Thread for people who are enjoying the win but still want Plummer benched.

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haha....awesome

And you're even dumber than he is. Not as ****ed up, but dumber.

[Garcia Bronco]

And you're even dumber than he is. Not as ****ed up, but dumber.

And you're not very nice...you...you...Gary Bussey look-a-like.:giggle:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

My favorite post of yours was when you said six year olds shouldn't get participation trophies in little league because it would make them grow up queer or something.
What, you got to be kidding?!

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****, that's not even in the top five of ugly celebrities that have been compared to me.

[-Slap-]

What, you got to be kidding?!

You've got to be kidding me that you don't believe Errant would profess such an opinion.

[Garcia Bronco]

****, that's not even in the top five of ugly celebrities that have been compared to me.

Who are the five?

[-Slap-]

Who are the five?

What could possibly be my motivation to divulge that?

[Garcia Bronco]

And participation trophies are a joke,

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You've got to be kidding me that you don't believe Errant would profess such an opinion.I can't picture even Errant saying anything as ignorant as that.

And participation trophies are a joke,
Never mind. I forgot about the incredible brilliance of some of the members here.

[Garcia Bronco]

tony romo...lmao

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And participation trophies are a joke,

I know, badass macho guys like you and Errant have little time for such things.

[Garcia Bronco]

I know, badass macho guys like you and Errant have little time for such things.

It does more harm than good IMO.

[-Slap-]

I can't picture even Errant saying anything as ignorant as that.

Garcia's that ignorant.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It does more harm than good IMO.Turns them into queers eh Garcia?

[Garcia Bronco]

LMAO...you guys are all class.

[-Slap-]

LMAO...you guys are all class.

Enlighten us then. How are they "harmed"?

[Garcia Bronco]

Turns them into queers eh Garcia?

who knows...probably takes more social influence than that, but I think it gives an empty sense of accomplishment once the child realizes they didn't really earn anything. And that inturn can have negative consequences.

[Garcia Bronco]

What could possibly be my motivation to divulge that?

because i think you are FOS

[Spider]

who knows...probably takes more social influence than that, but I think it gives an empty sense of accomplishment once the child realizes they didn't really earn anything. And that inturn can have negative consequences.

So I guess we can scratch you donation to Special Olympics .......... Now Crazy has nothing to look forward to

[Bronco_Beerslug]

who knows...probably takes more social influence than that, but I think it gives an empty sense of accomplishment once the child realizes they didn't really earn anything. And that inturn can have negative consequences.
And how many children have you little leagued and raised?

[-Slap-]

who knows...probably takes more social influence than that, but I think it gives an empty sense of accomplishment once the child realizes they didn't really earn anything. And that inturn can have negative consequences.

Your interpretation of what a kid that age has earned might be significantly different from that of the child and/or their parents.

Its not a first place trophy or a team MVP trophy, its a participation trophy. Nobody is trying to get away with a fast one here.

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because i think you are FOS

You're right. I'm far too handsome to be compared to any ugly celebrities. You really burned me that time, Garcia.

[Spider]

who knows...probably takes more social influence than that, but I think it gives an empty sense of accomplishment once the child realizes they didn't really earn anything. And that inturn can have negative consequences.

this is so wrong on so many levels .........
I tell my Kids that 5 seconds in the saddle is worth a life time in the stands ..... so the kid gets a trophy for getting off his áss and trying . there goes America right to hell in a hand basket .........

[azbroncfan]

I didn't page through all the pages and someone might of mentioned it already but I think these next two games are plummers last chance. If Den loses both Plummers gone unless they lose 35-38 or something where the O shows up. Cutler couldn't possibly play much worse so you might as well play the kid.

[Garcia Bronco]

And how many children have you little leagued and raised?

zero.

[penguintheory]

who knows...probably takes more social influence than that, but I think it gives an empty sense of accomplishment once the child realizes they didn't really earn anything. And that inturn can have negative consequences.

So a false sense of accomplishment is directly correlated to wanting it in the poop?

:flower:

[Garcia Bronco]

Your interpretation of what a kid that age has earned might be significantly different from that of the child and/or their parents.

Its not a first place trophy or a team MVP trophy, its a participation trophy. Nobody is trying to get away with a fast one here.

I think it is a fast one...and more importantly I think you'll have kids out there that will grow to consider it a fast one.

[Garcia Bronco]

You're right. I'm far too handsome to be compared to any ugly celebrities. You really burned me that time, Garcia.

Handsome like a sasquatch...admit it...you tie chops around you neck so the dogs with play you.

[Garcia Bronco]

this is so wrong on so many levels .........
I tell my Kids that 5 seconds in the saddle is worth a life time in the stands ..... so the kid gets a trophy for getting off his áss and trying . there goes America right to hell in a hand basket .........

Trophies should be given to the best in achievement...I think anytime you give anybody something they didn't earn...CEO...kid or homeless person..it's not a good thing.

[penguintheory]

What's wrong with commending a kid for trying? Not all sports leagues (especially children's leagues) are competitive. Most exist to get kids exercising, playing fun games they can relate to professional sports and thus role models, and teach life skills such as teamwork, fairness, and sportsmanship.

These qualities are epitomized in participation trophies. A little token saying good job for coming out to play, please come back again and learn to love the game. Giving trophies to only star athletes only creates inferiority complexes in children - far more damaging to their psyches than anything. Nobody's saying put these kids in fantasy land, but sports should be for everyone, not just the Jack Elways of the world.

[Spider]

Trophies should be given to the best in achievement...I think anytime you give anybody something they didn't earn...CEO...kid or homeless person..it's not a good thing.

and they also say jerking off puts hair on the palm of your hands

[Garcia Bronco]

What's wrong with commending a kid for trying? Not all sports leagues (especially children's leagues) are competitive. Most exist to get kids exercising, playing fun games they can relate to professional sports and thus role models, and teach life skills such as teamwork, fairness, and sportsmanship.

These qualities are epitomized in participation trophies. A little token saying good job for coming out to play, please come back again and learn to love the game. Giving trophies to only star athletes only creates inferiority complexes in children - far more damaging to their psyches than anything. Nobody's saying put these kids in fantasy land, but sports should be for everyone, not just the Jack Elways of the world.

I think it's a false sense of accomplishment and builds a weak foundation...I mean....why keep score either(and I realize some leagues don't). Why start a kid off thinking that just because they participated they will succeed or that they have accomplished success? It's an unrealistic representation of reality. The Jack Elways of the world are bring something to the table I don't dig...holding their kids back to be older, bigger, and stronger than the younger competition. I think that's dirty.

[Garcia Bronco]

and they also say jerking off puts hair on the palm of your hands

only for cavemen

[Taco John]

Why do you guys have to rain on the parade here? We're trying to enjoy our win and pick apart our 5-1 quarterback here. You guys just don't enjoy winning as much as me.

[Garcia Bronco]

Why do you guys have to rain on the parade here? We're trying to enjoy our win and pick apart our 5-1 quarterback here. You guys just don't enjoy winning as much as me.

Here is a trophy for participating

[ludo21]

Romo looked good in preseason too. ;D

Point is, game was winnable for the Boys, and he made critcal mistakes that cost them the game.

I think Cutler would do better, but who is to say he would? Romo aint a rook either!

[penguintheory]

I think it's a false sense of accomplishment and builds a weak foundation...I mean....why keep score either(and I realize some leagues don't). Why start a kid off thinking that just because they participated they will succeed or that they have accomplished success? It's an unrealistic representation of reality. The Jack Elways of the world are bring something to the table I don't dig...holding their kids back to be older, bigger, and stronger than the younger competition. I think that's dirty.

What you're advocating for is the alienation of less athletically talented children from organized sports, which I believe is utterly ludicrous. Coming from the Plummer apologist who believes we should give our well-paid professional quarterback a second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and now seventh chance to prove he isn't a total joke and the root of our offense's problem... how can you possibly say that in children's sports, only the most athletically gifted should be recognized for their contribution to the game?

Poor Plummer, even with that good NFL money he can't perform yet you defend him to the hilt, ignoring his obvious deficiencies and standing by his utter mediocrity. But, if the kid down the street isn't exactly the best Pop Warner player to throw on shoulder pads, he don't deserve nothing. Brilliant.

[freak6]

Yeah they got creamed by the 49ers...55-10.

So tell us Freak, did you blast Dan for starting Elway in that game (3 ints, his best pass completion was 28 yard shovel pass, and his first pass was a laser intot urf 10 yards shy of Mark Jackson)...were you calling for Kubiak to save the day?

BTW, the last time the Broncos led the NFL in scoring, they got wasted by the Raiders 42-24 in aplayoff game...so again what's your point?

Well I guess I proved my point didn't I errand. Of course I wasn't calling for Kubes. Get a clue.

But did I ever say we had to lead the NFL in scoring to win a championship. <b>NO I DID NOT.

Stop trying to put the burden of proof on me errand.</b> It was O4L that was talking out of his ass as usual, stating <u>"it's a lights out defense that wins championships anyway",</u> which I just totally disproved.

Freakzilla wins again.

BTW - my point is and has been that Jake Plummer is hurting the Broncos at the QB position more than any other starting QB in the NFL. So we should give the vastly more talented and poised rookie a shot. He can't do worse.

[penguintheory]

During our mid-90s Super Bowl years, we did not exactly have a lights-out defense. Our only marquee players were Atwater, Romo, and N. Smith, with pleasant performances from Romo, Alfred Williams, and Ray Crockett helping along. Darrien Gordon was a wild card - sometimes a big liability (Pittsburgh '97 vs. Thigpen... yuck), sometimes a huge gamebreaker.

But... I do remember being surprised whenever we didn't get six on our first possession. That was a dominant offense.

[ludo21]

Hurting the team so much we are 5-1, right?? ::)

[Garcia Bronco]

What you're advocating for is the alienation of less athletically talented children from organized sports, which I believe is utterly ludicrous. Coming from the Plummer apologist who believes we should give our well-paid professional quarterback a second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and now seventh chance to prove he isn't a total joke and the root of our offense's problem... how can you possibly say that in children's sports, only the most athletically gifted should be recognized for their contribution to the game?

Poor Plummer, even with that good NFL money he can't perform yet you defend him to the hilt, ignoring his obvious deficiencies and standing by his utter mediocrity. But, if the kid down the street isn't exactly the best Pop Warner player to throw on shoulder pads, he don't deserve nothing. Brilliant.


There is nothing wrong with recognizing players within the team concept above the rest. And those kids can contribute and play...no one is advocating the exclusion to play or participate...but there should be something to shoot for outside of just participating. It's an important life lesson.

Plummer is what he is...and it really hasn't changed...I just think that at 5-1 and with a rookie in tow...he should get the knod until the season is in doubt...and at 5-1...it ain't in doubt. Plummer is already gone....he was given notice on draft day...it's on the horizon. He will be demoted. I just don't think now is the time.

[Taco John]

Hurting the team so much we are 5-1, right?? ::)


Drew Bledsoe would be 5-1 with our defense... Maybe 6-0.

[penguintheory]

Hurting the team so much we are 5-1, right?? ::)

Rather have him hurt the team more?

[Garcia Bronco]

Drew Bledsoe would be 5-1 with our defense... Maybe 6-0.

What about tony romo?

[Taco John]

What about tony romo?


I wouldn't start Tony Romo over BVP... Ok... Maybe I would. But I don't know where the Tony Romo hype comes from. He wasn't highly valued coming out of college. He didn't look good enough before for Parcells to take a flyer on him. Basically, he's nothing but a desperation move, not a move to the future. I'll be surprised if he's the Cowboys starter opening day next season.

[penguintheory]

Romo's more like Jake in that his mistakes are less forgivable because he's thought to have reached a higher plane of potential than a rookie has. Jay will get a whole lot of cushion because he's a rookie. Romo has played for some years. Jake isn't getting the 8-man line in his face. Jake isn't getting the rookie disrespect (though he's doing his best to earn it). He's just stopping himself. It's not the team's job to carry the quarterback forever! I fear we'll overwork our defense - a key injury or two and the magic could evaporate. There's also no guarantee this special chemistry will carry through till next year.

[ludo21]

Romo played a great preseason, Cutler played a great pre season.

I realize its two different players, and 2 different prospects, but as far as this season goes, its the same.

[Garcia Bronco]

I wouldn't start Tony Romo over BVP... Ok... Maybe I would. But I don't know where the Tony Romo hype comes from. He wasn't highly valued coming out of college. He didn't look good enough before for Parcells to take a flyer on him. Basically, he's nothing but a desperation move, not a move to the future. I'll be surprised if he's the Cowboys starter opening day next season.

While I think their situation has litte to no bearing on ours....we are not desperate. I know it feels that way.....but we aren't

[freak6]

It does more harm than good IMO.

I completely destroyed your absurd earlier post, yet, now you go and say something even more stupid.

6 year olds get trophies for participating so that they have something to remember the season by. It gives them a sense of accomplishment so that they enjoy playing team sports, and want to do it again. They are just for fun, which is why they play in the 1st place. Am I seriously typing this. WTF is wrong with these people???

Do they really need to be told this. Are they really that stupid?

Are they just fkn with us. I hope they are. I hope Garcia doesn't knock up that 19 year old he is dating!!! lmao

Garcia wouldn't give her flowers after she gave birth, he'd play back the tape and show her areas where she was crying and then say, "I got you these flowers, but with that kind of effort, it'd just make you soft if I gave them to you."

[Spider]

only for cavemen
I guess the eye rumor is true also

[Garcia Bronco]

Romo's more like Jake in that his mistakes are less forgivable because he's thought to have reached a higher plane of potential than a rookie has. Jay will get a whole lot of cushion because he's a rookie. Romo has played for some years. Jake isn't getting the 8-man line in his face. Jake isn't getting the rookie disrespect (though he's doing his best to earn it). He's just stopping himself. It's not the team's job to carry the quarterback forever! I fear we'll overwork our defense - a key injury or two and the magic could evaporate. There's also no guarantee this special chemistry will carry through till next year.



Rookie...or 3rd year...still little to no game experience.

[Garcia Bronco]

Romo played a great preseason, Cutler played a great pre season.

I realize its two different players, and 2 different prospects, but as far as this season goes, its the same.

I didn't think Romo had a great preseason, but I could be wrong.

[ludo21]

well he did. ;D

[BroncoFanDoug]

You know what's funny? Jake has steadily eroded his base of support with each sub-par performance. People who were pleading for patience a couple weeks ago are ready to pelt his porch with garbage and rotten fruit today.

Not that I blame them. We all have different breaking points. We all have different capacities for self deception.

I am one calling uncle. I have always been a middle of the roader with Jake -done some good things does some stupid things.

If you step back from it, it seems insane to be calling to make the change - Plummer took us to the AFC Championship and we are 5-1. And we knocked off 2 undefeated teams and have had a pretty tough schedule. it's just hard to look at that info and not think we are crazy.

But this game - he had time, he had open rcvrs, he threw to browns. He is not the same QB as last year, and we are 6 games in and I do not see improvement. I don't see us winning the SB with Jake at this point, and nothing else really matters. Will Jay take us? Probably not. But at this point, I think our chances our better with Jay 'cause I think are chances are almost nil with Jake.

[freak6]

But this game - he had time, he had open rcvrs, he threw to browns. He is not the same QB as last year, and we are 6 games in and I do not see improvement. I don't see us winning the SB with Jake at this point, and nothing else really matters. Will Jay take us? Probably not. But at this point, I think our chances our better with Jay 'cause I think are chances are almost nil with Jake.

Good take. He really does look scared to any objective analyst. Poor throws + terrible reads = ints.

[ludo21]

Here is a good excuse to some of those throws. ;D

The Broncos had the wind at their backs in the 2nd and 3rd Quarters. In those 2 quarters they had 274 yards, 17 points (one missed FG), no INTs. In the 1st and 4th Quarters against the wind they had 68 yards, 0 points, 2 INTs. That is pretty telling. That said Jake has to play better.

Excuse nonetheless, but shows something

[DeusExManning]

Don't let the door hit you in your ass on the way out, say hi to Alec.

Classic, major rep.

[Popps]

Jake had a chance to turn a corner this weekend and didn't do it, or if he did.. it was in the wrong direction.

The last few games, he hasn't put up great stats but he kept that silly **** to a minimum. For whatever reason, he reverted to his Rams game ways.... putting the ball up in ridiculous situations.

Plummer almost set a league record for throws without an INT last year. Something has changed. He's always been limited, but we found a role for him and he hit a real groove. But, he's lost it... or they (offense) have lost it.

I don't know if it's Kubiak being gone, or Cutler looming.. or both. But... he puts up another game like that and Shanahan is going to have no choice at some point. All he had to do is just not make a few of those throws on Sunday, and it would have been a productive day for him.

I'm not for sticking in the rookie yet, but Jake needs to get back to where he was last season... like now. He looks like a completely different QB... and again, no matter what the reason, it needs to be fixed.

The good news is... in 2 weeks, I think we'll have our answer. Jake plays well and we win OR lose this weekend, he stays. If he falls apart, I think Jay will have the unenviable task of starting his first game against the Steelers. Either way, I still think we're in good shape.

[Kaylore]

Romo looked good in preseason too. ;D

Point is, game was winnable for the Boys, and he made critcal mistakes that cost them the game.

I think Cutler would do better, but who is to say he would? Romo aint a rook either!

Ludo, that's a pretty lame conclusion. There are maybe three quarterbacks in the league who could have possibly come back from that deficit and none of them would have been able to do so in their first career start. Remember he took reps with the second team in practice and that was his first game..."We're down by multiple scores! Go dig us out of the hole Bledsoe put us in. You didn't save us!? You suck! Clearly Jake Plummer is better"

Nope, that logic doesn't work.

[maven]

But I don't know where the Tony Romo hype comes from. He wasn't highly valued coming out of college. He didn't look good enough before for Parcells to take a flyer on him. Basically, he's nothing but a desperation move, not a move to the future. I'll be surprised if he's the Cowboys starter opening day next season.

The reason there is Romo hype is because of how hey played in the preaseason. He's been in the league 4 seasons already.

I think a lot of Cowboy fans hate Bledsoe. He's a freakin statue out there. Seriously, it would suck watching your QB every week who cannot move around at all. Romo hype is due to Bledsoe sucking balls.

[Taco John]

I would love it if Jake went out and had a complete game (ie. 2TDs, 0 INTs). This is getting old. Our team shouldn't be frustrated sitting on a 5-1 record. They shouldn't be saying things like "we're really not having any fun." They should be having a ball. Our defensive line shouldn't be closing their mouths in the media so they don't get caught saying the wrong thing about the team's leader. They should be enjoying the spotlight.

It would be nice if Jake could give the rest of the team a break from this constant distraction by putting together a game that people could brag about.

[Northman]

I would love it if Jake went out and had a complete game (ie. 2TDs, 0 INTs). This is getting old. Our team shouldn't be frustrated sitting on a 5-1 record. They shouldn't be saying things like "we're really not having any fun." They should be having a ball. Our defensive line shouldn't be closing their mouths in the media so they don't get caught saying the wrong thing about the team's leader. They should be enjoying the spotlight.

It would be nice if Jake could give the rest of the team a break from this constant distraction by putting together a game that people could brag about.



Do you think they are trying not to say anything about the offense or are they trying to keep themselves humble so that they dont collapse defensively?

[fontaine]

It's the "we're 5-1, why knock the train off the rails" crowd vs. the "risk knocking the train off the rails" crowd.

I don't see how a few instances of poor QB play "raises questions among even the most senior and most patient players in the locker room." They've seen plenty of bad QB play before, and Jake isn't that horrible despite what we see here on this board.

Wow, a Kordell Stewart fan!

:spit:

[fontaine]

Now that was pretty good. Except it isn't ludicrous to say Jake gives the team the best chance to win. It's playing the odds.


Yeah it's playing the odds allright.

It's playing the odds until this team gets the sh*t kicked out of it in the playoffs thanks in part to Jake while on the way everyone on the team has to play dominant football to make up for Jake's mistakes.

If you want to play those odds, fine, go ahead, stick with guys like Kordell Stewart, Bledsoe, etc etc.

I'd rather take the risk and find a real QB.

[Garcia Bronco]

I didn't read that the d line was keeping quiet because of not wanting to bad mouth the O. Was that actually published.....I mean did they say that?

[Rohirrim]

Jake is the #32 rated QB in the NFL right now according to this AMs Post. Folks, that equals the bottom of the heap. So, the argument is that the Broncos front office moved up to draft at #11 a QB who can't even do better than the bottom of the NFL? What a lousy draft choice, eh?

[Mile High Shack]

Jake is the #32 rated QB in the NFL right now according to this AMs Post. Folks, that equals the bottom of the heap. So, the argument is that the Broncos front office moved up to draft at #11 a QB who can't even do better than the bottom of the NFL? What a lousy draft choice, eh?

exactly it

everyone knows I was a big Plummer backer, thought the guy took too much crap

BUT c'mon

no one can convice me that Cutler could possibly do worse than the #32 ranked qb in the NFL

[Dedhed]

I am one calling uncle. I have always been a middle of the roader with Jake -done some good things does some stupid things.

If you step back from it, it seems insane to be calling to make the change - Plummer took us to the AFC Championship and we are 5-1. And we knocked off 2 undefeated teams and have had a pretty tough schedule. it's just hard to look at that info and not think we are crazy.

But this game - he had time, he had open rcvrs, he threw to browns. He is not the same QB as last year, and we are 6 games in and I do not see improvement. I don't see us winning the SB with Jake at this point, and nothing else really matters. Will Jay take us? Probably not. But at this point, I think our chances our better with Jay 'cause I think are chances are almost nil with Jake.
Great post. I was behind Plummer completely when the season started, and each game his performance has left me with less confidence. His performance against the Raiders was the final straw for me, and this week was confirmation that Jake isn't going to lead us anywhere but down a dead end street.

I was prepared for Jake to start the whole season, but his performance has been consistantly worse than I could have imagined. It is insane that a 5-1 team coming off a trip to the AFC Championship should even be thinking about making the switch from a veteran QB to a rookie, but it has to be the truth.

I can see this being Jake's last game if we get behind and the offense still looks impotent under his control. I think Jake has given Shanahan and the world enough evidence to merit the move even though the Broncos are 5-1 and leading the division.

[Sassy]

The 1st pick was tipped....4th quarter he sucked. On a side note...Lynch and wilson were all class when Baxter got hurt going up for the ball that was thrown to Javon...they walked over to the cart when he was carried off to see hhow he was....two injured patella sp...ouch!! ALL CLASS!

[Meck77]

We play Indy, SD, KC, and SEA, next. Trust me, Jake is a mere open sore right now. He's going to turn into a gash, and the blood is going to flow like a river. It's going to be hard to stop the bleeding.

He just crapped his pants against the Browns. Randy Moss couldn't even make him look good. I literally cannot believe he is an NFL QB.

The blood is going to flow like a river. Yeah ok dude.

I expect the Broncos to have an ugly win vs the Colts at home. Hey some people look at a glass half empty and some look at it as half full.

With every Ugly Denver Broncos TEAM WIN it just makes me pull for this team that much more!

My biggest concern right now is losing Lepsis not a Rookie QB that already understood from the beginning of the season that this was Jake's season to lead us to the promise land or pack his bags. It was a tall order but that is what happens when you lead a team to the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME last season.

Anyhow that is my one and only post for the day until I see another "Sky is falling" post that catches my eye.
:peace:

[shakenbake]

Ludo, that's a pretty lame conclusion. There are maybe three quarterbacks in the league who could have possibly come back from that deficit and none of them would have been able to do so in their first career start. Remember he took reps with the second team in practice and that was his first game..."We're down by multiple scores! Go dig us out of the hole Bledsoe put us in. You didn't save us!? You suck! Clearly Jake Plummer is better"

Nope, that logic doesn't work.

they were down 12-7 at the half when they made the move to Romo. His first pass for the INT is what lead to the huge deficit that only 3 qb's in the league could come back from. How do you know he only took reps with the second team in practice. I thought Beeel has maintained that they were "preparing him to play" all season long. Romo is no savior and for the record has no relevence as to whether or not Jay will be a good qb in Denver and thats what makes his assestment lame.

[BigPlayShay]

Our defensive line shouldn't be closing their mouths in the media so they don't get caught saying the wrong thing about the team's leader. They should be enjoying the spotlight.


It was my understanding that the D-Line was not talking to the media after the game, because they didn't want to talk to the Ohio media. It was becuase of an article that appeared in the Ohio papers on Sunday (maybe this one: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17361687&BRD=1698&PAG=461&dept_id=21848&rfi=6). This is what was said on the "Denver Huddle" on channel 9 here in Denver. The D-Line would be speaking to the media when they got back to Denver.

Where did you get this that they didn't speak to the media because of Jake's performance. It would really suck if you were just making something like this up.

[kamakazi_kal]

Jake is the #32 rated QB in the NFL right now according to this AMs Post. Folks, that equals the bottom of the heap. So, the argument is that the Broncos front office moved up to draft at #11 a QB who can't even do better than the bottom of the NFL? What a lousy draft choice, eh?

you nailed it #32 people........... that means andrew walter, drew "da statue" bledsoe, jon kitna, bruce gradokowski (rookie), lineart (rookie), damon huard, charlie fry, joey harrington, j.p. freaking loseman all have better qb ratings and overall numbers then jake............. even warner and culpepper had better numbers and they lost their freaking job.

if jake loses this game with another "toss the ball up for grabs" game i will be very, very mad.............. last years jake better show up or he has got to go ...... right?

j.p. loseman.............seriously does it get worse?

[shakenbake]

I enjoy winning and I think the assesment of waiting to see how Jake does against the top teams in the conference is a logical one. This team has already beat two divisional leading teams, they beat Indy this week and as a team with Jake at the helm they will have beaten all the divisional leaders in each AFC division. I can live with that.

[ScottXray]

Unless Jake REALLY blows this week, he is going to start and finish the Colts game! The game plan is going to have to be opened up this week, despite the defenses play.
Even if Jake is throwing multiple picks and the crowd is booing, Jake will finish the game.

1. Shanny won't let the crowd dictate his choice of QB.
2. Putting Cutler in with the Broncos down over 14 is almost a hopeless task. ( And will only bolster the Jake boosters if he plays badly. ) The backup needs to have reps with the first string to get timing etc down.
3. The backup comes in for injury only. I don't think I have EVER seen Shanahan pull his starting QB, in any game, for anything less than injury.
4. Shanny will let Jake bury himself with the team, fans , everyone, or let Jake get out of his own hole.

The only way I see Cutler playing against Indy is if the TEAM players ask Shanny to put him in (barring injury), say at Half time.

IF we lose, and it is because Jake continues his bad play then I think Popps is right (glad to see you come around Popps and realise that Plummer is on his last bottle of Oxygen, despite any other problems) and Cutler will start , on the road at Pittsburgh. Shanahan may not ANNOUNCE it publically early ( he uses whatever advantage he can get) but Cutler will get the practice reps early, and will start. Reasons:

1. Although it would be his first start, we will not be favored, on the road, and a loss won't be "unacceptable".
2. In a way, playing away will perhaps put less pressure on him, since the boo birds will be back in Denver,,yelling at the tv sets. No doubt he will make some mistakes.

Playing against Pitt and then Oakland will test Cutlers mettle. Two good defenses on the road. If he can win either , we HAVE a QB! If not..we probably won't be worse off, since Jake isn't getting it done anyway.

If we win, but Plummer is still bad, then look for Cutler to start getting reps...but Jake to start at Pittsburgh. Shanny will start actively criticising Jakes Play before the Pitt game, and Cutler will replace Jake if he is bad in Pitt.

Its your Last Chance Jake....PLEASE get it together! Let Cutler have his year on the bench, and play like everyone knows you can!:yayaya:

[rbackfactory80]

The funny thing is everyone acts like Shanahan sees something different out there then we see, he doesn't He sees a QB that can make some great things happen but he also knows it isn't working. If Jake can't have a great game against the Browns then the chances are he probably wont have one against the Steelers. However the real question is how Legit the Defense is. If this defense is a good as some believe around here they will be able to carry us and the " Indy test" will show that. Then he will know what he wants to do at Qb, not until we know how good our defense really is will he make the decision.

[Dedhed]

Unless Jake REALLY blows this week, he is going to start and finish the Colts game! The game plan is going to have to be opened up this week, despite the defenses play.
Even if Jake is throwing multiple picks and the crowd is booing, Jake will finish the game.



I don't think that's true at all. If we're down 14-3 at the half and Jake is 7-15and the offense hasn't dramatically improved from last week, I don't think that Shanahan would have any issue giving the ball to Jay. Jake has done nothing to make anyone think he could lead the Broncos from 14 point hole, or a 2 point hole, and I think the great majority would rather watch a rookie struggle to the worst rating in the league (not that he would) than a 10 year veteran who ought to show better.

At least it would feel like we're working towards something.

[Dedhed]

The funny thing is everyone acts like Shanahan sees something different out there then we see, he doesn't He sees a QB that can make some great things happen but he also knows it isn't working. If Jake can't have a great game against the Browns then the chances are he probably wont have one against the Steelers. However the real question is how Legit the Defense is. If this defense is a good as some believe around here they will be able to carry us and the " Indy test" will show that. Then he will know what he wants to do at Qb, not until we know how good our defense really is will he make the decision.You make some good points, but I don't think the real question is whether this defense is legit. Holding an elite offense like the Colts to 17 points is a very solid effort.

The real question is whether Plummer can lead this offense to points when the conservative approach won't get it done?

We haven't scored 20 points one time this year. It's unrealistic to ask the defense to support such pitiful efforts against the league's best offenses.

[Meck77]

J Either way, I still think we're in good shape.

Best comment I've ready on this board since week 1. We are 5-1 under Jake. If Jake drops a couple games we're still in the race for the division title. If Jay gets thrown into the mix and he is what we all hope he is we are still in good shape....as long as the injuries don't pile up which I think is a bigger threat to our season's success. We're riding the Defense and running game for those that haven't been watching the Broncos games. Ha! Shanny is very content winning ugly at this point even though it is tangling up some people's panties in here.

Go Broncos!

and these are the days of the Orangemane.........

[Alkazar]

I've kept my mouth shut until now. Bench him. Bench him now. We can get this sort of production from a rookie - including the picks. Can't believe i'm calling for his head right before the Indy game but I see no reason to keep him as our starter any more. Clearly, the coaches have lost confidence in him. Sooner or later our defense won't be able to pull off the impossible every_single_quarter. That day comes next week.

Bench him now.

/knee jerk

Based on your avatar, I'm going to take your advice with a grain of salt about the size of Texas ;)

[Alkazar]

I'm not certain either, but I would bet that the lack of a productive TE has a LOT to do with it.


I hate to differ with ya on this Wabbit but the reason the TEs have been under-productive is because Plummer hasn't been throwing to them. The few time I've seen him make catchable passes to the TEs, they've caught them and helped keep drives going. Otherwise he seems to be ignoring them.

[F**kOakland]

build a bridge and get over it!!

I cringe at every interception just like you but I can remember a time when it was the defense that was bringing us down. Jake is a gamer and a leader, Cutler is not Jesus OR Elway and dumping Plummer would throw the locker room on it's ear..

Plummer whether you like him or not is here to stay... at least for this season. How much do we need to hear of this "sky is falling BullS**t. To read these posts you think this was a Raiders page by Raider fans. Mortensen is playing you like a cheap tourist ukalele. Let's hear it for the D and pray that the O catches up. After 6 games with a winning record some of you want to change the whole chemistry of the team. WAA waa....Baitches

Your not fans, your spoiled mama's boys who are afraid to ride out the storm and see what happens. The Broncos could start YOU and still win games.


5-1 need I say more

[Taco John]

To read these posts you think this was a Raiders page by Raider fans.



We are ranked dead last in touchdowns scored in the NFL, tied with Oakland.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-SCORING/2006/regular?sort_col_1=3&_3:col_1=4


I don't care if you think it's whining or not. I'm not going to sit by and be happy that our quarterback is playing loser football, while our defense is playing championship ball. I'm not interested in seeing the Broncos MAKE the playoffs, I'm interested in seeing them WIN once they're there.

Jake is crapping the bed, and it won't be long until he's canned unless he starts making improvements. The time is now or never for him.

You can be happy with a quarterback who's playing Oakland football. I'm not going to be, and there's nothing you can do to force it on me.

[elsid13]

We been through this before, but the fans have a right to expect the team leader to play at a certain level. Right now, Plummer is not performing to that level; that we all know that his capable of and is required for this team to go to SB.

[crazyhorse]

GREAT WIN! It's awesome to be in first place in the AFC West.

When are we going to bench Plummer?

Obviously you dont understand the "nuances" of the Broncos organization. I would explain it to you but.....you know.Hilarious!

Perhaps you should ask bob his opinion on it.


Donko fans....I love you retards.

[DarkHorse30]

The bottom line AGAINST Cutler starting seems to be "rookie QBs always struggle".

So....when is a good time to start him? When your starting QB seems to be playing for the other team? Ka-ching, we're there. The arguement that "rookie QBs will struggle" will ALWAYS be present, UNTIL the rookie starts.....starting.

I used to think that it would take Jake at least 3 years to learn the system. Then he'd be a weapon. Until then, he'd be good enough to win, but not good enough to be a Pro-bowl-type QB.

Well, Jake is in his fourth year and it looks worse than his first. I don't think he has the ability to win games without a great defense stopping the other team from scoring. So, he's starting because he is a vet.....and Cutler is not. Brilliant. Is it too late to sign Dilfer?

[errand]

You're a blatant racist and an overall idiot.



In your case, I think you believe it makes you look like some kind of hardass. I guess that's why you never have anything good to say about Taco John, either.

My favorite post of yours was when you said six year olds shouldn't get participation trophies in little league because it would make them grow up queer or something. You are grotesquely stupid, Errand. Make no mistake about that.

amazing...

Criticize Jake...you're just being objective about the Broncos QB position. Criticize Elway, is blasphemy.

Criticize a white person, you're spot on.
Criticize a black person, you're a racist.

Welcome to Slaps bizzarro world my fellow Bronco fans...

BTW, I never said that giving 6 year olds particpation trophies would make them "queer or something".... I said that the t-shirt and cap proves he participated in the league...the trophy means he achieved. But then again you are all about equal outcome...not equal opportunity.

BTW, man crushes on old retired QB's is what would make someone queer.

[errand]

Turns them into queers eh Garcia?

No it gives them a false sense of accomplishment. Imagine if the Colts got a Lombardi after the '97 season as well.......

[Spider]

The funny thing is everyone acts like Shanahan sees something different out there then we see, he doesn't He sees a QB that can make some great things happen but he also knows it isn't working. If Jake can't have a great game against the Browns then the chances are he probably wont have one against the Steelers. However the real question is how Legit the Defense is. If this defense is a good as some believe around here they will be able to carry us and the " Indy test" will show that. Then he will know what he wants to do at Qb, not until we know how good our defense really is will he make the decision.
pfffffft as if Shanny is as smart as us ........... :giggle:

[errand]

What's wrong with commending a kid for trying? Not all sports leagues (especially children's leagues) are competitive. Most exist to get kids exercising, playing fun games they can relate to professional sports and thus role models, and teach life skills such as teamwork, fairness, and sportsmanship.

These qualities are epitomized in participation trophies. A little token saying good job for coming out to play, please come back again and learn to love the game. Giving trophies to only star athletes only creates inferiority complexes in children - far more damaging to their psyches than anything. Nobody's saying put these kids in fantasy land, but sports should be for everyone, not just the Jack Elways of the world.


How about this....next time your kid brings home an F on his report card, reward him the same as you did his sibling who brought home an A...

What happens then is that kid #2 then figures what the heck...dad/mom gave kid #1 a reward for being stupid, so why should I strive to get good grades...if the reward is the same regardless of the level of achievement, you kill the the motivation to become the best they can be.

[-Slap-]

amazing...

Criticize Jake...you're just being objective about the Broncos QB position. Criticize Elway, is blasphemy.

Let's make this simple for you, stupid. Elway carried the franchise for the first third of his career, hung in there during the middle third while that ****head Reeves tried to ruin him, and brought home two world titles on his way out the door.

Jake Plummer has shown zero ability to perform in pressure situations and his play this season has been well below average to terrible in five of six games. Only a fool wouldn't be critical of that performance.

Criticize a white person, you're spot on.
Criticize a black person, you're a racist.

I hope you get raped by black folks with the clap.

Welcome to Slaps bizzarro world my fellow Bronco fans...

:wave:

BTW, I never said that giving 6 year olds particpation trophies would make them "queer or something".... I said that the t-shirt and cap proves he participated in the league...the trophy means he achieved. But then again you are all about equal outcome...not equal opportunity.

You view yourself as some kind of macho man badass who knows what's right for everybody.

BTW, man crushes on old retired QB's is what would make someone queer.

I guess I should defer to your vast experience in what makes people queer, seeing as how you can spot 'em as young as six years old.

[-Slap-]

How about this....next time your kid brings home an F on his report card, reward him the same as you did his sibling who brought home an A...

What happens then is that kid #2 then figures what the heck...dad/mom gave kid #1 a reward for being stupid, so why should I strive to get good grades...if the reward is the same regardless of the level of achievement, you kill the the motivation to become the best they can be.

God, you're stupid.

[Northman]

Let's make this simple for you, stupid. Elway carried the franchise for the first third of his career, hung in there during the middle third while that ****head Reeves tried to ruin him, and brought home two world titles on his way out the door.

Jake Plummer has shown zero ability to perform in pressure situations and his play this season has been well below average to terrible in five of six games. Only a fool wouldn't be critical of that performance.



I hope you get raped by black folks with the clap.



:wave:



You view yourself as some kind of macho man badass who knows what's right for everybody.



I guess I should defer to your vast experience in what makes people queer, seeing as how you can spot 'em as young as six years old.



REP

[errand]

What you're advocating for is the alienation of less athletically talented children from organized sports, which I believe is utterly ludicrous.

Not all who win are athletically more gifted than those they defeat. My daughter for example is not the biggest or strongest kid on her fastpitch softball team. She definitely doesn't have the pedigree as some of the other girls have either. But, she's got a better work ethic than the other girls do...she practices harder than they do too.

She's a star pitcher who at 13 is bringing the heat @ 55 mph (from 40 feet), and has hit two tape measure shot HR's (approx 230ft) to dead center to help her team win the last two tournaments they have played in their age group...... not because of her genes but because she works at it harder, longer and is more dedicated to her goal of playing for UT one day.

BTW she'll tell you that she's much more proud of her first place trophies than any of the participation trophies she had recieved when she was younger.

[errand]

so according to Slap...

If he's the best employee at his job, the worst employee should be paid equally as well for not being as good. And if that were to happen, his productivity wouldn't decrease at all, he would still strive to be the best employee despite the fact he'll never be compensated more for his hard work....OK gotcha.

[Circle Orange]

pfffffft as if Shanny is as smart as us ........... :giggle:

Shanahan is a rank amateur out of ideas...he should consult with us!:rofl:

But I have a solution. Bring back Mr. Van Pelt, make him the starter. Bench Cutler. Make Jake the backup.

There! Problem solved. :thanku:

And just think: we can get another 1,000,000,000,000,005,222 threads out of the new bermuda triangle! ;D

[Cito Pelon]

build a bridge and get over it!!

I cringe at every interception just like you but I can remember a time when it was the defense that was bringing us down. Jake is a gamer and a leader, Cutler is not Jesus OR Elway and dumping Plummer would throw the locker room on it's ear..

Plummer whether you like him or not is here to stay... at least for this season. How much do we need to hear of this "sky is falling BullS**t. To read these posts you think this was a Raiders page by Raider fans. Mortensen is playing you like a cheap tourist ukalele. Let's hear it for the D and pray that the O catches up. After 6 games with a winning record some of you want to change the whole chemistry of the team. WAA waa....Baitches

Your not fans, your spoiled mama's boys who are afraid to ride out the storm and see what happens. The Broncos could start YOU and still win games.


5-1 need I say more

I have to agree. Some people think it's a guarantee Cutler can just step in and he'll have such an aura of invicibility about him opposing D's will go into convulsions or fetal positions. That's just goofy. Opposing D's will be licking their chops, and I'm of the opinion that if Jake gets pulled it will look more like last night's Parcell's giveaway of the game. I'm sorry, the kid's good, but it's just goofy to even think he'll be making every throw Jake has, and then some.

Some people think the D is pissed off the O isn't kicking ass. I think that's garbage. The D appears to me to be ecstatic about their dominant role. Some people think their's a lot of locker room turmoil because Jake isn't all-world. I think that's baloney. I think this is overall a very confident team that realizes if they keep doing well all that they've done well so far, they're gonna go a long way. I've been on some teams that were rolling like the Broncos have been rolling - five straight - and the object was to keep doing the same things right, but eliminate the wrong things. I think that's all this team is thinking about right now.

[Cito Pelon]

The bottom line AGAINST Cutler starting seems to be "rookie QBs always struggle".

So....when is a good time to start him? When your starting QB seems to be playing for the other team? Ka-ching, we're there. The arguement that "rookie QBs will struggle" will ALWAYS be present, UNTIL the rookie starts.....starting.

I used to think that it would take Jake at least 3 years to learn the system. Then he'd be a weapon. Until then, he'd be good enough to win, but not good enough to be a Pro-bowl-type QB.

Well, Jake is in his fourth year and it looks worse than his first. I don't think he has the ability to win games without a great defense stopping the other team from scoring. So, he's starting because he is a vet.....and Cutler is not. Brilliant. Is it too late to sign Dilfer?

Stick with the vet. The team is 5-1, looks confident. There is no reason at all to try to get cute.

[Taco John]

so according to Slap...

If he's the best employee at his job, the worst employee should be paid equally as well for not being as good.



I can't fathom how you came to that conclusion.

[Taco John]

Stick with the vet. The team is 5-1, looks confident. There is no reason at all to try to get cute.



"We're not really having any fun out there..." -Rod Smith


Sounds like they're just bursting with confidence.

[gadlaw]

build a bridge and get over it!!

I cringe at every interception just like you but I can remember a time when it was the defense that was bringing us down. Jake is a gamer and a leader, Cutler is not Jesus OR Elway and dumping Plummer would throw the locker room on it's ear..

Plummer whether you like him or not is here to stay... at least for this season. How much do we need to hear of this "sky is falling BullS**t. To read these posts you think this was a Raiders page by Raider fans. Mortensen is playing you like a cheap tourist ukalele. Let's hear it for the D and pray that the O catches up. After 6 games with a winning record some of you want to change the whole chemistry of the team. WAA waa....Baitches

Your not fans, your spoiled mama's boys who are afraid to ride out the storm and see what happens. The Broncos could start YOU and still win games.


5-1 need I say more

I'm good with everything except the starting me and winning games. Definitely would be a bad idea. Personally I'm okay with everyone getting worked up and having an opinion about the offense and about Jake Plummer and Jay Cutler. Elections, wars, terrorism - all that serious stuff is out there - I'd rather come in here and argue about quarterbacks and the next game. And I don't know about starting that Jesus guy. I'm pretty sure he only plays baseball.

[fido]

Is shanny going to pull a parcells and bench jakers in the middle of the game?ala bledso/romo?

[Tredici]

[QUOTE=errand;1327214]
She's a star pitcher who at 13 is bringing the heat @ 55 mph (from 40 feet), and has hit two tape measure shot HR's (approx 230ft) to dead center to help her team win the last two tournaments they have played in their age group...... not because of her genes but because she works at it harder, longer and is more dedicated to her goal of playing for UT one day.

QUOTE]

I know this is something that for some reason is important for you to believe. But I simply don't think you can be something you have no appitude or ability for.

Your daughter does have athletic ability. Obviously she has decent eye-hand coordination.

In my opinion, it is people with ability and subsequent interest who go on to having the dedication it takes to make their skills top notch.

There are people with tremendous gifts who are lazy and get by. And there are people with enough skill they can develop into being special.

If you want to believe a child with no appreciable athletic abilities can just transform themselves into top competitors, that's okay. It's just not realistic as far as my experiences in working with kids have proven out.

[BroncoFanDoug]

Your not fans, your spoiled mama's boys who are afraid to ride out the storm and see what happens. The Broncos could start YOU and still win games.


5-1 need I say more

Perhaps the Broncos could start me and win games. It doesn't mean they shouldn't replace me with someone better.

Although not a mama's boy, I am spoiled. I want to win another SB, not just make the playoffs. Right now I don't see Jake winning the SB for us. I also think it very unlikely that Jay can as a rookie, but it could turn out he is as fantastic as we all hope, and that we could.

[scfan]

so according to Slap...

If he's the best employee at his job, the worst employee should be paid equally as well for not being as good. And if that were to happen, his productivity wouldn't decrease at all, he would still strive to be the best employee despite the fact he'll never be compensated more for his hard work....OK gotcha.

Errand, a good employee usually doesn't care a whole hill of beans about being compensated. and further he/she cares very little about what other employees( good or bad) are being compensated. The good employee strives to be the best at what he/she does. I give as a prime example " The United States Military". an E-5 makes the same amount of money as the next E-5. and not all E-5's are equal in the context of good Sgt or Bad Sgt.There are both types in all ranks.However, the Good employee continues to do thier job to the best of thier ability.

[BigPlayShay]

I would love it if Jake went out and had a complete game (ie. 2TDs, 0 INTs). This is getting old. Our team shouldn't be frustrated sitting on a 5-1 record. They shouldn't be saying things like "we're really not having any fun." They should be having a ball. Our defensive line shouldn't be closing their mouths in the media so they don't get caught saying the wrong thing about the team's leader. They should be enjoying the spotlight.

It would be nice if Jake could give the rest of the team a break from this constant distraction by putting together a game that people could brag about.

It was my understanding that the D-Line was not talking to the media after the game, because they didn't want to talk to the Ohio media. It was becuase of an article that appeared in the Ohio papers on Sunday (maybe this one: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...d=21848&rfi=6). This is what was said on the "Denver Huddle" on channel 9 here in Denver. The D-Line would be speaking to the media when they got back to Denver.

Where did you get this that they didn't speak to the media because of Jake's performance. It would really suck if you were just making something like this up.

Hey TJ,

Just wondering if you can address this. Where did you hear that the D-Line quit talking to the media because of Jake?

[Rascal]

Owned.

[dnvrbrncos]

Errand, a good employee usually doesn't care a whole hill of beans about being compensated. and further he/she cares very little about what other employees( good or bad) are being compensated. The good employee strives to be the best at what he/she does. I give as a prime example " The United States Military". an E-5 makes the same amount of money as the next E-5. and not all E-5's are equal in the context of good Sgt or Bad Sgt.There are both types in all ranks.However, the Good employee continues to do thier job to the best of thier ability.

And how, pray tell, did they get to be E-5? Are you saying that everyone gets to be an E-5 as long as they have a heartbeat and stick around long enough?

As for your first comment...that's just lame. If what you say was true our capitalist system never would have become the raging success it is.

[watermock]

I have to agree. Some people think it's a guarantee Cutler can just step in and he'll have such an aura of invicibility about him opposing D's will go into convulsions or fetal positions. That's just goofy. Opposing D's will be licking their chops, and I'm of the opinion that if Jake gets pulled it will look more like last night's Parcell's giveaway of the game. I'm sorry, the kid's good, but it's just goofy to even think he'll be making every throw Jake has, and then some.

Some people think the D is pissed off the O isn't kicking ass. I think that's garbage. The D appears to me to be ecstatic about their dominant role. Some people think their's a lot of locker room turmoil because Jake isn't all-world. I think that's baloney. I think this is overall a very confident team that realizes if they keep doing well all that they've done well so far, they're gonna go a long way. I've been on some teams that were rolling like the Broncos have been rolling - five straight - and the object was to keep doing the same things right, but eliminate the wrong things. I think that's all this team is thinking about right now.

WRONG...the Defense was visibly upset When Jake laid a second turd and took the shutout away from the Defense. True, there was a busted coverage on the TD, but they shouldn't of been in that situation. Why we threw 41 times is also a mystery. Jake was so bad that he easily could of tossed 4 or 5 picks literally handed to them. It wasn't defenders making great plays. Jake was just lofting soft, slow and inaccurate ducks.

[Florida_Bronco]

I'd like to know why there are no threads calling for the heads of our TEs who have 7 catches between them? Everyone here knows what the TE means to this offense and right now they are doing nothing.

Jakes problems have been compounded by the lack of production from his receivers. Last year Rod was his only reliable target except for Lelie on the deep passes, now Rod has been in a slump and he has Javon Walker and no one else really.

I don't want to make excuses for Jake, because he's made his fair share of bonehead moves, but he's not getting much help from the rest of the offense.

[elsid13]

I'd like to know why there are no threads calling for the heads of our TEs who have 7 catches between them? Everyone here knows what the TE means to this offense and right now they are doing nothing.

Jakes problems have been compounded by the lack of production from his receivers. Last year Rod was his only reliable target except for Lelie on the deep passes, now Rod has been in a slump and he has Javon Walker and no one else really.

I don't want to make excuses for Jake, because he's made his fair share of bonehead moves, but he's not getting much help from the rest of the offense.


It hard to tell if the TEs aren't getting open/in slump or if the QB isn't getting them the ball. Since the QB is the key to any offense it hard to blame the receiver for not be be productive, unless you continue to see the ball bounce off the receiver's hands, etc. At this point only the coaches know where the problems is. The key to this offense is getting the TE controlling the middle of the field.

[Cito Pelon]

WRONG...the Defense was visibly upset When Jake laid a second turd and took the shutout away from the Defense. True, there was a busted coverage on the TD, but they shouldn't of been in that situation. Why we threw 41 times is also a mystery. Jake was so bad that he easily could of tossed 4 or 5 picks literally handed to them. It wasn't defenders making great plays. Jake was just lofting soft, slow and inaccurate ducks.

They were mad at Jake, or just mad in general? I don't think they were mad at Jake. I don't see this idea that the team is in turmoil because Jake is inconsistent. 41 passes was a surprise. I guess they wanted to work on the passing game, find out a few things, put up or shut up, have plenty of film to review. We'll see how it turns out, but I'm of the opinion that the team should stick with the vet, give Jake the chance to make his case. It would be a fine line if the team were 2-4 or 3-3, but I'm unequivocally on the side of the vet right now. I think it's goofy to try to get cute when the team is at 5-1 all alone in the Div lead. You work, and work, and work with the vet. You babysit him, ride him, whatever it takes to keep the 5 game winning streak going. You don't start giving reps to the rookie during the week, you don't even insinuate the rook might get some reps. You prop that vet up and hope the roll keeps rolling.

[freak6]

And how, pray tell, did they get to be E-5? Are you saying that everyone gets to be an E-5 as long as they have a heartbeat and stick around long enough?


Yes. They do. They just promoted every retard with a 1550 cutting score to Sgt, in my MOS, I had to have a 1731 to get it.

[Lev Vyvanse]

Hey TJ,

Just wondering if you can address this. Where did you hear that the D-Line quit talking to the media because of Jake?

Interesting. You would think the Cutler crowd would have more then enough ammo, they shouldn’t need to fabricate stories to back their position.

[Dedhed]

Interesting. You would think the Cutler crowd would have more then enough ammo, they shouldn’t need to fabricate stories to back their position.There was an article saying that the DLine had stopped talking b/c the media had taken their statements out of context and made it sound as though they were criticizing Plummer.

[Lev Vyvanse]

There was an article saying that the DLine had stopped talking b/c the media had taken their statements out of context and made it sound as though they were criticizing Plummer.


That makes sense, my bad.

[scfan]

And how, pray tell, did they get to be E-5? Are you saying that everyone gets to be an E-5 as long as they have a heartbeat and stick around long enough?

As for your first comment...that's just lame. If what you say was true our capitalist system never would have become the raging success it is.

Lame? what do you mean Lame? I used the Military as an example. It has nothing to do with the Capitalists system.
and I could have used any rank. i used E-5 only as a reference to a job category.

If you want to revert to a capitalist system then you can use corporate America as your model. You can piss and moan that the guy next to you is not doing a damn thing but he is getting all the recogition and poor slob you are busting your ass and not getting noticed. So that makes you a better/ good employee? Why don't you just do your job as good as you know how and let the chips lay as they may. OH no! you can't see where that will get you the " Money" and the recognition you crave. Yeah ! that makes you a good employee. because its all about you.
We were talking about good employees, not "ME" employees.

[fontaine]

I'd like to know why there are no threads calling for the heads of our TEs who have 7 catches between them? Everyone here knows what the TE means to this offense and right now they are doing nothing.

Because Scheff was already benched in favour of Nate Jackson.

[watermock]

Scheff and Cutler were lightinging it up in preseason.

[Florida_Bronco]

Scheff and Cutler were lightinging it up in preseason.

So what's Schefflers problem now?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So what's Schefflers problem now?
How many guesses do I get?

[Florida_Bronco]

How many guesses do I get?

As many as it takes I guess.

[fontaine]

So what's Schefflers problem now?

Allright Florida_Bronco, let's hear your opinion.

Scheffler can't get open and is playing poorly so far and his blocking was never his strong point to begin with.

So what do you think we should do with him? Bench him in favour of Nate Jackson or do we keep struggling with Scheffler on the field even if he is a liability on it?

[Florida_Bronco]

Allright Florida_Bronco, let's hear your opinion.

Scheffler can't get open and is playing poorly so far and his blocking was never his strong point to begin with.

So what do you think we should do with him? Bench him in favour of Nate Jackson or do we keep struggling with Scheffler on the field even if he is a liability on it?

I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head.

As far as what we should do with him? Well correct me if I'm wrong, but Alexander still the starter? Personally, the problem seems to be his ability to adjust to the speed of the NFL.

I say we get him out there and let him play and likely he'll start to develop some chemistry with Jake. If Rod continues to come out of his slump and Scheff (or anyone) at TE steps up Jake will have 3 reliable targets to throw to.

And if Jake doesn't get it going then...he won't have 1 damn excuse in my opinion.

[fontaine]

I say we get him out there and let him play and likely he'll start to develop some chemistry with Jake.

What if Scheffler continues to suck? Drops passes, fumbles the ball and whatnot. How long do you keep him in there?

[Florida_Bronco]

What if Scheffler continues to suck? Drops passes, fumbles the ball and whatnot. How long do you keep him in there?

Depends on the frequency that it happens with and so on. Ideally, he'd at least show enough improvement to warrant keeping him in there and getting him more snaps.

Hopefully, someone steps up, because the TE position is vital to our offense.

[fontaine]

Depends on the frequency that it happens with and so on. Ideally, he'd at least show enough improvement to warrant keeping him in there and getting him more snaps.

Hopefully, someone steps up, because the TE position is vital to our offense.

I didn't say anything about improvement. If he keeps sucking and hurting this offense (hypothetically) then how long do you keep him in there?

[Florida_Bronco]

I didn't say anything about improvement. If he keeps sucking and hurting this offense (hypothetically) then how long do you keep him in there?

Assuming he's not showing any improvement? Not very long.

[errand]

[QUOTE=errand;1327214]
She's a star pitcher who at 13 is bringing the heat @ 55 mph (from 40 feet), and has hit two tape measure shot HR's (approx 230ft) to dead center to help her team win the last two tournaments they have played in their age group...... not because of her genes but because she works at it harder, longer and is more dedicated to her goal of playing for UT one day.

QUOTE]

I know this is something that for some reason is important for you to believe. But I simply don't think you can be something you have no appitude or ability for.

Your daughter does have athletic ability. Obviously she has decent eye-hand coordination.

In my opinion, it is people with ability and subsequent interest who go on to having the dedication it takes to make their skills top notch.

There are people with tremendous gifts who are lazy and get by. And there are people with enough skill they can develop into being special.

If you want to believe a child with no appreciable athletic abilities can just transform themselves into top competitors, that's okay. It's just not realistic as far as my experiences in working with kids have proven out.

I never said she wasn't athletically gifted....I said she wasn't the top athlete on her team...but she outperforms superior athletes because she outworks them and out hustles them.

Sure if you lined them up and had a race she'd probably finish in the middle of the pack...but there is no finer baserunner in the state in her coach's opinion (I'm sure there really might be, but that's what he said).

There are girls who can hit the ball harder, and while they haven't done it yet...perhaps they can hit it farther....but none have hit it as far as she has to date, because when she's in the cages, she works on hitting the ball as hard and solid as she can...always trying to hit the perfect hit.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is no substitute for hard work.

[errand]

I can't fathom how you came to that conclusion.

Go back and read his posts TJ.....

He beleievs that kids who lose every game they played should get a trophy...just like the first place team. Because it would hurt their feelings if they didn't. They're freaking kids who a year from now, won't even remember what they got for their birthday, let alone who won the title when they were 5-6 years old....

That is like the worst student getting the same grade as the best student.....or the worst employee getting paid as much as the best employee.

[errand]

Errand, a good employee usually doesn't care a whole hill of beans about being compensated. and further he/she cares very little about what other employees( good or bad) are being compensated. The good employee strives to be the best at what he/she does. I give as a prime example " The United States Military". an E-5 makes the same amount of money as the next E-5. and not all E-5's are equal in the context of good Sgt or Bad Sgt.There are both types in all ranks.However, the Good employee continues to do thier job to the best of thier ability.

That's true to an extent...but then again it takes a special person to join the military.

My point is if you reward people who accomplish little or nothing the same as those who accomplish more or alot, you help neither.

Like I said try an experiment....if you have two kids, continually give the one who does poorly the same as the one who does well...see what happens to the one who did well. See if the higher standards he/she previously held start dropping

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Go back and read his posts TJ.....

He beleievs that kids who lose every game they played should get a trophy...just like the first place team. Because it would hurt their feelings if they didn't. They're freaking kids who a year from now, won't even remember what they got for their birthday, let alone who won the title when they were 5-6 years old....

That is like the worst student getting the same grade as the best student.....or the worst employee getting paid as much as the best employee.

LOL

Geeeezus!!! I guess kids in your neighborhood all suffer from Alzheimer's?

[errand]

Yes. They do. They just promoted every retard with a 1550 cutting score to Sgt, in my MOS, I had to have a 1731 to get it.

Certain MOS's require higher scores. Just as certain jobs require certain skills. Just be glad your MOS requires you to be a bit better than just some ordinary guy.

Having said that.... I agree that if you scored a 1731 and they promoted a guy who scored a 1550 instead of you in your MOS...well then that's a problem.

[errand]

Lame? what do you mean Lame? I used the Military as an example. It has nothing to do with the Capitalists system.
and I could have used any rank. i used E-5 only as a reference to a job category.

If you want to revert to a capitalist system then you can use corporate America as your model. You can piss and moan that the guy next to you is not doing a damn thing but he is getting all the recogition and poor slob you are busting your ass and not getting noticed. So that makes you a better/ good employee? Why don't you just do your job as good as you know how and let the chips lay as they may. OH no! you can't see where that will get you the " Money" and the recognition you crave. Yeah ! that makes you a good employee. because its all about you.
We were talking about good employees, not "ME" employees.


The point is if you continue to reward less productive employees more than more productive employees...you will eventually won't have any highly productive employees. Don't believe it...look at any unionized labor force.

[errand]

LOL

Geeeezus!!! I guess kids in your neighborhood all suffer from Alzheimer's?

Their not afflicted with Alzheimer's clown...their 5-6 year old kids.

[errand]

What if Scheffler continues to suck? Drops passes, fumbles the ball and whatnot.

...you mean make rookie mistakes?

[-Slap-]

Go back and read his posts TJ.....

He beleievs that kids who lose every game they played should get a trophy...just like the first place team. Because it would hurt their feelings if they didn't. They're freaking kids who a year from now, won't even remember what they got for their birthday, let alone who won the title when they were 5-6 years old....

That is like the worst student getting the same grade as the best student.....or the worst employee getting paid as much as the best employee.

Actually, this post: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1325553&postcount=271 proves you're a liar.

Go back to minimizing your daughter's talents, so you can weasel your way in for the credit of instilling this incredible work ethic in her, you ridiculous megalomaniac.

[-Slap-]

LOL

Geeeezus!!! I guess kids in your neighborhood all suffer from Alzheimer's?

The kids in his neighborhood think he's a ****ing idiot and they're right.

[Taco John]

Go back and read his posts TJ.....

He beleievs that kids who lose every game they played should get a trophy...just like the first place team.


I read his posts... Nothing in there would suggest that they should get a trophy "just like the first place team." He was, as I understood it, suggesting participation trophies. Have you seen the difference between a first place trophy and a participation trophy? Needless to say, a participation trophy is nothing like the first place team. Its a freaking door prize. A "thanks for playing." What's wrong with that?

The kids lost, and they understand that. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with giving them a parting gift for giving it an effort.


Because it would hurt their feelings if they didn't. They're freaking kids who a year from now, won't even remember what they got for their birthday, let alone who won the title when they were 5-6 years old....


Who cares if they remember it a year from now. It's about the moment, and something to put in the memory box for the future and remember going to practice, and playing some ball as a kid.


That is like the worst student getting the same grade as the best student.....or the worst employee getting paid as much as the best employee.

No it's not. I can't imagine a more myopic stance. It's nothing like that at all. You act like these participation trophies are these amazing trophies that denigrate the actual first place trophy.

Let me show you something... This is a participation trophy:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=17735&stc=1&d=1161923679

Nothing special, unless you're that little girl who just went out, tried her best and walked away with something to show for it except a hollow feeling that she isn't good enough. What happens when she gets a participation trophy? She gets positive reinforcement, and WANTS to keep at it. What's the harm in that?


THIS is a first place trophy:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=17736&stc=1&d=1161923870

Notice the difference? Notice that there's three levels to it? Notice that it looks strikingly different than a participation trophy? This is the real deal. It tells the kid, "you did it... You were the best."

The participation kids aren't getting trophies "just like the first place team." They're getting participation trophies. There's a huge difference.

[-Slap-]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=17735&stc=1&d=1161923679

The bauble in that child's hand may seem innocent, Taco, but that's what makes it so sinister.

This unsuspecting young girl is now destined to become a welfare mother.

[Taco John]

It's funny that a couple of the guys arguing against participation trophies are the same guys who hand Plummer a virtual participation trophy every week no matter how bad he does.

[Kaylore]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=17735&stc=1&d=1161923679

The bauble in that child's hand may seem innocent, Taco, but that's what makes it so sinister.

This unsuspecting young girl is now destined to become a welfare mother.

LOL I'm republican and I have nothing against participation trophies. I'm not for removing any kind of winner trophies. It's good to reward participation and effort. That doesn't mean that there isn't a winner. You can do both.

Anyway, how did this thead get so horribly hijacked? I wanted to see some discussion on Jake getting benched. :-/

[Taco John]

Anyway, how did this thead get so horribly hijacked? I wanted to see some discussion on Jake getting benched. :-/



You've come a long way Kaylore...

:~ohyah!: :thumbs:

[Popps]

Wow, people criticizing the way other people are raising their kids and comparing it to our starting QB situation.

This place never ceases.

[Kaylore]

You've come a long way Kaylore...

:~ohyah!: :thumbs:

Well so has Jake.

For perspective, here is a comparison of Jake to this point vs last year at the same point:

2005: 60% 7 td's 3 interceptions 90.8 rating

2006: 52% 4 td's 7 interceptions 60.4 rating

It's not hard to see why I supported him then and am not doing so now. This is a league where you produce or you lose your job. Every other veteran QB that has played poorly has been benched. Some don't have the luxury of an elite running game and solid defense to help make them look better. I don't want to think about what Plummer's stats would look like if we weren't running the ball so well.:flush:

[Taco John]

Wow, people criticizing the way other people are raising their kids and comparing it to our starting QB situation.

This place never ceases.


Except that neither of these happened...

[Popps]

Except that neither of these happened...

Umm... O.K...

]It's funny that a couple of the guys arguing against participation trophies are the same guys who hand Plummer a virtual participation trophy every week no matter how bad he does

First off, connecting those two things was impressive, even for the disturbingly obsessed.

Second, I thought we had rules about people's family being off-limits around here?

Third, how come we have 93 mods on this board merging every thread with the word "the"... but a QB thread gets dragged into people attacking people over parenting and it's allowed to stay on the main board?


I usually commend you on running a tight ship, but this is a little confusing.

[-Slap-]

Well so has Jake.

For perspective, here is a comparison of Jake to this point vs last year at the same point:

2005: 60% 7 td's 3 interceptions 90.8 rating

2006: 52% 4 td's 7 interceptions 60.4 rating

Kubiak leaving was like Jake's father walking out on him. I could see how that would screw someone up pretty badly.

[fido]

let me see.....
jakers might get benched
mos scores
and kids

?????

[orange 4 life]

Plummer sucks rat****.

very intelligent post. :thumbsup:

sadly, it accurately depicts the attitude of many of our wonderful fans.

[orange 4 life]

and hence why i havent been here much at all.

5-1 and a huge game on the horizon, and thats the crap that i have to sift through to find anything....even a little tidbit....that DOESNT either worship cutler or bash plummer.
nice going bronco fans!! ...some of you. :thumbsup:
back to hit and run.

[orange 4 life]

We gave up 24 points to the Packers in SB 32. That defense is the first to ever win a Super Bowl while being last in the NFL in Yards Per Carry given up.

The next years defense was awful against the pass, but top 5 vs the run.

But since you are so sure that a 10-0 wins are more encouraging that 30-20 wins, tell us what happened to the Broncos the last time they led the NFL in points given up and went to the Super Bowl?

we beat the chiefs 14-10 on the way to that superbowl. :thumbs:

[orange 4 life]

Good luck finding a Broncos board that isn't talking about benching Plummer.

That's just the reality of playing bad. When you drag your team down, people want to bench you. Thankfully, our team is good enough to absorb Plummer's poor play and manage wins out of it. For that, I'm extremely thrilled and optimistic for our long term chances. But there's no point in keeping a player who isn't performing in a starting role when we've got the future of our team ready to roll.

they all are, but not NEARLY as much or with as much hate as here.

there's also at least a little discussion about the actual football games...

....but i still think youre a great guy, and we still gave the o-mane props on altitude sports' "around the town" show that is airing this week.

someone came by the bus before last weeks game looking for the "orangemane" tailgate, and since meck was absent me and slayer (who isnt around here much) talked to 'em and said "here we are".

gave em a tour of the bus and i plugged the mane. they aired the show and while i just stayed in the background (you'd have to know me to be able to tell it was me) and let slayer give them the tour (i wasnt sure what meck would want or how it came to pass so i just plugged the mane to the producer and the gal that hosts the show), but i talked to them and they plugged the mane before showing the bus.

i love ya pal.......even if you are crazy at times. LOL

[Garcia Bronco]

we beat the chiefs 14-10 on the way to that superbowl. :thumbs:

In Arrowhead

[-Slap-]

and hence why i havent been here much at all.

5-1 and a huge game on the horizon, and thats the crap that i have to sift through to find anything....even a little tidbit....that DOESNT either worship cutler or bash plummer.
nice going bronco fans!! ...some of you. :thumbsup:
back to hit and run.

And what do you do when you're here?

You post almost exclusively on the Plummer/Cutler threads and you do nothing but insult Bronco fans who disagree with you. Generally in whining weepy tones.

I would call you a hypocrite, but I'm not sure you're bright enough to understand the concept.

[orange 4 life]

I can see O4L's point. There are no less that 5 bench Jake related threads on the front page and ironically no thread police yelling about using existing threads to post in. Jake has played poorly, not debating that. I'm not calling for the rookie, yet. You just don't change QB's on a winning team, especially with a very tough stretch coming up. Cutler may be the second coming but I would rather not have to find out now.

and thats actually all my point has been all along.

OF COURSE jake hasnt played great so far this year. EVERYONE can see that.
still, the entire offense hasnt played that great at times either. even walker, who's clearly been the MVP so far and saved jakes butt a time or two, dropped two straight passes against st louis, one of which was a TD that couldve changed the whole game.

bottom line is its not just one guy. saying that it IS one guy is just plain ridiculous, especially considering that one guys track record.

yes, plummer has had a rough start, but we're 5-1, so talking about benching him just doesnt make sense.

wow. how can anyone actually enjoy this season while reading this board?

[orange 4 life]

And what do you do when you're here?

You post almost exclusively on the Plummer/Cutler threads and you do nothing but insult Bronco fans who disagree with you. Generally in whining weepy tones.

I would call you a hypocrite, but I'm not sure you're bright enough to understand the concept.

oh fvvvkkkk you mr. holier than thou.

that said, you DO make a valid point, however the reason those are the only threads i jump on is because i have this crazy dream that maybe just one or two people will read something i type and stop STARTING these threads.

but thanks for the insult a-hole.
its what youre best at.

.....and yes, me insulting you back is hypocritical...

....but it felt good. :kiss:

[-Slap-]

oh fvvvkkkk you mr. holier than thou.

that said, you DO make a valid point, however the reason those are the only threads i jump on is because i have this crazy dream that maybe just one or two people will read something i type and stop STARTING these threads.

but thanks for the insult a-hole.
its what youre best at.

.....and yes, me insulting you back is hypocritical...

....but it felt good. :kiss:

Here's another valid point: you're a ****ing mental case.

[Taco John]

wow. how can anyone actually enjoy this season while reading this board?


It's actually pretty easy. For all our troubles with Plummer, our team is 5-1. Tells me we've got a good team, and once we get a good quarterback, we'll be nearly unbeatable.

[-Slap-]

It's actually pretty easy. For all our troubles with Plummer, our team is 5-1. Tells me we've got a good team, and once we get a good quarterback, we'll be nearly unbeatable.

Shut up, Taco. Your damned evil board is screwing up this whole season for everybody. I get all depressed after reading it.

[Kaylore]

Shut up, Taco. Your damned evil board is screwing up this whole season for everybody. I get all depressed after reading it.

Hilarious! Do you know how many people have told me this in the last week?

[Clockwork Orange]

Hilarious! Do you know how many people have told me this in the last week?

Are you serious?

[freak6]

we beat the chiefs 14-10 on the way to that superbowl. :thumbs:

Granted, but that playoff run still does nothing to help your re-statement of that washed up cliche that Defense wins championships, which you invoked in defense of Plummer.

I show that in the last 2 games of that run you are wrong, and you bring up a game we were lucky to win thanks to Marty starting an obviously rusty Grbac, and the help of 78,000 screaming mulletheads keeping Grbac from hearing the play. I still think to this day that Gannon probably would have beaten us for the 2nd time that season had he started. Thanks to Marty, we'll never know. Not that Gannon smoked us, but still.

[freak6]

The hard thing about this season is that it's like watching a depressing movie, for the 2nd time. We all know how it ends, and you want to change the script so it ends happily. Right now we are Detective Mills in Se7en, and Jake Plummer is playing Kevin Spacey's role. Our season is Mills' wife, and "her pretty little head".

[Taco John]

Are you serious?



Yeah, I've fielded the same complaints. I don't know what to tell people. We're just here to discuss Broncos football. I don't set the agenda... The Broncos do.

[Taco John]

The hard thing about this season is that it's like watching a depressing movie, for the 2nd time. We all know how it ends, and you want to change the script so it ends happily. Right now we are Detective Mills in Se7en, and Jake Plummer is playing Kevin Spacey's role. Our season is Mills' wife, and "her pretty little head".



See? That's a great take right there.

You've got some cool things to say when you're not bickering with someone like this is a political issue... :~ohyah!:

[Popps]

Are you serious?

Not me. No amount of griping on this board will ever diminish a single win... no matter who is the QB.

[Clockwork Orange]

Yeah, I've fielded the same complaints. I don't know what to tell people. We're just here to discuss Broncos football. I don't set the agenda... The Broncos do.

Wow. I mean, I'll admit that the Plummer/Cutler talk gets pretty repetitive, but it's not that hard to avoid if you really want to. It definitely shouldn't be peeing in anyone's punchbowl to the point that it ruins all enjoyment they should be getting out of the season.

[Cito Pelon]

and thats actually all my point has been all along.

OF COURSE jake hasnt played great so far this year. EVERYONE can see that.
still, the entire offense hasnt played that great at times either. even walker, who's clearly been the MVP so far and saved jakes butt a time or two, dropped two straight passes against st louis, one of which was a TD that couldve changed the whole game.

bottom line is its not just one guy. saying that it IS one guy is just plain ridiculous, especially considering that one guys track record.

yes, plummer has had a rough start, but we're 5-1, so talking about benching him just doesnt make sense.

wow. how can anyone actually enjoy this season while reading this board?

I'm enjoying this season. Some people see a struggling O. I see an O that has had consistently bad starting position. I see an O that has put together nice drives in the 4th Q, and from inside the 5. I see an O that is going through a transition, but still getting nice drives. Some people see a team in turmoil, I see a confident team trying to get that little bit better where they score 7-10 more per game by game 10 and down the stretch.

Some people see an awful passing game, I see 56 first downs by the pass, 24 by the rush. I see a KO and punt return game that has to be in the bottom five, therefore not helping out the O or the D.

I realize this isn't the '98 team, but something that makes me happy is that through all the garbage, the boos at home, the irritating O play at times, the loss of the "First-Quarter/First-Half Advantage" the team had for so long - the team is outscoring the opposition in the 4th Q when the game is on the line. That's a team.

[Popps]

I'm enjoying this season. Some people see a struggling O. I see an O that has had consistently bad starting position. I see an O that has put together nice drives in the 4th Q, and from inside the 5. I see an O that is going through a transition, but still getting nice drives. Some people see a team in turmoil, I see a confident team trying to get that little bit better where they score 7-10 more per game by game 10 and down the stretch.

Taco, can we ban this guy?

What's with this positive, glass is half-full ****?

Get that **** outta here. This team is headed for the gutter. We suck. The NFL front office is going to make us draft first, even if we finish 15-1... just out of pity.

Sure, we're 5-1... and the one potential problem spot has a blue-chip prospect in waiting. We suck.

[Cito Pelon]

It's actually pretty easy. For all our troubles with Plummer, our team is 5-1. Tells me we've got a good team, and once we get a good quarterback, we'll be nearly unbeatable.

Sometimes you're pretty much the internet equivalent of someone vomiting on the bus.

[Taco John]

Sometimes you're pretty much the internet equivalent of someone vomiting on the bus.

Sorry if my optimism despite Jake bothers you...

The funny thing is, I see Jake as the equivalent of your analogy... And you the equivalent of the guy the next seat over talking about how nobody should care because the vomiter ate the best tasting clam chowder in the whole country, so everybody should just sit back and enjoy the treat.

But that's just me... I see our offensive troubles for what they are: a unit led by the last ranked quarterback in the league.

[Cito Pelon]

Hilarious! Do you know how many people have told me this in the last week?

I'm guessing you'll continue to focus on the negative? It is irritating. A rant here and there I can see, but the constant stalking and sniper-shots at parades is really very irritating . . . . .

[Cito Pelon]

Sorry if my optimism despite Jake bothers you...

The funny thing is, I see Jake as the equivalent of your analogy... And you the equivalent of the guy the next seat over talking about how nobody should care because the vomiter ate the best tasting clam chowder in the whole country, so everybody should just sit back and enjoy the treat.

But that's just me... I see our offenseive troubles for what they are: a unit led by the last ranked quarterback in the league.

Jake's a member of a 5-1 team. Gut it out.

[-Slap-]

I'm guessing you'll continue to focus on the negative? It is irritating. A rant here and there I can see, but the constant stalking and sniper-shots at parades is really very irritating . . . . .

I think the people who interject Jake V Jay into unrelated threads should stop doing that. I've done it before and I'll make every effort not to do it in the future. I think most of us have done it to a certain extent. Here's how it often comes about, though:

Poster A: "Hey, I'm not sure about this George Foster guy."

Poster B: "He's not that bad."

Poster C: "I guess this is all Jake's fault, huh?"

-Slap-: "Jake sucks rat****."

Orange4Jake: "This board's not fun anymore. I'm going to stop posting here right after I accuse 50% of the board of being bad fans. Again."

The thing that's funny is people gripe about multiple Jake V Jay threads at the same time. Well, guess what, you can't have it both ways. People want to talk about it and if there aren't threads to do that, you'll see more comments bleeding over into other topics.

[elsid13]

I think the people who interject Jake V Jay into unrelated threads should stop doing that. I've done it before and I'll make every effort not to do it in the future. I think most of us have done it to a certain extent. Here's how it often comes about, though:

Poster A: "Hey, I'm not sure about this George Foster guy."

Poster B: "He's not that bad."

Bobo: The Croyle is the greatest QB of all time

Poster C: "I guess this is all Jake's fault, huh?"

-Slap-: "Jake sucks rat****."

Orange4Jake: "This board's not fun anymore. I'm going to stop posting here right after I accuse 50% of the board of being bad fans. Again."

Poster "M": STFU Dimwit.

Poster Z" Sleep it off ass clown.


Great take expect you forgot three inputs, and you will have thread on the mane.

[Popps]

Sometimes you're pretty much the internet equivalent of someone vomiting on the bus.

Hilarious!

[BroncoSoja]

Shut up, Taco. Your damned evil board is screwing up this whole season for everybody. I get all depressed after reading it.

And yet this board is tame in regardess to say 'BroncoMania'.. We are at all out war over there :P

[errand]

It's funny that a couple of the guys arguing against participation trophies are the same guys who hand Plummer a virtual participation trophy every week no matter how bad he does.

...it worked for you for four freaking years.

[errand]

Gee TJ...I didn't realize that guy and little girl were competing in the same contest. And you're right, there is a different in trophies...one that says Champion...and the other that says Participant. Now which one do you hope the Broncos win this year?

[BroncoFanCam]

And yet this board is tame in regardess to say 'BroncoMania'.. We are at all out war over there :PDon't worry, soon the shiny-happy people will be doing just fine over there, what with their mass-bannings that are taking place, I counted about 10 yesterday (including myself).

If only I hadn't called Darrent Willimas a naughty name (that appeared as ****) when he got burnt for the umpteenth time... :wave:

[Blueflame]

Gee TJ...I didn't realize that guy and little girl were competing in the same contest. And you're right, there is a different in trophies...one that says Champion...and the other that says Participant. Now which one do you hope the Broncos win this year?

Neither.... much preferable would be the big silver one with Vince Lombardi's name on it to match the two already in the trophy case.