View Full Version : Hacking elections: Video of a congressional testimonial by a computer expert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs
Listen to this very carefully
Rohirrim
10-25-2006, 10:45 AM
I'm mailing in my absentee ballot tomorrow. I won't vote again (except through absentee ballot) until I see a paper trail.
Once again where is the outrage from the Dems.
alkemical
10-25-2006, 12:00 PM
baja,
why would anyone in power "care" about this?
Artist: Stealers Wheel Lyrics
Song: Stuck in the Middle With You Lyrics
Well I don't know why I came here tonight,
I got the feeling that something ain't right,
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair,
And I'm wondering how I'll get down the stairs,
Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you.
Yes I'm stuck in the middle with you,
And I'm wondering what it is I should do,
It's so hard to keep this smile from my face,
Losing control, yeah, I'm all over the place,
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
Well you started out with nothing,
And you're proud that you're a self made man,
And your friends, they all come crawlin,
Slap you on the back and say,
Please.... Please.....
Trying to make some sense of it all,
But I can see that it makes no sense at all,
Is it cool to go to sleep on the floor,
'Cause I don't think that I can take anymore
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
Well you started out with nothing,
And you're proud that you're a self made man,
And your friends, they all come crawlin,
Slap you on the back and say,
Please.... Please.....
Well I don't know why I came here tonight,
I got the feeling that something ain't right,
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair,
And I'm wondering how I'll get down the stairs,
Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you,
Yes I'm stuck in the middle with you,
Stuck in the middle with you.
Why!!! Because the Dems have likely had two presidential elections stolen from them that's why
alkemical
10-25-2006, 12:35 PM
I'm $ure there i$ a way the vote$ count baja, i'm just $cratching my head at the moment.
alkemical
10-25-2006, 12:48 PM
Baja,
come on man - i thought that was pretty self explanitory.
I think who'd pay the most, gets the most votes counted. Ya know, those free markets we keep hearing about.
Anyway, chuck mangioni is playing on the MUZAK channel at work.....
bendog
10-25-2006, 01:49 PM
Baja,
come on man - i thought that was pretty self explanitory.
I think who'd pay the most, gets the most votes counted. Ya know, those free markets we keep hearing about.
Anyway, chuck mangioni is playing on the MUZAK channel at work.....
I disagree. YOu know I don't subscribe to many conspiracy theories, and the reason is simply in my experience, criminals are lazy and f*ck up; plus, they are easily corruptable in turning them against their associates.
However, I think it's very possible the 4th airliner was destroyed with a missle from a USAF plane. Reason being, the military is professional, motivated by extreme patriotism, and not letting bin laden know is in the natl interest. Plus, relatively few people would have to know. The pilot, his immediate commander, Cheney and some, but not many, personnel at the base where the plane landed.
I don't know about the 00 election. I've no doubt that it was swayed against Gore illegally by knocking blacks off the voter roles. Black males knowing there was a posibility of a long ago drug conviction coming back to haunt them in front of their communities had a good reason to avoid the polls.
But OHIO in 04 was definitely dooable. As the testimony seemed to prove, only a handful would have to know of the conspiracy. Moreover, with the exit polls at odds with the vote, and the very odd count on the black vote, PLUS the ready made explanation that gay marriage turned the black vote against Kerry. All very neat. And, money isn't the motivating factor. Criminals will sell each other out. But a true beliver who thinks God himself is guiding the actions of keeping bushii in power ....
Maybe we should grab some ohio politicos and give em the gitmo gizmo.
alkemical
10-25-2006, 02:00 PM
bendog,
with my exp. in I.T. - and for what i do - hacking a voting machine is not very difficult. Two hidden tabulators with a built in back door - that isn't secured.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-25-2006, 05:19 PM
I'm mailing in my absentee ballot tomorrow. I won't vote again (except through absentee ballot) until I see a paper trail.
The rethugs who own the voting machines have ignored/resisted all calls for verified voting, printable receipts, or any sort of paper trail.
80% of Americans wll vote on machines owned by these republi-cons on 11/7.
And when there's another huge disparity between the polls and the 'election' results, those who mention all of the above will be disparaged as "conspiracy theorists" by the ditto monkeys.
spdirty
10-25-2006, 05:35 PM
The rethugs who own the voting machines have ignored/resisted all calls for verified voting, printable receipts, or any sort of paper trail.
80% of Americans wll vote on machines owned by these republi-cons on 11/7.
And when there's another huge disparity between the polls and the 'election' results, those who mention all of the above will be disparaged as "conspiracy theorists" by the ditto monkeys.
good.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-25-2006, 05:38 PM
good.
You're happy with the status quo?
Who woulda thunk?
spdirty
10-25-2006, 05:50 PM
You're happy with the status quo?
Who woulda thunk?
Whatever it takes to win. Hell lets get those voting machines to turn SF into Limbaugh land so we can get rid of Nancy Pelosi too.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-25-2006, 05:57 PM
Whatever it takes to win.
That's what I thought. :pity:
Rohirrim
10-25-2006, 06:29 PM
Whatever it takes to win.
Isn't that their party motto?
Rigs11
10-25-2006, 07:21 PM
Isn't that their party motto?
That's their moral values talkin.Hilarious!
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-25-2006, 08:47 PM
It's already starting...
Some Voting Machines Chop Off Candidates' Names
Computer Glitch Affects Voters in 3 Jurisdictions; Error Cannot Be Fixed by Nov. 7
By Leef Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 24, 2006; B04
U.S. Senate candidate James Webb's last name has been cut off on part of the electronic ballot used by voters in Alexandria, Falls Church and Charlottesville because of a computer glitch that also affects other candidates with long names, city officials said yesterday.
Although the problem creates some voter confusion, it will not cause votes to be cast incorrectly, election officials emphasized. The error shows up only on the summary page, where voters are asked to review their selections before hitting the button to cast their votes. Webb's full name appears on the page where voters choose for whom to vote.
Election officials attribute the mistake to an increase in the type size on the ballot. Although the larger type is easier to read, it also unintentionally shortens the longer names on the summary page of the ballot.
Thus, Democratic candidate Webb will appear with his first name and nickname only -- or "James H. 'Jim' " -- on summary pages in Alexandria, Falls Church and Charlottesville, the only jurisdictions in Virginia that use balloting machines manufactured by Hart InterCivic of Austin.
"We're not happy about it," Webb spokeswoman Kristian Denny Todd said last night, adding that the campaign learned about the problem a week ago and has since been in touch with state election officials. "I don't think it can be remedied by Election Day. Obviously, that's a concern."
Every candidate on Alexandria's summary page has been affected in some way by the glitch. Even if candidates' full names appear, as is the case with Webb's Republican opponent, incumbent Sen. George F. Allen, their party affiliations have been cut off.
Jean Jensen, secretary of the Virginia State Board of Elections, who said yesterday she only recently became aware of the problem, pledged to have it fixed by the 2007 statewide elections.
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"James Webb" is SUCH a long name, ya know...
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-25-2006, 08:51 PM
This is why Smirk and Turd Breath aren't worried:
Report Warns of Potential Voting Problems in 10 States
Two weeks before the midterm elections, at least 10 states, including Maryland, remain ripe for voting problems, according to a study released yesterday by a nonpartisan clearinghouse that tracks electoral reforms across the United States.
The report by Electionline.org says those states, and possibly others, could encounter trouble on Election Day because they have a combustible mix of fledgling voting-machine technology, confusion over voting procedures or recent litigation over election rules -- and close races.
The report cautions that the Nov. 7 elections, which will determine which political party controls the House and Senate, promise "to bring more of what voters have come to expect since the 2000 elections -- a divided body politic, an election system in flux and the possibility -- if not certainty -- of problems at polls nationwide."
In a state-by-state canvass, the 75-page report singles out places, such as Indiana and Arizona, where courts have upheld stringent new laws requiring voters to show poll workers specific forms of identification. It cites states such as Ohio and Pennsylvania, which have switched to electronic voting machines whose accuracy has been challenged. And it points to states such as Colorado and Washington, which have departed from the tradition of polling sites in neighborhood precincts.
The report of the clearinghouse, sponsored by the Pew Charitable Trusts, is the latest of several warnings in recent weeks and months by organizations and scholars who say that electoral problems persist in spite of six years of efforts by the federal government and states to correct voting flaws. The flaws gripped the public's attention after the close 2000 presidential election, which led to recounts in Florida and the intervention of the Supreme Court.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102401168.html
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-25-2006, 09:55 PM
HBO Documentary: Hacking Democracy
This cautionary documentary exposes the vulnerability of computers - which count approximately 80% of America's votes in county, state and federal elections - suggesting that if our votes aren't safe, then our democracy isn't safe either. Premieres Thursday, November 2 at 9pm.
http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/hackingdemocracy/
Play2win
10-26-2006, 04:43 AM
What happened to all those supposed state laws banning computer voting until there was a paper trail that were spreading through the country, state by state?
spdirty
10-26-2006, 07:57 AM
This is why Smirk and Turd Breath aren't worried:
Report Warns of Potential Voting Problems in 10 States
Two weeks before the midterm elections, at least 10 states, including Maryland, remain ripe for voting problems, according to a study released yesterday by a nonpartisan clearinghouse that tracks electoral reforms across the United States.
The report by Electionline.org says those states, and possibly others, could encounter trouble on Election Day because they have a combustible mix of fledgling voting-machine technology, confusion over voting procedures or recent litigation over election rules -- and close races.
The report cautions that the Nov. 7 elections, which will determine which political party controls the House and Senate, promise "to bring more of what voters have come to expect since the 2000 elections -- a divided body politic, an election system in flux and the possibility -- if not certainty -- of problems at polls nationwide."
In a state-by-state canvass, the 75-page report singles out places, such as Indiana and Arizona, where courts have upheld stringent new laws requiring voters to show poll workers specific forms of identification. It cites states such as Ohio and Pennsylvania, which have switched to electronic voting machines whose accuracy has been challenged. And it points to states such as Colorado and Washington, which have departed from the tradition of polling sites in neighborhood precincts.
The report of the clearinghouse, sponsored by the Pew Charitable Trusts, is the latest of several warnings in recent weeks and months by organizations and scholars who say that electoral problems persist in spite of six years of efforts by the federal government and states to correct voting flaws. The flaws gripped the public's attention after the close 2000 presidential election, which led to recounts in Florida and the intervention of the Supreme Court.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102401168.html
You call that a problem?
Spider
10-26-2006, 08:05 AM
You call that a problem?
I wipe tear from my eye , the student has become a teacher ......... ;D
now all you need is some lures .........
bendog
10-26-2006, 08:18 AM
Whatever it takes to win. Hell lets get those voting machines to turn SF into Limbaugh land so we can get rid of Nancy Pelosi too.
Traitor. Go enlist for the taliban.
No dog the taliban wants and needs him right where he is.
alkemical
10-30-2006, 10:31 AM
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/world/15875278.htm
U.S. digs for vote-machine links to Hugo Chavez
MIAMI - In the debate about the reliability of electronic voting technology, the South Florida parent company of one of the nation's leading suppliers of touch-screen voting machines is drawing special scrutiny from the U.S. government.
Federal officials are investigating whether Smartmatic, owner of Oakland, Calif.-based Sequoia Voting Systems, is secretly controlled by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, according to two people familiar with the probe.
In July, a Treasury Department spokeswoman disclosed that a Treasury-led panel had contacted Smartmatic, and a company representative said his firm was ''in discussions'' with the panel. At the time, those discussions were informal. The government has now upgraded to a formal investigation, the two sources said.
Sequoia's electronic voting machines operate in 17 states.
In Florida, the machines are used in four counties: Palm Beach, Indian River, Pinellas and Hillsborough.
Miami-Dade and Broward use other technology.
El Minion
10-30-2006, 11:24 AM
Link (http://www.miami.com:80/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_county/15869924.htm)
Posted on Sat, Oct. 28, 2006
ELECTIONS
Glitches cited in early voting
Early voters are urged to cast their ballots with care following scattered reports of problems with heavily used machines.
BY CHARLES RABIN AND DARRAN SIMON
dsimon@MiamiHerald.com
After a week of early voting, a handful of glitches with electronic voting machines have drawn the ire of voters, reassurances from elections supervisors -- and a caution against the careless casting of ballots.
Several South Florida voters say the choices they touched on the electronic screens were not the ones that appeared on the review screen -- the final voting step.
Election officials say they aren't aware of any serious voting issues. But in Broward County, for example, they don't know how widespread the machine problems are because there's no process for poll workers to quickly report minor issues and no central database of machine problems.
In Miami-Dade, incidents are logged and reported daily and recorded in a central database. Problem machines are shut down.
''In the past, Miami-Dade County would send someone to correct the machine on site,'' said Lester Sola, county supervisor of elections. Now, he said, ``We close the machine down and put a seal on it.''
Debra A. Reed voted with her boss on Wednesday at African-American Research Library and Cultural Center near Fort Lauderdale. Her vote went smoothly, but boss Gary Rudolf called her over to look at what was happening on his machine. He touched the screen for gubernatorial candidate Jim Davis, a Democrat, but the review screen repeatedly registered the Republican, Charlie Crist.
That's exactly the kind of problem that sends conspiracy theorists into high gear -- especially in South Florida, where a history of problems at the polls have made voters particularly skittish.
A poll worker then helped Rudolf, but it took three tries to get it right, Reed said.
''I'm shocked because I really want . . . to trust that the issues with irregularities with voting machines have been resolved,'' said Reed, a paralegal. ``It worries me because the races are so close.''
Broward Supervisor of Elections spokeswoman Mary Cooney said it's not uncommon for screens on heavily used machines to slip out of sync, making votes register incorrectly. Poll workers are trained to recalibrate them on the spot -- essentially, to realign the video screen with the electronics inside. The 15-step process is outlined in the poll-workers manual.
''It is resolved right there at the early-voting site,'' Cooney said.
Broward poll workers keep a log of all maintenance done on machines at each site. But the Supervisor of Elections office doesn't see that log until the early voting period ends. And a machine isn't taken out of service unless the poll clerk decides it's a chronic poor performer that can't be fixed.
Cooney said no machines have been removed during early voting, and she is not aware of any serious problems.
In Miami-Dade, two machines have been taken out of service during early voting. No votes were lost, Sola said.
Joan Marek, 60, a Democrat from Hollywood, was also stunned to see Charlie Crist on her ballot review page after voting on Thursday. ''Am I on the voting screen again?'' she wondered. ``Well, this is too weird.''
Marek corrected her ballot and alerted poll workers at the Hollywood satellite courthouse, who she said told her they'd had previous problems with the same machine.
Poll workers did some work on her machine when she finished voting, Marek said. But no report was made to the Supervisor of Elections office and the machine was not removed, Cooney said.
Workers at the Hollywood poll said there had been no voting problems on Friday.
Mauricio Raponi wanted to vote for Democrats across the board at the Lemon City Library in Miami on Thursday. But each time he hit the button next to the candidate, the Republican choice showed up. Raponi, 53, persevered until the machine worked. Then he alerted a poll worker.
Miami Herald staff writer Linda Topping Streitfeld contributed to this report.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-30-2006, 07:27 PM
11 charged in Republican vote fraud 10/30
11 in O.C. charged with voter registration fraud
Dozens of people who thought they were signing up to be Democrats ended up Republican. Those accused in the case are low-level, per-signature workers.
By Christian Berthelsen and Christine Hanley, Times Staff Writers
October 27, 2006
The Orange County district attorney's office has charged 11 people with fraudulent voter registration stemming from a Republican registration drive this year that resulted in dozens of Democrats unwittingly being signed up as Republicans.
Those charged had been paid as much as $10 for each voter they registered as part of a Republican Party effort to recruit more voters in central Orange County. The area includes the district represented by Democratic Rep. Loretta Sanchez, a regular target of Republicans, and a competitive state Senate race.
The cases were filed Tuesday, and three defendants were arrested Wednesday and Thursday. They are in custody and are scheduled to be arraigned today and Monday. The district attorney's office refused to release any information about them, including details usually available, such as the names and charges.
Sources said a press conference is scheduled for Monday, a week before the Nov. 7 election, with Republican Secretary of State Bruce McPherson, who is locked in a tight election battle with Democratic state Sen. Debra Bowen.
"The only thing I can say is it is our policy to not make comments on pending matters, and I don't have any information to share at this time," said Susan Kang Schroeder, spokeswoman for Dist. Atty. Tony Rackauckas. "That's all I'm saying."
A spokeswoman for McPherson declined to comment.
Frank Barbaro, chairman of the Orange County Democratic Party, issued a statement Thursday congratulating Rackauckas on the arrests, putting the district attorney in the awkward position of not withholding comment on his own case.
"Hopefully, these arrests are a good first step toward discouraging those who would wish to suppress the democratic process, and we are hopeful that more preemptive action will be taken in the future," Barbaro said.
The prosecution highlights problems that can occur with signature-gathering and voter registration campaigns in which the workers are paid by the signature. Campaign watchdogs have derisively called it a "bounty hunter" system that creates incentives for often transient, low-paid workers to pad their results to make more money.
The case has been an embarrassment for the Orange County Republican Party since it first became known in February.
The charges come as the party finds itself reeling from a letter linked to GOP congressional candidate Tan Nguyen that was sent to Latino voters this month in what has been described as an effort to keep them from the polls in next month's election. Nguyen is running against Sanchez.
In both cases, Republican officials have quickly distanced themselves from the actions.
The voter registration charges cover at least 37 instances in which Democratic and Green Party voters and even one noncitizen were registered as Republicans. Each defendant was charged with felony counts of fraudulent completion of registration affidavits. The defendants are all low-level workers who circulated registration cards.
No charges have been filed against the companies or executives whom the Republican Party hired to conduct the registration drive, or party officials.
As many as 100 cases were turned over to prosecutors. In other cases, invalid phone numbers and incorrect addresses had been filled in on the forms.
Orange County election officials discovered the allegedly fraudulent registrations during a routine review in February, and Democrats conducting their own registration drive found more. Barbaro, the Democratic Party chairman, said he forwarded 500 complaints to prosecutors.
Scott Baugh, the chairman of the county Republican Party, said he received complaints from people who received letters welcoming them to the party and that registration workers were fired for being too aggressive or submitting faulty paperwork.
The actions did not benefit the party, he said, because the voters would not vote Republican, and it cost the party money to pay the signature gatherers.
"I hope they rot in jail for stealing from us and disenfranchising other voters," he said Thursday.
The recruiters were working for Bader & Associates, a Newport Beach petition consulting firm contracted by the Republican Party to register voters, and a subcontractor.
Tom Bader, the company owner, said Thursday his firm was never under investigation and cooperated fully.
He said it was difficult to control field workers. He said he no longer conducted voter registration drives, and that the news about the criminal cases hopefully would prevent future fraud.
"This action is really helpful," he said. "It's going to send a signal to those out in the field."
One of his subcontractors, John Burkett of Lake Elsinore, said Thursday that he discovered problems with his recruiters' work when he conducted random checks on the forms they had submitted, and notified his clients about it.
He said his three workers who had been charged quit this year. Like Bader, he no longer works on voter registration drives.
"I had questioned them on their voter registrations, because we found a few that were not sufficient," Burkett said. "That's why I don't work with them anymore."
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-votefraud27oct27,1,1120010.story?ctrack=1&cset=true