitch up.” (p. 223)

Prentice-Hall, New York, 1981 (hardcover)
Bantam, New York, 1982 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 223
Trade paperback edition, Bluejacket Books, 1995, p. 223
Quote is from 17th para in Part 4, “Chapter 7:1930”

– A Sense of Honor: “You wouldn’t have believed it, Swede. She just dropped her britches and lifted up her skirt and pissed like a man. Didn’t lose a drop, either. Not a drop.” (p. 183)

Prentice-Hall, New York, 1981 (hardcover)
Bantam, New York, 1982 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 183
Trade paperback edition, Bluejacket Books, 1995, p. 183
Quote is from 23rd para in Part 3, “Chapter 8: 2300”

END

[spdirty]

http://www.cnsnews.com/images/header_politics.gif
Webb Says His Novels 'Inappropriate' for News Radio
By Nathan Burchfiel
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
October 27, 2006

(Editor's note: Corrects quote in the 10th paragraph.)

(CNSNews.com) - In an interview on Washington Post Radio Friday morning, Jim Webb, the Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in Virginia, said excerpts of his novels are "a little bit inappropriate" to be read on news radio.

"I don't know why you're reading that on WTOP," Webb told host Mark Plotkin. "I think it's a little bit inappropriate."

Plotkin was reading an excerpt from Webb's novel "Something to Die For," in which Webb describes a female stripper performing sexual acts with a banana.

"I don't think that's appropriate for you to read on WTOP," Webb said again as Plotkin finished the excerpt. (Washington Post Radio is WTOP's sister station.)

The campaign of Republican Sen. George Allen on Thursday released excerpts from some of the war novels Webb wrote between 1978 and 2002. The books include some graphic sexual passages, as well as frequent uses of a racial slur for blacks and descriptions of Vietnamese women as "monkey-faced."

Among the excerpts is a scene from the 2002 novel "Lost Soldiers," in which a man embraces his four-year-old son and places the boy's penis in his mouth.

Webb said the release of the excerpts was "a Karl Rove campaign tactic" and a "classic example of the way this campaign has worked. It's smear after smear."

He defended his fiction as "illuminative."

"It's not a sexual act," Webb told Plotkin regarding the "Lost Soldiers" excerpt. "I actually saw this happen in a slum in Bangkok when I was there as a journalist."

"The duty of a writer is to illuminate the surroundings," he added.

Coincidentally, a Cambodian woman in Las Vegas is facing sexual assault charges for performing a similar act on her young son, according to an Oct. 14 report in the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

The article quotes an office manager for the Cambodian Association of America, who described the act as a sign of respect or love.

"It's an exception," Thira Srey told the Review-Journal of the practice. According to the report, the act is usually performed by a mother or caretaker on a child who is one year old or younger. In Webb's novel, the child is four years old.

Webb criticized the Allen campaign for focusing on excerpts from his novels.

"The most important issue facing the country, he hasn't got a statement to make on it," Webb said of the Iraq war. "This country's been breaking into pieces economically ... they've got no position on that.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200610/POL20061027c.html

[spdirty]

Oh and isn't this cute.

Webb on sex passage recital: 'It's smear after smear'

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RICHMOND, Virginia (CNN) -- The bitter Senate campaign in Virginia turned uglier Friday when the Republican incumbent pulled up sexual passages from novels written by his Democratic opponent, who called the move baseless character assassination.
In a news release and list of quotes posted Friday on the Drudge Report Web site, Sen. George Allen accused his opponent, former Navy Secretary Jim Webb, of "demeaning women" and "dehumanizing women, men and even children" through his fiction writings. At least two of the listed passages include children in sexual situations.
Allen's campaign did not include the press release and list of passages on its Web site, where press releases are generally posted.
There was, however, a Thursday statement from Chris LaCivita, general consultant for the Allen campaign, saying some references in Webb's novels are "disturbing" and "portray women as servile, subordinate and promiscuous." (Watch as Allen stirs the pot and Webb responds -- 2:16 (javascript:cnnVideo('play','/video/politics/2006/10/27/bash.va.racy.race.cnn','2006/11/03');))
Webb served in Vietnam and later led the Navy during the Reagan administration. He is running as a Democrat.
He has written six best-selling novels from 1978 to 2001, his Web site says. His writings have largely focused on war and military storylines, influenced by things he experienced.
The first quote describes a shirtless man picking up a naked boy who runs toward him. The book describes what happens after the man picks up the boy and turns him upside down. It comes from the 2001 book "Lost Soldiers."
Webb responded Friday morning on Washington Post radio. "Let me explain what that was," he said. "I actually saw this happen in a slum of Bangkok and when I was there as a journalist. A man placing his lips on his son's private parts. ... And the duty of a writer is to illuminate the surroundings.
"There is nothing that's been in any of my novels that, in my view, hasn't been either illuminating surroundings or defining a character or moving a plot," Webb said.
He added that he has "strong female characters" in his writings -- rejecting LaCivita's assertion that Webb's books portray women as "servile, subordinate and promiscuous."
The Allen campaign included several passages aimed at supporting that argument, including graphic sexual depictions and a quote from the 1981 book "A Sense of Honor," describing the character "Nurse Goodbody" as "a bedtime friend to many of the doctors in Bethesda" who had hinted "that she simply could not contain herself."
Webb told Washington Post radio that to pull excerpts from his writings "and force them on people, sort of, like pound them over the head with them," rather than having someone read the entire book "is just a classic example of the way this [Allen] campaign has worked. And you know, it's smear after smear."
"This is a Karl Rove campaign," Webb said, referring to President Bush's chief political strategist. "We have known this one was coming for quite some time."
Webb said advisers had warned him his opponent would pore over his novels to find incendiary passages. Webb accused Allen of not having "a record to run on" and attempting "character assassination."
The Allen campaign's attack came days after a Washington Post article headlined "Women's Vote Could Tip Close Contest." A Washington Post poll earlier this month found the two candidates virtually tied among female voters.
On Thursday, Webb's campaign posted a news release looking at parts of Allen's voting record with the headline, "George Allen Votes Against Victims of Sexual Assault and Domestic Violence." Allen has denied such complaints.
Allen's re-election bid has been dogged by complaints of racial insensitivity. Polls in mid-August showed him with a solid lead until he was caught on videotape referring to Webb campaign volunteer S.R. Sidarth, who is of Indian descent, as "Macaca." The term refers to a class of monkey.
Allen apologized repeatedly and said the term was something he made up. Later, two former associates told CNN that Allen used a racial epithet to describe African-Americans -- allegations Allen and other former associates denied vigorously.
Sexual scenarios in fiction novels by prominent political and governmental figures have been controversial in the past. Webb, on Washington Post radio Friday, referred to one.
"I mean we can go and read Lynne Cheney's lesbian love scenes if you want to, you know, get graphic on stuff," he said.
Lynne Cheney, wife of Vice President Dick Cheney, wrote the novel "Sisters," published in 1981, which included lesbian love scenes.
Lynne Cheney responded Friday: "Jim Webb is full of baloney. I have never written anything sexually explicit." (Watch Lynne Cheney defend her novel, criticize Webb -- 10:18 (javascript:cnnVideo('play','/video/politics/2006/10/27/blitzer.lynne.cheney.cnn','2006/12/31');))
The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee sent out a news release Friday pointing to sexual passages in books by other GOP conservatives, including Dick Cheney's former chief of staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/27/webb.allen/

[SteveTensi13]

Come on SPdirty, you know just as much as I do the "mainstream" media will completely avoid this matter for the simple fact it is a demoncat being implicated and not a Repub. Double standard doesnt even describe it, its outright complicity to affect an election by a supposed neutral entity.

[spdirty]

Come on SPdirty, you know just as much as I do the "mainstream" media will completely avoid this matter for the simple fact it is a demoncat being implicated and not a Repub. Double standard doesnt even describe it, its outright complicity to affect an election by a supposed neutral entity.

Yeah, thats old news. It'll always happen which is why I don't watch Network news. Or ESPN. I just love hearing Webb whining about getting smeared after what he did.

[Spider]

ummmmmmmmm Drudge lied his ass off ......... Webb wrote nothing more then Lynn Cheney did in her book about Carpet munchers called sisters

[spdirty]

ummmmmmmmm Drudge lied his ass off ......... Webb wrote nothing more then Lynn Cheney did in her book about Carpet munchers called sisters

What about CNN and CNS??

[Spider]

What about CNN and CNS??

CNN I dont trust to much , and that Damn CNS is thrown at us here in Wyoming alot , they have a way of avoiding Bad news about Bush .......... they confirmed Tony snows Bush only said stay the course 8 times , despite video saying different ..........

[spdirty]

CNN I dont trust to much , and that Damn CNS is thrown at us here in Wyoming alot , they have a way of avoiding Bad news about Bush .......... they confirmed Tony snows Bush only said stay the course 8 times , despite video saying different ..........

Fine. Here. Pick one. Im sure you could get plenty of info on his novels.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Jim+Webb+novels+&btnG=Search

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

The Gary Studds deflection didn't work, so now they're trying another.

Too funny. :D

[Spider]

Fine. Here. Pick one. Im sure you could get plenty of info on his novels.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Jim+Webb+novels+&btnG=Search

So this has what to do with Pelosi and Reid again ?
Surely you are not insinuating that what Webb did is the same as what Foley did ...... like I said there is nothing in Webbs Books that isnt in Cheneys book .......
And you never heard me speak of Cheneys book , same with Webb ........ IE both books writters are non stories

[Spider]

oh wait , I know what your and the right are doing .....Creating a story where there isnt one to take the Focus off of Rush and what he said about Fox .....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So this has what to do with Pelosi and Reid again ?

:giggle:

Exactly.

Surely you are not insinuating that what Webb did is the same as what Foley did ......

A sure sign of desperation, eh?

:D

[spdirty]

So this has what to do with Pelosi and Reid again ?
Surely you are not insinuating that what Webb did is the same as what Foley did ...... like I said there is nothing in Webbs Books that isnt in Cheneys book .......
And you never heard me speak of Cheneys book , same with Webb ........ IE both books writters are non stories


Its nothing more than a mudslinging ploy to get all the little ninnies panties all bunched up and to the polls, it is perfectly timed before an election and Allen is running with it. It will work and will give him the momentum necessary to get reelected.

I hate that it takes away from what the focus of what the election should be, which is issues, but it works, and Allen is a pretty damn good conservative, so yay for our side.

[spdirty]

oh wait , I know what your and the right are doing .....Creating a story where there isnt one to take the Focus off of Rush and what he said about Fox .....

What does Fox vs. Rush have to do with Allen vs. Webb?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I hate that it takes away from what the focus of what the election should be, which is issues...

Ha!

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I'm sure you really hate this sort of thing.

After all, you started this thread.

What more proof could we possibly need?

ROFL! ROFL! ROFL!

[Spider]

What does Fox vs. Rush have to do with Allen vs. Webb?
everything ........ Rush and Fox is all over the news Reps are taking a black eye , the Allen thing attempts to show that the Dems have thier demons also ..........

[spdirty]

everything ........ Rush and Fox is all over the news Reps are taking a black eye , the Allen thing attempts to show that the Dems have thier demons also ..........

And its gonna WORK!!!! And Allens gonna b****slap Webb like our defense will b****slap PEYTON!

Man I can't wait for this game

[Spider]

And its gonna WORK!!!! And Allens gonna b****slap Webb like our defense will b****slap PEYTON!

Man I can't wait for this gamewe willl see about Webb ...........but you are 100% on the money about our D

[spdirty]

we willl see about Webb ...........but you are 100% on the money about our D

Mike Shanahan and John Elway are Republicans

[spdirty]

Jake Plummer and Brian Griese are Democrats

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Mike Shanahan and John Elway are Republicans

Nobody's perfect. :D

[spdirty]

But Cutler is also a Republican.

[Spider]

Mike Shanahan and John Elway are Republicans

too many hits , it happens ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And its gonna WORK!!!! And Allens gonna b****slap Webb like our defense will b****slap PEYTON!


So the means - no matter how sleazy and dishonest - justify the end?

This just shows that you are afraid of a fair fight.

As usual.

[spdirty]

Man I can't wait till these damn elections are over so we can get some more frickin Man Law commercials. This is insane. Its like every damn commercial break is ad after ad after ad. Shlt

[ScottXray]

too many hits , it happens ;D

LOL LOL LOL :yayaya:

[spdirty]

So the means - no matter how sleazy and dishonest - justify the end?

This just shows that you are afraid of a fair fight.

As usual.

Has there ever been a fair fight in a political campaign in the last 42 years?

Its gotten down to who can sling the best mud, and Allen found some good stuff.

[Spider]

Man I can't wait till these damn elections are over so we can get some more frickin Man Law commercials. This is insane. Its like every damn commercial break is ad after ad after ad. Shlt

;D love those man law commercials ........ and normaly you be right , except I believe we are at a cross roads in the country ...... soon it will be over .... But I amde a post about inside the NFL . those talkking hair dos dont think Denver can hold the colts to under 20 points

[spdirty]

*cue scary music*Ed Perlmutter, he says he's gonna raise our taxes, then give illegal aliens billions in government benefits. But wait, it gets worse. Rogue nations are arming themselves with nuclear weapons, terrorists have made their declaration of war, and Ed Permutter wants to cut defense spending. Ed Perlmutter would put us all in danger. *Cue happy music*Rick O'Donnell is committed to defending America. And he'll say NO to tax hikes. And NO to Amnesty.

I mean the ad is so frickin corny its funny.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Has there ever been a fair fight in a political campaign in the last 42 years?

By "fair fight" I mean "referendum on the issues."

[spdirty]

;D love those man law commercials ........ and normaly you be right , except I believe we are at a cross roads in the country ...... soon it will be over .... But I amde a post about inside the NFL . those talkking hair dos dont think Denver can hold the colts to under 20 points

Bronco Billy said the Colts will be lucky to score. Last time he said that was Monday morning, right before we played the ratbirds.

BTW, I love NoRingo. I will never call him by his other name again.:notworthy

[spdirty]

By "fair fight" I mean "referendum on the issues."

Oh so in some podunk district in South Carolina or wherever it was when some democrat incumbent congressman tries to link the GOP challenger to pedophillia because of Foley thats a referendum on the issues?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Oh so in some podunk district in South Carolina or wherever it was when some democrat incumbent congressman tries to link the GOP challenger to pedophillia because of Foley thats a referendum on the issues?

Depends on whether there was, in fact, a link or not.

And Foley is an issue, i.e., do we want to put up with the corrupt status quo the republi-cons have created over the past six years, or do we want change?

http://www.bartcop.com/blind-gop-faith.jpg

[Spider]

Bronco Billy said the Colts will be lucky to score. Last time he said that was Monday morning, right before we played the ratbirds.

BTW, I love NoRingo. I will never call him by his other name again.:notworthy

I think we take the Colts .......... and thanks ..... the Noringo thing came a few years back when we had a bunch of Fish fans here whimpering about the Chambers hit ;D
it was a good time ...... if there is a downside to the Broncos being good it is the lack of rival fans ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

ummmmmmmmm Drudge lied his ass off ......... Webb wrote nothing more then Lynn Cheney did in her book about Carpet munchers called sisters

Cheney insisted that her lesbian love novel isn't sexual at all, even though it includes lesbian love affairs, brothels and attempted rapes:

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/10/lynne-cheney-tells-cnn-that-lesbian.html

[fido]

Is allen one of those chickenhawks?
webb most certainly is not, 3 silver stars and more

[spdirty]

Is allen one of those chickenhawks?
webb most certainly is not, 3 silver stars and more

But he wrote DIRTY NOVELS!!!!!!!!! Doesn't that mean anything to you? For the children?

[ClevelandBronco]

Okay, let's all agree that Lynn Cheney has written about controversial subjects.

What the hell does she have to do with the worthiness of Gen. Webb?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Is allen one of those chickenhawks?
webb most certainly is not, 3 silver stars and more

I remember reading his Vietnam novel "Fields of Fire" back in the late 70s.

Great book. :thumbsup:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Okay, let's all agree that Lynn Cheney has written about controversial subjects.

What the hell does she have to do with the worthiness of Gen. Webb?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

If someone wants to claim that Webb shouldn't be allowed to participate in public life because of the subject matter of a book he wrote, then the same thing applies to Big Dick's wife.

BTW, anyone remember the smutty, pedophilia and bestiality-laced books Scooter Libby wrote?

I don't recall anyone on the right objecting to those.

[ClevelandBronco]

The Gary Studds deflection didn't work, so now they're trying another.

Cheney insisted that her lesbian love novel isn't sexual at all, even though it includes lesbian love affairs, brothels and attempted rapes…

You really ought to cover your tracks better.

You just lost your privilege to charge anyone with pulling the "deflection" card.

[ClevelandBronco]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

If someone wants to claim that Webb shouldn't be allowed to participate in public life because of the subject matter of a book he wrote, then the same thing applies to Big Dick's wife.

Yeah. We shouldn't vote for her.

BTW, anyone remember the smutty, pedophilia and bestiality-laced books Scooter Libby wrote?

I don't recall anyone on the right objecting to those.

Yeah. We shouldn't vote for him.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You really ought to cover your tracks better.

You just lost your privilege to charge anyone with pulling the "deflection" card.

Sorry, but this doesn't work.

1) Pointing out the use of a deflection isn't the same thing as deflecting.

2) The second quote you erroneously attributed to me was actually from another author I quoted and was a direct response to a comment Spider made about Deadeye Dick's wife.

[ClevelandBronco]

Sorry, but this doesn't work.

Sorry, but it does.

You pointed out an attempt to deflect, then used a quoted source to deflect.

The hypocritical way you attempt to weasel out of your earlier positions is typical LA BS.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Sorry, but it does.

You pointed out an attempt to deflect, then used a quoted source to deflect.

The hypocritical way you attempt to weasel out of your earlier positions is typical LA BS.

Either your comprehension is slipping, or you're just making sh*t up as you go along.

The quote I posted re: Cheney was a direct response to a comment Spider made about Cheney's wife.

Now, had I posted the quote in question in response to spdirty's article, then you might have something, but I didn't, and you don't.

[ClevelandBronco]

BTW, anyone remember the smutty, pedophilia and bestiality-laced books Scooter Libby wrote?

More deflection?

Just walk away, LAFF. The thread will bury itself in time.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

More deflection?

Not at all.

Just a simple question which neither you nor your fellow BushCo cheerleaders care to field.

That is, why do the reich-wingers who would condemn Webb give Libby a pass for the same offense?

Inquiring minds want to know.



Just walk away, LAFF. The thread will bury itself in time.

Your argument was already six feet under two posts ago.

[ClevelandBronco]

Hey, here's an idea: Let's get back to Webb's perversions and the question of whether he should be elected.

I mean, LAFF, only if you're done discussing the various perversions of people who are not running for office, of course.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Hey, here's an idea: Let's get back to Webb's perversions and the question of whether he should be elected.

Knock yourself out.

It's not like someone is preventing you from discussing Webb if you're really so inclined.

I mean, LAFF, only if you're done discussing the various perversions of people who are not running for office, of course.

But wasn't Scooter a public office holder right up until his untimely fall from grace, ClevelandBushbot?

[ClevelandBronco]

But wasn't Scooter a public office holder right up until his untimely fall from grace, ClevelandBushbot?

"Bushbot" is all that's left in the tank?

Good night.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"Bushbot" is all that's left in the tank?


Maybe someday I can come up with something as creative and original as "LAFF."

[elsid13]

And its gonna WORK!!!! And Allens gonna b****slap Webb like our defense will b****slap PEYTON!

Man I can't wait for this game

Living in the Commenwealth, I can tell you that this race is to close to call. While Allen has slight lead- 48 to 44 %- he is fighting for his political life. webb has continue to come out and hit him hard.

Webb is most like to win the NOVA area, and Chesapeake Area and portions of Richmond. Allen need a really strong showing in the west and south.

[spdirty]

Living in the Commenwealth, I can tell you that this race is to close to call. While Allen has slight lead- 48 to 44 %- he is fighting for his political life. webb has continue to come out and hit him hard.

Webb is most like to win the NOVA area, and Chesapeake Area and portions of Richmond. Allen need a really strong showing in the west and south.

Then hopefully this little October surprise works and carries Allen over the top.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Then hopefully this little October surprise works and carries Allen over the top.

I guess an October surprise is your best hope when you can't win on the issues.

[spdirty]

I guess an October surprise is your best hope when you can't win on the issues.

Dude, are you that frickin shortsighted? We also have the corrupt VOTING MACHINES!!Booya!

[elsid13]

Oct Surprise my ass. There will fundamental shift in the power base in Congress. Seats like Allen were supposed to be secure, and are now to close to call.

Moderates across the board are getting sick of the current policy being advocated by select group of individual and cycle is turning.

[spdirty]

Oct Surprise my ass. There will fundamental shift in the power base in Congress. Seats like Allen were supposed to be secure, and are now to close to call.

Moderates across the board are getting sick of the current policy being advocated by select group of individual and cycle is turning.

corrupt voting machines

[Barry Ramey]

We know how it works. Republicans get personal attacks all day long and the media prints it whether it's true or not. A democrat gets personally attacked and it's a "smear" campaign and the media will portray it that way and won't bother to really find out if the attack was even true. This has been going on for at least 20 years but unfortunately for the democrats and most of the media, there is Fox that will investigate and talk radio, so getting away with this charade is not as easy as before when they controlled all the media. This is why lefties hate radio and Fox.

[elsid13]

We know how it works. Republicans get personal attacks all day long and the media prints it whether it's true or not. A democrat gets personally attacked and it's a "smear" campaign and the media will portray it that way and won't bother to really find out if the attack was even true. This has been going on for at least 20 years but unfortunately for the democrats and most of the media, there is Fox that will investigate and talk radio, so getting away with this charade is not as easy as before when they controlled all the media. This is why lefties hate radio and Fox.

Now that you told us what Rush thinks, what do you really think???

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Dude, are you that frickin shortsighted? We also have the corrupt VOTING MACHINES!!Booya!

That you do.

http://homepage.mac.com/rcareaga/diebold/little_die/Diebold_27a.jpg

[gunns]

We know how it works. Republicans get personal attacks all day long and the media prints it whether it's true or not. A democrat gets personally attacked and it's a "smear" campaign and the media will portray it that way and won't bother to really find out if the attack was even true. This has been going on for at least 20 years but unfortunately for the democrats and most of the media, there is Fox that will investigate and talk radio, so getting away with this charade is not as easy as before when they controlled all the media. This is why lefties hate radio and Fox.

Damn, I think I'm going to tear up. 20 years? LOL

[Barry Ramey]

I just did. But yeah, I know, since it didn't show up at dailykos or some other lefty website, it can't be true.

Now that you told us what Rush thinks, what do you really think???

[Spider]

Speaking of Allens revenge , whats the story with his arrest Warrents ?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/tom-slanderman.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Jim Webb Uses Weekend to Make a Punk of George Allen

I find it amazing that, after a couple of decades filled with endless streams of vicious attacks, smears and lies from the Republican party, so many Democrats still choose to respond with mild indignation and meek calls for a formal apology from whomever has just trashed them. Not so with Democrat Jim Webb, who is attempting to remove the GOP's George Felix Allen from his U.S. Senate seat in Virginia and who has often shown the willingness, like the former Marine that he is, to answer a cheap shot with a hard punch right to his opponent's nose.

Webb used a speech given at a get-out-the-vote rally in Annandale, VA on Saturday to totally gut Allen, a man unfit to carry Webb's metaphorical jock as a public servant or as a man.

"I fought in a brutal war. I saw its ugliness while George Allen was hanging out at a dude ranch," said Webb, a highly-decorated Veteran, in ridiculing his pro-war, Chickenhawk opponent.

The 60-year-old Webb served with the Fifth Marine Regiment in Vietnam and was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star, two Bronze Stars, and two Purple Hearts.

But Webb mainly used the weekend event to slap Allen down for the pathetic attempts made by his campaign to do everything but have Webb's fictional books burned for what Team Macaca alleges is unacceptable sexual content.

Introduced Saturday by Virginia Governor Tim Kaine as "a guy who’s fearless, who's courageous, who's not going to let a president or a Karl Rove push him around or back him off of anything," Webb made it clear that he wasn't going to let the most recent attacks (on the books he has authored) stand.

"We've had a situation here in the last couple of days that, on the one hand it's kind of ridiculous, but on the other I want to spend a little bit of time today and talk to you about it," began Webb.

Webb then described the critical acclaim his books have received over the decades since their initial publication -- plaudits that are at direct odds with the trash being hurled at Webb by Allen.

"George Allen and his campaign took some small excerpts of my novels and not only criticized them, but used them to question my ethics in my professional writing career and my character -- that's a line that should never be crossed," said Webb, a former Secretary of the U.S. Navy. "You know, you can disagree with me with politics but don’t question my faith and don’t question my character."

He then talked about 'Fields of Fire' and how his book about the Vietnam war -- that's received such ridiculous criticism from Allen, his surrogates and right-wing bloggers -- has been on the Commandant of the Marine Corps' reading list for 20 years and how "it was the most taught piece of American literature in college courses regarding the Vietnam war for many, many years."

Webb discussed his novel 'A Sense of Honor,' another target of Allen's smears, referred to it as a "bluejacket book published by the Naval Institute" and quoted the Boston Globe's review of the book in which it was called "a remarkable moral statement."

And Webb read part of a review from the Washington Post saying of his writing that "a century from now, James Webb will be studied for the light he sheds on military life and civil military relations."

Meanwhile, I'm sure 100 years from now, that history students will study Allen and wonder how a man who wallpapers his home in confederate flags and maintains hangman's nooses in his office was ever elected to even one term in the United States Senate.

"I have written about what I have seen and that is the duty of a writer," said Webb of his career as the author of six best-selling novels and his time as a working war reporter, of which he contrasted his time in battle with Allen's existence "... as a pampered government official coming in for his dog-and-pony show briefings."

"Now maybe George Allen doesn’t understand that, since I'm told he doesn’t read books," Webb said to raucous laughter from the crowd. "Somebody told me yesterday that I've written more books than George Allen has read."

Webb then listed all of the chances he has had to bash Allen for his many blunders in this campaign -- and how he has turned all of them down, saying simply that capitalizing on Allen's many character flaws is "not relevant to what I'm trying to do."

"They asked me to comment, and I refused," Webb said. "I passed up all of this while the Allen campaign has made smear tactics the centerpiece of their entire effort."

"Why have they done that?" asked Webb. "Because George Allen has nothing to report. He has no accomplishments. He has been wrong on foreign policy. He is one of the reasons we are bogged down right now in a nightmare in Iraq. He's been a key figure in selling out the average American worker in order to protect the interests of the powerful who have always paid his way. And by attacking my career and my ethics in this way, if anyone has any doubts from other indicators, he has now shown his true character."

Here's the 10-minute clip showing introductions by Kaine and former Virginia Governor Mark Warner and Webb's speech:

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/2405

Before giving Allen his dose of straight talk, Webb delivered the Democratic response to George W. Bush's Saturday radio address. Here's an except:

"Since 2003, President Bush has laid out nine different plans for victory in Iraq, none of them serious and none of them workable. And most seriously, this incompetence has hindered our ability to fight international terror.

"If we want a new direction in Iraq, we need a new team in Congress. A democratic Congress will demand from day one that the President find a real way forward in Iraq. We'll work with the Administration and other Republicans to develop a concrete plan, but none of us are ready to settle for empty rhetoric, or the same old unacceptable results."

But as he stood on the stage with Kaine, Warner and a throng of supporters, Webb ended with what should be a strong lesson for meeker Democrats on the take-no-prisoners style required to deal with the neoconservative version the Republicans party.

Said Webb in closing: "Our government should no longer be in the hands of a group of unprincipled, small-minded, power-hungry character assassins. It's time for a change."

http://bobgeiger.com/

[bendog]

I didn't know George Allen (not the coach) was an NBA fan

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061031/ap_on_sp_bk_ne/bkn_rockets_mutombo_fan_3

[BroncoBuff]

Come on SPdirty, you know just as much as I do the "mainstream" media will completely avoid this matter for the simple fact it is a demoncat being implicated and not a Repub. Double standard doesnt even describe it, its outright complicity to affect an election by a supposed neutral entity.

"Implicated"? Wrong word there, SteveCoulter13 .... there's nothing wrong with what Webb wrote. He was actually THERE - IN VIETNAM - unlike your deferment-obsessed Repigliucan idols.

Have you ever read/heard any of the following?
Lynne Cheney's novels, including graphic lesbian sexual encounters
I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby's novel with forced sex passages that border on rape
Bill O'Reilly's book (and his audiobook narration) about a black crack dealer telling a white teenage girl to "put down that pipe, and get my pipe up!"

It's called "fiction."

BTW - listen to "The Stephanie Miller Show" for audio excerpts of Bill O'Reilly reading his book.