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Taco John
10-23-2006, 12:17 AM
Despite the disappointment I feel for our defense and losing their streak, there were some tremendous positives on both sides of the field.

Listing the ones that come to mind from this game:

1. Elvis Dumerville looks like the real deal. This guy has a motor that just doesn't stop running, and he seems to be the missing ingredient for our defensive pressure woes. We could still use more consistency up front, but Elvis is a real plus for this team.

2. Javon-freaking-Walker. This guy flat out plays ball. How the Packers could let him get away for so cheap is unfathomable to me. The Patriots got a first round draft pick for a guy who is half the receiver that Javon is. Javon not only made some tremendous grabs, but saved what looked like two sure interceptions on the strength of effort. The guy plays from whistle to whistle and doesn't give up. I can't say enough about how excited I am about the future of this team and how much I'm looking forward to the Cutler/Walker expressway to open up.

3. Rod Smith looking like Rod Smith. It was only 69 yards, but it was 69 Rod Smith yards. It's good to see Rod finding some consistency in the passing game again.

4. Tatum Bell - Another 100 yard game for Tatum Bell. Gaining an average of 4.79 per carry, Bell continues to chalk up the yards. When teams finally start respecting our passing game again (which won't be too long if Walker has anything to say about it), Bell should start breaking the big runs we're accustomed to see him running, but in the mean time, he's turned into the grinder that many doubted he could become.

There's a few of the positives I saw. What did you see?

Clockwork Orange
10-23-2006, 12:23 AM
I like that Tatum carrying the ball 24 times for 115 yards is becoming a common occurance. No longer is it, "Wow! Tatum had a great game." Instead it's more like, "Yep, another great game for Tatum." It just floors me how he's seemingly reinvented himself, he looks nothing like the change of pace back we saw for the first two years of his career.

Javon showed why he's such a complete receiver. He can catch 3 passes for 100 yards or 10 passes for 100 yards, whatever you need. Short, intermediate or deep routes, doesn't matter, Javon can do it and do it well.

There was a Brandon Marshall sighting. Hey, you gotta start somewhere.

There's not much more that can be said about the defense other than thanks for the five wins, guys.

2KBack
10-23-2006, 12:25 AM
I simply liked the fact that Shanny seems determined to get the passing game going. I only watched the game via Gamecast, but it seemed like the passing game was opened up more, which was odd considering the weather. I think he is making the right calls, If plummer is going to fail, let him fail trying to make plays, not running around scared to mess up. I liked the playcalling in the first half much more than in recent weeks.

Bell is surprising me with the running, I'd like to see him break the big one once in a while, but moving the chains is more important and he is doing that.

there seems to be a playmaker in every level of the defense. it almost seems like it would be impossible to score on one play against Denver. if the D-line doesn't get you, there's no way you burn the LB crew, and if you are that good you have to deal with a great tackling secondary lead by Lynch the human hammer, and Champ "Lockdown" Bailey.

CBF1
10-23-2006, 12:26 AM
Jake only threw 2 INT's today and zero lost fumbles.

I totally agree with your takes on Walker, Elvis, Rod. Champ was his normal steller self again today. Time to sack it up and see where we stand against Indy and Peyton. We can do it!

Rep TJ

Atwater His Ass
10-23-2006, 12:28 AM
Elvis Elvis Elvis. It's so nice to have a guy on the DL get consisntent pressure and close the deal with the sack. Wether he can become an every down DL remains to be seen, but I'm so happy with his performance thus far.

Clockwork Orange
10-23-2006, 12:33 AM
Elvis Elvis Elvis. It's so nice to have a guy on the DL get consisntent pressure and close the deal with the sack. Wether he can become an every down DL remains to be seen, but I'm so happy with his performance thus far.

There's no rush to make him an every down player. The Broncos D-line rotates players in and out pretty regularly anyway, so there's no need to try and squeeze more out of him than he's giving them now.

It's f'n awesome to finally have a player in that rotation who can flat out get after the QB. It's been sorely lacking for some time. I just hope the kid can keep it up.

Pendejo
10-23-2006, 12:38 AM
There's no rush to make him an every down player. The Broncos D-line rotates players in and out pretty regularly anyway, so there's no need to try and squeeze more out of him than he's giving them now.

It's f'n awesome to finally have a player in that rotation who can flat out get after the QB. It's been sorely lacking for some time. I just hope the kid can keep it up.

I hear that.

The good news is he's always been small for his position, but he's also sacked quarterbacks at a ridiculously high rate. In high School, college, and to this point the pros. It's unlikely that he'll maintain his current pace, but history, and his performance dictates that he won't forget how pounce on a signal caller any time soon.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-23-2006, 12:50 AM
Good:
I thought Sam Brandon played pretty well in the big nickel package. Foster wasn't a complete liability, and actually threw a key block on Tatum's score. Brandon Marshall looks like he is healthy and able to contribute... that first catch over the middle was fantastic.

Tatum ran well.. and most of his runs were from a single back formation. I wish we had a devastating lead blocker like Griffith again.

Dumervill... I'm on the bandwagon. All the guy does is make plays. What a great pick.

Bad:
Both Bells missed blocking assignments that led to immediate sacks.

No production from the TE position again.

Quincy Morgan with another WTF was he thinking return on the opening kickoff. Someone tackle him in the endzone the next time he catches it 4 yards deep.

Ernster pretty much couldn't kick his way out of a wet paper bag. He certainly was the benificiary of some fortunate bounces. I wonder if Todd would come back if Mike got on his knees and begged?

snowspot66
10-23-2006, 01:03 AM
I never thought I would ever say this but if it's a run play I don't want it to be anybody but Tatum in there. It just seems like everytime he gets the ball this year he gets decent yards. It's like the blocking magically improves just for him. Other guys get in there and it's a flood of defenders.

Gort
10-23-2006, 01:14 AM
There's a few of the positives I saw. What did you see?

Al Wilson TAKING the ball away from Droughns. Lynch was miked up a couple of games ago and implored the D that they needed to step up and create turnovers. The D has listened. Since that point, they've had a number of nice INTs and a couple of fumble recoveries, but Al Wilson's stands out tonight because it was the result of his smart, agressive play and not sloppiness by the O. in a test of strength, he simply showed Droughns that he was stronger and ripped the ball out of Droughns' hands. nothing at all Droughns could do about it. that TO was 100% Al Wilson, and that's good to see.

2KBack
10-23-2006, 01:18 AM
Al Wilson TAKING the ball away from Droughns. Lynch was miked up a couple of games ago and implored the D that they needed to step up and create turnovers. The D has listened. Since that point, they've had a number of nice INTs and a couple of fumble recoveries, but Al Wilson's stands out tonight because it was the result of his smart, agressive play and not sloppiness by the O. in a test of strength, he simply showed Droughns that he was stronger and ripped the ball out of Droughns' hands. nothing at all Droughns could do about it. that TO was 100% Al Wilson, and that's good to see.


Urlacher gets page one news for that kind of play, but you won't hear word one from anybody about Al this week.

I know the collapse on monday night helps with the media coverage, but Al never gets his props outside of denver,

fontaine
10-23-2006, 01:35 AM
There's a few of the positives I saw. What did you see?

Champ Bailey serving up a huge plate of whoopa$$ to Braylon Edwards.

Edwards stat line for the nite: 2 rec for 6 yards.

Champ: 1 int 30 yards!

Gort
10-23-2006, 01:38 AM
if they were to make a movie of this game, the dialogue in the script would go something like this.

Droughns: uh.. ughgh
Defender #1: thump!
Defender #2: kapow!
Wilson: Stripping the ball from Droughns tightly clenched hands "Waddup be-yatch? You're not going anywhere. In fact, I think I'll take that ball from you and there ain't nothing you can do about it."
Droughns: Wimpering "Please, noooooo....."


:espnsux:

watermock
10-23-2006, 01:40 AM
There were some real positives indeed...and one glaring black hole at QB. Jake had about 7 good throws that might be classified as NFL caliber. Champ got crossed up on their TD. He shoudl of taken the short reciever. He was in no man's land. He can't cover two at once, he should of picked one but was all crossed up...very rare for him.

Again, it's a conference road win to put in the piggy bank. Apparently, we will have to endure Jake for awhile yet. Maybe he will break out of his funk next week. We will need it. I don't think 17 points will cut it.

watermock
10-23-2006, 01:41 AM
Droughns played like a man on a mission, but Rhino stole his lunch money.

Kaylore
10-23-2006, 01:54 AM
Despite the disappointment I feel for our defense and losing their streak, there were some tremendous positives on both sides of the field.

Listing the ones that come to mind from this game:

1. Elvis Dumerville looks like the real deal. This guy has a motor that just doesn't stop running, and he seems to be the missing ingredient for our defensive pressure woes. We could still use more consistency up front, but Elvis is a real plus for this team.

2. Javon-freaking-Walker. This guy flat out plays ball. How the Packers could let him get away for so cheap is unfathomable to me. The Patriots got a first round draft pick for a guy who is half the receiver that Javon is. Javon not only made some tremendous grabs, but saved what looked like two sure interceptions on the strength of effort. The guy plays from whistle to whistle and doesn't give up. I can't say enough about how excited I am about the future of this team and how much I'm looking forward to the Cutler/Walker expressway to open up.

3. Rod Smith looking like Rod Smith. It was only 69 yards, but it was 69 Rod Smith yards. It's good to see Rod finding some consistency in the passing game again.

4. Tatum Bell - Another 100 yard game for Tatum Bell. Gaining an average of 4.79 per carry, Bell continues to chalk up the yards. When teams finally start respecting our passing game again (which won't be too long if Walker has anything to say about it), Bell should start breaking the big runs we're accustomed to see him running, but in the mean time, he's turned into the grinder that many doubted he could become.

There's a few of the positives I saw. What did you see?


Good post, Taco.

1. Rod Smith still can get separation from his defenders and make the tough catches. I think he's still got a good couple years left in him especially the way Javon will start to draw a lot of coverage.

2. Tatum is a solid 100 yard guy every down now. He go outside and inside. His pass protections is much better and he is showing good hands. The next step for him is more big plays. Those will come.

3. Erik Pears did fine at left tackle. Yeah, he gave up some plays, but he hasn't really worked with Ben Hamilton. I don't know how he'll do on Freeney, but I'm not totally worried we're going to get screwed - especially in the run game.

4. Marshall showed up. I don't know if we'll ever hear from him again, but Walker believes in him and if he keeps pushing himself he could another Walker. :D

5. Mike Bell. Tatum's been playing so well, we've lost sight of Mike Bell, but he seems like our version of Michael Turner where he's a good tough back we can bring in late to bang out the tough yards and preserve Bell.

Another thing unrelated to this game is that we can put to bed the myths that we don't play well in nationaly televised games and that the Ravens own us.

Atlas
10-23-2006, 05:05 AM
5. Mike Bell. Tatum's been playing so well, we've lost sight of Mike Bell, but he seems like our version of Michael Turner where he's a good tough back we can bring in late to bang out the tough yards and preserve Bell.
.

Mike Bell had one good carry every carry after that was for minus or 1 or 2 yards.

I'm hoping Cobbs will be ready to get some action against the Colts. His physical style against that weak run defending team could provide a huge gain for the Broncs.

Odysseus
10-23-2006, 05:10 AM
1.) RECEIVERS: Javon FREAKING Walker is 10 foot tall and our recieving core is going to be incredible. Javon invested in Brandon Marshall. BIG TIME. Kircus is on the radar. Smith was MR. Smith. I am at a point where I am sick of Jake but I still think it's too early for Cutler. Jake took a defense doughnut and blew it. THAT is selfish and unforgivable. How do you screw 80% of the Broncos team efforts at this point? Offense has been a joke.

2. DEFENSE: All that talk about the Defensive line. I like what they did in the off season and am thrilled to say so many people were wrong when it came to the defensive line? Remember the season of "what about the offensive line". Shanahan is sooo good at this football thing. Doubters be forewarned.

Edit: Our linebackers are scary good. It's like watching a wolf pack attack. They are so fast they can miss the tackle and still bury the guy for a loss. I'm really impressed with how much the CB has improved over the past five years. Scary.

EDIT: The offseason where we picked up the Browncos has to be one of the biggest coups in recent NFL history. We drafted 3 CB's. Remember the off season of "What is Shanahan doing"? Five years of "when are going to get picks and sacks?
Are we there yet?

3. Running game: The second the Broncos running game gets to just one level better they should start Cutler. Plummer has failed as a care taker, game manager, inspiration, and his lack of loyalty to his own team was clear when he sold out the defenses shutout this week. The defense has carried him this whole season and they one gift he could have given them was not to revert to his stained Cardinal past. Cutler should look at Plummer and realize what his draft cousin is going to become.

Special Teams: You carry the luggage this week.

-Slap-
10-23-2006, 05:28 AM
There's no rush to make him an every down player. The Broncos D-line rotates players in and out pretty regularly anyway, so there's no need to try and squeeze more out of him than he's giving them now.

It's f'n awesome to finally have a player in that rotation who can flat out get after the QB. It's been sorely lacking for some time. I just hope the kid can keep it up.

They have to utilize Elvis with the bar-of-soap theory in mind: the more you use it, the quicker it will wear out. Limit his reps and resist the urge to overplay him and he'll still be sacking quarterbacks when the playoffs roll around.

OrangeShadow
10-23-2006, 05:41 AM
There were a lot of positives in this game

1. DOOMAHVILLE the kid just doesnt stop. I know its 5 sacks against the likes of oakland and cleveland but its nice to see pressure from the frount four. Not just from elvis but from the line as a whole which is doing a much better job

2.Javon Walker, you cant say enough about this guy. He makes tough catches and makes it look easy. He plays the ball better than any reciever i have seen, ripping the ball away from defenders,knocking it away from others. Also he showed great class on the play where baxter got hurt, calling attention for him and jogging down to wish him well. That and telling marshall to sub in for him because he knew that route was going to exploit the coverage.

3. Tatum Bell, it seems like hes running a lot harder than he did all of last year. Hes not going down on first contact nearly as much and it seems like he just wants it. He was playing on a hurt ankle for most of the game and sucked it up and played football

4. The youngsters stepping up BIG TIME. From elvis to marshall to pears all the youngsters who were asked to make plays made them,numerous times. Its so nice to see the draft is paying off already.

5. The defense being the defense. Champ making a play for a pick(big suprise). Al ripping the ball away from droughns(sp) and the pressure on frye was pretty constant. And only 165 yards of total offense for cleveland.

Overall i thought it was a pretty solid game.

Orange_Beard
10-23-2006, 05:56 AM
1. Elvis looks like a freak. Next week will be a key test. If he can sack manning , we are looking at a canadate for rookie of the year. He will roll for the rest of the year, the missing player on the D.

2. Marshall looks like a a "big-time" player.

3. We are one step closer to Culter. Plummer was total crap. He is showing his true colors. I do like when he runs.

4. Our linebackers are the best in the game.

5. Champ is ready for the Colts.

55CrushEm
10-23-2006, 06:20 AM
1. Elvis looks like a freak. Next week will be a key test. If he can sack manning , we are looking at a canadate for rookie of the year. He will roll for the rest of the year, the missing player on the D.

2. Marshall looks like a a "big-time" player.

3. We are one step closer to Culter. Plummer was total crap. He is showing his true colors. I do like when he runs.

4. Our linebackers are the best in the game.

5. Champ is ready for the Colts.

I'm not worried about Champ on Harrison......but I'm concerned about D'Will on Wayne.....

Killericon
10-23-2006, 06:28 AM
Like everyone else, I hopped on the Dumervil bandwagon as soon as we drafted him. It's nice to see he's proving to be something special.

Javon Walker had another great day, but more importantly, perhaps, was how Rod Smith didn't have another terrible day. A lot of people on this board were ready to give up on him.

The Colts game will be spectacular.

Mile High Shack
10-23-2006, 06:32 AM
our defense is amazing, plain and simple

Javon is so good it's scary, I can't only dream of what he'd look like with a good QB

Tatum is the man, plain and simple.

Jake Plummer sucks, I'm done with him

freak6
10-23-2006, 06:33 AM
I thought D.J. Williams played well. Al Wilson got juked pretty bad. Winslow was contained. Rod looked back to form. Jake did throw a TD to someone other than Javon!

Atlas
10-23-2006, 06:49 AM
I thought D.J. Williams played well. Al Wilson got juked pretty bad. Winslow was contained. Rod looked back to form. Jake did throw a TD to someone other than Javon!

Denver did an awesome job on Winslow. Brandon might be one of the most underrated players on the team. He plays an important role on the team and gets little recognition. HE plays a bigger role on the team than the #3 WR... whoever that is!!

bpc
10-23-2006, 06:49 AM
My thoughts on the game:

-We can beat Indy with Jake at the helm especially at home. We will need a huge effort from the fans though and we'll need to play a more complete game. If the KC/SD game shows anything, home-field can have a huge impact on the outcome of a game. If their game was in SD, KC would have gotten ran off the field.

- Another gritty effort by Tatum. I hope our runners are ready to run this next week. We need to expose the Colts run defense badly.

- I love Javon's matchup on anybody this week and we need to go to him often. ELITE.

- Brandon Marshall is starting to get better. That means we can bump him up the 3rd WR spot. I think that is a better play for Plummer right now anyways. He needs WR's that can retrieve jump balls.

- Sadly, no TE sightings again. I have a feeling we'll be trying to use them more often this week.

- Tough sledding for the OL losing Lepsis. It is being reported as a strained knee. We can only hope it is that. There can be positive in this. It will force us develop more depth. We can find out what we have with Pears and Meadows... something we questioned a few weeks back.

- Warren by far will be the biggest loss of the two injuries we have this week. We are down to two DT's on the roster and Warren is a key to us holding offenses on 1st and 2nd down... as well as pushing the pocket on 3rd down.

- Dumervil... amazing. He is one of the peices of the puzzle that a team needs to have. We haven't had a person that can close sacks this well in a long time. I don't know if he will be a everydown player but he is one of those cogs that make a unit special. He is something we can build off of. Couldn't have come at a better time.

- Champ... another huge pick.

Odysseus
10-23-2006, 07:11 AM
They have to utilize Elvis with the bar-of-soap theory in mind: the more you use it, the quicker it will wear out. Limit his reps and resist the urge to overplay him and he'll still be sacking quarterbacks when the playoffs roll around.

It's kind of hard to resist though. I'm thinking the Broncos are going to use him like a sledehammer until someone figures out how to stop him and then they will flip scripts. They have enough other ways to get pressure on the QB. Why not?!

Mediator12
10-23-2006, 07:29 AM
1. Elvis has produced the last two games. That is a huge bonus, but he has feasted on two of the worst pass blocking OL's in the league. If he can get to Manning and past a hobbled Ryan Diem then he gets major Props from me. Right now count me cautiously optimistic.

2. Darrent Williams had a good performance not getting beat deep against Edwards and making several great tackles in run support and Zone coverages.

3. Tatum is becoming who we thought he should be. Tougher and five yards clip with less negative runs than Portis. BTW, he has yet to break any long runs and is still on pace for 1600+ yards since he split carries the first two games. He could be an excellent weapon in the flats without the screen too. His hands are much better this year.

4. Anyone still doubt the Javon Walker acquisition? Dude is going to be a top 5 WR in prodution when he gets a real QB. The sooner the better for him.

5. Marshall's injury has hampered him to this point, but he is looking stronger each game. He and Walker are going to be money real soon and Kircus is going to be able to go against weaker #3 CB's too. WR's have talent and a lot of potential.

Billy Clyde Puckett
10-23-2006, 08:44 AM
Has anyone mentioned another great game by DJ?

Agree that DW is stepping up big and Foxworth played well in the nickel.

People ragging on Ernster need to remember the wind factor. If he, or anyone else, had hit those high floaters the ball would have blown to Pittsburgh.

The bad - Hope Hixon is ready to play - Morgan is not the answer.

freak6
10-23-2006, 09:21 AM
Has anyone mentioned another great game by DJ?



I did, but I like Brandon in the big nickel, rather than Foxy in the regular nickel, who I consider hesitant/scared.

Tredici
10-23-2006, 09:42 AM
Again, the Broncos played a fairly clean game. Being the least penalized team in the NFL definitely has it's advantages. Both the offense and defense are to be commended for the discipline being shown.

A few third downs were actually converted. I think it was still slightly under 50% but those three and outs kills the team.

Took advantage of red zone opportunities. That has to continue.

bloodsunday
10-23-2006, 09:55 AM
I agree with just about all the positives here. But what about a guy like Sam Brandon? I like what they are doing with him and shutting down these atheltic tightends. Creative use of a home-grown kid. Props to the coaching staff and Brandon for that.

While I haven't "graded out" the film, I was happy with Veal and Pears. Both had HUGE shoes to fill and I thought both did so admirably.

T-Bell is on pace for 1500 yds despite playing some tough defenses and splitting carries early on.

bloodsunday
10-23-2006, 10:00 AM
4. Anyone still doubt the Javon Walker acquisition? Dude is going to be a top 5 WR in prodution when he gets a real QB. The sooner the better for him.

5. Marshall's injury has hampered him to this point, but he is looking stronger each game. He and Walker are going to be money real soon and Kircus is going to be able to go against weaker #3 CB's too. WR's have talent and a lot of potential.

This is without a doubt the best I have felt top-to-bottom about our receiving corp (WR and TE), which makes this whole offensive issue so damn puzzling to me. It appears Scheffler is struggling (was he even active?), but I thought the coaches did a smart thing by getting a more seasoned Nate Jackson into the game plan.

Derger_Louis
10-23-2006, 10:25 AM
[QUOTE=watermock;1324231] Champ got crossed up on their TD. He shoudl of taken the short reciever. He was in no man's land. He can't cover two at once, he should of picked one but was all crossed up...very rare for him. /QUOTE]

I may be mistaken, but wasn't champ covering Winslow(?) dragging across the back of the endzone, and DJ covering Jurevicius on that play? Once DJ went for the QB that left Jurevicius open. Not sure what defense was called as I only saw the play once. Can anyone help - Med?

Gcver2ver3
10-23-2006, 10:26 AM
Tremendous negative....Lepsis out

Los Broncos
10-23-2006, 10:50 AM
Champ is the man! Shut down Marvin please!

orange 4 life
10-23-2006, 10:59 AM
Despite the disappointment I feel for our defense and losing their streak, there were some tremendous positives on both sides of the field.

Listing the ones that come to mind from this game:

1. Elvis Dumerville looks like the real deal. This guy has a motor that just doesn't stop running, and he seems to be the missing ingredient for our defensive pressure woes. We could still use more consistency up front, but Elvis is a real plus for this team.

2. Javon-freaking-Walker. This guy flat out plays ball. How the Packers could let him get away for so cheap is unfathomable to me. The Patriots got a first round draft pick for a guy who is half the receiver that Javon is. Javon not only made some tremendous grabs, but saved what looked like two sure interceptions on the strength of effort. The guy plays from whistle to whistle and doesn't give up. I can't say enough about how excited I am about the future of this team and how much I'm looking forward to the Cutler/Walker expressway to open up.

3. Rod Smith looking like Rod Smith. It was only 69 yards, but it was 69 Rod Smith yards. It's good to see Rod finding some consistency in the passing game again.

4. Tatum Bell - Another 100 yard game for Tatum Bell. Gaining an average of 4.79 per carry, Bell continues to chalk up the yards. When teams finally start respecting our passing game again (which won't be too long if Walker has anything to say about it), Bell should start breaking the big runs we're accustomed to see him running, but in the mean time, he's turned into the grinder that many doubted he could become.

There's a few of the positives I saw. What did you see?

im with you on those observations, and i would also add that i think the overall gameplan on offense was a positive.
we missed a golden opportunity after a turnover and punted from their 36, and we missed a 42 yard fg, but we also did have two drives over 80 yards, and we certainly opened it up a bit.
also, we FINALLY used the middle of the field a bit.
still no tight ends, but it was good to see things opened up, and while plummer was nowhere NEAR perfect, he did lead us downfield and threw some darts.
obviously he needs to make those plays WITHOUT throwing the int's, but considering what he's done the last three years im not too worried about that.

bottom line is we threw the ball more, we MOVED the ball more, we set up the run, and hopefully the points will follow.
other than the int's (and almost int's), i was pretty satisfied with the win.

jake

riiiiick
10-23-2006, 11:17 AM
we won. pitt, SD, and philly all put up huge offensive numbers yesterday and lost. i still believe jake can turn it around and did for about 2/3's of the game, however, i would rather have a win than big offensive numbers from jake and a loss. we are 5-1 and ready for indy!

Atwater His Ass
10-23-2006, 12:23 PM
I'm very happy with the DL play. Predator and Elvis are getting excellent pressure and we are holding up against the run just as good as last season. I think we still need to get younger talent next year on the DL, but I'm happy where we are at right now.

The rest of the defense is just outstanding. I think we will give up some yards to Indy, but I think we can hold them out of the endzone.

On offense, I thought we played better, but we still have problems closing the deal and getting TD's. Plummer is awful, but what are we supposed to do? You can't start Cutler at this point in the schedule. Especially with our starting LT out for the rest of the year. I think we can win with Jake, but it will take a tremendous effort from the defense.

Tatum I thought played well, but I still think he gets stuffed at the line too much, although he looked much better than Mike Bell. I also want to see the big runs from last season. Overall, excellent effort and above average production from Tatum.

loborugger
10-23-2006, 02:58 PM
Everyone is getting excited about Elvis - as am I - but Elvis's two great performances have been against the Raiders and Browns. Not exactly road grader O Lines. I am looking forward to seeing how he does against Indy and Pitt - two teams with very good O Lines.

Odysseus
10-23-2006, 03:25 PM
Everyone is getting excited about Elvis - as am I - but Elvis's two great performances have been against the Raiders and Browns. Not exactly road grader O Lines. I am looking forward to seeing how he does against Indy and Pitt - two teams with very good O Lines.

Let's put this in perspective. We played one or two suck teams last year and didn't get this big of deal. Sign me up for the hype.

The loss of Lepsis is actually a pretty big deal. Broncos will adjust but the problem will come show up on crucial downs and later in the season.

My question is this: Offensive struggles: How much of that is Dinger?

Atwater His Ass
10-23-2006, 04:25 PM
Everyone is getting excited about Elvis - as am I - but Elvis's two great performances have been against the Raiders and Browns. Not exactly road grader O Lines. I am looking forward to seeing how he does against Indy and Pitt - two teams with very good O Lines.


Yeah, but we couldn't get it done last year at all. We may be overstating Elvis, but at least he is taking advantage of the opportunity. And with him being a rookie, it's even more impressive to me.

TheChamp24
10-23-2006, 05:35 PM
You might say Elvis did it against poor teams, but he has already SURPASSED our sack leaders of last year. Thats saying something.

Jetmeck
10-23-2006, 06:13 PM
I'm not worried about Champ on Harrison......but I'm concerned about D'Will on Wayne.....


I hear you and agree to a point. What bothers me is the
playing off the receiver and giving up the 5-10 yard pass/slant or whatever regularly. He does tackle them quickly and has played fairly well is tight man coverage down the field.

azbroncfan
10-23-2006, 08:20 PM
1.) RECEIVERS: Javon FREAKING Walker is 10 foot tall and our recieving core is going to be incredible. Javon invested in Brandon Marshall. BIG TIME. Kircus is on the radar. Smith was MR. Smith. I am at a point where I am sick of Jake but I still think it's too early for Cutler. Jake took a defense doughnut and blew it. THAT is selfish and unforgivable. How do you screw 80% of the Broncos team efforts at this point? Offense has been a joke.

2. DEFENSE: All that talk about the Defensive line. I like what they did in the off season and am thrilled to say so many people were wrong when it came to the defensive line? Remember the season of "what about the offensive line". Shanahan is sooo good at this football thing. Doubters be forewarned.

Edit: Our linebackers are scary good. It's like watching a wolf pack attack. They are so fast they can miss the tackle and still bury the guy for a loss. I'm really impressed with how much the CB has improved over the past five years. Scary.

EDIT: The offseason where we picked up the Browncos has to be one of the biggest coups in recent NFL history. We drafted 3 CB's. Remember the off season of "What is Shanahan doing"? Five years of "when are going to get picks and sacks?
Are we there yet?

3. Running game: The second the Broncos running game gets to just one level better they should start Cutler. Plummer has failed as a care taker, game manager, inspiration, and his lack of loyalty to his own team was clear when he sold out the defenses shutout this week. The defense has carried him this whole season and they one gift he could have given them was not to revert to his stained Cardinal past. Cutler should look at Plummer and realize what his draft cousin is going to become.

Special Teams: You carry the luggage this week.

Denver is going to see where the DL is after this game. If they can pressure manning with 4 I will be a believer and Dumerville should get alot of action this week.

broncofan2438
10-23-2006, 08:33 PM
We need COurtney Brown and everyone to stay healthy. Putting pressure on manning and our corners making some huge plays, but most importantly, yes the croud must get loud

Billy Clyde Puckett
10-23-2006, 09:05 PM
We need COurtney Brown and everyone to stay healthy. Putting pressure on manning and our corners making some huge plays, but most importantly, yes the croud must get loud

Brown had another surgery and is on IR. Done for the year, at least.