The Truth About George Foster

[Cosmo]

To Whom it May Concern or if your name i Taco,

I decided to invest in some game film time. I have every game this season recorded. I decided to go back and study film on George Foster....and Matt Lepsis, hell, pretty much the whole offense line.

I watched what he does pass plays and on run plays. Unless you've actually done what I have, you have no room to argue otherwise.

a) Foster has the worst balance I've ever seen from an offensive lineman. It doesn't matter if its a speed rusher or a bull rusher, he gets bumped and pushed around like no other.

b) 75% of the time he just tries to club the rusher, he rarely engages them as every other lineman of ours does.

c) It almost seems that he clubs because he's aware of problem a), because the times he does engage, he gets pushed all over the place. He alone causes more runs for loss and forced throws. I'd say about 50% of all rushed passes have come as a result of he's poor excuse for blocking.
Another 25% of rushes for loss or no gain come because he looks like hes not trying.

d) I just dont see the mean streak in him that dominant offensive lineman are supposed to have, in fact many times if you watch him after the play he's shaking his head or talking about I dont know what. Its just very obvious watching him play after play after play, that he's just Soft.

In conclusion, I must say that I wanted to watch the film to defend him. I thought he wasn't as bad as some argued. Now having studied him, I have to say he is the weakest link on offense, hands down. I would like all those that still wish to challenge this to review some film. You will end up having to do as I, and change your mind about him. He is just plain bad. We all want Cutler to play, at this point I want Foster to stop, replace him with anyone, it wont matter, he's just terrible.

[Northman]

To Whom it May Concern or if your name i Taco,

I decided to invest in some game film time. I have every game this season recorded. I decided to go back and study film on George Foster....and Matt Lepsis, hell, pretty much the whole offense line.

I watched what he does pass plays and on run plays. Unless you've actually done what I have, you have no room to argue otherwise.

a) Foster has the worst balance I've ever seen from an offensive lineman. It doesn't matter if its a speed rusher or a bull rusher, he gets bumped and pushed around like no other.

b) 75% of the time he just tries to club the rusher, he rarely engages them as every other lineman of ours does.

c) It almost seems that he clubs because he's aware of problem a), because the times he does engage, he gets pushed all over the place. He alone causes more runs for loss and forced throws. I'd say about 50% of all rushed passes have come as a result of he's poor excuse for blocking.
Another 25% of rushes for loss or no gain come because he looks like hes not trying.

d) I just dont see the mean streak in him that dominant offensive lineman are supposed to have, in fact many times if you watch him after the play he's shaking his head or talking about I dont know what. Its just very obvious watching him play after play after play, that he's just Soft.

In conclusion, I must say that I wanted to watch the film to defend him. I thought he wasn't as bad as some argued. Now having studied him, I have to say he is the weakest link on offense, hands down. I would like all those that still wish to challenge this to review some film. You will end up having to do as I, and change your mind about him. He is just plain bad. We all want Cutler to play, at this point I want Foster to stop, replace him with anyone, it wont matter, he's just terrible.




Dude, you need to stop with the George hating threads man. Its getting old.:yayaya:

[ludo21]

i know this is an old arguement, but it still holds true.

Whoever is behind him MUST be worse, or else Shanny would have already made the switch. We gotta wait till next year.

[Cosmo]

Dude, you need to stop with the George hating threads man. Its getting old.:yayaya:

Dude, you need to realize this is new material, not the same bull crap everyone else posts. I watched game film for about 10 hours over 3 days. Review & Slow Motion were used liberally and often. Stop Homering on him, he's that bad.

Besides, did you even read my post? I stated that I was a fan up till I did some research. What have you done?

[Cosmo]

i know this is an old arguement, but it still holds true.

Whoever is behind him MUST be worse, or else Shanny would have already made the switch. We gotta wait till next year.

Scary thought isn't it? My main purpose to post this is to take some of the burden off of Jake (even though he is playing very badly) and prove that there are worse areas of our offense.

[Northman]

Dude, you need to realize this is new material, not the same bull crap everyone else posts. I watched game film for about 10 hours over 3 days. Review & Slow Motion were used liberally and often. Stop Homering on him, he's that bad.

Besides, did you even read my post? I stated that I was a fan up till I did some research. What have you done?



Dude, i was just messing with you. With all the complaints about the Jake threads i figured i would poke at you a little. Im not doubting what you have done cause i really havent watched Foster that much this year. :thumbsup:

[Spider]

George for President ............... err wait ......

[Kaylore]

To Whom it May Concern or if your name i Taco,

I decided to invest in some game film time. I have every game this season recorded. I decided to go back and study film on George Foster....and Matt Lepsis, hell, pretty much the whole offense line.

I watched what he does pass plays and on run plays. Unless you've actually done what I have, you have no room to argue otherwise.

a) Foster has the worst balance I've ever seen from an offensive lineman. It doesn't matter if its a speed rusher or a bull rusher, he gets bumped and pushed around like no other.

b) 75% of the time he just tries to club the rusher, he rarely engages them as every other lineman of ours does.

c) It almost seems that he clubs because he's aware of problem a), because the times he does engage, he gets pushed all over the place. He alone causes more runs for loss and forced throws. I'd say about 50% of all rushed passes have come as a result of he's poor excuse for blocking.
Another 25% of rushes for loss or no gain come because he looks like hes not trying.

d) I just dont see the mean streak in him that dominant offensive lineman are supposed to have, in fact many times if you watch him after the play he's shaking his head or talking about I dont know what. Its just very obvious watching him play after play after play, that he's just Soft.

In conclusion, I must say that I wanted to watch the film to defend him. I thought he wasn't as bad as some argued. Now having studied him, I have to say he is the weakest link on offense, hands down. I would like all those that still wish to challenge this to review some film. You will end up having to do as I, and change your mind about him. He is just plain bad. We all want Cutler to play, at this point I want Foster to stop, replace him with anyone, it wont matter, he's just terrible.


You just hate winning! Why all this pecisimism?! Why are our fans so spoiled!?

Don't you know that George Foster is 37-16 as a starter!? Do you realize how many right tackles have that kind of win percentage!? That's better than future hall of famer Will Roaf! It's amazing how people can't see this player's win record and still find something pick apart! Jeez maybe our fans should be less spoiled! I'm going to make a thread for people who enjoy winning and don't hate it like you so we can all tell each other how right we are.


;)

[Northman]

You just hate winning! Why all this pecisimism?! Why are our fans so spoiled!?

Don't you know that George Foster is 37-16 as a starter!? Do you realize how many right tackles have that kind of win percentage!? That's better than future hall of famer Will Roaf! It's amazing how people can't see this player's win record and still find something pick apart! Jeez maybe our fans should be less spoiled! I'm going to make a thread for people who enjoy winning and don't hate it like you so we can all tell each other how right we are.


;)



Your just a hater man!

[wolf754life]

jake plummer is terrible, we will never win a big game with him, ie..........AFC CHAMPIONSHIP at HOME against #6 playoff seed.............

[-Slap-]

I saw him kick a quadriplegic in the face once. Then he did a little victory dance.

[BigPlayShay]

I think this shows that if you put the spotlight on anyone player on offense you will see mistakes being made. That is why they are struggling. It isn't all Jake, but the QB is the position that everyone looks at. The position is magnified 1,000% and even moreso now that there is a "blue-chipper" behind him. It is not convenient to look at all 11 players on offense. It takes to much work.

There is a lot to be said for an offensive rhythm. There have been drives where the offense is in a rhytm, but not a whole game. Hell not even a whole quarter. There has been flashes, and I am confident that they will get it together.

[Popps]

You just hate winning! Why all this pecisimism?! Why are our fans so spoiled!?

Don't you know that George Foster is 37-16 as a starter!? Do you realize how many right tackles have that kind of win percentage!? That's better than future hall of famer Will Roaf! It's amazing how people can't see this player's win record and still find something pick apart! Jeez maybe our fans should be less spoiled! I'm going to make a thread for people who enjoy winning and don't hate it like you so we can all tell each other how right we are.


;)

No, I have a better idea... let's ignore the 400 threads that exist for crying and whining, and go post on the ONE thread that was supposed to be somewhat complimentary to the team. (God forbid, some celebration of a 4-1 record, even if the team isn't 100% flawless)

After all, the world's just not right if everyone isn't as miserable as you, right?

It's amazing how important it is to you and your pouty little gang to ensure that people are constantly bummed out about things. I mean, fans shouldn't be able to celebrate a win without you pissing on their party, right?

Hey, keep up the crusade, though. Whatever makes you "happy."

[dbroncos31]

jake plummer is terrible, we will never win a big game with him, ie..........AFC CHAMPIONSHIP at HOME against #6 playoff seed.............
What the **** does this have to do with anything that is being discussed in this thread? This thread is about George Foster, so leave your crap on Jake outta here. There's like 100 other threads that you can post that stuff on.

[BroncoFanDoug]

You just hate winning! Why all this pecisimism?! Why are our fans so spoiled!?

Don't you know that George Foster is 37-16 as a starter!? Do you realize how many right tackles have that kind of win percentage!? That's better than future hall of famer Will Roaf! It's amazing how people can't see this player's win record and still find something pick apart! Jeez maybe our fans should be less spoiled! I'm going to make a thread for people who enjoy winning and don't hate it like you so we can all tell each other how right we are.


;)

Ha, that's pretty funny. I am no Jake hater (or lover for that matter), but this is a pretty good parody of a lot of the Jake lovers.

[Taco John]

...

Gary Zimmerman Isn't Coming Back! Get Used To It!

[PLOWHORSE]

No, I have a better idea... let's ignore the 400 threads that exist for crying and whining, and go post on the ONE thread that was supposed to be somewhat complimentary to the team. (God forbid, some celebration of a 4-1 record, even if the team isn't 100% flawless)

After all, the world's just not right if everyone isn't as miserable as you, right?

It's amazing how important it is to you and your pouty little gang to ensure that people are constantly bummed out about things. I mean, fans shouldn't be able to celebrate a win without you pissing on their party, right?

Hey, keep up the crusade, though. Whatever makes you "happy."

Hey Popps! The guy was just trying to point out a glaring weakness in a rather inept offense. If you think it necessary to ignore these weaknesses, then don't be surprised when they cause the team losses.

[Kaylore]

No, I have a better idea... let's ignore the 400 threads that exist for crying and whining, and go post on the ONE thread that was supposed to be somewhat complimentary to the team. (God forbid, some celebration of a 4-1 record, even if the team isn't 100% flawless)

After all, the world's just not right if everyone isn't as miserable as you, right?

It's amazing how important it is to you and your pouty little gang to ensure that people are constantly bummed out about things. I mean, fans shouldn't be able to celebrate a win without you pissing on their party, right?

Hey, keep up the crusade, though. Whatever makes you "happy."

You know Popps if you can't handle someone on the team getting crticized for a bad game, maybe the internet isn't the place for you. And way to accuse me of essentially hating winning again and "pissing on their party."

Forgive me if I couldn't resist the urge to use the same flawed logic that everyone uses on Jake on another player. It's no secret that I'm not a big George Foster fan. It's also no secret that I'm really into watching offensive linemen...hope that doesn't sound weird.

And thank you Cosmo for backing me up on this. I've been trying to get people to go back and watch the actual game film of him and see I'm not just a hater. His one good game was against the Ravens. I think that was a combination of him playing up to national TV and Pryce being an underachiever for the past three years.

Jake supporters should be front and center trying to get Foster to either improve or be replaced. It's hard for Jake to make plays when Foster is letting him get sacked. The second half we had to compensate by puting Mustard in at his side to help him out. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mustard put on some weight and start at tackle next season. Whatever we do, we need to address the situation because it's a weakness that teams are going to start scheming around.

[Popps]

You know Popps if you can't handle someone on the team getting crticized for a bad game, maybe the internet isn't the place for you. .

Probably been at this longer than you, my friend. But, thanks for the advice.

And way to accuse me of essentially hating winning again and "pissing on their party.".

You couldn't stay off the thread. Again, if you were confident in your stance.. you wouldn't have felt the need to bring the b****ing onto the thread. In fact, you were so livid that people were celebrating the win, you're STILL carrying on about it, ON DIFFERENT threads. Clearly, it got under your skin... and you could have simply avoided it. I don't recall seeing your name in the thread title.

So, no accusing... just pointing out facts.

Anyway, carry on....

http://seacoastnh.com/images/stories/poetry/crybaby.jpg

[Pendejo]

I don't think the Rat is using Foster right.

[Taco John]

It's no secret that I'm really into watching offensive linemen...



Kin-kay!

[Bronx33]

I saw him kick a quadriplegic in the face once. Then he did a little victory dance.


You! gotta link? :clown:

[Garcia Bronco]

The fullback spot is lacking as well

[Cosmo]

You know Popps if you can't handle someone on the team getting crticized for a bad game, maybe the internet isn't the place for you. And way to accuse me of essentially hating winning again and "pissing on their party."

Forgive me if I couldn't resist the urge to use the same flawed logic that everyone uses on Jake on another player. It's no secret that I'm not a big George Foster fan. It's also no secret that I'm really into watching offensive linemen...hope that doesn't sound weird.

And thank you Cosmo for backing me up on this. I've been trying to get people to go back and watch the actual game film of him and see I'm not just a hater. His one good game was against the Ravens. I think that was a combination of him playing up to national TV and Pryce being an underachiever for the past three years.

Jake supporters should be front and center trying to get Foster to either improve or be replaced. It's hard for Jake to make plays when Foster is letting him get sacked. The second half we had to compensate by puting Mustard in at his side to help him out. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mustard put on some weight and start at tackle next season. Whatever we do, we need to address the situation because it's a weakness that teams are going to start scheming around.


NP Kaylore, I'd like to give an opinion on his worst game, but they were all just so ugly. Many times I'd see him completely whiff and look lost, like now that he missed what should he do. I just can't understand why he doesn't engage at all, hardly ever. Its just sickening.

[Rocket 7]

Cosmo and George I open up the link thinking it was about

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/dipsomaniac1/seincast23.jpg

[Garcia Bronco]

Cosmo and George I open up the link thinking it was about

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/dipsomaniac1/seincast23.jpg

"You used a baum? I didn't tell you to use a baum. Who told you to use a baum?"

[freak6]

I've seen him beaten numerous times on pass rush, but can you grade his run blocking?

[Atlas]

You just hate winning! Why all this pecisimism?! Why are our fans so spoiled!?

Don't you know that George Foster is 37-16 as a starter!? Do you realize how many right tackles have that kind of win percentage!? That's better than future hall of famer Will Roaf! It's amazing how people can't see this player's win record and still find something pick apart! Jeez maybe our fans should be less spoiled! I'm going to make a thread for people who enjoy winning and don't hate it like you so we can all tell each other how right we are.


;)

He has also been the starting RT of the Best running team since he started and since he started Denver is one of the top 5 teams in NOT giving up sacks... but he sucks..... somehow the RBs are so awesome that even with him red caping the Dlineman in to the backfield they still somehow get 1,500 yards.

[broncogary]

He has also been the starting RT of the Best running team since he started and since he started Denver is one of the top 5 teams in NOT giving up sacks... but he sucks..... somehow the RBs are so awesome that even with him red caping the Dlineman in to the backfield they still somehow get 1,500 yards.

Big deal. Denver has gone 84-21 since Popps has been on this board, and that's tough to argue with. :spit:

[Atlas]

Big deal. Denver has gone 84-21 since Popps has been on this board, and that's tough to argue with. :spit:

NICE

[Kaylore]

He has also been the starting RT of the Best running team since he started and since he started Denver is one of the top 5 teams in NOT giving up sacks... but he sucks..... somehow the RBs are so awesome that even with him red caping the Dlineman in to the backfield they still somehow get 1,500 yards.
The ol' "look at the stats" argument. The rest of linemen are doing well. If the line was made up of five George Foster's you might have a point. I must be imagining things and Cosmo is in on the big joke too now.

[freak6]

The ol' "look at the stats" argument. The rest of linemen are doing well. If the line was made up of five George Foster's you might have a point. I must be imagining things and Cosmo is in on the big joke too now.

Do these people's brains work?

We are analyzing a single player, evaluating one guy. If Peyton Manning throws for 4500 yards, but Brandon Stokely drops 50% of the passes that hit him, would you excuse him for being on the best offense in the NFL.

Flawed logic dude.

[watermock]

I saw him kick a quadriplegic in the face once. Then he did a little victory dance.

What he said, twice!

[Atlas]

The ol' "look at the stats" argument. The rest of linemen are doing well. If the line was made up of five George Foster's you might have a point. I must be imagining things and Cosmo is in on the big joke too now.

I mean Foster is great he might be average but if he was bad Denver's offense would not be good. Look at the Chiefs. Roaf goes out for a couple of games and you can tell. Because their backup T is bad!!! Foster isn't bad because if he was you would notice. He has problems but he himself isn't a a problem. He is better than a lot of other starting OL in the NFL.

[Kaylore]

I mean Foster is great he might be average but if he was bad Denver's offense would not be good. Look at the Chiefs. Roaf goes out for a couple of games and you can tell. Because their backup T is bad!!! Foster isn't bad because if he was you would notice. He has problems but he himself isn't a a problem. He is better than a lot of other starting OL in the NFL.

Well I don't think he's a great fit for our system, but I suppose he could be worse. I admit you're not always going to be able to have everyone on the offensive line all-world, but I think it's an area we should improve....and it wouldn't be too hard.

[listopencil]

jake plummer is terrible, we will never win a big game with him, ie..........AFC CHAMPIONSHIP at HOME against the eventual Super Bowl champions.........



Fixed your post. If you think Plummer sucks because we didn't beat Pittsburgh then there are 30 other starting QB's that should have been replaced.

[SteveTensi13]

I watched game film for about 10 hours over 3 days. Review & Slow Motion were used liberally and often.

I wish I had that much time on my hands, but alas, I do not!

[Cosmo]

Well, the times George does well has nothing to do with anything he actually does. Its the Rusher that can't decide which way around him to go, then he clubs them or falls on them. He just plain occupies a lot of space, which makes him look like hes doing well at times.

[listopencil]

I saw him kick a quadriplegic in the face once. Then he did a little victory dance.


I heard he eats babies.

[Man-Goblin]

Well I don't think he's a great fit for our system,

Totally and completely 100% agree.

Something sticks out here, people.

Lepsis, Matt T 6' 4" 290
Hamilton, Ben G/C 6' 4" 283
Nalen, Tom C 6' 3" 286
Carlisle, Cooper G/T 6' 5" 295
Foster, George T 6' 5" 338

And for those novices in the audience....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/justusj/FFICards20011.jpg

[Bronx33]

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/6638/fostermugfp3.gif

[Popps]

Totally and completely 100% agree.

Something sticks out here, people.

Lepsis, Matt T 6' 4" 290
Hamilton, Ben G/C 6' 4" 283
Nalen, Tom C 6' 3" 286
Carlisle, Cooper G/T 6' 5" 295
Foster, George T 6' 5" 338

And for those novices in the audience....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/justusj/FFICards20011.jpg

LOL!

Funny stuff.

Foster seems adequate. Good run blocker, not so good as a pass blocker. I wouldn't say he's a major source of the team's problems, but he's hardly a strong point and certainly a borderline bust as a mid first rounder. We've got low round guys performing better.

[Steve Sewell]

To Whom it May Concern or if your name i Taco,

I decided to invest in some game film time. I have every game this season recorded. I decided to go back and study film on George Foster....and Matt Lepsis, hell, pretty much the whole offense line.

I watched what he does pass plays and on run plays. Unless you've actually done what I have, you have no room to argue otherwise.

a) Foster has the worst balance I've ever seen from an offensive lineman. It doesn't matter if its a speed rusher or a bull rusher, he gets bumped and pushed around like no other.

b) 75% of the time he just tries to club the rusher, he rarely engages them as every other lineman of ours does.

c) It almost seems that he clubs because he's aware of problem a), because the times he does engage, he gets pushed all over the place. He alone causes more runs for loss and forced throws. I'd say about 50% of all rushed passes have come as a result of he's poor excuse for blocking.
Another 25% of rushes for loss or no gain come because he looks like hes not trying.

d) I just dont see the mean streak in him that dominant offensive lineman are supposed to have, in fact many times if you watch him after the play he's shaking his head or talking about I dont know what. Its just very obvious watching him play after play after play, that he's just Soft.

In conclusion, I must say that I wanted to watch the film to defend him. I thought he wasn't as bad as some argued. Now having studied him, I have to say he is the weakest link on offense, hands down. I would like all those that still wish to challenge this to review some film. You will end up having to do as I, and change your mind about him. He is just plain bad. We all want Cutler to play, at this point I want Foster to stop, replace him with anyone, it wont matter, he's just terrible.

Well, obviously Dennison and Shanahan haven't watched enough film...

But then again, what kind of credibility do those two have? F-it, bench Foster!

[Man-Goblin]

LOL!

Funny stuff.

Foster seems adequate. Good run blocker, not so good as a pass blocker. I wouldn't say he's a major source of the team's problems, but he's hardly a strong point and certainly a borderline bust as a mid first rounder. We've got low round guys performing better.

Agreed...I don't have a problem with Foster as long as they're winning. In fact, I don't have a problem with anyone, as long as they're winning.

Of course, I don't have 10 hours to look at tape. And if I did, I doubt I would spend it sitting down and zooming in on the Broncos' offensive line. I'm glad some people do, though. Good analysis.

BUT, to me, it's hard to ignore that for the last 10 years we've been spoon fed that the key to the zone blocking scheme is smaller, nimbler lineman. So how the hell does a 338 lb. lineman fit that bill?

[Bronx33]

Agreed...I don't have a problem with Foster as long as they're winning. In fact, I don't have a problem with anyone, as long as they're winning.

Of course, I don't have 10 hours to look at tape. And if I did, I doubt I would spend it sitting down and zooming in on the Broncos' offensive line. I'm glad some people do, though. Good analysis.

BUT, to me, it's hard to ignore that for the last 10 years we've been spoon fed that the key to the zone blocking scheme is smaller, nimbler lineman. So how the hell does a 338 lb. lineman fit that bill?


It doesn't make sense, i was b****ing about foster a few games ago about him missing blocks on faster DE but over all he does a pretty good job we just have to hope the match ups favor george and if it doesn't try to roll plummer away from that pressure.

[baja]

You just hate winning! Why all this pecisimism?! Why are our fans so spoiled!?

Don't you know that George Foster is 37-16 as a starter!? Do you realize how many right tackles have that kind of win percentage!? That's better than future hall of famer Will Roaf! It's amazing how people can't see this player's win record and still find something pick apart! Jeez maybe our fans should be less spoiled! I'm going to make a thread for people who enjoy winning and don't hate it like you so we can all tell each other how right we are.




;)

So I guess Popps had found out Kaylore's passcode

[baja]

I wish I had that much time on my hands, but alas, I do not!

Too busy night sticking those wet backs???

[Spider]

Too busy night sticking those wet backs???

congrats you just made a 40 somthing trucker in Wyoming say .......Ewwwwwwwwww......

[baja]

LOL!

Funny stuff.

Foster seems adequate. Good run blocker, not so good as a pass blocker. I wouldn't say he's a major source of the team's problems, but he's hardly a strong point and certainly a borderline bust as a mid first rounder. We've got low round guys performing better.

We got undrafted free agants doing better.

[Natedogg]

...

Gary Zimmerman Isn't Coming Back! Get Used To It!

Mayby Tony Jones? :thanku:

[Popps]

So I guess Popps had found out Kaylore's passcode

Nah. See, I would never describe enjoying a win as "telling each other how right we are."

Enjoyment is not an opinion. It's not "right" or wrong. It's just enjoyment.
I enjoy chocolate. That's not up for debate. It's just a fact.


But, when you're as unconfident in your position as Kaylore and Co., you can't stand the thought of some Broncos fans enjoying a win if Jake Plummer was the QB. You have to attempt to spoil it. I mean, it's not even about football for most of these types. It's just being "right" on a message board that drives them. That couldn't be any more obvious.

[watermock]

I'm amazed how someone can be so consistently wrong.

[Dos Rios]

I hesitate to post on yet another thread that has degenerated into a food fight between the long-time residents here.

But, on the topic:

Is anyone else perplexed by the fact we cut Cornell Green and kept Adam Meadows, only to deactivate Meadows every game this season? Last year Green split with Foster, which was attributed by Shanahan in part to Foster's injuries and in part to Foster's inconsistencies. This year, no Green and no split.

To my mind, Foster's been an issue to the staff for two years now. I assume they saw something they liked in Meadows enough to let Green go (wasn't he a first round cut?). I'm just not sure what the plan is for Meadows now. He's certainly not at an age where you stow him on inactive all year for the future. Seems like a stop-gap veteran that you use now or not at all.

[Northman]

I'm amazed how someone can be so consistently wrong.



Well, give him a break. Popps isnt perfect. ;)

[GonzoLays]

To Whom it May Concern or if your name i Taco,

I decided to invest in some game film time. I have every game this season recorded. I decided to go back and study film on George Foster....and Matt Lepsis, hell, pretty much the whole offense line.

I watched what he does pass plays and on run plays. Unless you've actually done what I have, you have no room to argue otherwise.

a) Foster has the worst balance I've ever seen from an offensive lineman. It doesn't matter if its a speed rusher or a bull rusher, he gets bumped and pushed around like no other.

b) 75% of the time he just tries to club the rusher, he rarely engages them as every other lineman of ours does.

c) It almost seems that he clubs because he's aware of problem a), because the times he does engage, he gets pushed all over the place. He alone causes more runs for loss and forced throws. I'd say about 50% of all rushed passes have come as a result of he's poor excuse for blocking.
Another 25% of rushes for loss or no gain come because he looks like hes not trying.

d) I just dont see the mean streak in him that dominant offensive lineman are supposed to have, in fact many times if you watch him after the play he's shaking his head or talking about I dont know what. Its just very obvious watching him play after play after play, that he's just Soft.

In conclusion, I must say that I wanted to watch the film to defend him. I thought he wasn't as bad as some argued. Now having studied him, I have to say he is the weakest link on offense, hands down. I would like all those that still wish to challenge this to review some film. You will end up having to do as I, and change your mind about him. He is just plain bad. We all want Cutler to play, at this point I want Foster to stop, replace him with anyone, it wont matter, he's just terrible.

:notworthy

Excellent post.

George Foster sucks ass.

[GonzoLays]

Well, obviously Dennison and Shanahan haven't watched enough film...

But then again, what kind of credibility do those two have? F-it, bench Foster!

Don't be a moron. Unless you want to start a guy who was building houses for the past two years or a practice squad vet, George Foster by default of sucking the least gets the starts.

[Willynowei]

I've posted about this many times. I wonder if Foster feels embarrased everytime a guy half his size lifts him up and throws him into Jake. Either he doesn't care about football, or he's midly retarded. That is not a joke.

He's athletic though, just no fundamentals. Butt too high, back is arched, split too narrow, doesn't extend arms, doesnt use hands to steer the D-lineman, allows opposing lineman to get into his shoulder pads, constant lapses in focus... Infact i've seen him on many occasions confused when the defense lined up off to the right or left with the DE way to his outside.

Let me put it this way, i would say that mentally, he is just not there, whether he's distracted or stupid, I don't know. Without his size and athleticism, Foster would'nt have made it on to a Highschool JV team.

[Rascal]

To Whom it May Concern or if your name i Taco,

I decided to invest in some game film time. I have every game this season recorded. I decided to go back and study film on George Foster....and Matt Lepsis, hell, pretty much the whole offense line.

I watched what he does pass plays and on run plays. Unless you've actually done what I have, you have no room to argue otherwise.

a) Foster has the worst balance I've ever seen from an offensive lineman. It doesn't matter if its a speed rusher or a bull rusher, he gets bumped and pushed around like no other.

b) 75% of the time he just tries to club the rusher, he rarely engages them as every other lineman of ours does.

c) It almost seems that he clubs because he's aware of problem a), because the times he does engage, he gets pushed all over the place. He alone causes more runs for loss and forced throws. I'd say about 50% of all rushed passes have come as a result of he's poor excuse for blocking.
Another 25% of rushes for loss or no gain come because he looks like hes not trying.

d) I just dont see the mean streak in him that dominant offensive lineman are supposed to have, in fact many times if you watch him after the play he's shaking his head or talking about I dont know what. Its just very obvious watching him play after play after play, that he's just Soft.

In conclusion, I must say that I wanted to watch the film to defend him. I thought he wasn't as bad as some argued. Now having studied him, I have to say he is the weakest link on offense, hands down. I would like all those that still wish to challenge this to review some film. You will end up having to do as I, and change your mind about him. He is just plain bad. We all want Cutler to play, at this point I want Foster to stop, replace him with anyone, it wont matter, he's just terrible.

Welcome to the side of light.

[GonzoLays]

I've posted about this many times. I wonder if Foster feels embarrased everytime a guy half his size lifts him up and throws him into Jake. Either he doesn't care about football, or he's midly retarded. That is not a joke.



Hilarious!

[Steve Sewell]

Don't be a moron. Unless you want to start a guy who was building houses for the past two years or a practice squad vet, George Foster by default of sucking the least gets the starts.

I'm not being a moron. A "moron" would be you (who has established exactly 0 credibility on this site) or an amatuer "film reviewer" that thinks he knows more about offensive line play than Shanahan and Dennison.

[GonzoLays]

I'm not being a moron. A "moron" would be you (who has established exactly 0 credibility on this site) or an amatuer "film reviewer" that thinks he knows more about offensive line play than Shanahan and Dennison.

Relax son, its gonna be okay. Seriously.

[Kaylore]

But, when you're as unconfident in your position as Kaylore and Co., you can't stand the thought of some Broncos fans enjoying a win if Jake Plummer was the QB. You have to attempt to spoil it. I mean, it's not even about football for most of these types. It's just being "right" on a message board that drives them. That couldn't be any more obvious.
:giggle:

I think there is a lot of projecting going on here. This reads like you're describing yourself. You're the one unconfident in your position. I mean there is statistical evidence that proves Plummer is playing like crap. Not to mention 80% of the board can see it with their own eyes. You're the one who is taking all the attacks on him personally. You're the one who is allowing your feelings to be hurt when people criticize Plummer. Your posts drip with emotion and hurt feelings.

And it's nice to see you going for that "hate winning" card again. Popps, no one can prevent you from enjoying a win. And despite what you are trying to convince everyone of, being critical of a player after a win doesn't constitute "win hating" or hating that other people enjoy a win. I really like that people are happy we won, but I'm on this board to discuss football and it's no surprise that most of the sharper football minds on this board can clearly see that the offense is a cause for concern.

I'd like to point out that I've been behind Plummer in the past and even after we drafted Cutler, so you can't say that this is because I hate Plummer. I definitely hate how he's been playing, though. Consider this before you lump everyone into one group and over-simplify their position or views.

[Popps]

:giggle:

I think there is a lot of projecting going on here. This reads like you're describing yourself. You're the one unconfident in your position.

Really? I'm unconfident in the fact that I enjoyed beating Oakland? Wow. I guess I should ask, then... do I like ice cream? I thought I did. But, apparently that's up to you to decide?

I mean there is statistical evidence that proves Plummer is playing like crap.

You don't say? Very interesting. I'll have to mull that over... as it's the first time I've heard of it.

You're the one who is allowing your feelings to be hurt when people criticize Plummer. Your posts drip with emotion and hurt feelings.

So, when I criticize Plummer's mistakes myself, as I have done repeatedly... how does that effect your theory? (Myth)

Consider this before you lump everyone into one group and over-simplify their position or views.

Yea, because you're not doing any of that, are you.

[Kaylore]

That's a pretty weak comeback, Popps. You would have been better off just telling me I hate winning again.

[Popps]

That's a pretty weak comeback, Popps.

Wow, you basically post "I know you are but what am I"... and tell ME my comeback was weak?

:spit:

[yavoon]

so foster is really bad, didnt we conclude this last year? and why did we cut cornell? strange tidings.

[ScottXray]

Actually I'm really getting sick of every thread somehow ending up being Plummer/Cutler and the pertinent Bashers/Defenders tearing into each other over and over, then starting over, yet again. It's like some never ending dog fight...lots of snarling and growling...no real winner.


This thread is about FOSTER and his play. It does not involve the play of the QB, except as it relates to pass blocking. Everyone should get ON topic, and at least try to stay on topic.

Foster appears to be very inconsistent, and the weakest link on the O-line. I don't think Lepsis has played WELL either.

So, should we probably concentrate in the draft on Offensive tackles (Lepsis aint getting younger) AND Defensive ends? Perhaps a safety, and then where?

[Popps]

So, should we probably concentrate in the draft on Offensive tackles (Lepsis aint getting younger) AND Defensive ends? Perhaps a safety, and then where?

Ideal draft for next year would involve a DE early, as well as some safety help. You also have to wonder if Shanahan might be itchy enough to take another WR high, figuring Rod may be getting old in a hurry.

Hard to say if we'd look for Foster's replacement. Who knows how unhappy the staff really is with Georgie. I do know that if we didn't have an agile QB, he'd be getting killed right now. Lucky for us, Cutler seems pretty elusive in the pocket.

[listopencil]

My daughter can play OT. This play is second and 15. Here she is plowing through the D lineman. In this pic she is 3 yards past the LOS and still pushing her man (OK, boy) backwards. The RB gained 4 yards and was tackled by a LB.

[listopencil]

This is the very next play, third and eleven. She pushed her man (#65) about seven yards off of the LOS and the RB went to her side. She actually caught up with #65 and legally blocked him out of the play again, springing the RB for a first down. Her offensive unit scored two TD's today. She was also in on several tackles as a DE and a LB later in the game.

[Popps]

My daughter can play OT. This play is second and 15. Here she is plowing through the D lineman. In this pic she is 3 yards past the LOS and still pushing her man (OK, boy) backwards. The RB gained 4 yards and was tackled by a LB.

That's the damned coolest thing I've ever seen. Which one is your girl?

Damn, you know... I keep forgetting that just because I was blessed with a girl doesn't mean she can't play a little pop-warner! Great stuff.

I keep (joking) with my 12 year old, telling him... "no pressure if you don't want to play football, it's just that your mother and I will die unhappy."

:~ohyah!:

[listopencil]

That's the damned coolest thing I've ever seen. Which one is your girl?

Damn, you know... I keep forgetting that just because I was blessed with a girl doesn't mean she can't play a little pop-warner! Great stuff.

I keep (joking) with my 12 year old, telling him... "no pressure if you don't want to play football, it's just that your mother and I will die unhappy."

:~ohyah!:

She's #74, second string LT. You can see her number better in the second picture, but in the first one she's the only one in red that's close to the center of the shot.

[Bronx33]

Garrett does alot of standing around.

[listopencil]

It's her first year and they penciled her in as RG but she sprained her shoulder in week 2 of "Training Camp" and ended up on D-Line instead. She loved D-Line and was very effective but they moved her to LT about four weeks ago. She's finally settled into it. Now she plows kids off the LOS every snap. She scares the opposing LB's.

[listopencil]

Garrett does alot of standing around.


He's the QB for the other Offense. He was following the play from the sidelines, wishing his LT blocked like that.

[listopencil]

BTW, my daughter is on second string O (they scored two TD's today) and plays DT/DE in practice for the most part. Last Wednesday at practice she busted through the line, grabbed Garret by the jersey, spun him around so hard that he fumbled the ball, then threw him to the ground. She was in the backfield all night long. They put her in on D-Line this week. Garret's probably just really glad she's not beating his ass right now.

[ScottXray]

Ideal draft for next year would involve a DE early, as well as some safety help. You also have to wonder if Shanahan might be itchy enough to take another WR high, figuring Rod may be getting old in a hurry.

Hard to say if we'd look for Foster's replacement. Who knows how unhappy the staff really is with Georgie. I do know that if we didn't have an agile QB, he'd be getting killed right now. Lucky for us, Cutler seems pretty elusive in the pocket.

Actually, we need to start thinking about whether we want to stay with the Light/quick line concept...the defenses are getting faster and faster too. Speed is good..but we also need to be able to power the running game in the red zone, and short yardage....which is still one of the biggest problems we have. Foster might do better inside... But then we start a whole different set of problems.

Cutler is elusive in the pocket...but I think he does better as a drop back type of QB....and for that the line has to open passing lanes, which is one thing that isn't happening much this year, and one of the problems. While Cutler is effective scrambling, he will do better if we can form and hold a pocket. Our light quick guys are designed for a moving pocket, and the rollout game. And a running QB has a much higher injury risk, one of the reasons Shanny originally reeled Jake in for a few years ago..

While we have a few lineman in backup (Myers, Kuper) that will move into the line in the next two years, we will need to start developing the tackles soon. And that means drafting or trading for them, and deciding which way to go with the line. We'll probably stay with the current line type though.

WR is another concern, but not high round unless something falls to us without problems ( other teams needs and Not the draftees ).

DE is probably our #1 priority, although there are too many busts as first round picks..( just look at our D-line...how many 1st rounders?). 2nd round and 3rd..yes, and MAYBE free agency.

First round...my bet is we go for a BIG FAST RB. Jerome Bettis type...someone that will move the chains in short yardage, even without a hole.

;D

[eddie mac]

This is why I was pretty shocked by the release of Cornell Green during pre-season. He stepped in for Foster last year when he missed any game time and any report I read last season the coaches seemed pretty high on the ex-Buc. He must have had a really ****ty training camp and pre-season or did it come down to just a choice of him or Adam Meadows???

[listopencil]

Oh, by the way- here's a pic from after the game. My daughter's team went 8-1 on the season, 5-1 in their division. This is the team getting the division championship trophy. They get a first round bye for the playoffs. My daughter is circled:

[Popps]

Oh, by the way- here's a pic from after the game. My daughter's team went 8-1 on the season, 5-1 in their division. This is the team getting the division championship trophy. They get a first round bye for the playoffs. My daughter is circled:

You must just be exploding with pride at her games, bro. Very cool.

I'm hoping to get Ava started on at least flag football soon... maybe once she hits 6 months. :thumbs:

[listopencil]

You must just be exploding with pride at her games, bro. Very cool.

I'm hoping to get Ava started on at least flag football soon... maybe once she hits 6 months. :thumbs:

It's been great! My son plays in the next group down. He also plays LT but as a starter on his team. No playoffs but they just finished an undefeated season. They are going to play a post season exhibition game against another very strong team in their age group next Saturday. They are calling it the Jr. Pee Wee Super Bowl. Pretty cool! Check into it, in some cities they can start at five years old! My son's group is seven to nine and my daughter's is nine to eleven. They also have weight requirements for each team.

[SteveTensi13]

She scares the opposing LB's.

I'd be concerned if I had a little girl that scared linebackers!!

[Requiem]

I don't think an opinion is the truth, and if the Broncos Brass through he sucked balls, they would have already replaced him. Unfortunately, I am not going to get to see the Browns game, but I disagree with George Foster sucking ass. Whether or not he's lived up to expectations is one thing or another (because for one, Denver fans are some of the most spoiled people in all of sports and two, always have high expectations, extremely high for players, especially first-rounders).

George Foster isn't a Walter Jones, he is not an elite player. He's also not complete garbage. If people are going to bitch about his play, might want to look at some other people on the line either. People seem to never point out Matt Lepsis, but he hasn't played that well this year either. Most of our line hasn't. . . .

Foster can improve, but he's not "terrible" or "sucky" -- I think with a strong crop of offensive tackles coming out this year, depending on what we get, or who we get -- it might be an indicator that Foster has not been performing up to par. Let's see if those in charge of the team believe that he's not doing well. If he sucked ass, you'd think Meadows would be in by now, right? Or at least active.

Yeah. . . Foster sure sucks!

[Donk]

You just hate winning! Why all this pecisimism?! Why are our fans so spoiled!?

Don't you know that George Foster is 37-16 as a starter!? Do you realize how many right tackles have that kind of win percentage!? That's better than future hall of famer Will Roaf! It's amazing how people can't see this player's win record and still find something pick apart! Jeez maybe our fans should be less spoiled! I'm going to make a thread for people who enjoy winning and don't hate it like you so we can all tell each other how right we are.


;)

pecisimism?!

[Man-Goblin]

This is why I was pretty shocked by the release of Cornell Green during pre-season. He stepped in for Foster last year when he missed any game time and any report I read last season the coaches seemed pretty high on the ex-Buc. He must have had a really ****ty training camp and pre-season or did it come down to just a choice of him or Adam Meadows???

It just shows that Green truly was in there because Foster was hurt last year. Meadows is better than Green, but he's not seeing any time.

[Cito Pelon]

George the Spokesman and the guys haven't taken many penalties this year. O holding calls can be drive killers. I heard some stuff about how George has to fall down on top of guys to stop their rush. What's wrong with that? Seems like a great tactic to me.

Ace.

[ludo21]

I don't think an opinion is the truth, and if the Broncos Brass through he sucked balls, they would have already replaced him. Unfortunately, I am not going to get to see the Browns game, but I disagree with George Foster sucking ass. Whether or not he's lived up to expectations is one thing or another (because for one, Denver fans are some of the most spoiled people in all of sports and two, always have high expectations, extremely high for players, especially first-rounders).

George Foster isn't a Walter Jones, he is not an elite player. He's also not complete garbage. If people are going to b**** about his play, might want to look at some other people on the line either. People seem to never point out Matt Lepsis, but he hasn't played that well this year either. Most of our line hasn't. . . .

Foster can improve, but he's not "terrible" or "sucky" -- I think with a strong crop of offensive tackles coming out this year, depending on what we get, or who we get -- it might be an indicator that Foster has not been performing up to par. Let's see if those in charge of the team believe that he's not doing well. If he sucked ass, you'd think Meadows would be in by now, right? Or at least active.

Yeah. . . Foster sure sucks!


Did you re watch the first few games and break them down like Cosmo did?

As i said in my first post here, obviously whoever behind is worse, but Foster looks awful when he blocks. For such a big guy, he looks wimpy.

[Kaylore]

Did you re watch the first few games and break them down like Cosmo did?

As i said in my first post here, obviously whoever behind is worse, but Foster looks awful when he blocks. For such a big guy, he looks wimpy.

That's what's so funny about people that defend him is they won't go back and watch the tape and just see what we're talking about. They point to a stat sheet or say something about how if he sucked the backup would play. Nevermind the stat says he gave up sacks and, nevermind that maybe the guy behind him 1.) Hasn't played football in a few years and 2.) He might suck worse.

[Taco John]

That's what's so funny about people that defend him is they won't go back and watch the tape and just see what we're talking about. They point to a stat sheet or say something about how if he sucked the backup would play. Nevermind the stat says he gave up sacks and, nevermind that maybe the guy behind him 1.) Hasn't played football in a few years and 2.) He might suck worse.



Not true at all. I know Wabbit has gone back looking at Foster, in addition to myself. He's not the best O-lineman in the league, but he's not nearly as bad as he's made out to be here.

I've offered the bet to Gonzo, and he went off whimpering with his tail between his legs. Not only will Foster continue to start for the remainder of this year, but he'll be a starter on our opening day roster next year. I'll bet anyone $50 bucks that when the Broncos opening day roster comes out next year, you'll see George Foster as a starter.

[DBroncos4life]

I don't think an opinion is the truth, and if the Broncos Brass through he sucked balls, they would have already replaced him. Unfortunately, I am not going to get to see the Browns game, but I disagree with George Foster sucking ass. Whether or not he's lived up to expectations is one thing or another (because for one, Denver fans are some of the most spoiled people in all of sports and two, always have high expectations, extremely high for players, especially first-rounders).

George Foster isn't a Walter Jones, he is not an elite player. He's also not complete garbage. If people are going to b**** about his play, might want to look at some other people on the line either. People seem to never point out Matt Lepsis, but he hasn't played that well this year either. Most of our line hasn't. . . .

Foster can improve, but he's not "terrible" or "sucky" -- I think with a strong crop of offensive tackles coming out this year, depending on what we get, or who we get -- it might be an indicator that Foster has not been performing up to par. Let's see if those in charge of the team believe that he's not doing well. If he sucked ass, you'd think Meadows would be in by now, right? Or at least active.

Yeah. . . Foster sure sucks!

See you can say that most of our line has sucked this year, which maybe true but atleast at some point in their careers they played well enough to be starting in the NFL.

[Kaylore]

Not true at all. I know Wabbit has gone back looking at Foster, in addition to myself. He's not the best O-lineman in the league, but he's not nearly as bad as he's made out to be here.

I've offered the bet to Gonzo, and he went off whimpering with his tail between his legs. Not only will Foster continue to start for the remainder of this year, but he'll be a starter on our opening day roster next year. I'll bet anyone $50 bucks that when the Broncos opening day roster comes out next year, you'll see George Foster as a starter.

I'm tempted, but I've learned that you can't tell Shanahan. Guys that I felt were pretty much worthless would make the team (Charlie Adams, who by the way never did anything) and then guys who I thought showed promise would be cut n'er to be heard from again (Tyson Clabo). I'm definitely curious how this next draft will look. It took three years to rebuild our defense. I suspect that we spend the next three years on offense and I wouldn't be surprised to see us pick up a tackle.

[Natedogg]

All of these "Foster sucks!" threads (which I more or less agree with) have an eirie resemblence to the "Lepis is trash!" theads of a couple years ago. For the record, I thought Lepis sucked and have been proven wrong.

[Taco John]

I'm tempted, but I've learned that you can't tell Shanahan. Guys that I felt were pretty much worthless would make the team (Charlie Adams, who by the way never did anything) and then guys who I thought showed promise would be cut n'er to be heard from again (Tyson Clabo). I'm definitely curious how this next draft will look. It took three years to rebuild our defense. I suspect that we spend the next three years on offense and I wouldn't be surprised to see us pick up a tackle.


We just signed Matt Lepsis to a 4 year contract this year. Foster has two more years on his contract. If he's truly as bad as you say he is, the coaches have absolutely nothing to lose by cutting him loose this offseason.


If you're going to take it, take it. I'm not going to let you wait until the draft and decide then.

[Kaylore]

We just signed Matt Lepsis to a 4 year contract this year. Foster has two more years on his contract. If he's truly as bad as you say he is, the coaches have absolutely nothing to lose by cutting him loose this offseason.


If you're going to take it, take it. I'm not going to let you wait until the draft and decide then.

I don't gamble, well at least not with money. Sorry. If you still want something for your hubris, though, I probably wouldn't take it even if it even if I did. I think he'll stay on the team but I wouldn't be surprised to see us upgrade the position.

[Taco John]

I've already got an ointment I rub on my hubris when those suckers start flaring up. I'm pretty sure there's nothing you can do for them, but thanks for the offer anyway.

[Natedogg]

TJ,

Zach's suit is real pimp. I could use one of those in fullsize. :wiggle: