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dragondawg
10-26-2006, 10:28 PM
Denver may be able to run against Indy, but they don’t ever score

Sunday is a showdown between the AFC’s two best teams, but also a confrontation of conflicting styles and a measuring stick for both the Denver Broncos and Indianapolis Colts.

It is, in other words, a game about many things, though it all revolves around one concept — offense vs. defense

The Colts have had one of the NFL’s most prolific offenses for years, which has continued this season despite the loss of running back Edgerrin James to free agency. They are third in total offense, Peyton Manning leads the NFL in QB rating and all AFC quarterbacks in touchdowns and yards.

The Broncos have always been a more balanced mix of offense and defense. Yet their success this season is due to one of the league’s stingiest defense, which allows only 7.3 points per game and has given up but two touchdowns in six games.

It has yet to pass the acid test, though. It failed that test in the playoffs in 2003 and 2004, when the Colts dismembered the Broncos by a combined score of 90-34. That has long irritated Denver’s veteran defensive coordinator Larry Coyer, which is why he is looking forward to the confrontation most teams might like to avoid — one with an offense that averages 28.5 points per game.

To make the contrast between the two approaches clearer consider these two facts: Denver has allowed only two touchdowns all season; the Colts' defense has held only two opponents to fewer than 17 points. When one adds in that Indianapolis' offense averages more than twice as many points as Denver's 13.2 per game, it leads to a classic question of physics — who wins out, the immovable object (Denver's defense) or the irresistible force (the Colts' offense)?

"I would think this is kind of what you live for,'' Coyer said. "I'm sure they feel the same way. Let's crank her up and go.''

The Broncos’ formula will be its usual mix — focus on run defense, try to reach the quarterback with a four-man rush instead of blitzing, run the ball conservatively on offense and, perhaps most of all, get the Colts off the field on third down. The Colts’ task to simply outscore a mediocre offensive team may seem simple, but Denver is a team that runs the ball like a tank battalion. It averages 143.3 yards a game and will be opposed by a Colt run defense that is last in the league in average yards per carry allowed (5.2) and next to last in rushing yards allowed (158 per game).

Thus, if Denver can limit Indianapolis' offensive chances by controlling the ball on the ground and limiting Manning on third down, the advantage in this early showdown for AFC supremacy would seem to lean its way.

"With the offense they have, letting them stay on the field to pick you apart on third down, it'll be a long game,'' said Denver's Demetrin Veal this week.

No kidding. One reason the Colts thrashed the Broncos is those two playoff meetings is that they converted 13-of-18 third-down attempts. That’s one of the Colts’ most telling stats. Indianapolis was tops in third-down conversions last season and are at the top of the list again this year at 57.3 percent (43-of-75), the only team in football over 50 percent. Yet in the seven games in which the Colts scored fewer than 20 points during Tony Dungy’s five-year tenure, that conversion rate is 36.8 percent.

That’s where the Broncos’ defense is focusing. It must not only stuff the run, but also harass Manning enough to disrupt the passing game, something they were singularly unable to do in those playoff losses.

"You pretty much know what the key is going into the game and that's to get to Peyton any way possible,'' admits Broncos' defensive back Sam Brandon. "You got to get there and get there quick.''

That's easier said than done. Manning has been sacked only seven times this season. If the Broncos can’t get to him, they may fall behind and not be able to rally. Denver has scored just seven touchdowns this season on 69 possessions.

Then again, the Denver defense has allowed only two touchdowns on 65 possessions and hasn’t allowed a team to reach double digits since its season opener. Can the Colts hang 28 on a defense like that?

We can move the ball, we can score points, we can do all the things that we want to do and not turn the ball over very much,'' said Colts' coach Tony Dungy. The numbers bear him out. Since his arrival in Indianapolis the Colts' turnovers have decreased (12, then 8, 8, 6) and just four this season (two lost fumbles, two interceptions).

Classic matchup of differing styles. The prevailing style will have the edge on home field advantage for the playoffs, while making a loud statement about its own ability to win playing the way it wants.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15432241/

Killericon
10-26-2006, 10:35 PM
Noted Denver Sportswriter: "If the Broncos score less points than the Colts, they're going to have a hard time winning."

Sometimes I wonder how these people get paid to write this stuff.

Kaylore
10-26-2006, 10:41 PM
Link?

Popps
10-26-2006, 11:25 PM
The article might not be ground-breaking, but it makes a point that your average fan might miss. Teams that beat Indy don't do it with offense, they do it with defense. Certainly you want a balanced attack... but Pittsburgh shut them down with a stifling defense. In fact, their offense tried to hand the game away, their D secured the win.

This game represents everything we've been trying to do with the defense for the last three years. No one expects our defense to win it on their own, but if they come out and collapse against manning as they did in the last two playoff losses, it's going to be a massive blow to this team's psyche.

But, I don't think they will. I honestly have bought into this defense. Yes, they need to show it in a playoff game... but they've already done something they haven't been able to do in the past, which is dominate in very close, low-scoring games.

I can't wait to see this defense smash manning in the mouth.

Clockwork Orange
10-26-2006, 11:30 PM
This certainly helped the Steelers cause that day. I'm almost certain it was deliberate.

fido
10-26-2006, 11:32 PM
If the offense doesn't jell around plummer, it won't matter, because the colts will score.

Killericon
10-26-2006, 11:33 PM
The article might not be ground-breaking, but it makes a point that your average fan might miss. Teams that beat Indy don't do it with offense, they do it with defense. Certainly you want a balanced attack... but Pittsburgh shut them down with a stifling defense. In fact, their offense tried to hand the game away, their D secured the win.

This game represents everything we've been trying to do with the defense for the last three years. No one expects our defense to win it on their own, but if they come out and collapse against manning as they did in the last two playoff losses, it's going to be a massive blow to this team's psyche.

But, I don't think they will. I honestly have bought into this defense. Yes, they need to show it in a playoff game... but they've already done something they haven't been able to do in the past, which is dominate in very close, low-scoring games.

I can't wait to see this defense smash manning in the mouth.

That is a good point. I'm worried about Freeney...Is he matching up against whomever is replacing Lepsis, or Foster? Does it matter?

This certainly helped the Steelers cause that day. I'm almost certain it was deliberate.

I'm curious as to how much more money Vanderjagt has in a cayman bank account after that "miss".

Clockwork Orange
10-26-2006, 11:39 PM
I'm curious as to how much more money Vanderjagt has in a cayman bank account after that "miss".

I don't think there was any money involved. I think he knew he was on his way out of Indy at seasons end and decided to give a big **** you to his buddy Peyton as a going away present.

Popps
10-26-2006, 11:56 PM
That is a good point. I'm worried about Freeney...Is he matching up against whomever is replacing Lepsis, or Foster? Does it matter?



Yea, I'm trying not to think about it. We'll obviously be committing a FB to Freeny, as well. But, that's got potential for ugly.

As for Foster, he's barely serviceable at RT. It's not like the good old days when we could just move Jones over when Zimm got hurt and still be in great shape.

We'll see how the back-ups respond. Losing Lepsis was just absolutely brutal.

Man, I remember a time when people were trying to run that guy out of town, too. Dude came a long way.

Killericon
10-26-2006, 11:57 PM
Yea, I'm trying not to think about it. We'll obviously be committing a FB to Freeny, as well. But, that's got potential for ugly.

As for Foster, he's barely serviceable at RT. It's not like the good old days when we could just move Jones over when Zimm got hurt and still be in great shape.

We'll see how the back-ups respond. Losing Lepsis was just absolutely brutal.

Man, I remember a time when people were trying to run that guy out of town, too. Dude came a long way.

Wasn't that right after he cost TD his career? :peace:

Popps
10-26-2006, 11:57 PM
I don't think there was any money involved. I think he knew he was on his way out of Indy at seasons end and decided to give a big **** you to his buddy Peyton as a going away present.

Keep in mind, that FG... Ben R's tackle, all of that nonsense would have happened if Bettis didn't have a bizarre, fluke goal-line fumble.

Made for an exciting ending, though.

Clockwork Orange
10-27-2006, 12:03 AM
Keep in mind, that FG... Ben R's tackle, all of that nonsense would have happened if Bettis didn't have a bizarre, fluke goal-line fumble.

Made for an exciting ending, though.

And if the guy returning the fumble hadn't been stabbed by his old lady a day or two before the game, maybe he outruns Slothlisberger and goes to the end zone. Or if he cuts to the outside instead of the middle, he's home free. Lot of variables there.

That kick, however, seemed about as intentional a miss as you'll ever see. A guy with the highest FG percentage in NFL history kicking indoors and he misses by 100 feet? It almost looked like he was trying to hook that one into the Colts bench and hit Manning with it.

Orange_Beard
10-27-2006, 05:44 AM
How many points will it take to win Sunday?

rbackfactory80
10-27-2006, 06:01 AM
How many points will it take to win Sunday?

27

Mile High Shack
10-27-2006, 06:07 AM
How many points will it take to win Sunday?

more than Indy scores

brncs_fan
10-27-2006, 06:20 AM
How many points will it take to win Sunday?

........3 ???


Our defense is good but I don't know if it is that good. Probably in the 20-27 range.

Mile High Shack
10-27-2006, 06:22 AM
I do like how a lot of the experts are picking the Colts though, that is making me feel better

Orange_Beard
10-27-2006, 06:41 AM
more than Indy scores

Genius.

Bronco Bob
10-27-2006, 08:13 AM
How many points will it take to win Sunday?

Broncos win by 10. 10 is the magic number.

eddie mac
10-27-2006, 09:18 AM
10-0 then.

Jetmeck
10-27-2006, 11:27 AM
TATER is gonna run wild SUNDAY, mark it down.

Bronco Billy
10-27-2006, 08:41 PM
TATER is gonna run wild SUNDAY, mark it down.

He better. We can't rely on the passing game to get it done. Just need to get started fast so Jake can play with the lead.

Jetmeck
10-27-2006, 08:48 PM
He better. We can't rely on the passing game to get it done. Just need to get started fast so Jake can play with the lead.

GENIUS !

wabbit
10-28-2006, 12:37 AM
You know what...I really think Shanahan has had enough of the play-off debacles from Indianapolis, and I'm betting he has some very interesting things cooked up for them this weekend.

They..whatever 'they' are... have to work, obviously, but Shanahan has a way of doubling back on teams (and coaches) that have troubled him, or even out-coached him in the past...i.e. Baltimore.

This weekend will be the proof positive in this instance, one way or another I suppose.

Popps
10-28-2006, 12:50 AM
You know what...I really think Shanahan has had enough of the play-off debacles from Indianapolis, and I'm betting he has some very interesting things cooked up for them this weekend.

They..whatever 'they' are... have to work, obviously, but Shanahan has a way of doubling back on teams (and coaches) that have troubled him, or even out-coached him in the past...i.e. Baltimore.

This weekend will be the proof positive in this instance, one way or another I suppose.

I think you could throw Belichick in that category. Remember how the world was abuzz with how Shanny was outcoached after that Monday night game a few years back? Shanahan has spanked him pretty good since then.... and in more important games.

Agree, though... it's going to be damned interesting. Like I posted before, I think this is sort of like taking a test you've been studying for for three years. This game has a lot of meaning beyond the W or L we'll have when its over.

theAPAOps5
10-28-2006, 12:51 AM
Here is one thing being left out especially by those brilliant ESPN experts. Indy can't defend the run and is outside of the dome. Expect to see a healthy dose of Tater and when a pass is needed expect a rollout away from Freeny by Jake. I also expect help on Freeny from the TE and FB. Clock management is going to win the game. The less Peyton has the ball the less he can exploit a weakness.

My pure hope is that he treats De Williams like he did Roc and tries to use him. If he does that he is going to be suprised. Denver at home and none picking them, man I think its going to be a good day Sunday! And if not we are one step closer to Cutler :yayaya:

lazarus4444
10-28-2006, 02:51 AM
Here is one thing being left out especially by those brilliant ESPN experts. Indy can't defend the run and is outside of the dome. Expect to see a healthy dose of Tater and when a pass is needed expect a rollout away from Freeny by Jake. I also expect help on Freeny from the TE and FB. Clock management is going to win the game. The less Peyton has the ball the less he can exploit a weakness.

My pure hope is that he treats De Williams like he did Roc and tries to use him. If he does that he is going to be suprised. Denver at home and none picking them, man I think its going to be a good day Sunday! And if not we are one step closer to Cutler :yayaya:

You have a good point. The key is those two losses were @IND in the dome. IND plays poorly outdoors in bad weather so lets hope we can get some more snow! We need to RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN. This is a game I hope Plummer has 120 yards passing and only 1 or 2 INT and Tater has 190+ yards rushing and a couple of TD's.

I personally believe that is what we need, run run run. If you guys saw our defense getting tired at the end vs. OAK you will know what i mean. The D is only as good as the offense and Jake needs to not make a mistake on our side of the field. We need our offense and running game in this game more than any other game this year (Need them to not screw it up for the D with bad field position and we need them to do long drives even if they only end up in FG)....

I don't have faith in Plummer though. I don't think he can stop from screwing up. I want the Broncos to get this monkey off their back BAD! I hate the Colts and everything they stand for, **** them! I hope Plummer plays good enough not to screw up but I won't be surprised when he doesn't.

Matt

ROYC75
10-28-2006, 07:55 AM
Sunday : Sunny , High 64* .........

Look for a pass happy Manning to test your D.

If you can't run ( which you should be able too and control the clock ) it's weighs heavy in Indy's favor.

baja
10-28-2006, 08:12 AM
Sunday : Sunny , High 64* .........

Look for a pass happy Manning to test your D.

If you can't run ( which you should be able too and control the clock ) it's weighs heavy in Indy's favor.

And that's why Vegas has Indy a 3 point dog.

freak6
10-28-2006, 08:35 AM
Tatum is gonna run wild, 150 yards minimum.

Popps
10-28-2006, 11:23 AM
The last time we beat Indy, they were playing their back-ups.

But, we DID beat them in a crucial game in their own house, which people probably barely remember.

Quentin Griffin rushed 28 times for 136 yards, baffling the Colts with his quickness on the artificial turf, and Mike Anderson powered his way to 56 yards on 19 carries. The Broncos controlled the ball for a team-record 44:58.

The more things change... the more they stay the same. The same thing we needed to do to beat Colts is the same thing we need to do this weekend.

I just can't wait. This is the ultimate test for our defense. We'd better fking pulverize Manning.