Circle Orange
10-26-2006, 11:40 AM
I found a wild thread at the Rayduh Nation Ground Zero board. Check out the loony rumor regarding a well known Bronco. This stuff had me laughing my head off. And pay attention to the dates of the posts. This stuff's all recent!
And now, on to the zoo...
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georgeblanda77
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Am I losing my mind or did I hear that Al Davis is considering bringing John Elway on as an
offensive coordinator? Second, am I the only one who would be pissed if Al really did it?
raiderwarlord52
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Why would you be pissed if Elway joined us??? I think the jackasses would be pissed. All
rivalries aside, the man was one of the greatest qb's ever. I have met him. I always remind him
that we were one of the few teams that he had a losing record against.
I think Elway would be an excellent addition to our staff. The guy knows the Broncos inside out.
Still, I think this is just a wild spin. Where's the link???
madbomber67
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do you really believe that. although Al tried to trade for him in 83 but roselle blocked it.
raiderwarlord52
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Very true, madbomber. Al wanted Elway, and Elway would have loved playing for Oakland.
Rozelle blocked the deal. Imagine Elway playing under the silver and black. I honestlt believe we
would have six, seven Super Bowl trophies. Too bad it did not happen.
guyzer
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As much as I HATED Elway while he was a player (He is #3 on my "All-Time Most Hated
Athletes List"), he would be welcomed aboard... I really doubt that he would be considered,
however...
And besides, other than being one helluva QB, what credentials does he have?? I don't believe
he has much, if any, coaching experiance...
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ItsARaiderLife4Me
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Until I see a link, I'll assume you are losing your mind.
TheRealMoose
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I've seen it posted on this board so many times: the alleged blocked trade of John Elway to the
Raiders by Pete Rozelle... yet there is no evidence of this ANYWHERE. There's rampant
speculation, but there's speculation that Reggie Bush ended up with the Saints to help rebuild
that city, too.
Considering this was 23 years ago, and there's not a single piece of evidence supporting it,
don't you think we should let it go?
I do.
As for Elway coaching, I don't know how good a move that is. The guy hasn't coached anything
more than his son's pop warner team...
ItsARaiderLife4Me
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Actually, Moose, didn't you challenge this theory already? Remember, I found an article by a
sportswriter that referred to the incident, then I found one from an on-line newspaper archive
that hinted that the Raiders had meetings regarding the acquisition of Elway for Howie Long and
a first round pick. The article said that the deal (as well as one by San Diego) had been called
off after meetings with the league office. The article did not draw a direct correlation between
the league meeting and a nixed deal, but it left the door open. I said at the time that the on-line
archives of most papers don't go back to 1983, so it was hard to do computer research. Your
reponse had something to do with "not wanting to go to the local library and look it up."
The point is that the rumor has persisted because there is probably some truth in it, but that we
are all (including you) too complacent to go check our facts. Feel free to prove the Nation
wrong. However, that probably won't be easy. It's very hard to prove that something didn't
happen. It's why conspiracy theories have such long lifespans..
TheRealMoose
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I did challenge the theory already. The one shred of evidence that I found came from a
columnist, which is about the least reliable source on the planet.
I just don't think it happened. In this sort of scenario, the onus is on you to prove that it DID
happen, not on me to prove that it DIDN'T.
ItsARaiderLife4Me
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In this sort of scenario, the onus is on you to prove that it DID happen, not on me to prove that it
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True in the real world, BUT this is a Raider board and we are allowed to have our own
conspiracy theories. In this little "Universe" truth is somewhat Raider-centric. Did you ever
read/watch The Crucible? We're kind of like the Salem Witch Trial judges with the whole "Prove
you're not a witch" line. Burden of proof actually rests with the accused around here. You know,
guilty until proven innocent as far as conspiracies go.
TheRealMoose
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Okay, we'll throw Elway in the bay and if he floats, Rozelle blocked the trade. Heh.
OzRaider32
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would that mean he's made of wood or that he weighs the same as a duck?
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ItsARaiderLife4Me
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Exactly. And if he drowns, it was because Rozelle did not want him to talk about how he
blocked the trade.
Tripl3Cov3rMoss
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Rozelle? Suprising as he was probably the greatest Comish of all time.
I'd love for Elway to join us,I put the rivalry aside too and have him #3 of the Greatest QBs of all
Time,but isn't he owner of Colorado's Arena Team? I'm sure he doesn't have all that
time,Secondly,I don't see a link or anything valid,therefore I call this BS.
PrefabSprouter
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Elway is right up there for me as one of the greatest QB's period. A winner and a good one at
that. If this is a goer I'll be happy!!
forumryder721
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where did u hear this?
TheRealMoose
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Number THREE? Who are the first two?
Marino - no way.
I can understand the argument for Montana. I would disagree with that argument, but at least it's
an argument worth making.
805Raider
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How about Unitas?
raiderwarlord52
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For a lot of you youngsters, I was alive when the wheeling and dealing for Elway was done.
Moose, it is true. Al Davis tried to get Elway. I don't have any links. I guess I could go to the
Denver Public Library, and dig up the facts. But to be honest, I don't give a rat's ass. Everything
happened for a reason. Rozelle did torpedoe that deal. And we both know that if Elway had
been a Raider, we would have six, seven Lombardi trophies. Youwould still be looking for your
first.
Tripl3Cov3rMoss
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As My Personal Opinion.
It goes:
1.Marino
2.Montana
3.Elway
4.Unitas
5.Favre
I pick Marino #1 based on what he did as a QB,individualy,He never won SB,but he set the bar
as far as Statistics go.Montana was great,Elway was great too (don't be mad because I didn't
place him at #1) Unitas a great QB he put up some nice numbers in his career,Favre is just a
warrior,Even Though I can't stand him,he plays the game with a Passion of no other,he's
almost going to top Marino on the TD Passes.
Others that deserve to be on that list are:
Steve Young,Fran Tarkenton,Roger Staubach,Bart Starr,Joe Namath,Jim Kelly,George
Blanda,Terry Bradshaw.
TheRealMoose
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Perhaps, Warlord. But I'm sorry if having your word on it doesn't make it official. Unless you
were in the office with Rozelle when he "torpedoed" the deal, I'm not buying.
For it to be anything more than just assumption (much like your fanbase assuming you get
more penalties called against you because "the league hates" you), facts have to be present.
The word of one poster on a message board (who I respect) and one columnist (who I do not)
isn't gonna cut it.
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Well I aint got a problem with Elway joining and if he does lets get Gannon onboard too so he
can start learning the coaching ropes and be groomed for future positions
"THE R8R NATION IS FAMILY" R.I.P AKdevil2007
Boing Boing Sheffield Hallam
raiderwarlord52
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That's cool, Moose. I respect that. You should never believe anything that is not confirmed. For
all you know, I could be inventing this to get you riled-up. To quote Josef Gobbells..."Repeat a lie
often enough, and it will be believed". He was Hitler's Minister of Propaganda. I am not a
minister of anything. But I was around when it happened. I take no pleasure in spreading
half-truths and rumours. What have I to gain???
I plan to be around to watch my daughter give me a grandchild. Then, as we used to say in our
Spec Ops group..."the Warlord seconded out". If you can't believe it, fine. But I am not a liar, nor
do I pretend to be a know-all. I do not take offense that you question my word in this respect.
Have a great day.
TheRealMoose
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Again, I don't think you're a liar. I just think that, especially with sports, there are a lot of
half-truths and rumors that are total BS, and they're never disproved (like the frozen envelope in
the '85 Draft that ended up giving Ewing to the Knicks), so they just stick around for years and
years.
That's like me coming here and saying "Bo Jackson should have been a Bronco, but because
Al Davis' lovechild is Paul Tagliabue, he blocked the draft pick. Amusing anecdote, sure. But not
halfway true.
Davis may well have wanted Elway. Might have offered something for him too. But the bottom
line is, there's no proof.
STORKATE3
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Elway on our staff? Three former Broncos worked out well Willie Brown, Lyle Alzado, Romo.
Coach Elway sounds good, not Jack but John.
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moose came here as he know at all , hey moose you always came here as the forum serve ya,
but anyway i hope this is true and your team will go down, have a nice day friend
TheRealMoose
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Whatever ore. Do me a favor: don't mention my name. I don't understand what the hell you say
anyway. You're wasting your time trying to rip me. Seriously. It's embarrassing.
therockofrockies
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Considering Elway and Shanahan are still very tight, I find it very unlikely Elway would have
anything to do with Big Al and the raiders.
The general felling in the Bronco organization is that Big Al stiffed Sahanhan out of a lot of
dough.
Elway is independently wealthy to say the least. His name is on about 35 car dealerships here
in Denver. He owns the Colorado Crush of the AFL also and is very active with that team.
And why would he want to come in the raider organization??? What would be the
motivation????? He has said many times he is not intrested in coaching.
This sounds to me like some sort of pipe dream raider fans are using to try and capture some
of the glory that has long since evaperated from the raider "nation."
Call me sceptical on this one. Even Big Al couldn`t pull this one off.
Tripl3Cov3rMoss
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I don't know why this has become such a huge discussion,I mean who really cares? it's not
likely at all John will Join the Raiders,I'm sure he hates us,case closed.
jgrange
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Joe Montana and Tom Brady are better than Elway.
TheRealMoose
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Now I know you're lying. Or really really stupid, and without any perspective.
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guyzer said:
You got that right, 43... Just because a guy was a great player doesn't mean he would be a
great coach... He needs time to learn that craft..
The only real thing that hiring Elway would bring to the table is that it would piss off Bronco
fans.. and thats ALWAYS fun.
Please let our owner in on that.
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It's a shame...these people should have been treated and medicated long ago. :crazy:
And now, on to the zoo...
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georgeblanda77
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Am I losing my mind or did I hear that Al Davis is considering bringing John Elway on as an
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raiderwarlord52
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Why would you be pissed if Elway joined us??? I think the jackasses would be pissed. All
rivalries aside, the man was one of the greatest qb's ever. I have met him. I always remind him
that we were one of the few teams that he had a losing record against.
I think Elway would be an excellent addition to our staff. The guy knows the Broncos inside out.
Still, I think this is just a wild spin. Where's the link???
madbomber67
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do you really believe that. although Al tried to trade for him in 83 but roselle blocked it.
raiderwarlord52
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Very true, madbomber. Al wanted Elway, and Elway would have loved playing for Oakland.
Rozelle blocked the deal. Imagine Elway playing under the silver and black. I honestlt believe we
would have six, seven Super Bowl trophies. Too bad it did not happen.
guyzer
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As much as I HATED Elway while he was a player (He is #3 on my "All-Time Most Hated
Athletes List"), he would be welcomed aboard... I really doubt that he would be considered,
however...
And besides, other than being one helluva QB, what credentials does he have?? I don't believe
he has much, if any, coaching experiance...
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ItsARaiderLife4Me
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Until I see a link, I'll assume you are losing your mind.
TheRealMoose
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I've seen it posted on this board so many times: the alleged blocked trade of John Elway to the
Raiders by Pete Rozelle... yet there is no evidence of this ANYWHERE. There's rampant
speculation, but there's speculation that Reggie Bush ended up with the Saints to help rebuild
that city, too.
Considering this was 23 years ago, and there's not a single piece of evidence supporting it,
don't you think we should let it go?
I do.
As for Elway coaching, I don't know how good a move that is. The guy hasn't coached anything
more than his son's pop warner team...
ItsARaiderLife4Me
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Actually, Moose, didn't you challenge this theory already? Remember, I found an article by a
sportswriter that referred to the incident, then I found one from an on-line newspaper archive
that hinted that the Raiders had meetings regarding the acquisition of Elway for Howie Long and
a first round pick. The article said that the deal (as well as one by San Diego) had been called
off after meetings with the league office. The article did not draw a direct correlation between
the league meeting and a nixed deal, but it left the door open. I said at the time that the on-line
archives of most papers don't go back to 1983, so it was hard to do computer research. Your
reponse had something to do with "not wanting to go to the local library and look it up."
The point is that the rumor has persisted because there is probably some truth in it, but that we
are all (including you) too complacent to go check our facts. Feel free to prove the Nation
wrong. However, that probably won't be easy. It's very hard to prove that something didn't
happen. It's why conspiracy theories have such long lifespans..
TheRealMoose
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I did challenge the theory already. The one shred of evidence that I found came from a
columnist, which is about the least reliable source on the planet.
I just don't think it happened. In this sort of scenario, the onus is on you to prove that it DID
happen, not on me to prove that it DIDN'T.
ItsARaiderLife4Me
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In this sort of scenario, the onus is on you to prove that it DID happen, not on me to prove that it
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True in the real world, BUT this is a Raider board and we are allowed to have our own
conspiracy theories. In this little "Universe" truth is somewhat Raider-centric. Did you ever
read/watch The Crucible? We're kind of like the Salem Witch Trial judges with the whole "Prove
you're not a witch" line. Burden of proof actually rests with the accused around here. You know,
guilty until proven innocent as far as conspiracies go.
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Okay, we'll throw Elway in the bay and if he floats, Rozelle blocked the trade. Heh.
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would that mean he's made of wood or that he weighs the same as a duck?
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ItsARaiderLife4Me
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Exactly. And if he drowns, it was because Rozelle did not want him to talk about how he
blocked the trade.
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Rozelle? Suprising as he was probably the greatest Comish of all time.
I'd love for Elway to join us,I put the rivalry aside too and have him #3 of the Greatest QBs of all
Time,but isn't he owner of Colorado's Arena Team? I'm sure he doesn't have all that
time,Secondly,I don't see a link or anything valid,therefore I call this BS.
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Elway is right up there for me as one of the greatest QB's period. A winner and a good one at
that. If this is a goer I'll be happy!!
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where did u hear this?
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Number THREE? Who are the first two?
Marino - no way.
I can understand the argument for Montana. I would disagree with that argument, but at least it's
an argument worth making.
805Raider
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How about Unitas?
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For a lot of you youngsters, I was alive when the wheeling and dealing for Elway was done.
Moose, it is true. Al Davis tried to get Elway. I don't have any links. I guess I could go to the
Denver Public Library, and dig up the facts. But to be honest, I don't give a rat's ass. Everything
happened for a reason. Rozelle did torpedoe that deal. And we both know that if Elway had
been a Raider, we would have six, seven Lombardi trophies. Youwould still be looking for your
first.
Tripl3Cov3rMoss
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As My Personal Opinion.
It goes:
1.Marino
2.Montana
3.Elway
4.Unitas
5.Favre
I pick Marino #1 based on what he did as a QB,individualy,He never won SB,but he set the bar
as far as Statistics go.Montana was great,Elway was great too (don't be mad because I didn't
place him at #1) Unitas a great QB he put up some nice numbers in his career,Favre is just a
warrior,Even Though I can't stand him,he plays the game with a Passion of no other,he's
almost going to top Marino on the TD Passes.
Others that deserve to be on that list are:
Steve Young,Fran Tarkenton,Roger Staubach,Bart Starr,Joe Namath,Jim Kelly,George
Blanda,Terry Bradshaw.
TheRealMoose
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Perhaps, Warlord. But I'm sorry if having your word on it doesn't make it official. Unless you
were in the office with Rozelle when he "torpedoed" the deal, I'm not buying.
For it to be anything more than just assumption (much like your fanbase assuming you get
more penalties called against you because "the league hates" you), facts have to be present.
The word of one poster on a message board (who I respect) and one columnist (who I do not)
isn't gonna cut it.
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Well I aint got a problem with Elway joining and if he does lets get Gannon onboard too so he
can start learning the coaching ropes and be groomed for future positions
"THE R8R NATION IS FAMILY" R.I.P AKdevil2007
Boing Boing Sheffield Hallam
raiderwarlord52
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That's cool, Moose. I respect that. You should never believe anything that is not confirmed. For
all you know, I could be inventing this to get you riled-up. To quote Josef Gobbells..."Repeat a lie
often enough, and it will be believed". He was Hitler's Minister of Propaganda. I am not a
minister of anything. But I was around when it happened. I take no pleasure in spreading
half-truths and rumours. What have I to gain???
I plan to be around to watch my daughter give me a grandchild. Then, as we used to say in our
Spec Ops group..."the Warlord seconded out". If you can't believe it, fine. But I am not a liar, nor
do I pretend to be a know-all. I do not take offense that you question my word in this respect.
Have a great day.
TheRealMoose
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(10/23/06 2:46:58 pm)
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Again, I don't think you're a liar. I just think that, especially with sports, there are a lot of
half-truths and rumors that are total BS, and they're never disproved (like the frozen envelope in
the '85 Draft that ended up giving Ewing to the Knicks), so they just stick around for years and
years.
That's like me coming here and saying "Bo Jackson should have been a Bronco, but because
Al Davis' lovechild is Paul Tagliabue, he blocked the draft pick. Amusing anecdote, sure. But not
halfway true.
Davis may well have wanted Elway. Might have offered something for him too. But the bottom
line is, there's no proof.
STORKATE3
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Elway on our staff? Three former Broncos worked out well Willie Brown, Lyle Alzado, Romo.
Coach Elway sounds good, not Jack but John.
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moose came here as he know at all , hey moose you always came here as the forum serve ya,
but anyway i hope this is true and your team will go down, have a nice day friend
TheRealMoose
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(10/24/06 3:27:38 pm)
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Whatever ore. Do me a favor: don't mention my name. I don't understand what the hell you say
anyway. You're wasting your time trying to rip me. Seriously. It's embarrassing.
therockofrockies
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Considering Elway and Shanahan are still very tight, I find it very unlikely Elway would have
anything to do with Big Al and the raiders.
The general felling in the Bronco organization is that Big Al stiffed Sahanhan out of a lot of
dough.
Elway is independently wealthy to say the least. His name is on about 35 car dealerships here
in Denver. He owns the Colorado Crush of the AFL also and is very active with that team.
And why would he want to come in the raider organization??? What would be the
motivation????? He has said many times he is not intrested in coaching.
This sounds to me like some sort of pipe dream raider fans are using to try and capture some
of the glory that has long since evaperated from the raider "nation."
Call me sceptical on this one. Even Big Al couldn`t pull this one off.
Tripl3Cov3rMoss
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I don't know why this has become such a huge discussion,I mean who really cares? it's not
likely at all John will Join the Raiders,I'm sure he hates us,case closed.
jgrange
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Joe Montana and Tom Brady are better than Elway.
TheRealMoose
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Joe Montana and Tom Brady are better than Elway.
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Now I know you're lying. Or really really stupid, and without any perspective.
insearchofnjdotcom
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guyzer said:
You got that right, 43... Just because a guy was a great player doesn't mean he would be a
great coach... He needs time to learn that craft..
The only real thing that hiring Elway would bring to the table is that it would piss off Bronco
fans.. and thats ALWAYS fun.
Please let our owner in on that.
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It's a shame...these people should have been treated and medicated long ago. :crazy: